Running Water Podcast with Jordan Budd
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Guiding, Mindsets and Coyotes with Cole Trichell
Professional hunting guide Cole Trichell joins Lea and Jordan today. They dive into how the season has been going so far with clients, how the wheels fell off the bus on a night coyote hunt, dealing with client mindsets and some gear we love.
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We're back here with another app. We have Leah's on with us again, and then we have Cole. Cole. Trichelle is on with us, cole is. I employ him as a guide for that fit. So this is our third year, isn't it Together? Yeah, third fall we're like halfway through now and, yeah, we were talking a little bit before this thing started. You're like 10 months so far this year, 10 months.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Guiding hunting.
Speaker 1:Give or take, and even like when we have time off, like through Thanksgiving. Whatever you still go hunt, it's the funsies. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5:No, I was just going to say that he's doing the classic guide life like bouncing around. You were with us last year and then, in between that and like the summer, you went to New Zealand, right.
Speaker 1:Before we get started, I should probably let people know that we're rolling on video right now, but as things go, most of the time in my life, the batteries are almost dead, so probably halfway through it's going to just go to not black video, but I'm going to keep. I'll just like roll some clips and whatever, or it might. They might stay on the whole time, I have really no idea, but the audio will definitely go the whole time. Anyways, yeah, so 10 months. We're halfway through our guiding season. Now it's the first week in December, it's December 3rd, so our muzzler season just started on the first and we had Steve with us, which was funsies, as always.
Speaker 1:A little bit of redemption hunt yeah, they're here. Two was it two? Yeah, two seasons ago because it was your first season Clay shot a buck. We just could not get Steve a buck. That was like a weird year. That was a weird week and I still don't know. I still don't understand why, like all the corn was still in, it was really windy. But yeah, I kind of forgot about that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was hot. He could have shot a buck, but not the age.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then, yeah, december 1st he rolls in. We did a giveaway with them because when our episode came out, they wanted to do like a Black Friday giveaway kind of a deal with it, where like went a hunt with me and Steve, so we had a guy that won it and he came, ended up missing a buck on the first day and then unfortunately went home sick, which I feel bad for him. So that happened, but Steve and I found a buck to shoot the first day. So, yeah, worked out great. Yeah.
Speaker 5:You want to do?
Speaker 1:you want to like go a little more into like the story of your guys at stock and like seeing it, stocking it, you know not big on story details, but we just we'd been seeing we've had a really good year this year for more mature deer, I would say even better than I thought it was going to be, because we had kind of a rough winter. I thought it was going to suck. Well, I thought it was going to be tougher than it seems to have been. Our quality seems to be really good and maybe that's cause we've been trying to hammer that the last couple of years is like yeah, try to let younger deer walk, but anyways, Um, yeah.
Speaker 1:So there's kind of a spot. We call it the green gate spot cause the gates green. All the gates are green, but that one is the green gate.
Speaker 1:So we were up by there. We'd been seeing some nice bucks the first morning we get up there. We had a buck. I could tell on my spotting scope like there's a little all the corners picked now and there's a little bit of snow like laying against that picked corn and it just like leaves a really good backdrop to see antler outlines. And so I could see there was three deer out there in the corner. They started walking into the corn and I just saw a long main beam laying out and I was like man, I think that's pretty good buck. Well then I had said, hey, steve, I think this is good buck, and I flipped my scope over so he could see it.
Speaker 1:And then I looked in my binoculars and in that time deer had moved around and there was a buck that was headed out that had a big body and I was like, oh shit, I think we should go now. And so we grabbed our stuff. The deer I could see like was. He came out and I thought he was going to go down into some canyons and we'd be able to kind of get around in front of him. And we did that and he ended up. He kind of slipped by us and went onto the neighboring place. So then we go back up to our spotting scope and both of us are just like we're glossing around looking at different deer. And there's still these two other deer in the corn field and I saw the buck with his head down and he was just kind of he was eating, but I didn't think that his he looked like anything real special. And Steve said the same thing. He's like I just kind of was looking past that deer, like just looking beyond him, like he didn't look like anything great. And I turned the scope back to look at him one time and he had his head up and I was like Holy shit, that's kind of a big buck and like a mid 140s, like right in there, a good buck. And I said I think I asked him what he thought and he's like he looks like a really good deer to me. Is it stupid not to shoot him on the opening day? And I said I think we'd be stupid not to shoot that buck. And he said, well, let's go then.
Speaker 1:So by the time we got over to where we could get a shot, he had turned and just kind of fed out a range at like 700 yards and then he just kind of was gone and he went on to the neighbors too. So I was like, well, that evening we should just go sit the same spot and just see if they'll come back. And so we're, we get there like a couple hours before dark, glassing around, not really seeing much, and I turn and look over kind of it's impossible to explain, but probably half a mile, at least three quarters of a mile, like it was a ways kind of on top of this hill I see there's a deer and he has his head down feeding and I was like, oh, that's a buck. And right about then he lifts his head and I was like Holy shit, that's a big buck.
Speaker 1:And I turned the scope so Steve could see it and he's like, oh yeah, and he actually was going to come really close to where you and the hunt winner were and you guys had seen him too, cause you were like working along the tops and he started going down this big canyon and I was like I think they're going to be able to see him, like you guys are going to cross paths with him, but just in case he slips by him, I think I know where he's going to come out at. It's just like haul ass down there and try to play back up. So we did Um and he came out pretty much right where I thought he was going to, and in that time it was maybe. It maybe took us 10 minutes to get down there, like not long.
Speaker 5:He was just walking at a really good clip.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he was at the ball. I mean, he had covered a thousand yards by the time he got down there.
Speaker 5:Yeah, cause you guys just barely missed him.
Speaker 4:We like.
Speaker 5:I mean he had to yeah he had to adjust.
Speaker 1:I mean, you barely had to miss each other. Yeah, ships in the night, yeah.
Speaker 5:He must just barely been on the other side of the roll, or something.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and then we were like looking at some older deer way off and boom, and I'm like holy shit, and I, me and the hunt where Richard both swore it was in front of us, which is completely opposite of where they actually shot from. And I was like about to text Jordan Like sounds like somebody's right on the neighbors or something but yeah.
Speaker 1:It was just us, Just a weird. I don't know how they sound circle back.
Speaker 4:But yeah, it scared me.
Speaker 1:We were, we. We kind of we got set up in that buck, started working a scrape, which is kind of cool, and it gave us a few extra moments to set up, which is nice. It was like 136 or 138 yards or something like that. I was like dial 1.5 and then he shot and that was it and that thing, uh, there's been a couple of questions. People like ask when you were shooting, um, he shot my muzzle loader during this deal. It's a arrowhead, it's a custom muzzle loader from arrowhead rifles. Um, and he shooting they make a 300 grain bullet. He was shooting that thing and it like there's a hole the size of a silver dollar in the entrance and the exit. There's one little exit hole that's kind of even off from where the entrance was, and I think that that was just fragmentation. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like that bullet just like blew up in there, in, there inside, and you didn't hit shoulder bone or anything like that. No, it was right behind the shoulder, like perfectly where you'd want to put it. I mean it probably broke a couple of, it broke a rib, but it didn't hit anything real, real hard.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but like great expansion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was awesome. So yeah, that's the story of Steve's buck. Yeah, total redemption from last time made me so nervous. Well, it made all of us nervous last time. They're here.
Speaker 5:It's like you know, none of us thought that he was going to not get a buck on the last time.
Speaker 1:No, I mean for the most part. Uh, it's a pretty sure thing for rifle season. I mean, we've never. I literally think still to this day, steve's the only guy who's ever gone home without a rifle deer. Yeah, and uh, yeah it was. It was crazy. You know, looking, I was looking back on it maybe that was the best thing that ever could happen, because that went to to TV and maybe people that were thinking about booking with us you know they booked knowing that Steve didn't shoot a deer. So I think maybe that helped us in a way.
Speaker 5:But yeah, like set all those people's expectations Like they're not going to come in and shoot like a 170 buck.
Speaker 1:Or they might. They might go home without a buck and they were still okay with it, which I think is huge for expectations.
Speaker 5:Well it I mean, ultimately it is hunting and sometimes people feel like when they're paying money, that you should have a a buck's like staked out for them somewhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I mean, I feel like if you're paying money to go somewhere, especially if it's like with the fully guided spot there's, there are some expectations there that, like you're going to get a pretty damn good chance.
Speaker 1:And I think that that's what we always have talked about, for, you know, expectations for ourselves is like it's up to us to put them within range of something that they want to shoot or whatever. And even like with archery equipment, I've always thought if we can get them within, if we can get a nice deer within range, something that they want to shoot, something that we've, you know, is like a nice deer, you know.
Speaker 4:Good representation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, good representation. And then if you're in range or whatever and you don't get a shot because of whatever, then that's just part of hunting. But I feel like if we can do that, like once, like we, I feel that we fulfilled kind of our side of our side of the deal. Yeah, and sometimes it just doesn't work out, but yeah.
Speaker 5:No, it's good, it was fun to have him back. So, just like such a nice guy, um like pleasure to talk. Talk to everything Like him and your dad can sit around and talk about Buffalo for like five hours and, yeah, it was a great time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, super fun. Um so back to Cole. You originally from Louisiana we know how old were you when you went to Colorado? Nine, nine, yeah, yeah. And your dad because of the hunting move there, yeah, right.
Speaker 4:He would go every year. I think it was like first rifle. He would go to Colorado and uh down like Pagosa Springs, and we would hunt. Like I never hunted cause I was too young and uh, but like the whole family would come up and uh, he would hunt for a week and before we went up he used to do like bring horses and like him and his buddy would do I don't think they like packed in, but they like could ride out of camp every day and uh, yeah, they would hunt every year.
Speaker 4:And he just kind of fell in love with Colorado and moved us up, not near Pagosa, but um, yeah, it was actually funny. Like we moved to Colorado in 2009 and I don't think we hunted there, like around Pagosa, until like 2017 or something like we just like we would go back and visit every every once in a while, but yeah, so, uh, yeah, but before that, I mean, I was hunting like as literally as long as I could remember, like I was shooting Tweety birds with a BB gun with my sister like every day. Um, but yeah, I shot my first deer at six years old, which is legal in Louisiana. Um, so, yeah, but yeah, it was all to him.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's awesome. And your dad still is hunting like crazy. He shot a nice buck this year too.
Speaker 4:Mm, hmm, yep, a bunch of kickers eight by eight.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Super sweet buck, yeah Um. What got you into guiding then?
Speaker 4:So when I graduated high school, um, my plan was to go to college, get my business degree and do like, maybe like open a fab shop, like a welding fabrication shop. And I was just like immediately hating college. And uh, so I was like, well, I'll just work at a fab shop. So I started working at this fab shop and just like immediately quit going to school, just like mid semester.
Speaker 4:Like I did one semester and I think I passed like half those first classes. But yeah, so that second semester I was just done and I started as a painter and just kind of worked my way up to like welding like handrails and staircases and call everything, and I did that for like a year and a half, two years and I think I was pretty good at it. But I just saw myself being there for like the next 20, 30 years so I was like it scared me and I was like, and I don't know guiding's, just like, well, what can I do that I'm passionate about?
Speaker 5:and it's like, oh, you can be a hunting guide and do it for a living Were you ever nervous that you were gonna like love hunting and become a hunting guide and like making your hobby a job like end up like hating hunting?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, especially that. Well, the first outfiter I worked for, like he kind of reinforced that for me because he hates hunting, like he doesn't hate it but he's just like could care less about it, like we just he was all about the horses and that was his thing and the hunting side was just like something he kind of had to do to pay the bills, but so it was like a little worried about that.
Speaker 4:But I don't know, I kind of found my niche a little bit now and yeah, I mean, I don't know, probably won't be forever, but yeah, unless you find some land and start your own outfit. Yeah, get a lease somewhere, maybe, maybe but, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, even it's kind of funny before Steve left he was like what are you guys gonna do the next few days? Because he got to get out of there early and I was like I don't know, probably paint some walls, because we're working on a house, and probably go look for some deer. And he's like, well, you guys don't have any people, do you? Like. Why are? You going looking for a deer? I was like, I just like it.
Speaker 5:It's just what we do in the morning. We just like it. Yeah, even this morning I was sleepy and Jordan was wide awake like before the sun came up, and she was like I'm gonna go for a drive you, you're good you sleep in. And she got up and just like made a lap around glass, some deer, and just like see what's going on, just keeping a tally. Sure, of course it's. Sunday the locals, you know. I'm just making sure everyone knows we're around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So, gosh, do you guide for, you're guiding for us, and then you're gonna do some odd dad stuff, right?
Speaker 4:Yeah, after we're down here. Yeah, I think I might well. I did audit last year in West Texas and then I think I might should be guiding for Scotty at top of Texas this year. And yeah, I'm doing so, I do well. This year I did started in the Eastern. No, I said I guess I started as audit in January. Yeah, and then so I did January, february, march, halfway through March, went to New Zealand. March, april, may, june, new Zealand, came back, didn't guide for July and then started in Eastern Colorado in August, did a bunch of archery antelope August, september and then rolled into deer and Eastern Colorado, do that through October and then here, then December we're done and Christmas thing and then back to back to Texas, back to Texas.
Speaker 5:So right after we go on an Arizona Archery hunt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, the trio of us yeah, we're gonna do the archery only OTC Arizona hunt, which is gonna be cool, art it's just. Are you gonna try to shoot a coo's deer? No, no, just mule deer, coo's deer suck if you have to choose, though.
Speaker 5:I mean, if a coo's deer standing right next to mule deer, what are you gonna?
Speaker 4:shoot, I'm shooting meal. Dude, I'm shooting meal. I knew that was gonna be the end, but all the Arizona guys you talked to there's like oh, there's stupid desert donkeys, and it's like bigger we've shot whites.
Speaker 1:I mean we've hunted white tail.
Speaker 3:Coo's deer is white tail yeah, I can just go to white tail forever.
Speaker 4:I just go to public land and she 100 inch white tail coo's deer, call it a coo's deer. Yeah, that's gonna be fun these two have tags.
Speaker 5:I opted out of the tag purchase and thought, man, that's a lot of deer to be trying to shoot and your dad's going to right, and so I was like we don't need to be trying to shoot for deer down there and I have just as much fun, I think, spotting then.
Speaker 1:I really do I really enjoy. This is really what happened. It was time to buy the tag and Leah's at the thing about ready to push we've got coal on speakerphone. Yeah, we have coal on speakerphone and I go how many deer did you see last year? Like, do you see a lot of bucks? He's like how many deers you see?
Speaker 4:six no, I saw 56, but over six days oh, I thought you said six oh, I totally, I was like we see you.
Speaker 5:I maybe did you just say six nice bucks though no, I saw like two nice bucks maybe.
Speaker 5:Okay, yeah, I was like literally typing in my information in the Arizona game of fish and like they were like counting down. Like every time we looked at the screen it was like there's like 80 tags left. And then it was like there's 60 tags left and every. I was like I was like trying to input my crap in as fast as I could and there's like 19 tags left. And all of a sudden I hear Cole be like yeah, I only sell like six nice, six decent bucks and I was like whoa, wait, wait, wait we're gonna walk down there with four tags, and there's only potentially six to ten nice deer that we're gonna see and I was like
Speaker 4:no, we don't need that many tags glass until I had headaches every day for six straight days and I saw two deer and like it wasn't like I was seeing, like oh, this looks like 150, but that's like a 140, but it was like nothing of any size and then I was like giant really yeah yeah, like a 230 buck. Oh, I don't think 230, but 215 he was definitely 230.
Speaker 3:Well, you didn't tell me that I would have got a tag.
Speaker 5:I did not hear any talk of it over 200 year Good.
Speaker 4:I'll show you a picture.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I definitely want to see that picture.
Speaker 1:I have a. We've been. We talked about a little bit. I got my bow stolen in Colorado, so that's awesome. So I got a new bow and Cole helped me set it up and we paper tuned it. I haven't sided it in yet.
Speaker 1:It's the same as your old bow, though like oh yeah, yeah, I know I'm not worried about it, but I've got that dialed site. So I was shooting a black gold, the SNS archery, backcountry Freakin, whatever, I don't know. It's just it was five pins With a slider. I'm used to sighting that kind of thing in like the pins will move so I can get that set. I know how to do the slider. And when I got the new bow I was like I did I look this sites good, got the 380, $400. I mean for a site. And I was just like, dude, all I have this dialed site that they had sent Yanni and I and I haven't used it yet. So I was like why don't I just put that on? Because I already have it and it has me stressed out a little bit because you can't move the pins.
Speaker 1:So I'm like I Mean are they just set what they are, and you're just like you shoot it and figure out that your second pin is 35 or something.
Speaker 4:We'll figure it out. We're gonna figure it out. I think it'll. It's probably like way more simple than we're like Making it out to be, but I've never used it. It looks cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, looks cool. The idea is kind of interesting. Like the, you know, on a normal site your Gears for your adjustments straight up and down. This one's like tilted and apparently the idea for that is you get more travel up and down so you can shoot further distance without your sight housing being To like smack your fletchings yeah, we're hit your arrow, or whatever.
Speaker 5:So I had a guy you have that here Is.
Speaker 1:It in the house, the bow. Yeah, yeah, cole, help me set it up.
Speaker 5:Yeah I don't know her house, oh, but it's down there as I didn't know if we just want to grab it and, like, show what you're talking about, gotcha.
Speaker 4:I had a guy shoot his sight housing this year. It blew up right D rail is bow. It didn't blow up, but oh, we were able to just run to Bass Pro and Throw the strings and cables back on and it was good. Just no bubble Shot through the bubble. I mean it was best, worst case, such a situation.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, I can't believe that arrow didn't blow up and go through his hand, or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I should have known better, but Is that the only major mishap you had this year?
Speaker 4:Hmm, that's the only one I can think of Top of my head. Yeah, nobody's shown up with like the wrong tire, or nothing.
Speaker 1:No. It's been pretty good smooth. I feel like it's all those PDF files I send.
Speaker 5:Yeah, knock on wood, it was six more to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anything can happen. Yes, six more to go. Yeah, he'll be good. God, what else freaking Gear stuff that we use? Oh, maybe we should talk real quick. I want to talk about this thing. So I always thought that these were stupid, and then I was around. I don't even know why, how I got the idea that I was like oh, oh, we've had to shoot a lot sitting this year. I feel like the grass.
Speaker 1:It was a big spring of Wetspring and so the grass got really high, so regular bipods are somewhat worthless currently so yeah, there's just been multiple times where it's like God's trying, trying to just get set up for shot and so I was like I need to go get a set of. Somebody had a set Maybe it's just yours and I was messing with it and I was like, damn, these are actually kind of nice described to the people that aren't on video.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, You're talking about it's a primos trigger stick, the gen three, the tripod version. Yeah, so this one's a tripod version. I also bought a bipod version because I think that they'll be good for coyote hunting.
Speaker 4:Have you seen where it locks in? No so say you want to go out. Like you got to go. I didn't know, they swung out like that you can twist this and Then you can get really low. Pretend the tables right here. Yeah. But I mean, you can only go to a certain degree. Then these start sliding out.
Speaker 1:But so I was literally about to bitch about that. They're pretty sweet.
Speaker 5:And then this this one doesn't have, because when we were coyote hunting you were talking about how the bipod kind of Old, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 5:I wish I should have brought the bipod in with us too, because right here the bipod it kind of tilt back and forth and I wish and maybe you can we just kind of figure it out in the moment that you could lock that. So I want it tilt because, like you want to be able to twist this, but when we were coyote hunting, something like all of a sudden you know the weight of your gun or something, would kind of make it tilt yeah and it would kind of wanted it to be able to lock. But this thing is pretty sweet, like. Easy little setup.
Speaker 5:They see one trigger to just like adjust, boom like angles different like Boom done. Yeah, like I need that angle change, boom done, like it's just super quick, especially for guiding when you want to like give your client the best like option for a good shot, you know. And it goes pretty tall too, I don't know they make different sizes.
Speaker 1:We got the shorter one. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 5:There was another one that had enough length that you could really stand up on it, but we hardly ever, ever do. We need a full stand-up shot.
Speaker 4:Yeah, let's say you're like laying down, and then you can just kind of no, they're yeah, they're good for like. Yeah, I don't know mother loader. They're actually really good. Yeah cuz you. Yeah, like Need to cut something off bedded buck, whatever you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah they're quick. So that's the situation we got in the other day with Steve is like the hill was like oh so ever, like kind of gradually rolling, so we needed to use that. But we were kind of on a side hill and so when he had it just out, normal, it was like kind of tippy, it wanted to tip over and he's like dude, grab this leg and stabilize it. So I was just grabbing it and, like you know, like Pushing in the ground basically, and he said it made it. It was like stable as rock.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But that was gonna be my complaint, as I was like, if you were by yourself, that would have sucked, but you can just tilt, like if you could have tilted that leg up, then you, I mean, that would have fixed it. Yeah cuz you would have lengthened your other two legs and tilted the other one out and leveled her up a little bit.
Speaker 5:Right but, now you know, you can so nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would have never figured how much.
Speaker 5:How much was that thing?
Speaker 1:They're expensive, like $80. Yeah, they're both. Ah, the bipod, I think might have been like 90 or something and that thing was like 118.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this is the shorter version of what I have. Mine is 160, but yeah, they seem expensive. But they're not gimmicky like.
Speaker 5:They're not like cheap, no it seems like it's a pretty solid material and like if this is what you're doing, like it's we have an outfit like, like it's a well worth the money obviously for us and like you as a guide, like it's well worth the money to be able to be like here, like as a for your client, like to give them like a solid rest, like it's all about Like all that work that you put forth, like making a good shot ultimately at the end of all that work, and so it's like if you can have a hundred dollar piece of equipment that makes that shot 10 times easier to make, like it's worth it yeah, I'm, I've never brought one like on a personal hunt, but that's something you might want to talk about is like those like little six inch Bipods to me are just paper.
Speaker 4:Where it's just personally, I just think that's paper weight because, like and I've had arguments with people but like, so rare Is there a situation where you can get on a rock or something like, yeah, if you're shooting across a canyon at something, but like, nine times out of ten you're gonna have grass or brush or whatever. Like, if you're gonna go prone, you probably need to be 12 inches off the ground and then, but also To shoot off your knees or off your butt. To have a bipod that can do that, like that's, that's key to me. Like I just use the what is that one that is on my gun, on that 300? You don't know, it's like the one.
Speaker 4:You can buy it like Walmart, oh like a Harris by yeah, yeah, yeah, but the I think it's an Athens maybe, where you can like grab the leg, pull it out, and then there's a bunch of notches.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's, that's the one that I have. That's a, an Alice.
Speaker 4:Alice, yeah, that's, that's my favorite one. Yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 1:I've been, I've been running and it works really good.
Speaker 5:I ran into a situation last year when we were in Montana when I was laying prone, I found a spot that I could see I was shooting across a little draw and the buck was bedded down, but I still like, didn't have enough height even with my tripod or my bipod pulled all the way out and there, conveniently, was a nice little cow pie Next to me.
Speaker 5:I slid the cow pie over underneath my bipod and it gave me that like two inches that I needed to like get. So I was solid, but I thought that was pretty Classic. Good use of your surroundings, so good.
Speaker 1:Um, um, god dang. What else I want to get into after I want to get. I want to dive into a couple other things first, but towards the end here We'll dive into our just absolute tragedy of a coyote.
Speaker 5:You want to do that right now, right now.
Speaker 1:I wanted to do that at the end.
Speaker 5:Yeah, finish off with everyone laughing at our yeah. Yeah. Just stupidity, Just a train wreck.
Speaker 1:Um, but, uh, I want to talk about, let's see, we've gone through some clients. Everybody's been really good, um, but sometimes there's like miss, what you call it misconceptions or unrealistic expectations that we've seen in previous years. Um, and I want to talk about that a little bit. Just like total mindset, um, and here's what I tell. People is like, you know, everybody wants to hear Seriously people that write in, everybody wants to hear the horror stories from guiding and I don't know, we haven't. We haven't had anything. That's real bad. Um, I had a guy's side his bow, and wrong once was, oh, it was upside down, yeah. So basically here's his pins. He thought his bottom one was 20, so before he came out, where did you hear this?
Speaker 4:I think I've heard it vaguely about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4:Tell me again.
Speaker 1:So this guy comes out. He's Super, super nice, very, very funny. Like means he means the best. So he's coming out. Uh, he had come out the year before with another guy. That guy bailed the next year. So he's like screwed him and come out myself. So before his he goes to shoot, he shoots one shot, misses the target, shoots through like a wooden fence, goes through his trash can and sticks in the neighbor's fence. And so he just hung it up and said I'm going to the bow shop with this thing. So he goes to the bow shop and he said they helped him side it back in. I was like all right.
Speaker 1:So he shoots a couple times at 20 and I'm like all right, like looks good, let's go sit in the stand, and he like that first night he missed, or that first, yeah, the first evening he missed. And he's like man, I just I missed under him and I was like, well, how far was it? He's like it was 30 yards and I was like, okay, what do you? Do you feel anything about it? And he's like no, I just I think I rushed my shot and yeah, yeah. So I was like all right, so I go sit. I'm at the next morning, I pick him up and as I'm walking up to him, he goes if these are your pins, which one would be your 20? And I said your top one? And he goes oh shit.
Speaker 1:So what had happened was the deer came out at like 35. He like his muscle memory took over and he knew that his second pin was 30. So he goes to use his second pin and shoots feet in front of the I mean five feet in front of the deer probably. So I was like, oh boy, so we got him fixed up. We just moved the whole entire site back down and got him fixed up. But that's really.
Speaker 4:Did he ever get a deer?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did. This is another.
Speaker 4:Wait, did he have? Did he missed two? Yeah. And then he got one.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, and the recovery on his was fantastic. He made a great shot. The deer didn't go very far. But here's something too Like if you're in the stand and you shoot a deer, it doesn't matter if you're with an outfitter by yourself. Make like really good mental marks of like where he was standing, exactly which direction he went. Like don't completely lose your marbles, just like you know shoot.
Speaker 5:You're going to sit up there for like 30 minutes, so just think about it like where were?
Speaker 1:to go Like pay attention to him and watch exactly where he goes, like listen, don't be all crazy. And I don't think he was all crazy or whatever. He was jacked. So I go pick him up and I start looking around for blood and I was like so which way again Did he? Did he go? And he's like my best guess is he he's somewhere in between here and here.
Speaker 5:Like Jordan's open Jordan has her hands at like 180 degrees right now for the podcast.
Speaker 1:In my opinion he's somewhere between here and here and I was like, okay, that narrows it down. But we found him. He didn't go very far, but oh man, so funny.
Speaker 5:And like on that same train is like, especially if you're guided and like you know your guide's going to come and want to like go and find the deer with you, et cetera. Like take some time to sit in the tree and hang out or whatever, but like don't get down and start wandering around, walking around, looking through all the blood and stuff like that. Because then by the time like especially if it's like snowy or something like by the time your guide gets there and goes to look for the snow, there's 4,000 tracks everywhere and you're trying to decipher like the boot tracks versus the deer tracks. Like maybe already stepped on some blood and like it just like starts messing everything up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like the fact of the matter is too, like, if you're going with an outfit, like we want people to stay in their stands and have us come help them track, because, like we know this place better than anybody, like I know this place anyway like the back of my hand, and I know where the deer like to go, I know where their funnels like to be, like, I know what they typically tend to do and cold as to, and so we might pick up on something, especially if they're not bleeding very much. Like we might pick up on something that well, you wouldn't hear they normally.
Speaker 5:they're going to go down, they're going to dive by this tree is. It is a path that they like to take, yeah.
Speaker 1:And sometimes you know like people get really excited and they get down and they're just kind of like a little turned around anyway, because they don't really know where they are. Like we walked them in the dark and then, they just yeah. You can just yeah. So I was singing about the other day when that me eater video um, let me shoot in the caribou came out. Everybody was like such a stone cold, like no emotion killer or whatever. That's true.
Speaker 1:Oh it's true, but also I think the reason I do that is because, like, I've been in situations where I didn't pay attention to what the hell was excited before and scream yourself.
Speaker 5:Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly what you have to say, like calm, cool and collected until everything is 100%.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got too pumped and was just like things fell apart, and so I think that that's the way I am now and like guiding to, we kind of have to be, we have to be like that, like we get excited. I was freaking pumped when Steve started that deer, but as soon as he shot it and I knew he hit it, I just watched him in my binoculars forever and like even after he was dead, I just watched him and Steve said the same things.
Speaker 1:He was like uh, keep your eyeballs on him, like I'm going to go back and get my pack, and he's like don't take your eyes off him. And like I know not to do that, but you know he was telling me that, cause he's like it's how it happened.
Speaker 5:I screwed myself before like do not take your eyes off that deer. It happens so many times. You always see people in these videos and stuff that like they shoot the deer. The deer's still like running or kicking or doing something and they're already celebrating. Oh, like turning around, not even looking at it. They're turning their high fives in their buddies and stuff and you're like dude, like that thing is getting up and running away right now and it's literally that happened.
Speaker 1:That was a video. Somebody did a video on that and they shot it.
Speaker 4:I know exactly You're talking about.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and you can like see it behind him. Get up and he's like looking at his buddies.
Speaker 1:Yes, he's like they're celebrating. Literally you can see on camera that bowl gets up and runs off. Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, especially bowls. Holy crap, like those guys are huge they're. They're super tough, like you got to just just watch them, shoot them and just pay attention and like more than likely it's going to take more than one shot.
Speaker 4:My dad lost them in 90s book like that. Like shot it with a seven mag, like off fence post, Like watched it for a second Sweet Like started like collecting his stuff or whatever. I don't remember what he was doing, but like he took his eyes off of it and then like just walked up there like to go get it. He might even went to get the truck or something and it was not there. But he has pictures of the deer is like holy cow and never found it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh just like blood. I think it's like no man's land.
Speaker 5:and then, just like the shock of the bullet, just dropped it and just but yeah, dude that sucks Heart breaking, yeah, but yeah, that's my like random little like rant is like I see, I see people do that too much yeah. Like even archery hunting, like they shoot it and they turn to their buddy and they're like I nailed it Like whoa and it's like pay attention. Like, look and watch exactly where that thing's going.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, yeah, do it all the time, yeah.
Speaker 1:Do it all the time actually. Yeah, so before I got away, squirreled, but that was a fun squirrel. Yeah. Old nest to go down. What is it called? Squirrel rabbit, rabbit, squirrel rabbit hole, rabbit hole.
Speaker 4:Are you a golden?
Speaker 5:retriever Squirrel yeah there are squirrel nest though.
Speaker 4:Yeah, just so you know Good.
Speaker 1:Yeah so oh God dang. Oh yeah Mentalities. I've talked about it.
Speaker 1:Expectations yeah I think setting realistic expectations and realizing that it's going to be hard, even on private it can still just be hard, like they're still freaking dear, like it's not, like they're just, like it's not a hyphens yeah, no, not at all. So yeah, I think like realistic expectations going in and I think one of the things I see the most I feel like I see it happening more is like folks who may not hunt as much, when they book a hunt and come out If they've been waiting for this for a year and a half two years, like this specific hunt, you can definitely there's some fizzling that happens that first day and a little bit of like panic in them when maybe they haven't shot a deer yet, even though they've seen they've seen a lot, or or if they mess up one opportunity, they think that's it.
Speaker 5:Like you know, it's just like that tenacity of like staying, like sticking with it. You know like people, just they get, they like almost give up after like one day if they've messed it up.
Speaker 1:We've Cole, and I have had to tell people before like, hey man, we get up every day and think today is as good a day as any to like get on a buck, like it's. There's never like a day that I wake up that I'm just like God, probably not going to get them one today. I don't know that just never crosses my mind.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:It is every day is just like a new adventure, Like what are we going to see today? Like you just never know Like. I mean, I'm sure every every place is different, but I do the same thing even in Idaho, like I'm always just like I. I'm weird, maybe not, I don't know, maybe other people are like this, but I have so much fun glassing Like I could sit in glass for days and I love it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and so I like every day that we get to get to go and go glass, I'm like what am I going to see today? You know it's never. I've never been like, oh crap, like it's over, I'm not going to see anything.
Speaker 4:Like I think it's harder. Sorry, I think it's harder on a place you've never gone before and you're like, well, pretty much seeing everything in this spot. Dude, and then like we're here and we know like, okay, I think you know, we saw everything. And then like, literally like 10 bowls come out of this one little section of trees and it's like dude, I could have swore there wouldn't be a single deer in there.
Speaker 5:Yeah, let alone 10 giant bull.
Speaker 4:And then we just know that, like what, like just different days are just so wildly different. Like you know, you may not see deer here this morning, so you could like like me personally, if I'm going to a different spot than I've ever been to, I'm, like you know, I gave this day like a full, solid day of like hunting and I haven't seen anything and I'm like okay, I'm gonna move on, which is smart. But like we know that, like okay, today there wasn't any deer here, you know there definitely could be tomorrow. Yeah.
Speaker 5:Well, and like we have, like our set, little kind of like glassy knobs and stuff like that that we go to almost every single time all season long and we see different deer all season long, Steve's book he just moved in yeah, like we literally got that book on camera like four days or something like that, before Steve got here. We're like well, that's a new book.
Speaker 5:And like every deer, like there's a couple of resident deers, there's a couple of resident deer that like we see consistently and stuff, but like even the ones that we know are residents and we're like up on those glassy knobs, we might see a different one every day, like we're not going to see the same one every day, Like we'll see you know one out of the four, or here or there or whatever, and then new ones are moving in, other ones are moving out, like you just never know. And so it's like you just stay consistent, stay glassy, like something new will walk in front of you eventually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so too. And just aside from here, just like in Western hunting, you know more Western, I guess, than what we are now here in Nebraska, which is basically all of the West is West of Nebraska.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you knew that solidly Midwestern city is like I think, just like be out there doing something. There's times where, you know, after we hunt for a few days or whatever and we feel tired, maybe we'll just take the truck and go run around and we'll glass out of that on some high points, Maybe run through some new country, like, just try to do something, Don't don't have have that mindset, have the mindset of like I maybe don't feel like walking up that mountain this morning, so I'm not going to go at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm just going to lay in bed. Be like, if I really don't, if you really aren't going to do that, don't lay in bed. Sorry, don't lay in bed Go. Do something else.
Speaker 5:Yeah, like ride around in your side by side Go, go check out new country, go, you know, but like and then do something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do something to help you. And then maybe you know after that morning you go, and then you go back up to where you know you had been before or whatever. But don't be like, well, if I was just seeing more deer I'd go back up there, or if I was just seeing more deer I would get out of bed this morning Like that's stupid.
Speaker 4:Yeah, worthless mindset.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. But if you're just like I've been hunting for five days, I don't feel like it this morning, dang, I don't feel like it this morning, then sleep in whatever and hit it hard this afternoon. But I'm just trying to get across like don't have this just total defeated mindset of like oh, poor me, I've fricking waited for a year to go on this hunt and I'm two days into it and I haven't got a bowl and or a buck.
Speaker 5:I'm just gonna give up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, poor me, I'm just gonna give up and go home. I'm like, don't be stupid.
Speaker 5:Just persistence. Just stay out there. You're not gonna shoot anything from your couch.
Speaker 1:And trust me, Leah has to tell me this every year. I have to push her and she has to push me.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I always have to push Cole.
Speaker 1:Whatever he's pushing both of us.
Speaker 5:No, I think that's another important thing is like, if you choose your hunting partner wisely, like you want to find someone that like, like picks you up on those days that you're doubting it. Like, don't find someone that's a pessimist, that like the second you're like I don't know, dude, they're like yeah, this sucks.
Speaker 3:Let's get out of here. You know like blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 5:And everyone's well. Jordan, no, I think we, we both obviously like go through stages where we're like, damn, we're not seeing much, blah, blah, blah, and it's just like having that other person, that's just like, well, let's just go over on this spot, like, let's, let's go over and check this area out. We haven't been there this year and just like changing it up but staying out there.
Speaker 1:It's interesting, cause people a lot of times always ask the question like they always ask Robbie this how do you know when to stay, like when to leave a spot and go to a new one, or when to stay, and they try to tackle the question all the time. But I think that's like a kind of a fine line that we're talking about too. Like you don't want to be ridiculous, like if you feel like you've put four super solid days into an area and you haven't seen anything, like it's probably not there if you've ever seen it in there to start with. So there's that. And then there's just like you know, oh, I've been, this is going to be harder than I thought and I'm just going to go home. I don't know it's hard, but I mean and those are tough hunts that we're talking about this is easy, this here we get a like super hot, awesome meal that Claire makes. Every night.
Speaker 1:You're in a house with fricking dish, tv watching football hot showers internet, hot showers, drinking some Coors light and like that's easy and people still fall apart. Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, You're not like in a tent freezing your ass off. Everything's wet. Yeah. Like all the things that are that can go bad. Go bad Like yeah.
Speaker 1:So like one thing that was kind of interesting this year that I experienced was like um, I had more fun, I had I hunted more in Idaho this year than I ever have. Um, I hunted harder. I like never went home really. I was staying in the camp for some of the time, but um, I never, I really never went home. I stayed out there the whole time and I literally did not care if I filled my tag or not, and just that mindset made it so much fun. I hunted way harder, the experience was way more awesome and I didn't shoot a deer and I'm okay with that.
Speaker 5:Yeah and and like, if you're only going to go out for one deer hunt a year and you need to fill a freezer, like your mindset's going to be different. Then, if you go out for multiple hunts a year, your freezer's full and you get to, like, relax and enjoy the hunt for what it is. Yeah, if you're just trying to go out and whack a deer so you can put food on the freezer and like, get to your kids' basketball game or something, you're going to have a different experience than than like, like you said this year, like we have plenty of meat in the freezer and you could just enjoy it for what it is yeah, we're so lucky for that.
Speaker 1:No, we're so lucky man.
Speaker 4:We are so lucky.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Like, yeah, I just could not care less to shoot a rag corn this year. Cause like I was, just like I don't want to pack it out. Like you know, I've shot rag horns. Yeah, I mean it would have been cool to shoot a good bull, but I was like cool, I'm happy.
Speaker 1:Like, if you don't, it's lost $50 on a tag and exactly yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean learn more about the unit. I always hunt, so and that's dude.
Speaker 5:that's totally a like good thing to say, because every year, like how many days you put in, this year I have no idea 20 plus or whatever on that deer hunt. You know more about that unit now than you did the year before, and then you can attack it yeah.
Speaker 5:A completely different way, even next year. Same thing with you, like, if you like, whatever tactics you were doing you know archery, elk hunting and stuff like no matter what, if you're out there and you're doing it, you're learning, like, and you're just going to be better the next year, whether you are successful or not. And that's it. That's a good thing More knowledge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Gosh anything else before we dive into the wheel off of us.
Speaker 5:No, yeah, let's talk about our like gear, like you can't live without. Yeah, things that we like use this week.
Speaker 1:Okay, you don't know about live without, but yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 4:Helps helped us this week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cole, would you like to?
Speaker 4:go first. Um, I've been thinking about that really hard. Um, the Steve brought like a his little skinning or his predator Geez Furbearer kit.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And uh, he had, you know, the tail stripper and the little knife like it's got a little hole in it. You put your finger in there and you can just run it down the tail and open the tail up. That way you can get borax in there and dry the tail out. And he had this little. It was a little piece of aluminum with two holes on either side, and then I think it had a. Was that a chain or?
Speaker 1:a chain Like a little chain. Okay.
Speaker 4:It was a little chain and it went up to that uh piece of aluminum and then went to a his or it went to a little carabiner carabiner which had like a little O ring or whatever it was, and then it had two chains coming down from that aluminum and they had a little um, a little ring on the end and then you could just feed the chain through and then like stick a leg through and it would like grab on.
Speaker 4:And yeah, we just like skinned both of his coyotes. Well, I think Leah shot one, he shot the other, but me and him skinned it out.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, we got three.
Speaker 4:Jordan shot one, uh, I missed.
Speaker 5:I feel like we all had a little bit of a missus. Yeah, we'll get to that.
Speaker 4:But uh, yeah, I mean that was we're yanking on it, but like I started a little after Steven, we finished pretty close at the same time, like it was not bad to do two at once, but that was handy.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was pretty handy and it didn't seem like it weighed that much.
Speaker 5:He brought it in a little like FHF bag, yeah, and cause he knew that. He knew that we were going to go coyote hunting if we got his deer and um, yeah. So he brought all this stuff just to have it ready and I was like I never skinned a coyote before. If I'm being perfectly honest, I've always shot a lot of coyotes but we've never been like fur getting people.
Speaker 5:I've always just taken mine whole to sell them and you and you still can. I actually looked up the like fur guy in town and it's not that much different, um, currently with the current prices, whole with, with the skin still on, um, compared to like like skin stretched, dried, all the et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, um, but yeah, so I'd never done that before, so I got to like sit there and just kind of watch you guys do it. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I last time I've skinned a coyote was probably 10 years ago, um, but Bob cats is pretty much the same thing Just to put them out for, to stretch them and uh everything. But no, it's good to good to do that again and I think Steve's going to send you a tan hide and that's going to be cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it'll be cool hanging up.
Speaker 4:He's making a blanket yeah.
Speaker 5:Yep, um, I think my gear thing was that we went on a night hunt. Let's see, you guys are very shortly going to hear about um and that Jordan has this. Uh, it's a wicked, wicked lights. Is it predator pursuit? You told me it was a wicked light. It is oh got you.
Speaker 5:It's from Wicked Lights, but um, it's a red light. Slash also a regular uh flashlight but it is white. It's white, red and green. Oh, you have green too Nice. So it is crazy bright for a regular white light and that's what you'd use last year around calving season when the coyotes are like literally surrounding the house.
Speaker 1:The max. I shot a coyote at 300 yards with it. That's probably the max.
Speaker 5:With the white light. Yeah, that was cool last year, um, and we had never really or I hadn't even ever used the red light version and Steve had this exact same light on, like a little like pistol grip handle. So when we went out, um, I was in charge of the light. Uh, and it was I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I thought it was great, like the, the coyotes just didn't seem like they really even cared. You could see their eyes really well, um and uh. So, yeah, I, literally I'm already like putting one on order. Jordan has hers, so that way you can stick it on a Picatinny rail on the side of the yeah, so yeah, that's what I use for, like during calving season.
Speaker 1:We had a lot of um coyote problems this year. So, yeah, that's what I was doing. I was. They would just kind of hang around the house.
Speaker 1:I would literally I would be in bed and in the middle of the night I would hear them howling and I would just like get my light and go outside and I would have just like a regular spotlight.
Speaker 1:And then that and uh, cause I didn't have, I didn't have a thermal yet and yeah, it worked good, I would just like go out and just like shine around where I thought they were going to be and I would see eyes and I would just shut the thing off and uh, then just try to get closer. And when I thought I was close enough, I would like get laid down, get everything kind of set, and then I would just, that has a remote switch that comes off the back of it and I have that Velcro to the side of my rifle and I would just like get it up to where I thought I was going to be, put my power all the way down, pop the light on um, find him, and then go power up and shoot him and they I mean even with the white light. That was all with the white light, and they didn't care.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it didn't seem to care. Um, and so, yeah, I like we had our little fun night hunt and I was like that was fun and there's obviously a ton of coyotes around here.
Speaker 4:So I think the three of us are going to go. Ham, I have a question. Do you have your collar here?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's in the truck, yeah.
Speaker 4:It's in the truck before I leave tonight. We should, uh, if you're open to it, just throw it out there in the pasture and see what comes across.
Speaker 5:We can sit right on the porch.
Speaker 4:Yeah, 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so real quick. The color we're using is a lucky duck revolt. It's pretty awesome Actually. It's got it's like gutter, it's got a remote. It goes like has this magnetic tripod that magnets into the bottom of it. You can set it out. It gets it a little higher off the ground, but then you can make it rotate, um, so you can like change a little bit of how the sound is getting thrown out there, which makes it just a little bit more realistic. And then in the handle there's like this little foxtail looking thing that pops out and magnets into the top, and then you have a settings on your remote that will make the decoy move or not. It gives them something to look at with the sound.
Speaker 1:It's a bad ass, little. Thing.
Speaker 5:It works good. I think we called in 10 coyotes.
Speaker 1:And how many of you guys? Three, all right.
Speaker 5:That leads us right into yeah, so we wanted.
Speaker 1:Uh, steve wanted to coyote hunt quite a bit, he loves that and so we went out. The first well, the first, I guess, midday you, him and I went out. Um, I shot a coyote with with that, and then that night we wanted to go out and all four of us went and we had, uh, steve had a thermal and AGM that ranged, which was, which was super nice. And then I had two sig thermals, one on my tread and then one that the other somebody else, I think. Cole had it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cole was just like scanning with it. Um, steve was shooting my cross and do we have a? We had my. There's a, there's a, there's a the other. Uh, we had another cross there, or did you have your shotgun?
Speaker 5:I had my shotgun and you had the black cross. No, you didn't have a gun. Okay, no, yeah, we'll get that first set, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:I did eventually, yeah, not to start.
Speaker 1:So we uh, yeah, so we sit down, we go up to just the spot we called the meadow we set up. It's completely dark. I have this light that at the time I completely forgot that I even had a red setting. Um, and then Steve had his. I was only on the red set, you didn't have this mounted to a?
Speaker 5:gun or anything. Cole was just in charge of it, or were you did you, that was me. Yeah, that was you Cause, no wonder.
Speaker 1:I had three things that I was in charge of.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I didn't know you had that oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So anyways we walk in, go, set the collar out, sit down, start calling. Pretty soon, steve goes. Jordan, there's a coyote coming in on your right. Look over, it's a raccoon comes in, and about that time I hear you guys say there's at least one coming in front of us, or something. It was a good while yeah.
Speaker 4:So like yeah, it was. One was coming and then a good while later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the one comes in, okay. So, first off, I did a classic thing I'm using an AR, I am trying to be quiet, I don't want to just like slam my bolt down, so I like try I get a shell in quietly and then my forward assist, I hit it and I thought that everything clicked in.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I was worried about that in the moment, but I watched you like pop it and I was like sweet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not so fast.
Speaker 4:I've done that before so many times, yeah.
Speaker 1:So the coyote comes in, steve's like he's 120. He's in 100. He's at 90. He's at he's like 60 yards and I waited for the thing to stop click and I was like oh shit.
Speaker 5:So I was all of us hear this click and we're all like oh no, that's where the wheels started coming off pretty fast.
Speaker 1:I went to just rack another one in. Well, since it didn't completely like, not, it cocked, but it since it didn't completely like, grab that shell and seat good, it didn't eject it. So then it just tried to slide another one in and then it was jammed up in the dark and I was just like I couldn't find the collar, I couldn't find my freaking light, like everything is just it's pitch black.
Speaker 5:There's no moon.
Speaker 1:And people are like Steve's, like what's going on? Shoot, shoot, shoot. I was just like dude, my gun is jammed.
Speaker 5:So we can't see the Jordan's having a situation pretty soon the red light comes on. Okay, so then that's when my my show started, because there was another one.
Speaker 1:There's another coyote with that one that came in behind Hang on.
Speaker 4:Okay, this is where you guys are getting the story wrong already, so you had them. No, so first the coyote comes in and you're getting on him and it was just like too far, too far, and like Steve gets on him with the red light.
Speaker 5:No, she clicked first. No, yeah, yeah, it was because it was at 60 yards. I mean, I'm sitting there in the dark. I have no.
Speaker 4:I think that whole story is correct. I just thought that the one came in first, right after the raccoon. Mm-hmm. Steve had him out there and like couldn't see.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that was after Jordan.
Speaker 1:How's after my click?
Speaker 5:Yeah, because her click and everything happened.
Speaker 5:And then he goes screw it, leah, red light, red light. And so I have his and he had like showed me, like you know, you click this, it turns on such as that, and then you can twist this and it turns up the intensity. And so he's like you just start, like with it up in the air, you turn it on, and then you bring it down and you like turn up the intensity and so, like I click it and it like the the like intensity is really low, and so I like you know, turn it up and I like, but I'm like I like bring it down. He's like what like turn it up, I'm like I did turn it up. He's like, no, turn it up, like it's not like really shining that well. And he's like, oh, you got a twist this and I didn't know you could like twist the front of it to like narrow down that being block turns into a little, yeah, little block, and so he's trying to help me with my shit show, trying to get the red light.
Speaker 5:Finally get it like shine it over. See two coyotes like standing like back-to-back like 50 yards apart, and then Steve's trying to pull up your regular cross, with no night like optics or anything, and yeah, you have your rifle set up for like long range shooting so as a really fine Crosshairs, and he was like couldn't see.
Speaker 4:Before that he gets, gets on it. How do you turn the safety?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I didn't want to like click my headlamp on, so I just got the thermal white. And I was like shined it on him, and meanwhile I'm the only one watching George's. Mess with a gun. Lee has messed with the light and I was the one on the third wall. Some like Like shined it on. He finds the safety, turns it off safety, and then I'm like back. Nobody can find the coyote and it goes like out of range.
Speaker 5:Yeah, because then he's like they get behind me. I'm like trying to scoop behind him, because he was like needed more light, like through the scope in order to get to that's when he couldn't see yeah, and so then I finally, I'm like like the coyote is right there.
Speaker 5:I'm like shoot it, shoot it, shoot it. And he's like I can't see, you know, he's like doing this business. It oh, it was, yeah, it was rough. And then all of a sudden, this giant flashlight is just One hand. I Was like in my head, I'm like super steady with the red light like shining on this coyote, and I was like cool, you are the worst flashlight person in the planet. There's like coyotes. Everywhere it's like everywhere I shine, there's Freakin eyeballs eyeballs.
Speaker 1:I got done with that first little, just miss it was to yeah, yeah, left.
Speaker 5:Mm-hmm, yeah, well, yeah, I never even saw the one that you miss, like the 61 was a 60 yards, never saw it.
Speaker 1:We've got to get our stuff together and About. Then somebody's like Calls like there's five or there's more coming. There's five out there.
Speaker 4:I was like what is that? And I look so shitloaded coyotes and Steve's like there's like five of them. Mm-hmm. And so they're coming in. Jordan's still fucking with it. So, she finally like they're coming in and I'm watching them. And then Jordan like Okay, I'm good, sweet, so. And then like I Don't remember what happened, but somehow we're not looking at the five that are coming in anymore. Yeah we go back one, steve's, like, there's this one, or maybe, maybe you found it. You found it in your scope.
Speaker 4:You didn't see the five probably because I thought I was pointing that yeah, and it's pitch black, it's pitch black, and then everybody's got this thermal in their eyes, so it's like You're blind.
Speaker 5:Oh, I was blind and I didn't have a thermal in my eyes.
Speaker 4:Trust me, there was like no see yeah so Jordan's like I, I'm on him, and then like somehow Steve gets on him and he's like okay, he's 120 because.
Speaker 5:I had the red light.
Speaker 4:It was one of the ones that we had already called in and we're coming back in. He's like alright, 120, 81, and then I was like kissing at him in the Jordan whistle.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm boom smacks it just. I just watched the thing in my thermal and I'm like it just dead and I'm like, all right, turn the big light on. Turn the big light on. Oh, oh, pause, go back five minutes. After that whole fiasco I asked Steve. I was like, um, hey, steve, are you gonna try to? Are you gonna try to shoot at these if they come in? Talking about the five, he's like man, the, the crawlsters are just too fine. I'm gonna have to have really good backlash.
Speaker 4:I'm like he's like, unless your eyesight is better, I was like, yeah, I'm gonna give it a shot and and I was like, yeah, so then, right after Jordan hammers that one, I'm like Turn the big light on. Turn the big light and get on the five, and I'm just gonna try like clean up on the five. Well, they're nowhere to be found. Yeah, Jordan the one that Jordan just sent to heaven is Back a lot pretty soon.
Speaker 5:Steve's like oh shit, that one's up and running and so he's swing back over to it and then proceed to just tab dance. Yeah, around it, both of you. I think we're shooting at that point.
Speaker 1:We're just like and.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it was gone, yeah it took off and was never seen again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we called in what seven, eight, something like that went home was zero.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I had it been seven.
Speaker 1:Haven't been back.
Speaker 5:You know, yeah, we need to go back, but I'm gonna wait until my red light shows up. I think that if we have two of the if you're like budgeting right, like instead of dropping $5,000 on Some sort of, you know, night vision situation, I feel like that's a thermal. Thanks for that. If we have, like you have. I actually get some like at like the Army Navy store or whatever, just like an old helmet. That'd be pretty sick.
Speaker 1:There's no haven't you ever heard of the stories of those they're like? There's no depth perception with night vision really. Yeah, so there kind of is with thermals a little, but With there's not. With night vision everything's flat. And you hear of guys that are like overseas and they're talking about. They're like running and they think something's like out a long ways from them. They like clothes line themselves on it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, oh no, I didn't know that. I have heard stories of people that are trying to hunt and they think that there's like a big animal like Coming in or whatever, and then all of a sudden they realize it's like a mouse, like yeah quote like ten feet in front of them, because they, they didn't realize, like, how far away it was.
Speaker 4:I'm hurting those stories, I'm just hurt guys shooting dogs, geez what?
Speaker 5:oh Hi, oh yeah, sorry. I went straight to golden retriever.
Speaker 1:Steve told me that they were they were night coyote hunting away or, oh gosh, they were night coyote hunting Whatever. Week back few days could have been seven months, I don't know. A while ago and he said he was on a coyote in his thermal and the coyote sat down and he's like alright, I'm gonna take this like it's time. So he clicked his red light on and it was like from here the refrigerator, just like sitting there, he's all shit like really way closer than he anticipated.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, but anyways, I think like it. Since you have one on your gun and One that you can like handhold and look around, then if we each have a red light, like that Cole and I could be have red lights like mounted on our guns and that's like the cheap way to be able to hunt coyotes at night. Um, if you just have like one thermal that you can, yeah you can see the coyotes with, and then just be able to click on the red light.
Speaker 4:I would like a flashlight, though I could, otherwise I'd be swinging my gun around.
Speaker 1:I know well, that's my yeah like having a hand held. I think, if it were just me going by myself right now, I would have my thermal as a handhold held. Even I can, even though I can put it on a gun, I would just handhold it and then I would put my light on a gun, because then I could. Yeah, then you're not like swinging your gun around.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's basically what yeah, yeah, I did like do one on the gun and one Handholding.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I did like Steve's thermal and that he he could range within it, which would seem like it was really nice because then like you could talk, like and Obviously we had a big group of us sitting there, but like everyone knew what the range was, because he was whispering it out kind of as it went and he could watch that whole thing, like come in. But it was terrifying for me. You guys all could see, I could not, I was the only one without any Night vision, if you know, and I was just sitting there in the pitch black like yeah.
Speaker 5:It's like okay, and he's like 80 60 and I was like if this was a major predator I would be dead. I have no, I kid like literally couldn't. I was staring, I'm watching where he's looking. I'm like Trying with all my might trying to like see something. Nothing, I never saw that.
Speaker 4:No, it was cool though. Yeah, we just suck, but yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 5:It made all of us be like we're doing that we're doing that way.
Speaker 1:It would have been way better If my gun would have worked correctly now, you know.
Speaker 5:Just to like load it back at. You know, when we first start walking, we're not sitting down set up.
Speaker 4:We're not complete noobs the next day. What do we kill? Two, yeah, yeah, but Was it five?
Speaker 5:It was a group of two, a Group of two and a single well, yeah, so yeah, yeah, one.
Speaker 1:Then it was a double, called him right into like 60 yards, mm-hmm. You shot one Cole, shot at the next one and about made you deaf. I still can't hear it.
Speaker 5:It was. I was so good like all the whole other time, like when you and Steve and I went out midday I had my ear pro, like had my ear pro the like Whole week and been so good about it. And then we go out. I switched jackets because I had just been wearing a brown jacket and I was like, no, if we're going out in the day, I'm gonna put on my camo jacket, and I switched jackets and forgot to grab my ear protection. I'm really like lined up along this fence and Called these two coyotes in and it was really fun. I saw him like 400 yards away and then they ran in and Cole was ranging. The whole time we had switched back and forth on who had a rifle and who had a shotgun and it was my turn on the rifle and so Cole had the shotgun and he was sitting like second in line on the four of us sitting on the fence. So he's like ranging, totally guiding me, which is like you know well, it's trying to narrate for everyone.
Speaker 4:So there's four of us is Leah me, steve Jordan and we're all sitting on a fence row and the coyotes are coming down the fence row. We're on. So I'm trying to narrate for everybody turns out Steve can't hear anything. Yeah, I'm like anything either I was like Leah, you're gonna have to shoot him. Mm-hmm and I was like actually just wait, wait till they cross the fence and get out in front of us. Yeah and then yeah, once the one saw Our outlines.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you smoked. Yeah, here's a little bit of that story. So I could hear some whisperings, but I didn't know what was going on and Very poor timing on my behalf. I went to pause the the caller to be like what do you guys see? I pause the caller, the coyotes literally run underneath the fence and then, I think, caught our movement because the caller stopped and they, you know, they just weren't super focused on it.
Speaker 5:I had to kind of like swing over a little bit yeah oh shit, and I turned it back on.
Speaker 1:But I was just like which is funny right here, 60 yards to your left, and he looked boom yeah it was just phase.
Speaker 5:It's kind of funny because, like we saw them coming for like two minutes at least a minute Like like running down this road, I'm like crosshairs on, like can see both of them he's. He's like telling me yardages, like the whole way, and I'm like everyone's gonna be ready. They crossed over the fence and I was like hey, I even told Cole. I was like I'm gonna take the one on the left, thinking the one on the right would be far enough out that one of you guys could Shoot. It turns out you guys didn't even really like we didn't know no there.
Speaker 5:I was just like steam knew we could see something, but he couldn't hear Cole the whole time.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was like giving a story. I'm like just wait, just wait.
Speaker 3:He's like. All of a sudden I hear Steve go Holy shit.
Speaker 4:Obviously, steve doesn't see it.
Speaker 5:Yeah cuz. So then like if the one stopped, the one that was on the on the left Stopped and looked right at us and I was like, well, they're not gonna get any further out than that. And so I shot it real fast and then all of a sudden, copaloo, right like next to me, the shotgun goes off. I thought at first I thought it was Steve shooting, but I was like man, that like you have a silencer on your I know I see a silencer every time, the suppressor on on yours, which is what Steve was shooting. And I was like man, I was really loud. And then afterwards Cole was like, hey, did I ring?
Speaker 5:your ears a little bit, and I was like what he's like a shot, wonder my ears are screwed.
Speaker 4:Actually, rested it on your shoulder.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no, yeah, it was fun. But yeah, I Kind of threw some lead at the other one as it ran off and went to no avail. But yeah, that was, that was a fun one the first set. You guys had one come in that Steve shot. Mm-hmm and then we had one that kind of hung up you were having some I promote all too far out, and it was kind of.
Speaker 1:It was super flat with like a little it kind of rolled away from us and I got the caller to turn on and then I turned the volume down. When the Coyote the Steve was gonna shoot was coming in, I just turned the volume down a little bit as he was coming and Then the whole thing, just like I try, I was trying to get the thing to work in it I ended up turning it off, couldn't turn back on, so I had to run out and get it. You called me on the phone, yeah, cuz we were there's like.
Speaker 5:There's like a little knoll and these guys were set up on this side and we were only set up like 50 yards apart. But we were on this side and we their coyote came into them and then we had one that was swinging around. It was gonna come right kind of to us, but then, like the caller was to our right and so then that I thought that it would come to like you know 200 yards and then skirt over towards you guys, but he had stopped and was like staring stead on and I was like Jordan turned it back on. Jordan turned it back on.
Speaker 5:Turned it back on and I like went in, this guy is just like standing there and I finally was like turn it, call her, turn it back on. And she was like oh shit, I was like had to run over there.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm having some technical difficulties with it. Yeah, hold on. Yeah, but um yeah, it didn't.
Speaker 5:He didn't want to commit, and so Cole made a pretty long shot on it, what was like 330 or something like that. But yeah, and then we had one more coming, so we scared a lot of them. Yeah, there's a lot out there, so we're going to go out and we're going to yeah, we need to go back. We got all of our little quirks out of the way and then we're going to be dead deal with that gun.
Speaker 1:It happens a lot during shotgun season. I literally have had this happen like three or four times during shotgun season for turkeys with clients. They get in the blind and they're trying to be really quiet and they, you know, slowly try to quietly put a shell in Turkey comes in at clicks because it didn't just engage correctly.
Speaker 1:So All the story rack your Deal or yeah, make sure you know that you bump that forward. Assist Like real hard, really good. Yeah, I did the next time. I like loaded it softly in the daytime and I hit that. I didn't like smack it, but I just like pushed the hell out of it and then you could hear it just like engage.
Speaker 5:Good to know. Yeah, cool, it was fun. We had a great time. Yeah yeah, it was just sitting on the table. Um, we're randomly of note in that Steve was trying to keep these pelts and we were shooting a 65 Creed.
Speaker 1:Wars, we were shooting 130 grain. Sierra bullets, yeah, sierra Game Kings or whatever the hell.
Speaker 5:They are great.
Speaker 1:Dear. They really have been really good year rounds. But as far as coyotes go, if you're trying to save your pelts, Steve's got some, so in to do.
Speaker 5:One of the coyotes was so bad that he was like, yeah, I don't think we're going to save this one, but yeah, and he made a comment that I thought was pretty accurate that he was like it's hard you want to like, if you're trying to save the Pelt, to try and get around that Kills him dead and doesn't let him run off, like yeah, it's kind of hard to find both yeah.
Speaker 5:It's. It's like a hard to find, that happy medium where, like you don't want them to run away with a little dinky hole in them, but you don't want to shoot him dead and have a giant hole in them.
Speaker 1:Well, I think some of that's just going with a smaller caliber, still going good bullet. But these smaller calibers two, two, three, 22, two, 50. Some of the, I think maybe even a two, 43 starting to get big.
Speaker 4:But 300 round.
Speaker 1:Just definitely.
Speaker 5:I know Cole was like, hey, you want to take my gun, Just grab the 300. And Steve was like that's not going to work for my Pelt's yeah. I was like oh yeah, I don't want him dead. Yeah, yeah Um yeah, we had a great, a great couple of days and days We've.
Speaker 1:We've had a great year, season two. Just in general we shot. I mean Steve's buck is mid 130s, upper 130s probably. Good. Yeah, and he's an eight. So I mean a big eight. Is he eight or nine?
Speaker 5:He just, he just had like a little ring.
Speaker 4:Yeah, 10. He's a 10.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:If you were to score him right now, I think like it would be an inch on those two points. Yep, it would be a 10.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so uh him. We had the sick guys come out. One of those guys got a 160 buck.
Speaker 5:One, 51.
Speaker 1:Then we had been after you at a 151 and 146. And change. Yeah, 130 inch, eight point, which is super tall. Browthines, which is really cool buck for a kid. What's been? Yeah, I don't know. It's just been a good year and there's, there's still good to your author we've been seeing so. Yeah, the, the hunt winner just barely missed a nice 10 point Like a mid 140s bucket.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, 70 yards. Cole snuck him on in, on there. It was fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So cool beans. Well, you didn't really have any questions on this episode, but if you go to Jordan dash by dot com, you can submit a question via like a voicemail, and then what I can do is I can play it on here so I can be like, oh, we got a question from this person and then I can play it and it'll play like a voicemail with your voice and all that stuff. Ask him a question, that we can cover it, so yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Cole, do you want?
Speaker 5:to tell anybody how to find you, or do you want to stay?
Speaker 1:hidden. I don't want anybody to find him because you're going to take him away from me.
Speaker 5:We want to keep you forever.
Speaker 4:I'm not working for anybody else, I mean, besides the people I work for now. I was like no, if anybody, I'm going to work for myself. Cole dot Trishel one. I think it's my Instagram. I think, look up Cole Trishel yeah.
Speaker 1:And I'll have him tagged in some stuff too, yeah. Running water hunting. Yeah, running water hunting too. Check her out. We're starting to book Quickly. Yeah, I have 67 emails sitting in my inbox the last time I looked at it.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:From yesterday, steve from overnight.
Speaker 5:Yeah, steve, steve was kind of talking you up on Instagram and it really hit the pictures of the deer yeah. Really hit the interwebs. Yeah, it's kind of cool, so that was nice of him.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's. It's the third. I'll probably have this episode out tomorrow, hopefully on the fourth, but on the sixth, all being Denver with Steve and the meter gang for a live show. So I think there's still tickets available. I don't know, they're like 40, some bucks, piece, 42 bucks or something like that. Yeah, for the live show in Denver. So if you're around and you're bored, come check it out. I think there's trivia.
Speaker 4:I thought they're sold out. I don't think. The Denver one is the.
Speaker 1:VIP tickets are sold out, which I think is like a meet and greet sign thing. I don't know, don't know, but anyways, yeah, meanwhile we'll be here holding down the fort. Yeah, exactly, thank God. You make life so much easier. All right, see you guys on the next episode.
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