Optimal Human Experience with Dr Joseph Diruzzo

Ep. 10 - Exploring the Mystical: Prenatal Reimprinting, Hypnosis, and the Human Mind

• Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (aka "Dr. Joe")

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Imagine stumbling upon a technique so profound that it gives you access to the deepest recesses of the human mind. That's exactly where our journey with Dr. Joseph DiRuzzo leads us, as he pulls back the curtain on the mystical realm of prenatal re-imprinting technology. Dr. Joe's vibrant journey, peppered with humor, takes us through his foray into NLP training, hypnosis, and age regression. Prepare to be intrigued as he sheds light on the Milton Erickson Model, a riveting technique involving syntactic and scope ambiguity that aids in inducing a trance. And brace yourselves for a chuckle as Dr. Joe recounts his somewhat surreptitious foray into hypnosis with an unsuspecting psychiatrist!

But we don't stop there, as we plunge deeper into the world of prenatal re-imprinting. Dr. Joe uncovers the profound essence of the earliest imprinting experiences and their far-reaching impacts. Exploring various categories of prenatal re-imprinting, he guides us through a maze of resources, relationships, self-expression and more. Our journey also ambles into the realm of athetosis, revealing intriguing details about a major historical figure and their athetotic fits. Wrapping up with the 80-20 rule, Dr. Joe gives us the tools to identify core issues that may be troubling a person. So, buckle up for a fascinating exploration into the human psyche, filled with enlightening insights, captivating anecdotes, and breakthroughs that promise to reshape your understanding of the human experience.

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Announcer:

This is the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo. To learn more, visit OptimalHumanExperiencecom. And now. Dr Joseph DiRuzzo and the Optimal Human Experience Podcast.

Paul Andrew:

Welcome to episode 10 of the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo. My name is Paul, Andrew and Dr Joe. What do you want to talk?

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

about. You know, the development of the prenatal re-imprinting technology is really. It was kind of interesting because it was all done backwards, Backwards. How do you?

Paul Andrew:

develop it? How do you develop it backwards?

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

Well, I kept asking myself when did this person develop this response to this set of stimuli for the very first?

Announcer:

time.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

And so you know, I would ask people did you do this when you were a child, you know, and it'd go yeah, and I did, you know, when you were six. Yeah, five, yeah, four, yeah, it was all done backwards Now were you was this in during.

Paul Andrew:

Were you doing hypnosis, hypnosis, regression? Were you? When you say, well, did you do it at five? You know six, you're just asking them over coffee at the diner. How, how did this work?

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

Well, I was. You know, I had done my my NLP training with Doug Sauber and Corey DeTorres of the Philadelphia Institute for NLP. In those days NLP was really riding high and of course with any degree of popularity comes interneicing warfare. So all the rest I needed to had to. There was Richard's camp, there was Leslie's camp and there was John Grinders camp and then David Gordon and Robert Diltz tried to kind of it's more or less just stay neutral. You know it was funny. They had the people would say Richard Bandler was all internal computations, john Grinders was all external behaviors and Leslie Cameron Bandler was all internal states and if you put the three of them together you got a whole person. This was how I would laugh at that. But yeah, I, I got.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

I got into the Erickson hypnosis and I bought the collected works of Milton Erickson, which I believe were in two volumes. Either I bought it or I got it from the library and I was at a point in my life where I had considerable amount of spare time and I just got into it and I tried to recapitulate or reproduce each one of the uh, hypnotic patterns that Milton Ericsson had in his collected works. You know, the collected works of Milton Ericsson. You have all these other authors. You know Bill something or other and they had. You know, all these various books.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

There was a fellow who went and lived with Milton Erickson and studied him thoroughly. But after all is said and done, I think Grinders and Bandler gave the most precise breakdown of the hypnotic patterning of Milton Erickson and they gave us volumes one and two. But I was into it and you know Ericsson would do age regression and not to be outdone by Milton Erickson. I started age regressing people in hypnotic trance and, um, you'd be surprised what you find. But it wasn't until I blundered. I mean I threw diligence and study.

Paul Andrew:

Careful, careful study and scientific method carefully, meticulously documented, meticulously you know, with the I came across the um.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

I had a person that they had. They would respond to any comment with a negation and a head tick. I'd say those are your and those are nice shoes. They go well. They're not my nicest shoes. I'd say well, it's a beautiful day and they go well. Yesterday is not as nice as yesterday. And they would turn their head to the side like like and scrunch their nose up and scrunch their nose, scrunch Okay.

Paul Andrew:

Now the nose scrunch just yet another scientific, meticulously documented term in your research papers. I'm sure.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

I don't know anything unless it's peer reviewed. Double blind nose scrunched, you know I mean the soler is to. It has to be documented thoroughly. Okay, hold on hold on.

Paul Andrew:

Was the Milton Miltonian, the Ericksonian hypnosis. Was that part of the training of NLP or was this something that was, that was kind of pulled in from the outside?

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

No, they. They went through Milton, erickson's Milton, the Milton model and the meta model and the Milton model where all of the ambiguities that Milton used to induce a trance you know, you're trying to develop some understandings and and of of the optimal human experience.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

These understandings will come to you, but it's going to take a certain amount of training and you're going to have to put in a certain amount of effort. It'll be enjoyable in a very interesting way and it'll be relaxing. It'll cause you to have a deep, any sense of relaxation, whatever you deal with people in a way that's in right and the Milton model is all of these. You know syntactic ambiguities and scope ambiguity, all this, yeah, and you put people into a trance. I put I was at a conference one time and there was a woman there.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

She was a psychiatrist and I said you know, what are you doing? She said I'm a psychiatrist. Oh, I feel better already. As a matter of fact, I'm starting to feel better. I feel confident that you know, it's nice to have real professionals here and just talking with. I'm starting to feel a sense of relaxation. And her eyes were starting to close, just starting to go into a trance, and she realized what I was doing. And well, she was absolutely furious. As well she should have been. I was way out of line.

Paul Andrew:

Well, it's, you know, part of uh maintaining rapport deprivation sickness.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

It's part of the doctor, joe, actually.

Paul Andrew:

That part that contagious, I hope.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

This fellow, he would. He would turn his head and and so I kept asking did you do this when you were five? Did you do this on your floor, did you do this? And eventually I had been delivering babies and working in a uh OBGYN hospital in a place called San Cristobal in the Dominican Republic, which is one rather unpleasant area. It's down in the far southwest corner, not far from Haiti, which is another rather unpleasant area. But I've been studying this and in one of the textbooks of OBGYN the common is made that if a woman is stressed, it will stress the infant, the embryo, and they may defecate into the amniotic fluid.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

And if you put Oriental Diagnosis, which is simply acute observation, in with Milton Erickson's hypnosis in with OBGYN, it looked to me like this person was trying to move their face away and I just happened to take a guess. I said is this before you're born? He said yes. I said what's going on? He said there's something against my face. I don't like it. It burns, I don't like it.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

That was, that was the initial imprinting experience and that's where prenatal re-imprinting came from. That one thing, that one particular incident was it. And then, of course, you know it required all the development, all the other development that goes along with it. But we have our standard prenatal re-imprinting dogma sperm meets an unfertilized egg. They come together and make a fertilized ovum that divides into two cells, four cells, eight cells, 16 cells. When it reaches the 32 cell stage it's called the blastula. At this point the blastula, the intercell mass of the blastula, begins to spread out toward the head and toward the feet, rostrally and caudally, and immediately forms the neural plate.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

The first differentiated tissue of the neural plate of the human being is the neural plate. Now there are some people who say that there's imprinting, the going on before that, and I'm not going to deny that. But the formation of the neural plate is singular in its importance. The neural plate continues to extend toward the head and toward the feet and folds over and forms the neural tube. The neural tube begins to form invaginations that eventually become the paleocortical structures of the lenticular nucleus, the amygdala, the hypothalamus, all of the phylogenetic, ancient, ancient, ancient evolutionary structures. And at this moment personality structure begins to be established as a series of simple Pavlovian stimulus response. Reflex arcs. And all of the problems that people have in life, without exception, are the end result of maladaptive reflexes established in the prenatal period under conditions of maternal and or fetal distress.

Paul Andrew:

Okay, time out. So you figured all of that out by regressing this one guy hypnotically back to before he was born and came to the conclusion that he had defecated into the amniotic fluid and it was getting up against his face and it burned and he didn't like it. What?

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

other conclusion could one draw?

Paul Andrew:

Well, I'm guessing it took more than like he didn't come up with that immediately at the end of the session. Oh well, clearly what we have here is a sperm metanagin and formed a neural tube in the plate, and now you have this tick. It must be so.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

Well, I thought it was an unusual approach to things. But then I started putting people into the prenatal position and putting them into the prenatal trance and asking them questions, and invariably they came up with some comment that just made perfect sense, like your daughter, bridget. Right, it was prenatal and you know I've had a heated discussion and you know 20 years that, years later, bridget remembered it. People remember these things. Yes, she did. Now let me ask you a personal question. You've been working with this material yourself for at least 15 years, 15 years more. Have you ever seen it not be just consistently as we lay it out?

Paul Andrew:

I've. I have yet to see it not be shockingly accurate as in as in, someone will get into the prenatal state, that meditation, and remember stuff that there's no possible way that they could have known.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

Exactly so. The the the further our prenatal re-imperting science, the the embryo forms in in the shape of C curve. The head is here, then the the coxis is down here and it's a C curve Every one of the vertebrae. You have seven cervical vertebrae, you have 12 thoracic vertebrae, you have five lumbar vertebrae and you have a sacrum. Every one of those bones has a place where it joins with the bones above it. That is known as an apophysial joint. All of these joints are heavily innervated. If you close your eyes and turn your head to the left, go ahead. Do you still know where you are? Yes, why? Well, because the joint, the joint mechanisms, the joint sensors are putting input into your brain. So when we do prenatal re-imprinting, what we want to do is recapitulate as much as possible the exact conditions of the pre-nate in the womb. That's why we have people put their head down, and it's not just simply put your head down and tuck your chin, it's like lean forward and recapitulate that C-shaped curve. When does the neck curve begin to go the opposite way?

Paul Andrew:

Well, after the baby's born and start having tummy time, and they lift their head and it wiggles all around and they lift their wobbly little head and the cervical curve begins to form.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

The reason for these curves is there's a book called Kapangy. It's all about the joints. Kapangy is an excellent book. How do you spell that? K-a-p-a-n-j-a-y, j-a-i, kapangy. He's got two or three volumes. But if you look at the spine from the side, you know, if you take a broom and you put it in your hand and you stand it on end, you can stand there with a broom and hold it up right. But if it begins to tip, then it takes a lot more work to get back underneath it. Well, the human spine has got five curves. It's got a curve right under the, the occiput. It's got another curve in the cervical spine, another curve in the thoracic, another curve in the lumbar, another curve in the sacrum, and each one of those curves constitutes a spring. Remember the leaf springs? Yeah, and every time you take a step, those five curves are supposed to flex and absorb the shock of your footstep. Okay With it.

Announcer:

Yeah.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

Okay. So if you lose a curve, if a lot of people have a military neck, they'll have a ramrod neck and they end up getting what Neck problems.

Announcer:

All kinds of headaches.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

Yeah, headaches, and if they have a lower back that is too straight, they end up with low back pain. So the point of this is, in each level of the spine, nature has given us a number of joints. Those joints have nerves that feed back into the central nerve axis and up into the brain and when we do prenatal re-imprinting we want to use as literally as an anchor the prenatal posture. It is a reminder of what was going on. So then we have somebody who's got a problem with the angers. We will anchor the feeling of anger on their arm and then we'll put them back into the prenatal position and fire the anchor on their arm and because they have an enhanced recall they're already in the prenatal position they'll go.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

Oh my mother and father are fighting and there are everybody's angry. And I'll say what's the complex generalization? And they'll say from time to time everybody has to be angry. And I'll say to them what happens in your life? They'll go oh goodness gracious, from time to time I and everybody I know just has to be angry.

Paul Andrew:

Right, say more about complex generalization, because that seems to be a real stretch, and again, I've experienced it and seen it over and over again, so I can't argue with it. But I can ask the question that some people anybody listening to this must be thinking oh, come on. So you're saying this little baby who's maybe 64 cells at this point, it's a neural tube, mom and dad are fighting and this baby comes up with the, this, some generalization Say. Say more about that and what's your theory, at least, about how that, how that could even happen?

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

Well, you know, remember Conrad Lorenz, right, he had. He was an animal psychologist and he worked with ducks and he, he, he did some duck eggs and when the little ducklings began to hatch out of their shells, he held a ball above them and they imprinted. Their initial imprinting experience was to the ball. In nature It'd be to their mom and in nature they would follow their mom down to the local pond. Well, when Conrad Lorenz held the ball above them, they imprinted to the ball and he would roll the ball around his living room and this little herd of ducklings would line up and run around behind the ball as if it was there. What, Mama? They're mom. So the initial imprinting experience is most impactful. It sets the stage for everything to follow. That's why the prenatal period is so dramatically powerful.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

In that time we learned certain basics Is the world a happy place? Is the world a sad place? Are people happy? Are people not happy? Is there enough? Is there not enough? Do people stay in rapport? Do they get out of rapport? Is rapport a normal, natural thing to be in?

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

We learn at the level, at the very fundamental level I talk about. You know, there's a consciousness, your frontal vertebral projections and most of your cerebral cortices. And then there's your unconscious, which is the midbrain, and Erickson used to work a lot with that. And then there's what I call the pre-conscious, the deep paleocortical structures, and when they're damaged, there's a phenomenon known as Atheosis, or people just like wave their hands around and they have snake-like movements, worm-like movements, atheotic movements. It indicates damage where Deep in the brain, in the paleocortical structures.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

Hmm, guess who? Guess who used to have atheotic fits every once in a while? Who's that? Adolf Hitler? Oh, you would. You would start, you know, winding his arms around, going like this. He was a real nutcase, but you know he did what he did. So in the prenatal technology, this fundamental concept of sperm meets an unfertilized egg. They make a fertilized ovum that divides into two, four, eight cell, eight, sixteen and thirty two, and during this time, everything that goes on is extremely influential because it's earliest. Let me ask you this you have done some financial consulting in your life. Hmm, what's the significance of putting money aside for a baby Before it's born, as opposed to when you try to do it when it's ten years old? What's the difference in earned Income in interest?

Paul Andrew:

Oh well, the the compounding is dramatic that that if you put money away From birth through ten years, versus starting at ten years up to age 20 or 25, chances are the that first ten years will grow more because it had more time to compound, because it had.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

It's because it's the earliest Imprinting experience, right right now. That makes much more sense to you because I put it in language that you understand. You have a really reference for yeah, boss.

Paul Andrew:

Yeah, okay, real quick. We're about a little over halfway through. I just want to remind people that if you like what you're hearing or you want to learn more, please visit optimalhumanexperiencecom, the website. This podcast, all these other, all the previous podcasts and future podcasts will be. There's a page on there for those, along with other information about courses and programs that dr Deruso has developed over the years. Optimalhumanexperiencecom, dr Joe, carry on so there, there you are.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

You know that. Remember I mentioned there was a Sonogram of a baby in utero and mom and dad were shouting and every, with every shout, the little babies. You just Just jerk right and what? What are the complex generalizations that that infant is going to learn and carry on throughout their life?

Paul Andrew:

Right, I'll see if I can't. I'll see if I can't find that video and put it up on the website for people, because that is that really what I remember, seeing that for the first time, and Uh Are others, but that one was just, you know, right on the money, exemplary, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

So all of all of these things and and you know the overall epistemology of Of prenatal re-impering as it fits into the optimal human experience, the the the coolest thing to me, well, amongst others, is the idea that when you look at people and you catch them in, and Uh, unguarded moment, you catch them in an unguarded moment. That is the predominating motion that they had While they were in utero, before they were born. And you know, I, every once in a while, I'll catch a few minutes of one of these podcasts when the guys have, uh, there's three or four guys and there's five or six girls, and the guys are telling the girls that men prefer a woman who's virtuous and a virgin. And the statistics are that if A woman has a lot of a high body count, the percentage of those who go into divorce is astronomical. It's like only five percent of the Marriages last, if I don't remember if it was the man or the woman or both, but if they have had a lot of partners, saying adios is the thing to do.

Paul Andrew:

Right, right right.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

It's uh hard to get a printing. It comes in.

Paul Andrew:

Yeah, hard to get a pair bond when there hasn't been much in the way of Of real commitment before that right.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

So all of these things, you, the first experiences, is very, very significant, very, very imprinting, very powerful, and that is our, our prenatal dogma. All of the problems that people have in life, without, without exception, are the end result of Maladaptive reflexes established in the prenatal period under conditions of maternal or fetal distress.

Announcer:

What are our? What are our?

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

categories? What are our relevance criteria for prenatal re-imprinting? There's resources, money and other resources.

Announcer:

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

There's your home, your domicile, there's your significant other, there are your allies, your status, your freedom, your self expression, your offspring and your contribution. And to the largest extent, you know, the 80-20 rule prevails. 80% of the people will have these things they're searching for. Then 20% don't care. And if you have a problem in any one of those categories, it's simple. Just say to them what's your predominant problem today. They'll say I'm fighting with my wife. Say get the feeling, anchor the feeling on your thumb, put your head down, assume the prenatal position properly so that you get those neurons in your apophysi, apophysial joints firing properly and then tell me what's going on.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

They'll say well, mom and dad are fighting.

Paul Andrew:

And so that problem that they're experiencing now goes back to the prenatal period specifically under that one relevance criteria. So do you find that typically let's see how many are there Three, six, nine relevance criteria that people will have issues in, concentrated in two or three, or across the board, or one, or what do you see typically?

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

Or is there a typical? They will walk in and most people have a problem that they know that they want to work on, and for most people, either their money will be wildly out of whack or ship will be out of whack, things of inferiority, uncertainty, inadequacy, insecurity, and then they'll have personal problems. Okay, can you go back?

Paul Andrew:

Hold on, we broke up again. Can you go back to you started with? They'll come in and something will be out of whack like their money will be out of whack. Something will be out of whack, for example.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

For example, you know, I had a friend who was a psychologist and he said you know, there are people who they claim that they just walked down the street and they had bad luck. A piano will fall in their head. So some psychologists and followed them around for a while. Guess what? They had bad luck. The pianos would fall out of the sky and hit them on the head. So that's where we get into the realm of quantum physics.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

But in the eight categories and then their self esteem and how you feel about you, right? And and I'll say to people say your name to me. And they'll say you know Fred. And I'll say say your name Fred, say your name Fred, anchor the feeling. And I'll get an anchor. I'll put them in the prenatal and I'll say say Fred, and fire off the anchor. That goes with the emotion of Fred.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

And they'll go oh, my mother doesn't want to be pregnant and she doesn't know what to name me and she doesn't know if she's going to say stay with my father. And she doesn't know if she wants to keep the pregnancy and she doesn't know how to tell her mother she's pregnant. And I'll say well, you ever get any, have any uncertainty in your life and then go. Why? Why? Oddly enough, yes, how did you know? Shocking, shocking, shocking, the. The real fun, the blessing, the sweet spot, the joy, the, the delight of the prenatal technology and all of this behavioral engineering is that it really helps us make sense out of a world that, if you don't have it, really doesn't make a whole heck of a lot of sense, right, but once you get it, it's just bingo.

Paul Andrew:

There it is, and talk for a couple of minutes about. So we've got the nine relevance criteria when you include self expression. Talk about what you call not the four horsemen of the apocalypse, but the five horsemen of the apocalypse five horsemen of the apocalypse Feelings of inferiority, uncertainty and security and inadequacy.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

And then they had a different logical level, really Personal problems. And I got onto the personal problems thing Because I was, you know, I like to read, and Michio Kushi was talking about how people would get, how the number of radios in Great Britain as it went up, the number of heart attacks that people had went up correspondingly, like the more bad news people got.

Paul Andrew:

What more heart attacks. They had say yeah, right.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

So, and I would notice that people would have problems. A lot of what prenatal re-imprinting came out of is presumptions of cultural anthropology, Just presumptions. What were people doing 500,000 years ago when a man and a woman got pregnant? Were they paying attention to Adolf Hitler, Winston Churchill, Franklin Delano Roosevelt? No, none of that stuff existed.

Paul Andrew:

Adam Abbott no were they listening to the radio? No, they couldn't afford a radio. It was 500,000 years ago. Where are they going to get that kind of money.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

So I used to say to people tell me your problem. They go oh, here's my problem. I say, put your head down and imagine your mother and father giving you all of their attention. They both have their hands on your mom's tummy and they're much in, very much in love. It's peaceful, quiet and they're just so happy that they're going to have a family and they're so happy you're here. Then they'll sit there and shake for a couple of minutes and then I'll say, okay, tell me about your problem, is it the same? And they'll look at me and go no, it's gone, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

So you know, homo sapiens in the year 2023 is, to many respects in industrialized civilization, a profoundly, profoundly upset animal. We are not what Mother Nature designed us to be, and what we're trying to do with the optimal human experience is restore the natural order. Restore the natural order, restore the natural order. When an acupuncturist takes a needle and he puts it in an acupuncture point, what's he doing? What's she doing? They're trying to balance the meridians, they're trying to balance the amount of energy and they're trying to restore the natural order.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

There's an acupuncture point on the inside of the chin that is one fist, one hand width, one human hand above the bone on the middle of the ankle right. It's called sanyin ko. Sanyin ko is the intersection of three meridians. San means three, yin means yin as opposed to yang, and ko means point. This intersection of liver, kidney and spleen is a very powerful organs and they're usually pretty badly beaten up in a society that lives on hamburgers and cola and other short chain carbohydrates and plenty of salt. So when you reach in and pinch on sanyin ko, people will characteristically jump to go. That hurts If they live on decent food. Get plenty of rest, stay away from blaring lights and lots of noise. Stop fighting with people. Begin to get away from rapport deprivation sickness. You'll never guess what happens to sanyin ko.

Paul Andrew:

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say it's not as sensitive, absolutely.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

All of this is just to restore the natural order. To restore the natural order and the Oriental philosophy has really laid it out very nicely and we have to go back to some of our Taoist teachings, some of the old Buddhist teachings. In the end, nature always wins. In the end, nature always wins.

Paul Andrew:

So you're saying that in the end nature always wins.

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo:

Everything turns into its opposite. The only really meaningful question for most people is life is bad health going to turn into good health before life turns into death?

Paul Andrew:

Right, right, great question. Okay, and that's our time for episode 10 of the Optimal Human Experience with one of my favorite humans, dr Joseph DiRuzzo. So join us next time for the Optimal Human Experience podcast. See you next time.

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