Got Purpose? How A Retired Lieutenant Colonel Found His Why: Interview with Jimmy Kleager

What happens when a retired military leader discovers his true purpose? In this profound conversation, Jimmy Klager, retired Lieutenant Colonel and CEO of Kalinowski Enterprises, reveals how finding his "why" transformed his life and business approach after 20 years of military service.

Jimmy shares the powerful moment he discovered his purpose: "to fight for the potential in others that's ready to be fulfilled so they can become the person God's calling them to be." This revelation now serves as his anchor, filtering every decision through the lens of his divine calling. The conversation unpacks how having a clear purpose eliminates indecision and creates momentum toward meaningful goals.

At the heart of Jimmy's philosophy is his "Five Fs" framework—Faith, Family, Fitness, Finance, and Future (with Friends added as a bonus F). This practical approach provides a roadmap for balancing life's competing priorities while staying aligned with your deepest values. Jimmy particularly emphasizes fitness as the component most people neglect, explaining how physical wellbeing affects everything from mental clarity to long-term fulfillment.

The most compelling moments come when Jimmy addresses fear and comfort zones. "What would you do if you weren't afraid?" becomes the catalyst for extraordinary growth. He vulnerably shares his own struggles with starting a podcast and public speaking, demonstrating that purpose-driven living isn't about fearlessness but about courageous action despite discomfort.

Whether you're questioning your direction, feeling stuck in fear, or seeking a framework to organize your priorities, Jimmy's wisdom offers practical guidance for discovering and living your purpose. Connect with Jimmy for coaching at jimmy@jimmycleger.com or call 970-697-7776.

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Transcript

Introducing Jimmy Klager

Tammy Hershberger 0:01

Welcome to the Light of Your Business Podcast, the show where we dive deep into the world of small businesses. I'm your host, Tammy Hirschburger, and each episode will bring you inspiring stories, expert insights, and practical tips to help your small business thrive. Whether you're an entrepreneur just starting out or a seasoned business owner, this podcast is your go-to source for success in the small business world. Let's get started. Hi everyone, we want to welcome you back to another episode of Life Your Business Podcast. I have Jimmy Klager back with me today. He was on, it's probably been a month or so ago already. The episode has not come out yet. It's we're getting closer to it.

Jimmy Kleager 0:39

Love it.

Tammy Hershberger 0:40

Um, and so from that episode, we had such a great conversation. We have some more things we want to revisit and go deeper into.

Jimmy Kleager 0:46

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 0:46

So for anyone, if you didn't see the first episode, which technically hasn't aired yet, um, he is CEO of Kalinowski. Thank you. I knew I was gonna mess it up.

Jimmy Kleager 0:55

Kalinowski Enterprises.

Tammy Hershberger 0:56

Thank you. I don't even know why I'm here. You just talk.

Jimmy Kleager 0:58

I'll just do it, I'll help you.

Tammy Hershberger 0:59

And then you're a retired lieutenant colonel for 20 years. You spent in the military.

Jimmy Kleager 1:04

Yep.

Tammy Hershberger 1:04

Um, anything else you want to add in there?

Jimmy Kleager 1:07

Uh I've got uh beautiful wife and three boys and uh two two official dogs, and then we usually adopt a couple extra dogs from our um from our sons.

Tammy Hershberger 1:20

Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 1:21

And six goats and a dozen chickens.

Tammy Hershberger 1:24

Do you have land that you live on?

Jimmy Kleager 1:25

Yeah, we live, yeah, we've got a couple acres. So little hobby farm.

Tammy Hershberger 1:28

I just talked to another guy who has uh 40 chickens and some cows, and he was like, it's so much work. They love it because they have a they have children, right? But he's like, I'm kind of over all the work.

Jimmy Kleager 1:38

It's fine. We get the I think the eggs that they're easy. Goats and chickens are pretty easy.

Tammy Hershberger 1:42

Yeah. Do you sell any of your eggs?

Jimmy Kleager 1:44

Uh not we we don't we don't make it or we don't get enough. Yeah, yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 1:49

Well, we get our eggs from a place in Delta right now because they're much cheaper in the store and they're better. But anyway, okay, so let's start off. Uh in this one, we're gonna start with we're gonna talk about why.

Jimmy Kleager 2:00

Okay.

Tammy Hershberger 2:00

Are you gonna tell us your why again? I know you shared it last time, but just for this episode, it'd be great. Okay. And then we want to talk about the five Fs that you brought up last time.

Jimmy Kleager 2:07

Okay.

Tammy Hershberger 2:07

Okay, so can you tell me about on the why? How did you first uncover your why?

Jimmy Kleager 2:12

Yeah, so I was searching. Uh, and and when when you talk about a purpose and you talk about a mission in life and coming out of the military, the military, you uh you kind of have a direct purpose. You know what you're doing, you know what you do every day. You show up, you you go to work, you know, as an infantryman, okay. We got to prepare for battle, we've got to get our teams ready to go, we've got to prepare, we've got to do the education, we got you know, the the technical skills, the knowledge skills, all that stuff, right? It's just but once once I retire, I was like, okay, so what's next?

Tammy Hershberger 2:42

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 2:43

And so just kind of fell into real estate for a period of time. But in that, even in that time, I was still searching. I was still searching, like, hey, what what is that where am I? And um, I've I've got a passion, even actually after uh our the first episode here, uh, had a even more of a passion now to to do a podcast, to get on social media, to to be really be an influencer out there, but I didn't know what my persona was supposed to be. Yeah. Because I could be a lot of things. Am I God-fearing? Am I husband? Am I father? Am I retired military guy? Am I Spartan racer? Am I the guy who's done the rim to rim to rim in the Grand Canyon three times? Am I the ultra-marathoner? You know, am I the passionate Christ follower? Am I the the guy that helps lead the men's conference at church? Uh what what what's that persona and how I'm showing up? And so that's really uh was my struggle as to how am I how am I showing up?

Tammy Hershberger 3:47

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 3:48

Because I wanted to be consistent, right? And they say that about uh you know about social media, you know, you gotta be that that consistency, committed and consistent to it. But I didn't know what that consistency looked like. You know, I forgot when in the real estate leader, I mean that was that was a big big part of it. I I do a lot of real estate coaching, and so but coach that that that's another space, right? Yeah, so so what it what was that that purpose, what was that that persona, and and what was my why for doing all of this?

Discovering Your Why

Tammy Hershberger 4:18

And then so well, can you share your why really fast with us?

Jimmy Kleager 4:23

Yeah, so my why is uh to help people uncover or find the potential in others, and so it's to find a potential in others that's ready to be fulfilled so that they can become the person God's calling them to be.

Tammy Hershberger 4:38

And um some people like especially now I'm I'm looking at doing a podcast on this, but I haven't fully got my episode ready. But uh talking about purpose and passion and what is the difference?

Jimmy Kleager 4:48

Great, yeah, good question. Um, so I look at purpose as the anchor, it's the underlying reason why you're doing something, and then your passion or your short-term things. So, you know, my my purpose is find the potential in others. That's my why is find the potential in others. Well, how do I do that? Well, I could do that through a podcast. That could be a passion, they could do it through going out and doing ultra running and maybe doing uh some episodes or doing showing up on social media as an ultrarunner and and helping people understand how or how to draw out the the potential in others if they want to go do something crazy that that we're doing.

Tammy Hershberger 5:23

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 5:24

So I I see this as the the purpose of your why is is the anchor, and that doesn't change, and then your passions change from season to season depending on on what you want to be passionate about in that season.

Tammy Hershberger 5:37

How long did it take you to come up with your why? I mean, like you listed all the things you do.

Jimmy Kleager 5:42

51 and three quarter years.

Tammy Hershberger 5:44

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 5:45

I mean, I mean, that tr truly, I mean, it's um now the process of finding the why was a weekend with my buddy Josh Kalinowski.

Tammy Hershberger 5:57

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 5:57

Right. And and we we deliberately took a weekend, we got away, um, and we went through the process. You know, that there's two books. There's you know, start with why uh with Simon Sinek and then Find Your Why, which is a spin-off of of Start Your Why. It's not Simon actual, but it's it's rooted in that. But it's a couple of guys that work for Simon. Okay. Um, so I just I just followed the process. And as we work through the process, as Josh and I work through the process, uh, it took us a full day to come up with it. Um and then and then you want to sit in it for a little bit, but once you once it's there, you you know it's there. Like it just hits you.

Tammy Hershberger 6:39

I'm curious on that day. So like obviously you pre-read those books, I'm guessing.

Jimmy Kleager 6:42

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 6:43

Okay. And then so are you just spitballing ideals with each other? Are you asking each other? What is that?

Jimmy Kleager 6:47

No, okay. So so the the the process is number one, um, me as a person trying to find my why, I have to tell stories to Josh.

Tammy Hershberger 6:58

Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 6:59

And I had a a a series of stories pre-lined, you know, just I had topics. I didn't actually type them out, and they don't want you to type them out, they just want you to just to share your stories. And so Josh is listening to those stories, and he's finding common themes, he's c finding common threads, quotes, um, and then he'll ask clarifying questions during that time. And so uh, you know, there's all kinds of topics from stuff that happened as a kid to army life to kids to how the the topics there's no one specific topic. It's what you feel like sharing with the person that you're sharing it with. Okay. Now, here's here's the key is my wife could not be the other person. And why is that because she's really nice and she's like, oh, that's amazing. Oh, that's good. She wouldn't she wouldn't dig in, and that's what I love about her. I mean, she she truly is an amazing lady for for that reason, but I knew that Josh was the guy that would dig in and ask those those clarifying questions and would really get to the root of the theme behind that particular story.

Tammy Hershberger 8:20

Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 8:20

And so then once you've got all these these themes, you start looking at all these themes, you start putting all these themes together, and out of that comes your true why, your true passion. And I love to fight for the potential in others. Yeah. And when we when we came to that res that that realization that I fight for the potential in others so that, or that's ready to be fulfilled. So it's potential that's there. I mean, by by by pure nature, potential is already there. But it's ready to be fulfilled so that, and then there's always that so that, because there's got to be that reason why you're doing it. And and for me, it was so that they can become the person God wants them to be. And and you know, we batted around, we came, you know, some couple of different themes, but when we finally settled on that particular why, it was like, okay, that's the underpinning, that's the that's the why that were that it truly speaks to me. And it's something that when it was revealed, it was kind of like there's so much truth to that. And I can go back all the way back to probably go all the way back to Boy Scouts in middle school and and in you know early high school to go. I was doing that. I could, I could, I could find, I could probably come up with events in there where I was helping find, fight for the potential in others.

Tammy Hershberger 9:44

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 9:44

All through college. Then you go to the military, and now I'm here in real estate. It's like yeah, it's it's all there, and it made complete sense for me. So there's now this beautiful definition for me to show up. And so it doesn't matter whether I'm a real estate leader, a husband, a father, uh, you know, God forgot me. It doesn't all those personas now go away because I've got this anchor.

Tammy Hershberger 10:07

Yeah, and that's kind of your North Star, right?

Jimmy Kleager 10:09

It's my absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely.

Tammy Hershberger 10:11

I think it's cool because I was talking to someone recently about this, telling them that we were gonna do this episode, and we were talking about that of like it it kind of just makes things so much easier, whether it's a business decision, a family decision, yeah, personal. It's like, okay, does it fit in my why? And if not, then it's an easy no for me. Right. Because sometimes we agonize that we're like, oh, it's a great opportunity, but and it's like, well, you know, whatever your why is, if it's your family and whatever, right? And it takes you away from your family, then maybe we shouldn't do that. Right. It's a quick, easy.

Jimmy Kleager 10:37

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 10:37

Right.

Jimmy Kleager 10:38

So I was uh I'm I'm working on my John Maxwell coaching certification.

Tammy Hershberger 10:42

Yes. Right now. Are you loving that? Because I'm very interested in that.

Jimmy Kleager 10:45

Oh, I'm well, I'm so I'm I'm in the first series, like let's get started series. Um and one of the the the speaker was saying, hey, listen, you know, he talks about uh um time, time management. Because we all we all have what fourteen hundred and forty minutes in a day. So how many of this? Yeah, wow um and they talk about breaking your day into three three blocks. Okay, sleep for eight hours, you're working for eight hours, what are you doing with the other eight hours? Right? And how do you break those up? What does that look like? But he said, listen, if there's um for him, if it does not help him with what did he say, coaching, speaking, training, or reading, he doesn't do it.

Tammy Hershberger 11:31

Oh, okay.

Jimmy Kleager 11:31

Right? Yeah. So so those are his his four, I think that uh uh pretty close to those four, but the the principle is those are the four things that he loves to do that he's passionate about that are gonna fulfill his why. And because of that, if there's anything outside of that, he doesn't do it.

Tammy Hershberger 11:50

And talk about a great way to be honed in on trying to better those areas, right? And to put the energy in. Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 11:57

So I sit here and I look back at it and I go, I was just at a real estate conference last week, and I was looking at some of the things that I did, and they weren't in alignment. No way. So you want to talk about convicting. Yeah. I I was I I looked at myself and I was like, Well, there's some things that I did that were not in alignment with my why.

Tammy Hershberger 12:20

And so now what do you do about that?

Jimmy Kleager 12:22

You don't do it the next time. Yeah. You just you just learn, right? And so when you plan your day, when you when you go to these conferences or you know, you go do an event and you plan your day, you just say, hey, listen, is it in alignment with my with what I want to do? And if it's not, don't do it.

Tammy Hershberger 12:37

Yeah. I think it's so good because I've been, I mean, we're not, I'm not that old, but I still look at the life and I'm like, it's just zooming by. So you know, I'm 42, and I'm like, I don't even know where 42 years went, but I've got to think about that. And there's so much things I want to do in my life, and I've got to stay super focused because it's like time just zooms by. I'm gonna be 60 before you know it. And I'm like, by that point, I'm you know, I'm obviously you're very fit guy. You take care of yourself, that's good. So I'm sure you've got the energy, but you do start to notice as you get a little older, your energy is a little less every time. I mean, it's like I don't have I used to run all over the place and had so much energy, and I don't have the same energy.

Jimmy Kleager 13:08

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 13:09

So I want to stay focused on these things so I can accomplish one what God put me here for. Okay, which is what well, I believe it's kind of similar to you, but it's helping people like spread the message. I'm getting more focused on spreading the message, though. That's becoming super exciting to me as I'm in Bible school.

Jimmy Kleager 13:23

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 13:23

I don't know, and I'm still figuring some of that out because I'm really digging into God's word right now. And so I have a full answer for you yet on that, but I'm figuring it out.

Jimmy Kleager 13:32

Good.

Tammy Hershberger 13:32

It used to be just straight business, but I'm like, there's more to it than just that. It's the people behind the business that really interests me. Plus making some money and helping our customers too. But so I want to ask you on the God sense for you, how do you bring your why into involve God in that?

Jimmy Kleager 13:47

Well, okay.

Tammy Hershberger 13:48

And that's a question I didn't prepare you for, so sorry.

Jimmy Kleager 13:50

No, no, it's it's a great question because it the the answer is found in the so that part of my why statement.

Tammy Hershberger 13:56

Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 13:57

So that the people that I that I work with become the person God's called them to be.

Tammy Hershberger 14:03

Okay. So you wrapped it right in that because it's so I it's right in there.

Jimmy Kleager 14:06

It's right in the it's it's right in the why statement. I think that's what makes it so so beautiful, is that God's calling me to fight for the potential in others.

Tammy Hershberger 14:15

So you're fighting for his kingdom, one, his children. Absolutely. Two. So how would he not empower that? Correct. I love that. Right.

Jimmy Kleager 14:22

Yeah. And and because that's his why for me, or that's that's his purpose for me, that's that, and I truly believe that that's God's purpose for me. I know now we're gonna, I think we're gonna maybe talk a little bit about stewardship of of resources. It's like, yeah, okay, if this is what you want me to do, God, then let's go do it. He's gonna make that happen for the air.

Tammy Hershberger 14:42

And so uh some of this I'm gonna throw at you, so sorry, it's just coming to me as we're talking now. Oh, that's good. So, like you're talking about stewardship there. So, because you want to help people, what does that stewardship look like for you specifically?

Jimmy Kleager 14:53

Uh right now, boy, and this is this is such a new phase for me. It's it's it's stewardship of my time. I think that's that's the biggest thing for me because it's it's uh small steps and I I'm in a season of doing a lot of things right now that aren't necessarily gonna produce right now.

Tammy Hershberger 15:18

Yeah, that's long game.

Overcoming Fear and Taking Action

Jimmy Kleager 15:19

It's this is the long game, right? And I look at it and I go, Well, what's the long game for me? Well, that's eight years for me because I've got some goals for when I get to 60, this is what I want to be at. Yeah. And so now I'm sitting here going, okay, I've got the time. What am I doing with it? I've got the time, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna start a podcast.

Tammy Hershberger 15:41

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 15:42

So what am I doing with that? I've got the the time because I really want to be be able to speak. You know, if I love to be able to do it.

Tammy Hershberger 15:52

Like live events, kind of live events, like be on stage. I'd love to be great at that.

Jimmy Kleager 15:55

I would love to be a a speaker. Right. So what am I doing right now that's helping me get you know to play the long game so that in a couple years from now, it will produce. Yeah. And I think that's the hardest, that's the hardest thing.

Tammy Hershberger 16:11

So are you really just spending time with God trying to discern on that? Or what does that look like for you?

Jimmy Kleager 16:16

No, it's it's going, okay, I've never done a podcast. What do I need to do to do a podcast?

Tammy Hershberger 16:19

So just kind of researching.

Jimmy Kleager 16:21

So doing the research, digging into it. I I actually a couple weeks ago uh tried to cut my first episode.

Tammy Hershberger 16:27

How did it go?

Jimmy Kleager 16:28

Terrible.

Tammy Hershberger 16:29

Why?

Jimmy Kleager 16:30

I stumbled all over myself.

Tammy Hershberger 16:31

Yeah, it's very nerve-wracking.

Jimmy Kleager 16:33

Well, well, it it is, right? And and I think until you get the reps in, it's so funny because you do so fine here. Well, I do. I do.

Tammy Hershberger 16:41

But it is it's when it's on you fully and you have no one to share with. It's correct.

Jimmy Kleager 16:44

And and what I found is I love the dialogue, I love having the conversation. Yeah, but to get in and start digging into it and doing it, and and yeah, my wife asked me, she goes, Hey, how'd it go? I'm like, terrible. She goes, Why? I said, Because I was trying to do it.

Tammy Hershberger 17:00

Yeah, that's true.

Jimmy Kleager 17:02

And I wasn't necessarily saying, Okay, God help me with this.

Tammy Hershberger 17:06

Speak through me. Yeah, speak through me.

Jimmy Kleager 17:07

Yeah, and the verse you sent me, first Peter 4, 4, 10, 4, 11. Holy smokes. Okay, so after we uh did our first podcast, she sent me the this this verse, 1 Peter 4, 10, and 11. Or 1 Peter 4, 10 and 11, which basically says, if you if uh if you're gonna speak, uh it says everybody has gifts. And these gifts are given to you by God. And if one of those gifts is speaking, then speak as if you're speaking, you know, that God was speaking through you. Yeah. Um it goes on to say, if you if you do works, then make sure you're working as if uh God is is working through you. That one verse I used it. I always asked uh to speak after men's breakfast.

Tammy Hershberger 17:54

Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 17:54

And I used that verse to to speak. I spoke on God giving us gifts. Um I talked to my brother who's in in uh he's got his he's doing his PhD right now in uh trauma care. He's he's a missionary. Okay, right. And he was doing this paper. He goes, Hey, what was that verse again? Right. So I I told him that verse. I mean, it's it's popped up, but there's probably a couple other times that that verse has popped up. So thank you for for giving that.

Tammy Hershberger 18:21

I have lots of people I'm randomly sending. So it speaks to me, and I'm like, it meant something to me, and I know someone that this is gonna help right now. And then I feel like the Lord directs it.

Jimmy Kleager 18:29

Yeah. So yeah, so it becomes now. I got done, I got done cutting my first podcast. I spent an hour trying version after version after version. I've got my my outline, you know. Do I follow the outline? Do I I was just back and forth and I was like, well, I can I can cut it and edit this, and I got all done. I was like, I drove home and while I was like, How'd you had to do it? And I was like, it didn't. Because I wasn't, I was, it wasn't as if God was speaking through me.

Tammy Hershberger 18:57

Yeah, and I find, and maybe this isn't true for you, but if I don't have real purpose or passion behind, like if I'm really excited about the topic, I mean God for me always is exciting. But there's like I did a budget one and it was so friggin' boring, and I was like, I did it, but I hated it. And I and it wasn't flowing super great, and I was like, I don't know, I should probably just cut this thing because I don't like it. I mean, I mean it's information. Some people there's a lot of people who don't have a budget, but I'm like, it's not my passion.

Jimmy Kleager 19:20

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 19:20

And I find that if it's your passion, it naturally flows out. I don't care how much of an outline, I'll just go because I know what I'm talking about. Or if it's something I just don't understand and I'm trying my best, it just doesn't flow, and I'm like, I don't really want to put that out there because I don't even love it.

Jimmy Kleager 19:33

Right, right. So back to the question of stewardship, right? Um, it's the resources he's given you.

Tammy Hershberger 19:40

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 19:40

What are you doing with them?

Tammy Hershberger 19:41

And then stepping out and doing it.

Jimmy Kleager 19:43

And then and then and then stepping out and doing right, and that's that's the work. So it's so at the conference last week, uh, there was some conversation or that I went to a seminar on um why people don't do the things they do. And we all love to set goals, but we don't follow through with them. I mean, think about the gym. I mean, what are they what do they say? You know, everybody signs up for the gym on January 1st because New Year's notice by somewhere like February 15th, it's over. 80% of them are not going to the gym, right? So the big box gyms are banking on. That's uh that's that's almost our business model, right? Yeah, but anyway they talked about the conscious and the unconscious mind. And your conscious mind is the goal setter, your unconscious mind is the goal getter. And unless your conscious mind or your unconscious mind is signed up to go get the goal, it'll never happen.

Tammy Hershberger 20:40

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 20:41

But your unconscious mind won't go after the goal until it feels safe.

Tammy Hershberger 20:47

Interesting.

Jimmy Kleager 20:47

So if it doesn't feel safe, it's not gonna go get it.

Tammy Hershberger 20:51

Do they say how to make it feel safe?

Jimmy Kleager 20:52

Well, that that comes to you know, what what I what I think is resilience. And so your conscious mind almost has to force your unconscious mind into doing some of these things. Like reps in on a podcast. You just have to do it over and over and over again until it's a safe place. But I thought that was fascinating because when when when we have so many people that want to do all these great things, well, you gotta start and do the work. Yeah. But it's not safe to start and do the work.

Tammy Hershberger 21:21

Yeah. And especially this is I'm trying to not get off topic, but it just came to my mind. I'm thinking about that because like five years ago, God gave me an idea, and I'm not a writer, that's the weirdest thing. Right. He gave me an idea for a children's book. Oh, and then he gave me another, and I'm so freaking scared to write it because I'm like, I'm not a writer, I don't know what the heck I'm doing. So now I'm like trying to get myself, okay, Lord, just show me what I'm supposed to do exactly write. Because I have the images, I have the idea. I just I don't have children, I don't even read children's books.

Jimmy Kleager 21:48

Just write it down.

Tammy Hershberger 21:49

That's what I gotta do. And I'm so procrastinating because I'm scared of it.

Jimmy Kleager 21:52

And I'm like, okay, are we coming back in in a month again and to talk about your kids' book?

Tammy Hershberger 21:58

That's so scary.

Jimmy Kleager 22:00

How this ended up.

Tammy Hershberger 22:01

So well, it's just the thought of please don't turn that on me now. I'm just like thinking about you, though, of like we get these things, and then it's like I can't do it, I'm too afraid to do it. I'm actively praying about like God give me the courage to start because I I just am in that perfectionist. Which did you have any perfectionism when you were doing that podcast of like it's not good enough?

Jimmy Kleager 22:19

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Tammy Hershberger 22:20

It's the worst on the first several.

Jimmy Kleager 22:21

And I was I was stumbling all over my words, and yeah, I I in my mind I know how it's how I want it to flow. Yeah, but from my mouth into my mouth, it just there was a disconnect, right? And so I mean you start and you're like I could have done that. So you try to do it again, and you that doesn't come out, and you're just like, oh, right, yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 22:40

Yeah, and so that is gonna be something you have to just push through, and sometimes you just have to let it out there and just let it be what it is, sure, because it's never gonna be perfect, yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 22:48

But I gotta go back into the this episode on and just say, hey, listen, God, you got this, let's go.

Tammy Hershberger 22:55

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 22:56

Right. And and let it flow from there.

Tammy Hershberger 22:58

Yeah, and then think about that. So for speaking, are you wanting to do like large conferences or more smaller stuff local? Or what do you what's what's your thought as of this moment?

Jimmy Kleager 23:07

How can I fight for the potential in others? It could be big, it could be small, whatever God has. Whatever God places out there. Big my big goal, yeah. I would love to be. Yeah, I I'd love to stand on the stage with John Maxwell.

Tammy Hershberger 23:22

That would be cool. He's a really amazing. Yeah, I watched him on this uh Kingdom Kingdom Build or something. I think it was something recently, and I was crying watching him. I was like, he's such a powerful speaker, and you can tell he's so passionate. Right because he was crying. And I'm like, you're talking about leadership and you're crying. I mean, he just loves it so much, and he brings God into it, which I love.

Jimmy Kleager 23:40

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 23:41

So that would be really cool.

Jimmy Kleager 23:43

Yeah. So if if if that's where God wants me, that's that's where God's gonna place me.

Tammy Hershberger 23:47

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 23:47

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 23:48

Um, I have to ask you this. So if someone is out there listening, like, okay, you've got it figured out. I am so lost, I am so unsure about this. I mean, I think you've already told us how to do it, but do you have any other feedback for them?

Jimmy Kleager 24:00

I I would say, okay, number one, pray. Right. Find somebody. Find somebody that's gonna help hold you accountable. I think that's the other thing that oftentimes we don't do is not find somebody to hold us accountable for.

Tammy Hershberger 24:15

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 24:16

And so if nobody's holding you accountable to getting it done, then it just sits there. Or you're gonna do it for a little bit and then you're gonna walk away, and then you're gonna do it for a little bit and then you're gonna walk away. But how can you find somebody that's gonna hold you accountable and go, hey, did you get that done? Right? Because what did we talk about last last time about you?

Tammy Hershberger 24:37

Oh, my spending time with my husband.

Jimmy Kleager 24:38

Yeah, how'd it go?

Tammy Hershberger 24:40

I mean, I will say the last four or five days have been not great because he's been so busy, but for the most part of it, we did an hour from 6 30 to 7 30.

Jimmy Kleager 24:46

Okay.

Tammy Hershberger 24:47

It was great because we sometimes played games, sometimes we read the Bible together, we studied verses, whatever. Sometimes it was just dinner together, but it really it made a difference for me.

Jimmy Kleager 24:55

But you started getting present with him.

Tammy Hershberger 24:57

Yeah, we had to put the phones down, we had to talk to each other. I feel closer to him than I have in a long time. I know, and you would check in on me. You were like, Did you do it?

Jimmy Kleager 25:03

And I was holding you accountable. Yeah, you know, for those first couple of weeks.

Tammy Hershberger 25:06

It's interesting when you say that we're adults and we should be able to do it, but it's like when no one's checking in on me, I can easily like, oh, I'm just not doing it. No one's gonna know. But when someone actually is checking in, yeah, that makes a difference.

Jimmy Kleager 25:15

It's a great, great accountability, yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 25:16

Yeah, absolutely.

Jimmy Kleager 25:18

So I would say, yeah, uh, pray, find somebody to hold you accountable, and then you just gotta do the work. And and don't let perfection be the enemy of good enough.

Tammy Hershberger 25:29

Yeah, exactly.

Jimmy Kleager 25:30

Right. You just you just gotta do it.

Tammy Hershberger 25:31

You just gotta step in and you said last time to embrace the suck. Oh, yeah. And I used that the other day. I was talking to a coaching client, and they're just going through office people that can't find someone. And she's like, it's so embarrassing. I don't want to post another ad. And I'm like, just embrace the suck, do it. Okay. So you got used there. Yeah. Awesome. You just gotta do it because who what else is it's just gonna sit there otherwise and never get done.

Jimmy Kleager 25:51

So we were listening. Uh, one of the speakers at the conference was a guy by the name of Platon. He's a famous photographer.

Tammy Hershberger 25:59

Oh, okay. Never heard of him.

Jimmy Kleager 26:01

And uh and I had never heard of him before, but he's got some really iconic photos out there. Okay. But he's he took he photographed uh Zuckerberg.

Tammy Hershberger 26:10

Oh, wow.

Jimmy Kleager 26:11

And he told the he told and and so part of the photography, you know, the the session that he does with them is he asks some really hard questions, some really deep questions. But he was in Zuckerberg's office, and on the wall was a poster that said, What would you do if you weren't afraid?

Tammy Hershberger 26:32

What would you do if you weren't afraid?

Jimmy Kleager 26:34

What would you do if you weren't afraid? Yeah. Yeah. I would start a podcast. I'd become a a speaker.

Tammy Hershberger 26:41

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 26:42

Right?

Tammy Hershberger 26:42

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 26:43

So what would you do if you weren't afraid? And so I was walking this morning. And I was thinking about that that question, that quote. And I said to myself, what would I do if I was living out God's purpose for my life?

Tammy Hershberger 27:01

And how different that would be in how different that would be. What impact that would have. Yeah. I'm sure we uh you have a list. I have a list in my head of things.

Jimmy Kleager 27:09

And I'm sure the audience has a list of things.

Tammy Hershberger 27:12

Absolutely.

The Five Fs Framework

Jimmy Kleager 27:12

Right? Yeah. Write those down. Throw those by somebody. Find a coach, find a mentor, find somebody that's gonna hold you accountable. Yeah. Right? And and guess what? Somebody has probably done it before you. And we talked about the crabs in the bucket last time. Yeah. Right? Yeah. There's gonna be people that are ready to reach down and give you a hand up. Right? Not a hand out, but a hand up. And everybody that's below you is gonna try to drag you down, but everybody above you is gonna pull you forward, pull you up. Yeah. So find that person that's gonna help you do that.

Tammy Hershberger 27:44

And I always try to use God as my inspiration because I'm like, He made us all for a purpose. We all have a reason to be here. And we need to do our part. And when we don't do our part, you're keeping somebody from their help. Like there could be one person that you need to do something to help them, or like you need to start something that will help them in the future or whatever. And you're not doing that.

Jimmy Kleager 28:02

Correct.

Tammy Hershberger 28:02

So like we all need to do our part because someone needs you out there. Sure.

Jimmy Kleager 28:06

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 28:06

And stop being an idiot and just do it. I mean, if we could stop being afraid, like you said.

Jimmy Kleager 28:11

And I'm gonna call you, I don't I don't think it's necessarily stop being an idiot. It's just it's it's stop fighting.

Tammy Hershberger 28:17

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 28:18

It's stop being afraid.

Tammy Hershberger 28:20

And just go for it.

Jimmy Kleager 28:21

And just do it. Because that's where God wants you to be.

Tammy Hershberger 28:25

It's interesting in coaching. I talk to people and they're like, I mean, these are simple stuff. And I'm like, what's the worst case that's gonna happen? Well, I'm gonna lose my, you know, my kids aren't gonna eat, I'm gonna lose my home. I'm like, do you really think that's gonna happen? You're just gonna be like, oh, I lost everything, and now my kids are gonna start. No, you're gonna find another job. You're gonna figure out. I mean, sure. I have never had God let me down on that, but even then, I'm like, I will go find another job. I'll take three jobs if I have to. Like, we just build these things up in our head of like, it's gonna destroy us.

Jimmy Kleager 28:48

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 28:49

And it's really not true.

Jimmy Kleager 28:50

You know why? Because change is hard.

Tammy Hershberger 28:53

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 28:54

Change is not safe. So change tells your unconscious, con uh unconscious, it's not safe. So don't do it.

Tammy Hershberger 29:04

So you stay comfortable and you play small.

Jimmy Kleager 29:06

Yeah. Another quote, Condoleezza Rice. Comforts for the sofa.

Tammy Hershberger 29:12

That's good.

Jimmy Kleager 29:13

Right? Yeah. Yeah, comforts for the sofa. Are you playing big or are you playing small?

Tammy Hershberger 29:18

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 29:19

What do you want to do?

Tammy Hershberger 29:20

And I just think about, yeah, I mean, we can look back and think of the mistakes we've made and all, but I don't want to be in my rocking chair old someday and be like, I didn't do anything. I should have done all these things.

Jimmy Kleager 29:28

Sure.

Tammy Hershberger 29:29

I'd rather sit there with my friends, like, I totally messed that one up, or that was a wild ride.

Jimmy Kleager 29:32

And I mean I think I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I should, I should come up with a title called like retirement FOMO.

Tammy Hershberger 29:41

Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 29:42

Right? And it's that period of time when you when you retire and you look back and go, I shoulda, woulda, coulda.

Tammy Hershberger 29:48

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 29:49

Right. I think that's what what drives me a little bit on doing these all these hard things. Is at some point I know my body's gonna quit.

Tammy Hershberger 29:55

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 29:56

And so I don't want to look back and go, hey, I should have done. That I'll digress for just a minute. So my buddy Josh, the the these these crazy things we do usually start with you know a just a simple conversation. And we had one last week when we were in in Las Vegas for this conference. We were walking down the hall. He goes, Hey, I'm like, what? He goes, We're doing 100 next year. I said, kilometers or miles? He goes, Miles.

Tammy Hershberger 30:22

Like running or running. Oh my gosh.

Jimmy Kleager 30:24

Yeah, ultra marathon. I'm like, okay. And that's how we do it.

Tammy Hershberger 30:30

And then you just train for it.

Jimmy Kleager 30:31

And now we train for it.

Tammy Hershberger 30:32

Well, do you think it's just making your mind up that yep, we're doing it? And then you just go.

Jimmy Kleager 30:36

Absolutely. You just got to make your mind up and go.

Tammy Hershberger 30:38

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 30:39

And then, and then your body will, your mind will do it, but you've got to get it from your conscience to your unconscious mind. And and that go-getter part of your body has to say yes and and has to say it may be hard, but it's safe.

Tammy Hershberger 30:59

Yeah. And don't you feel for me, I feel most alive when I'm a little I'm doing something I want to do and I'm a little terrified. And then I actually make it through and I'm like, well, I didn't die, so I'm okay. You know what I mean?

Jimmy Kleager 31:08

So there's this, there's this picture or this this quote. I actually had a uh a Velcro patch somewhere that says, but did you die?

Tammy Hershberger 31:19

Yeah, exactly.

Jimmy Kleager 31:20

Question mark. Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 31:23

It's so simple, but yet we complicate it so much.

Jimmy Kleager 31:25

Sure.

Tammy Hershberger 31:26

Um, I know you became this this why came how long ago did you create your why?

Jimmy Kleager 31:30

Uh it was this summer. It was golly, it was like June.

Tammy Hershberger 31:33

Did you have one before that, or were you just going for it?

Jimmy Kleager 31:35

Just going for it.

Tammy Hershberger 31:36

And I would imagine, do you think that why will expand as you get more into what you're doing, or you think that thing's solid?

Jimmy Kleager 31:41

The why's done.

Tammy Hershberger 31:42

Done.

Jimmy Kleager 31:42

The why's fixed.

Tammy Hershberger 31:43

And it should probably be done, I would imagine.

Jimmy Kleager 31:45

And actually, the the book says that your why is fixed. It's been, it will develop, I think, in your late teens, early twenties.

Tammy Hershberger 31:53

Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 31:54

And once you find your why, once you identify and can put it to paper, it that's the there's your purpose, that's the anchor. And then all your passions surround that.

Tammy Hershberger 32:05

And then you just kind of work and hone it and you just say, How how am I?

Jimmy Kleager 32:09

So for me, how am I fighting for the potential in others?

Tammy Hershberger 32:11

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 32:12

How do I know when it's ready to be fulfilled? How do I know that that potential is ready to come out?

Tammy Hershberger 32:17

Do you think that will ever be fully fulfilled?

Jimmy Kleager 32:19

What's that? Potential?

Tammy Hershberger 32:21

Yeah. Like, will there be a point like I've helped enough people?

Jimmy Kleager 32:23

Or how will you know when you've just you gave out and you're I don't think it I don't I don't think it'll ever stop.

Tammy Hershberger 32:29

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 32:29

I don't, I mean, I could be sitting as, you know, that old, you know, that old man on the rocking chair, and somebody's gonna come up and go, I mean, what when you get to that stage where they're seeking wisdom, yeah, and I'm gonna ask, you know, a bunch of questions to figure out what their potential is. So, and I say that that's what you need to go fulfill.

Tammy Hershberger 32:48

And don't you also feel like by you living it out yourself, the stories you're gonna tell someday and the things you've overcome is gonna be like, well, this little Jimmy did it, why couldn't I do it?

Jimmy Kleager 32:57

Sure.

Tammy Hershberger 32:57

I mean, I look at people that are like most basic people, and I'm not talking the top at the top, but people in my life, and I'm like, man, they figured it out and they're not that smart, they're not that special. I mean, they are special, don't get me wrong. But you know what I'm saying?

Jimmy Kleager 33:08

In the natural, I'm like, they didn't have that there are some people out there, you're like, how did they do that? Yeah, I mean, you just get to talk into them. Yeah, but but you do. You're like, I could have done that.

Tammy Hershberger 33:21

Yeah. But they had the guts to do it.

Jimmy Kleager 33:23

They just did it.

Tammy Hershberger 33:24

Yeah, they just went for it, and that's how you win is you go for it.

Jimmy Kleager 33:27

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 33:27

If you don't start the race, you don't win it.

Jimmy Kleager 33:29

Their their unconscious was never afraid.

Tammy Hershberger 33:32

Yeah, that's good. Unconscious.

Jimmy Kleager 33:34

Yeah, their unconscious was never afraid. They just they just did it. Right? And so I think so many times we get it, we get psyched up in our heads, and that's where the unconscious, that that unsafety, that that unsafe feeling now starts working around in our head because now we're like, okay, so what's so-and-so gonna say, what's so-and-so gonna, you know, well, I don't know about that person. What are they gonna say? Well, if that's my major for me saying something or me putting this information out or not putting that information out? Well, are they the right major? Yeah, are they the right person? Or is that one person that has so much influence over your life creating such a sense of unsafety? I mean, uh I'll look at the audience and I'll ask the audience right now, who's that one person that's saying to you don't do it? Uh subconsciously, right? That that unconscious saying, Oh, he's gonna say something. Oh, they're they're they're gonna think I'm a fake. Well, guess what? You just gotta put it out there. You have to have the courage to be unique, yeah. The courage to be yourself.

Tammy Hershberger 34:56

Um, I have my own experiences in life of people that were not doing much, if I will say it that way, and they come after you and what you're doing, and I'm just like, for a little while I let it bother me, and then it took some time to realize like I don't know why I care what they think. Even though I love and care about these people, I'm like, they're not doing anything, they have no drive, they have no goals. Right. And I'm like, I'm letting you tear apart what I'm doing and you're doing nothing, you know. But I had to get that mindset of like, I'm not letting you decide that because it starts to wear me down, but I'm like, why am I doing that? Why am I if I don't envy, well, I shouldn't say you envy, but if I don't, if I'm not looking at you thinking like, man, you guys are really doing something great here, why do I care what you think?

Jimmy Kleager 35:32

They're the crabs in the bucket, yeah. Right? Yeah, and they're the people that are gonna pull you back in the bucket, and you can't let that happen. Yeah, you cannot let those folks, and it's so easy to let them have the influence over your life because that pulls you into that space of safety from not because you don't have to do anything.

Tammy Hershberger 35:55

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 35:56

And that's the safe space. And they're safe in their, I'll say they're safe in their miserableness, yeah. They're safe in their keyboard warriorism, they're safe in their, hey, I'm just gonna go bash on whoever I want to bash on. I mean, we saw it a couple weeks ago with Charlie Kirk.

Tammy Hershberger 36:12

Oh, absolutely, right?

Jimmy Kleager 36:14

I mean, you saw both sides of the aisle going back and forth. My kids asked me about that, and I, you know, they're like, what do you think, Dad? The news is saying this. I said, Um, to be honest with you, I don't really care.

Tammy Hershberger 36:24

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 36:25

I I'm not getting caught up in in the political piece of it. Yeah. I know where I sit on Charlie Kirk. I thought he was, I thought I love the fact that he opened up the dialogue.

Tammy Hershberger 36:35

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 36:36

Um, who was we were having uh conversation. Um and uh I forget who said it. I'll I'll I'll think of it here in a minute. But the Ploton, the the photographer, interviewed or took a photograph of um who's the guy that that did Oceans 11?

Tammy Hershberger 37:00

Like the actor or Brad Pitt?

Jimmy Kleager 37:02

No, it was it's the other guy.

Tammy Hershberger 37:04

George Clooney.

Jimmy Kleager 37:05

Yeah, it was George Clooney. He took he took pictures of uh he took a photograph of George Clooney and he was talking to George Clooney, he said George Clooney said, um in the in the day of information, we have we have such access to information right now, but we've lost the art of talking to each other.

Tammy Hershberger 37:22

Yeah, that's true.

Jimmy Kleager 37:25

So maybe it's just go talk to somebody. Go go find somebody go find somebody that has your same beliefs. Talk to them, then go find somebody who doesn't have your same beliefs and talk to them.

Tammy Hershberger 37:38

Isn't interesting though how like the you see it on both sides. It's like if we don't agree, we have to get angry. It's like why do you have to be angry? We just don't agree.

Jimmy Kleager 37:44

Because if I yell louder, then maybe I'll change your mind.

Tammy Hershberger 37:47

That's true.

Jimmy Kleager 37:48

But that doesn't happen. Yeah, it just doesn't happen.

Tammy Hershberger 37:50

And it's very divisive, which we know the devil loves.

Jimmy Kleager 37:53

So what what did Jesus do? I mean, at the moment that they were at the moment when he knew he would he was he was caught and he knew he was gonna die, and they started questioning him, what did he do?

Tammy Hershberger 38:11

Didn't he just go quiet? He went quiet. Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 38:13

He went quiet, he didn't argue with them. Yeah, he knew his purpose. And he just went quiet. And so he he didn't yell, he didn't, he didn't try to to sway them in that moment because he knew his purpose.

Tammy Hershberger 38:30

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 38:31

At no time did he yell. Well, he he may have yelled one time.

Tammy Hershberger 38:34

I mean, when he was in the he got annoyed with the money changers, yeah, with the with the money changers. Yeah, that's it. But at the end though, yeah, when it was time for him to fill his purpose here.

Jimmy Kleager 38:44

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 38:44

To do what he was made for. Yeah, yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 38:46

So that was probably the only time that he really, really got mad.

Tammy Hershberger 38:48

Yeah. Well, and I just think about that, like, how why are we so short-tempered? Why are we not? Well, we could go into something here. I've been studying all this stuff about religion in the Bible and whatever. But it's the reminder that, like, I look at God and you know, we are made in God's image. God lives in us, especially when you have the Holy Spirit in you. And anyway, and so it's talking about how like you look around at healing and the things, all the miracles that Jesus performed. He didn't go up to them like, are you this type of religion? Did you go to church last night? Did you drink last night? It was just like you are healed, you are free from the demon, you are this, that, whatever, because he loved them so much.

Jimmy Kleager 39:22

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 39:22

And yes, we need to be free from all that stuff because that will hurt us. But it's like the world just wants to take someone and demonize them for whatever side you're on, right? And no, you there's some crazies out there. But I just think of like if we could just love each other, if we could just show God's love through us, sure, which is the gospel, right? And then let the Lord clean them up. You know what I'm saying? Because even myself, I mean, I wasn't that far gone, but I've had some things that I'm like, I'll never not do that, or never not want that, or never not listen to that. And now I'm like, I don't really want to listen to that.

Jimmy Kleager 39:50

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 39:51

So I don't know. I got off on that because of Charlie Kirk something.

Jimmy Kleager 39:55

Okay, sorry, we okay.

Tammy Hershberger 39:57

So I have a question back to um the why. We're almost done with that. So how do you stay grounded in your why when life is chaotic or you've got a lot of ventures or things going on?

Jimmy Kleager 40:06

Well, okay, so that that's my anchor, right? And I come back to the God family career.

Tammy Hershberger 40:11

Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 40:11

Right. That's that that runs everything.

Tammy Hershberger 40:13

Which leads us into the five.

Jimmy Kleager 40:15

Which which leads, yeah, it kind of leads us into five Fs. We're gonna add one there. Um but it comes down to the to the God family career.

Tammy Hershberger 40:24

Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 40:24

And when things get rough or things get tough, or you know, you just maybe you're struggling in in something. You just you gotta sit back and pray and take a little break. And uh maybe it's not a not a season of fighting it. It's a season of okay, I just have to roll through this and roll with the punches through through this one. Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 40:46

So and can you tell us we're gonna add a sixth F, but what is the main five, and then we'll add the six.

Jimmy Kleager 40:51

Yeah, Faith, family, finance, fitness, faith, family, fitness, sorry, f faith, family, fitness, finance, and then future, and and we're gonna add friends on the end.

Tammy Hershberger 41:01

Friends, okay. And uh tell me where did you come up with that?

Jimmy Kleager 41:04

Uh so actually Josh, uh my buddy Josh. Okay. We were talking and um we'd actually started uh kind of a men's organization um just because of um the the way our lives were going. Um it we it may reconstitute at some point, but it was it was all about men getting together, doing hard things. Yeah. Uh but we wanted to, this was our foundation. This was what we taught. Uh it was a faith, family, fitness, finances, and future. Um, so that was that became my anchor, that became my my focus, you know, just just as I organized my life.

Tammy Hershberger 41:41

And that can apply. I mean, I'm sure I had no idea what that even was when I was young, but to a young 20-year-old man, does this still work for them?

Jimmy Kleager 41:48

Oh, absolutely.

Tammy Hershberger 41:49

Okay, yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 41:50

It it it it it works at 20, it works at 30, it works at 50. Yeah, it works at 80, right? And so if you wanted just a quick overview, you know, we we've got our faith that anchors everything. Yeah, right. Yeah, faith, fitness, or faith family, uh, because family second, God family, and and falls right in line with that. And then we put fitness third, uh, because you both have to be physically fit and you have to be mentally fit and spiritually fit, right? So um that fitness will now, if you have those three right, then the finance is gonna come, right?

Tammy Hershberger 42:29

Well, and if you think about fit when you're not fitness, when you fear sick or you're not in good health, think of how much financial drain that is. And then you can't even make money because you're sick or not at work or whatever.

Jimmy Kleager 42:40

Sure.

Tammy Hershberger 42:40

Okay, and then you have future is next.

Jimmy Kleager 42:42

Yeah, and then we have future. So where where are you going to future? What is what does your future look like? Are you goal-oriented? Have you set the goals? Have you set a long-term goal? Yeah, do you have a long-term vision for your life? What is you know, if I was gonna ask you 10 years from now, what does that look like? Could you tell me that?

Faith as Your Foundation

Tammy Hershberger 42:57

Me? You're asking me in the next 10 years. I want to grow the barnyard. I want to at least have two more lots, is what I like to have for my personal stuff. I want to have my coaching business a lot bigger. Okay. I have a vision and a dream of having an investment company that vests in entrepreneurs that want to start their business, especially females. Okay. So I mean, I have these things. Okay. That's a quick version. What are yours?

Jimmy Kleager 43:19

Uh good. You're gonna give a lot deeper answer than I am because well, it's so I asked I asked the question because a lot of people struggle. Yeah. A lot of a lot of people struggle with what is what does it look like in 10 years? And in fact, um, I'm yeah, I'm not gonna that's a little more personal. I'm not gonna go down that, go down that one. Um, it was it was somebody that I coach, but oh sure. Um it's a pretty powerful message. Someday I'll ask her and maybe I'll bring it back on. Okay. But uh I worked through this with uh some gals that I coach, and we were going through these goals, and it took us about three, four weeks to finally like dial in the goals because you say, Hey, what are your goals in 10 years? It's I want to be happy, I want my kids to be happy. You know, I wanted to live in a good house. I want to get everything to be stable and good. That those aren't goals. Yeah, yeah, those aren't granular.

Tammy Hershberger 44:14

I don't even know when you hit that exactly exactly.

Jimmy Kleager 44:16

So so when I look at your when when you just rattled off those goals, are they granular enough?

Tammy Hershberger 44:20

Yeah, well, I didn't go very granular on some of them, but that's okay.

Jimmy Kleager 44:23

But if you've got them written down, they're granular, that's exactly what I'm gonna do.

Tammy Hershberger 44:25

I have them on my vision board every year. Good. Very specific dollar amounts and how much and specific equipment. Beautiful.

Jimmy Kleager 44:31

Yeah, that that's perfect. So um here are some here are mine. Okay, okay. Um, so I set these when I was 50 for when I'm 60. Oh, good. Okay. So I want to be moving at the age of 60, like I'm moving at the age of 50.

Tammy Hershberger 44:46

That's a good one.

Jimmy Kleager 44:47

Right. Because I love what I'm doing. And I I feel like I'm in my uh, I think I was in my prime in my 40s, but I didn't realize it. But I'm doing all my prime stuff in my 50s. So that's great. And my body's kind of feeling it right now, but that's okay. Um, so what kind of things do I need to do? You know, stretching, massage, ice baths, you know, what keep working out, keep running, you know, doing all those kind of things, right? Uh, I want to be coaching and mentoring Fortune 500 companies.

Tammy Hershberger 45:15

I like that.

Jimmy Kleager 45:16

Right. Um I want to be a paid speaker. Now I should probably put a dollar amount behind that if I was really gonna do that. You know, could I be a hundred thousand dollar a session paid speaker? Yeah. That'd be pretty amazing. Uh I want to publish a best-selling book.

Tammy Hershberger 45:34

Uh, and what kind of book?

Jimmy Kleager 45:36

So this is this book is right now. Um I've got so many different ideas.

Tammy Hershberger 45:45

And that's okay. You don't have to give me a chance. I know you're working on it.

Jimmy Kleager 45:47

Yeah, that the Is it like a biography?

Tammy Hershberger 45:50

Is it a business type book?

Jimmy Kleager 45:51

Well, it's it's gonna be more of like a self-help business type book. Right.

Tammy Hershberger 45:55

Very cool.

Jimmy Kleager 45:56

Um, and then I want And how many you need to how many copies are you gonna find?

Tammy Hershberger 46:01

Well, yeah, exactly. That kind of stuff.

Jimmy Kleager 46:02

Exactly. So I need to I need to get a little more granular, so I love it. Uh, but I want to have a $10 million net worth.

Tammy Hershberger 46:08

I like it. Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 46:10

Now is that is that feasible? That's a huge, you know. If you good to great Jim Collins will tell you that's that's one heck of a yeah, uh big, hairy, audacious goal.

Tammy Hershberger 46:19

Jesse DePlana says if your your dream is too easily achievable, it's not big enough. So I like that you're dreaming bigger because that's you're gonna have to get God involved in that to get you three. But right, it's totally doable.

Jimmy Kleager 46:28

And there's a book called 10x is easier than 2x out there. I think we may have talked about it by Dan Sullivan and um uh Ben Hardy, Dr. Ben Hardy. Okay. And if if you want to dream big, if you want to set your goals big, 10x, you know, think about 10xing rather than 2xing. So 2xing is like this nice glide slope. 10x is this gigantic glide slope. I mean this exponential piece of it. But now you got to do the work that's gonna get you into the 10x space.

Tammy Hershberger 46:59

Yeah, and then maintain that.

Jimmy Kleager 47:00

And then maintain that.

Tammy Hershberger 47:01

And not lose everything in the middle. Yeah, right.

Jimmy Kleager 47:03

So, um, so yeah, that's uh when you talk about the future, that's um maybe we've jumped from faith down to future, but that's that's the reason of hey, get really good granular on where you want to go because now you can backwards plan off of that.

Tammy Hershberger 47:20

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 47:20

Right. And so are you doing the work from year to year that's gonna get you to that goal?

Tammy Hershberger 47:26

I've talked to some people in coaching that even they don't even have that big of a goal because they struggle with just getting a basic for this year. It's amazing how God, uh, the devil has limited people's thinking.

Jimmy Kleager 47:36

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 47:36

But they they see something like it's so big. And I'm like, but you have that, but then we like you said, you go backwards and you start figuring out how much per month do I have to sell, or how many books do I have to read, or whatever your thing is, to figure out and you you how do you eat an elephant one butt at a time? It's like you break that into smaller micro goals or whatever, and that's how you can tell, am I on track? Am I way off?

Jimmy Kleager 47:54

Sure, right? Absolutely. It it is, it's it's the one step. But if you look at the elephant and go, holy cow, yeah, yeah, the $10 million net worth.

Tammy Hershberger 48:03

Yeah, it seems unrealistic.

Jimmy Kleager 48:05

That's that seems unrealistic.

Tammy Hershberger 48:06

When you break that into 10 years, that's not undoable.

Jimmy Kleager 48:09

It's not undoable. So, what do I need to do over the next 10 years?

Tammy Hershberger 48:11

And who do I have to become to make that happen?

Jimmy Kleager 48:14

It's huge. You want to talk about friends now?

Tammy Hershberger 48:16

Yeah, let's go ahead.

Jimmy Kleager 48:17

So, I mean, we're kind of doing this.

Tammy Hershberger 48:18

What a great segue.

Jimmy Kleager 48:19

Yeah, we're we're kind of doing this backwards a little bit, but you want to you you want to talk about friends, and I think friends are great. Jim Rohn said you're the you're the average of the most of the five people you spend the most time with. Yeah. Um, so who are you spending time with? And are they getting you to your goals?

Tammy Hershberger 48:36

I've seen someone that was in with a good group.

Jimmy Kleager 48:38

Uh-huh.

Tammy Hershberger 48:39

I mean, me included, but and they just they were doing great, and I started to see their life changing. And then they just got into a group of not so good and they just started to not spend time with us and they went the other way. Now they're just it's not good.

Jimmy Kleager 48:51

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 48:51

And it it really does, even as adults, because I think we're adults, we can make our own decisions, but you really start to hang out with them because they start the crowds. Okay, they drag you down and they tell you, oh, you don't need to hit that thing, you don't need to get up early for work, and you don't need to work out.

Jimmy Kleager 49:03

And right, yeah. It's kind of the hand up, you know, the person that you know, you've got the line. We talked, you know, the line. Everybody above you wants to pull you higher, they want you to pull you above that line. Everybody below wants to just drag you back down into that that comfort and that that that safety space. But here's what happens change has to happen. So when you talk about the five people that you spend the most time with, your five people are gonna change.

Tammy Hershberger 49:29

That's true.

Jimmy Kleager 49:30

And what if one of those five people is your family? Ooh, that hurts a little bit more, right? What what if your whole life is you know, the all five of your people are your family? Now you gotta look at them and go, are they pulling you down? Are they keeping you from growing? Because you are gonna change and you are gonna be different. And that's okay. Because that's where God is calling you to be. Right? Wasn't there wasn't there a space in the Bible that uh um what was it? Jesus was asked about his mom.

Tammy Hershberger 50:08

Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 50:09

And um and I forget he said he he pa it's it's when he passed his mom off to I think Peter at the end and said, Peter, now you're responsible for my mom.

Tammy Hershberger 50:24

Okay, I'm not quite sure.

Jimmy Kleager 50:25

Yeah, but don't don't quote me on this, but but but you know, God knew his his heavenly father was you know, was ultimately you know God, right? His calling there. Right. And he knew he knew that his his earthly mom, you know, ultimately he was going to heaven, right? But uh you know, when when we talk about our family, I think they're the ones that are the hardest that to say, hey, I'm changing. And um, you know, you they're gonna look at you and go, you're different. But you have to have the courage to say, I'm but I'm living my God's purpose. And you just hope and pray that your family goes, You are living God's purpose. How can we almost kind of instead of pulling you down, they're they're pushing you up, right? Yeah, and and so maybe that's a conversation you have to have with your with your family that that things are changing.

Tammy Hershberger 51:18

Yeah, because you need people to inspire you and not I don't I I even go back to some of my my past family, and I'm like they just stayed stuck and I talk to them, they're just so negative, and right I it you feel like you energy is drained out of you. Sure. It's like now I have no energy to do anything, so I gotta get out of this pit because I'm like, I gotta get back to where people fill me up here because it's it right, it is tough because you don't want to be disloyal to them, and and I get always in the trap of like pulling them with me, but I've had to learn that lesson, sadly, the hard way of like not everybody wants to move up, correct, you know.

Jimmy Kleager 51:49

Correct. You can't save everybody.

Tammy Hershberger 51:50

Yeah, you can't.

Jimmy Kleager 51:51

They've gotta they've gotta want to be saved. Yeah, they've gotta want to change.

Tammy Hershberger 51:54

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 51:55

And that's that's okay.

Tammy Hershberger 51:56

Yeah. Is there more to the friends side?

Jimmy Kleager 51:58

I mean, I'm sure I have some questions on that, but uh no, I think it's it's who you surround yourself with. Yeah. Right. Um, it's it's who's who's gonna who's gonna fill your cup, who's gonna pull you up, who's gonna who's gonna push you up? You know, I've got a couple of the the ladies that I coach right now, they've they've been challenging the heck out of me. Yeah right? Yeah for like two years. They've been challenging me. And one of them specifically said to me, we we did an exercise last year where it was bring three things good about because it was a group, it's a mastermind that we do. And I was like, hey, bring three things about every single person, um, and then good, and then bring three things that you think they need to improve upon. Right. So I'm coaching them, I'm leading this mastermind. And she looked at me and said, You have so many things to give to the world, you've gotta give them to the world. Yeah, and that has just resonated with me. It's like, okay. So hence the podcast, hence it put the fire in your belly, it it did, but it became scary too.

Tammy Hershberger 53:07

It's scary.

Jimmy Kleager 53:08

It's like, okay, I gotta go do this.

Tammy Hershberger 53:09

But God'll meet you there, he'll give you a few. Exactly.

Jimmy Kleager 53:11

Yeah, exactly.

Tammy Hershberger 53:12

Um, you were saying about that. I think that's why it's so important with the friends of having people that will be that love you and will be honest with you.

Jimmy Kleager 53:18

Absolutely.

Tammy Hershberger 53:20

I I have I don't like the yes, yes, you're great, you're great. Because I'm like, I know I need to improve, and I there's I would rather you just be honest with me and say, you know, hey, like you're I can see you've got this potential here, but you're just you're a fear or whatever it is, you're playing small. And I think there's too many people that won't do that because they're scared of your feelings or correct. I don't know. When I find them, I just want to hang on to them. I'm like, you're a jewel to me. Yes. You see things I cannot. What's you can't see the forest through the trees, right?

Jimmy Kleager 53:44

Right, exactly.

Tammy Hershberger 53:45

Especially when you're growing and you're and I don't want yes men around me. I don't like that. I mean, I need people to work for me, they'll do things, but not in this sense, yes men. I don't need it.

Jimmy Kleager 53:53

Yeah, you need when you go to somebody as a mentor or advice, you need somebody to be brutally brutally honest with you. Yeah. And um you need people that are not afraid to be brutally honest with you. Yeah. And you need people that are gonna go, hey, um, I think you need to be going down this path.

Tammy Hershberger 54:15

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 54:16

Now the question is, how do you respond to that?

Tammy Hershberger 54:18

Yeah, it's not always easy to receive that, but I feel like the way they present it to you will help. I mean, I've had to have some conversations with people I really love and care about. And I always start with like, I love you so much.

Jimmy Kleager 54:29

Sure.

Tammy Hershberger 54:29

And I see that you're struggling, but you know, you're drinking too much, or you're and and I'm really worried about where this is gonna lead for you because you're so much better than this. And I think that you can be received.

Jimmy Kleager 54:38

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 54:38

Now I've had some that it's a straight criticism. I'm like, oh, okay. Well, that kind of hovered a little bit.

Jimmy Kleager 54:43

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 54:43

I still always try to look at like what we can see in that.

Jimmy Kleager 54:46

Sure. It's the potential. Yeah. You've you're looking at the potential in that person, yeah. Or they're looking at the you you hope that they're looking at the potential in you, yeah, and saying, You can, you can, I you you got more in you. Yeah. Right. Um, I just I uh this morning, um, one of my friends, we've been been working through some things, and I just had to set him uh send him a video text. And I said, I love you, brother. Here's what I believe, here's what God's put on my heart. You know, I understand some of the hurt and pain that you're you're walking in right now, but there's a bigger mission out there. Yeah, I want you to see that. Right. And um, you know, he came back and he said, Thanks. Appreciate this, right? This is when I'm I'm praying about this. I'm like, good. Yeah. Right. So, but if you don't say it, they'll never know.

Tammy Hershberger 55:42

Yep. I kind of had an image while you're talking about that of like, I mean, this is dramatic, but it's like the Lord reaching down and not just like you need help, it's like here, I'll help you out.

Jimmy Kleager 55:50

Well, here's here's here's the rest of the story. I was out on a walk.

Tammy Hershberger 55:53

Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 55:53

Took my dogs out on a walk today, and I'm and I'm walking and I'm praying and I'm listening. By the way, have you have you heard the new version of uh this is uh what an awesome god?

Tammy Hershberger 56:03

A new version?

Jimmy Kleager 56:04

Yeah, there's a new version out there. I don't think so. Oh my goodness, you got it. It's good. Yeah, Phil Wickham, I think, does it so good. So I had this thing on repeat and it was going over actually there was there's like five or six versions and downloaded the album. So I'm listening to this on repeat, and it was so good. I'm just listening, I'm just bathing in it. I'm thinking about uh this particular topic and and where this guy's at. And because I I just had lunch with him and and really kind of under trying to understand where he's at with some things and I was just praying, and God put it on my heart, he said, shoot, shoot him a video. Tell him that the mission is bigger. What what we're trying to do is bigger.

Tammy Hershberger 56:44

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 56:45

And I just and so I was sitting there praying, and I was sitting there praying, and now I'm I'm on top of this hill. I'm looking out at the valley, and I'm like, should I send it? Should I not send it? Should I do it? Should I not do it? And I'm and it was very I'm I'm in this internal struggle. I finally said, God speak through me. And I thought about the verse. I was like, speak through me. Yeah, and I sent the video. I I shot the video and I sent it. Didn't didn't listen to it, I just sent it. Right. That's the other thing. If you're doing this stuff, don't don't listen to yourself. At least for the one or two. Just just just get them out there, right?

Tammy Hershberger 57:22

I still don't even love listening to them.

Jimmy Kleager 57:23

Sure.

Tammy Hershberger 57:24

I'm just like, I'd rather let someone because I'll critique the crap out of it and I'll tear myself apart. And it's like, why? Exactly. Just let it be what it is.

Jimmy Kleager 57:30

Yeah. But you know, I was in this this struggle, and I just said, okay, God, this you're telling me to do this. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna have the courage to send this.

Tammy Hershberger 57:39

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 57:41

You got it, you got this. And it was well received.

Tammy Hershberger 57:45

That's good. And just being obedient to when the Lord tells you to times I felt it, I didn't do it for whatever, and I could tell, like I I really was supposed to do that.

Jimmy Kleager 57:55

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 57:55

And you never know where people are at, and that could just be the one thing that saved him or helped him or moved him, or exactly. Because when you're in those holes, you don't see out of it, it's just so dark, it is, you know, or whatever you're going through. But and so for someone else to be like, hey man, I'm here with you. We got we can get through this, you know.

Jimmy Kleager 58:12

I hear you, yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 58:13

I hear you is really good.

Jimmy Kleager 58:14

I acknowledge you, I acknowledge the pain, I I acknowledge the hurt that you're sitting in, right? That is all real. Um, I'm not gonna crawl in the hole with you. Yeah. But I'm I'm I'm gonna say I I'm here and I see you. Yeah, but I acknowledge everything that you're going through that and it's real and it's true. And and sometimes I just don't feel like it's you know, no nobody's listening or hearing them.

Tammy Hershberger 58:37

I like that. I don't know why I've never thought of the video message because I'm like, I sent text, sometimes voice, then like how I don't know. I think that would really mean something to see their face looking at you being like, buddy, I got you. I don't know why I've never thought of that. I don't have to do that.

Jimmy Kleager 58:51

Video text is so powerful because the emotion comes across now.

Tammy Hershberger 58:56

Yeah, I'm I'm seeing that I don't that's like revelation to me here. I've just never imagined it.

Jimmy Kleager 59:01

Just send a simple video text. Yeah, I mean, it could be a simple like birthday message, it could be a simple, you know, it doesn't have to be a lot. It can be, hey, click, hey, dude, just thinking about you, appreciate you, you're amazing, you're awesome, stay that way. Talk to you soon.

Tammy Hershberger 59:15

And like the emotion, because that's why I hate text messages, because I can never tell. I mean, I can be a smarter sometimes, and I'm like, I gotta be careful so it doesn't sound mean, but like I'm joking, and lol doesn't mean the same thing to me.

Jimmy Kleager 59:25

Throw a couple emojis in there so they know that to that, right?

Tammy Hershberger 59:27

Yeah, some of them are like just be really careful because I've had people read it wrong, and I'm like, that's not what I meant.

Jimmy Kleager 59:32

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 59:32

Or even myself. I'm like, I don't know where they're going with this. So I love that.

Jimmy Kleager 59:35

Yeah, that's really simple video text. Yeah. And our phones do it so easy. Yeah. I mean, that's you just hit the text, hit the little plus button, hit the camera, put it on video.

Tammy Hershberger 59:46

I'm gonna have to start doing that.

Jimmy Kleager 59:47

Shoot it and send it.

Tammy Hershberger 59:48

Sorry, all the people that are gonna be getting text videos from Jimmy's fault.

Jimmy Kleager 59:52

I love it.

Tammy Hershberger 59:53

Okay, I'm gonna ask, I'm gonna dig into each of this just a little bit. Okay, so back to faith, which is the first one. Can I ask you why I know the answer, but some Some people are like, why wouldn't my family be for God? Why would why is that? Because I think, well, my spouse should be first. Can you tell me why?

Jimmy Kleager 1:00:05

Yeah. God, God's my heavenly father. Yeah. Before everything else. Right?

Tammy Hershberger 1:00:10

And I feel like if I put him first, then he helps me with my marriage to help me put my spouse first.

Jimmy Kleager 1:00:15

The world wants to put your really the world wants to put your finances first. Yeah. Before everything else. Right. Or just it's number four. Yeah. Because that'll come if you get get the other priorities straight and you're working for God. If he wants you to be rich, he'll make you rich. Yeah. But there's so many, there's so much more to finance. We'll talk about that here in a minute.

Tammy Hershberger 1:00:32

Yeah, you don't want to chase the money because No.

Jimmy Kleager 1:00:34

No, you want to chase God and let Him take care of everything else.

Tammy Hershberger 1:00:37

Absolutely. So faith for you, how does that guide your decisions, your priorities?

Jimmy Kleager 1:00:44

Yeah. I mean, it's it's pretty simple. I mean.

Tammy Hershberger 1:00:47

And speak to the people that are like, it's kind of rough because some of us get it. We're like, I get it. But like there's some non-believers or people that are questioned, they're on the fence. It's like, well, why would I do that?

Jimmy Kleager 1:00:56

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 1:00:57

So I'm gonna make it harder for you, but yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:00:59

So um in this in this journey toward toward getting to know God, um, it hasn't been easy. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, I took my my brother in high school, um, he gave his life to Christ, and I was like, why are you doing that? Right. I was yeah, I grew up in Western Nebraska, Presbyterian, right? I'm I'm now in an AOG church, which which I absolutely love, but it was kind of like okay, you would go to church, we do, we go through the motions, and then you leave, right? That was a Wednesday and Sunday. There's there's actually a great song about that too. Um and uh so the more and more I've dug into the Bible and the more and more I've like sought God and and sought to believe Him, it's I my faith has gotten deeper and deeper and deeper. And um our our pastor did a a message a couple weeks ago. It was actually on the crucifixion of Christ, right? And the pain that he went through and he didn't hold back, he didn't he didn't hide anything. Yeah, and he talked about the forms, and he talked about the cat's paw and the whips in his back, and he talked about the now he had to walk, I think it was like a mile and a half, two miles, and they put the you know, whatever it is across his back. And then they get there and the nails in the hands and the nails in the feet. Right. But I this was the this was called the PG version. Yeah. It's way worse than that. It's it's way worse than that. And and when when you go through that and you know now that Jesus died this horrific death for us. I mean, holy cow. He he went through he went through all that. And to me, it's like if you don't see or can't see or understand that, it's like what we really need to have a conversation.

Tammy Hershberger 1:03:10

Yeah. I mean, he I mean he became man as God became man, right? And he did all of that because he loves us so much.

Jimmy Kleager 1:03:18

Exactly.

Tammy Hershberger 1:03:19

I mean, it was sung today in my schooling about how on the cross Jesus traded his righteousness for our sin. Yeah. So just let it go. Let it, you know, I mean, take it, receive it, because it's not a works message. I mean, and I will be careful not going too far down that road with you, but so much is taught about works and you've got to earn it. That's Old Testament. Sure. That is not the message Jesus brought. No. And it's like we just and we dishonor him so much by thinking we're gonna keep carrying that and I'm gonna keep that sin and I'm not good enough, and all this stuff, and it's like he died that gruesome death. I mean, I've heard people talk about he was so disfigured that you could barely recognize he was human. I mean, they had lead-tipped whip or whatever that thing like that tears your flesh away. I mean, it's crazy, right? And I I'm sorry, Jimmy. I don't know that I could do that for you. I don't think I could take it. You know what I'm saying? And he took it, he took it, he bore it, right?

Jimmy Kleager 1:04:06

And then he said, Okay, well, and then let's go to the to the next piece is he's on the cross.

Tammy Hershberger 1:04:11

I think I know where you're going.

Jimmy Kleager 1:04:12

And there's two, there's two sinners on the left, right and left of him.

Tammy Hershberger 1:04:15

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:04:16

And one of them, one of them's like, I want what you got.

Tammy Hershberger 1:04:20

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:04:21

He's like, Oh, you gotta just faith. All you gotta do is believe. Right? Here he is in the state, and he's still he's still preaching, he's still giving his message, he's still living out his purpose.

Tammy Hershberger 1:04:33

Yeah, in love.

Jimmy Kleager 1:04:34

In love, in love for that.

Tammy Hershberger 1:04:35

When when most of us would be so angry and hurt and yeah, exactly.

Jimmy Kleager 1:04:39

Yeah, so so I I I bring up this this story because I think so many times um this idea of faith can be a little nebulous. Oh, you just want me to believe. Yeah, I do want you to believe. But let's talk about why you should believe. Let's let's like get really granular about this. Right? Um, let's talk about the things that he did. Let's talk about all the different um shoot. I'm I'm I'm stuck on his vision of him, right? Um, all the miracles that he did. Yeah. Right? I mean, just think about the miracles that he did, how many people he healed.

Tammy Hershberger 1:05:22

Blind eyes, women with the blood issue, cast out demons, brought people back from the dead.

Jimmy Kleager 1:05:26

All of that.

Tammy Hershberger 1:05:27

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:05:28

Right. And he did it in this short period of time. So now, and and and but people want to fight this. And I and that's what I don't get. And maybe I was one of them until I really started thinking about okay, let's just say if you're doubting the Bible, I mean, uh more than a what is it, more than a carpenter.

Tammy Hershberger 1:05:48

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:05:49

Go go read that book, more than a carpenter. Like the it's it's it's true. Just the prophecies in the old testament to the to the new testament. And then now you get to the new testament and you you see all those things. If you if I mean you have to believe those. This this book has stood the test of time.

Tammy Hershberger 1:06:10

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:06:11

But people want to fight it, they don't want to believe it. They don't they know they want to come up with any every reason to to not believe it. But then, you know, and I hear my boys, right? Because they'll bring it, bring up some philosopher, right? Well, well, this philosopher is da da da da da. I was like, you believe him, yeah. Well, he lived, you know, 200 years ago. Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 1:06:30

You have faith in him.

Jimmy Kleager 1:06:32

You have faith in him, how do you not have faith faith in the Bible?

Tammy Hershberger 1:06:34

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:06:34

Right? So there's so what we go through this, like, how do you how can you not believe what's in the Bible? And so once you decide to say, I believe what's in the Bible, and then see how Jesus lived, and then see how Jesus died. I mean, the like you said, gruesome death. How how can you how can faith not be number one?

Tammy Hershberger 1:07:00

Yeah, how could you not be, yeah, just for the fact that it's like I'm so thankful for that he did that. Yes. I mean, he even says in the Bible he took sickness on his body on the cross, so we don't have to be sick anywhere.

Jimmy Kleager 1:07:11

Exactly.

Tammy Hershberger 1:07:11

Like all these things of how his love and so they were talking about faith and how we just have to have more faith. And there's all these scriptures we could go into, but the gist was we think we have to have more faith. And they said it's not so much a faith, no, what you're talking about is different, not believing the Bible, but just like believing God wants me healed, believing I'm supposed to prosper, all these things because people struggle all over the place with that.

Jimmy Kleager 1:07:29

Sure.

Tammy Hershberger 1:07:30

And it was saying it's not so much a faith issue, it's an issue that it's a character issue because we don't believe, we don't understand the character of God. Because so much of us are taught that God's a mean God, he's an awful God, he's gonna punish you, and he's coming for you, and he's and it says, uh, is it first John the one that uh God gave his beloved son? So the Am I the right one? It's the one talking about where it says God did not come or Jesus did not come to judge the world or condemn the world, he came to save it. Yeah, so he's not even here trying to find Jimmy's little problems. No, he's here to save you. That's it, and then the rest works itself out.

Jimmy Kleager 1:08:03

In fact, he knows all your problems.

Tammy Hershberger 1:08:05

Yeah, you don't hide any of them.

Jimmy Kleager 1:08:06

Yeah, you you can't, and that's another another crazy thing. It's like if you if you think you're hiding from him, you're not.

Tammy Hershberger 1:08:12

No, right?

Jimmy Kleager 1:08:12

He sees you, he he absolutely sees you, yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 1:08:16

The devil's tactics are to get you in doubt, get you in fear, and that's unfortunately where these doubters are coming with the Bible. And I'm like, you believe in so much other stuff, right? Even the Big Bang Theory, all that stuff. I'm like, you're still believing in that.

Jimmy Kleager 1:08:28

Sure.

Tammy Hershberger 1:08:28

You have less evidence there. That's actually atheism is harder to believe because you're just still believing in something that's not provable. So yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:08:35

And so while I I I want to look at the audience, if if there's if there's a member of the audience that is sitting here listening, going, Well, I don't know if I can have that faith. I don't know if I can, you know, if I'm struggling with that piece of it. I I would say I'd say you almost have to go into a little bit blindly and just listen to the words and then put meaning behind those words.

Tammy Hershberger 1:09:04

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:09:04

Especially give it a chance. Yeah. Right. Don't just discredit it because you want to discredit it because that's what the world tells you to do, is to discredit it.

Tammy Hershberger 1:09:14

I know someone who's struggling, they were believer for a long time, and not that they don't believe in God, but they're struggling that the Bible's real because they just had some conspiracy stuff that they've been listening to. And so I told him, I said, How about you just focus on New Testament? Because he he's also believing God's this mean God that's not gonna help you and it hasn't worked, and all this stuff. And so I told him, could you just get in the Bible and just read the New Testament? Right. And he and he just won't do it. And he's like, I don't want to. And I'm like, what is there's something spiritual keeping you? Just I said, and then I don't know if this is biblical and if I should have offered it, but I was like, okay, I'll tell you, I'll I'll tempt not tempt you, I'll uh test you on this. Uh let me try something. I said, you for one month spend 10 minutes a day reading the Bible yourself, not listening to something, read it. And if you in one month feel like this is still a complete waste of time and you gave it a true chance and you feel like you wasted your time, I'll give you $300 just for reading it. He wouldn't do it. And I was like, there's something there spiritual that's keeping you out of that. But but if he wouldn't do it, well, his heart wasn't it, obviously.

Jimmy Kleager 1:10:13

But but I would tell you he was struggling with his faith.

Tammy Hershberger 1:10:17

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:10:17

Because if if he's not willing to take 300 bucks to do that, what's I was like, just give it a chance.

Tammy Hershberger 1:10:22

300 bucks and you're probably you won't even do it.

Jimmy Kleager 1:10:23

Right, right.

Tammy Hershberger 1:10:24

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:10:24

But but that means he's he's struggling with his faith.

Tammy Hershberger 1:10:27

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:10:28

And but he but there's there's a twinge of belief in there.

Tammy Hershberger 1:10:34

Yeah. Yeah, I'm still hopeful because he does believe in creation. He believes in God. But but I'm always like, where's the God coming from? It's not the Bible. And then they've given this universe to the Yeah, but we can yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:10:44

Anyway, but anyway, so that's why and and it's gotten stronger as as we've we've gone gone through, and you know, I can I can see, you know, the faith. I you know, I think I talked about uh my my company in Iraq, you know, I prayed for them every night. We got to bring, we brought everybody, most everybody home. Um nobody got killed. We had one guy that we had to ship home injury injury-wise, but um everybody in in a time when it was really dark in Iraq.

Tammy Hershberger 1:11:14

Can I ask you a question? Yeah, I don't know the right wording for this, but is it hard for you guys as you know, you've got your military, you've got your job, you know what you got to do. Sometimes that is I don't know that if you killed anyone, it doesn't really matter to me. But my point is like, is it hard to reconcile God and God's word with with war and all the stuff you're in? Because you see some tough stuff.

Jimmy Kleager 1:11:33

But I you know, I go back to the old testament. Yeah, right. There were lots of wars in the old testament. Right. Yeah. And um, but I also know that there's a season, yeah. And I know that you know, I'm protecting. Yeah. I'm I'm a protector. Actually, I'm a protector forged in battle. Yeah. That's part of my I am statement. Right. And so no, there was never a I I never had ever run into that that moral uh that moral dichotomy or that moral moral challenge.

Tammy Hershberger 1:12:02

Because I would think in the moment of what you're going through, it would draw you closer to God. But I never knew if like maybe somewhere you were like, I don't know, this is if it would draw people away from it, or um, I know there's some guys that struggled with that.

Jimmy Kleager 1:12:14

Yeah. Right. But um, you know, I I just look at it that there's a season for everything and we we were in a season of war. And um I knew that I was on the right side.

Tammy Hershberger 1:12:28

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:12:28

Really truly.

Tammy Hershberger 1:12:29

And if I would imagine, because I I experienced it, I would imagine in that situation it's even more strong that you feel God's peace in those moments.

Jimmy Kleager 1:12:36

Oh, absolutely.

Tammy Hershberger 1:12:37

I just look at the world and I think I'm and anyone watching, it's like if you just don't believe, I don't know how you face every day because life is not a cakewalk. It is not easy. I mean, you lose people, bad things happen. And I'm like, thank God I have God to rely on because it's gives me hope and peace for something. And if I'm dead wrong, great, I die and it's over. But I had something to stand for and believe in while I was here.

Jimmy Kleager 1:12:56

Yep.

Tammy Hershberger 1:12:57

And I feel like even by military men, you have to have something to believe in out there, right? Because how else do you make it back?

Jimmy Kleager 1:13:02

Right. I you know, I go back to you know what what what started the last war and I was 9-11.

Tammy Hershberger 1:13:08

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:13:09

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 1:13:09

There was so much evil done in 9-11.

Jimmy Kleager 1:13:12

Right. And uh what we're on 24, we just I think celebrated the 24th anniversary. I can't believe it's been 24 years. I know, right? But that single event shaped our adulthood. Yeah. Right. Because I was a I was a young lieutenant. Okay. No, early, no young captain. I was only three, four years in the army at that point when 9-11 happened. And that shaped the rest of my career.

Tammy Hershberger 1:13:38

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:13:38

And that shapes where we are, where we are now. It shapes how you know that one event shapes has has completely re wickered the way we live our life.

Tammy Hershberger 1:13:50

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:13:50

It's it's amazing.

Tammy Hershberger 1:13:52

Yeah, I was a senior in high school. So I mean, I think about that, and it's I don't know. I'm just so thankful for God. That's all I can say.

Jimmy Kleager 1:13:59

Amen.

Tammy Hershberger 1:13:59

I suggest try it out.

Jimmy Kleager 1:14:01

So so there's the answer for faith, right? Why, why is it so important to me? What why does it anchor? It's it's because it um when when things are rough, I go back to to faith. When things are rough, you can go back to God. When things are rough, you can go to the Bible, you can dig into the Bible. Like there's always something there um that's gonna help guide you and lead you.

Tammy Hershberger 1:14:23

Yeah. So on the family perspective, I'm gonna throw this in there because I've heard some people, and I'm not a parent, so I don't address it because I can't, I'm like, I feel like I'm a fraud talking about it. But in family dynamics, I have to ask you as a man that's a believer and you have children, yeah, um, is it God or is it your wife first or got your children first?

Jimmy Kleager 1:14:41

Say it again.

Tammy Hershberger 1:14:41

So, like, do you put your wife first or your children first? Because I've heard people say you need to put the kids over your spouse, and I totally disagree.

Jimmy Kleager 1:14:47

Spouse first. Okay, can you tell me why? What's that? Why do you feel that way? Yes. Right, she's my queen. Yeah, I'm the king of the king of my household, she's the queen, and then the kids.

Tammy Hershberger 1:14:56

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:14:57

God, God put us together. Yeah, God, God separated her from her parents, and we connected. We got married under God. She is absolutely now she's number two behind God.

Tammy Hershberger 1:15:12

Absolutely. Right?

Jimmy Kleager 1:15:13

Which is a hard thing to say. That's that's it, that's all when you say that people are like, whoa, really? Right? But no, God's first, she's second, but she's my queen. Yep. And if it comes down to the kids or the or my queen, it's her. Yeah. Period. End of story. And the kids know that too. And they've tested that a little bit. And they've started, you know, every you know, the young boys, right? They start they start stretching, they, you know, they're they're you know, stretching their wings and they're like, okay. And they all of a sudden bow up to mom and dad come as over the top, and there have been a couple times, and I looked at him and said, You are not speaking to my queen that way ever again. And you want to talk about some some young men just like right? They're like, okay, we we know where we sit.

Tammy Hershberger 1:15:59

But you also just set the example for when their husbands they know how to treat their wife. Absolutely. Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:16:05

In fact, uh, one of them, one of them uh took a young gal out for a date and she he was opening the door, opening, right? He was doing all those chivalry. We like to I like to say chivalry is alive and well in our in our family.

Tammy Hershberger 1:16:18

I think it's great.

Jimmy Kleager 1:16:19

And um, she's like, You're the first one that's ever done this. And then they you know, they come back and go, thanks, Dad, for for teaching us that.

Tammy Hershberger 1:16:27

Yeah, yeah. So respect, I like it.

Jimmy Kleager 1:16:29

Absolutely.

Tammy Hershberger 1:16:30

So in this family now that we've thank you for clarifying that because I feel the same way, but I'm like, uh kids, so maybe I'm crazy. But how do you balance your ambition with what your family responsibilities are and keeping the you know your family happy and still having connection with them, but still doing all these great things that you're called to do?

Jimmy Kleager 1:16:44

Sure, it's about being present, and uh that's my word for the year, too, is being present, right? And for drivers like you and I, that's the hardest thing is to be present. And if you're a driver, because I'm always anticipating, yeah. I mean, that's the way the army trained me is to anticipate, is to be thinking like I'm here, but I'm thinking down there. Yeah, like I'm here, I'm seeing everything happening here, but I'm down there. Yeah, and and I was having a hard time being present, and so this you know, I think that's one of the reasons why Katie said you're not doing anything this year. No, no hard races, no nothing. Like you need to be present for your son, he's the senior in high school. I'm like, okay, right. So so that being present is so important when your kids are around, and it may not be you know how do kids spell love?

Tammy Hershberger 1:17:32

I have no idea.

Jimmy Kleager 1:17:33

T-I-M-E.

Tammy Hershberger 1:17:35

Oh, yeah, that's good. Right. Even your spouse does though, really. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean your kids are gonna move out where your spouse will stay, hopefully. But right, yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:17:43

So there's a great book called All Pro Dad, and and they they stated that in there. I said, How do kids spell love? It's time, right? Now, it may be five minutes, it may be an hour, but how do you give your kids time? Yeah. And um, you know, it may be a young kid just coming up and wants to like show you something. Well, you got to put everything down, just put everything aside and go, oh my goodness, that's amazing.

Tammy Hershberger 1:18:10

So your undivided, undivided attention, undivided attention.

Jimmy Kleager 1:18:13

Maybe that's all he needs for like five minutes, and then he's off again.

Tammy Hershberger 1:18:16

But think about that tells him I'm valuable. Dad is looking at me in the eye. He's not distracted over here. I matter.

Jimmy Kleager 1:18:21

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. That's great. And and my relationship with each one of my boys is a little bit different. Um, you know, each one of them has has is growing up differently. And like my middle son uh went through a little bit of a rough patch, but I'm so proud of him right now. So proud of what he's doing. Yeah, right. And he and I have a great relationship now. And he and I talk, he asks questions, he values my insight. Um, he's coming and asked questions, he's coming in and asked my advice, and it's just amazing. I mean, that's that's that's awesome. I've known with all three of them. I've got to, I've got to take it away for them to move because sometimes they're they're just sitting on the couch, yeah. You know, the proverbial couch because it's comfortable. Yeah. And so you've I've had to force, you know, force some things which have not been easy, but my parents did the same thing to me.

Tammy Hershberger 1:19:14

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:19:14

Right. And so you, if you rob them of your struggle of their struggles, you rob them of their victories.

Tammy Hershberger 1:19:19

Absolutely.

Jimmy Kleager 1:19:20

You have they have to stumble. It's a whole, you know, you know, cook butterfly and a cocoon, right? You can't you can't rip the cocoon open for the butterfly. It has to, it has to fight its way out because that's the only way that it's going to be strong enough to grow its wings.

Tammy Hershberger 1:19:35

And those are our best lessons when we stumble.

Jimmy Kleager 1:19:37

Sure.

Tammy Hershberger 1:19:38

I mean, great stuff is always great, but it's like I didn't learn near as much in the good times as I did the tough stuff.

Jimmy Kleager 1:19:42

Yeah. And so the hard part is a dad and really as parents is you want to protect them. You don't want to see them struggle. And you can see something coming. And do you let it happen? Or do you let them go through the struggle? Yeah. That's the big, that's that's the big question to ask.

Tammy Hershberger 1:20:02

And so obviously you gotta let them go through it, but then you have to be there to help pick them up, right? Sure. Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:20:06

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

Tammy Hershberger 1:20:08

So is there anything, and I feel like your channel your why is so perfect with trying to get your boys to find their power, right? And so, like, have you ever had any challenges with that?

Jimmy Kleager 1:20:18

Yeah, a ton, right. Um, because you're dad, and while you want to give some counsel and want to give some advice, they don't necessarily want to hear it from dad.

Tammy Hershberger 1:20:27

Yeah, right.

Jimmy Kleager 1:20:28

But when they come back and go, hey, I heard this, and you're like, I'm glad you heard it from somebody else, right? Takes a village. I'm a big believer in that one too. Takes a village. Uh-huh. But yeah, kids that they're fun. Boys are boys are extra fun, I think. I don't know, because I don't I don't know about girls because I don't have any, but yeah. Um, by the way, I was just asked to baptize one of our friends' daughters.

Tammy Hershberger 1:20:51

Oh, really? First time. That's exciting.

Jimmy Kleager 1:20:53

Yeah, it's super, super awesome. She texted me the other day and she's like, Hey, will you baptize me? Like, whoa. Right. Talk about talk about an honor. Yeah. That's like I was like, I I got to think of that's like the greatest honor somebody could ask you was to baptize them.

Tammy Hershberger 1:21:06

Yeah. So that's really exciting.

Jimmy Kleager 1:21:08

I know it is. Super.

Tammy Hershberger 1:21:09

You may have a new future in your actually watched this really cute video of this little uh child, and I don't know, he was probably like eight or nine, he was getting baptized for the first time in this tub, and and the preacher or whatever is like praying over him and saying, getting ready to baptize him. And he's so excited to go, but the guy's still talking, he goes, I'll do it. And he just slams himself in the water, and it was so cute because his heart was so excited about it.

Jimmy Kleager 1:21:30

So he's just wanted to wash off the scene. I love it.

Tammy Hershberger 1:21:34

Okay, so fitness, let's go into that really fast. So obviously, you'd mentioned uh being fit so you can do the things you want to do. How does that kind of tie into living out your life?

Family, Fitness and Finding Balance

Jimmy Kleager 1:21:43

Well, for I mean, for me, it's it's it gets me in the right mental state. Yeah. Right. I know that if I haven't been to the gym in several, several days or a week or so, my body starts it, it starts craving it. Yeah. Um I think a lot of people don't go to the gym because they don't want to feel sore. Yeah. Maybe I I maybe it's a little crazy, but I live, I live to feel sore because I I know that I did something. Yeah. I know I accomplished something. I know I built something. You know, when you go and you go to the gym and you do some things, I think you really build build some resiliency over time. Um plus if you have some some big goals, if you want to do some crazy stuff, you know, if you want to go run 100 miles, right? Proverbally 100 miles for most people. But what is that, what is that big, big, crazy goal that you want to accomplish? Why not go after it? Yeah. Why not go do it?

Tammy Hershberger 1:22:33

And I always think long term of my purpose and my calling, I'm like, I have to be, I mean, you're I'm not even where you are, but I'm working on it. I'm like, I gotta get myself in a shape so I can run the race God put before me. Right. Because I don't want to be like, oh, he's called me to do these things and my body's worn out, or I'm sick and I can't do it.

Jimmy Kleager 1:22:49

Can you imagine if God called you and you couldn't do it?

Tammy Hershberger 1:22:52

It'd be terrible.

Jimmy Kleager 1:22:53

It'd be awful.

Tammy Hershberger 1:22:54

And I just think of like, and then who am I like letting down or who is who am I? Because God uses people. I mean, he can do miracles, but he uses people a lot of time to do things. And I'm like, I want to be ready.

Jimmy Kleager 1:23:04

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 1:23:05

What is it they said about Charlie Kirk? Uh, my good and faithful servant.

Jimmy Kleager 1:23:09

Well done. Yeah. Well done, my good and faithful servant.

Tammy Hershberger 1:23:11

I see that scripture, I'm like, I want to be that when I get there. Right. Like, sorry, I yeah, I was too busy eating chips on the couch, or I was sick, I couldn't do it.

Jimmy Kleager 1:23:18

You know, this is my son who I'm well well pleased.

Tammy Hershberger 1:23:20

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:23:21

My good and faithful servant. Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 1:23:22

I mean, can you imagine hearing that? I want to hear that when I get there.

Jimmy Kleager 1:23:25

Yeah. Right. Did yeah. I and and I take it, you know, I that there's a little bit to being in the army. Yeah. Um, that when that when the time comes in battle, are you can you do everything to make sure you don't live, let your peer down, your buddy down? Yeah. I mean when the the I guess psychologists have done the studies that say when when guys are in war, why are they fighting? And it's it's not for you know to protect our freedom and uh the United States and you know, def you know, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and all those things. No, they're fighting for their body right to the right or left of the right. Yeah, right. And I think the the biggest thing is, hey, um if I have to pull myself up on something, can I do it? If I need to pick my buddy up and carry him off the battlefield, yeah, can I do it? Can I accomplish the things that that the fight's gonna ask me to accomplish? Yeah, maybe I still live in that a little bit. Maybe it's uh, hey, I I gotta prove that I still got it. That's actually that that's an interesting conversation, you know. Proving that I still got it. Well, what is it? I don't know. I I've got this idea. What what is it? Why why do we still why do we do it? Why do we do a podcast? Why do we go work out? Why do we love Jesus? Well why do we do it?

Tammy Hershberger 1:24:53

That's a good question.

Jimmy Kleager 1:24:54

Right? What what why do we do it? Well, what is it? I don't know. Maybe that might be a book. What is it?

Tammy Hershberger 1:25:02

Yeah, you might have just got yourself. That is interesting. I've never even thought about it.

Jimmy Kleager 1:25:06

What is it? A simple two-letter word.

Tammy Hershberger 1:25:08

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:25:09

It. I think it's a pronoun. But but what is it?

Tammy Hershberger 1:25:17

You're a deep thinker here, Jimmy. You're gonna have to let me know when all these books come up.

Jimmy Kleager 1:25:21

Okay, yeah, I know. I well, and so I need to You better get to work writing books. Exactly. I need to sit down and do the work and right.

Tammy Hershberger 1:25:27

And then those can be part of what you go and do speeches for. Well, that's that's it's it's it's all funnel together, I guess.

Jimmy Kleager 1:25:33

It's all together, right? It's it's it's that thing.

Tammy Hershberger 1:25:36

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:25:36

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 1:25:37

Okay. Um, I mean, you already explained the fitness side, but in your mind, what do you I want to ask you, what do you do to stay mentally fit? So your mind's right, besides your believer, obviously that I hope.

Jimmy Kleager 1:25:47

Yeah, believe, pray. Um, there's some simple things like uh I control what goes into my mind.

Tammy Hershberger 1:25:54

That's really good.

Jimmy Kleager 1:25:55

Right? I I control what music I listen to.

Tammy Hershberger 1:25:58

Yeah. Right. Your mind's not a dumpster.

Jimmy Kleager 1:26:00

I I yeah. I I can tell when I'll when I get in, you know, every now and then I'll get into a little bit of a kick of you know classic rock or you know, some you know, call it a little bit of harder stuff. Yeah. And if I spend too much time in it, I start, it starts having that that effect on my subconscious. Right. So, but if I'm listening to positive, if I'm living listening to upbeat stuff, um, if I'm listening to the right podcasts, um, right now I'm into Ed Milette. I like him. I love like right, I mean, he just had a great, great episode on uh with Andy Frisella.

Tammy Hershberger 1:26:40

Oh, okay.

Jimmy Kleager 1:26:41

Now Andy Frisella is pretty yeah, he's a little rough, but he's pretty rough around the edges, but if you listen to a story, it's pretty much. I think he has a good message that the message is good, right? Yeah. Now his delivery is questionable. Yeah, right. But um if you know, so what podcasts are you putting in, right? Um, what are you reading in the Bible? What music are you listening to? Are you slowing down? And and when we talk about recovery, right? Are you are you letting your body recover? Are you letting your mind recover? Or are you so busy and go, go, go, go, go? And I think that's I'm in this season right now where I've got I'm in a new job where I have the ability to think. Yeah. And I'm not just go, go, go, go. I'm not so reactionary, I'm actually able to be pro action, proactive about things. Um, but because I'm a very detail-oriented, very plans-oriented, this is this is where my buddy Josh wants me. Yeah. Right. So I'm able to build plans to put my mind together to um now here it also helps that the company's up in Wyoming and I'm down here. So if they need to hold get a hold of me, they have to call me. Yeah, they can't just walk into my office. And and so the gata minutes that uh can tend to distract somebody or distract a leader.

Tammy Hershberger 1:28:01

It's very distracting.

Jimmy Kleager 1:28:02

Right? And so, and and sometimes you almost feel bad by saying, Hey, don't bug me right now, putting a sign on the outside your door says don't bug me. But you need but I think you need to do that. Yep. Especially as a leader of a company, or you go home, but then make sure you're not distracted by the home things. Yeah. Doing the dishes, doing the laundry, cleaning the house, all those kind of things, right? Or maybe it's just going to a coffee shop.

Tammy Hershberger 1:28:26

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:28:26

But get away. Like let your mind do what your mind does best.

Tammy Hershberger 1:28:32

And like you said, off-site meetings or doing a coffee shop, it gets you out of the usual stuff. And so you're a little less like zoned in like, oh, I'm just in my lull here. It kind of freshens you up a little bit to get a new spot.

Jimmy Kleager 1:28:43

Um this uh if you go to YouTube and just look for like zone music or get in the zone music or um forget what it is.

Tammy Hershberger 1:28:54

So they have like video music for you to disagree.

Jimmy Kleager 1:28:57

It's literally it's like like an hour-long and it's just it's the alpha wave or whatever, whatever you know, brainwave music stuff, whatever it is. But you know, I'll put that in. If I really want to hone in on something, earplugs or my earbuds with the zone music, and limit all the distractions and just that's dig in. Yeah. Okay. Next thing you know, I'm like, okay. I just I just cranked for two hours on a project.

Tammy Hershberger 1:29:25

I got so much done because I was in the zone, right?

Jimmy Kleager 1:29:29

Because that's what that's where everybody wants to do.

Tammy Hershberger 1:29:30

What do they call that flow state?

Jimmy Kleager 1:29:31

Flow state. That's what it is. Thank you. Yeah. Flow state. That Google or or YouTube flow state music. Okay. And and that'll pop it up. But just getting into this flow state was just so that's kind of the the latest.

Tammy Hershberger 1:29:45

Okay. Anything else on that part? And then if not, we'll go into finances quick.

Jimmy Kleager 1:29:48

Yeah, it's just it's all about getting your brain right. Yeah. Just make sure you put in good stuff. It's it's like your body. You know, you put junk in your in your body, your your body's gonna feel like crap.

Tammy Hershberger 1:29:56

The other thing I will add really fast, I was literally talking to a uh coaching guy today. About it, but it's quiet time, and meaning just like if you're praying or you're reading or whatever, taking that everybody I know has earbuds in, they're listening to podcasts constantly, and I'm like, it's good for you to take some quiet time and process your thoughts, sit in their thoughts and journal or whatever you like to do, but it's like get quiet for a little bit and listen.

Jimmy Kleager 1:30:19

I take a ton of notes.

Tammy Hershberger 1:30:21

See, I like notes. Right.

Jimmy Kleager 1:30:22

And I write notes. I got a little notebook. I didn't bring it in today, but I've got a notebook with things in. Um, when you listen or when you go to a conference, listen for quotes.

Tammy Hershberger 1:30:35

Yeah. Okay. Right.

Jimmy Kleager 1:30:36

And write down those quotes. There are so many good quotes. There's so many, somebody's going to say something that speaks to you.

Tammy Hershberger 1:30:42

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:30:42

Um, write, write it down. Like a lot of the quotes that that I've shared today are things that I've heard.

Tammy Hershberger 1:30:47

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:30:48

Right. Um, but you have to go back and read your notes.

Tammy Hershberger 1:30:53

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:30:54

And process. I mean, it's it's good if you write them down. That's great. But until you go back and process them and go, oh, that was good. Yeah, I'm going to take that one away. Yeah. Um, and and so it it but it takes discipline to go back and and look at what you've copied down, what you've taken at, because it for some reason it was important.

Tammy Hershberger 1:31:12

I always find it interesting, like, for example, a church service. You go, it's great, you leave, and someone asks you what was church one, and I'm like, I don't remember. And then I go back to my notes, I'm like, oh yeah, it's coming back to me. It's so wild how your brain, your brain is just locks it out.

Jimmy Kleager 1:31:25

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 1:31:25

I also think with notes, it's really good because I I carry like a planner with me, a small one. And I like to write it because I get so I'm gonna do this, I gotta do that. And instead of keeping it lodged in my head, I try to just write it down, dump it out, brain dump.

Jimmy Kleager 1:31:36

Sure.

Tammy Hershberger 1:31:36

And sometimes before I leave for the day, I'll brain dump and I'm like, this is stuff I don't have to go home and try to remember tonight. Sure. And then tomorrow I can come back and decide is it something I do today, or it gets pushed on the line. But and like thoughts, ideas. Right. I've heard people talk about that with thoughts and ideas because God gives you these ideas, and then we we don't all remember them. And then I think yesterday, like, what was that? I can't even remember.

Jimmy Kleager 1:31:55

Right. Well, you get a whole bunch of those ideas and it becomes a project at some point, right? So, like your like your kids' book.

Tammy Hershberger 1:32:01

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:32:01

Right? You probably have a whole lot of ideas. Have you written them down or are they all in your head still?

Tammy Hershberger 1:32:06

I still have this burned image in my head of it. It's not gone away.

Jimmy Kleager 1:32:09

Got it.

Tammy Hershberger 1:32:09

That's why I know I have to do something.

Jimmy Kleager 1:32:11

I have to figure out how I'll get there eventually. But I I I would say just from a mechanic's perspective, uh, don't do post-it notes.

Tammy Hershberger 1:32:20

Okay.

Jimmy Kleager 1:32:20

Because all of a sudden you'll have a stack of post-it notes and you'll have they'll be all over the place. Yeah, they'll be a mess. Capture it all into a book or a journal or something like that. Okay. Right. And then you can go back through and look at it and go, was that important or was it not important? And then all of a sudden you realize that a lot of the ideas that you have weren't important.

Tammy Hershberger 1:32:38

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:32:38

Or didn't need action. But if you took action on them at the point that it came to your head, you'd never get anything done.

Tammy Hershberger 1:32:47

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:32:47

You wouldn't be, you wouldn't be able to move forward towards your goal because you get squirreled.

Tammy Hershberger 1:32:51

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:32:52

So often I'll write things down and go, okay, didn't need to do that one, didn't need to do that one. Yep, I need to do those three things.

Tammy Hershberger 1:32:59

But I do the podcast ideas. I'll be going over something or I'll be listening to a sermon or whatever, and I'm like, oh, that's a good idea. And so I'll write it in my notebook. And then I have this list because sometimes I don't know what I want to talk about. And then I go back and I'm like, oh, this one stands out to me today. Let's dig into that one.

Jimmy Kleager 1:33:13

Yeah, let's speak to that one.

Tammy Hershberger 1:33:14

It's just getting that stuff out because my brain has so much stuff in it.

Jimmy Kleager 1:33:17

Correct. And oftentimes when you get it out and on the paper, then it's out of your brain.

Tammy Hershberger 1:33:22

Yep.

Jimmy Kleager 1:33:22

Right? It's no longer kicking around up there.

Tammy Hershberger 1:33:24

And you freed it up for something else.

Jimmy Kleager 1:33:25

Here's the challenge is when you wake up at two, three o'clock in the morning and it starts going in your brain. You can't get rid of it. Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 1:33:32

But I as bad as it is, I open my phone, I email myself all the time because I don't know where else to put it. And then because I used to write it and now I'm like, I don't even know what the heck that says. Like, what did I write? Because it was dark. I didn't have my glasses on.

Jimmy Kleager 1:33:43

So notes section. You know the notes app on your phone?

Tammy Hershberger 1:33:46

Oh, that's a good place to do that.

Jimmy Kleager 1:33:47

That's that's way there, there's there's that's always a good place.

Tammy Hershberger 1:33:49

Yeah. So sometimes I lay there and I can't, I'm so afraid I'll forget it and I can't sleep. So it's a good idea. Exactly.

Jimmy Kleager 1:33:55

Okay.

Tammy Hershberger 1:33:55

Okay, finances. Um what do I have here? Oh basically, how would you take it? So a lot of everybody's stressed out about money, nobody has enough. How can you align your finances or money with your your purpose, your why, basically?

Jimmy Kleager 1:34:12

So we've been stewards. We're we're stewards of the resources God's given us. Yeah. And it's time, talent, treasures, money, whatever it is. Are you are you aligning all of those resources towards your purpose? And if you're not, then maybe you need to think twice about what where you're spending your money. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I, you know, I always go back to the Bible. You know, we talk about tithing and 10%, and that's one of the one of probably one of the hardest things to do is to take a lot of people struggle with that. Yeah. $10 out of every hundred dollars that you can get, you know, it's kind of a lot. Right?

Tammy Hershberger 1:34:51

And do you know where that comes from? It's just fear. It's fear that God won't provide if I give away this $10. And then the bigger your money, because people think when I make more, I'll give more, but it's just a bigger nut, basically.

Jimmy Kleager 1:35:02

Exactly.

Tammy Hershberger 1:35:02

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:35:02

So, and so I think that's I mean, that's that's the hardest, that's the hardest part, but you gotta have faith. Here we go. The mighty F word.

Tammy Hershberger 1:35:09

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:35:10

I taught uh back to that again. Yeah, yeah, but we we're it's everywhere. Did we talk about that? Yeah, the mighty F word, right? Faith. Right. And and it's and it's this faith that God's gonna provide.

Tammy Hershberger 1:35:23

Yeah, because people will put faith in a lottery ticket in a casino machine, whatever. That oh, I might just win, you know. And it's like you're our odds are a lot better with God here, buddy. But but we still put more trust in that.

Jimmy Kleager 1:35:34

Sure, we do, because it's tangible, it's right there in front of us.

Tammy Hershberger 1:35:37

I'll tell you, for a lot of years, the barnyard did 10% on the profit because I was scared of the big number. And I'm doing a million and a half. I'm like, that's a huge number.

Jimmy Kleager 1:35:45

Sure.

Tammy Hershberger 1:35:46

This last three months now, I went to a family Bible conference in Woodland Park at Karas, and I got the revelation there that I'm not trusting God with my finances because I think I have to always find the solution. And so we've and I'm not saying you have to do this, it's just me, but I switched it to the top. I'm like, I'm giving God my best because you talk about the best seed, the best everything, right? And so I'm going off the top and I am seeing numbers that I have never seen. God is just providing, and it's so I'm so damn excited. I'm like, I can't wait to because it's better to give than to receive.

Jimmy Kleager 1:36:14

Sure.

Tammy Hershberger 1:36:15

It's so fun to me, because I'm like, I'm just giving to all these churches and I'm making my money into armies to go out and find, you know, fund the kingdom. I'm not a great, I'm not a great missionary myself. I mean, I talk here, but to go out and pray, it's this is your gift, right?

Jimmy Kleager 1:36:27

So that's how I feel. Yeah, so so don't think that you have that you have to. I mean, unless God's calling you to be that missionary, if God's calling you to sell everything you own and go, you know, go do something different, you you're right where He wants you.

Tammy Hershberger 1:36:41

This is I don't know the right wording, but funding is where I've always been good. I've always brought the money like that. And I love and I had a heart for it, but it was a heart issue for me. Sure. I'm not talking about everybody else, but for me, I was like, I'm just a little scared to give it all. And I'm like, nah, I'm I'm all in. I drank the Kool-Aid and I like it.

Jimmy Kleager 1:36:59

And see, that's that such a negative connotation. Yeah, it does. As as drinking the Kool-Aid, but you know, if you if let's call it the faith Kool-Aid, yeah, right. Um, and if you drink that that faith Kool-Aid and wait for the return on it, I'm gonna I'm gonna call it like a great faith protein drink. There you go. Or something that's good for your body, very good, right? Yeah, um, that that it's gonna come back to you in time.

Tammy Hershberger 1:37:25

Yeah, absolutely. So line in your phone.

Jimmy Kleager 1:37:27

Which hold on for a sec.

Tammy Hershberger 1:37:28

Go ahead.

Jimmy Kleager 1:37:29

Which you just said you see numbers like you've never seen before. Yep. Which means that you can give more to the kingdom. Yeah. Right? So so this idea of making money is not a bad thing.

Tammy Hershberger 1:37:43

Nope. Well, and the Christians, a lot of Christian business owners that I deal with, they think it's like, oh, I can't rip people. I'm ripping people. I'm like providing honest service, a good product. You're not ripping them off.

Jimmy Kleager 1:37:52

No. Right. And and as long as you're taking the the funds that God is giving you to steward and using using them for the for the kingdom. Yeah. Right. And if that means that your your business is growing, that just means you get to give more away.

Tammy Hershberger 1:38:09

That's why I'm so excited about it.

Jimmy Kleager 1:38:10

I know. I love it.

Tammy Hershberger 1:38:11

I love it myself. I look at the numbers, and I'm like, oh my gosh, look how much we get to to give this month. I mean, it's great.

Jimmy Kleager 1:38:17

Absolutely.

Tammy Hershberger 1:38:17

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:38:18

Absolutely.

Tammy Hershberger 1:38:19

So and then the devil comes in there, he's like, well, this is a $17,000 check. You could write, you could pay something off with that. And I'm like, no, this is God's money.

Jimmy Kleager 1:38:25

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 1:38:26

I want, I want to give it. And it's not, I had this conversation with a coaching client, and they were talking about how his wife, the way she grew up, she sees the tithe as like the mob. Like, God's gonna get me if I don't pay this. And I'm like, that's not what the Bible teaches. That's a heart issue. I'm like, I give because I just friggin' love giving. I think it's so fun.

Jimmy Kleager 1:38:44

I don't know. We've we've gotten to the space where we've just made the faith journey such a struggle.

Tammy Hershberger 1:38:52

We've complicated the message.

Jimmy Kleager 1:38:54

Right. And it's just all about love.

Tammy Hershberger 1:38:56

It is.

Jimmy Kleager 1:38:56

Right? It is it's all about love. It's it's you know, when you talk to people, it's all about love. It's w when when you're when you're having a conversation, um even if you don't agree, it's okay. We can agree to disagree. But we don't have to be we don't have to be angry with each other. We don't have to you know the the four-letter word hate. Yeah, you know. I don't even like that word. I don't like using that word. I think it's such a it's such an ugly word. Yeah. So um yeah, I would tell challenge challenge challenge the audience, challenge yourself, have conversations with people that you don't agree with, and be okay to go, you know what? I see your point, but I don't agree with you.

Tammy Hershberger 1:39:45

Yeah, yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:39:45

It's okay.

Tammy Hershberger 1:39:46

Yeah. Because we have different perspectives, we see things differently.

Jimmy Kleager 1:39:48

If we were all the same, boring. It would be boring.

Tammy Hershberger 1:39:51

What would we even talk about, Jim? I know exactly. Um, okay, I'm gonna move on to my last questions here. Do you feel like out of the five F's, which one do you think people neglect the most?

Jimmy Kleager 1:40:02

Fitness.

Tammy Hershberger 1:40:03

Yeah, I would agree. I do the same thing.

Jimmy Kleager 1:40:04

Yeah. I'm working on it, but it's it was it was a great question, in fact. I sat on that one for a little bit. I was like, what is this one? I think it's fitness. Right?

Tammy Hershberger 1:40:12

Why do you think that is?

Finances and Stewardship

Jimmy Kleager 1:40:13

Because it's hard, hard.

Tammy Hershberger 1:40:15

And it's it's your own. I mean, all of this affects us, but I think our fitness is the most personal to us. And it's the one I can neglect without hurting others. Anybody else? Yeah, right. It's just me I'm hurting.

Jimmy Kleager 1:40:25

And then, but when you go and you do the workout, then you're sore.

Tammy Hershberger 1:40:29

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:40:30

And if you're not used to that, then people are like, I don't want to feel this way.

Tammy Hershberger 1:40:36

I literally couldn't move. When I went to the I had a personal trainer for a couple years, and then I got a long story, but the first three sessions, I literally couldn't squat, I couldn't sit, I would just fall on the couch. My legs were so locked up because I was so out of shape.

Jimmy Kleager 1:40:49

Right.

Tammy Hershberger 1:40:50

And I it was so brutal. I was I thought I was gonna throw up when I got home. I was like, it was so awful.

Jimmy Kleager 1:40:54

So so to me, that's a measure of a good workout.

Tammy Hershberger 1:40:57

It was a darn the guy almost killed me.

Jimmy Kleager 1:40:59

I know it's like I if if I get to the point, okay, this sounds really bad, but if I get to the point where I've got it where I feel like I'm about ready to throw up, I'm like, oh, this is a good workout. Like I'm there, right? I wish that's your mental sports. I'm like, I hate this. I know it's it's crazy, but it once again, you you said it's it's your mental resilience to get through it.

Tammy Hershberger 1:41:19

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:41:19

But here's the thing the long term is so good.

Tammy Hershberger 1:41:23

I mean, I remember leaving so exhausted, go home, shower, get ready for work, and then you just feel great after that. Like you have this hot, I mean, it's what is that called?

Jimmy Kleager 1:41:30

Cortisol or no, that's uh dopamine hit dopamine hit.

Tammy Hershberger 1:41:33

It's like, oh, I feel great. And then and then the more you do it, the less your body hurts. I mean, you might be sore, but you're not locked up like I was. Correct, correct.

Jimmy Kleager 1:41:40

And that's why I say it's a long-term game. I mean, your body's not gonna, and everybody's heard it. Yeah, but oh my god, okay, so here we go. It's a commitment, it's a commitment over time. And if you're not committed to doing it over time, um, it it becomes an unsafe place and you're not gonna do it. Yeah, or you're gonna start and go, hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get into the gym. It's January 1st, right? This is my new commitment. I'm gonna, right? I'm gonna I'm going into it. But they all go into it, but do they find somebody that's that's gonna hold them accountable to it? Like part part of part of me going to the gym in the morning is you know, we I do six six a.m. class.

Tammy Hershberger 1:42:20

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:42:20

And we've got a there's probably about one, two, three, four, five. There's probably a half dozen people there that know when I don't show up. And if I if I don't show up like, you know, I I went yesterday, I hadn't been since a previous week because we were in uh Las Vegas last week. It's like, hey, welcome back.

Tammy Hershberger 1:42:43

Yeah, well, that's cool. They know what it's like.

Jimmy Kleager 1:42:45

Well that yeah, they say, hey, welcome back. But there's there's a little bit of that where you been. Yeah, we're missing you. In fact, I I went about a month of not going to the gym. I had one of the guys call me and goes, Hey, I'm I'm calling on a wellness check to make sure you're okay.

Tammy Hershberger 1:42:58

Oh, okay.

Jimmy Kleager 1:42:59

Right? Yeah, it's like I haven't seen you in like a month. Are you okay? I'm like, holy cow. So so I've got a I've got an accountability group without it being like a true accountability group, but I feel accountable to them.

Tammy Hershberger 1:43:11

I mean, I understand that because that's how I got started in the gym because my business partner was like, we need to get healthier. And I was like, sure, whatever, I'll go. And that's the thing. If I have someone, and I know it's super lame, but I'm like, if I have someone I know I'm accountable, and like I need to show up because I don't want to disappoint them. I was for two years with a trainer, I was there, and then he quit, and then I found another person to go with and then they quit, and then I'm like, well, no, I don't have to be accountable, I can just stop.

Jimmy Kleager 1:43:33

Right, I'll just quit. Yeah, right.

Tammy Hershberger 1:43:34

And so for me, sad as I am, like I have to have someone to yes, I'll be there. I'll make sure I'm there. I don't want to let you down.

Jimmy Kleager 1:43:40

I had a friend of mine call me. This was several years ago. He goes, Um, hey, I just I want to get get fit. I know what you're doing. I want to, you know, I you know, how do I do this?

Tammy Hershberger 1:43:49

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:43:49

I looked at him, I said, put your money where your mouth is. It's like, what do you mean? I said, Why don't you come to the gym? Why don't you invest in yourself? Why don't you because what I mean, the gym that I go to, it's it's not the cheapest gym in town. Yeah. But I know the value that I'm getting from this gym. The value is absolutely there. And so he started showing up and he started getting he you could see it like he was getting stronger. He mean he was like, dude, I was standing in the mirror the other day and I was like, whoa, look at me. I'm like, yeah, look at you. Great, right? There's and listen, it's it's not a vanity thing, right? So so don't get me wrong, but he could start to see the changes.

Tammy Hershberger 1:44:30

But you start to feel better too.

Jimmy Kleager 1:44:31

You feel better, yeah. He was feeling great about himself, yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 1:44:34

And so I mean Which then makes you want to go out and try for more clients or start them and do more, right? Because when you're not feeling loving your life, especially as a female, we want to hide. And it's like, I don't want to go out in public, I want to do this thing because I'm heavy or whatever. And it holds you back, right?

Jimmy Kleager 1:44:47

So yeah. I mean that there is there is an image thing, absolutely, right? And I'm you know, I'm gonna say what we in the army we called it the eye test, right? Okay, and when you when if you know we had a brief, you know, we had to receive a briefing from a couple of guys or whatever, right? And um the first guy would come in and he would have a crumpled up uniform like he just pulled out of a duffel bag and threw it on, and you know, really unmaybe needed a haircut and his boots weren't shined and and that kind of stuff. You looked at him and went the immediate perception in your head is that kid's not put together. Yeah, and he could give the best presentation, but in your mind you've already stereotyped him as like and then the next guy came in and he was polished and he looked good, and maybe his presentation wasn't the best, but you knew he put the time in to take care of himself and his uniform, and so that he would ultimately he would he would win.

Tammy Hershberger 1:45:52

Yeah, and you you instantly kind of look at him as like, okay, I'm gonna listen to this guy.

Jimmy Kleager 1:45:56

Correct. Yeah, correct.

Tammy Hershberger 1:45:57

No, I totally agree with that.

Jimmy Kleager 1:45:58

And and right or wrong, I mean that's I mean, look at the way look at uh the advertising on TV today. I mean, look at the people who are on TV today, to look at the people who are who are you know that that they're that the not necessarily the influencers, but the the advertisers are putting on the world today, putting on TV. It's I hate to say it's not the ugly people. Yeah, right. No, right? No. That there's an attractiveness to them. Yeah, right. So um so that you know, now is is is that why you go out and you you focus on your fitness? No, but you focus on your fitness because you want to take care of the body. You you are I mean, you are God's vessel. You want to steward his and you are stewarding what he gave you, and he gave you his body or gave you your body. So how are you stewarding this God's vessel? Yeah, right.

Tammy Hershberger 1:46:57

I heard some people that are a little older, they say that like as they're getting older, they want to make sure they can keep up with their grandkids, they want to be around for their grandkids, they want to grow old with their spouse. Because I'm like, so many people die so young with sickness, and it's not how the Bible made us to be. Correct. We're supposed to live a long and healthy life, it says. So yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:47:13

Um, I've got a little bit of FOMO, right? I want to be able to do all these things. I don't want to, you know, sit and sit around at 70 and go, boy, I wish I would have done a yeah, right. Me neither. Now I've got three boys too, and there's a little bit of you know, I'm still dad. Competition, keep up with and I can, or I still got it over them.

Tammy Hershberger 1:47:34

Yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:47:35

And so every now and then they'll uh they'll bow up and I want to be able to say, I still got it with them. So it's it's fun.

Tammy Hershberger 1:47:43

Well, think about that. If I mean, you're gonna get older eventually, but I mean you can be healthy and be older. I I mean John's dad's had several strokes, and he just like goes back there and he's he's just like, Man, my dad's struggling, he can barely walk now. And it's it's hard on him to see this his dad that used to be so strong is now sick. And and the same thing with my mom, she died at 62 of COPD, and she just she couldn't go without oxygen. And I'm just like, where's my strong mother? I mean, my mother that used to whoop our butts and tell us to get in line and was driven or whatever, and I'm like, now she's just reduced to sickness, and I don't want to have that.

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Jimmy Kleager 1:48:16

Yeah, my parents are like the the they like the most healthy people ever, I think. Or I mean they I mean it's not they're not over the top, but they really they really focus on fitness, they focus on on uh eating healthy and some of those kind of things. Yeah. Um and they're they're pushing 80 right now. And I look, I still look at my dad, he was looking at doing an elk hunt, right? He's he's almost at that age. And so he comes, he comes over and he's working in the garden. And you know, if I if I said, Hey dad, I need you to help me build fence, and he would come over and help me build fence. He's he's like there's no I don't see him as 80. In fact, the other day I said he's almost 80, and I was like, There's no way he's that old because just he's kept him. But he kept active. They've they they're active, they go out and they walk, they they go to the gym, they you know, they're doing that their minds are sharp, they do a lot of reading, yeah, those kind of things.

Tammy Hershberger 1:49:11

So um, two more questions for you. Yeah uh what books are you reading right now?

Jimmy Kleager 1:49:16

Well, so I I brought this first one, The Seven Commitments of a Great Team by John Gordon. Absolutely love it. Okay, uh it's it's all it's got a football theme. I mean, it's uh which is which is kind of a football story to it, but it's um your your seven commitments to a team. Okay, and uh we're actually putting we're gonna put some of this stuff into play uh in Kalinowski Enterprises as we move forward. Yeah, you should you should. Um I talked a little bit about 10x is easier than 2x. Um that's that's a great one. And then there's one that's it's called Mindset of a Sales Warrior by Jason Forrest. And uh it's for it's more of a sales if you're into sales, um, and understanding that if you're gonna be into sales, this is these are you know kind of the mindset that you need to have if you're gonna go and win the sales in the sales world. Okay. So uh 10x is here in 2x, that's all about this exponential growth. Um, this is uh definitely a team business book, and then uh sales warrior is all about the mindset of a sales warrior is all about uh growing uh growing your your skills as being in sales.

Tammy Hershberger 1:50:23

And what podcasts? I know you ed my letter, like what else?

Jimmy Kleager 1:50:27

Oh shoot. Uh okay. This sounds really crazy.

Tammy Hershberger 1:50:30

You gave me a last time I talked to you, but I'll let's tell the listeners quick.

Jimmy Kleager 1:50:33

Uh Ed Milette, I love to listen to Steven Furtick. Yep. Um if you listen to Steven Furtick on 1.5 speed, get ready. It's coming at you fast. I'm thinking I'm down to like 1.25 speed because he just he he comes so fast. I love I love the message. Um who else? I didn't even bring in my phone. Um those are those are my two right now. Um trying to think. I don't know, I've just been digging.

Tammy Hershberger 1:51:09

Who's the guy that you tell me is friends or something with your business partner or not business partner, the guy that your body starts with an S. Shan Sharhan or Oh, Sharon, yeah.

Jimmy Kleager 1:51:20

Sharon Shrivatsa, yeah. It's a hard one to remember. Yeah, Sharon Srivatsa, definitely. Really good. Yeah, especially for um entrepreneurs. Okay. Um real estate, but entrepreneurs mindset. Great, great guy. Um let me see.

Tammy Hershberger 1:51:37

And I'm sorry I threw that at you. Yeah, no, that no this really smart guy told me I need to ask people who their books are in their podcast. Yeah, exactly.

Jimmy Kleager 1:51:45

Good for you. Good for you. So yeah, I've I've just been for some reason I've been really digging into Ed Milette lately. And that's that's and I just listened to one by Steven Furtick the other day. I listened to the sermon by Steve Stephen Furtick, and umce again positive mindset, godly mindset type stuff.

Tammy Hershberger 1:52:05

So yeah. Um, do you have any final words here?

Jimmy Kleager 1:52:08

Holy cow, this has been fun. I know. I've enjoyed I've enjoyed both of these episodes.

Tammy Hershberger 1:52:13

Yeah, so you might need when you do your podcast, you might need to bring guests on because you like that kind of rhetoric.

Jimmy Kleager 1:52:18

At some point, I will because um I will tell you whoever does the questions that that you're asking, Kellen does. Yeah, that's she's she does a great job. I mean, these are some really thought-provoking questions, yeah. Um, and and they seem so simple, but they have been really, really powerful. Um, they they honestly have helped me. That's why I think I've had so much fun with this. They've helped me unpackage some things and and that. So tell her thanks and tell her a great job. Yep. Um, other than than that, it's hey, listen, faith. You got you gotta have faith. Um, and once you do, things change. Your your mind changes, the your approach to things change. Um and the last thing is don't forget to do the work, right? Yeah. I mean, good ideas are good ideas, but it's not until you put them into into play that they will actually have an effect and have an impact and be able to for you to accomplish the why out there.

Tammy Hershberger 1:53:17

Yeah. So well, when you get your books through, let me know. Okay, oh I will. I'll be back on the book.

Jimmy Kleager 1:53:22

I will, absolutely.

Tammy Hershberger 1:53:23

Um, we thank you guys all for listening. I hope you guys enjoy Jimmy. He's always got a lot of wisdom, and I've enjoyed him.

Jimmy Kleager 1:53:28

And um coaching, we tell people really fast how to find you because you're yeah, so so if if you're interested in coaching, uh, I'd love to be a coach. Um, we can we can do anything from business. Uh if you're really into real estate, let me help you there. Uh, but if it's business mindset, family, you you name it, let me know. Uh, if you if you're interested, Jimmy at jimmycleger.com, or you can give me a call, 970-697-7776. Okay. So lots of sevens in there.

Tammy Hershberger 1:54:00

A lot that's a good number.

Jimmy Kleager 1:54:01

Yeah, exactly.

Tammy Hershberger 1:54:02

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