UFOs, Witnesses, and the Stories That Make Us Believe

We’re closing out this UFO deep dive (for now… because let’s be real, this rabbit hole never ends) with the stories that actually got to us—the encounters that feel a little too consistent, a little too witnessed, and a little too real to just brush off.

From the mass sighting of the Phoenix Lights to the chilling Brazil incident, to schoolchildren in Zimbabwe describing the same unexplainable experience… we’re talking about the moments that shift UFOs from “fun theory” to wait… what is actually going on?

Plus, we spiral (naturally) into government cover-ups, missing scientists, ancient texts, and the unsettling question: what if the truth is way stranger than aliens?

If you’ve been along for this series, this is where it all lands. And if you’re new—welcome, you’re already in too deep.

Sweet dreams 👽✨  

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Hi everyone, welcome back to the show. It's me, Peter Breeze. I feel like I don't have to say my name every single time, but Peter Breeze, here I am. Um, we are continuing the deep dive into UFOs. This is our third episode and probably our final one for now, for sure, not forever, but this series of three. Um, in the first episode, we focused on the modern UFO history, sort of getting people up to date from Roswell up to the age of disclosure, which is a documentary that just came out and all of the new laws that are getting pushed through Congress to make it easier for whistleblowers to come forward. So if you haven't listened to that and you're curious about a modern UFO history, sort of like where we're where we were and where we're at, listen to that. Last episode, we talked about alien species, and I haven't even posted a clip of that yet because I was promoting my new song, Real Housewives of Area 51, which I also showed last week. Um, so today we're kind of following the rabbit hole of alien species, and we're gonna be talking about our favorite UFO encounters. So these are stories about people or groups of people seeing UFOs, and these are stories that really struck Jess and I. Um, stories that I think really made us believe. I mean, there's a lot of things that make us believe. So we're suckers, aren't we, Jess? Um uh but yeah, Jess is back. So we're gonna be diving back into UFOs that mess with our brains the most. First off, how are you, honey?

SPEAKER_02 2:20

I'm good. Every day is a day closer to disclosure.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

Oh my god. That's a good one. Um, did you? I know I texted you about this. I don't know if you've seen it, the new Bob Lazar documentary.

SPEAKER_03 2:35

Um, I is that what you texted me?

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Yes, yeah, yeah. It's a new, it just came out, like probably, I think in the last week it's called Bob Lazar S4.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

So I thought that was just a podcast.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Okay, so there I sent you a podcast. I send Jess a lot of stuff. I sent you a podcast, and then I text you about the UFO, so the Bob Lazar documentary. So, first of all, the thing about Bob Lazar is I think we mentioned him. He he was he was like the first person in the 80s to come out and say that he worked at Area 51. And for decades he's been telling the exact same story. He worked at Area 51, he saw the UFOs, he saw them fly in the desert, he was part of the reverse engineering project. He saw documents that said that they were from Zeta Reticulae. He knows that they were aliens there, yet he never saw them. And his story is like not boring, but it's very procedural. He's like, I just worked there, this is what I saw. And he's been saying his story over and over again. So the documentary actually didn't really um teach me anything new. But what they did that was super cool is they used 3D printing and AI to perfectly replicate what he saw. So they really focused on his story and the details of like, okay, what was it like outside of the facility when you got there? What was what were the hallways like? What was the office like? What was the ship like? So it was really, really cool because you really saw it through his eyes. And now with um AI being so realistic, it was fantastic. I watched it when I was hungover after my release party, and I was like, this is fucking awesome. I bought it on I'm having two thoughts right now. I bought it on Amazon. So I was gonna say, I wonder if there's a way for me to like send it to you. But I also am irritated that we have to pay for these UFO things because every UFO documentary, like, this is gonna change the world. I'm doing this for humanity. Then just say it for free, bitch. Go on Instagram live.

SPEAKER_03 4:30

Right. Okay, I have to look back at my text because I just saw the podcast and I actually start work watching the podcast on YouTube, and I was just like really confused because I need it to be like reinformed about his story because I think the podcast was just talking about it, and I was like, It's the same. Yeah, I was like, I need to like watch something before this, and then oh, you don't know about Bob Lazar? I do, and I think I watched a documentary like a year or so ago, but you know, yeah, I don't retain all of it. So I'm like, oh, I just re watch his story again.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

He's the most credible witness, and the thing that's interesting about him is things that he claimed back in the day are slowly being verified over time. The first was element 115 that didn't exist, and he said there was this element, and then later it was discovered. Um, he spoke about the location, which people could never find on a map. They recently could find it on Google Earth. Um, but he actually like drove his friends to Area 51 when he was working there because he was like, I need people to know this, and they got caught, and that's why he was fired. And then they started like tapping his phones. They were like, Your wife is cheating on you. They like it's crazy. But he never sold a book. He doesn't really like public interviews. I mean, he's done sort of a circuit recently, but um he doesn't strike me as like a fame horror, which like some of these UFO people are constantly out there like doing shit. But yeah, watch watch Bob Lazar.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

Anything about the other interesting, the one thing I do know about him, because my husband and I discuss all this UFO, UAP stuff as well, um, is that there's a theory about him that he's a quote useful idiot and a disinformation target. Like they fed him all these scenarios, put him in secret places just because they thought he would go out and storytell about them to confuse the public. Which I don't know, like again, if you're saying he doesn't seem like he's someone like talking too much or putting out books, then why would they do that? They would probably just use somebody else who seems like they're more of a chatterbox and like want same.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

So I mean, the reason why Bob Lazar would be good is because he is so um, I'm gonna say it's not an insult. He's just like an everyday guy. He's a scientist. He's just like, he's just telling the story. He's not sensational. And when people push him on the UF, on like the alien thing, he's like, I don't know. Like, I don't know where they're from. I don't, I haven't seen them with my eyes. It could be like he doesn't lean into the conspiracy. He's very much like, this is this was my experience. Um, however, if he was a plant, then that could also be true because he's just telling the same story. Why would the US government go all this way to show him a spaceship that hovers that is from Zeta Reticule? Like, if anything, I think they maybe planted information in the files that wasn't true. Like they had the craft. I believe that he saw a craft, and I believe that he saw it. I believe that the desert was real. What could be made up is like the document he saw about um them being from Zeta Reticuli. But he was in the fucking ship. Like, you just watch it and then let me know what you think. We'll do another episode when you talk about Bob Lazar when you do it.

SPEAKER_03 7:51

Yes, another episode.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

Yes, you're back, baby. Um, okay, so let's talk about our favorite experiences, encounters. So, Close Encounters of the Third Kind is a visual sighting. Close encounters of the fourth kind is physical contact with an extraterrestrial. So we are talking about close encounters of the third kind. Now, the one that always sticks out to me is the Phoenix Lights incident. This, to me, is such a strong case for something unexplainable that hasn't been explained, and the the pattern of gaslighting that comes from the media and government after something like this happens. So this took place on March 13th, 1997, just two years before Britney Spears debuted on the charts, um, over Arizona. So, over the course of a few hours, people across the state started reporting something in the sky, lights. But it wasn't a vague, like they weren't seeing one or two things. It was a very consistent report. People were describing a massive V-shaped formation just gliding slowly overhead. It wasn't blinking, it wasn't moving fast, it was completely silent. And um, a lot of the witnesses didn't think it was multiple lights. They thought it was one solid object, something huge, big enough to block out the stars. But when I say huge, I mean people said it was like multiple football fields long, like massive. Thousands of people saw this across towns, across cities. I think it was like over 250 kilometers or miles. This thing was seen. So it's one thing to be a hiker out in the friggin' forest and you see something and you come back and you're like, I saw a UFO. There's so little, like you, you, even if it's real, there's not a lot of it's so easy to dismiss it because it's one person seeing something, right? Thousands of people, thousands, and the fact that it was the same report over and over and over again is is pretty, pretty remarkable to me because a lot of the most famous UFO experiences, um, or the most interesting are usually one or two people. Um later that night, there was a second wave of sightings. This time it was a line of bright lights just sitting in the sky. So, like hovering, it was like they were sitting on a shelf and then they were slowly descending. So, this is the part that got caught on video and spread everywhere. And actually, now that I'm explaining this, Kurt Russell, the actor, saw was he he experienced the Phoenix lights because he's a um a pilot and he was like flying in and he saw the lights at the time. So not only thousands of people, but also a movie star. Um, so obviously to this day it's still debated, and the official explanation doesn't fully match what people say they experience, of course. Shocker. Um so I watched a documentary about this, and there was there were hundreds of reports, right? So obviously, the next day or over the course of several days, there had to be some sort of public um release because there's thousands of witnesses. So the police and news flooded with reports. The Arizona governor later claimed he saw something unexpected. But they did a press conference where I don't know who the politician was. He came out and he was like, Okay, you're right. Um, it's time for us to be honest. And I think people were like, okay, this is like he's gonna tell us what happened. And then they had this person come out dressed like an alien, and the media like laughed, and they sort of like dismissed it and it went away. After getting pushed more, the official explanation came from the government or the Air Force that it was 10 aircraft flying in formation, and the lights that people saw that were in a straight road that were slowly descending were military flares for the later lights. So the reason why people were questioning it is because they were silent. Um, people know what jets are, and I think they can tell the difference between one solid object and 10, and again, thousands of people, thousands. Um, it's it's so irritating to me that sometimes the explanations we get are so stupid. Like even the biggest skeptic in the world, I think, could tell the difference between something that's bigger than a football field that is slowly gliding versus 10 jets moving in formation. Um, witnesses insisted it was a single object, it was silent, there was no jet noises, and the scale didn't match the typical aircraft perception. So I chose that one just because I mean, I always bring this up to people in conversations because of the amount of people that saw it. So the thousands and thousands of people. And there is a video. I think the video is not that interesting. It's just like a row of lights. But have you heard of the Phoenix lights, Jess, before I told you about them?

SPEAKER_03 13:34

Um, I've heard of it, but I didn't know the complete story. So I was super interested to know the story.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 13:42

Well, I just have questions. Well, A, that's so annoying that you said the mayor, governor came out and just like said it was a joke at first. Like I'm sure people are scared if they're thinking it's aliens or not. If it's not aliens, is it or you know, is another country coming over and doing something that's you know, fearful? Like, what is happening? Like, what are these lights? No one's explaining it, and then they just come out and joke about it. Like, that's so annoying.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

It's so irritating. And remember, this is something we spoke about in one, I don't know, what episode. The average person is not going to see something unexplained and automatically be like, that's aliens. You and I would, you know, people who are like prone to that. But most people who have these experiences are not UFO people, which is why it's so it affects them so deeply. It's emotional, it's confusing, and it's it's really forcing you to consider what reality is. So, like the fact that they they immediately make it about like the cartoon alien with the big green head and little little men from Mars is so um gaslighty and so dismissive of what people actually saw. And it doesn't change the truth, also. Like, you could let's go to Arizona next episode. We're gonna fly there. I'm gonna interview the people on the streets. But um, get you out here, Peter. Listen, if Trump says the aliens are real, but you have to come to America to find out, I would. I'm like knocking on the White House door.

SPEAKER_03 15:21

Um wait, so was there any like, did anyone describe any feelings? Like, do they have a sense of ominous? Do they have a sense of calmness?

SPEAKER_00 15:30

No, not calm.

SPEAKER_03 15:33

Ominous.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

Ominous. It's just sort of like this large, and there's there's this thing that happens. Hang on. What is the feeling you get when you are around something massive? Um, no, it's not megalophobia. I I read this recently, and it's it's a sensation where a human being is around something that your brain can't comprehend how big it is, like maybe the ocean or like the sky. And people were describing just like the sense of it's confusion, I guess, and uh, I'm putting words in their mouth, but nobody said it was calming and like, ooh, is this spiritual? But you know what? This is the other thing that the Congress can do and they're starting to do. You don't have to say it's aliens. Just say, yeah, something happened and we don't know what it is. And then people say, okay, that resonates. That's exactly what I think happened. You move on. Like that's the whole bottom.

SPEAKER_03 16:39

That's also like a scary scenario for some people.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

Yeah, you've uh you've said that before. I think um if it was China over America with something that was bigger than a football field, I think there would be more immediate, immediate and dramatic action. Like, I think they would be shooting it or you would be at war. Like, I don't think they would brush that off.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

I don't know, but I understand that fear is different in Canada because we don't have that like intense military culture like you all do. I thought it moved to Canada. Um I mean, yes, we'd love to have you. Um, so yeah, Phoenix lights. That that was that was mine. Um, Jess, what's yours?

SPEAKER_03 17:23

Well, mine? Okay, so as you were defining the third kind and the fourth kind, I think mine's the fourth kind.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Oh, she's taking us down another path, honey. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

Well, you let me know if it's the fourth kind. So I what makes me a believer is the Brazilian.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

I don't know, I'm acting surprised. I knew you were gonna talk about this, but even in the moment, I'm like, right, that one.

SPEAKER_03 17:53

And I'm surprised because you said yours was 1997.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

And mine's from January 1996. So the 90s to me seems like it was yesterday. Like these are like big people, very things.

SPEAKER_00 18:09

Bob Lazar did say is like it was until the 70s. Um, we I'm not even gonna say it. That's when we were in touch with aliens and then they left because we did something. But um, yeah, I don't know why the 90s were a hot moment. Yeah. Anyway, tell me about the Brazil incident.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

So I don't want to portray this, but it was in Farojina, Brazil, 1996 in January, and there was an actual alien being there. So this is where, and you said it on the last podcast that um it's like, why would just random people just make something up? Like they're not gaining anything from just like telling a wild story that people might think they're like actually insane for telling. Like, why would they do that? So there were three young girls, I think they were like probably between like I don't know, 10 and 16, just in like a back lot between like houses and stuff in this neighborhood. And they literally saw a creature with huge red eyes, it was like brown or black, oily skin, and it smelled like sulfur, and it left footprints of like three really big toes, right? And they were like scared to death. I think they like ran to one of their houses. The mother was like, What are you scared of? They went back regrettingly to the area and still saw the being and it ran. And then all of a sudden there was just like military presence everywhere. Um, so there's actually a really, really good documentary on this. It's called A Moment of Contact, and it explains everything so well, so detailed, interviews everyone, interviews the mayor, who's like, I didn't see it, but like I believe it happened, like absolutely. Interviews the doctors, where they actually captured the being, the military agent, or maybe it was a police officer who physically handled the being and captured it, but very soon after died. Um, because of like I I don't know, this creature has like just from another world, right? Like, who knows what kind of smells, gases, whatever it's admitting that like coming in contact with us is actually poisonous. Who knows what happens if he died because of that, or if he died because you know, someone had to take him out because he knew too much. He was up close and personal with it. So apparently they delivered it to this hospital. Um, military officials went into the hospital. So in this documentary, they were also interviewing the military official that was there. Like people are like, hide my voice, hide my face, uh, this will ruin me. But like the interviewer got really, really good content. It is so believable, in my opinion. Again, all these people have things to lose. Why would you just make up a story about a creature? It was later dismissed that it was just like, you know, a mentally ill person like running around town. It's like, come on. Um, but there's literally stories within it that the US actually came in as well and potentially took the body. Um, there's stories of like literal men in black coming up to the doors of like the houses of where the girls lived, talking to the mother, talking to the ants, threatening them, or trying to give them money, like hush money. So it's like all these elements of cover ups, men in black, actual alien fighting. And everyone. In the town talking about the incident, like they don't seem that fearful. They're just like, yeah, like this like happened. This is something that happened. We all believe it happened. Again, even the mayor. So how do you get all those people to just, you know, tell that story, tell that same story?

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:21

Um, and just fully believe that, like, yeah, like an incident happened here and it was real, and there was an alien here.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

I mean, even just saying, I believe that it happened and leaving it at that, like they saw something. I don't know. They think it was an alien, maybe it was something else. I think just like for people who have a hard time believing that there was an alien being in this town. I think you could still watch the documentary and be like, well, obviously something happened. Um, and now I feel like there was a recent follow-up about this, and they went back and interviewed the doctor, I think.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

Well, yeah, there's a doctor that's on the documentary as well.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Okay, maybe this is it, but Moment of Contact isn't brand new, that documentary.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

Right. I forgot uh a few years old. You can watch it for free on YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

That's great.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

We don't uh um yes, Moment of Contact New Revelations 2025 is a two-hour follow-up documentary by James James Fox that expands on the 1996 Varhenia Brazil UFO incident. Um, so this what it did is it by the way, this was like a one-hour and 58-minute documentary, and then the last two minutes was like the compelling testimony from a neurosurgeon who alleges direct communication with the captured entity along with insights. So the new testimony um described a four-minute interaction with a captured being. The film includes updated interviews, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, and I think the rest was um pretty much a recap. But there was a really compelling scene with this guy where he is struggling to say what happened and they're pushing him. They're like, it's okay, and they're working so hard to get this guy on camera. They go to his house, he locks the door. There's like back channeling of people trying to get him. And there was just a really moving scene where he tells his story and then he's crying, but he's not crying, like sobbing about it. He's like sort of, you know, like he's looking to the distance and like and like having a moment where his eyes are watering and he's thanking them because he's been holding on to it for so long because he didn't think anyone would believe him. And he finally told his side of the story.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

Um, so I'll have to watch the update because the original was 2022, and in that one, so maybe they finally caught up with this man because in that one they went to someone's house and he was like, literally, I have a gun, I will shoot you. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Talking.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

Yeah. Yeah. Um again, it's if you're just like coming into the UFO lore and you hear about a real alien getting seen, it's really hard to believe. But again, these are people who are just living their lives. Um, they were scared. Somebody died. Um, this smell of sulfur, like there's just really visceral explanations. Um there was a guy, I don't know if this was in your documentary where he described seeing the craft, like somebody else was like, something fell. And I thought it was like a blimp. But when he drove to it, it was like a cigar-shaped metallic thing that he went and like picked up a piece and it like crumpled like tinfoil and then it like spread itself out. So there were there were different um yes, I remember that. Yes, different uh witnesses throughout the town that saw different things. And then there were people like rich people. I'm saying rich people because I think the people who saw it were, I think they were like, I don't know how to say this. Maybe like they were poor. And so I think maybe those people could lie to get money. Like they could be incentivized. I mean, it's like they went to this neighborhood where um there was a family that didn't want to be on camera, but they spoke about them, yeah, the men in black coming in the helicopters and stuff. And again, men in black, but that fucking movie with Will Smith. So people are like, oh, that's not real. It is, I believe it's real because people talk about this all the time. They have encounters, these random agencies show up, and um, that is a really compelling story. Um, one of very few stories that include such a claim of being up close to a human. Like they said they were like 10 feet away or something. It wasn't like across the field, like they were really, really close. And it was like huddled in the bushes.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

And like it looked at them.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

You were very close to it.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

Yeah. Yeah. I also thought it was interesting that the way they described it was not like any of the stereotypical aliens.

SPEAKER_03 27:23

That's why I believe it so much, too. Like the oily, the big red eyes. The thing that I do hear a lot about aliens, though, is the smell of sulfur. And I completely believe that because I've had my own experience.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

What with sulfur?

SPEAKER_03 27:40

What? Maybe I'll tell you at another time. What? I don't think crazy. But yeah, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

There's also sulfur is linked to demons too, and some poltergeist activity, people smell sulfur.

SPEAKER_03 27:58

I mean, there's a there's maybe it's linked to demons because people have seen this type of UFO before and they're like sulfur, glowing red eyes, that must be a demon. Well, this alien.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

This, this, but this goes back to like there's a whole theory about people have been seeing UAP and having these experiences since the beginning of time, but our language and understanding of technology has changed. So when the Bible is talking about fire in the sky, maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was some kind of ship, right? Maybe it was the same glowing orbs that people claim to see today. When people talk about angels coming from the sky, maybe that was an alien. Like we're we're we're people have always spoken about things from the sky coming down, right? Like Jesus, every religion has something like that. Um so why wouldn't a person hundreds of years ago say it's a demon because religion was just at the forefront of how they lived their life? And then somebody in 2020, I guess 1997, um, with a more, I guess, broad worldview would interpret it differently. Um, fairies, leprechauns, there's all of these like folklore about things that fly, things that come from different realms. Um, and again, this is like where the UFO thing can go down such rabbit holes because the the most basic understanding is extraterrestrials from another planet. But there's a lot of speculation now about interdimensional and us in the future and the things that they do with time. So yeah, it's and this is also what Congress is saying about the truth is crazier than what you think. And that's where it's like, what is crazier than aliens?

SPEAKER_03 29:49

I mean, I used to think that, like, oh, they can just tell us like we can handle it. Like, I'm thinking the craziest things already, right? Like, I can easily handle it, it's just aliens. We'll see what happens. But now, more recently, I am a little bit scared. I'm like, wait a minute, what if it is all the bad conspiracies? You know, all the conspiracies where we're like a slave planet or something, and or we are in the matrix, like all the all the ones I don't like.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

I'm okay with the matrix. I am okay. I'm okay with that, and we're already fucking slaves to capitalism. Like it's it's like that's already happening.

SPEAKER_03 30:29

I know, I know. I was just watching another um TikTok video. Um, if we're going down rabbit holes of just like all the reasons why, you know, we are probably aliens, or like it doesn't, it doesn't seem natural for us to be here and like giving those reasons of like, oh, like all these animals can bask in the sun, but we get sunburnt, and you know, how all these different species have evolved and blah blah blah. But like we need to do all these things to again just protect our skin or do this or do that to live on this planet, but nothing else has to, you know, develop products and I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

That's interesting. That's interesting. There's also just like the leap in evolution where it was like we were cavemen, and then suddenly we were doing agriculture and we were doing art.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Like Anunnaki theory.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

I listen, have you read the book of Enoch?

SPEAKER_03 31:24

I have not.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

Okay. The book of Enoch is from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which was discovered in my like I think the 50s, like pretty recently. And it was a book that was left out of the Bible. And it's this is the most UFO thing. One of the Congresswomen, I don't know her name, she was like, read the book of Enoch, and that's pretty much what happened. Fucking gods come down, mate with humans. A woman in Congress, she was on, I think she was on. Um, she's one of the, she's one of the few female congresswomen that is talking about it a lot. She's got some Botox, honey. She's got like the tight filler face. She's pretty young. But she said um after she went into the scrims or the skiffs and sort of saw the videos and got her own version of disclosure, she was like, Yeah, the book of Enoch. Because what it does to these people is it really turns on your head what you think humans are and the story of religion and the origin stories of mankind. Because once you are faced with something that shouldn't exist, whether it's a craft that's moving in erratic ways or a physical being, everything else is like, well, if that's real, what is everything else? And the whole book of Enoch again. I don't know why some things resonate with me, but the whole ancient religion, you know, star seeds were part of the alien fucking agenda somehow does resonate with me. The book of Enoch. Like it's such a crazy story. He taught, I wrote a song about this. Hopefully, I can release it sometime. But he basically talks about being taken up in um um something made of crystal, and it was like there was light and fire around it, and they took him around the planet really quickly and just crazy, crazy things. Crazy. It was like poetic. So he either he was like a really creative man back in the day or something crazy happened.

SPEAKER_03 33:16

Anyway, I'm gonna do more research on it.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Yeah, I'll send you, I'll send you some stuff. Um, okay, I have another one that I want to talk about. I actually included um some clips of this specific experience in my video. This is another mass sighting, but this time it's with children. So there is a Zimbabwe UFO incident that happened in 1994. Oh my God, they're all in the 90s, Jess. What's happening? Um so uh there is also, for people who find this interesting, there's a similar story about a school in Australia that I recently heard about. But um basically September 16th, 1994, the school is called the Arial School in Rua, Zimbabwe. 60 school children aged 60 to 12 were outside during class. Sorry, during recess. They reported that a silver metallic disc-shaped craft landed near the school and beings came out and approached them. They described the beings as small, thin figures with large black eyes, described as not human. Some say they were wearing tight black suits. Um, the weirdest part, I guess weirder than an alien landing at school, um, multiple children said the beings communicated with them telepathically. The message was about environmental destruction, technology harming humanity. Kids, kids described it as images being brought into their minds. Um the thing that was really striking again, similar to the Phoenix Lights, was this happened and the children were separated quickly and interviewed them, and they all told very similar stories. They got the kids to draw pictures of what they saw, saw, and they weren't exactly the same, but generally like big heads, big eyes, um matched across dozens of kids. There was no clear sign of coordination or influence. So the reason like the teachers sort of just like the teachers weren't there. And I guess that's sort of like, well, maybe all the kids made it up. But what the teachers said is like they're all outside, and even if it was orchestrated, it was 60 of them and it happened so fast. So for kids six to 12 to sort of come together outside in realist um recess on a whim, make up a story about a UFO landing um with aliens coming out that also just happens to um sound like a lot of other UFOs encounters, sort of these beings coming towards them, and then kids being able to go and being interviewed and cry and be traumatized. And they've done interviews with some of the students since, and they, you know, it ruined their lives. They they were not able to recover, nobody believed them, they were made fun of, they were ridiculed, no personal relationships, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, there was a credibility boost, and it was investigated by Dr. John Mack, who is a Harvard psychiatrist. Um, he was covered in the BBC and other media, and interviews short interviews happened shortly after, and he said the accounts were consistent over time. So he was part of the interviews for the kids. Um, skeptics say it was mass hysteria, imagination, misidentified object like a satellite or aircraft. But there was nothing in the field once everybody went. But I think there was like burn marks or something. Um, obviously, maybe the kids saw something on TV and just um copied it or were regurgitating that information. But the reason why people still talk about it is because of the large number of witnesses. The kids had no motive, um, obvious motive to fabricate. I mean, attention, yes, but again, that would be a pretty big conspiracy for those kids to come up with in real time. Um, the story has stayed consistent into adulthood, which I think we can't underestimate that something imagine something that you were made fun of as a kid to made to feel like you were stupid, that you were lying, that made you feel like shit. Why, as an adult, you would continue to tell this story even though there's absolutely no proof of it.

SPEAKER_03 37:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

Why? Um it feels different from the typical lights in the skies sighting. So uh yeah, I mean, I again, anything that's a group sighting really resonates with me. There were kids. The interviews are really compelling. There's also an interview about them. I don't know if it's an interview or just like news clips from YouTube, but yeah, the kids were interviewed by the government. Again, Americans showed up at the scene, it was quarantined. Like, anybody who's a skeptic, watch it. Let me know what you think. If you think all the kids are lying, okay. Um, that's not what I took from it, but yeah, I found it really compelling. Did you know about that story?

SPEAKER_03 37:59

Yeah, that's like my number two story that makes me a believer for all the reasons you stated. Like there's so many kids, they all had the same story. Why would they make it up? Why would they continue the story as an adult? Yeah, I love that story, and again, yeah, makes me a true believer.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

The last thing we wanted to talk about was more recent, like it's literally happening in real time, and that is this sort of string of scientists that have gone missing or have died, and they have all been linked to UAP UAPs in some way or another. So um let me just pull up my notes here.

SPEAKER_03 38:44

Um Yeah, I feel like one of the major ones that I was sending you some information on was that retired US Air Force General, um Neil McCasslin.

SPEAKER_01 38:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

Um who also, so he's just straight up missing. And I believe a year after that, um, a woman, Monica Jacinto Reza, um, who worked for NASA, um, went missing as well. And they were connected like they worked together.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

Yeah, it's interesting. Um, Neil came up in my research too. So he has been connected over time. So he was at Wright, what's the there's an Air Force that's connected to this whole UAP thing, which is basically a private company that is rumored, right Patterson, that is rumored to sort of have been um the privatized contractor that has taken the UAPs and been contracted to reverse engineer it and maybe been using it for modern technology. That is another rabbit hole that suddenly we were able to do. Um, but Neil McCassland has been linked to that company and special projects for decades. Um, so he's missing completely. And I'm pretty sure his wife was like, something is connected to that and the way he works. There's somebody named Amy Eskridge, so was an aerospace engineer, worked on advanced propulsions, just like Bob Lazar, died in 2022 as a reported suicide, although that didn't track with what her friends and family said, how she was doing at the time. And she was drawing attention to her um at the time about her anti-gravity discussion. So yeah, there's these deaths. I think there's like 30 now. I'm not gonna list them all because I don't know enough info about them all. But um if you look on social media, they're up and they're starting to talk about this in major news outlets too. But it's all like acts, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:44

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Like at first, I was seeing this on my feed, and I was like, oh, this is conspiracy theory stuff. Like I was kind of watching, but you know what? I think it's probably just a conspiracy theory. Let me not put that in my realm. But then more recently, yeah, it's on major news networks now. Saw videos of the press asking the White House press secretary about it, about the missing people. Um, but for me, like asking the White House to investigate this is like asking the killer to go find himself, right? Like, aren't they the ones probably covering this up?

SPEAKER_00 41:19

Yeah, totally. And it's um it's interesting timing because we've had increased government public discussion about UIPs. Um I feel like the thing again that seems to happen with this is like these really stereotypical, almost Hollywood-esque things happen. Like Bob Lazar working at Area 51, scientists linked to UFOs going missing, it's so like if that's real, it's insane. But if your mind is open and you think, okay, if it is true that the government has been doing this for a long time and we're starting to realize at the very least, they have been studying it, and we're getting closer to some kind of disclosure because pressure is being put on them with these new policies that are pushed through Congress. And if you are part of the very finite group of people within the government that does know the truth and you know that it's getting closer to be disclosed, and then you are going to be exposed as somebody who's been orchestrating this lie for decades, what length would you go to to keep it a secret? And you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 42:29

Like that's an interesting fake.

SPEAKER_00 42:31

Right. Because if this all gets disclosed and it's like, okay, so the conspiracy theories were right, this has been happening. We do know that ETs exist and they have the technology. So let's go back to Roswell, Sawi. So that was true. And then people are basically gonna go event by event and be like, this is all true. Why were you lying? And then if enough public pressure comes on, at some point they'll have to cop up to it at some point or another. I don't know if the government would like completely throw specific people under the bus, but yeah, it's it's pretty alarming. I mean, any group of people related to the same community that goes missing or is murdered would be a very curious thing. If it was all gay people, if it was all part of the same church, people who worked at Nike, you know, like anything like that. I was like, hmm, that's interesting. But just the fact that they're in UAP is like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 43:30

This just all makes me think it's all coming out soon because I keep hearing the year 2027, and of course, people always do that. Um, they're always like, everything's gonna come out in like 2022, the world's gonna end in 2025. It's always next year, it's always next year. Another date, but I don't know. It just feels like we're inching closer to something.

SPEAKER_00 43:49

We've never had this much mainstream validation before. There's also like the thing with the US government, which is like Trump is unhinged and he's doing lots of crazy things, the Epstein. Files and the UFOs are a really good distraction. So there is a reality where they're like, yeah, let's just like pander this a little bit because it's such an intra like distracting, crazy story to distract from what we're actually doing. But then I'm like, well, that's like he's starting wars to hide from the Epstein files, so we don't really need UAPs.

SPEAKER_03 44:18

Right.

SPEAKER_00 44:19

The wars are enough. Um, yeah, but I think that's all we had for today, those those those stories. Um every time we talk, I realize there's more. Like there's so many theories we can go down, so many people we could profile, but I think it's good that we, you know, take a little pause, get inspired again, get ideas. Um, maybe there'll be major updates in the news soon. I know we got Steven Spielberg's movie coming out in June. I wish we could see that together.

SPEAKER_03 44:48

I know, I know. You you guys just have to come down. Wait. California California.

SPEAKER_00 44:54

Right, Orange County to Vancouver Drive. Let's see how long it would take. 20 hours. Oh, that's nothing. That's easy.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

I mean, I did drive across the country when I was moving here, so I'll probably do that.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

Because you're a new New York, no, New Jersey. New Jersey?

SPEAKER_03 45:14

Jersey, New York, then California.

SPEAKER_00 45:17

Well, thanks for coming on and doing the alien deep dive with me. Thanks for having me. It's my favorite. Anytime, baby. Maxwell, Maxwell.