HUNTER REFROW, DEVIN WHITE AND OTHER POSSIBLE GAME CHANGERS COMING TO #RAIDERS #NFL #DRAFT

 In this engaging conversation, Raider Wil and his crew discuss the latest updates on the Raiders, including the signing of Devin White and the future of Hunter Renfro. They analyze the team's free agency moves, providing grades and insights on player performances. The discussion shifts to the upcoming NFL Draft, where the crew shares their ideal picks and strategies for the Raiders, emphasizing the importance of securing key positions and maximizing value in contracts. In this conversation, the hosts discuss various strategies for the upcoming NFL Draft, focusing on player predictions, particularly regarding Gentie and Jackson Dart. They delve into the implications of quarterback decisions and the overall needs of the team, emphasizing the importance of building a solid foundation. The conversation also touches on the impact of coaching on team culture and the community's engagement through upcoming events, highlighting the importance of unity within Raider Nation. 

 takeaways

• Devin White's signing is seen as a solid move for the Raiders.
• Hunter Renfro's past performance and potential return are hot topics.
• The crew believes in maximizing contract value for players.
• Free agency started rough but ended on a positive note for the Raiders.
• The importance of leadership and experience in new signings is highlighted.
• Fans are eager to see how the draft will unfold for the Raiders.
• The discussion emphasizes the need for a strong quarterback position.
• Travis Hunter is a highly desired pick if available in the draft.
• The crew values the ability to trade back in the draft for better opportunities.
• Overall, the Raiders' offseason is viewed with cautious optimism. Gentie is expected to be available at pick six.
• Moving back in the draft could risk losing key players.
• The Jets are seen as unpredictable in their draft choices.
• The team has multiple needs that must be addressed.
• Coaching has a significant impact on team culture.
• AOC is viewed as a potential future star under the right conditions.
• Community events are crucial for fan engagement.
• The upcoming draft party is a major event for fans.
• Building a solid offensive line is essential for success.
• Patience is needed as the team rebuilds.

 Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Team Updates
01:58 Devin White Signing Discussion
06:18 Hunter Renfro's Future with the Raiders
14:01 Free Agency Grades and Analysis
20:23 Draft Predictions and Scenarios
31:03 Draft Strategies and Player Predictions
34:37 Quarterback Decisions and Team Needs
39:12 Coaching Impact on Team Culture
43:57 Community Engagement and Upcoming Events

Transcript

Raider Wil (00:01.843)
What up, baby? It's your boy Raider Will. And I am here with my misfit crew. I got my boy, Matty B, representing TBH West Co. What up, baby?

CISCO KID (00:15.003)
Thanks.

Matty B (00:15.754)
What's up? What's up everybody? How's everybody doing?

CISCO KID (00:20.662)
Well.

Raider Wil (00:21.193)
Got my boy James representing the TBH military chapter. What up, baby?

James @tbh_military_chapter (00:30.634)
Let's go man. We we about four weeks out from the from the draft man. Let's go things are heating up man. It's time to start talking business business on the regular

Raider Wil (00:42.143)
Let's go and yo again this man needs no introduction a true OG of the black hole. We got the Cisco kid. What up, baby?

CISCO KID (00:48.058)
you

CISCO KID (00:57.755)
What's going on, fam? What's going on? Good to see everybody.

Raider Wil (01:01.565)
Yes, sir. And, you know, I'm your boy Raider Will and I am the head of TBH West Co. and this show. And today we are going to answer, baby, what you guys think about Devin White coming over to the Raiders on this contract. I want to know Hunter Renfro, maybe back in the silver and black, baby. And then, hey, we know we got the six pick in the draft.

Matty B (01:01.96)
It's funny.

Raider Wil (01:29.791)
We're to go through some hypotheticals. We're going to go through your perfect one. And then, yo, let's talk a little bit black hole action, baby, because we got the best stuff coming out and we got some information coming out for you today. So stay locked in. All right, y'all. So like I said, Devin White comes over on a one year one point two to one point one point seven max.

$1 million contract, you know, for sure. Guaranteed. I want to know your thoughts on this move first. Yo, I'm going to start with my boy, the coach, Maddie B. Hit me up with your thoughts on this signing and on this movement.

Matty B (02:16.293)
I think it's a good signing. mean, we missed out on a couple other linebackers that we were shooting for, but he's still a solid player. He's up there in age. I think he's still got a little bit left in the tank. Not gonna say he's like a three, four year starter for us, but you know, he's still got some run stopping skills that are pretty decent. I mean, I think he's a little bit better.

I say he was a little bit better in like path coverage back in the day, but that's kind of fallen off a little bit for him, but pretty decent in my opinion. I like it.

Raider Wil (02:54.719)
Alright man, now I got the captain. the military chapter baby hit me with it.

James @tbh_military_chapter (03:03.918)
It's a great sign man, uh, Devin white Can you beat it? One one point seven five max deal for a guy that's only 27 This guy's got still about two three years from 30 Uh, you can't can you really beat it for a guy that has already won a super bowl ring? I already have some continuity with with tom brady in his own ways as a teammate I mean, come on, you can't can you can you really beat that kind of leadership? You're gonna be able to pay a guy

1.75 million to where the green dot. Oh man, you can't even you can't you can't even you can't even ask for a better scenario You can't even ask for a better scenario with that position in my opinion

Raider Wil (03:43.219)
Absolutely. Hey, let's talk to probably the oldest Raider fan here that has been with the team the longest and knows a lot of Raider legends that have played that position. Man, what do you see?

CISCO KID (03:57.467)
Man, I like it. I like it. I kind of looked at it like, now obviously playing style is pretty different, attitude pretty different, but I looked at it as kind of like when we just stacked up with Gruden the first time and Super Bowl bound, like you got a lot of key veteran, John Perella, Romo. So I put them up there, hopefully with that Romo mentality, you know, a good vet, solid, got the green dot, like you mentioned.

I think it's a solid pick, man. think, and you know, Carol knows how to hike dudes up, man. He's a player's coach. I think he's gonna add a little bit more juice in that dude's legs and mindset, man. I'm happy. That's a good pickup in my

Raider Wil (04:43.035)
Yo, James had been begging for lightning to strike. And let me tell you like this, baby, it just stroke struck Allegiant Stadium over there in Las Vegas. When we get a steal at a green dot linebacker. OK, again, the guy is 27 years old. Let me bring it back a little bit. You know, this guy was drafted right behind Clemen fair.

He's as young as Josh Jacobs 27 year old that has the attitude he might lost a step or two, you know Hey, you hit a funk You don't get the right coaching. You don't fit the right scheme last year. I get it He didn't play very much for Philadelphia and people are gonna say oh, you know, he's lost it guys. That's Philadelphia They won the super They were loaded on defense They played lights out dude

Do we forget what they did to Patrick Mahomes?

CISCO KID (05:44.729)
I was just about to say that. Just ask Patrick Mahomes.

Raider Wil (05:48.409)
Yeah, I'd be like and you're gonna get a guy that came from a defense that comes from a background like that fifth round pick a guy that's by tech, you know hand picked and we're getting him at one point seven five Get out of here man. Yes stealing. We're just stealing right now. I feel like with most starts Contract every guy's contract we are getting maximum value So yo

Let's move on to Hunter Renfro. I'm gonna start with the Cisco kid. Tell me about the waste management man that is actually an owner and everybody was trying to bag on that. But I'm like, when you own your own company, you're one bad ass dude. Hit me with it Cisco.

CISCO KID (06:22.171)
Where did you bring it from?

CISCO KID (06:39.259)
No, I love it, man. hope he signs on the dotted line, man, really. Him and Wilkins, we're teammates. I hope he's on Pete Carroll's door knocking going, get our guy back, man. Get our guy back. I hope, I hope, I hope. I'll take him over Amari Cooper. I mean, I don't know. I'm not hyped about it. I know some Raider fans are kind of, yeah, get Amari. I don't know, man. I'm not.

Raider Wil (06:55.453)
I got you.

CISCO KID (07:08.259)
Not sold on that one, but third in Renfro, yes. Yes. Bring that boy back in. He was clutch. I was really, really surprised. And we may have talked about this already, but I was really surprised nobody picked him up. I mean, the dude's clutch, man. I mean, come on. What are you? Yeah. I was puzzled.

Raider Wil (07:26.722)
I got you. Yo, James, hit me with the baby.

James @tbh_military_chapter (07:32.514)
Yeah, Hunter Renfro I think is a... He's always been a great player, right? But I think Hunter Renfro was just an unfortunate victim of the Josh McFucknuggets scheme that failed. I don't really think there's another reason. In my opinion, when you look at how Hunter Renfro was kind of pushed out of the team, and you look back, the kind of, in my opinion, the two plays that were the start of that...

Raider Wil (07:44.501)
100 % guaranteed.

James @tbh_military_chapter (08:01.644)
downhill roll. The first one is obviously going to be that fumble against Arizona when we had that, that 24 zero lead and it just, we just kind of fell apart towards the end. but the other big play that I think plays a played a big part in him getting forced out of the team was when him and Devante Adams ran into each other and arrowhead. I think that's the other big play to me that I saw that was like career defining.

Raider Wil (08:24.885)
Mmm.

James @tbh_military_chapter (08:30.38)
with him him being gone. Because it seems like after when that happened, he it's not even he wasn't even on the field to even get the touches for a lot of the games in the most part. And that's to me, that's that's on the fault of the staff because the staff isn't doing anything to try and give him touches. I mean, yeah, he fumbled the ball once or twice, but you know, for for him not to have any more touches after he had a couple of mishaps when he had.

so little mishaps when we had freaking Zay Jones playing wide receiver one to me was just ridiculous. so I straight up just think, I think Hunter Renfro was still solid. mean, I I don't understand why we wouldn't pick them up. I mean, it's probably only a couple million to get them. You probably could get them. You probably could get them for like two years for about five, five to 6 million. So, I mean, I I would say it's, it's a great idea. I would still say we should still look for another veteran wide receiver.

But to have Hunter Renfro bring him back in the slot next to Bowers? Shit, do not see how that fails. I just, I don't see how it fails, in my opinion.

Raider Wil (09:38.217)
read. Matty B!

Matty B (09:41.162)
Yeah, no, I think it'd be great if we signed him. Like you pretty much said it right there when you said that Josh McDaniels kind of forced him out of there. I think he was a great dude, man. He was clutch any time it mattered, man. Like he got the nickname Dernanfro for a reason. So, you know, I don't know why he didn't get picked up. I don't know. lot of speculated shit that I've heard. I don't know how true it is, but

that kind of went off script when he came to like running his routes. But I think that made him unique in his own way, even if he did. you know, I mean, look at the plays on tape, you know, if he's not running, if he's running his own script, I mean, he's doing a hell of a job at it because he's getting open and catching the ball. So that's all that matters really in this league when it comes down to it. So give him another shot, man. I'd be glad to see him back in the silver and black, especially when Bauer is on one side. And I like Myers too, man. So pretty disappointing.

James @tbh_military_chapter (10:38.766)
Mm-hmm.

Matty B (10:40.721)
triple-headed monster on there get another guy and you know Pick up another veteran like you said or go through the draft and pick somebody up that can Help you in that whole line out on receivers

James @tbh_military_chapter (10:53.454)
Yeah, and I also think that, um, if you look at Hunter Renfro for, those w for those watching us right now, a good career game to look at for a hundred Renfro go back to, I want to say the year 2021, when the Raiders made the playoffs and watch the Raiders versus Colts game. That game was so back and forth and Hunter Renfro was the reason we won that game. 100%. If Hunter Renfro does not come in clutch that game, we do not go to the playoffs.

Matty B (11:20.125)
Hey, hey, hey, can I say another one too? How about the defensive stop? How about the defensive stop against the Chargers when they went for it on fourth down? And he came in there and let that dude go up and turn over the ball right there. I mean, that was probably that was my favorite play by Renfro and he wasn't even playing offense on that play bro like.

Raider Wil (11:22.299)
go ahead, go ahead.

James @tbh_military_chapter (11:28.078)
Yeah, that too. When he was playing defensive back.

Raider Wil (11:38.325)
Guys, think I can say this and I maybe like as we are the black holes fans, I think the black hole would endorse this and take this and run with it. Hunter Renfro was a guy that is accessible to fans. That is accessible to his people and he treats you right. He's he's just brought up in a humble way.

And I think that is what brings him tight with Raider Nation because he loved Raider Nation and Raider Nation loved him. And I think it's a lot of the things that you guys said. The guy runs a unique route tree. He's not the fastest. He's not the biggest. He's not the strongest. So he uses his unique ability to run routes in a certain way that might add a certain shape.

that might add a certain way of moving that some coaches don't like. But here's the key thing that Matty B said. He creates separation from his defender with those moves. If you see a lot of these guys, Keenan Allen, a lot of older guys, they have to add that extra little shift so that way they can gain that type of separation to make big time plays in big time situations for our team.

And Renfro is a guy that you can depend on on third down on big plays. And you know that if he has to run the smart route and read the defense. He's very capable of doing that and being on the same page as his quarterback. I think you guys all hit it on the head. We can bring this guy back at a quality contract, a quality player. At 29 years old, guys, I keep got.

that are younger than their 30s, bringing them back on quality contracts. James, I've been telling you this all season long, right, baby? We maximize them dollars. We are maximizing them dollars. We are not on spend the time. We are on Maxathon, maxing out every single player for what we can get. And you know what? Taking chances on players that other people wouldn't.

James @tbh_military_chapter (13:47.576)
Thanks.

Raider Wil (14:01.589)
and offering them minimal contracts. And if they outplay those contracts, then we will be able to resign these players looking at the team through a microscope. I don't know what you guys think, but guys, I want to know what you guys think. Wrapping up free agency. All right. Wrapping up everything. I want a grade. Give me a grade. What you guys think what the Raiders have done so far. OK, I'm going to start with the my boy James.

James, I'm gonna give you a, you can give them the grade. I don't want you to go more than a minute. So you get a minute, you get your podium, you got it?

Ready? Go!

James @tbh_military_chapter (14:44.75)
I think I think free agency for us started off kind of rough. I think we took a lot of losses on the defensive side of the ball at first Looking at it now with the end. I mean we did with the addition of the landing Roberts I wasn't too keen on it with the idea him being LB one However, now that we got Devon why I feel him a lot better Especially considering, you know, we have Coons We missed on chase on I wasn't too happy. We missed on that one

We did get the Max CrossFit extension done. So would say overall for free agency, I would give it probably about a solid, maybe a solid B to a B minus in my opinion. It could have been better, but it wasn't bad. In the end, it wasn't bad. It started rough, but it ended in a respectable state.

Raider Wil (15:25.941)
Okay. Okay.

Raider Wil (15:38.737)
Alright, now we're gonna go to our Yoda, our OB-1 that has seen this so many times before. Drop your knowledge on us Yoda and give us your thoughts about this Raiders offseason.

CISCO KID (15:55.003)
I'll sit right with James, man. I'd say it was about a B minus. Losing Spillane, Hurt, Trayvon, I mean, those ones kind of, was like, damn, man. But like James said, we bounced back, we got some key people. Solid B minus. I'm good with that. I think so.

Raider Wil (16:00.755)
Okay.

Raider Wil (16:20.041)
Gotcha. Hey, my brother, Matty B, give me that grade, baby.

Matty B (16:25.942)
Yeah, I'm pretty much with you guys right there, man. I was going to give him about a B. But I mean, I got beat by two other people to say it, so I kind of sound like I'm copying everybody, but I'm not. I mean, I'll beat you. But yeah, I think we did great. Like he said, we lost some key players. But if you really think about it, you really look at a lot of those key players went and signed some big contracts, and we'll see how those contracts turn out.

Raider Wil (16:35.76)
Yeah.

Matty B (16:53.429)
If they ball out for those teams and it was worth it for them and we missed out if it's not and they they go over there and they they bomb then hey, you know we did the right moves and I'm happy with what we did. You know and we might have had to wait a little bit longer for that middle linebacker or not middle linebacker, but that linebacker that we needed. But hey, we got we got somebody that's pretty solid in there and I think our safeties are going to be just fine. I think we work on the corners and a little bit of a line when it comes to the draft and will be just fine.

Raider Wil (17:23.157)
I got you brother. mean like I might give you guys a little backdrop man of how this offseason goes for Raider fan. I get a phone call

I think the second day of free agency or first day of free agency.

We're losing the draft. We're losing everything. We are terrible. We ain't got nothing. That's day one, gentlemen. Day one.

CISCO KID (17:50.702)
you

Matty B (17:54.215)
you

Raider Wil (17:56.725)
We're losing everything!

CISCO KID (17:58.139)
The Titanic is sinking.

Raider Wil (18:00.295)
All right. That's like the ship is sinking. We've lost everybody. Nobody wants to be a raider. OK. Say, hey, man, made a key move. We swiped in a captain of the ship or, you know, vice admiral, whatever you want to call the the QB. We got one.

Matty B (18:11.22)
you

Raider Wil (18:26.527)
Day 2. We're sitting there waiting on Spillane to sign man and Merrick and everybody to come back, right? Because they're Raiders! Because they're our guys!

damn it! gosh those guys are killing me 37 mil

I say, hey man, I can't believe the Raiders didn't overspend. Guy's a quality player? Absolutely.

Raider Wil (18:58.581)
We lost this guy. We don't have nobody. And I said, man, what I say, James, what I say, let them cook, baby, let them cook. So, hey, you know what, though? This is what I love about Raider Nation. We all have these highs and these lows and everybody is on a different tip, right? Everybody's going to tell you a different thing. My grade for the Raiders is

James @tbh_military_chapter (19:08.396)
You should.

Raider Wil (19:27.591)
actually like Cisco. I think we are at a strong B minus right now. The reason I'm saying B minus at the moment is because. Well, no, it's because the picks that are the the guys that we've signed have yet to produce. If these guys all come, OK, especially these guys that are we signing for minimal contracts like most start from the Dolphins running back, then we got freaking.

James @tbh_military_chapter (19:35.8)
Gino Smith.

Raider Wil (19:55.017)
Devin White, if he comes in, if these guys pop off, OK, and they have incredible years. Well, we're going to look at this next year and we're going to be like a plus plus plus plus plus plus, baby. I'll be like, just be real, because we got these guys at a maximum contract with quality. You know what I'm saying? As in saying we're paying minimal. And if we juice these guys, then it's going to be fantastic. But.

All right, guys, we're going to go on to section two of the show where we're going to talk. Draft baby. All right. I know, bro. Hey, we're beating the horse. I think every single podcast does this. Some people are doing it five times a week. Guys, you're not going to get that here. OK, we're going to go through different scenarios and we're just going to move on from that. I'd be like, we can debate Shadura Sanders. We can debate Gentie. We can debate all these guys.

And everybody's going to have a different opinion. Right. But guys, I want your guys opinion and I want everything went right in your draft. Okay. The first, this is the first scenario. Everything goes right in your draft. Who is the guy that you're drafting at six and why? Okay. I'd be like, it can be any guy. I'd be like, if you're telling me, Hey, the guy from Notre Dame drops to the nose tackle. That's who you pick up.

That's who you pick up. I've heard Travis Hunter might drop to the Raiders on some draft boards. All right. If you want to draft Travis Hunter, tell me why. Tell me what, who is your dream guy and why? I already know. I already know. We got to leave that just and you give him his title, give him everything, baby. Come in with that bang. I already know James.

So, I'm gonna start with the Cisco kid. Brother, we had the draft today and you were the draft guy. And you had to push the button. Who's the name you're calling and why?

CISCO KID (22:05.827)
It's a one, man. You got to go with like everybody says, I well, not everybody, but you got to take the best player available, period. And we did that with Brock Bowers, right? So you're basing on needs, best player available. All right, we'll go with that. And needs that we need. You said it, man. I said the dark horse would be Travis Hunter.

He could play both sides of the ball. That's a sneak attack. That's something not every player can do. So I would say, if he falls to number six, take him. Take him.

Raider Wil (22:49.459)
Ooh, Cisco Kids dream draft for our Raiders in Silver and Black this year would be Travis Hunter falling all the way down to six and then electrifying Las Vegas for the next 10 to 15 years, baby. Yo, Matty B, if the draft went perfect for you today, who do you think is the perfect fit to be a Raider today?

Matty B (23:19.487)
Man, I like to have his Hunter pick, but he's off the board now. So, man, if they fell today, man, I would have to go with Gentie, man. think he fits perfect when it comes down to helping out with Gino. I think he's going to compliment what we were missing last year.

We all seen it, you we didn't have Jacobs. guys, everybody's seen how bad we were on offense when we came to run in the ball. We couldn't, we couldn't get past our own line. So, I mean, that's the guy we have to go with, man. He's the best player available, I think, at six, if he fell to us. So, that's my, that's my opinion.

Raider Wil (24:04.581)
All right, I'm got you baby now. Take it away, James.

James @tbh_military_chapter (24:12.078)
Yeah, pick number six. I'm gonna stand on this hill because I'm gonna fucking die on it. I pick number six. The only guy we should be taking is we should be securing that QB position and we should be grabbing Shador motherfucking Sanders. Mr. Primetime, I don't want to hear, I don't want to hear that. I don't, I think we need to secure that QB position, okay?

CISCO KID (24:26.956)
Come out, I'm done.

Raider Wil (24:30.458)
you

Cisco Wax Up!

Matty B (24:36.718)
I'm gonna go to bed.

James @tbh_military_chapter (24:42.434)
There's a reason Geno Smith and him already did a fucking mixtape cover picture. It's real. It's cooking. It's brewing their friends. He's friends with Brady. It's a match made in heaven. We the Raiders, we need that swagger back. The rollie wearing jet flying, limousine riding, wheeling, dealing son of a gun. Shadour Sanders is my pick. Now, if we get to six and Shadour is off the board, okay.

CISCO KID (24:48.655)
Move.

Raider Wil (25:07.625)
No, we got it. got what you got to wait. You got to wait. I'm going to give you that scenario next. All right. Yo, guys, first of all, what I want you to do, I want you to comment below and let us know if you think Cisco has a right with Travis Hunter, if Maddy B hit us up with Gentie. And then we got James with the high flying Rolex wearing shotgun, riding for limousine, riding.

James @tbh_military_chapter (25:10.762)
Okay, okay, alright, alright.

Raider Wil (25:34.293)
Shador Sanders, baby. So let us know who you think is the right guy. I'm gonna tell you guys like this, baby. If Travis Hunter falls to six, I have made a promise that I would never buy another Raiders jersey from a current player until they retire. I'm gonna tell you I'm coming out of retirement for that one, baby.

Matty B (26:01.478)
you

Raider Wil (26:02.037)
Because if Travis Hunter goes to the silver and black, can you see this man? mean, it's a we talk about swagger. We talk about game changing ability.

Bro, dream made in heaven. But I'ma tell you like that. I ain't that sauced up to believe that that's gonna happen. I quit drinking in September. And I'm telling you like that, bro. I ain't that sauced I don't think he'll fall. The one player that I would be interested to see, would be the nose tackle at a Notre Dame.

Raider Wil (26:48.497)
If we are able to pair him with Coons. Okay. Christian Wilkins. Max Crosby. And I think it's Zebulon, right? Or what's his name? Matt? The kid from, yep.

Matty B (27:05.892)
who's great. Yeah, great. That's my offensive guy.

Raider Wil (27:10.516)
So.

Raider Wil (27:14.741)
Bro, like it could get nasty up front and I think the Raiders would be making a big difference But again, I think a lot you guys all hit on picks man that all those guys hit a certain thing now I'm gonna give you guys a little different scenario. Okay

Let's go. Travis Hunter's off the board.

Raider Wil (27:42.0)
to our Sanders' off the board.

Matty B (27:45.507)
That picture's going to saved memories.

Raider Wil (27:46.709)
Okay?

James @tbh_military_chapter (27:50.766)
You

Raider Wil (27:51.732)
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

Does that automatically make Gentr pick at 6? Or do you see another possibility coming in at 6? Whoa, whoa, whoa, who's that?

James @tbh_military_chapter (28:03.16)
No.

Raider Wil (28:11.945)
John Gruden just, here we go, baby. Hey, that's that's the dark horse. I want to talk about. OK, right there. He brought him up. Jackson, dark, dark horse for the Raiders as a quarterback, right? Yo. Do you take him at six if he both should door and camera off the board or do you trade back?

Matty B (28:13.667)
Jack and Garth. Jack and Garth.

CISCO KID (28:21.603)
It's.

Raider Wil (28:40.341)
And how far do you think you can trade back? And what do you get? OK, because like if you're moving back to like 13, you know, you got to get some some good quality. OK, so tell me what's your move if Jackson Dart is your guy on the board that you want to draft in the first? What's your move, Cisco? What do you do?

CISCO KID (29:04.783)
I'm gonna kind of throw a little wrench into it. My scenario is this, take the best player available, right? Okay, if it's not Hunter, Gentry's there, grab Gentry. Trade with another team, trade a pick, and evaluate where we're at. If Dart's still there, then trade up to grab him.

Raider Wil (29:36.265)
Hmm. But what are you willing to give up? mean, like you're just saying trade here, trade there, and who who's going to be the trade partner?

CISCO KID (29:40.475)
Well, that thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. I'd say trade a number two pick for the following year, 2026. Trade a number two to jump up to whatever. We got to how the board goes. But if it pays out and all our guys are gone, yeah, I say grab him.

Raider Wil (29:54.165)
Okay. Okay.

Raider Wil (30:06.451)
All right, James, if Jackson Dart is your solution at quarterback, right, and you're saying, hey, he's your guy. That's player available, like Cisco said. Nobody's going to think that you're going to draft them at six, right? But he's that high on your board, no matter what. And people are calling a trade. People are how far do you see being able to move back and still be able to pick up this?

James @tbh_military_chapter (30:33.527)
So personally, I'd be okay, right? If we don't get Sanders, I just want to put out there, I'd be okay with the Raiders reaching on dart six. I wouldn't be mad about it, but that's not the scenario. So my scenario that I would do is I would trade back from pick six and I would trade, try and hit up the Chicago Bears and move back to number 10. And I would charge them a second and a fourth from this year's draft.

And I think, and I think.

Raider Wil (31:04.437)
The traditional peg.

CISCO KID (31:04.667)
Number two this year.

James @tbh_military_chapter (31:08.334)
Yeah, a second rounder from this year and a fourth rounder from this year. And then I think. Well, the reason I would do that is because I see the Bears as a team that really, really, are really into the idea of drafting Gentie. And I think Gentie is going to be right in our lap, no matter which way this goes. think Gentie is going to be there at six. That's just, he's going to be there at six. You know what I mean? Um, so I liked the idea of moving back there. Uh,

The only problem with moving back to 10 is I think the jets who are right behind us are just a little unpredictable.

Raider Wil (31:51.465)
Yeah, they bite Simon Diner and Rogers again.

James @tbh_military_chapter (31:51.958)
And yeah, I think the jets are a little unpredictable, but I would say the farthest you could draft, would say you have to draft somewhere in the top 20. You have to move back within the top 20 because if you let Jackson Dark be available when the Pittsburgh Steelers come up, I think that's who the Pittsburgh Steelers are gonna take.

CISCO KID (32:14.489)
Yeah, I agree. I think he's going to be gone. He might be gone in the first 10, to be honest.

Raider Wil (32:14.898)
I could see that too.

James @tbh_military_chapter (32:16.174)
100%.

Matty B (32:21.102)
Thanks.

James @tbh_military_chapter (32:22.592)
I think he's going to be gone first round though.

Raider Wil (32:24.959)
Gotcha. Maddie B.

CISCO KID (32:25.378)
first round for sure. First round for sure.

Matty B (32:29.562)
I would tell you, I don't think you can move back to him. Really, honestly, like you said, you got the Jets sitting behind you at seven. OK, Carolina, who knows? Are they going to keep the guys they got? You know what I mean? They're there too, man. They could be one of those sneaky Atlanta teams like last year that go and pick up quarterback and use another one at the payday. And then you got New Orleans, man. There's already talk about them getting in a car. They got that. You can't move back. I don't think you can move back to get him.

CISCO KID (32:48.853)
yeah. Yep.

Matty B (32:59.009)
Chicago would be the only team you can move back to trade with and that's putting you out of reach for him. So I don't think you can move back

Raider Wil (33:03.975)
Ooh, man.

Matty B (33:07.766)
I think you have to mix mix if you if you if you really want him that bad and you got to pick him at six.

Raider Wil (33:08.019)
He just

Raider Wil (33:15.285)
You Japan, mean like...

CISCO KID (33:15.833)
you just gotta pray to God that the rest of the picks after him pan out otherwise it's gonna look like it's a flop.

James @tbh_military_chapter (33:24.152)
Yeah.

Matty B (33:24.342)
Yeah, exactly. And that's like, like you said, that's that's a big reach on six. I think like you say, I don't know if you got to go that far.

Raider Wil (33:24.404)
Mm-hmm.

And I mean like-

CISCO KID (33:30.841)
I think so too. I like the kid. like the kid, I wouldn't. Six, that's tough. That's tough. But.

Matty B (33:35.82)
Yeah. Signed genome for seven years, you for three years. You know what mean?

CISCO KID (33:40.539)
I mean, but look at it this way, right? mean, did everybody have us picking? Well, not just us, but at that position, 13, picking Bowers? He wasn't on the top 20, I don't believe.

Raider Wil (33:52.371)
No.

Matty B (33:52.726)
Right, right, no.

Raider Wil (33:56.169)
He was bro. He was in the top. No, he was supposed to be the eighth pick. Yeah. He was, he was opposed. He's he was yeah. Best player that besides quarterback.

Matty B (33:56.184)
Mm-mm.

But he wasn't the top 20. was like, yeah, he was like the top 10. He was the best player in the graph last year.

CISCO KID (34:01.563)
Okay.

Yeah, we all know that. Yeah.

Matty B (34:07.896)
Mm-hmm.

Raider Wil (34:09.415)
So I'd be like again, we're looking at that Maddie B. You just added to the scenario and I mean like thinking about it James might be right. I'll be like if we were James if we did a ten I guarantee you the Bears are hungry for genti Adding a running back of that dimension Definitely takes a lot of Caleb Williams But moving that far back would put us in that position where the Jets

James @tbh_military_chapter (34:29.985)
Yeah. End.

So here's

So here's.

Raider Wil (34:38.655)
Hold on, hold on. So if the Jets though are in that position, right? Bro, the Jets are looking for a quarterback. Let's be real. I don't think they see Justin Fields as the long-term solution.

Raider Wil (34:54.933)
So, hey, Cisco, do you pull the trigger at six? Yes or no? If you have to, if you feel like he's the best player available.

CISCO KID (35:05.166)
for my guy Jackson.

Raider Wil (35:07.988)
Yeah.

like just put everything that we've added to the scenario.

CISCO KID (35:15.291)
Man, that's Because you know I've been harping my boy for a long time. It's money in the bank is what it is because we know we got Gino. My boy AOC still on the team. I really feel he's gonna battle Gino. I know everybody thinks Gino's gonna start, but under Pete Carroll's system, solid offensive line, I think AOC is gonna do some damage.

Raider Wil (35:22.089)
Yes, I know.

CISCO KID (35:44.927)
Is he the quarterback of the future? Yeah.

Matty B (35:45.398)
Mm-mm.

CISCO KID (35:52.347)
I think I, man, it's a tough one, man. I'm 50-50 to be honest. At six, at six, I'm 50-50 on them. I mean, yeah, that's.

Raider Wil (36:00.692)
All right.

CISCO KID (36:05.203)
He could be a diamond in the rough, Yeah, I mean, but you know what? Now I think about it. I probably would because he's going to learn under Gino and Tom Brady.

Raider Wil (36:20.073)
Alright.

CISCO KID (36:20.955)
So that would be our guy for the future. I would say, I would say, yeah. I would say maybe, yeah. If he's there, take him.

Raider Wil (36:30.719)
James.

James @tbh_military_chapter (36:34.328)
So I mean, I would, I'm okay with either way, right? I'm okay with pulling the trigger for him, but I'm also okay with not pulling the trigger for him. And the reason I'm not okay with, I'm okay with not pulling the trigger is because in my opinion, if we move back to Ted, right. And we do, are, are able to obtain at least an additional second round pick. In my opinion, we're not one player away from winning. So I do see that as, as a, as a positive.

in my book. if, if they, they both QBs of cam and should door though, go in the top five. I almost feel like it's, it's, it's stupid not to take dart and figure out everything else later, to be honest, because if we're going to compete this year, then we're going to be even farther away from getting chances of a QB in a draft next year.

Raider Wil (37:34.293)
That's facts. And somebody's finally drinking the Kool-Aid that we're not one player away. Let's go, baby! Maddie B! Hit me with it!

Matty B (37:48.175)
I'm gonna have to pass and the only reason I'm gonna say I'm gonna have to pass on this is because what Cisco said, you know, we got Gino Smith and we have AOC still, you know, and we still have, I'm pretty sure, I mean, time Carter Bradley, is he still on our team? We haven't released him yet, right? So he's either gonna be a backup or a practice or something like that, you know, so we'll see how he goes too. But practice squad's still okay.

Raider Wil (38:06.422)
Nope.

James @tbh_military_chapter (38:09.67)
I think he's practiced squad.

Raider Wil (38:11.775)
Yeah, he's practiced squats.

CISCO KID (38:11.929)
Yeah, use practice squad.

Matty B (38:15.341)
Okay, well, so we got say we still got AOC. We still got them. Like you said, I think if we build a solid line, which is what Pete Carroll is known for, is building in the trenches. So, I mean, you have a solid line. I'm not going to I'm not going to say that AOC is a buster. He's the future of the Raiders. But I think he could have some solid play behind him. Yeah, I just I don't know if you reach out for Jackson Dart, man. I mean, yeah, he's played a lot of games.

You know, he's kind of like, uh, who's that kid that came out last year that played a lot of games? Um, everybody was big on, but she's, uh, I can't remember his name, man. The white boy that came out of whatever school. Yeah. I'll figure it out. I'll let you know what his name is. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. I mean, he just.

Raider Wil (38:53.041)
Which one?

Raider Wil (38:59.701)
That covers a lot of them. That's like 90 % of the quarterbacks in the league.

CISCO KID (39:01.691)
Yeah. Like 80 % of the quarterbacks. Yeah.

Raider Wil (39:12.926)
Yo!

Matty B (39:16.112)
I don't know, man. I'm just, I think that position, I don't think we can reach that far right now. I don't think we're in a position to reach if it's that case. Yeah, too many needs. Yeah. think if we have to trade back, we're trading back with something else on defense or something like that, in my opinion.

CISCO KID (39:25.519)
We got too many needs. We need, we got too many needs.

Raider Wil (39:37.843)
Right now, I'm just going to ask Raider Nation not to hate me because I'm telling you right now, they want to draft the playmaker at six and a guy at six. And I really do think spy tech is going to move back and he's going to start, you know how they move back and then acquire picks. It just start loading up on picks. I think

The writers are about to start that process where we trade back and then get a clock. If we don't get the guy that we're going to want, we're going to move back. Get a whole bunch of picks for them. And then eventually you're going to see the writers with like 27 picks or something like that. Like I just see that.

CISCO KID (40:21.243)
What if what if they trade? What if they trade? AOC to Pittsburgh. Get up on a pig. And and jump on that pig. And stack stack picks, even though I love my guy AOC man, I think he's he he hasn't got a solid shot and I know where he gets the solid gets behind a solid team. That dude's going to be he's going to be a good player man. Is it going to be Hall of Fame? No, but he's going to be a good.

Raider Wil (40:31.401)
Do it.

CISCO KID (40:50.885)
Good damn quarterback, I know it.

Raider Wil (40:52.821)
I'm gonna tell you like this, if we get anything higher than a fourth or we get something higher than a fourth round pick for AOC in a trade at this current moment, then we got the bag because he's a fourth round pick and he's struggled in the league. You're right. I don't believe that it's because of him. I do believe, know, every a team requires coaching.

CISCO KID (41:10.949)
Yep.

Raider Wil (41:21.107)
Requires everything like that, right? And he we have Failed in those departments ever since a ever since John Gruden left. Let's be real rich Bessaccia Holt held it down for a while and after that it's like James when we were talking Baby, the ship is on fire and we're filling up holes right James with fucking McNuggets basically a he's running around saying dude McNuggets fired everyone and fucked everything

Right? I mean, like, let's be real, man. I mean, like our team got destroyed after that season. Got dismantled.

CISCO KID (41:57.723)
We used to say, that when we got Shanahan back in 88, we were talking about him sabotaging his team. He wanted to trade Christensen, Todd Crensherson, think Howie Long and somebody else. And we were like, what the fuck is going on here? You know, is this dude in here sabotaging? I feel that's the same thing with McDaniels, man. He really fucked us bad.

You know, I he did terribly.

Matty B (42:30.635)
Yeah, bad bad bad.

Raider Wil (42:33.375)
When you talk about the way that coaches affect a locker room, right? I'm going to be honest. McDaniels is probably the worst locker room coach that you can have. And when you have a dictator in chief, a guy that, you know, when you're winning, fantastic. When you're losing, it's hard. And,

The way that he brought the locker room and destroyed the locker room really gave, like destroyed any resemblance of whatever we had of culture. You know, and now the Raiders are in a rebuild and they've been in a constant rebuild. But you know what? Do I see Pete Carroll changing the culture? Absolutely. Do I see Spy Tech making a lot of the right moves this season? Absolutely.

Do I see a lot of the right guys coming into this situation? Yeah. Now what I will say guys is like, yo, we got to be like on this side of the fence. Right. And I'm always like, yo, people will call me. What is it called? A pessimist. Right. Because I'm not going to say like the writers are going to we're going to the Super Bowl. As soon as you know, you get one draft pick. But I will say, hey,

Guys, be patient. Look at what the team is doing. Look at the way that it's moving. And I guarantee you, man, this is moving in the right direction. And I think Max Crosby signing, right? And staying and then him saying like, yo, I'm endorsing this is making big changes. But all right, fellas, yo, we are all members of the most new

Horriest fans. And as you guys know, we always got stuff going on all over the place because Raider Nation loves to party, baby. And that's a fact. All right, so I'm going to drop you guys some hints here. Guys, the black hole.

Raider Wil (44:58.045)
is putting out an app for all its members where they can share tickets. So you can sell from one Raiders fan to another. And these will not be charged up. Our brother Mark Jones dropped that to us in a meeting. Let us know. And it's a great move, I believe, for us as the Black Hole.

Guys, this is going to allow you to sell to other Raiders fans, to other people that are in the same boat as you. So my suggestion is to Raider Nation. Make your money, but don't kill us. All right, baby. Yo, then guys. San Francisco. May.

Matty B (45:43.815)
Thank

Raider Wil (45:54.837)
Third, right, Right a nation. Come on out to our old stomping grounds, baby. We are going to be back in the bay rocking out, baby. We are going to have a huge barbecue. When I'm talking about huge, I'm talking about huge.

CISCO KID (45:55.525)
Third. Seventy meters.

James @tbh_military_chapter (46:04.11)
Thank

CISCO KID (46:08.517)
Thanks.

Raider Wil (46:22.003)
Got over 200 people already confirmed. We got car clubs. We got people coming. You got Cisco kid coming. You got people coming out the woodwork just to come out to this event. So come out and support my people.

Then, that Sunday, Cisco Kid, let them know what we doin' at Ricky's,

CISCO KID (46:45.707)
And so most of you know Kenny and I have been doing business together for quite some time now. We have a film production company, Always Dreaming. And so we kind of launched this last year a focus on mental health. So

James @tbh_military_chapter (46:50.574)
Thanks.

CISCO KID (47:07.771)
It's called Always Dreaming Society. And he's already done a couple of things out with Steven's team out in Sacramento and with Nick Bell, who, you know, he said to himself, you know, suffers from from some mental issues that he needs to, you know, get huddled in and get control of. And it's hard for people like that. Right. Battling, battling that illness. And we just want to bring awareness to it. So

We're making a documentary on that particular topic. And Nick Bell is going to be in it, a couple other folks, myself. And we're going to be actually recording, filming the teaser trailer for that documentary. Part of that will be filmed that Sunday at Ricky's. It's not the old Ricky's, it's the new Ricky's. So I got Kenny.

in touch with the owner and he talked to him and he's all in. He's all excited. He's going to contribute quite a bit to it. We're going to have a DJ. We're going to fence off a certain area in the parking lot and kind of get some cool angles and make it that tailgate type atmosphere. Food obviously is going be there. Like I said, DJ.

We'll be doing some segments, filming some part of the segment inside Ricky's, but it's gonna be a good time, You know, it's not gonna be just the whole film production time. We're gonna be hanging out, eating, drinking, taking pictures, hanging out with each other, talking Raiders, talking family, talking everything, you know, what we do when we get together. But that's gonna be a part of it. So it's gonna be a good time, man, you know.

I think it's going to be definitely for a good cause, once it's all put together and all that. But yeah, it's gonna be a good time for all of us to get back. like I said, I mean, it's not gonna be the same rookies, but to have a black hole there once again, and that amount of numbers is gonna be a great thing. it's kind of like where I wouldn't say where it first started, but it was one of the first establishments.

CISCO KID (49:25.081)
that was a notable establishment that the Black Hole got together at and would do parties and events. So it's kind of a homecoming for the Black Hole and a homecoming for Kenny and I too. We used to have a lot of our AD production meetings at Ricky's. So it's kind of come in full circle. So it's gonna be a good time.

Raider Wil (49:46.709)
Hey, can't wait, baby. And if y'all know, Kenny Shed, former wide receiver for the Raiders, baby, has been on the show. We're going to bring him back, have him talk a little bit about it, have him give you guys a little bit more of the 411 on what's going on over there. Another thing, Central Valley Black Hole has a Easter event. So guys.

Make sure that you go out there and give them some support. You know, they got their flyers out. Make sure that if you are in that area, you hit that, you know, hit them up. Link up. Get connected. Guys, another event that will be going down that happens every year. It's for my Myo Hi City Black Hole family up there in TBH Denver, baby. They got their Easter event that they always do every year.

So make sure that if you're in that area, go over there, you hit them up and show them some love. Then I believe our family over there in Sacramento will be having a draft soiree going down, baby. So make sure that you hit them up if you are in Sacramento at Shenanigans Bar and Grill, right? And hey, rock with the fam.

Then last but not least, baby, like we said, we rock in everywhere. Another draft party will be going down with our family down there in the Big D. TBH Dallas has their new spot. So make sure that you hit them up. Go down there, go out and support the fam and make sure that you're engaged. And last but not least again. Houston will be

CISCO KID (51:11.664)
And I think.

Raider Wil (51:40.827)
An absolute banger this year, you will see our brother, Matty B with his young in. You'll see our brother, James, out there with his young in. You're going to see the Cisco kid go down there and announce the presence because we're going to be rolling deep with the black hole. We will have a lot of people down there. So, guys, stay engaged. Stay linked up.

and make sure that you follow all the black hole family guys.

CISCO KID (52:12.057)
Got one, what a draft party though. You forgot one draft party.

Raider Wil (52:17.973)
Whoa, whoa, I forgot this one. No, I didn't forget. I'm a lot. Hey, I'm a lot. Are you to go ahead? Wise one. Hit us with the biggest, baddest, most. Oh, hey.

CISCO KID (52:33.435)
If I'm about be anybody out of Star Wars, could I be at least maybe Obi-Wan? Yeah, yeah, I don't want to come up, I I've respected Yoda, but dudes like, you know, this tall and green and you know what I'm saying? mean.

Raider Wil (52:40.231)
Obi-Wan, you are Obi-Wan? They're okay Obi-Wan. Okay Obi-Wan.

James @tbh_military_chapter (52:48.59)
you

Raider Wil (52:51.615)
Hey, but the girls love him. But the girls love Yoda.

CISCO KID (52:56.379)
All right. All right. The OB-1 sounds a little better.

Raider Wil (53:00.757)
So all right, Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan is going to hit us with the draft party. I know I hit you guys all with our smaller ones, but I'm going to let you roll this one in, baby, and let them know about our main party.

James @tbh_military_chapter (53:02.734)
Cut!

CISCO KID (53:19.503)
So we're putting it together. I'm actually waiting any time now to get an email from our guy, my boy Marlon, who's the NFL alumni chapter president here in Las Vegas. We're gonna team up with them. Once again, this will be our third annual Legends Draft Party with the NFL alumni or NFL legends, pro legends is what they're calling it, at the Ghost Bar at the Palms.

Fortunately, this year, what's going to cool thing, people can rotate. The Raiders are actually having their season ticket holder draft party at the Palms as well, downstairs at that nightclub chaos, I think it's called. So go there, hang out a little bit, then take the elevator upstairs to the Ghost Bar, hang out with us outside, smoking some stogies and, you know, cheering, drinking some nice cold modellos and hanging out, man. And yeah, it's going to be a good time.

Definitely be a good time. You we usually have some Raider alumni popping in, whether it's Jay Schrader, my boy Tio Johnson, you know, it's always somebody popping in. So should be another good time. We're looking forward to it. And we'll be making that announcement shortly, just waiting on the link for our VIP tables and whatnot, if you want to dabble in that. So it's going be another good time, man.

Raider Wil (54:39.839)
Hey, so y'all heard it here first, baby. Make sure that y'all stay locked in. The black hole is going to black out. Raider Nation, the palms is going to be blacked out. The Raiders party will be downstairs for the actual club. The black hole party will be upstairs. So that to me means the palms will be blacked out from the feed up.

from the floor up, whatever you want to call it, is going to be black and silver, baby. So make sure you guys go down to the palms and support our club, support our people, man. They're doing big things. And guys, I want to make sure that I send out the shout out to our brother, Mark Jones. You're in our prayers, brother. I'll be like, we know that you're going through a tough time right now, but I want you to know, brother, that we got your support and we got nothing but love for you. And hey.

Anything you need, your family's here, baby. So, guys, it's all about one nation. It's all about one team. It's all about the Raiders!

CISCO KID (55:47.131)
Thank you.

James @tbh_military_chapter (55:47.872)
Hey,

Thank