Optimal Human Experience with Dr Joseph Diruzzo
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Ep. 8 - Unraveling Health Mysteries: From Stress to Prenatal Imprinting to Hostess Cupcakes
Ever wondered how the different kinds of stress in your life physically affect your health? Today, Dr. Joseph DiRuzzo and I take a deep dive, not into water, but into the inextricable links between your health and stress. We’ll unravel how everything from your emotional state to the temperature around you feeds into your overall wellbeing. As we explore the concept of homeostasis, you'll discover a new world of balance that your body constantly strives for. And, if you’ve been feeling frustrated with traditional healthcare, get ready to be introduced to a cutting-edge method called ‘functional medicine’ that just might transform your health journey.
We also crack open the fascinating topic of prenatal imprinting to reveal insights into your makeup before you were even born. Using the lens of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) techniques, we cast light on the prenatal experience and its lifelong influence. You might be surprised to learn that your organ systems have emotional ties, formed even before your birth! Not forgetting the ancient Aztecs, we also discuss their diet habits, showing you another piece of the intricate puzzle of health.
To cap off our exploration, you'll get an inside look into how you can leverage the power of your subconscious mind to shift emotional patterns. We’ll guide you through the process of tracing your emotional states back to your prenatal experiences, and harnessing this knowledge for personal transformation. And, for a sweeter note, we’re also going to chat about cream-filled muffins and Hostess cupcakes. It's not all sugar and empty calories though, as we discuss the evolution of the processed food industry and its impacts. So, if you're ready to take control of your health and wellbeing on a deeper level, this episode is your ticket to the journey. Let's get started!
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Speaker 2:Welcome. Welcome to episode 8 of the Optimal Human Experience with. You guessed it, dr Joseph DiRuzzo. My name is Paul Andrew and I'm the ringmaster of sorts, so let's get in the middle ring. Ladies and gentlemen, dr Joseph DiRuzzo, what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 3:Let's talk about the interface between physical health and disease and mental states and how all of this fits together. What Mental states, Mental states? Back in the day, Dr Han Selie wrote a book called the Stress of Life, and it's a very important book. He said that there were a number of stress ores that we endure. One is physical stress walking around on concrete floors, being overweight that's a physical stress. Another is thermal stress going out in the heat and taxes in the summer. Boy, that'll knock the stuffing out of you. What Another is chemical stress eating trying to live on a combination of cigarettes, milk, colas and sugar, short chain carbohydrates, and then also Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Do Twinkies fit in that category?
Speaker 3:We don't want to use any brand names.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry, we just don't.
Speaker 3:So things that are high in refined carbohydrates. They hit your bloodstream and they jack your blood sugar up and then your pancreas kicks in, secretes some insulin and brings your blood sugar down below what is normal. So you have a situation where you're either up or you're down, and after a while people walk around and they're fat, depressed and they can't think straight Because the brain is an organ that requires certain stable blood sugar. So when you see somebody who's depressed, chances are good they're on the disinsulinism rollercoaster. They eat some carbohydrates, their blood sugar goes up, they feel good, they have energy, and then it goes down as their insulin and then it goes down below where is optimal and they don't feel good.
Speaker 3:They're depressed, grumpy and fat.
Speaker 2:So and you know it sounds like a carnival. Go ahead it is a carnivore. Carnival, carnival.
Speaker 3:Oh, I was married to a carnivore. She was. She loved coffee and sweets. And then, a few hours later, boy was I the bad guy. So, and then there's mental, emotional stress. So, speaking of chemical stress, when I was a boy, I used to work in a machine shop and we had something called trichlorothaline.
Speaker 3:We used to paint them, you know, and years later they came out with warning deadly poison. Don't get anywhere near, don't even look at it. No, no, no, avert your eyes. There's all kinds of chemical stress and then there's mental, emotional stress, and you know, it may be that horrible man, donald Trump, gets reelected. Well, that would be a horrible stress.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but what about the horrible man Joe Biden? He's horrible too.
Speaker 3:Oh, he's horrible too. So you know, this is a time of enormous upset and you can see all causes deaths are up, cancer's up, you know, hearted diseases up, all kinds of degenerative diseases up. So we have to ask ourselves all right, what's this all about? One of the things that I used to do that I really liked was I remove a little stress from two or three categories, and what I found was, if you push people in the right direction, there's a phenomenon known as homeostasis, where the body wants to maintain a healthy level of everything Homeostasis. Disease is a departure from homeostasis, and so if you want to improve people, just do everything you can to return homeostasis.
Speaker 3:So you've got mental, emotional stress, chemical stress, thermal stress, physical stress, and as soon as we're stressed we go through the adaptation response. The first thing that happens is our adrenals kick in and we begin to respond to the stress. That's the alarm stage, stage one. Alarm stage. Stage two is the resistance stage, where we just go into ongoing, long resistance. You get a job that you don't like and you learn to put up with it. Initially you go man, I don't like this, but after a while you go okay, I can put up with this and then, once your adrenals are really exhausted, then you get into the collapse phase and then the phase after that is death. So you've got alarm, resistance, collapse and then death. And this force, it ages all over the place. The only meaningful question is will the inner interface between improving your health get make a result before or after you reach stage four, which is death? Hopefully you can improve your health before you die, right.
Speaker 2:But not always not always. So so you were using the four stages with reference to a job which.
Speaker 3:I think most everybody could relate to that.
Speaker 2:Any relationship, yeah, so marriage or loving mate starts off great, but maybe some dragons right rear their ugly heads so you go. Well, you know, there's all this good stuff I can adapt to that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that part that's not bad, Right, you know. And then we go through the one of the three universals of human modeling in neuro linguistic programming. You're the expert in distortion and generalization.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:So well, she's not always like that. Yesterday she was fine, she'll be like that tomorrow, she'll be better tomorrow. So we make distortions, you know, deletions and generalizations, until we go through the resist with alarm resistors, the four stages and exhausted. And then, but this you know, there's a new kid on the block called functional medicine, which I have yet to research. I got to look at it and people are just, you know, they're clamoring how wonderful and this is.
Speaker 3:But what I found was, in physiologic health care, the body is always trying to reestablish homeostasis and it's constantly trying to do that, and anything that you can improve, any little thing, may push them over a threshold into better health. So we had these chiropractic manipulative reflex techniques. One was for the lungs. If the lungs were all congested, I would, in coordination with their breathing, assist them by pushing on their ribs in a direction that loosens phlegm. All right, the lungs, large intestine. A lot of times, once we're stressed, our large intestine slows down. You accumulate toxins. You can stand on the left side of a person, feel their colon and help by moving that little mud along. Just pull it toward you, all right, and it moves the fecal matter and accelerates the transit time. And next thing, you know, they have to get up and go to the bathroom and it removes some of the stress, the stress of having a gut full of toxic waste.
Speaker 3:Lungs, large intestine, stomach spleen, heart, small intestine bladder, kidney gob bladder, liver the kidneys in Chinese medicine are referred to as the seat of life. When your kidneys don't work, you're in big trouble and the kidneys sit on a shelf called the d'Lumbo dorsal shelf. And if you sit in a chair a lot, you take the curvature of the lumbar spine out and the kidneys tend to fall down and the arteries and veins that supply them stretch and when they do, the cross-sectional density or the cross-sectional diameter is reduced and so you get a reduced flow. All right, oxygen is necessary for proper kidney function and if you reduce the amount of oxygen going through the bloodstream, they go to the kidneys and at the same time you slow everything down. So there's a retention of metabolites and there's a retention of free radicals activities.
Speaker 3:People are sick. All I would do is I'd get on either side of their kidneys, just lift up a little bit, put their kidneys back up on the lumbodorsal shelf and I'd say stand up. And they'd stand up and I'd say how do you feel They'd say I feel a lot more alive. That was a Well. Why would they?
Speaker 2:say that I witnessed this one time with a lady who worked in the same office and she had some issue with her kidneys and oh, she'd been here and been there and no one could help her. And you said well, you know, it sounds like your kidneys have just fallen off of that shelf and it sounds like such a load of horse hooky. Is horse hooky a word? I thought, man, he's BSing her to the horizon and kill you.
Speaker 2:And anyway you said, hey, watch this, watch this Paul. And you put her up on the table and you did something. And she stands up, she goes, oh my god. Oh my god. I've felt like this in years. I was like, oh my, okay, I should just shut up now. I was doubting the master. How dare I?
Speaker 3:Well, you go between thinking I'm pretty amazing and going, nah, that can't be, that's got to be nonsense. You go between those two states. But you asked me two lines ago. You said tell us about how things. They work really fast. The kidney thing, the kidney lift, really works fast. I had a. The heart hangs in a sack called the pericardium and it's flexible but it's not elastic, right?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:So I knew this fellow, I just met him and he said I'm having shoulder problems. And I looked at him and I said, well, he's having problems with his pericardium. And he said I've been to every doctor. He was a chiropractor, which is kind of like an indignity. He couldn't find anybody to help him with his, with his, with his orthopedic problem. I said, well, lay on the table there, and there's a tool known as the activator and it just puts about three to five ounces of an impulse, a little wave, through the tissues, extremely effective. Well, I didn't have one with me, so I just put my thumbs together, I put them underneath his heart because his heart had done what it had fallen downward a little bit right, fallen downward, and I went bam, and he jerked and I said okay, stand up. And he stood up and I said all right, move your shoulder. He moved his shoulder.
Speaker 1:He said how the hell did you do that?
Speaker 3:So there's all these really, really profound tools. I had a gal walk into the office one time and she had worked in a place where they re-finished tires they were like retreaded tires and she put her arm down into the machine to pull a piece of rubber out and the thing grabbed her and jerked her and she tore. She tore the anterior uh uh serratus anterior in the front right and she'd been to a hundred doctors and she was just in agony all the time. She walked in the door and I looked at her. I knew it was wrong with her. She didn't tell me her name.
Speaker 3:I said come here for a second. And she said I said I'm Dr Joe. Can I put your arm on my shoulder? And she put her arm on my shoulder and I went in and I used origin insertion technique to reestablish the tear off of the chest wall of the serratus anterior. And then I said okay, now move your arm, is it better? How's it doing? And she looked at me and she said she looked at her husband. She was there with her husband. She said the pain's gone. He doesn't even know my name. He doesn't know anything about me. So you know, when I look at medicine chiropractic, acupuncture, osteopathy. People say to me do you ever work with the blind and the deaf? And I say most of the time, if not all yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, do you mean literally or figuratively, or both?
Speaker 3:Or both. This is, you know, physiologic health care has taught me over 30, 40 years it is not that difficult to restore homeostasis. Characteristically, now there's extremes, there's a bell shaped curve, but most people it's actually pretty easy. And using the oriental diagnosis techniques, boy you know, it makes you into Superman. I one time treated 335 people in a town called Baranquilla in Colombia.
Speaker 3:And I got them all asymptomatic in two days. I got them all asymptomatic except two who had had surgery. There's wasn't much I could do for them. But the tools of natural healing, the tools of physiologic health care have not even been. We haven't even scratched the surface. So the relationship between stress and physiology, it's absolute, the front and back of the same coin.
Speaker 2:That's about halfway. I'm going to take a quick break here just to remind everybody. If you want to learn more about all the different techniques and tools that Dr Joe has developed, there's a website, optimalhumanexperiencecom, so go visit us there. You can sign up for a free email course that goes into more detail. Think optimalhumanexperiencecom. Go check it out. Now can we talk a minute? We were talking earlier, before we started recording about the physiologic health care and how it how prenatal re-imprinting and the whole prenatal experience is a the foundational part of what people deal with in their life and how this ties in together with your. What is the analogy that you use about the recapitulation in life?
Speaker 3:The kaleidoscope, the kaleidoscope, the kaleidoscope. I discovered the prenatal, the significance in the prenatal state. In using the NLP tools and recapitulating the external behavior causes the pop-up-pop-o-sealed joints in the spine to fire into the brain the same as it was before you were born. And then, all of a sudden, when you do a search, a trans-irrivation search, or you do a memory into the prenatal and you go oh, there's the memory. People will say to me. I'll say, well, it could be that your mother and father were fighting and we're going to do a prenatal age regression and see what's going on. I'll say, well, that was 50, 60 years ago. I can't remember that. I'm going all right, well, let's just put your head down now. Then that's done. I can't do that. I'll say, well, let's just try it. They go, all right, well, silly, they'll put their head down and they go oh, my mother and father are fighting. Oh, they don't want to be pregnant, they don't have any money. It's just below the surface. And whenever you look at a person, if you catch them in an unguarded moment, catch them while they're waiting for the elevator you know they'll be waiting for and you know it's not the elevator. Or and catch them when they're like looking at the frozen peas and I have this little sad face on and you know it's not the peas.
Speaker 3:So inside of Oriental Medicine you're going to have five elements, and lungs, large intestine, for example are associated with grief. Did you ever go to a funeral? And every it was such a nice, such a nice heart. Heart, small intestine, adrenals and pericardium. They're associated with joy and laughter and they can be either be excessive or deficient. Right. So you meet a person who's real heavy and their heart is under a lot. There are a lot of stress. And culturally, where do we identify this? Is Santa Claus characteristically skinny or I'm going to go.
Speaker 2:He's a little tad chunky toe.
Speaker 3:Santa Claus and you want to hear the reindeer complain? They got man. Santa Claus gained another 10 pounds this year. Santa Claus, ho, ho, ho, right. So each of the major organ systems will have an associated emotional state. And guess what happens in the prenatal period? You'll never guess.
Speaker 2:I'm going to let me take a stab. These emotions are imprinted when the baby, the prenat, experiences the emotions for the very first time in concert with mama.
Speaker 3:It all fits together. It all fits together. You know the Aztecs in Mexico. Mm-hmm, what did they eat? A lot of, I mean a lot of.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Oh, corn Corn, yeah, yeah, they say we are made of corn.
Speaker 3:Corn. Guess what the if you want. If somebody is having problems with their heart, guess what amino acid profile will be very helpful.
Speaker 2:The corn amino acid profile.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you take. You say to me, eat some more corn, eat corn on the cob and corn soup and corn, and they come back and they go. You know I feel better, I don't know why. The amino acid profile guess what is the amino acid profile for the kidneys? Oddly enough, you can buy a product called Arginx, but it's the amino acid profile of beans. Now, isn't that crazy? Hmm, I mean the amino acid and profile for the various internal organs. Specific it comes right out of our our heritage of natural healthcare that we've had literally for thousands of years, but now we're getting codified in the form of physiologic healthcare. You know, I know, I've, when I've done a good job, when I render you speechless, yeah, that's a I have to start thinking sometimes.
Speaker 2:Okay, he just said that, but that tied in with that. Now I got to think about how that goes to that. And they talk more about the talk more about the kaleidoscope of life, all right.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, we and we all have gotten those little kaleidoscopes at Christmas time and it has a small set of beads or little plastic things and they'll have different colors and different shapes. And you hold it up and you move it and it looks like there's a different design in there. But if you analyze it carefully, what is it really? It's all the same design.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so one second, one section, and it's just a mirror in there's mirrors, so it's repeated and it looks like a circle, but it's really just a narrow triangle.
Speaker 3:So people will come into me and they'll say I feel a sense of disappointment and it's associated with a sense of anger, and then there's some frustration and I feel inadequate and I feel inferior and I feel uncertain, and then then, and then I feel a sense of inadequacy, and then I feel a sense of anger, and I feel and I go, I mean, it took me years to realize this is just a kaleidoscope of the same colored, different shaped beads in the same head and they run the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. And there's one thing that I found will make a difference, to make an improvement. Guess what it is.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say Dr Joe, no, but something outside of you.
Speaker 3:Do a little prenatal re-imprinting, where? Now here's the good part Inside of the human brain, inside of the human hormonal system, the neuroendocrine system, you have the programming, you have the genetic coding for the hormones of the excellence, hormones of happiness. I mean they're in the library, somewhere in your head, somewhere in your nervous system, somewhere in your endocrine system, there is a genetic code, there is a gene for a molecule of emotion associated with happiness and you can pull that up, you can evoke it and you can anchor that with a kinesthetic anchor. And then you can go back into the prenatal experience and you can find a problem state for your mother and you can fire off the anchor for happiness and your memory of it will change. She'll go from being depressed to going well, things are going to get better they always do and then you can slide into that happiness. You know what a shoehorn is. Yeah, you can take an emotional state of real despair and you can kind of shoehorn some happiness in there. And guess what happens if you do enough of it.
Speaker 2:Well, it's going to affect everything that comes after that point in your life that you're shoehorning the memory into. You can put new plastic beads of different shapes inside of your kaleidoscope, so it changes that whole scene that you're recapitulating, which is just those different beads that you were imprinted with initially rolling around in the kaleidoscope. Looks like a whole big circle, but it's really just a narrow triangle with some mirrors smoking mirrors, yeah.
Speaker 3:Wow. So you know another place where you see it is. People will say, well, I hold myself back, I feel I'd like to do something, but then I just I feel like I shouldn't do it. I shouldn't do it and I have them enter the prenatal position, take a deep breath, imagine themselves floating in the amniotic fluid, and then I'll say tell me about your umbilical cord, is it straight or is it crooked? And they'll go. And they'll go oh, it's crooked. I'll say what's the feeling you get? The feeling I get is if I move, it could get clamped off or twisted and I'd die. I'll say is that similar to the feeling? You shouldn't do anything different from the feeling, or parallel, and most of the time they'll say it's the exact same feeling. I'll say well, how often do you have it? They go I have it all the time.
Speaker 3:Then kicks in real neurolinguistic programming. You say whose umbilical cord is it? And they go well, it's mine, I go. Well, if you can adjust the radio because it's yours and you can adjust the volume because it's yours, that's your umbilical cord. And I'll take them through a series of little NLP based techniques. And the next thing you know and the resolution, right between the sympathetic nervous system adrenal firing and the parasympathetic nervous system. The relaxation response is characterized by that. Yeah, do you ever get out of a relationship that was really not right for you? Um yes.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, letting go.
Speaker 2:It's a, it's a letting go. You gotta let go, let it go.
Speaker 3:And you know, if you work on somebody's colon, you know manually, and they stand up and they say I got to go to the bathroom. It's a what? It's a letting go, it's a definite letting go. So the the amazing thing is, all of this is very, very intimately related. Your relationships in the world are related to your mother and father. You know what they did, how their degree of rapport.
Speaker 3:One of one of my, one of my interesting stories was I had a woman come to me and she was as Disturbed a human being as I have ever met, and she was a Cuban and she was a nun in a nunnery, and and she came to me and I spoke to her, nice pass, and in Spanish, you know how are you and she said Bien, nervios y siempre I'm always nervous all the time. And so I said put your head down and tell me que pasó con sus, con sus padres, que pasó? Then she said I, I gente corriendo, I play away. I don't know that way. Oh, I've ruido, there's noise, there's people running, there's, there's firearms, there's. Then I brought her up and I said where were you prenatal? And she said I was in Cuba when cast. So the, the prenatal technology, and, over the years, has shown it to be spot on, I mean spot.
Speaker 2:So you're saying that this little Cuban lady was nervous all the time and and, shockingly, feel that way for the very first time. Hmm, and let's see, castro is taking over. So they were shooting and fire, stuff was on fire and people running around screaming oh Okay, hmm, so yeah correlation.
Speaker 3:Yeah, communismo, unismo, way, be in. And, and I mean it is so consistent it is, it is so predictable and so, and it's so in retrospect, it's obvious. But I said to one of my clients who would have a prenatal pattern running all their life, I said yeah, isn't it obvious? And he goes it's obvious, but only in retrospect, only in retrospect, right?
Speaker 2:hindsight is 2020 or so I've heard.
Speaker 3:So these are the patterns that we live by physiologic health care, prenatal re-imprinting, oriental traditional Chinese medicine, chat, chinese diagnosis they're just such wonderful tools and, of course, always, always behavioral engineering. And much of this Rests on the foundation laid by Grinder and Bandler and de Lozier and Leslie Cameron Bandler and David Gordon and Robert Dillson the whole crew back in the 70s. You know, structure of magic came out in 1973, I believe, and I got into NLP in 78 and I think I I was one of the few that really applied the NLP material to the panoply of natural healing arts. Hmm, I tried to do, I tried to do a complete job and the end result, ultimately, was physiologic health care well, you know it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2:So he started out talking about the Han Salie, the stress of life in the four categories of stress and in I mean stages of exhaustion.
Speaker 2:four stages of exhaustion yeah, and so I'm guessing that during that nine month prenatal period that there's got to be some exposure from from the, from the external environment, in each of those four categories and in the hopefully, hopefully, the prenat only Experiences, at at worst, the first three of the four stages of. You know they don't get to the death part. Mommy makes it and so baby makes it. But man, what a, what a. I Was gonna say S show, but try to keep it G rated. No the, the, the dumpster fire.
Speaker 3:What a dumpster fire. Well, it is in today's society in. In ancient Chinese days they had something called Taiqiu, which was embryonic education.
Speaker 3:Oh Well, and under ideal circumstances, they bring a woman who's pregnant, she'd spend her time in a lovely garden. You know doing things that were medium of intensity. What a lot of times. If you take a person who has problems with their health and you ask them put your head down, is your mother moving around? They'll say no, she's not moving much. There is a phenomenon known as hypokinetic disease not moving enough, oh, wow. And so I'll say well, have a, have a guided fantasy in which mom is Gently sweeping the floor. She's not killing herself, but she's moving around. She's sweeping the floor, she's making a Bed for the baby, she's making a bassinet, she's washing dishes, she's enjoying being a Mom and she's moving. And it moves blood and chi and lymph in Chinese medicine. And this is where the homeostasis, the, you know just this is the, the Natural order over and over and over again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's where you're gonna find excellence.
Speaker 2:Well, that's about our time for episode 8 of the Optimal Human Experience. Hope you enjoyed it and come back for the next one. We'll see you next time.
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Speaker 2:You know, speaking of commercial products whose name shall not be mentioned, but rhymed with Winky Right, you know that white stuff in the middle of them. Yeah, you know what it's made from. Yeah, what's it made from.
Speaker 3:It's Crisco and powdered sugar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know well, I read I think that's the latest iteration I remember reading the ingredients and I'm going oh, it's some kind of cream, some kind of wholesome loveliness. It was made from beef fat, which actually is better than Crisco. I mean, crisco, you can leave it in the sun for six weeks.
Speaker 3:I remember I was I'm old enough to remember when they had cream filled muffins I don't know what they called them and the guy would come around we had a store at the time of it overmarket. The guy would come around and he would leave these hostess cupcakes and at the end of three days, if they hadn't sold, guess what he did Took them back, sold them to the next guy.
Speaker 3:No, no, he took them back to the factory. They got rid of them. Big improvement Beef fat and powdered sugar. They'll last forever. Oh yeah, no loss, no spoilage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the ones that didn't have that, they had to get rid of them.
Speaker 3:They had to get rid of them. It was real, but with cream.
