Skills Competition Lessons From A Level One Apprentice ft. Emma

We talk with Emma Giordano right after the Centennial skills competition and unpack what it feels like to compete as a new apprentice. We get into confidence, learning habits, and why the urge to rebuild and understand systems can shape the kind of technician you become. 

• taking on a 200 question automotive test as a level one student 
• navigating stations that include unfamiliar diagnostics and automatic transmissions 
• showing up because instructors encourage you and backing yourself anyway 
• using the competition certificate to stand out on a resume or LinkedIn 
• relearning how to study after time away from school and asking questions early 
• what makes fuels and electrical click and why diesel basics surprise people 
• pushing back on the replace it mindset and finding pride in rebuilding 
• dealing with a long commute and building a routine around early studying 
• dream vehicle picks and the TV show that never gets boring 

All right, folks, if you have any questions or comments or recommendations about things we can talk about, you can leave an email. The email is below. 

If you have any content or discussion topics contact us at icampbell@centennialcollege.ca. 

Cheers folks!

Transcript

Welcome And Meet Emma

0:08

Welcome to the Talking with the School of Transportation podcast, presented by Centennial College. With your hosts, Ian Campbell and Harnack Gill. Let's get into it now. Welcome back to the Talking with the SOT Podcast. I'm here with Harnack Gill as always. Hello, folks. We are here after the Centennial Skills competition. We've done this a few times now. Is this I think a third time now? Yeah. And often we're joined by fellow instructors and judges. Today we are joined by Emma. Emma. Emma Emma what? Emma Giordano. Okay. And who are you? I am a level one student. Well, not anymore. I guess not. I guess I'm going into level two. You did pass, right? Yes. D'Amico did say, depending on how well you did on electrically, might change your grade. So I know he was threatening me a bit. D'Amico threatening. I I don't believe it. Very true. And not only are you a graduated AST level one apprenticeship student, you're also a competitor. Well, you were a competitor today. Yeah. So you were involved in the uh skills competition.

The Written Test And Unknown Tasks

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Yeah. Yeah. And it was uh it was great. I'm really glad I came in. Yeah. What was uh what was the like biggest challenge today as a level one student? Because uh some of this stuff is like all levels, one, two, and three. Um and what was the biggest challenge you think? Or what was the most the scariest part, let's put it that way. I was really surprised by how challeng well, I guess not surprised. The test in the beginning was very challenging. Okay. Um, a lot of it was like a whole nother language, but I wasn't really expecting to do very well because I am only level one, so I just kind of wanted to come in, give it my best shot and see how it went. And uh I actually surprised myself, like I did way better than I expected. Awesome. Okay, how do you love that? Uh I was told they give you give them the results. Oh, sweet, that's awesome. Well, good for you. That's that's a so that test just to give some context, yeah. Is that like a 50 question test or uh it's 200. 200 questions with all sorts of automotive stuff, and a little some of that stuff might have been a little bit dated, do you think? Yes, yeah. The test is uh a couple years older than me. Yeah, a couple years, like five or six. Yeah, carburetors and all sorts of stuff on there. So it's tough. Yeah, right? Which is it's made to be tough. It's made to see like let's let's see what you know. Yeah, I think it's cool. Yeah, and and like uh some of my level three guys who did place pretty well today, uh, can use that as a really good opportunity for uh prepping for uh another hard test they're about about to do. So yeah. Yeah. So aside, but so the hardest part you think was was the test itself? Is that fair? Yeah, the test was pretty challenging. Um a lot of like the exercises that we did as well, like when we were in the transmission labs, for example, um, it was all in automatics and I haven't learned about it yet. Right. And um Yeah, it was just a lot of things that I haven't seen before. Um can I ask you how you kind of navigated that? Um, I just kind of like I went through the pamphlets, I answered what I could, and I kind of backtracked once I got everything I knew. Um and I just kind of I did my best. And guessed at what you didn't know? Yeah. Yeah, perfectly. That's good. I love that answer. I just did my best. Yeah. So I had a student in the front end section where there's a fault on a car, and we we get started, and maybe like 40 seconds into it, and he kind of leans over to me and he's like, I've never diagnosed anything before. And I go, Oh, okay, what program are you in? And he's just starting out as a level one mode of power. He's like, That's fine. Just do your best, right? That's all you can really do at that point. You can't shy away, move back, and like, I don't know what I'm doing. You just kinda do what you can and try to push through. It's part of the experience doing stuff or get or being exposed to stuff you've never dealt with.

Why Competing Helps Your Career

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Um can I ask what encouraged you to show up today? Because you're coming quite a distance. It's not like you just walked on over something to do for the day, right? Yeah, uh, it was actually you guys. Like you guys recommended it to me and um kind of gave me the confidence to show up today, and you guys were both great teachers. Yeah, thank you. She was looking past us, there was someone else walking by. Um, and and O'Neal also showed up from your group, which he couldn't make the podcast. But um and another level one, Caleb too. And Caleb also was so it was awesome to see some of the like entry-level students ch get challenged with such a hard thing. And I had Caleb, if he listens to this, I had him in electrical and he was just going, Oh my goodness, like you know what? He said the same thing in my section, yeah. But he was on it, yeah. He was actually like really close. Same with O'Neal, like you know, and and Emma as well, just all three of you guys blew me away for a level one student coming to try this is awesome, and the confidence and the certificate and what you can do with it is so cool, in my opinion, anyway. And you got a uh a nice pair of pliers. I did, and a pocket screwdriver. Oh, yes, yeah. Uh but more than that, I think, is that certificate, in my opinion, because uh you can throw that on uh I guess Dr. Pedrag, I can't say his. I've got to cut the I don't remember his last name. Pesican. Dr. Pesican uh said that too. Like throw that on your LinkedIn profile or your resume and and really brand yourself with that um you know that you were a competitor. You tried this, you're not afraid to to give it a shot, which I think is a uh an awesome thing for an employer to look at. Yeah, and going down the line, when you come back again next year and compete, you might have a certificate that says, I won this. Oh yeah, or third. Yeah, keep a level up, yeah, moving up, right? So then that's and that's and shout out to uh Thomas who did win this year because he's one of my level three students right now. He was third two years ago. So he came, did it two years ago, got third, and now he's he's the head honcho right now in the number one spot. So moving up, yeah, very cool to see. You know, it's nice to watch that progression and and knowledge retention from that those levels. So yeah, and I think that's a cool thing for us to witness too. We have labs with you, you have some practical tests, but we don't really see you guys sweating under the hood of a car like a technician does. So it's pretty cool to watch you guys perform. Yeah. Yeah. Did you were you uh intimidated by anything today about uh of any of the challenges? I was. It was um like again, it was just kind of things that I've never seen before. I've never Totally. I didn't really know how to go about a lot of things, especially when it came to diagnosing, because I don't really do a lot of diagnosing right now. Um, but it was uh it was a really cool experience, and like I just wanted to see how far I could go, like where I am now, and then I'm gonna come back next year and kind of see how that goes. Yeah. And after level two, you know, depending on when you come back for that block, um, you know, the knowledge you're gonna have on top of what you have now and just build on it like Thomas did. So that's awesome. I uh I hope you do really well and uh it's exciting. Uh so you're the first level one student, I believe we've had on. We've had level twos, we've had level threes. I don't think we've had a level one student on yet. I think you're right. So congratulations, you

Learning To Be A Student Again

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were the first level one. Um how how was level one? How was going through level one for you? It was really fun. Um fun. You had Domiko in retrospect as fun, right? Yeah, it was uh it was a great experience. Um I really did enjoy it. I got I enjoyed kind of learning about all the the these things that I was curious about. What was one of the hardest or most challenging parts of level one for you? Uh so I thought the most challenging part would be kind of learning how to be a student again. Okay. Like I kind of coasted through high school and I've been out of high school for going on three years now. Yeah, gotta be three years. Um and and for some of our students, that's not a lot of time. Yeah. Like we get some students that haven't been back for 20 years. Like so, you know, three years feels like a lot for you, but then you know, some change of life or or students that have a change of career path career. Yeah, they uh they are in a similar boat where they're like, oh my goodness, you know, like what am I gonna do? So how did you navigate some of that fear or or intimidation? Um, I kind of just like went at it, like I have to do this either way. I might as well just do my best and go from there. Um I'm like took extra care to really pay attention during lectures and I took good notes, I hope. And I just uh I gave it my all and that was enough. I remember you would often come at the end of class with I have these questions from this lesson. What's going on with this? So it was uh that's one thing I like to see as well. Sometimes there are students who have questions and don't ask them like ever. Yeah. And you will never get an answer that way. Unless you're you start doing some self-research or something like that, you really aren't going to be successful. So I encourage any students who are listening, if you have questions, you gotta ask them. Right? That's that's part of what you're doing here. So aside from the challenges, what were some of the positive aspects of your experience with level one? Um, I really enjoyed um kind of hearing the lectures, and I think we had a really like good group of classmates. Uh everyone was kind of like they were participating and there was kind of a back and forth. Um, and it just kind of made the experience like more enjoyable. Like it wasn't just I'm sitting there and I'm hearing stuff talked at me. Um, like there was a conversation almost. Um and it was just it was great finally kind of learning the things that I've been wanting to learn. Like I get to work in the shop, but I don't really have things broken down and explained. And uh it was just really cool. I enjoyed it. Nice. Yeah, and I think some of those friendships and and and um connections you make carry on and can carry on for the rest of your career. You see it here today. Yeah. Uh you had a whole bunch of buddies show up to help with the skills competition. That's that took a day off their schedule to be here, and and you know, it was kind of cool that way too. So all those connections from level one is just somebody you get to know and and keep going through life with, which is cool. Yeah. All sorts of stuff. Like there's guys I went to school with who have their own shops and their connections for sometimes they'll send me work, sometimes I need you know, hook up on tires or something like that, whatever it may be. Uh, the these connections will follow you along. And that's there are some students who don't socialize all that much. Yeah, but I was happy to see with your group everyone was kind of all got along for the most part. That was a great group. And one thing that I'd like to say, and you you said as well as the dialogue back and forth, because you're a quiet person, and you probably picked that up on this podcast that you're not the most talkative person in the world. Um, but you would always throw in something, or you would come up at the end of class and have a few people around to you know have that conversation about what's going on, and maybe you didn't understand it then, but you'd try and get to know it with everybody, or in lab, it was a group of people that was like, How do we do this? So a dialogue and conversation makes the class class better, and it also allows for other people to explain things. Like we were talking about O'Neill. O'Neill was great at explaining it a different way, you know. So it's it if if I can't explain or Mr. Gill can't explain it, never happened before. Whatever. Um I definitely couldn't explain it sometimes. Um, but you know, you have another student in the class that may get it and you know could help move that along. So yeah, absolutely. And sometimes I even find there's students who like, okay, there's three guys who work at like Volkswagen, yeah, and they start talking about something, and that's not my experience. And so I don't have the mental image of what that I don't know, suspension system looks right on you know, off the top of my head with a Volkswagen or something, right? So to be able to get that back and forth with the students, it's really good when you have students who are willing to contribute. Yeah. Yeah, it helps build the relationship and it makes the class more interesting. Totally. All right, tough question. What was your favorite class? You have two of your teachers

Favorite Classes And Loving Fuels

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right here. I know. And D'Amico, that's definitely not listening to you. You gotta say WPP. Yeah, so we'd be very happy right now. I think probably it would have had to be like electrical and fuels. Yeah. Specifically fuels. Like I really thought that I was gonna struggle. I'm shocked by the fuels part of that. Yeah, so keep going, please. Like, yeah. Uh yeah, I really thought like I was nervous about electrical because that's like my weak point. Um, and I'm really glad that I had D'Amico for electrical. Um he explained things really well, and he's got all the drawings and um physical violence. Yes, physical violence. You're not supposed to admit that. No. So yeah, the uh like just kind of the vibe in the classroom was awesome. Um, it was like fun, so it made me want to pay attention more. And uh especially fuels, like we got closer to the end there where it was uh like people were just like firing out questions and he was answering these things. And uh like it was a lot of things that I'd just been curious about and I never really thought to ask. Cool. Nice. Yeah, he does a great job with that like just random question and flies with it. So uh so what about fuels uh really sparked that interest? Like, do you have a specific thing? Uh I learned a lot about diesel um that like I knew nothing before. Um about all I knew about like diesel engines was they don't have a spark plug. Okay. So it was really it was really interesting to hear about that. Um and the stuff that we learned in fuels was also helpful for my engines class. Like it kind of went in tandem. Yeah, nice. Yeah, exactly. Cool. Um all right, second favorite class, drive trains for sure. I'm kidding. No, it actually was. Oh no, it was SSB. No, I'm kidding. So I have a question for you. Coming into school, uh, what would what did you think your favorite class was gonna be? Because I I'm I have an idea of what people come in and want to learn about because what I think is cool, but I'm really curious about now that we know that you know fuels and electrical was the top, what did you think it was coming in? I thought it was gonna be either like SSB or drivetrains because I kind of like tried to like read up on what I was gonna be learning. And SSB, like I was really familiar with a lot of the stuff. Um, so I just thought like, okay, it'll be kind of I'll be able to hone in on what I'm already kind of familiar with. Um and drivetrains I was looking forward to because I heard it was gonna be manuals. Okay. And like I drive a manual and I don't know, I didn't know how it worked. Cool box, right? Yeah, mystery box. And so it was really cool to kind of learn that like that's what I'm using every day, and that's how that's how the power moves through. Yeah, cool. Uh, I thought you were gonna say engines, and I I always ripping apart engines and putting them back together. People think engines is the coolest, which is neat to see that. Well, you also did some research because you're like, Oh, I'm gonna learn this. That's unheard of. Yeah, you know, most people are like, I like the way it sounds. Yeah, so most people are like, I didn't know I was supposed to be here today. I don't have a pencil. No, but that's cool. So I also I'm glad that it was uh, you know, learning about transmissions because a lot of people just say, Oh, I just replace them. And uh, you know, you get to level three with automatics and it's like I just replace them. I'm like, yeah, but learn. Like,

Replace Vs Rebuild And Pride

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this is cool stuff. So I I appreciate hearing that. Yeah, I'm not really a fan of how things are going with like just replace it, replace it, replace it. Like, I wish we were learning how to rebuild like calipers and transmissions and everything. Like I just it's better to fix stuff. What what makes you want to do that? It just it feels wasteful and it also feels like I could be so much more like it's a waste of potential talent, I guess. Well, it it's satisfying fixing something that's broken. Yes to strip it down to its guts, find the issue, fix it, put it back together, and it's working. I get that. That is kind of like my drive as a tech. Yeah, that's really interesting to me because most people are like, oh, I can just order a cheap caliper, you know, ideally not a technician. Do you know what I mean? Like as a as a uh and if we just want to say a mechanic, as a mechanic, that is what made me want to be a mechanic. I don't even care if I'm fixing cars. Let it be a dryer. Yeah. A couple weeks ago I had a little toy for my niece. It's a little rabbit. And if once you flick the switch, it like goes pop, pop, pop, and it like squeaks and it stopped working. I took it apart. There's a wire on the motor that was disconnected, soldered on a new connection, put it together. And well, it's my nephew now, he's a little younger, he loves that thing. Yeah, right. And it's just like it's so satisfying to fix those things. That's what I find, and that's what I want to hear cool out of students and people getting into the trade. It's like you're in it for the right reason. The guy's like, I just want to do tires and brakes all day. As a level one, like I worry because you're gonna get you gotta get bored of that after 25 years. Yeah, exactly. Like there's a future of uh like you evolve as a tech, hopefully, to do that. And for you at where you are in your career to already say I want to rebuild calipers is kind of cool. And I wonder, I'm curious to see where you choose to go in your future because that is like a restoration style thing, right? Like we had Jesse and Chudy on from the Autobody, and they would say they get a car and have to restore it, and some of those parts you have to rebuild. So yes, but even my buddy AK was here. Shout out AK who helped us judge today. We've rebuilt calipers on his car, sure, right? So as technicians, we can do this stuff on our own vehicles too, right? And it's just not as common, right? It's not, yeah. So, like, I'm curious to see where, because of your mindset already, where that kind of takes you with some of that stuff, because yeah, the world's at your fingertips, really. Yeah. Well, I feel like these skills are kind of getting lost because it's just becoming a replacement industry and we're not taking things apart and fixing it. Wait a second, she's got a script that says Jane D'Amico. Yeah, this is the kind of stuff we always talk about, right? It's it's it's interesting to hear it from a student. Yeah. Yeah, like anytime I have to throw something away that like I hear like, oh, we used to rebuild this, and like that's just a waste. Part of it is also like I want to be able to be proud of what I do. And I feel like if like I spend my career and I'm just this doesn't work, throw it out, this doesn't work, throw it out. I'm not gonna get that same satisfaction versus like, oh, I had to tear this apart, I had to do this, I had to do that. I put it back together with my own hands and now it works. Yeah, I'm curious because um like for me, I don't want to rebuild a caliper, but an engine I'll rip apart and throw back together. And I wonder if it's because you're at that start point, and then as you keep going into bigger and bigger things, you are kind of doing some of that. So I'm curious if it is, you know, I'm curious as you go on in your career and get into bigger uh engines or whatnot, you know. I wonder if that's if the if that's your like desire is to like fix some of the bigger things with that, which is great. But I also think it's cool to to like rebuild all that stuff, like an alternator or a you know, uh a caliper or whatever a steering rack and pinion, like you never hear of these things being rebuilt because the replacement's right there or recycled, you know what I mean? If the replacement is there, yeah, but then you get into a lot of stuff where it's like either the replacement is ridiculously expensive, yeah, or what we call a Chrysler NS1, they don't make that part anymore. And man, I we were we were getting up one of the technicians at work was getting upset because there was a vehicle that was only 11 years old and they don't make the part anymore. He's like, this thing's only 11 years old, but they don't make that model. They're only legally required to make the parts available as long as they're making that model a vehicle. Oh, really? And that's it. Yeah. So if you can rebuild it and because nothing, if it's not available, then you can fix that car where no one everyone's like, oh, sorry, you need a new car, right? No one wants to hear that, right? So uh there is still that uh uh net like necessity of it to rebuild and be able to fix individual parts. And of course, you know, if a caliper is 120 bucks or even cheaper, sure, throw the caliper on, you know, one it's not all rusted or whatever it may be. But if it's a performance caliper and it's a little bit more expensive and it's just a leaking seal, right? That's after it. That performance factor does change things too, right? Because if it's just an OEM caliper, you know, it may not be worth it. But if you can get a seal kit for performance caliper, then totally like I get that too. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, exactly. Like I totally get why we just replace like OEM calipers. Like it saves so much time if the price is relatively the same, like it's it makes sense. But I just kind of like I want to know that for myself that I can do that. Yeah. So it's not even necessarily like I want to be rebuild every single caliper that I have to change. It's like I want to know that I can. Sure. Yeah. And that's it. Sometimes you want to know why it failed. Yeah. What I would do when stuff would fail under warranty or whatever it is, I'd keep the old part on my bench. And then after, at the end of the day, when there's time, tear it up. Let's just start ripping it apart. What happened here? I just want to know. Even if I can't replace or repair this part. Because of knowledge, yeah. Yeah. Well, one of the guys at my shop, like we actually we do that like in the slow seasons. Uh, if we replace a part, like he'll be like, okay, hold on to this, and if we're not doing anything, then let's take it apart and we'll like he kind of shows me how it works, and like we've taken apart all kinds of cool stuff. Awesome. That's really good. Yeah, it's really great. I think that's a good idea. That's how you learn that. Yeah, yeah. It's good.

The Commute And Study Habits

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What was the worst part of your experience in level one? I'd have to say it was probably the commute. Um, I'm from Aurelia, so it was like two hours-ish. Um like each way, right? Yeah. Yeah. So four hours in the car a day. Oh my god. Yeah. Do you listen to podcasts like this one? Yeah, I actually started listening to this. Well, no, I did start listening to this one. Um, like I think I listened to the uh the one on clutches, like on the way into like a test we had. Yeah, I assigned that for you guys. It's like, hey, I need views. Can you listen to this, please? Uh, what else? Like music, or did you just sit there and wallow saying, What is wrong with my brain and engines or you know, whatever the case might be? Yeah, no, lots of music. Um yeah, I kinda like the morning was a lot nicer of a drive than the afternoon. Oh why? I think it was it was just because of the coffee. What I'd stop at Tim's and what time do you hit the road in the morning for that commute? Usually like 5 45 to 6 on the road. Yeah, yeah. Because I'd try to get in early and I'd do some studying in the morning. What time would you roll in then? It was like eight o'clock ish. Yeah, eight, eight thirty. Yeah. Um yeah, maybe I left a little bit later than that then. Sure. Ballpark. But uh yeah, I try to get in a little bit early. Um just that's the best time to study. Yeah. Like you get a coffee at the calf or whatever you're doing, and just like I used to do that too when I was a student here. It was I'd come in early and that was my favorite time to review stuff. And it's quiet. You know, and then I we actually had a card game going every morning too, because we study my acts. Easier playing cards and poker. We would study, we would study and do our homework and everything like that, and then we'd all play president or whatever, and just a bunch of cards, and it was really cool because that community, again, with with your friends, right? It made the college experience nice. So yeah, that's good. Yeah, it was uh like it was also nice because when I first kind of started um this course, it like I was leaving it till like my ETA would be nine o'clock and I wouldn't get here till like nine twenty-five. That's the worst. Driving down Warden, and you're like, come on. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so it takes away the stress too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, good call. Um so and do you think it was fatigue on the way home? Yeah, like you're you just had your brain melted from a whole bunch of content. A two-hour drive is enough to make you tired. Totally. Let alone having spent all day in a classroom consuming content. So yeah, yeah. That's that's that's crazy. Good for you. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, and you would stick around after class too to try and like get all of it too, right? Like uh I've I've seen you in the drivetrains lab with a bunch of people just trying to figure stuff out for another half hour after class, which is which is great. That's what you want to see, except for when it's a snow day and it was like a four-hour drive home, I'm sure. But yeah, because we did have some serious snow this year, yeah. But yeah, it was uh like I'd always stick around when I had the chance. Um, because I wanted to make the most of my experience. Like I wanted to kind of I have a short time here and I wanted to kind of learn as much as possible during that time. Totally. No, I like that a lot. All right. Well, that was a quick episode, but we're cooked from skills. So I, you know, it's been a long day, and I think we can ask you a couple questions, and you gotta drive home, which is you know hopefully smoother on a Saturday. Yeah, hopefully there's no traffic. Yeah,

Dream Car TV Picks And Wrap

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all right. Well, speaking of driving, if you could have any vehicle, now we've seen some absurd ones over the the couple years we've done the podcast, but any vehicle, price is no limit. It could be a fictional thing, you know, anything in the world. What's a fictional vehicle? I don't know, like a some spaceship or like Thor's hammer, X-Winger. Thor's hammer. That would be cool. That's you, yeah. Um, anything in the world, what would you drive? And if you have a road that you would drive it on, what do you think you what would you do? I think I would want a 1976 Pontiac Firebird. Oh, really? Um, my dad had one since he was 18. Okay. And he used to drive me around in it, and like I was little, like five, and he'd take me under a bridge and he'd rev it up, and that would be that was those are some of my best memories, and uh I would just love to have that car. He sold it a couple years before I got into cars. Okay. So you want to find that car. Yeah. I yeah, yeah, I want to find that car. So if you have Emma's dad's car, give it back. Yes, give it back. I'm coming for you. Uh and and do you have a specific spot you'd want to drive it? Nothing specific. Is there a specific bridge you remember it rumbling underneath? No, I just want like a long, windy road. Okay. And uh that's about it. No potholes, please. Yeah, have all the good luck. Yeah, so nowhere around here then. Yeah, that's cool. I love that. Yeah, that's a good memory and and a good car too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Alright. Um, so along another vein, favorite movie or TV show? Uh when I watch TV, I usually my go-to is it's always sunny in Philadelphia. Nice. I know Campbell here is a big fan of the show. Never watch the show. Even though we keep telling you about it. And Arnold Schwarzenegger? Yeah. Do you have a isn't that Junior? No, Arnold Schwarzenegger's not. What is uh do you have a favorite do you have a favorite episode? No. My favorite character's gotta be Charlie. Yeah, Charlie's the best. Charlie's definitely the best. Charlie is the best. Yeah. Frank's a close second. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Yeah, they have a really strange dynamic. They really are. They get weird. Okay. Awesome. And that is something that would uh probably make D'Amico pretty happy too. D'Aiko's a fan of the show, too. Yeah. Yeah. So always why? What about the show? It's it's really unique. Like, you don't really find a lot of sitcoms that are really willing to go the places with humor that they go. Okay. Um it's just like it's always entertaining. Cool. It's not boring or repetitive, like the later seasons get kind of, but it's uh it's good. All right. And you love that show too, right? Oh yeah. The humor, it's exactly what she said. What the go places, but it's not like just shock value. Yeah. Like they build the characters in a certain way. There's always very good story arcs, and there's just certain things that are just they're so funny from it. Like little things too. There's at one point where Charlie Charlie's character goes, Carol! And like, so we have a uh Carol who works here in our office. Every time I open that door, I want to say that. But uh, yeah, there's all sorts of just little funny things in that show. You gotta watch it. They're like what 17 seasons in or something. They're still going. They're still going. Yeah, yeah. So it's it's really good. All right. That's great. Well, Emma, thank you so much for sticking around after a long day of skills. And thank you for showing up and competing. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Well, thanks for having me. It's been a fun one. Um, yeah, and shout out to the rest of the competitors, you know, all of them that were here doing it from heavy truck to the painting to the you know body shop. Um we'll see some of you at Ontario Skills. Definitely, yeah, which is in uh month or so, two months? About May 5th, I believe is the date. So uh which we may be doing another one of these there. So that could be fun as well. So, Emma, again, thank you so much for joining us. If you have a question or want a topic on the podcast or anything, I'm I've oh sorry, I was gonna say I've never got an email, but Emma actually sent us an email. Yeah, I think I definitely did forward it to you. You don't pay attention to me. I am on my emails. Um, Alex Grupp, who was also on the pod when I sent the emails to us. So um Yeah, we've got a couple. And what oh shoot, I'm an idiot. We could have talked about what she wanted us to talk about. You just ended off with, oh shoot, I'm an idiot. End it like that. That would be the best. All right, folks, if you have any questions or comments or recommendations about things we can talk about, you can leave an email. The email is below. We've had a couple people reach out to us and we're considering and changing some things up. So we're always looking for your input. This is the Talking with School of Transportation Podcast. 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