DeputyDane Morning Show
DeputyDane Morning Show
#DDMS Episode 40: Zombies Would Have Lobbyists—So Why Not Cops?
Sirens, slogans, and a hard dose of reality—this conversation pulls back the curtain on what happens when policy rhetoric meets the street. We open with the “defund” soundbites and ask a tougher question: how do you expect better policing from fewer, more exhausted officers with less training and more constraints? From a volatile ICE encounter in Chicago to the daily grind of 911 calls that aren’t crimes, we connect the dots between budgets, morale, rules of engagement, and the split-second decisions that shape public safety.
We walk through the federal-local friction most people never see. Different authorities, policies, and liabilities mean local police can’t always jump into federal operations, even when the public demands it. We also break down crime and gun policy without the usual caricatures: strict laws on paper can’t replace targeted enforcement, community trust, and the training that builds judgment under pressure. Bail reform, officer burnout, and staffing shortages each have ripple effects; ignore them, and the whole system frays.
Immigration debates get a fact check, too. We cite 8 U.S.C. §1325 to clarify what’s criminal and what’s civil, and we talk about fairness for people who followed the legal path. Beyond the headlines, we argue for a rational middle: defend the need for policing while demanding accountability; invest in scenario-based training, wellness, and supervision; pair clinicians where it helps without pretending social workers can replace cops at violent scenes. If you want safer streets, you can’t cut your way to competence—or shame your way to service.
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Fools on TV talking about defunding the police and things like that.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, defunding the police has to happen. We need to defund the police. We need to defund the police. But we need to completely dismantle the Minneapolis police department. So yes, defund your buttons.
SPEAKER_02:Defund you. Yes, I support the reallocation of resources from NYPD.
SPEAKER_01:Well, good morning, everybody. As you can hear, the first one said, What do we want? Dead cops, when do we want it now? That's about 10 years ago that that protest was going on with BLM. The next one's talking about defund the police. Well, let's get into it a little bit.
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SPEAKER_01:I really don't know what we're gonna get into, but we'll we'll get into stuff. Sit back. Oh, oh, yep. That's the sirens. I think we're all gonna be detained. Sit back and enjoy the show. Well, good morning, everybody. It's another day, another week. We it's coming into it. I'm recording this Sunday morning. We'll release this Monday morning. But either way, we're getting it going. Um so as we heard, the first one was what do we want? Dead cops, when do we want it now? The second one was oh, a bunch of people talking about defunding the police. So where do you stand? Hmm. Very interesting if you think about it. Uh crazy times that we're in. In my opinion, the places that defunded the police had definitely uh increased in crime rates. Um and then it's really it's really just tied law enforcement's hands, and things are getting fucking crazy. Look what's going on in Portland. Look what's going on in the ICE detention facility. People are dressing up as Elmo and Santa Claus and Lilo and Stitch and shit, and then interrupting them and getting arrested. Then that didn't even take us to Chicago. Look at what happened in Chicago. ICE agents get rammed by a car, and then there's like a big pissing contest between ICE and between Chicago PD. And at first I was very pissed at Chicago PD, but I don't know all the facts. I wasn't there. Now after listening to police chief talk, um he kind of puts in perspective, I guess there were law enforcement there. They're just it's hard to explain. Your three-letter agencies or your feds, they have different rules of engagement. They have different rules of engagement really is not the right thing to say, but they have they have different rules on what they can do, what they're trained to do, who they can apprehend, who they can't. There's a whole lot of things that and local law enforcement we don't meet. So if they're doing something, there's times that we don't even get involved because it's just that's not something that we need to be involved with. That it's above our scope. We can get ourselves sued, and it's not really something we're gonna go down in that pissing contest. Now, someone ended up getting shot in that whole ordeal, and people are shocked by this. The the Chicago police chief did say something that really stuck with me, and let me see if let me see if I can find it. All right, here we go.
SPEAKER_03:Agents, ICE, HSI are officers, they are agents of law enforcement. If you box them in with vehicles, it is reasonable for them to believe that they are being ambushed and that this could end in a deadly situation. And it's reasonable for them to use force based on those conditions. Do not box in any law enforcement officer. You are breaking the law when you do that, and you are putting yourself in danger following law enforcement agents around. The question is why? What are you planning on doing?
SPEAKER_01:So here we go. So at least the police chief has a little bit of common sense. Um, Chicago right now is just I'm gonna be honest, it's a shithole. Not the people, but it's a shithole of just allowing whatever to happen. Crime rates have gone crazy. People are being murdered on a crazy level. Firearms there are absolutely rampant. And they have pretty strict gun laws. Some would say the strictest gun laws of any city or state or anywhere in the United States. So you have all these people that want to go anti-gun and the anti-Second Amendment for gun restrictions and stuff. Don't get me wrong, I do believe there has to be some checks and balances to our firearms. I'm a big supporter of the Second Amendment. I have plenty of firearms. I love my firearms. I think everybody should be able to have them. Now, there are some instances that people with mental health issues, I don't believe, should be able to get them. I mean, sorry, but that's either way, Second Amendment, big advocate, but there's got to be some checks and balances. But for all these people are saying just get rid of all the guns. And what's mind blowing to me is they think that that's going to fix it. Look at Chicago. Chicago's one of the highest murder capitals we have. And there's and they have the strictest gun laws. People think if you make guns like gun laws come up, all of a sudden there'll be no more shootings, there'll be no more anything. Which is wild to me. Criminals do criminal shit. Besides that, there's, I mean, it's pretty obvious. Criminals do criminal shit. So if you ban firearms, if you make it illegal to own firearms, they're still gonna have firearms. And that's what I don't understand that one side is not getting. Let's get rid of all firearms. That's not how it works. But that's where we're at. And it's freaking mind-blowing to me. And areas like this where they've defunded law enforcement are hurting terribly. The defund movement really jacked up a lot of stuff in the aspect of you brought in a time when cops don't even know if they can be a cop anymore. Chicago's prime example, they can't chase you for shit. Their bail reform stuff says that if you kill somebody in second degree murder, you get instantly released and you show up to court. Second degree. I mean, that means you could be walking down the street, just randomly get somebody, and then go, oh, well, I didn't plan on it, and now you have second degree. It's freaking crazy. It's just crazy the times that we're in and the defund the movement thing, it just blows my mind. Some of the stuff I agree with. There's good, bad, and other a lot of social media thinks it's all one way or the other. But I mean, I see some of the things that defund the police could benefit, but defund is not the right word because you're saying take away money. Right now, a lot of agencies are scraping by. My agency is one of them, to be exact. I work with the budget. I know what our budget is, I know what it takes to make our agency run. And what sucks is we don't have the funding to send all of our deputies to go to the best training that would help the county, would help the deputy, help everybody because of funding. And you're saying take funds away. Now, defund the police, they they realize that was not a very good idea, but you've already done the damage. Law enforcement's always been the pendulum. It's been loved, it's been hated, and it goes back and forth. And I think right now we're going back to people saying, oh shit, we've got to get things under control because these places that just let you do whatever and get a slap on the wrist are places we don't want to go. We don't want to live. It's crazy to me the stuff that's going on, and then certain people just turn a blind eye. So, yes, there's good and there's bad. It blows my mind because people think that what's the first thing you think when you call 911? If you're not in a house fire or you're needing medical attention, people call 911 for the stupidest stuff on a regular basis. And who do you think they send? Who gets sent? I'm gonna give you a hint. Majority of the time it's law enforcement. I deal with a lot of stuff that I shouldn't really be dealing with. It's not my deal. But that's what I'm here. I'm there. That's what I'm here for. And I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna, I love my job. I love helping the community, I love being there for people. It gets annoying when someone's calling about their neighbors' trash blowing into their yard, stuff like that. I mean, it gets a lot of stuff. But defunding has really made fewer cops on the street, which does that make you feel safe? I don't know. Defunding and defending are put too far one way or the other. Defunding, I think, is a terrible way to say it. I think there's gotta be something better to it. I don't agree with defunding at all, but defending is also it's a slippery slope because I'm not defending every cop. There are bad cops, there's bad law enforcement, there's bad apples and everything. Everything. You've got to train to be better, you gotta be better, but you need funds to be able to do that. Or you can't your deputies and everybody is getting less training. There's fewer officers, which is causing the officers that are there to get burnt out. And I don't know if you've ever had like a rough week where you put in a lot of hours. Are you in a good mood all the time? I mean, and the stuff that we see on a regular basis, and then you expect that person to see more and more and more because they're having to pick up all these crazy hours because there's nobody who wants to be a cop anymore. But we're supposed to just put yoga instructors in there to go help with social worker stuff and have good vibes. No one complains about law enforcement when there's a car crash. You call the cops. Domestic excuse. Domestics, you call the cops. You your animal gets lost, somehow the cops get called. But again, we're the problem. We're the we're the issue. When you're it's just a I don't know. It's just a it's a crazy time. It's just a crazy time. When you defend law enforcement, you're not saying never hold them accountable. You're saying, hey, maybe we shouldn't hate the people keeping society from falling apart. Let's give them the tools, let's give them better training, and let's not tie their hands behind their back and expect miracles. Because here's a fun fact morale matters. You can't expect good policing from people constantly treated like villains for doing the job that everyone avoids. You're expecting law enforcement to do all these things that nobody wants to do, and you're expecting them to do it with a smile on their face like they're a fucking clown or something. I don't know. It's crazy. It's mind-blowing. It should be more about let's focus on their training, let's get their morale up, let's find out why there's so much stress and PTSD is thrown around a lot, but let's figure out why there's so much stress and PTSD in law enforcement. Let's figure it out. It's crazy. And then if you say we're defending police, all of a sudden you're a radical. I don't think you're a radical. I think it's rational. It's rational to def defend the police. You need to defend the police. And by police, I mean all law enforcement, obviously, I'm not police. It's crazy. I don't know. We're in a crazy world. We're in a crazy, crazy world. You expect law enforcement to be perfect while being villainized by so many for just doing their job. Look at ice. Ice is a crazy time that I people ask me. What's crazy is I'm seeing right now on social media the same thing that I've seen for years where did you get a shot? Well, do you support ICE? Did you vote for Trump? Do you support ICE? Look at what one side is always trying to do. They're trying to villainize you all the fucking time. They're trying to villainize you if you don't agree with what they agree with. Do I support ICE? I do. Whether you like it or not, it is a crime to enter the United States illegally. It's it's a crime, whether you like it or not. Whether you are someone like this. No, it's not a criminal act. It's a misdemeanor.
SPEAKER_04:So why are they being sent back and saying that they're breaking the law?
SPEAKER_01:That's the point. Okay, uh, somebody that I don't know if any of y'all know. So let's first off, that's Don Lemon. Don Lemon, I guess, is a American T television journalist. Well, he needs to go to school because anybody that knows what a crime is, you've got misdemeanors and you have felonies. That is a crime. So let's listen to this again. So what so it's not a criminal act, it's a misdemeanor. So let's break this down. If you actually go to AUSC 1325, improper entry by an alien. So let's go with this. So 1325, improper entry of an alien, says A, improper time or place, avoidance of examination or inspection, misreputation, and concealment of facts. Any alien who enters or attempts to enter United States at any time or place other than a designated by immigration officers or elude examination and inspection by immigration officers, or attempts to enter the or obtain U.S. or entry to the U.S. by a willfully false or misleading representation of a willful concealment of a material fact shall for the first commission of such offense be fined under Title 18 or imprisonment not more than six months or both, and for the subsequent commission of any other offense be fined under Title 18 imprisonment not more than two years. So the first commission of the offense is a misdemeanor. So if it's not a crime, then bm. You can't just get imprisoned for not committing a crime. So whether you believe it or not, it is a misdemeanor. And that's just for the first offense. It's a misdemeanor, punishable by fine and up to six months in prison, or both. If you continue to get more, you can get up to two years in prison, is what's that saying? And if you continue to do more, you just get felonies and stuff like that. So when you overstay a visa, that is a civil offense, not a criminal one, and can lead to deportion proceedings and other civil penalties. But that's not the same as entering the United States illegally. If you enter the United States illegally, even Don Lemon, who says it's not a crime, says it's a misdemeanor, so that would be a crime. Let's just do this. Let's type in Google. Is a misdemeanor a crime? Yes, a misdemeanor is a type of crime. Though it's considered less severe than a felony, it is a criminal offense punishable by fine, probation, community service, or imprisonment for upper year for up to a year in a local jail. So would that be a crime? Yes. So he even says, no, it's a misdemeanor. It's not a crime. It is a crime. Now, when you overstay a visa or something like that, then you get your civil stuff, and then you have people here that are on um what's the damn term? I can't think of it. I told you because we dealt with some the other day. Um asylum seekers. So you got asylum seekers, asylum seekers. So they these people are here because there's problems where they come from. Now they've made it to where just because your country's poor does not mean you can seek asylum in the United States, but that's neither here nor there. Either way, all this stuff's happening, and ice agents and all these other people are getting attacked, and the Chicago mayor is like adding new laws and stuff to prevent ICE from being able to go in places. And like, I don't know if you understand the federals trump the state for the most part. So, and who are you gonna send? You're not gonna send a Chicago police officer to go arrest an ICE agent because it won't go well. I promise you that. That's not gonna be a pretty, pretty sight. Now, if the if the ICE agent was doing something illegal, fine. You know, if he's drinking and driving, yeah, he can get arrested. It can happen. It happens all the time. Um, but going to stop them on just the fact that you don't think what they're doing is right is crazy. Even the even the Chicago police chief said that. We'll show you.
SPEAKER_03:Do not interfere with the duties and responsibilities of federal agents. We don't have to agree with it. It doesn't matter. You don't have to agree with it. We do not interfere with their orders. And when they go out to carry out their orders, they will do that the way that they're trained to do it and their understanding of what it is they have to do. Another one CPD will not arrest and cannot arrest federal agents because someone deems what they're doing is illegal or unlawful. Their rules of engagement are different from CPD and other law local law enforcement agents. We need to be clear about this. If we're not clear about this, we will see another event like we saw Saturday.
SPEAKER_01:So there we go. Even the police chief, which at first I really wasn't big on. I listened to the whole press conference, I feel a little bit better about it. Um, even he says local law enforcement will not get in to the feds pretty much stuff. They can't arrest them just because you deem them doing something illegally. Well, this is mind-blowing to me that because that means people have come up to him and is like, why aren't you doing something? Something needs to be done. Chicago right now is oh my god. And what sucks is I'm a huge Bears fan. I'm not going there. There ain't no damn way I'm gonna go there. You can get murdered and people can get instantly released. I'm not fucking going there. That's wild. It's a wild, wild time we're in right now. And we're witnessing I don't know. Is this what it was like before the North fought the South? Like, is that where we're at? Like, I don't know. So many people are so quick to judge one way or the other, and it's freaking mind-blowing. It's crazy. I don't even know. I don't even know. And then I saw a fun thing. I thought this was pretty funny. Um, I saw it on Facebook, and I was like, that's pretty much the fucking truth. Let me see here. And it said, I'm convinced that if my generation was faced with a zombie apocalypse, they would be zombie rights activists. And that's true. Think about it. Right now, criminals are getting activists for them. So if zombies are out here eating brains and people are stopping them, these fucktards would get in between you and be like, no, don't do it until they get eaten. But I mean, then that kind of separates the problem, I guess. I don't know. It's crazy, but it's true. We are in a crazy time, and I'm tired of being judged all the time. Think about it. For the last how many years have we been judged? Um, let's see. Did you get a shot? Did you not get a shot? Did you vote for Trump? Did you not vote for Trump? Now we're going, do you support ICE or do you not support ICE? What does it fucking matter? If I'm a good person, you're a good person, what's it matter? I don't understand. I don't know. It's a wild time we're in. Um, and the only thing I say is just be safe. Watch your back and watch everything. Because right now, the time where we're going, I I really wonder if this is what it felt like when the North fought the South or South fought the North, whatever you want to say. I don't I don't know. And it just blows my mind some of the sim similarities of what's going on compared to then, compared to now. It's crazy. I mean, besides the slavery deal, you know, besides the slavery deal that we're fighting for slavery for slavery to end and everything. But right now there's extreme political polarization. You've got crazy amount of partisan division, you got deep mistrust between political groups. It's mind blowing right now. I don't know. I don't know where we're headed. You see it right now, watch all these protests going on. And then what kills me is that people are like, if they're left-leaning, they go, well, it's not as what they're showing. But then you can watch people who are out there filming it. Now I'm not talking news, I'm talking people on the ground filming it. And they're like, no, there's nothing like that going on here. Okay, I'm not saying the whole city's like that, but it's going on there. The whole city might not be in flames, but there's areas that are bad. Now, Chicago, it's pretty bad all around. It's a pretty bad area right now, and I feel bad for all the there's a bunch of law-abiding good people in Chicago. They're dealing with bullshit. They're dealing with stuff because law enforcement's hands are tied there. And they're dealing with it because of all the crazy amount of just letting criminals go. I don't know. I don't know. Where do we where do we fix the problem? I don't know. I plan on making this a longer podcast, but I think this is a good stop point. I I just I'm at a loss for words right now. I'm at a loss for words, and I don't even I don't even know where to like begin to try to think about what we could do. I don't know. I don't freaking know. It's a crazy time we're living in. People have lost their mind on both don't me wrong, there's right people have lost their mind. But we have a group of people that are saying it was okay that a man got executed for talking. Not even talking. He got executed for listening. Now, when he would have a debate, that's what debates are. You give me your point, I give you my point, and we can kind of go there. But now you have a group that supports a man getting executed in front of his family and everybody else, who supports criminals getting away with everything they're fucking getting away with, who supports the borders letting all these people in. There's people that are at Home Depot that are good people that are working. They're not, I'm I in my opinion, they're not the problem. He's there, he's working, he's doing everything. But a lot of tax money goes to a lot of the legals as well. So we're mad about tax money going here and there, but what about all the money that goes to illegals helping them on medical, helping them on other things? I I don't know. But do I think he's the problem? No. But there's a lot of people that have come across the border and it's not all Hispanic. There's Middle Eastern terrorist sales in the United States that have come through Mexico. And they're probably laughing their ass off because we have little church groups and little people down there offering them water on the border. Oh, here you go, and they're like, these fucking Americans are stupid. Give me water, give me a place to stay, and and then we're over here just like, hey, Jesus loves you, drinks them water. I don't know. And I feel bad for the people that fought to come to the United States legally. Don Lemon was talking to a woman that came here legally from Mexico. She's from Mexico, came here legally, and she supports immigration, and he says it's not a crime. What a spit in her face. I had a guy that was from Costa Rica and he was on my fire department, and I was having to go over the test with him. And holy hell, the stuff they have to know. The stuff that people have to know to come to the United States and become a citizen is mind-blowing. Can you tell me who the 27th president was off the top of your head? I can't. They have to. We are so sheltered in this country, and we are so ridiculously babied in this country that we don't even understand that people that worked and bust their ass to come to this country are are just looked upon as, well, you did it, but they shouldn't have to. I'd be pissed. I'd be pissed. Just like when DEI was going over, I would be pissed if I'm a white man that's busting my ass every day going in and busting it and busting it and busting it, trying to get a promotion, and they give it to someone of color, they give it to a female just because they need more diversity hires. I'd be pissed. Just like I would be pissed if I busted my ass to come to this country and watch people come here illegally and then have these people fight for them. I'd be pissed. And watching both sides, I try not to watch one side. I don't watch the news at all unless it's like someone showing a clip on YouTube or something. I watch a lot of YouTube. And even then, you can get radicalized one way or the other. I watch a lot of like people that go out and talk to people, but it's mind-blowing because I I watch a lot of people that just go talk to people and listen to them, and they don't even really say a whole lot. They defend their ideas, but they can't because one side is screaming at them, and then the other just screaming and like violently screaming and gonna fight them and calling them fascist and racist just because they're asking questions. And then they go, You can't use this film. You can, you're in public. But then they start going, you're asking leading questions. No, they're not, they're asking you questions, and you are answering on it, it's mind blowing. I don't know. I don't know. Now, there's some people that are too far right that I can't watch just because they're just too far right for me. There's way too far left I can't watch. I try to find middle grounds to see everything, but I've learned that we have been fed so much bullshit on everything. Everything. And then you've got conspiracy theorists that believe crazy things, but then some things now you look at and you're like, maybe they're right. But we have deemed them crazy because they have theories, but some of them are pretty good. Now, there's some I don't agree. I don't agree with flat earth or lizard people or weird shit like that. I don't know. That's just me. Um, you can, cool if you do. That's uh that's your opinion, dude. We can we can talk about it, but I'm I'm not gonna agree, but I don't know. Crazy time. Everyone just stay safe, spread the love and positivity. Don't let all this hate get you down. It's a crazy, crazy time to be alive, and we are witnessing stuff. I've been saying that for fucking five years now. We are witnessing history, and we are. And boy, I think we got a lot more coming. Everyone stay safe, learn to love one another, spread the love and positivity, and let's let's have a good week.