Optimal Human Experience with Dr Joseph Diruzzo

Special Edition - Dr Joe discusses Oriental Diagnosis with Glenn W. Fearn

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (aka "Dr. Joe")

Embark on an enlightening quest to decode the signals our bodies are sending as Dr Joe converses with Glenn W Fern about the wisdom of Traditional Chinese Medicine and Oriental Diagnosis. We'll unravel the complex tapestry linking the food on our plates to the vitality within us, all through the lens of Bo Shinjutsu—the art of visual diagnosis. By understanding the tell-tale signs of dietary missteps etched on our faces and bodies, Dr Joe reveals how simple changes can have profound impacts on our health, potentially steering us away from the modern scourge of degenerative diseases. Laugh along with Dr Joe and Glenn as they recount the lighter side of digestive health and the unexpected joys of herbal remedies, while recognizing the critical importance of gut health and regularity for a life brimming with energy.

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Speaker 1:

This is the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo. To learn more, visit OptimalHumanExperiencecom. And now. Dr Joseph DiRuzzo and the Optimal Human Experience Podcast.

Speaker 2:

Hey there everybody. In this special episode of the Optimal Human Experience Podcast, Dr Joe sits down with Glenn W Fern and discusses Oriental Diagnosis. Enjoy.

Speaker 3:

Hey everybody, this is me again. I have Dr Joe with me here today and we're talking about some more Optimal Human Experience, so this guy is really quite brilliant. Hopefully we can touch on all the stuff we talked about today. Anyways, he is going to talk about Oriental Diagnosis, and so why don't you take it away?

Speaker 4:

Joe Well, glenn Fern, my privilege and pleasure to be back here with you. I just ate a large cupcake full of sugar and white flour, so I'm well qualified to talk about health problems in America these days. Way back in 1973-74, 75, richard Nixon went to China and he did some trade things. When he came back he brought some doctors of TCM, traditional Chinese Medicine, and I was in chiropractic college at the time and when we were introduced to traditional Chinese medicine it was as if they had shown a light in a dark room. And there are four different kinds of diagnosis in traditional Chinese medicine.

Speaker 4:

But my favorite is Bo Shinjutsu, where you're diagnosed by visual observation and it all makes perfect, intuitive good sense. When you see a person who lives on mashed potatoes and biscuits made out of white flour, it's no stretch of the imagination to think that they probably have a little problem with their bowel. They have a little constipation going on and when you look at the mouth, it's the opening of the digestive tube and the lower lip reflects the lower digestive system. And if it's swollen and blue from venous blood with not much oxygen in it, it's not hard to think well, this person probably has a little problem with their colon.

Speaker 4:

Now I remember when I was taking my board examination in New York City for licensure as a chiropractic physician in the state of New York. I went to New York City, I got on the train and I went into shock because everybody had a swollen nose, they had lower lips sticking out, they had lines in their faces and I had never noticed it before. Wow, I had never noticed and I was looked with horror and I realized just how ill as a society we had become. And the Oriental doctors back then said boy, we're going to pay a terrible price for neglecting our health, neglecting at least a little harmony with nature, eating too much refined foods, too much sugar, too much white flour, things like that. Ultimately, the number of people with cancer and diabetes and arthritis and all of these various degenerative diseases is really through the roof.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, you know. I mean we do have an epidemic of all sorts of these kinds of diseases today and some people say that cancer is a virus, you know, and it could be, I don't know. I don't know that much about it, but I know that I have always been into. If I have bread, I like the multi grain bread, the 21 separate grains, the whole kernels, you know, that's just. It just tastes better to me. I can't stand white bread, although sometimes when you buy something like some rolls or something, I mean it's going to be white flour. But I certainly am not in the habit of eating a lot of that stuff and I try and keep things moving nice and smoothly, you know, as in going to the bathroom and I don't. If I get constipation or something like that, you know I do everything they can to prevent that kind of thing from happening.

Speaker 4:

I was going to patent an herbal based laxative and I was going to make it, have it made up into tablets and I was going to call it blasting caps. And I was going to have a free seat belt that you could bolt down on either side of the toilet. Take blasting caps and never be constipated.

Speaker 3:

You'll never have trouble with that. Sounds like that Dr Schultz's digestive formula number one. I'll tell you. What he says is like he says when everybody talks to anybody, he says the first thing he asks them is when's the last time you had a bowel movement? And sometimes he says it's amazing how many times people will say it. Three months or something like that.

Speaker 4:

Does he say hello first, does he introduce himself, or does he just walk up to people and say when's the last time you had a bowel?

Speaker 3:

movement, I don't know. That's when he's visiting them as a patient, I suppose. So I'm sure there's a little bit of introduction there and everything.

Speaker 4:

At the turn of the last century around 1900, if the medical schools had somebody who came in with cancer, they showed all of the interns I almost said inmates they showed all of the interns because it was so rare that they said you might not ever see another person with cancer like this again. How different are things today? Oh man, no joke. So you see, one of the big things is transit time From the time when you eat something to the time where you go to the toilet and get rid of that waste. It should be 24 hours or less. Really that quick, oh, yeah, wow. And you see, people, you all say when's the last time you had a bowel movement? And it's been ages.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, like three months, and Dr Schultz gives him this digestive formula and I take this regularly. But what he says is you take it the first day, you take one, and if you don't have a bowel movement, the second day, you take two, and if you don't have a bowel movement, the third day, you take three. And he said you just keep doing that and eventually you're going to have a bowel movement. And I got to tell you that I take two a day. I take one in the morning and one in the afternoon, and when it's time to go, it's like blasting caps, like you're saying, okay, it's like I better be near a toilet because it's going to be running down my leg if I don't go.

Speaker 4:

It's time to go.

Speaker 4:

Yeah that's right. You know the transit time and one of the things that I said. People have a problem with a malabsorption syndrome. They'll eat stuff and they've had so much gunk in their intestines for so long and there's so much mucus that they could be eating good food or they could be taking vitamins and they have a bit of a malabsorption syndrome and the nutrition doesn't get properly absorbed. So from time to time people do a colonic irrigation or a colonic can or an intestinal liver bone bladder cleanse. I highly recommend those. Those are good for you.

Speaker 3:

I went and when I was in my twenties I went to see this naturopathic doctor just because I wanted to. I didn't really feel unhealthy or anything. But I went to see this guy in Edmonton and he was like in his eighties, he had a walker and when he came to see me and he did reflexology on my foot and there was one spot on my foot that you know I mean it was like ouch, that hurts, you know. And he told me I had gallstones and they put me on this diet for two weeks. I had to fast for a couple of days and then I came not for two weeks, it was for a week and every day I had to go into their office and they gave me this olive oil and lemon oil, olive oil and lemon oil and it was the nastiest stuff that you know.

Speaker 3:

When you start eating that that's the only thing you have and you get this big old tablespoon and you know two or three of them every 20 minutes. You know that kind of thing and you know it's enough. But you know, at night, when I went home that day, it was like I had a little. It wasn't. I could feel something like right here is my gallbladder, and every once in a while I like ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch, and so every once in a while, at night, when I went to the bathroom the next time, it was amazing how all these these stones were coming out of there. And you know, so it was. It was quite amazing.

Speaker 4:

The combination of lemon juice and olive oil is an old gallbladder cleanse. I've done it. I do not particularly like doing it, but I like how I feel afterwards. Absolutely for sure it cleans out the pipes and you get a whole new outlook on life. It makes a big difference, but you have to be careful and read up on it and pay attention, because your gallbladder is very important. If you don't have proper gallbladder function, you're going to have problems with digestion of fat soluble vitamins vitamin A and D and E and those are absolutely critical. By the way, what's the percentage of cardiologists that take vitamin E, which is cardio protective?

Speaker 3:

Probably very few. I mean, most doctors don't really do much about vitamins.

Speaker 4:

Oddly enough, 87% of cardiologists take vitamin E themselves. Oh, really. So, according to one study, how many recommend them to their patient? Oh, that's a good question 13%, wow. So they know what's good, and I think what's good for the goose is good for the gander. But in medicine, you know, it has to have a dollar bottom line, dollar amount.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, there's no money to be made in that kind of stuff. There's no money to be made in that. You know of all the bizarre things. Approximately 100,000 people die every year from properly prescribed pharmaceuticals by a properly licensed medical doctor. And if you were to ask the medical board what's the greatest danger to the public health, they'd, without question they'd say naturopathic doctors. You know, they're out there yeah what up.

Speaker 3:

What a joke. Well, you know my attitude is is that you know the medical profession has its place. You know, if you get run over by a truck and you need somebody to have a set your bones and stitch up, stitch up and put you back together, I mean, I don't know anybody that can do it better than like the medical profession. But but people go to these medical doctors for things that that that they ought to really consider, like a chiropractor or a nature path or something like for issues like that that. You know what I mean, that because the medical doctors, you know they, they, they want to sell their pharmaceuticals and and and sometimes, sometimes you have to do that. But but Sometimes you know that's that's. There's other things that work way better.

Speaker 4:

Well, you know, the interesting thing about medical doctors was when chiropractic came out 1895 era, osteopathy came out just about the same time and many medical doctors jumped ship and became chiropractors and osteopaths because, matt, modern medicine really did not have all that much to offer until the era of World War two, 1945. Penicillin. Penicillin was such a profound Adjunct to medical care that people lost all perspective and they began to think you could. You could fix anything, including a flat tire, with a proper amount of, you know, pharmaceuticals. Yeah it's just not that way.

Speaker 3:

Well, and isn't penicillin basically bread mold?

Speaker 4:

is bread mold and it's the crystalline Exudate of the mold and the way it was discovered. Alexander fling Fleming Looked at some mold and he saw all around the mold no other market microorganisms were growing. There was a zone around the mold and he looked at. He said, well, there must be something there that's preventing other microorganisms from growing. And he cultured bread mold and eventually purified penicillin. Penicillin was so rare that if they gave it to a soldier and it saved his life, they would collect his urine and with tweezers they would go through the urine dried urine and they would collect the little crystals of penicillin and use them again. Really, oh, it was a true breakthrough and it was a wonderful breakthrough, but at the same time it was misleading, because the the generalization was made that anything can be fixed with the Right, with the proper drugs, and that's that's just not true.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I'm in the alternative remedies. You know I like herbs and stuff and I and I Dr Schultz is, I love that Dr Schultz is. He's got some really, really powerful formulas that that really work well and and and. So you know, like I have that cayenne right there, the cayenne tincture that I use all the time and so. But you know, there's nothing better than doing your own research and and finding out alternative remedies. You told me earlier today that you used to, you used to teach speed reading and and and and. So this, this book, that this thing is taken from. I mean he said that he read that in about 15 minutes and and it's quite a large book.

Speaker 4:

Okay, you know I had taught speed reading when I took the course Evelyn Wood reading dynamics and JFK Kennedy took that course and it became public knowledge. And the next thing, you know, everybody wanted to learn speed reading and I was one of the youngest instructors. And, and you know, the important thing is to be able, if you have highly technical material, to be able to slow down for absorption and if you have light you know, a novel or something like that to go faster to, to vary your speed According to the difficulty of the subject matter.

Speaker 3:

Mmm, yeah, I could see that, because some stuff is just dry and and it's and it's hard to let it sink in.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, yeah, it is. But getting back to the, the health aspect, I, if you want to have some fun, go to doc, to go to a dinner where there are a lot of doctors and notice how sickly they look. Oh yeah, they look terrible.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and and I was looking at this, this, this chart here, this Like these bags under your eyes and stuff like that you know I use. It's amazing how many people you see with bags under their eyes. They say that's from lack of sleep, but obviously it's more than just lack of sleep then, isn't it?

Speaker 4:

Well, there's a correlation when you are not sleeping In characteristic leader upright, and if you're upright, your kidneys are not receiving the circulation that they would if you were laying prone. Oh, really, and so and so you see the circles under the eyes and they reflect kidney function. But of course they also reflect staying up, because when you stay up you're standing up or you're sitting up right.

Speaker 4:

So if you examine closely the, the, the diagnosis, the Chinese diagnosis is like 95% accurate. Every time I think that Chinese diagnosis is not accurate. Guess what it's me? I mean, I'm making a mistake. They're right on the money, they were right, but you're reading it wrong. They were right and I was reading it wrong. I found that the way. You know, I started studying this in 1973. Wow, so that's 50 years? Wow, and for 50 years I found them to be just absolutely remarkably accurate.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, well it's. It's encouraging. I don't really have any of those issues that you're talking about there, but it's amazing how you do notice those things and other people, though, for sure.

Speaker 4:

Oh, absolutely, and you can tell when somebody's healthy and you can tell when they're really not, not, not well, right, there was another one here that I wanted to show everybody.

Speaker 3:

I'm just trying to think of where it is. Oh, it's right here. This is an email that somebody sent me talking about people texting and how their neck it causes their posture. It affects their posture and that can certainly affect you, and it can cause all sorts of issues. Like it says here, it can cause asthma, allergies, high blood pressure, multiple sclerosis. I know you know, is that something or what? Do you have anything that you'd like to make comments?

Speaker 4:

about Fascinating. Not six weeks ago I had noticed how many people have. They're starting to develop a dowager's hump, you know, like a hump right at the top of their shoulders, because they're leaning forward, texting or writing or on their telephone all the time. And I mentioned it to my sister who had that, and I told her that I was starting to practice the ancient Japanese art of kendo, where they take the sword and they hold it with two hands oh, I've seen you doing that and they raise it up and then they bring it down. And they raise it up and they bring it down. Well, that sword is pretty heavy too.

Speaker 3:

The sword is giving you some good exercise.

Speaker 4:

Well, it stands you right up straight. The next thing, I knew my posture was better. Oh really, my balance was better.

Speaker 3:

And that sword's pretty heavy. Oh yeah, that thing's got a weight, probably a bit of 10 pounds it's quite heavy.

Speaker 4:

it really is, yeah. So I told my sister about it. She's a nurse practitioner. She said I'm going to practice. She looked around her house and she couldn't find anything to use as a sword. But she found a pool noodle Pool noodle. So I said all right, you have to practice pool noodle kendo. So she started and she said, yeah. Two days later she said much of the pain and stress and discomfort in her upper neck and shoulders had really resolved itself. So I recommend that people do some kind of vigorous exercise that is bilaterally symmetrical, left and right and back and forth, and to bring that spine. It's critical to have a spine that's in alignment, absolutely critical.

Speaker 3:

Yeah Well, I don't do that much stuff on my phone, you know, I do it on my computer and so I don't know that I really have that kind of an issue, but I've seen it in other people, Like some people have what do they call it? Scoliosis?

Speaker 4:

They have scoliosis. Yeah, the saying is as let back as it's crooked as a dog's hind leg. Yeah, that's scoliosis. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3:

And some people it's not too obvious, but I've heard that as they get older it becomes more and more obvious.

Speaker 4:

Well, as you age, the discs deteriorate and you lose height and you get shorter. Then you really start to have problems if you have scoliosis.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I know, and I have been. I'm not sure that I'm getting shorter. I mean, I put my sister-in-law's homemade comfy sav on my back whenever I have an issue and I can feel it swelling up in there, you know. So the discs seem to come back with that stuff.

Speaker 4:

But you can experience the optimal human experience. You do the best you can. The Chinese say there's five factors that have to do with health. Number one is proper food. Number two is proper exercise. Number three is proper mental attitude. Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 4:

Number four is well what was it Mental attitude, food, exercise and getting an occasional chiropractic adjustment or acupuncture treatment or massage or shiatsu or something like that. That makes a big difference and it's really essential. If you are stressed, like our modern day lifestyle is stressful, go to a chiropractor or go to massage therapist and say work the kinks out for me. Yeah, you know it makes a big difference.

Speaker 3:

You were telling me a story about your son earlier today, about he had he had this cancer because of stress and because of oxidative stress he was born with cancer. Tell me that story again. I think that is just brilliant.

Speaker 4:

Well, it was back in the 1983, 1984 era when I was reading books on free radical pathology theory, and, as you know, free radicals are quenched by vitamins. You have sulfoxide, hydroxyl, singlet, oxygen. All these things circulate through your body. Have you ever seen a hose on a radiator in a car? Oh yeah, when they're old, do you see how they're cracking?

Speaker 3:

all that they get cracked. Yeah, right in the break after a while.

Speaker 4:

That's free radical damage, and the same thing goes on inside of your body, except you have vitamins and things that act as antioxidants.

Speaker 3:

That's interesting. I never really thought of that. I figured it was basically. But yeah, you're right, it would be free. It's oxygen free. Radical is a oxygen atom that's free and wants to combine with something, and it combines with anything it can. And so, yeah, that would be free radical damage. You're right, I never thought of it that way. But you're right, that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 4:

Well, when you apply free radicals to human tissue, then you say there's free radical pathology. And you know how white blood cells kill bacteria. They put hydroxyl on them. They put what do you call it? Hydroxyl, hydroxyl, and it dissolves them.

Speaker 3:

Oh, really yeah, so it's basically something that attacks free radicals then Is that?

Speaker 4:

Well, your body uses a free radical solvent in order to attack bacteria and kill them. Oh, is that right?

Speaker 3:

That's interesting. So tell us about your son. What happened? He had this cancer and you started telling us about that.

Speaker 4:

Well, he was, my wife and I weren't getting along and there was a lot of stress. And with stress there comes adrenal hormones and adrenal hormones are extremely pro-oxidative. They cause oxidation and he was born with something called histiocytosis X, which is a form of immune disease. And I thought, you know, he's not going to make it. And so most people die like that, don't they? They, most of them do.

Speaker 4:

So I hit the books and with my reading skills I studied everything I could. I read everything I could in Western medicine, Eastern medicine, free radical pathology theory, orthomolecular psychiatry, you name it. I studied it and overall I put together a formal model and I said at the basis of everything ultimately is free radical pathology. And so I began feeding him large amounts of food with antioxidants cooked carrots, vitamin C, lemons, oranges, grapefruit and I gave him greens and things like that. And I included some synthetic ant, uh and accidents that you won't run across di-loral fire but died by the appropriate diopropionic acid, uh, mutilated hydroxy anisol, mutilated hydroxy toluene all of these very powerful synthetic and accidents to quench free radicals. And I made his food and I'm in plenty of brown rice and good, and I made sure he got some of the synthetic and accidents in over the years he survived and he did very well.

Speaker 4:

He became, he literally a world-class athlete. And years later his brother, who was in medical school in second year, came to me and said dad, my brother had hounds, christian showers disease. He had you know this horrible disease, but he survived. What did you do? And I said you're the only person who recognize that I was responsible for the year brother surviving. And I'd said it was free radical pathology theory. I applied it and the end result was he did extremely well.

Speaker 3:

that's amazing, uh, and so, uh, yeah, that that is amazing. So that's again, uh, speed reading I'm sure came in handy because, uh, you know, when you're, when you got a young family, you, you you're pretty busy with taking care of the kids and doing everything else that has to be done, and so, I.

Speaker 4:

I start with a speed reading and I let my wife change the diapers. I told her I had something more important to do?

Speaker 3:

yeah, no doubt, uh, anyway. So this is talking about sleeping posture and I can say that, uh, and that I agree with this a hundred percent. You need a good pillow, but you need to be in the right position. I think you'd just be comfortable, you know, and, and, uh, and, uh, and, and it'll probably take care of itself.

Speaker 4:

but uh, and then this one here is talking about had posture, and uh, and again, as being a chiropractor, you probably would know a lot about this when you, when you look at the figure on the left, that person standing straight up the earhole that you hear in is right over the tip of the shoulder, is right over the tip of the hip. That is excellent posture. The it's significance of that is, if you look at the person on the right, can you see how, when they breathe, the movement of their ribs would be impaired?

Speaker 3:

yeah, really yeah. They wouldn't be able to take in a real good deep breath, would they can't?

Speaker 4:

they can't take in a real full, deep breath, and they were all. They suffer from a relative high-poxy and not enough oxygen and it's a stress because they're always trying to breathe, trying to breathe, trying to breathe. Their skeletal structure is working against them right interesting so proper, proper posture is very, very important, very important.

Speaker 3:

so this is doctor joe's website optimal human experience. Uh, and I would encourage people if they have any issues that they're just concerned about generalized health, I'm sure that he would uh, you know, give them some tips, or I'll bet you there's a lot of stuff on your website for generalized health tips and things like that I've got fourteen, I believe, uh podcasts recorded or really, and I'm about to really go to work recording things about uh serotonin.

Speaker 4:

People have serotonin problems. Serotonin is derived from tryptophan. That's the precursor. Tryptophan is in grass-fed beef, but there's no tryptophan in corn, which means that if you eat beef that is predominantly corn-fed, you're not going to have enough tryptophan and you won't be able to produce enough serotonin oh really so.

Speaker 4:

That's why the depression and all that stuff. Well, you have, the entire civilian population is borderline depressed, if not out and out depressed. I gave some grass-fed beef to a person who was depressed. Fifteen minutes later they would look like you or I. I was shocking wow, is there?

Speaker 3:

is there visual evidence in their face or anything like that?

Speaker 4:

you know. When people are, you know, healthy, they have a certain pink glow about them and when they're not, they have a gray kind of power. You can tell when people are aging because they start looking more and more gray and they get a deaffrentation phenomenon in their brain. Their brain doesn't work as well.

Speaker 3:

They start to get go into cognitive decline right, you always hear about these people who have dementia and stuff well, I have a story about dementia what is it?

Speaker 4:

a fellow brought me his wife one time and he said I think my wife has dementia. I want you to give her a full, thorough, complete and exhaustive neurological exam. So I said, alright, we'll examine the cranial nerves and everything you know. So I examined all the cranial nerves and I went to him and I said I can't find anything wrong. He said what do you mean? I said she's normal, all women are like that. And she didn't want to hear that. You know, I have to tell the truth. We're going to work with serotonin and I'm going to give explicit instructions on how to improve your serotonin.

Speaker 3:

We're going to work with dopamine, which is involved in motivation so these are upcoming podcasts you're going to be putting up on your channel, on your on your website. Now, these are not youtube videos, are they?

Speaker 4:

no, I don't believe so they're.

Speaker 3:

They're going to be right on my on the optimal human experience okay, okay, because that takes up a lot of memory and requires bandwidth, especially if a lot of people start watching those videos and stuff like that. You know, that's why I like using youtube. Of course, you have to be politically correct. I don't think we've done anything that's not politically correct today. But, uh, but you have to be politically correct or youtube will take your videos down. They've taken my channel down twice.

Speaker 3:

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, you're, you're controversial. Yeah, yeah, so, but, but so, um, at any rate, uh, so, uh, I've been trying to talk joe into uh getting a youtube channel going, because then he could upload more podcasts, but in the meanwhile, he does have them on his website right here, podcasts and videos, and so I would recommend you check them out because I think you'll find them enlightening. And uh, some really good, you know, basic common sense ideas on on what you can do to improve your health. And to you gotta just think outside the box and and and do your own research and and, uh, I, I always do my own research and I have people like contact that if I have any questions. But uh, uh, is there anything else you'd?

Speaker 4:

like to say, joe, I absolutely guarantee you, if you get a little information on how to improve your serotonin levels, your epinephrine door north and effort dope mean oxytocin all these things are going to make a profound improving in your at life and help, and my goal is to help everyone experience the all. Yes to more human experience, optimal human experience and it's all natural. That's what I like to work with.

Speaker 3:

You know, I've always had the idea that you create your own reality, and so if things are real dreary, I mean it's hard to be optimist, and when things are, but I don't know that I really do anything that improves my serotonin. But I'm into like I use. I take vitamins. I have packets of vitamins. Joe sees them here next to my laptop.

Speaker 4:

The desk is strewn with nutritional supplementation. You don't do much to no, no, that's right.

Speaker 3:

I do quite a bit of that, and so You're pretty cheerful most of the time. Oh, yeah, sure, I don't notice that. I don't consider myself depressed at all, if anything, I just get mad Right right.

Speaker 4:

Oh, I've never seen you happier than when you're writing your legal documents with the expectation that they'll cause this consternation, and when they're received.

Speaker 3:

There you go and there's nothing like a good belly laugh. You know I mean that just is food for the soul. You know is just to have a. And when Joe sometimes he cracks his jokes and stuff like that, that just gets me going. I'll tell you.

Speaker 4:

Well, you know why Jewish people never get cancer? No, why? Well, because they're all acidic. Hasidic, you have to have a certain alkaline base, but they're all acidic.

Speaker 3:

Hasidic though right.

Speaker 4:

So God bless America.

Speaker 3:

All right. Well, thanks for watching everybody and check out Joe's website and if you have any comments or something, I can pass them on to him. Anyways, take care and thanks for watching.

Speaker 1:

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