Ever felt lost in the dark woods of life's transitions? Then, this podcast is for you. Join us as we take a deep dive into the world of life changes, discomfort, and turning anxiety into a guiding light. We share personal experiences and insights from navigating the unknowns of life. We touch on the wisdom imparted by my father about finding the 'pinpricks of light' in times of uncertainty and how Pinochet's advice can convert our fears and anxieties into guiding beacons.
Ever heard of 'eating the frog'? We unravel this intriguing concept, a productivity hack that encourages tackling the most daunting task first thing in the morning. We also delve into the law of attraction and the omnipotent universe that aids in manifesting our dreams. We explore the potency of discomfort, the catalyst for change, leading us to progress and not stagnation. Hold on tight as we shift gears into the magical realm of manifestation, contrasting the profound difference between thinking like a magician and indulging in magical thinking.
We round out this episode with an honest discussion about acknowledging our strengths and weaknesses. We share anecdotes about how embracing change, even when it means venturing into unfamiliar territories, is a vital part of personal evolution. Just like magicians, we encourage you to trust yourself and see the possibilities beyond what you initially thought possible. Because the truth is, change is always a part of our journey and understanding this can help you create your own world, tailored to your strengths and weaknesses. Tune in and get ready to move forward with us, towards a life of progress and positivity.
Angie Shockley mindfulangie@gmail.com
Dave Gold dave@davegold.com
Ever felt lost in the dark woods of life's transitions? Then, this podcast is for you. Join us as we take a deep dive into the world of life changes, discomfort, and turning anxiety into a guiding light. We share personal experiences and insights from navigating the unknowns of life. We touch on the wisdom imparted by my father about finding the 'pinpricks of light' in times of uncertainty and how Pinochet's advice can convert our fears and anxieties into guiding beacons.
Ever heard of 'eating the frog'? We unravel this intriguing concept, a productivity hack that encourages tackling the most daunting task first thing in the morning. We also delve into the law of attraction and the omnipotent universe that aids in manifesting our dreams. We explore the potency of discomfort, the catalyst for change, leading us to progress and not stagnation. Hold on tight as we shift gears into the magical realm of manifestation, contrasting the profound difference between thinking like a magician and indulging in magical thinking.
We round out this episode with an honest discussion about acknowledging our strengths and weaknesses. We share anecdotes about how embracing change, even when it means venturing into unfamiliar territories, is a vital part of personal evolution. Just like magicians, we encourage you to trust yourself and see the possibilities beyond what you initially thought possible. Because the truth is, change is always a part of our journey and understanding this can help you create your own world, tailored to your strengths and weaknesses. Tune in and get ready to move forward with us, towards a life of progress and positivity.
Angie Shockley mindfulangie@gmail.com
Dave Gold dave@davegold.com
Good morning world and welcome to the second edition of our new podcast. And I am back in my house with internet and Angie is at another beautiful location, but not the beautiful occasion. It's your normal home. So everyone in the land where you're where's Waldo? Here's Angie's t-shirts. Where's it?
Speaker 2:Today. Today I'm actually on Lake Guntersville in Guntersville, Alabama, and I'm here because I'm working with a designer here in Tilery on developing all of the beautiful, wonderful interiors and exteriors of an upcoming project that I'm a part of called the Canaan Valley Spa and Wellness Center. I'm a little out of my comfort zone. I'm definitely not an interior or exterior designer, but I definitely know what I like and the feel of things and it's a pretty amazing process. Yeah, I came down to Alabama from West Virginia with my good friend Glenda, who's also part of this project, and we're going to be spending another day today with Karen Tilery.
Speaker 1:Well, ok, well, you go over there galvaning, building, building your empire I thought it was up all night, no, and say wrestling. I was communing with it, with some insights, and to the point where I was just so spaced out I forgot we're recording today. But then, once I finally pulled my act together, I thought oh, my God, this is such a perfect, such perfect fodder for what we're doing in terms of transitioning to the unknown and I just a brief summary from my perspective is that what Angie and I would, angie and I are living, and what we're living in terms of our own lives and the people whose lives we are affected and connected to, is we're transitioning, but we're not just like transitioning from one known to another mostly known. We're transitioning from a seeming, we're transitioning into something that we probably don't know at all and only think we know, and that's the beautiful. That's beautiful, that's life. That's when life gets better than you can imagine, because you're, if you knew it, you could imagine it. If you can't imagine it, it's better than you can imagine. Anyway, I'm battling, ok, anyway, so, so set this up and then, and again, angie doesn't know what I'm going to talk about and doesn't even know if I'm going to stop family and talk about anything intelligent, but you bear with me because I'm going to be there in just a second. So, as Angie well knows somebody may know most of you probably don't is I am a co-founder of business and Angie has been quite a pioneer in piloting what we're doing and supporting what we're doing in our multi-dimensional ways.
Speaker 1:And I found myself as a 71 years old basically running a business with help, and I'm finding myself not really enjoying running a business all that much. I love being an entrepreneur, but yesterday we're working on pitch decks and we're working on collateral and writing stuff and it was just Fortunous and hell, angie. Neither one of us are strangers to hard work or powering through things we don't want to do. I just called the zoom meeting I had was called eating the frog, because that's what I'm doing. I'm just eating one frog after another, getting all our stuff out of the way. But I just took such a toll on me, angie. I just, during the period and I think that's part of the reason I was up on I just got so aggravated, forcing myself to do things that I didn't want to do and then, at the same time is a juxtaposition my friend, jay Ball, who I think might have met, and one of my former business partners and someone I love working with. He's a genius. There's some opportunities coming the way or way to do to work with him it was one of my best friends and most amusing people would be with and brilliant but also to do something I really love to do, which is basically catalyze businesses rather than run them. That's what I'm really good at. I'm really good at helping make stuff happen, anyway. So that's more about my life. You want to be just a part, and here's what applies to to.
Speaker 1:The unknown is one thing that my father talked about. He said move to the pinpricks of light. There's always a pinprick of light and this is important. When you're transitioning to the unknown, you might not get a whole picture. Oh, my goodness, you know this is an opportunity. This seems to be where the light is and I can follow this little pinprick and even though it seemed, the unknown just seems black out there, right, you can still follow this pinprick to that. And something that Pinochet said I hope you and I listen to every morning Talked about yesterday was, he said, the importance of you call it juxtapositions, that all of the anxiety and fear of uncertainty.
Speaker 1:Those are all gifts, because they show you where not to look.
Speaker 1:And so you got a juxtaposition that I don't juxtaposition is you got pinpricks of light and then you've got the stuff that you seem like.
Speaker 1:Why do I have all this anxiety? Doing this I want to do because it's showing me where I don't want to go. So, in terms of one, just saying generally this and I'm going to stop talking, of course, charlie, over to you in a second is just the navigation into the unknown, transitioning into the unknown, as you have 10 pricks of light and you have the stuff that you don't want to do, and then I'll throw one more piece in there. Then see, this whole thing is that trusting yourself, that as you navigate this process, you become allergic to more and more things that you don't want to do, and you can start trusting that more and more. And I noted that with you when we're talking about your next step. How are you way through? We're past the point where we can need to prove that we're good soldiers and we'll strap it on and we'll do things we hate because that's our duty. So, anyway, it's a whole lot of stuff and I am throwing it over to you and Albani and Albani.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a lot to unpack and take a step at a time.
Speaker 1:But I'm sorry I fire first. Everybody Pick one little step and we'll go with it.
Speaker 2:I think I actually think that the fire hose, shot gun approach is probably a pretty good one for this, and the timing is always perfect. We know that and I trust that you trust it. I know a lot of our listeners are learning to trust that timing is perfect and so hearing you talk about that, your awareness is in. I'm sorry you were up all night and wrestling with all these things, but I think it does make great fodder for what we want to grow with this podcast, and into the unknown seems to be a great option for a title. Maybe we can chew on that one a little bit later. But I think probably the first thing that I want to talk about is because there were lots of little things, but let's talk about the pinpricks for just a minute. So you talk about the pinprick, the things that where the light's coming through. Let me stretch that metaphor a little bit. For our listeners and our watchers, that pinprick is you've got the great unknown because you're in a transition phase in your life, whatever that transition is, and I'm working with a lot of people who are in transitions right now. We mentioned this on our last podcast. There are a lot of folks in transitions for a lot of reasons. So there is that time and that awareness of you don't know what's over the hill. You don't know, you can't look into the future and go this is what it's going to look like. You can't make a plan for it because you don't know, but what you can see are those pinpricks. There's little beams of light that come into that darkness, into that unknown, and those little beams of light gets you excited and make you feel comfortable and make you feel excited and creative and they get the creative juices flowing and those are the things that you're like. Yes, I want more of that, and so that is just a little bit of an opening into that darkness of whatever's next in life. And you've been through many transitions. You've talked about them on this podcast.
Speaker 2:I've been through a lot of transitions in my life and some of my transitions have been within the same kind of tunnel. I just went from one iteration to another iteration of doing the same work and I think in some ways, that's what my life's going to be. But it's also a huge transition to go from doing one thing like, for example, in my past, working for another company and doing the kind of work that I do now and then starting a business and working for myself, and I probably have been an entrepreneur my whole life, didn't know it, and so that was a huge transition for me. When I'm like, oh, I really like developing businesses, and that's something you and I have in common. I love the building piece, I love building the business, I love watching it grow, I love all the new things, all the creatives, the front end of all of it. I love that part of it, and then I don't get so excited about the day-to-day operations. That's where I start to get a little bored and so I start creating other things, and so then my world becomes chaotic, but that's where I thrive.
Speaker 2:So for everybody, transitions are different. They look different, they're. For some people, they're really incredibly hard, and even when you're transitioning to something that is so exciting that you love, with everything in you, it can still be very hard to make that change. So those pinpricks are really important. Those are the little beams of light that come in when you feel like you're stuck, and whether it's in the middle of the night because you can't sleep, or in a dream state, you know a lot of.
Speaker 2:I know a lot of people who will have a dream of what they want life to be.
Speaker 2:That's a pinprick, because that gives you a little bit of a window into.
Speaker 2:It could be like this it doesn't have to be like this, and that doesn't mean that where you are now is bad, or where you're going is scary or any of those things.
Speaker 2:It just means that you're on your soul's journey and that soul's journey is going to take a turn, and so how do you navigate that turn? And so that that's the first thing I wanted to highlight, and then the second thing is you talking about the things you don't like to do, eating the frogs. There are always going to be those things we don't want to do, and so how many of those things are the things that we have to do because we're making this transition, and how many of those things are things that we can hand off to other people? And so I would say that most of the people that I'm working with right now are that are doing these big life transitions, are at a place in their lives where they have a support system around them whether it's their own business that they've developed and it's their company, or if they are making a transition from working in one field to working in another field, there are still.
Speaker 2:They're at a point in that leadership process where there's a support system there that they can be delegating to or utilizing. And then there's a third category of the people, and I think this might be where you are, dave is where you're developing this new company and you've got a good team, but your support system is not really tiered up yet. You don't really have that support system tiered up yet. And so the tough thing is because I, for my listeners, I know a lot about what Dave's doing, because I do believe in what he's doing in the company and, yes, I have become one of the whether you all call me the OG, yeah, you're the OG, I'm part of the Cube OG, but it's a new company and so it's okay. How much of the stuff that I don't like to do am I going to have to do? Because we don't have that. We don't have a company system that is going to support everything where I can delegate all of this. So all of those are very real hard transitions in life, and some specifically about where you are and I'll throw out one more thing. That'll be four points from me, but this one is just more about transitions in general and the parents that I work with a lot of the parents that I work with right now are transitioning from the parent managers of kids no matter neurotypical, neurodiverse, whatever the raising children has been and they're transitioning to that. There's been the name Empty Nets put on it for a long time and I'm not sure how I feel about that term, but they just give our listeners an idea of where people are is that they're no longer focused so much on raising kids and managing the process of raising a kid. And so what does that look like? What does that transition look like? It is a big percentage of the people that I work with every day that are facing these types of transitions.
Speaker 2:We've talked before about how we get caught in the triangle, the unholy trinity. We've talked about that so much, and those concepts come into play in these transition times because we will stay where we're comfortable, even if it's not good for us, because the fear of the unknown is so great and I see people getting stuck. It's just, it's overwhelming, it's too much, I don't know how to do it, and so they don't take those steps to make those transitions, even if they see those Ben Pricks, and they know, man, if I could go to that light, it would create something wonderful in my life and I would feel better. But the fear is something that gets in the way. Something else that I see happening is not so much fear but overwhelm, and that might be where you were last night of oh my God, I don't want to eat these frogs anymore, and so I may have to just stop where I am because I'm just not going to do this anymore. And so it and I know you well enough to know you're going to navigate this, you're going to find a way to get through it, you'll figure it out and it'll be all. It'll be wonderful, right, but it's going to take time and you might have more sleepless nights.
Speaker 2:But I know a lot of people that they have, for 18, 19, 20, 24 years, been a certain person managing a certain process in their lives, and what's happened is, if their kids have been the central focus of that time, everything else in their lives their career, businesses, if they own them, their family, everything has fit into the same little meat box and you want to put a bow on it and make it a pretty little box, right, it was no matter what the challenge has been. And so now To transition into something else, you have to blow that box to smithereens, and man, is that overwhelming, though the anxiety that can come along with that is so huge. The people get paralyzed and they don't do anything, or they revert back to old behaviors and old patterns, because that's what they know. And so then they're trying to make this shift into a new phase of life using all the same old fact-making pattern that they've had for all these years. And it doesn't always work, it doesn't always translate. So I'll set up and pass the back over to Dave.
Speaker 1:But you said you didn't know if you really record today.
Speaker 2:It was then and understate.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's funny because you touched on something. I was thinking a few minutes back that I was talking to someone about suffering and I said, look, you just don't want to gratuitously suffer. You suffer as much as you can suffer, but don't suffer just for the sake of suffering. So if you're going to, you're going to have discomfort, no matter what Discoit. Now, not always there's quite. Life is going to present uncomfortable situations and you're going to experience its comfort and it's going to be part of the process good, bad and different. And what I realized? There's the discomfort of looking into the unknown. That's in discomfort, it's there and it's so many of us shrink, we recoil, that's the word I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:We have to recoil from that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there's a recoil from that, and instead what we do is we choose the suffering that we know, which is doing the same thing over and over again, because it makes us feel like we're in control or at least we suffer, right, yeah, so what I was thinking of when you were talking is that one that, hey, if you're going to have the discomfort, take the discomfort that has to lead somewhere, rather than discomfort that just sends you back in there, and so there's just something. Okay, look when we're another there's, I'm going to get, there's a way through this and the other. Is that what you and I? And it's. I think it's part of the blessings of our lives and the blessing where life has put us, that we can not just sound smart and give good advice, but use our life as a model. Is that when I took two or three or four steps into this comfort last night and I thought it wasn't just like I was and I just take my mind, which is processing this and I needed that and I wanted to, it wanted to get to fruition with this thing, was that I love being the catalyst.
Speaker 1:And guess what's happened? I had four. Sunday, I wrote four proposals to be catalyst. None of them that I solicited. All people who just came to me with opportunities. So somehow just stepping in, enough of saying yes, you say yes, enough that the universe says yes back to you. That is the big leap. The big leap is that first we talk about eating the fraud for people who aren't familiar with that. The idea is you get the worst part of the day out earlier.
Speaker 1:That's what that is, and going back to the metaphor of eating animals that we don't want to eat, is how to eat an elephant? One bite at a time One bite at a time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the same things. Look, you just start taking those yes steps and just watch what life puts to you. And then I am seeing an unfortunate have Julie over here, who knows what it's like to live with a child, who gets all this excited ideas and built these empires. She can support me in that and also for my leash. I mean now that they put them for it.
Speaker 2:I didn't take the reality.
Speaker 1:But I see the picture and, interesting enough, what I'm seeing, the picture goes beyond me. I'm starting to see where oh, ryan, I knew, ryan, this is Ryan's. You know, I see my partners in this. Oh, what I'm actually leaning into isn't the first thing you thought is I'm going to let these people down. I'm not a good soldier, I'm not a good man.
Speaker 1:Once you stop looking at that through that lens of what other people are going to say, or old tapes you haven't yet we say no, this is beautiful. This is just accelerating the time table for Ryan, who's half my age, to take over to take this position. So with all that, I guess the points are one that choose a discomfort. I choose a discomfort which is leading to ease and opportunities and evolution in the future, rather than going back in the old ones and the two that life will reward your yes, it will meet you with the yes, but you have to discover that with yourself. Don't take our work. Yeah, and I can't remember whatever. The next third thing?
Speaker 2:was the third one was great. But anyway back to you.
Speaker 2:Well, yes, all of that is true, and it's always interesting to me how, no matter what our focus is whether we're talking about challenging children, extraordinary parents or extraordinary people making challenging life transitions however we look at it, so many of the same concepts come into play. And you talked about the fear and needing to control it, because then we feel like we don't have to be afraid, and we've got a whole podcast on controls and illusion, and there is no such thing. We really don't have any control, and if we're spending all of our energy trying to control something, then we're just spiraling. We're just spiraling on the downside of the energetic vibration. Something else that you said is what you put out to the universe should get back, and that is so true. It's a law of attraction. But if we're putting out into the universe that all we're doing is eating the frog, getting the worst part of the day out first thing in the morning, which I want to come back to, because that's something I used to live by but if that's what we're putting out into the universe, then we're going to get more of that back to us. We really do have to live our lives and spend time really being aware of, as we're moving through a transitional phase, that we're already on the other side of it. What does it look like when that pinprick becomes a giant hole and the sunbeams coming down on it and we've created the life that we want to live? What does that feel like? What does that? How does that make you feel when you wake up and start your day doing something like that? Because the more that we focus on that feeling and that dream of what that is going to be, then the more we're telling the universe we're already there. So that law of attraction with the universe is very important, and it's not.
Speaker 2:Some people say can't live on dreams. I do. I live on dreams. I dream all the time. What is, what could this be like? And when I start working with people about these transitions, one of the first questions I ask is what do you? What do you want your day to feel like? Not what do you want to do, or who do you want to be, or where you want to live, but what do you want your days to feel like Because you have to start there. You don't want your days to feel like you're eating a frog all day long. We don't want that. The reality is there are going to be some days that we have to eat frogs.
Speaker 2:I hate accounting work. Hate it. Not good at it, it's not my strong suit. I have a really wonderful person, a couple people who are awesome at it and do a great job, but it's not something I love. But there are days that I have to go into that because it's my company, it's my business, it's my responsibility to make some of those choices and decisions. But also I'm really okay with taking advice from the people who know better than me, but that's not every day and that's not where I have my focus. Those are just things I have to do.
Speaker 2:So I think another thing that's important in this process is when we are trying to create, when we're trying to dream our lives into being, when we are in what I call co-creation with spirit or co-creation with God or co-creation with the universe, or however you want to say that we can't come from a place of lack, we can't come from a place that's never going to happen or something you talk about. I'm not good enough, I'm too old, I'm too young, I'm too this, I'm not enough. That, if we're coming from that place, that's fear, and fear is going to motivate us to try to control. Control is an illusion and we start that downward spiral. So the number one thing that you have to do in this whole process is take care of yourself. And so what are the things that are eating frogs for you? What is it you absolutely hate to do? Those are the things that cause you to not feel good, to not feel happy, content, peaceful, creative, energized, because those are all words that people say to me when I ask how do you want to feel? Those are all words that they use to describe what they want their days to feel like. Okay, so then how do we get to there? So what are the things that drain you? What are the things that drain your energy? What are the things that scare you? Where are the places where you're not strong? You're not great at those things? And how do we fill in those gaps? With people to help you, or training to help you, or whatever is needed to help fill those gaps in order for you to be able to focus on creating your dream right, what you want it to feel like every day. And I want to come back to the eating the frogs and doing all the hard stuff. First thing in the morning.
Speaker 2:I used to believe that I used to live my life that way, and part of it was because I grew up on a farm and the animals get taken care of before the people. And I still operate that way, like I take care, and I'm in Alabama, so I'm not around any of my animals. So somebody else is taking care of my animals right now and I'm very grateful for that. I'm grateful that I have people I can trust to do that right. But when I'm home, I take care of the animals before I take care of me. And I have people in my life and my wonderful husband being one of them who didn't grow up on a farm, who will often put the animals off until he does very four other things. And I have to be aware of my feelings with that because I'll get angry at him. And that's not anything for me to be angry about. It's a belief system that I was raised with, as you take care of the animals first. So, starting with that concept then it was get all your work done before you play. Get every that focus of you got to get work done. That's the most important thing. Get all the work done. And so I've noticed and I did it's not a conscious decision I made, but I would say over the last probably three years, that's not really how I live my life anymore, and it's don't I.
Speaker 2:I take time in the morning to enjoy whatever beautiful nature is around me. Maybe go for a walk first thing in the morning, maybe it's mid morning, maybe it's afternoon, but get out in nature. I journal, I will full Oracle or tarot cards for myself or other people. I have a Facebook group, a private Facebook group, and I take time to put things in that Facebook group to inspire people the rest of the day, and there's an energetic process for how I pick those things, and so these are things that fill my soul, these are things that make me happy. And you do the same thing. You're listening to Pinoche, you're doing you and Julie have your morning routine, and you don't start your day until later, and my day often starts at 530 in the morning. So Dave and I are not always on the same schedule with our day, but our process is pretty much the same, and so that may mean that I'm working at 10 o'clock at night, or it may mean that I work 530 in the morning and then by eight o'clock I'm doing my own thing.
Speaker 2:But forcing myself to live in that nine to five, eight to four, seven to three, whatever that world is, forcing myself to fit into that box, doesn't work for me. And it does work for me to start my day in a different way and make sure my focus is someplace else, and I think it's important for everybody to hear that's not every day. There are some days that I have to get up and hit the ground running. I have things to do first thing in the morning and I go do those things. Okay, you know that is gonna happen, and I also think that it's important that there I'm sure there are a lot of people going. I don't own my own business, so I can't set my own schedule and I have to be at work by 830 AM in the morning. And, yeah, absolutely, you do. So how do you find the system or find the process that works for you to allow you to be in that place of a higher frequency, that place of peace, that place of connectivity, self-awareness, so that you move through your day, regardless of what your day is, without feeling like you're eating a frog all day long?
Speaker 2:I think that is a really big part of this life transitions process that we started talking about is you can't just snap your fingers and change your life, except for the guy who won, however many billions 1.58 billion dollars last night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, life's gonna change, you know, but it's his environment that's gonna change. Is it gonna change who he is as a person? Is it gonna give him the opportunity to do things he's never done before? And how is he gonna transition from? I don't know what his job is, but let's or I don't even know if it's man or woman, but let's just say that it's someone who's been working a nine to five job in corporate America for 30 years and, all of a sudden, they won the lottery. And how did they transition to that? Everything we do is a big transition in life and none of them are easy, but there is a way through it, there is a good way through it, and it can be creative and fun and peaceful, and you learn so much about yourself on that journey and I just I think it's really important for people to know that.
Speaker 1:All right, let's see how much of my sleep deprived brain can remember that I wanted to respond to, because there's so much there. The first one is that the reason that so many people the reason that I watch myself feed frogs and I watch so many people that I work with, whether professionally or wherever, eat the frogs because they want to earn the right they feel I gotta earn, the right to relax, and so now they've attracted a life where they're eating frogs every morning because they can say, okay, eat the frog, check. Now I can go do check. So just unwinding that, realizing no matter what life presents you, if you still feel that you gotta earn, deserve, suffer whatever before you can get to that, doesn't matter what happens externally. So just that's a simple internal peeler process of recognizing, just recognizing that part of yourself and started to deconstruct that. Just really it's me. I'm doing it to myself, I'm internalizing my dad Eat the frog, don't play.
Speaker 1:We're all internalizing somebody else's voice. It doesn't do us any damage. I admit, keep, and there may be a point where you need that disappointing. You need that. But once you get the message, hang up the phone. The other thing that I thought of earlier when you first started and I'm gonna oh just to keep, because I think maybe one of the things we could do is to take one of the topics we do here and just do a 10 minute rift during a week.
Speaker 1:but we can just get into that and you can post that, because you were talking. I can't remember exactly what it was. It was about the universe coming back to you and, at the same time, we're working, and I think this is part of the life that's given both of us is we're both people that work. They're smart, we're grounded, you're grounded. What makes you so unbelievable when I first talked to you and all the other times about Abby was oh my God, here's a woman that sees unlimited possibilities it just sees possibilities for my daughter beyond what I could see, who's totally grounded in don't fall for this, don't fall for that. And the same thing. I've had deep spiritual stuff with the same kind of a trial where and I think one of the topics I'd like to talk about and I think we might have mentioned this as a throwback earlier give us between thinking like a magician and magical thinking.
Speaker 2:It's a great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a great difference and I love let's talk 10 minutes on your ride back from Alabama. Let's just rift on that and enough to say that, and this is something Julie's really good at vectoring the in on, even though I'll take the trademark for the phrase that it's like oh it's all gonna work out.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's so great. This person came out of life. I got four proposals. I'd like to tell him you this, and then, in which case you just you're in the clouds and you're just completely in the clouds and at the same time, anyway. So enough said, but let's bookmark that, because I think we've just done it without knowing it. That's the, and you're not gonna do it, except going too far in one direction or the other. Well, you did the magical thinking and you fall on your face, whatever you find out. This happened to me a long time ago. I found that I was in a Ponzi scheme. Instead of instead of oh my God, this person's too good to be true, right, what you were thinking again, versus just thinking, oh my God, I'm in this company, we're building this company together. It's a 10 year slog. You know, I gotta do this. In which case, the magic that's knocking at my door trying to pound and let it unlock, it, open the door for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's great. Yeah, definitely, let's do that. I got a lot of thoughts about that. You wanna get rolling now?
Speaker 1:Experts at it. You know we're experts at it. So I don't know where else to go, except you're living it and I will watch. It's a little bit more apparent for you because I just watch you go from one incredible experience to the next incredible experience to the next incredible, while you're feeding the damn chickens and dealing with all of these things. But it's so obvious watching you, that life is just presenting, it's doing both to you. It's giving you the pinpricks of light which are getting to be more like shafts of life. Because every time you take it you're down there in Alabama this thing which is an idea now you're picking out wallpaper or whatever it is.
Speaker 1:It's because you took a, it's all. I'm sure you get in some shamanic standpoint. It's just I hate to use word manifesting it but you're operationalizing it in a way because you've taken the step in and you really co-create it by the steps that you're taking. Yeah, it's real, I think.
Speaker 2:When you use the term manifesting and I mean that's another riff. We could talk about manifesting, because it's a buzzword these days manifest your best life, all those kinds of things. We could talk about that, because manifesting is a process and you have a responsibility in manifesting. Manifesting is not sitting back on your hindquarters and waiting for the universe to give you $1.58 billion. It's there's. He still had to buy a lottery ticket. There's always something you have to do, right. So that's another whole thing we could talk about, and I lost my train of thought on the other one.
Speaker 2:But the magical thinking fee being a magician versus being a magic, having magical thinking. I think that's an important concept and we could talk a lot more on that, but I just want to touch on it from my perspective, because I always tell people you can dream your life into what you want it to be. You manifest your best life by dreaming it into being, and that may sound like magical thinking, but it is more being a magician. And so how do you become a magician? And that, if I had to say what do I do when I'm coaching people through transitions, that might be it. It's teaching them how to be magicians in their own lives And-.
Speaker 1:This is great. This is really. I know we've been, I've been really good on interrupting you, but I think, we just hit on something there.
Speaker 1:You know what I think. Well, I think there's a whole theme that you hear. You think, oh my God, yes, that's what I've been doing, and part of it, too, that I've noticed is you get the pinpricks of light coming, but also your allergies to the stuff you don't do. Well, get strong. And we think, oh my god, this, oh my doing, roll up, I shouldn't be struggling with writing a damn pitch deck. I yeah, thinking it's something wrong with me, but no, it's the same gift that it's giving you. Being where you are right now is the gifts. I can't stand doing that damage.
Speaker 2:I don't care, whatever it is it hold?
Speaker 1:and I think that's part of the formation or the initiation process Mm-hmm into your apprenticeship, intimate into being a magician. It's just wrecking the stuff in your life. That doesn't feel right, is it wrong? You're not wrong. It doesn't mean you're off track. No, life is just gently. I just see it like like that Tucker's half border collared. I just watched it. It's just hurting me. They hurt you. Are I and G hurting us into this thing? Yeah, I know, think about you and I love so much about me. It's my same. I said about Julie, I love her and I love who she is. I feel it obviously for the same way about you. But when we get together, it's oh yes, and it's the beautiful thing about conversations. We know all this, but oh my, no, we're literally In. Which is literally I where articulating, say oh, so this is what the hell I'm up to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and one of the things I started working with gosh I don't even know in the Mid 90s was how people process information. What kind of learner are you like? How do you take the information in from the universe and then make it work in your own brain? And I learned that I'm an auditory processor and so that means that I talk a lot. I Will talk through things, and so conversation Bring clarity for me, right? So I am not a visual learner, and here I am meeting with a designer who's an incredible designer, and I'm so grateful for her to lay out all these things in front of me and go okay, she did it yesterday. She had a whole bunch of stuff laid out and said, okay, start eliminating things that you don't like, and that allowed me to be a part of a process that I know nothing about.
Speaker 2:That's important for me to be a part of, but not something that I need to feel like, oh my gosh, this is my project. I have to control this. I have to pick out all the wallpaper, I have to choose all the colors, I have to, and it's and I'm just using that as an example for everybody who's Creating something new. You've got to know where your strengths are and you've got to know how you process information so that you can. Then it's part of being a magician in your life. Because if you are Forcing yourself, if I'm forcing myself to pick paint colors and hold them up on a wall and try to make sure something matches Something else, oh my god, I'm gonna be miserable. And it's not because I don't love having something look beautiful. I love beauty. I love walking into a space or walking into nature and noticing all the different shades of green in these trees right here. I see them all and I love them all. I can't create them and I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna be able to.
Speaker 2:So if it's a project that you're working on and there's something that has to be done and it's something that's really hard for you as a person, you as a professional, you as a parent, you as whatever role you're in, don't force yourself to try to create that or force yourself to fit into that groove, because you have to control it, or you're not good enough, or you're letting down your team, or you're all these things. Just own it. It's own your shit. Own your shit because we all have it. We all have those things we're great at.
Speaker 2:We all have this thing that we're not gonna be well, and when we're in transition, because we're so afraid of that next thing, then we start to go oh gosh, I can't be weak, I can't not know that. I have to know that. I have to at least Sound like I know what I'm talking about. Those kinds of things and those are things that happen to us when we're young Professionals, and we all do it. I've done it, I'm sure you've done, I'm sure you did it. In course, I better sound like I know what I'm talking about, but there comes a point in time and my hope would be that for people who are in their 30s, who are listening to this, that they realize they don't have to know everything and it's much better and much more peaceful and much more a part of becoming a Magician to go Okay, what is it that I'm not good at and how do I feel those gaps?
Speaker 1:and even putting a fire. Recording on it is it's not. There's nothing wrong with me, because I don't like to count it my new. I remember I was jogging with my brother he's a phenomenal physician and when I was talking about being called to something higher, he said why you want it? You're really good at being a lawyer, you're really good at this. You're really good. That's it. Gordon, you'd be a great pharmacist. I Bet you'd be a kick-ass pharmacist, but you're a healer.
Speaker 1:It's the same way we, if we can't be, we can't be pros at everything there's. We're being called to our hires and this uses we're calling up, stuff's gonna fall away, mm-hmm, let's we personalize that as being something wrong with us Because something's falling away. And the more we start to recognize though Wait a second, this is unlike the old blooms, that like was where they would drop the weights, so that don't air hot, air blue, these are just things were dropping and to think, oh, my god, I kind of you don't have to hang on to that, and I think this is. I know we go on forever for not knowing what we're gonna talk.
Speaker 2:Well, I like the balloon. I like the balloon metaphor of the weights dropping off, because I think I know for me personally, that's been a tough one of, as I and, yes, I believe it is where we have a higher purpose. We can be the best version of ourselves and whatever that is, and that part of us that never comes into physical form, where our knowing is, our intuitive knowing is, and you know what we're called to do on this planet and we may do it in a hundred different ways, but there is something that we're called to do and being able to access that is really important. That's something else that I help people do and that I do for myself, and I know you've done it. And in order to really achieve that, there are things that have to fall away. There may be people that have to fall away. There may be jobs that have to fall away. There may be. If you're an entrepreneur, you may have to have some companies fall away. You may have friends fall away, and knowing that's all part of the journey and being able to accept that and lean into that, I think is really important, and I've always I reflect a lot on the people who've come into my life through the years, what that's looked like and who those people are and what they've brought to me and what I've brought to them.
Speaker 2:And that's something that I think about a good bit. And I've had some incredible people come into my life from the time I was little. That just taught me so much, and sometimes it was hard lessons, and sometimes it's just been them taking my hand and saying, hey, just come over here and take a look. And so there's one of those pinpricks that goes, oh man, life could be like that, right, but not all of those people are people that I talk to anymore or even know where they are anymore. They've fallen away from my life and I don't feel bad or good or I just know, I'm just accepting of that and I'm so grateful for the role that they played in my life while they were in my life.
Speaker 2:Jobs are like that. I've left several jobs in my life and most of the time I left a little too late. Yes, the journey is perfect, but if I look back and go, I could have left that job six months earlier, but I don't get into wow, I could be further along in my life if I had moved on, because everything that happened good, bad and ugly has helped me be the person that I am today and again. That's why I think people who are in their late 20s, early 30s, that are listening to this podcast and I hope you're out there and I hope you're really paying attention, because you can learn from the wisdom of those of us who have walked this journey for a long time and who are still walking it. I'm still in a transition. They've still in a transition.
Speaker 2:I have no idea what my transition is going to look like Within 2024, there's going to be a really awesome spa and wellness center that I'm going to be responsible for, and if I start going, oh my gosh, what day am I going to do that? I can't, there's no way I can, there's no way I can do that, and we're coming up on our trim. So my last thought and I'll obviously let Dave have the last word, but my last thought is the number one question that people ask me is how do you do everything that you do? And it's eating an elephant when invited to time, I do one thing at a time and I trust that the journey is going to be perfect, that the timing is going to be perfect, and that means if an hour this morning I have, an hour that's focused on recording this podcast, then that's where my attention is going to be, and when I leave this podcast, I'm going to drive up the road to Haley's and Huntsville, alabama, and I'm going to focus on cushions and upholstery and all those kinds of things until it's ready to go, focus on something else until it's time.
Speaker 2:And does it mean I forget stuff all the time? I forget things, I'm late for things, things fall through the cracks. But do I get a lot accomplished? Yes, I get a lot accomplished every day in my life and I continue to be forward on my journey. There is no such thing as going back and there is no such thing as putting a pause on your life. You are moving forward and living your life and creating your world every minute of every day that you're breathing, and so how do you want to show up for yourself, for your life, and how do you want to make a transition into something that feels amazing to live, rather than eating a frog every day?
Speaker 1:I'm not touching that. Angie, thanks for rolling with me. This was just spectacular, and the only thing I will say I have nothing to do with the content is that, as we're finding our way or feeling our way or being led on our way through this, if you hear listeners, viewers, if you hear stuff and say, oh wait, I want to hear more about that. We're at the formative stage, we're to co-creative process with you. So keep us, let us know, help guide us in terms of what you're pulling out of us, because that's all that's happening.
Speaker 1:I want to talk with you, responding to what you want, and we're finding the words to articulate it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right.