Detangle by Kinjal
Detangle is a podcast created by health psychologist and writer, Dr Kinjal Goyal. Each episode is a conversation with an expert in their field, as they dive deep into their journerys and experiences. The conversations are full of insight and a great way to hear, first hand, how the mind plays a pivotal role in almost everything that we do. The guests range from doctors, to writers, to those in entertainment and of course, those from mental health fields.
Detangle by Kinjal
Detangle with Maroof Umar
What if the stories of your childhood held the key to preserving your cultural heritage? Join us for a captivating conversation with Maroof Umar, a graphic designer turned storyteller, who embarks on a mission to safeguard the soft heritage of Lucknow. His narrative weaves through the vibrant streets of his hometown, fueled by family tales and community experiences that shaped his world. Inspired by the introspection brought on by the COVID-19 pandemic, Maroof has created a visual archive to connect future generations with the nostalgic traditions of his past, blending old-world charm with modern technology.
Balancing the tightrope of creativity and platform constraints, we delve into the joy and challenges of content creation. Discover how genuine intent and positive energy can lead to unexpected, affirmative feedback. We explore the essence of creative expression as a source of personal joy and the importance of maintaining authenticity despite logistical hurdles. The episode also highlights the power of collaboration, where each partnership breathes fresh energy and opens new avenues for growth in the creative journey.
As we navigate the complexities of generational views and male mental health, this episode sheds light on evolving societal norms. With insights from a psychologist, we discuss the evolving challenges faced by Gen Z in a tech-driven world and stress the importance of mindful social media use. Our conversation advocates for emotional freedom, equally for men, encouraging a supportive environment where feelings can be openly expressed.
Welcome to Detangle, where we untangle the complexities of life one conversation at a time. I'm your host, dr Kinjal Goel, a psychologist and a writer. Our guest today is the fabulous Mr Maruf Umar, a storyteller at heart and the guardian of the soft heritage of not just Lucknow but a lot of cities. By now. I have fallen in love with Lucknow, in fact, thanks to his work online, and I really can't wait to get into this conversation. Thank you, marufji, for taking so much time to join us in this episode. You're most welcome on Detangle.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much. You introduced me so beautifully. Thank you for having me. I'm looking forward to this conversation. We are here to share our feelings with you.
Speaker 1:Well, in the beginning, tell us, marufji, what is your scope, tell us about your qualifications, tell us about your work. Please give us your work. Give us a little introduction.
Speaker 2:Yes. So because I belong to Lucknow and this is a city of wonders and whatever is said about it is so little, and we feel that, whatever we get, it happened because of the mercy of this country and even today you can say that our work, everything we do, is from the city. So I was born and brought up here in Lucknow only, and I was a graphic designer. I started as a graphic designer. I started as a graphic designer, okay, and after 10 years in the graphic industry I realized that it's enough of desk job. I mean, how long will we work in front of a desk, in front of a computer? I thought when a perspective changed after COVID. I thought that nothing is the same when we are locked in our homes. Covid ke baad, ek perspective change hua.
Speaker 2:Yeh tab, yeh laga ke koi bhi cheez jo hai wo waise nahi hai, jab hum log apne gharon me bandh ho kaya. Aur yeh laga ke zindagi ki kya maine hai aur logo ke kya maine hai. Aur tab bhaagdol bhai zindagi se, jab hume kuch wakt mila to, yeh realize hua ke nahi kuch. I think kuch, kuch aisa karna chahiye, jisse jab hum roz raat me wapas ghar aayen aur soayen, toh andar ek khushi milni chahiye ki aaj humne kuch aisi cheez kariye, jo apne liye kariye, toh isi thought ke saath isi, isi, isi ke saath jazbe, ke saath humne kahania document karna shuru kiya.
Speaker 2:Aur mujhe? I have started documenting stories and I have a couplet, because in Lucknow, if you talk to someone, you will find every other person putting a couplet or a mishra on their words. Yes, absolutely so a couplet which I am very impressed with. It is something like this Now, I don't even remember, so I mean the stories about which people don't talk, the stories about which people don't want to talk about, or the stories that people have forgotten in today's modern world. So my job was to tell their stories, the things that we heard from our childhood, from our mother, from our father and from our elders. So those things seem to be irrelevant in today's era. So I thought, why not tell their story, their visual archive, and make it a documentation, so that maybe the things that we grew up listening to and saw them in front of our eyes, so that the future generations can reach them through this medium or connect with them? So with this thought, we started it, and this is how it started.
Speaker 1:There is a very beautiful connection between heritage and storytelling. You're presenting old things in a new way. You're using sub-technology as well, but you're touching everything that's close to everyone's heart. I've seen some of your videos. I'm sure everybody feels that nostalgia, that deep sense of knowing ki ye to humara bhi past rahe chuka hai. Lekin ye inspiration kaha se aayik? Did you get inspired by somebody or some event? How did you collaborate, you know, into this beautiful space of old and new?
Speaker 2:Haan. Toh I think iski jo shurwaat hui wo hamesha se har shaks ke. I think the beginning of this is that the first window for every person is their mother, because I'm sure most of the people, when we are young, we take our curiosity about everything to our mother, to our father, to our father, to my elders, when they ask me about the meaning of this, what is this? What is this? Then? The same thing happened with me when we were young the stories of my mother, the way she used to tell us, the way she used to introduce everything to us, that look, we are in Lucknow today. Apartment culture has become. Today, single families have become.
Speaker 2:In our time it was the movement of joint family. We used to live together, we used to have a neighborhood. So in the neighborhood we used to consider everyone as a family. So we used to know everyone that this is Manish uncle's house, this is our grandmother's house here, this is the house of our grandmother. Shahid Bhai lives here, rishi Bhai lives here. So this was a kind of inclusion of the neighborhood. So in that way, when someone passed from there that now see, Ruhi Dhunaai is passing through the bushes and in summers your Khoya Patti will go.
Speaker 2:So all these things passed in front of us and when we grew up and when we went out, we saw the outside world. We thought that all these things are not there anywhere, whether in small cities or in old cities. These things were present then and still they have some traces. So the thing that my mother told me, I thought that maybe these things are very important to tell the world because people don't talk about them.
Speaker 2:In general, they don't think that they have that much Instagrammable content that they will get reach from, that they will get views from. And this is a very slow-paced content, very easy, and this is a very slow-paced content which you can watch very easily. But it's because nowadays it's a very fast time where our attention span has become of 5-6 seconds In that era. If these things are also talked about and I am surprised that there are people who listen to this If people are watching, then I would be very happy. At least, if people are watching what we are making and are able to connect with it, I feel I think my job is done.
Speaker 1:I think there's this beautiful feeling of slowing down when I look at your work. It's a peace, it's a calmness and, no matter how fast-paced people's day is going on, if your reel comes from somewhere on Instagram, it seems like you just got a few minutes of peace and everyone is looking for this peace?
Speaker 2:Yes, I think they are looking for it, but algorithms don't say that. Algorithms say that your content should be 20 seconds long and in 3 seconds you should grab attention. Now you are breaking the algorithm and very beautifully.
Speaker 1:So more power to you. But tell me you have so much understanding in your work About your city craft food recipes, some old things, some new things. So this understanding, do you do research first or do you find something first, or do you try to know more about something?
Speaker 2:exciting or inspiring, and then record it that your responsibility is for everything. Your responsibility is for your parents, your brothers and sisters. Similarly, your responsibility is for your city as well. The city gives you an identity. It gives you an identity, so knowing about the city is also your responsibility.
Speaker 2:So the first thing came out of there, and the second thing was the curiosity behind knowing everything. If this is a neighborhood, if its name is Phool Bagh, then why is it like this? If this place is called Sundhi Tola, then why is its name like this? So these questions were always in my childhood, and when we started reading about it, we got another conflict. We got the idea that when we visited any building, the guide stories. There were very interesting stories. They were stories that if a person hears he will not be able to forget.
Speaker 2:But when we started reading them in real, we found out that it is an oral history and that tradition is not validated anywhere. So even then, I was very surprised that what we have been hearing since childhood, all those things have been rejected. So this started to push me a little bit, but then I realized that these two traditions float separately One is oral history and the other is factual history. So then I started reading more and then I started doing research and when I saw that people even today I don't take myself so seriously, but when I see people reading captions of videos and then when they reply in the comments, then I started feeling that this is a serious thing and everything should be backed up by facts and there should be citations. So then we started reading historians, books, gazetteers Even today as my priority. I don't refer online sources, I don't get inspired by them and do things. Because it's an open source, anyone can go there and edit and usually the algorithm there is designed in such a way that the spicy things rank above.
Speaker 2:And for good facts you have to go to the top. That's why I always prefer old school method of reading. There are books, there are gazetteers and the papers that people have presented. I still follow them for my research work.
Speaker 1:Actually, it has become very important in today's time that the right information also comes on the platform, where all the misinformation also roams, so that at least the listeners, the viewers, get a chance to get some truth From somewhere hidden by mistake. Some truth comes out, tell me, in your daily work, in your recording, in your research. It takes a lot of effort. There must be a lot of challenges. Sometimes, if you are emotionally going through a low moment, does your content change? Do you feel yourself drawn to something different at that time?
Speaker 2:I think, because this is a job that I started for my passion, so we never had this kind of or we were overwhelmed with this job. We enjoy it. I think these are the things in which we don't know the time, because we get to learn something new every day and we always tell people that the videos you watch are probably 10%. 90% are those things, those emotions that we see in the field, that remain within us and that changes our perspective of seeing things. But yes, definitely, puri, puri din kaam karte hain.
Speaker 2:Aur unko koi recognize? Tak nahi karta Maitla hai Main aise artisan se mila Ke jino ne shayad Un saariyo pe kaam kiya hai Jo Bollywood ke naam war Logo ne pehni hai. Par unka koi recognition nahi hai Unki mehnta na unko nahi milta To ye realize hota Ye kitne privilege me. Ham log hai Ke sh that if we make a video today then everyone will watch it, they will call us and give us an award and a stage and all that. But I still feel that then we get more motivation, that if we can be the voice of these people, then maybe we can correct that guilt in our hearts that at least we did our work and the rest is in the hands of the world. It is our duty to change our perspective for them.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. You said such a beautiful and deep thing. It seems so simple, but it's so deep that there are so many people who have art in their hands and until that art is not recognized, that art will not be able to survive Today, if we want to give all this to our children, if we want them to be able to see or enjoy these things today, it is India's heritage, it is India's culture, but if we don't bring it forward, then there is no scope for its survival.
Speaker 2:Yes, without a doubt.
Speaker 1:Tell me personally what is creativity for you? Is it completely allowed to be creative in this field when you say that there is an algorithm or Instagram keeps you on a short leash, that you will only be able to move forward if you do this much. So do you have to balance this what you have to say and what people can see? Do you have to create a balance in between all the time?
Speaker 2:Look. I think bhot soobsoor question hai aapka kya hai? Kya kya hai toh mere liye creativity khushi hai kya? Wo cheez karke jise mujhe khushi mil rahi hai? Kya agar dil bada khush ho raha hai us video ko dekh karke jo humne banai aur wo independent?
Speaker 2:He is independent, no client is giving me money for that and I decide for him that I have to put this shot like this and I have to say so many things, and for the things I have to say, there is no one behind me who can control that, and without any filter. If I am taking that to the audience, then I think for me in today's age, the definition of creativity is this and I do the same thing that I like. So I think it is for everyone out there who wants to start content creation. If you're not enjoying it, if you're not getting happy, then you won't be able to do it for a long time and then you'll compromise. So make it for others later. First make it for yourself. If you're happy, then that happiness, that energy I'm a very firm believer of energy and I believe that energy always transfers from one form to the other. If you're happy, if you've made anything with happiness, then automatically that happiness will be transferred to its viewers and they'll be happy. Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Just like you mash up old and new, you have also mash up physics and poetry today. You have brought the rules of energy into such beautiful language. Tell me, in making such content, in shooting, you must also have some logistical problems. Sometimes the weather, sometimes the rain, sometimes the crowd. What challenges did you have to face?
Speaker 2:I think when we started, there were a lot of challenges. We used to approach people ourselves and say your house is so beautiful, it's an old building, we'll come and document it. Then people probably. So. When we started, we faced many challenges. When you don't have an audience, when you don't have a job to show, it's very difficult to make people believe, because technology has advanced so much in your era that people look at every camera from a doubt, every camera. They are not reporting anything, they are not showing anything that they are not concerned about. In the beginning we had to face a lot of challenges. People did not give us permission, people did not give us access. But gradually, when an audience is built, we start receiving messages that we have a good thing If we can show the world through your platform. So I think these changes are coming to know that, okay, we have a good thing on your platform if we can show the world. So I think these changes come and along with that, logistically, we have a lot of issues we think we used to have initially.
Speaker 2:Even today, because my core content is independent and my attempt is that I keep it 100% independent until it is in my hands my core content and I don't take any sponsorship in it, so that I can show the world in an unfiltered way. So that's why many times a lot of challenges come when we have to shoot outside. We have to take a good team, but at the end of the day we take it as a process. We take it as a learning curve. We take it as a learning curve and every day it's a new day for us. We don't plan too much, we try to do something every morning that makes us happy in the end, and I think we see the challenges in the same way. If you're reaching somewhere and that thing is not happening that way, then maybe there will be something better in it. So we don't press it too much and we try to do it in an organic way.
Speaker 1:Beautiful. Tell me all the pure things, all the simple things online. Have all faced online trolling somewhere or the other. Have you ever had such experiences when people have posted some negative comments, or have they followed you?
Speaker 2:I will say this, touchwood, this has not happened with me.
Speaker 2:You won't believe how many videos I have in which people make such comments.
Speaker 2:Recently a comment came I have so many videos where people comment on me that recently a comment came that it was written that I was afraid to open a comment, that maybe there will be a lot of negative comments.
Speaker 2:But when I opened this comment box I was so happy to open it that it filled so much positivity. So that's what I told you and I think a lot of people will believe this that always if any work is done with good intention, then its intention, its energy, is definitely transferred in front of you. If my motive is to spread happiness, then obviously the people in front of you will also see it from that perspective and they will also spread happiness in it. So till now I haven't had any such trolling and I hope that my motive is not too much of a trolling scope. If it is, I'd take it as a positive criticism, because freedom of speech is for everyone and every person wants to give their perspective. If they feel that they should give his perspective in a different way that doesn't match mine, then I welcome it with open hands, but I still feel that my work makes people happy.
Speaker 1:How nice. I have seen that you have done very beautiful collaborations with so many people. Which collaboration was your favorite collaboration till now? Beautiful collaborations with so many people. Which collaboration was your favorite so?
Speaker 2:far. Look until it doesn't happen. It's my favorite, and once I open it, I feel like I'm over it. And now for the next thing we start preparing ourselves.
Speaker 2:But I think what I enjoyed the lot in all these collaborations was when I met so many people who are experts in their fields and who have done such amazing work. And when we meet them personally, then we get to see their personal side. We get to learn a lot from them. Even after all this. He is so grounded and how he looks at the world, his view of the world that he looks at, his view of the world that he looks at that really impresses us. And that's it, I think I, because I really like food. So when we worked with Ranveer Raar, I had a lot of fun Because I am his biggest fan and his biggest fan is my mom. So he had a lot of fun Because I have worked with so many celebrities and stars. My mom never asked me to meet anyone, only Ranveer Rar. When I shot his shoot, he told me you didn't get me to meet him, so it won't be right. So I think that was my favorite.
Speaker 1:So lovely when something is complete, it goes a full circle. So your inspiration, your mom, when it completes with your work, it just feels so wholesome, such a full circle. So your inspiration, your mummy, your, you know, when it completes with your work, it just feels so wholesome, such a nice feeling. I agree so do you believe in manifestation A lot? Is there any dream that you have manifested and it has been fulfilled?
Speaker 2:Often Like I think there are a lot of brands with whom I used to think that I will work. Sometimes I think about it and next week I get their messages.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, tell me what you are currently manifesting.
Speaker 2:Look, right now, my goal is a long-term goal is that people's perspective, that handicraft. We have to change that. People who are sitting at the side of the road and making things with their hands. We have to put the importance of this in people's minds, that they get that respect and that respect and people should see their work from that perspective.
Speaker 2:As you just saw, there was a trend. It was a very small trend. There was a kid's toffee Kinder Joy, harry Potter's figure was being released in it. For that the entire internet went crazy. I mean, people were buying it crazily. Yes, my sister, I think, bought a whole box of it. She started collecting it. So I thought this is an internet world. A youngster who will go crazy can change that thing night after night. So I still feel that the day youngsters for these handmade products, for these local for local get puzzled, that day we will change the entire ecosystem. That day they will get fair wages, that day they will get respect. And that day when we get so much boost to our economy that it can't be possible with anything else, that's right.
Speaker 1:The day it becomes an overnight success. You'll remember that it was so much effort, then it became an overnight success.
Speaker 2:This is our wish. Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1:And, inshallah, it will be fulfilled If you are working hard towards it with all your heart. So many people are joining slowly, followers are increasing, everybody is noticing and everybody is liking something. Somewhere. Someone is touching something or the other. Charmin, if you had to give some advice to your younger self, if you met 12-year-old Maruf ji today, what would you say?
Speaker 2:Yes, I think that's a very important question. I think about it every day and I think that in so many years, the one thing that I have tried to adopt and still trying to do, is that maybe any person who is in his early I think teenage or early twenties, for him the most important thing is that he impacts his decisions by thinking of others, and I think this should not happen. So I also advise myself that it is not right to impact your decisions by thinking of others. What people will say, what people will think, what will happen to them? It doesn't matter, because maybe today people don't have the time to think about others. People are so much engrossed, they are so much busy in their own self that they don't have time to think about others, and for that we stop.
Speaker 2:So many things, change so many things that, okay, I wore this today, I look like this today because of this. What will my front people think about me? But that doesn't happen at all. Every person thinks about himself. He is looking at himself in the mirror. Maybe if you see him, he will remember you for 5-6 seconds and then forget. And just for that, we make so many things, so many mountains in our mind and we don't take our life to the direction we want to take it. So my advice would be that don't think about anyone. Do what you want to do, and only then you can make your life very beautiful.
Speaker 1:So beautiful. I hope that today, a lot of people of 12-13 years old will listen to this and get this advice, because when they grow up maybe they will want to tell themselves the same thing. If someone is saying today, then listen. Okay, marufji, you must have seen a physical first aid box it will be there in the house too in which you keep band-aids, antiseptics, everything you know. There are some days when we get a little injury. We don't need a doctor, we can fix it ourselves, but we feel like such a box. If you have a mental first aid box sometimes you are sad and you are happy to open that box immediately then what would you like to keep in such a mental first aid box.
Speaker 2:See, I feel that this thing has become very rare and this is a very beautiful question that if in today's era, in my mental first aid box, my some of my friends who don't judge me on any level and whom I can talk to with open heart and meet me, then maybe a better thing for my mind, for my mind, will not happen. Because in today's era, when one person doesn't have time for the other person, then if those people get together, those friends get together because there is nothing more beautiful than friendship. There is nothing in the world and it is very rare to get real friendship or good friendship. Because in this social media era, people are so envious about each other Because the line has ended here Now.
Speaker 2:Earlier it used to be that the work you do or if you have any skill set, then it used to take a lot of time to acquire that skill set. But today, because of content creation now everyone is a content creator, everyone has a mobile phone, everyone can do that so that barrier is getting over. That's why people are becoming envious to each other. That's why true friendships have decreased. The good ones, the ones you can talk to with an open heart, have decreased. I still remember when we used to have a keypad phone or when it was the time of TCO, when we were not exposed to so many technologies. Then we used to talk to our friends all day long, sit with them, share everything with them. So you don't get that feeling anywhere. So if you get that selected friend or that outlet in today's time, so I think keep that in mind and respect it a lot, because it's very rare.
Speaker 1:I totally agree, and talking to someone is beautiful, but sitting quietly with someone without saying anything, drinking a cup of tea, that is also so beautiful.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's right.
Speaker 1:Let's play a rapid fire round with you. I'll ask you some questions. You can answer them without thinking. Answer quickly which is your favourite book my favourite book is on Lucknow.
Speaker 2:It is written by Abdul Haleem Sharad Gozishta, lucknow. I like that a lot.
Speaker 1:I read it many times, you too who is your favourite movie character, saru Khan?
Speaker 2:Saruk Khan, our favorite Okay.
Speaker 1:What is your biggest pet peeve? What is it that always annoys you? I mean, it just makes you angry.
Speaker 2:I think I don't like people who are two-faced, I mean who are different in front of you and behind you. I don't like those kind of people.
Speaker 1:Okay, very nice. Tell me, what is it that you used to believe in before, but now you no longer believe in it?
Speaker 2:I don't believe in fiction anymore. I used to believe in it before, a lot Okay.
Speaker 1:What is your most prized possession?
Speaker 2:I think, being of my elders, and I still think that they can advise me at every step.
Speaker 1:How beautiful. I have not experienced a more beautiful answer to this question. Thank you so much. I feel so honored that we were able to do so many things in such a short time. But before let me turn the table a little bit for you. I have asked you all the questions so far, but, as a psychologist, is there any question that you want to?
Speaker 2:ask me. I mean, I think there are a lot of questions, but I think that I want to ask you that, nowadays, the young generation which we call Gen Z, whose mind doesn't stop at one thing, for them, tell us what is their view, which does not stop at one thing. So, for them, tell us what is their view on today's world.
Speaker 1:Actually their view. Neither they clearly know nor the great elders are able to understand. I am getting to see a lot of places, a lot of people. Employers, they say, like senior employers in their 50s and 60s. They say we are not able to employ Gen Z. They don't understand that they don't do a job, they don't stick to a job, they don't manage a career. What is going on? And on the other hand, there is Gen Z who say we want to do so much but we are not able to understand. According to me, the generation gap has increased a lot. Earlier there used to be a generation gap every 10 years. Nowadays it happens every 2 years. This generation has some qualities. There was a very beautiful song earlier. I don't know if you have heard it. Maybe we thought Basi was a wood and we couldn't hear his sound, so this generation.
Speaker 1:We are not able to see their qualities. They do very quick work. They bring maximum results in less effort. We have to understand their generation now. This AI generation has also become a big problem for them, but they are enduring it.
Speaker 1:Today, if we smoke cigarettes in front of our children for 10 years, and after 10 years, if they get a lung disease, what will they say when they grow up? Papa, you knew it. Mama, you knew, knew. Why did you smoke in front of us? We were troubled. Today, these children are so small but we have held the phone in their hands. We have given them technology. What will they say after 10 years? What has affected our mind? You knew. Why did you give us the phone? So today, our responsibility is to explain them a little. Teach them to use technology properly, like how they drive a car wearing a seatbelt. By the way, they should use online seatbelts. Use some safety. This generation will go very far. They just need a little blessing and explanation from the elders. Whatever you have, we have, they just need to get it. Ke ashirwaad aur samjhane ki zerurat hai Jo aapke paas hai, humare paas hai, bas inhe mil jaye.
Speaker 2:Kya baat hai, acha ek ki uz mein, aur kaafi time se main ek cheez ke baare baad padh raha hu Ye jo aap saal reek duniya ho gaiye hai. Isse kya log apni reality ko bhule ja rahe hain aur isme hi apni instant gratification ke peechay bhaag rahe hain. Aur uski ek jo apni virtual duniya hai usme khushi doon rahe hain aur apni reality se ko andekha kar rahe hain. Kya aisa hai, ya ho ta ja rahe hai, bad raha hai kuch hattak ho raha hai.
Speaker 1:Kuch hattak hum instagram ko ya baaki social media ko theek se samaj properly. It's an addiction. Like today, if someone says, try cocaine, see if you get addicted, no one will do it right. You know it's a drug and you know that you have to stay away from it. It has some limitations. By the way, instagram and other social media platforms are all constructed to be addictive. Today, because it's free, we ourselves are own product.
Speaker 1:I am the person people want to reach out to as an advertiser. So the day everyone understands that we have to use social media as it is, as if we are using an addictive substance with complete control and with complete understanding, it can be a very beautiful space. I met a lot of good people online Today. I met you only because of Instagram. Be a very beautiful space no head, no legs, nothing. And nowadays there are AI reels coming out. It's visible that that monkey is made by AI, but that monkey is eating bananas. Everyone is watching, so this is not real, but this is addictive. So we need to accept social media as an addiction and then treat it accordingly, right.
Speaker 1:But, it was so beautiful, Mr Maroof, to meet you like this.
Speaker 2:One last question, go ahead, because I belong to a small town and I meet so many people, so many artisans. What do you think about male mental health? People don't talk about it that much and especially in small cities, it is not given any importance. So tell me your perspective on male mental health.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think it is so important. I'm so glad that someone asked this question. What happens today if a lady says that she doesn't feel good? I'm feeling depressed, I'm having anxiety. At least she can go and take help. But for a man to be a breadwinner till today, our patriarchal society is to a great extent. Men are supposed to be strong supporters, caregivers, protectors. When they say that today we are not feeling good, their employers get upset, their family stops trusting them. They don't get the support that a lady still gets. You see, a simple thing when you get married, the bride and groom both have a lot of emotions in their minds. But a bride can cry openly, can talk to her friends, but can a groom go and say that there is something wrong in my mind?
Speaker 2:He can't say that.
Speaker 1:But he should have this freedom. His life is also changing For a father, for a mother. For both of them there is an equal emotion, but the mother says it Because we accept emotions in women more easily. So I hope this changes. I hope men also start talking, and it's okay to have a low day Today. You also have some days where your energy is low. But if you can talk, like you said, if a friend who doesn't judge you, by the way, think if society doesn't judge us, then even men will get support.
Speaker 1:What a beautiful thing you said it was a lot of fun. Marukji, talking to you, I mean meeting. I hope that many people watch your page, follow your beautiful work, support Artisans through you. Tell us the spelling of your Instagram handle so that everyone can easily follow.
Speaker 2:Yes, my spelling is Maroof Kalman M-A-R-O-O-F-C-U-L-M-E-N.
Speaker 1:I personally highly recommend this page. Maine bohot enjoy kiya hai inke kaam ko and I continue enjoying it. More power to you, mr Maroof. I hope Bohot saare log aapke isme jude and bohot saare log, thank you so much.
