Discovering the Unreachable: History's Secretive Sites

Ever wondered what lies behind the world's most secretive doors? Our latest episode invites you on a captivating journey through some of the world's most forbidden and mysterious locales, blending humor with historical intrigue. From the untouched civilization of the Sentinelese people on North Sentinel Island to the shadowy secrets of Area 51, we explore the resilience and mysteries surrounding these hidden treasures. Along the way, we also share a lighthearted anecdote about Robert De Niro, drawing a personal connection that adds warmth to our thrilling exploration.

Our discussion doesn't stop there. We turn our attention to preserved natural environments, like a restricted area in Iceland, where the peculiar tale of a tomato plant growing amidst human activity parallels a scene from "The Martian." The recreated Lascaux caves in France also capture our imagination, as we uncover their ancient secrets without disturbing the original masterpieces. With playful banter, we imagine a Nicolas Cage adventure on Brazil's Snake Island, infamous for its deadly inhabitants and lore of pirate treasures.

The eerie allure of haunted and protected sites offers a chilling yet fascinating lens into history's dark corners. We delve into the Svalbard Global Seed Vault, affectionately called the "Doomsday Vault," and its critical role in safeguarding our planet's biodiversity. The haunting history of Italy's Poveglia Island—as both a quarantine station and mental asylum—evokes a profound sense of unease, reminding us of the shadowy depths of human history. Personal island adventures round out the episode, including a humorous wish to toss something into the lava of Australia's Herd Island, ensuring our exploration remains both enlightening and entertaining.

Transcript

Exploring Forbidden Places With Bonus Dad

Speaker 1 0:00

Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad. Bonus Daughter a special father-daughter podcast with me Hannah and me, davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories. Within our ever-changing and complex world, Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view and influences throughout the decades or you could choose one by contacting us via email, Instagram, Facebook or TikTok links in bio.

Speaker 2 0:23

Us via email, Instagram, Facebook or TikTok Links in bio. Hello and welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter. We are here live with Hannah and Davey, as usual, but we're not live. This is pre-recorded.

Speaker 1 0:32

No, this is pre-recorded.

Speaker 2 0:33

I just felt like I was just in a role there. You went proper Radio 4 again then. I was so in the groove. Yeah, you went really Radio 4. Let's just keep it chill, yeah we really Radio 4? Let's just keep it chill. Yeah, we're going to talk about forbidden places.

Speaker 1 0:53

Yes, so I feel like we need to be chill. Why? Because it's forbidden.

Speaker 2 0:54

Okay, I'm not sure where you're going with this, right? Okay, welcome to another intriguing episode of Bonus Dad, bonus Daughter. Today, we're diving into the mysterious and fascinating world of the top 10 forbidden places on earth. Each location is off limits for unique reasons. Stepped into history, legends and old theories. Get ready for some mind blowing stories and fascinating facts about these.

Speaker 1 1:12

Enigmatic Places. That was ChatGPT that wrote that.

Speaker 2 1:16

I know because it said of podcast name.

Speaker 1 1:18

Yeah, I don't know what our podcast is called, exactly, exactly. So yeah, that was ChatGPT. I was playing around with chat, gpt, enigmatic.

Speaker 2 1:24

Enigmatic. What does that mean? Enigmatic? Enigmatic. Have a look on dictionary Enigmatic.

Speaker 1 1:31

Enigma, enigmatic.

Speaker 2 1:33

Enigmatic, so let's just Well. It means enigma, doesn't it? Enigma Places that have an enigma.

Speaker 1 1:48

I did. That was a word what enigmatic?

Speaker 2 1:49

no, not enigma. Enigmatic, enigmatic, enigmatic, enigmatic. So the this is like the whole tfell tefl to foul I'm not a robot.

Speaker 1 1:53

Well, does your google keep telling you? You're saying ask you if you're a robot when you google things yeah yeah, it annoys me. It means this is the dictionary version. Okay. It means it is difficult to interpret or understand An enigma Mysterious An enigma. Yes, it's got a phrase here to use. It says he took the money with an enigmatic smile, mysterious, difficult to understand or interpret.

Speaker 2 2:22

I love that word.

Speaker 1 2:24

I know.

Speaker 2 2:25

That's a good word.

Speaker 1 2:27

That's quite. That could mean anything. That particular sentence couldn't it?

Speaker 2 2:31

Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:32

He took the money with an enigmatic smile.

Speaker 2 2:35

So he took the money, but we don't With a mysterious smile.

Speaker 1 2:38

Difficult to interpret.

Speaker 2 2:39

Oh, like what was the?

Speaker 1 2:41

meaning behind him taking the money.

Speaker 2 2:43

And what was the money for?

Speaker 1 2:44

Exactly. So many questions I know, Just write a thing on it, Just for one sentence. Oh, did I tell you Actually. Just sorry, I've now gone on a tangent before we've even started the episode. Did I tell you about the couple of stories that I want to write?

Speaker 2 2:58

No, you didn't.

Speaker 1 2:58

Little short stories that I'm going to write.

Speaker 2 3:00

Oh, you've got some creative juices flowing. I've got a couple of ideas. You want to write some songs, write some stories, maybe both.

Speaker 1 3:07

I'm even thinking this one particular story that I want to write. You're going to now have an enigmatic smile on it. I might even turn it from a story. I might even write it as a script and film it, because it's a conversation between two people.

Speaker 2 3:20

Can I be one of the people?

Speaker 1 3:22

No no.

Speaker 2 3:29

Rude people. Can I be one of the people uh?

Speaker 1 3:30

no, no rude. No, not rude, not rude. This would be a. This is when you're like hannah, can't read. No, no, what the story would be. It'd be a man. It's a man sitting in a bar, that's there's a pigeon.

Speaker 2 3:36

There's a pigeon outside, yeah, yeah, and he's cooing. I was like I can hear that in my headphones uh.

Speaker 1 3:41

So what the story is is is it's going to be a man sitting in a bar and another person is going to come in and start talking to this person, and it's going to be a dialogue between these two people, and that's the story.

Speaker 2 3:53

That's it. That's the story. That's the story.

Speaker 1 3:55

Yeah, but do you know who the second person who walks in is?

Speaker 1 3:58

Imaginary friend death it's going to be death coming to take the other person away. But I want to write a story about a conversation, but what the conversation I want it to be is normally this the story would be that person, death talking to that person about their life. But I'm going to twist it where the man's actually going to say no, let's talk about, talk about you. Let's talk about what you do and it's going to be Death's kind of offloading what he does or she does to the man.

Speaker 1 4:35

It's almost going to be like a therapy session for the Grim Reaper.

Speaker 2 4:38

That's very cool. That's the story. Very cool concept. That's the story. I like the idea of that.

Speaker 1 4:42

And the other one. What are you going to call him? Who's death? I have no idea. Diath Diath Diath.

Speaker 2 4:49

Louis Cipher. Louis Cipher.

Speaker 1 4:51

That was the character's name in a film called Angel Heart, you know.

Speaker 2 4:53

Oh, okay, louis Cipher.

Speaker 1 4:54

With Mickey Rourke. Brilliant film. Brilliant film.

Speaker 2 5:00

Fun fact about Robert De Niro.

Speaker 1 5:02

He's waiting.

Speaker 2 5:03

I don't know about waiting.

Speaker 1 5:04

Sorry, it's been an Anorama song. Okay, robert De Niro's waiting. He's talking Italian.

Speaker 2 5:10

Okay, okay. Robert De Niro and myself Share the same birthday, do you really, yep? He was born on the 17th of August, I don't know what year, but yeah.

Speaker 1 5:20

We share a birthday Bloody hell, fun fact, fun fact with Hannah Yep Yep. We share a birthday. Bloody hell, fun fact, fun fact with Hannah yep yep. So anyway, so shall we get on what the episode is actually about so this episode is all about forbidden places and I picked the top 10 forbidden places and I thought we'd go through them one by one. Just have a little chat, see if we've heard of them and, yeah, just talk about them really. So the first one have you ever heard of north sentinel island in india?

Speaker 2 5:48

a hard question for me to answer, because we've actually already pre-recorded this episode, so I have now heard of all of them, but had I previously? Previously yeah I think I did. I was aware of an isolated tribe. I was not aware of what they were called and I don't know much about them, so explain away.

Speaker 1 6:04

So basically you are right, they are an isolated tribe, they're untouched by modern civilization, but they're also known for their hostility towards outsiders. So there was a really famous well, not really that famous, but there was a story about a guy who tried to go to the island and basically they killed him.

Speaker 2 6:26

Right.

Speaker 1 6:27

They fired arrows at his boat and they killed him and I believe they might have eaten him. I think there might be a little bit of cannibalistic tendencies going on, but basically it's the place is forbidden to protect them.

Speaker 2 6:41

Yeah, because they live on To protect them and to protect the people obviously going there.

Exploring Forbidden Territories and Military Secrets

Speaker 1 6:44

Leave them alone. They're on their island. They've been living like that for thousands of years. Yeah, they're calling the gang. Leave them be Calling the gang. They're calling the gang. So the Indian government, actually, under the Protection of Aboriginal Tribes Act, has made it forbidden for people to go there. Mm-hmm, the original Tribes Act has made it forbidden for people to go there, but there's a few things about it, so I don't know too much about this, but I just wonder how many there are.

Speaker 2 7:11

How many and how they live the way they do without communicating with the rest of the world and how much they actually know.

Speaker 1 7:20

Because I mean, you think about modern technology. So they would be seeing boats, yeah, they would probably be seeing planes flying overhead. So it does make you wonder what they, what they believe and what they think is going on in the world, because they are so isolated. I mean I would love I mean I say it's what I fly on the wall I'd love to be there and talk to them and listen to them, and but I mean I wouldn't because I'd they'd kill me and also I'd either die or get arrested by the indian government. Neither one's good. But it intrigues me yeah, it does intrigue me as to as to what their, what their average day, what's the day in the life of of a sentinelese yes, what do you think?

Speaker 2 8:05

oh, I mean, I just think leave and be curiosity will get the better of most people and they'll just die trying but also you know and you look at the.

Speaker 1 8:16

I mean what's happened throughout history, like when the spanish went to um and met with the aztecs gave more diseases flu diseases. Flu, flu because they weren't. You know, their immune system wasn't ready. So yeah, I mean, just if I was to go there, you might take COVID over.

Speaker 2 8:32

Yeah, kill them all off. Yeah, kill them all off. I assume they avoided COVID.

Speaker 1 8:37

Well, I would have thought so, because that's the definition of social distancing. Create your own tribe in the middle of the uh indian ocean yeah and uh, yeah they, they nailed social distancing they did yeah good for them. But there is an odd theory, hannah oh, there's always an odd theory, conspiracy, aliens? No, I'm just kidding. Uh, so they're coming up, number two yeah people seem to think that they might guard ancient knowledge or artifacts. Perhaps, so yeah. Perhaps, what's on that island?

Speaker 2 9:14

What are they guarding?

Speaker 1 9:15

Who knows, is it a portal to another dimension?

Speaker 2 9:18

Please tell me the interesting fact about. So, I love this. This is brilliant. I love this so much.

Speaker 1 9:25

So in in 2004, there was a horrific tsunami.

Speaker 2 9:29

Yeah, that I don't love, I just want to preface that I do not think a natural disaster is great. What I do think is great is the next part is they survived.

Speaker 1 9:36

The central east survived. They thought they weren't going to survive because of the nature of the wave yeah, of course but what happened was was the indian government sent over a helicopter to just have a look to see if they were still okay, and they started firing at, firing arrows at it jog on, we're fine, leave us alone. Nothing to see here, yeah, but what do you think went through their mind when they saw this helicopter?

Speaker 2 10:02

well, I don't think their first thought was huh, they're coming to check on us no I reckon their thought was they've come in to see if they can now learn everything about us, because we've all now been wiped out by a wave yeah I reckon that's what they thought, and they were just like you know what?

Speaker 1 10:16

no, can you imagine that helicopter they must have gone underground I don't know. I don't know. It might be worth looking. Just have a look, see where the wave went, how it went.

Speaker 2 10:26

If it did actually how much of the island it covered?

Speaker 1 10:29

But it does show that if they all survived, if it did get-.

Speaker 2 10:34

Well, we don't know if they all survived, I guess. But if the wave did hit the island with such force, that people would have done it shows how versatile they are and how, because it might have wiped out life, other life forms, like things that they eat, like I don't know, like, yeah, livestock and etc well, they might have even.

Speaker 1 10:51

They might even have that because we rely on so much in modern technology, like you know, because I mean I can smell when a storm's coming, I can smell it, you can smell it in the air are you saying that they had no ability to predict that the tsunami would happen? They might or maybe they did. They did. That's what I'm saying they might have done. They might be using other techniques.

Speaker 2 11:09

It would explain why enough survived that they could arrow down a helicopter.

Speaker 1 11:13

I suppose they might be using some kind of technique that we might have known about thousands of years ago, that we've forgotten about and lost because of technology. We don't need that anymore, but we've got technology to tell us. But they might yeah, they might have known it was coming and got away and prepared. So yeah, so that's North Sentinel Island. I find that one really interesting.

Speaker 2 11:33

Yeah.

Speaker 1 11:33

Interesting Aliens. We're on to topic two Topic, two Area 51.

Speaker 2 11:40

I don't think there's many people in this world that don't know of the term Area 51. Nevada Desert, Near Las Vegas basically. Well, no, it's not near Las Vegas. Las Vegas is in Nevada.

Speaker 1 11:53

Yeah, I mean, there's so many theories about Area 51, especially surrounding UFOs, although they're not called UFOs anymore.

Speaker 2 12:01

No, I yeah, they're now called UAPs, unidentified Aerial Phenomena. Ah, isn't that?

Speaker 1 12:08

what they are, rather than.

Speaker 2 12:09

Unidentified Flying Object.

Speaker 1 12:10

Yeah, so now, but it is a top secret military base, nice. It has now come out that I believe that they do test advanced aircraft and technology there, and that is part of what they do in Area 51. Which would explain if people are seeing weird things in the sky.

Speaker 2 12:27

It would, Because it's like it could be. If they're testing aircraft.

Speaker 1 12:31

Yeah, it's a new type of aircraft that is being tested. I can see. Yeah.

Speaker 2 12:36

So who made it forbidden? Well, obviously US military and government. So the odd theory with this one is time travel and interdimensional experiments take place here. I bet they do. I bet they do. I mean, there's probably some science happening, yeah.

Speaker 1 12:50

I mean. The thing is, I like that people are saying that it's an odd theory or conspiracy theory. I don't think that's too far from the truth, because it's science, it's science.

Speaker 2 13:01

It's feasible that they're trying. I mean whether they get it, whether it is very sci-fi, yeah whether they get it is another thing we're going into the realms exactly they're gonna be looking.

Speaker 1 13:09

I mean, look at all the work that brian cox is does with physics and you know um einstein's theory of relativity and speed of light and the hadrian colander I wonder if he's ever been to area 51 probably maybe, but you never know he has? Yeah, because time travel is possible. We can move forward in time.

Speaker 2 13:28

We can't move that's just called time zones no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 1 13:33

If I was to travel at the speed of light, yeah yeah, um, you travel at 99.9999999 the speed of light, right, and I travel for a certain amount of time. I would experience time differently to what you would experience time differently staying in one place, and I would, in fact, when I came back to you, I would be so many years into the future. I think, if I can't remember the exact, there is a formula.

Speaker 2 14:01

Interstellar.

Speaker 1 14:02

Yeah, and I would, when I would come come back, say like millions of years into the future, but only, maybe only a few minutes would have passed for me, yeah, because of that traveling at that speed do you know?

Speaker 2 14:13

what's weird about this conversation is that I was having the exact same conversation with mitchell yesterday on a walk. Really exact same thing. We just came up in conversation really what mitchell was saying?

Speaker 1 14:22

yeah, mitchell was saying it, yeah yeah, there was.

Speaker 2 14:25

You know you could not. He didn't say, he didn't call it time travel, but he mentioned that you know, traveling into into the future you'd come back, but everyone you'd know would be dead because there would be millions and thousands of years that passed yeah how cool would like almost like seeing the world advance that much I wonder what you'd come back and see.

Speaker 1 14:45

Very interesting. I mean, we would never know. I mean time itself. We still don't really know what time is.

Speaker 2 14:50

No, theoretically, it's just a concept that we have constructed to keep Exactly and is time linear, can we?

Speaker 1 14:57

Yeah, I mean, there's so many things we don't know.

Speaker 2 15:00

With the new year. I looked into who experiences the new year first and last.

Speaker 1 15:05

Yeah.

Speaker 2 15:05

And because of the way the time zones work the island that new year starts on and the island that finishes they're so close to each other yeah, that they're 18 hours difference.

Speaker 1 15:18

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 15:18

And they're literally neighbors.

Speaker 1 15:20

Yeah, it's mad. Yeah, it's mad. Yeah, time is a weird thing. We still don't quite know what it is.

Speaker 2 15:27

No.

Speaker 1 15:28

You know we could all be. Yeah, that's a whole other podcast, that one.

Speaker 2 15:33

Maybe we should have a separate episode on that.

Speaker 1 15:35

We should maybe, yeah, get Brian Cox on Do you think he would?

Speaker 2 15:39

No, no, but the sound and quietness yeah, there is now.

Speaker 1 15:44

I found this interesting fact actually really interesting that they only acknowledged the actual existence of it in 2013 see, that's mad to me because I feel like I've known about this for ages everyone knows it's there, but they only officially said yeah okay, yeah, alright, then it's there, you found us what was the? Was it the Naturo run that everyone was going to do the thingy with the hands behind their back running in.

Speaker 2 16:07

Oh yeah, what was that? I don't know. I know what you mean, though I think that was just a gimmicky online, yeah.

Speaker 1 16:13

But in 2013, they declassified documents revealing the use of stealth aircraft in the U-2 spy plane, saying that's where they tested it and where they'd done it, and they declassified those documents and Area 51's mentioned in Paul it is, yeah, yeah, in the film Paul with Simon Pegg.

Speaker 2 16:32

It's mentioned in a lot of things that are sci-fi related. Independence Day is it in ET as well?

Speaker 1 16:38

yeah, yeah psh.

Speaker 2 16:39

Yeah, you said that very confidently.

Speaker 1 16:41

I think so, I think so. It's in Independence Day. It's put up in loads of films Area 51. Moving on then. Moving on to the next one is Surtsey Island in Iceland.

Speaker 2 16:53

Yeah.

Speaker 1 16:54

Heard of this one.

Speaker 2 16:55

No.

Speaker 1 16:55

No, I hadn't either, but this is someplace I'd like to go because it's Iceland, but it's forbidden. But it is forbidden. It was formed by a volcanic eruption in 1963. So it's only what, 80 years old.

Speaker 2 17:09

Yes.

Speaker 1 17:09

Is that maths?

Speaker 2 17:11

No.

Speaker 1 17:11

No 60 years old. Yes, 60 years old 62 years old, so it's now a pristine natural laboratory.

Speaker 2 17:19

Yeah, very cool.

Speaker 1 17:21

So basically people are saying you can't go there because they're trying to keep it sanitized, I think probably is the best word to say. And it's natural habitat. The Icelandic government have made it forbidden to go there because they need to preserve the environment for scientific research. I like it. It's like saying don't ruin it, don't go there, yeah, just leave it be. Yeah, don't be a dick, don't be a dick, don't be a dick.

Speaker 1 17:51

That should be everybody's motto don't be a dick don't be a dick and uh, but people do believe that there is a secret underground civilization that exists nearby, at Atlantis. It's Atlantis, it's Atlantis, it's the fish people.

Speaker 2 18:08

That's who the deep is talking to.

Speaker 1 18:10

But one thing, the interesting fact about this particular place. Go on, then Treat us, Treat us with a fact Is that somebody actually shit there. Somebody took a dump on this island and this is probably why the Icelandic government is saying we just can't trust people.

Speaker 2 18:29

Yeah, I get where they're coming from.

Speaker 1 18:31

Yeah, so someone goes to this island and they take a shit, because the reason they found it is they found a tomato plant growing out of said shit and it was human feces.

Speaker 2 18:41

So we fertilized the soil with a seed that we'd eaten and a tomato plant grew it. I think it it was human feces. So we fertilized the soil with a seed that we'd eaten, yes. And a tomato plant grew it.

Speaker 1 18:46

I think it was Matt Damon.

Speaker 2 18:47

Why do you think it was Matt Damon? Have you seen that film where he's in the spacecraft Because he's a space martian.

Speaker 1 18:51

Yeah, in the spacecraft, is it the Martian?

Speaker 2 18:53

Yeah, the Martian.

Speaker 1 18:54

Yeah, and he does it and he shits and makes all the potatoes. So he did it. He went to the island, took a dump and tomatoes are now growing on there. So, but no, I like the idea of this. I like the idea of this.

Speaker 2 19:10

You know it's I like the idea that it should be kept away from people. Yeah, it's a natural laboratory. I assume scientists go there.

Speaker 1 19:16

But like suited and booted, yeah we really are a virus of this, aren't we?

Speaker 2 19:20

We are.

Speaker 1 19:21

Like Agent Smith says in the Matrix yeah, yeah, definitely. I've not heard of the next one, the Lascaux Caves in France. I have not pronounced that correctly and I know I haven't.

Speaker 2 19:32

Probably Lascaux.

Speaker 1 19:34

Yeah, you're a bit more Frenchy than me.

Speaker 2 19:36

Yeah, but even that one's a difficult one.

Speaker 1 19:38

Lascaux.

Speaker 2 19:39

Yeah, lecaux.

Speaker 1 19:41

Lecaux, lecaux, leco Leco, leco, leco, caves, I would drop the S. Yeah. So these caves, basically they are caves that's got lots of ancient art in there, nice.

Speaker 2 19:52

Cave paintings, nice, dating over 17,000 years. Yeah, I can understand why they wouldn't want people here. Hmm, yeah, so it's basically kind of like caveman paintings really. Yeah, very cool, very, very cool. It's weird to think of cavemen in France, why, as a concept, it just sounds really strange.

Speaker 1 20:12

Well, when you go back all those years and had the continents of forms, One continent, yeah, we were all I mean, because you look at the. I think you look at the coastline of South America and look at the coastline of south america and look at the coastline of africa pangea baby and they kind of fit yeah okay, and you can even see the, the mountain range as it goes across.

Speaker 2 20:33

I just think it's really odd that I don't know, we just think of I don't know, I just I don't never think of cavemen living in on the land that we're living on.

Speaker 1 20:42

Yeah, it's just just bizarre to me well, you think of um, because, because you know, there was a piece of land between where the North Sea is now called Doggerland years and years ago. So we were connected to mainland Europe at one point. So the English Channel wasn't there, we connected to France, yeah, and there was a piece of Doggerland where it went across Norway. When the ice caps melted after the last ice age, the dog land got put underwater and that's the north sea. It's quite swampy. From what you can tell, the area is quite swampy, but, yeah, there was this piece of land, wow, across. So that's connected, yeah, so that, so you can kind of see when the world is like that all connected together, you can then kind of see where everyone was, you can see where everyone was living. Then they wouldn't need needed to have had to travel to it by boat because they were already on the land.

Speaker 1 21:30

Everything was yeah it's just over time period, it's kind of went, but but yeah, I mean, this is the fact that 17 000 years ago that doesn't even compute really is how long that is yeah, that's mad to think about yeah, and what life would have been like.

Exploring Fake Caves and Snake Island

Speaker 2 21:43

And it's forbidden because human presence would cause mould and deterioration. We would literally kill it, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 21:49

But what I do like about this particular one is that the French government have recreated it.

Speaker 2 21:55

Yeah so you can still experience it without having to destroy the original.

Speaker 1 21:59

Without actually going there. So you can, and it's uh, so they've called it, lescaux. Laco four was created, uh, to allow visitors to experience the artwork without harming the original cave very nice of the french government to do that.

Speaker 2 22:13

Thank you, french government indeed they've made it so that people aren't curious about what it looks like. I guess, I mean some people probably would be. But yeah, they're fake caves. At least people still get a taste of yeah, what it looks like do you see, I can't remember what it was now.

Speaker 1 22:28

But I did see somewhere where someone went to a cave and it was almost like a warning, saying like don't go into places you don't know about. And what they did? They lit a torch and they threw the torch into the cave and immediately went out. Lack of oxygen lack of oxygen.

Speaker 2 22:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cavers oh my god, they're nuts what, what, why, why?

Speaker 1 22:49

I just don't get it. Why did you do that or why do you do?

Speaker 2 22:52

that I wouldn't even say that I'm claustrophobic, but when I watch videos of people like going into really small like crevices- I can't cope with that no, and in water yeah oh no no, that's that no they're just idiots.

Speaker 2 23:04

Yeah, I mean, there's that guy who died, or quite a few people died, but I know the one you're talking about, the face because what he was doing was he thought that the cave was going to open up further down that's right and then he didn't realize, because you lose awareness of what direction you're heading in. He realized he was heading down and that's how he got stuck in the cave yeah probably still there yeah, but he's still there, yeah yeah, because he went in with his brother and his brother couldn't get very far, so they swapped places and he went in front yeah yeah, and then he started heading down, and that's when gravity took over things happened?

Speaker 1 23:37

yeah so, but there is an old theory that the paintings are an ancient star map. They probably are.

Speaker 2 23:43

They probably are. I mean, yeah, people were very looking up to the stars to see, you know why.

Speaker 1 23:49

Exactly.

Speaker 2 23:50

And people have been asking the question why, I think, for a very, very long time.

Speaker 1 23:53

Yeah, next one Moving on. I mean, I'd like to see that the caves yeah, not the caves. Well, you know, go to the fake one.

Speaker 2 24:00

The fake caves. The fake caves. I'm up for going to the fake caves.

Speaker 1 24:04

Would you go to the next place? Because I bloody wouldn't.

Speaker 2 24:06

No, talk about the next place.

Speaker 1 24:08

Snake Island.

Speaker 2 24:09

Yeah.

Speaker 1 24:10

In Brazil, no way.

Speaker 2 24:12

No way.

Speaker 1 24:13

No way. So this particular place is home to the golden lancehead viper, one of the most venomous snakes in the world, and there's lots of them.

Speaker 2 24:21

Cool so not the world, and there's lots of them. Cool so not only does it have the most venomous snake in the world, in that there's lots of, it has all of them, all of the most venomous snakes.

Speaker 1 24:33

Why?

Speaker 2 24:34

is it forbidden? It's dangerous due to its dense snake population. Yes, nah, yeah, no, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 1 24:36

This is thank you for brazilian government for making that forbidden yeah, I mean, that's on par with australia, with for me, I mean, australia is one of those places where, again, everything wants to kill you, so I would not be going there. There is a theory that there is treasure on there, that pirates have treasure on there and it's guarded by the snakes.

Speaker 2 24:56

I think guarded by the snakes is a very funny term, I bet the snakes don't know it's there, they just happen to be there.

Speaker 1 25:02

I mean, I'm thinking there could be a Nicolas Cage film here, or Indiana Jones National Treasure 3. Yeah, or Indiana Jones and Snake Island.

Speaker 2 25:12

Yeah, I mean, hasn't there been a snakey? Oh yeah, because Indiana Jones doesn't like snakes.

Speaker 1 25:17

Oh, he doesn't like snakes he doesn't like snakes, so this is why this would be so good.

Speaker 2 25:21

We're kindred spirits.

Speaker 1 25:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2 25:22

I'm not a snake person either, talking about Indiana Jones?

Speaker 1 25:25

did I tell you Joe's finished his geology degree? No, you didn't, and he's now an official archaeologist.

Speaker 2 25:30

He is Indiana Jones.

Speaker 1 25:31

Yeah, so when I saw him the other day, I was playing the Indiana Jones theme to him Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, Do, do, do do. Okay, cool, but what about the interesting fact?

Speaker 2 25:44

Hannah Read that there is an estimated one to five snakes per square meter. Fuck that, making it one of the most densely populated snake habitats on Earth. One to five snakes per square meter.

Speaker 1 25:59

Yeah.

Exploring Haunted and Protected Sites

Speaker 2 26:00

Absolutely not. It's like a carpet of snakes. Basically, you can't step. No, no, I'm not going there. There's all these snakes. Basically, you can't step. No, no, I'm not going there. There's all these snakes. What do they eat Exactly? For people, if they're the most populous animal on there, they must eat each other.

Speaker 1 26:16

And think of the reproducing that's going on there.

Speaker 2 26:19

Yeah, like rabbits Snakes are eggs, aren't they?

Speaker 1 26:23

They are. Do they fertilize inside the body and then give birth to the egg?

Speaker 2 26:26

Or do they fertilize after the egg Like a chicken?

Speaker 1 26:29

Okay, what came first, the snake or the chicken? Probably the snake yeah but one to five per square meter.

Speaker 2 26:36

Nah.

Speaker 1 26:36

Nah, that's definitely not on my bucket list to visit. The next one I love. Yes, and I've heard of this. Yeah, I've heard the uh, svalbard, svalbard global seed vault in norway. I think I knew it, but I knew it as the doomsday vault that was um yeah it's known as that yeah, um, yeah.

Speaker 2 26:54

Basically it stores seeds from around the world to safe safeguard by biodiversity, so essentially they have every seed conceivable seed yeah um in a vault and they keep them there just in case we really, really mess up this world. What?

Speaker 1 27:08

do you mean, just in case, when, when?

Speaker 2 27:10

Okay, I probably should say that, when we mess up this world and one of our I don't know most prolific crops dies. At least we've got some backup.

Speaker 1 27:19

Yeah.

Speaker 2 27:20

Thank you, Norway.

Speaker 1 27:21

Thank you, Norway. You are stars. I would love to go there. Thank you, Norway.

Speaker 2 27:24

Thank you, Norway you are stars.

Speaker 1 27:25

I would love to go there. Yeah, I know you'd never get in, you'd never be able to go there.

Speaker 2 27:28

But, but to see the front of it, because isn't it like, yeah, it's built into a mountain?

Speaker 1 27:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2 27:32

Yeah, designed to withstand nuclear explosions, earthquakes and rising sea levels.

Speaker 1 27:36

They've thought about it as well. It's not just.

Speaker 2 27:38

They've thought about it. Viking storage in Norwich is the seed vault of Norway. I mean, they've really thought about it, yeah.

Speaker 1 27:51

But they do think as well within there. There is a theory that they do have human DNA in there which they could use to reboot civilization when we bugger it all up.

Speaker 2 28:00

Very cool.

Speaker 1 28:00

Possible.

Speaker 2 28:01

I don't think that's out of the realms of possibility in my honest opinion.

Speaker 1 28:06

When you think of the technological and medical advancements that we've done, that we've got, I think it makes sense. Fab yeah, but I love that. I think that's one of those places I would like to go, defo.

Speaker 2 28:17

Let's move on to Italy.

Speaker 1 28:18

Next one, maybe not Okay, maybe not the Poveglia Island in Italy, used as a quarantine station during the plague and later as a mental asylum. It's rumoured to be haunted.

Speaker 2 28:31

Yeah.

Speaker 1 28:32

Yeah, probably, probably. The Italian government have said you can't go there because of its dark history, and there's also concerns about safety.

Speaker 2 28:39

Right.

Speaker 1 28:40

So they believe the island is cursed and any attempts to develop it result in tragedy. Ah, so it's a very like I think the Italian government have just Adam Mazzoni, take him up the hill. I think the Italian government have kind of gone.

Speaker 2 28:58

They've holzed this yeah they've got.

Speaker 1 29:00

There's some spooky shit going on over there, so let's just leave it be.

Speaker 2 29:03

Wear a shawl above when you need them.

Speaker 1 29:05

Yeah, just leave it be. Wear a shawl above when you need them. Yeah, just leave it be.

Speaker 2 29:07

It's estimated that over 160,000 people died on the island and 50% of the island's soil consists of human ash.

Speaker 1 29:15

I know.

Speaker 2 29:16

Ooh, oh, dear, that's horrendous. Yeah, maybe not. That would feel quite eerie, I reckon.

Speaker 1 29:23

Yeah.

Forbidden and Mysterious Island Explorations

Speaker 2 29:23

And I think that's probably why people think it's haunted is because it's just you already know the preconceived idea of the history behind it yeah, yeah. And therefore you're probably going to feel a bit ooh, that's a bit like visiting Auschwitz. I feel like it's the same kind of category of ooh, unease Kind of yeah. There'll be like an aura, a feeling of yeah, a feeling of yeah, I'm not belittling either either. Oh god, no tragedy, I just mean that it would be a very similar, yeah experience experience in in that sense can you remember?

Speaker 1 29:55

did you feel anything when we went to that island in Crete?

Speaker 2 29:59

no, I don't remember. I remember it being very hot and loads of monkeys yeah, there was the leprosy colony leprosy colony. I can't remember what it was called. Now, mom would know, she would know the answer beyond the s, I remember beyond the s we went to chrissy island, which was like the island that was like kind of borders africa and yeah well, it was like, yeah, africa was the next continent.

Speaker 1 30:19

We swam so far out in the sea because well, well, there were no toilets, I know and your mum wanted a wee and she was like I can't go, I've got to go. I was like let's just swim out in the sea and go in the sea.

Speaker 2 30:30

But the sea was really flat, wasn't it Like it was? Like a bay so you could swim out for quite a while and you would still be able to touch the floor. Well, that sand was so hot as well, wasn't it? It was roasting.

Speaker 1 30:50

I remember just sitting in the sea because there was no shade. It wasn't actually very pleasant, to be honest, and wasn't the sand like full of shells? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like a white sand, but it was mainly shells. Uh, but there was no shade, was there there? Was nothing, no and it was basking hot, basking, hot it reminds me mitchell and I went to a?

Speaker 2 31:02

um like an abandoned castle just off of the coast of Marseille in France.

Speaker 1 31:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2 31:07

We took a little boat trip out there and it was quite warm that day as well, and I remember we'd done kind of the tour. We'd read all of the bits, all the bits in English, anyway, mostly in. French, of course, and it was based on the. Is it Monte Cristo? Do you know the book?

Speaker 1 31:23

Oh, the Canto Monte Cristo, yeah, yeah the.

Speaker 2 31:26

Is it monte cristo? Do you know the book? The?

Speaker 1 31:27

oh, the kind of monte cristo yeah, yeah, the book was based on the story behind that. Yeah, okay, oh okay. Yeah, alexandra dumas wrote that, that's right, yeah, that's right, yeah.

Speaker 2 31:34

Uh, that's where he got the, either got the muse of the story or he rewrote kind of that like a bit of history within the book. I can't exactly. There was a connection between two yeah anyway, whilst we were there, there was there. The only shade that was there was from the castle itself. Because, you were there for quite a few hours. You'd obviously just try and follow the shade around. And then they did have a little drinks cart, and I remember saying oh my God, it's such a lovely day just sitting watching the sea lap against the rocks of this island.

Speaker 2 32:00

That was basically all stone, no sand or anything, and we were just, yeah, lapping up the rocks and drinking a nice cool coke and oh yeah, it was good I remember sometimes, when we were in korea as well, we went to other island, didn't we?

Speaker 1 32:13

and there was, and that bloody, 18 to 30 pissed boat went past and they were there and there was loads of cans and stuff all over the beach. Oh really, yeah, it was horrible. I don't remember that. Yeah, again, people not being respectful of the environment. Yeah, exactly it's a bit of a gone, yeah, but the next place, again somewhere where I don't really fancy going.

Speaker 2 32:34

No, so this is off the coast of New York.

Speaker 1 32:36

Yeah.

Speaker 2 32:37

The island housed a quarantine hospital and was the site of the General Slocum disaster one of the deadliest maritime accidents in the US history.

Speaker 1 32:46

Now we looked this up, didn't we? We did, and quite a lot of people died on this one yeah really Well.

Speaker 2 32:52

one of the deadliest maritime accidents in the US history. So yeah, massive.

Speaker 1 32:56

I think it was the only other disaster on American soil which was equally as bad. I think was 9-11. Yeah, that was the scale of this disaster, saw, which was equally as bad, I think, was 9-11.

Speaker 2 33:06

Yeah, that was the scale of this disaster. Yeah, um, it's. It's forbidden because it's now a bird sanctuary, which is a nice way of yeah, yeah, like the leprosy colony is a monkey yeah I guess let's ship all the things that we don't like onto an island that we can't visit because we think it's cursed exactly, yeah thanks. Humans um new york have made it forbidden and the odd theory is that the spirits of the General Slocum. Am I saying that right?

Speaker 1 33:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Slocum victims haunt the island, yeah.

Speaker 2 33:30

The interesting fact. This made me laugh when I first read it as well. Typhoid Mary, a notorious carrier of typhoid fever, was confined here until her death in 1938. That's in modern history. Typhoid Mary, bless her I know that's all she's ever known for.

Speaker 1 33:48

Yeah, typhoid mary do you think she had that name before she got typhoid? It was just a just a strange coincidence.

Speaker 2 33:56

Here comes typhoid mary did they say that to her face?

Speaker 1 33:59

exactly like how horrible, like why is she so notorious?

Speaker 2 34:03

yeah, typhoid mary, typhoid mary bloody hell yeah poor lady bless her I'd love to be known as Chronic Illness Hannah. Like what? What is that about? She says sarcastically. I'm just known as. Handsome Davy oh of course that's what, that's what people call me. Dipstick Davy.

Speaker 1 34:22

Oh, thank you. Herd Island In Australia, herd Herd Island.

Speaker 2 34:27

Home to Big Ben Not.

Speaker 1 34:29

Yes.

Speaker 2 34:29

Not the UK. Big Ben bell, not the bell.

Speaker 1 34:32

Not the bell Slash.

Speaker 2 34:33

Not the bell Clock tower.

Speaker 1 34:34

Big Ben in Australia is a bloody great volcano.

Speaker 2 34:37

With a lava lake. Mm-hmm Fun times ahead of that.

Speaker 1 34:40

Yeah, do you know what?

Speaker 2 34:41

I'd love to throw something in that lake. What?

Speaker 1 34:44

me. That's why you looked at. Well, I'm looking at you because I'm talking to you, but I just mean something, Anything like a rock. A lava lake.

Speaker 2 34:50

I just like to see what it does.

Speaker 1 34:51

It would probably erupt. Oh, you'd probably just kill everybody. Well, I'm the catalyst. I would like to go to a volcano.

Speaker 2 35:00

Would you? Yeah, I mean, they seem pretty volatile.

Speaker 1 35:04

I know, but I think, just to experience the raw energy of nature, nature, just to see it.

Speaker 2 35:11

Yeah.

Speaker 1 35:12

Probably not get too close. So we can't get close because it's to protect its ecosystem and due to the harsh conditions, which is fair, which is a fair point, isn't it really?

Speaker 2 35:22

The odd theory, though, is it's a secret military tests or alien technology, of course, could be hidden there. So any place that they make forbidden humans are like huh. They must be hiding something.

Speaker 1 35:34

I know it's like the immediate response. We're so distrusting, aren't?

Speaker 2 35:38

we yeah, we are.

Speaker 1 35:38

So distrusting of things.

Speaker 2 35:41

Interesting fact, though, that Heard Island is one of the windiest places on Earth, with hurricane-force winds and heavy snowfalls year-round.

Speaker 1 35:51

So it winds and heavy snowfalls year round so it's quite inhospitable. I mean, you throw all that into the mix so you've got snowfalls which could you could freeze to death hurricane, force, winds, yeah and and a lava lake and the depths of hell itself. Yeah, you know. So this is the hell mouth. It is the hell mouth. You're right, that's exactly what it is. Get buffy on the phone, yeah, yeah on the phone.

Speaker 2 36:10

Just call her up. Yeah, call her up. So, sarah michelle geller, um thing um, would you mind just heading across to uh herd island?

Speaker 1 36:19

yeah, for me, and uh just checking it out, close that helmet, get spike, send spike in I reckon she'd say no I think she'd probably say no yeah. And we have one more.

Speaker 2 36:31

One more.

Speaker 1 36:31

And this screams Umbrella.

Speaker 2 36:37

Yes, it does. Please try and pronounce this.

Speaker 1 36:40

So we've just literally in the last one, we've just said people are so untrusting. Yeah, we always think something's going on.

Speaker 2 36:46

We're immediately like Umbrella. Yeah, this is Umbrella. This is us being untrusting.

Speaker 1 36:50

This is the umbrella corporation, so Mezogori, mezogori.

Speaker 2 36:55

I think that's pretty close, I reckon.

Speaker 1 36:57

Russia.

Speaker 2 36:58

Yeah.

Speaker 1 36:58

Russia A Russian town called Mezogori.

Speaker 2 37:02

A closed town near Mount Yamantu, yeah, yamantu. Yeah, yeah, man yeah me too, yeah, believed to house a massive underground facility Umbrella. Why it's forbidden Because of national security reasons and the person that made it forbidden, of course, is the Russian government, In fact, all of these. They follow a theme it's always the government that have forbid them.

Speaker 1 37:21

Yes.

Speaker 2 37:22

Yeah, they probably have the most power. Odd theory is it's part of a subterranean network used for alien collaboration or housing a secret doomsday bunker. I don't not believe it, you know. I just don't not believe it. I think, you know you've got Double negative again, but I just it's so believable.

Speaker 1 37:43

Yeah. I reckon that's true, but the thing is, I think there's these all over the world. Yeah, I think everyone does it.

Speaker 2 37:51

And I bet the only people that know about them are the people that need to be there to know about them, because the thing is, they're not going to save us, are they?

Speaker 1 37:59

No, because, again as well, we just can't trust the general population. You can't tell them nothing.

Speaker 2 38:04

If the government are listening and you were looking for candidates to, you know, pop in there. Um, I do have chronic illness, which is, which is bad, but I'm a really good project manager, so if I could just have you know uh one seat. Yeah, one seat. I'll send him a cv, just um. Yeah, I think I'd be really good for your cause. I'm just saying that right now. Anyway, back to the podcast. Interesting fact Despite its secrecy, satellite images show large-scale evacuation and infrastructure development fueling speculations about its true purpose.

Speaker 2 38:40

Its umbrella, its umbrella, ooh, and that's the interesting fact. That's actually like real life. Oh no, but we looked it up, didn't we?

Speaker 1 38:48

We did and it looks like a. Well, I looked it up and surprise, surprise and it looks like.

Speaker 2 38:50

Uh well, I looked it up and and surprise, surprise, there weren't that much information on it.

Speaker 1 38:54

Yeah, really yeah, and there were pictures of like a couple of like huts and houses there, yeah, yeah uh, yeah, so it's a weird one, well, but but I mean, I I think there's these places in america, I think they're probably places in germany that probably got them as well.

Speaker 2 39:10

Uk they'll be all you know this, this type of experimentation and this type of I'm gonna start a rumor go on a theory go on so you know the channel tunnel yeah I thought about this the other day because I watched uh 28 uh weeks later oh okay, yeah, 28 months later.

Speaker 1 39:26

28 weeks later, which days, weeks, and now we're going to be getting years. Oh yeah, weeks. Which did you know? Years was filmed on an iPhone.

Speaker 2 39:33

Yes, yeah, yes, 28,. Yeah. So 28 weeks later is a zombie movie and basically spoiler alert, but it's been out for a while. They end up going in the tunnel, Channel Tunnel and getting across to Paris, right yeah, I think the Channel Tunnel has more tunnels than we know about.

Speaker 1 39:51

Do you?

Speaker 2 39:51

think, what do you think's there? I just think it would be Aliens. No, no, no. I just think it would be perfect testing ground for working out sort of the culture of and I'm talking like culture, as in biodiversity of the ocean.

Speaker 1 40:07

Okay.

Speaker 2 40:09

The Channel's not really that deep though though no, but I think that's what makes it the perfect place because, you. In terms of evacuation, it's probably the safest underwater base yeah being in the ocean. I don't know, I just feel like that might be you think there's things there there's more tunnels under there okay rumor started rumor started.

Speaker 2 40:27

Yeah, now let me think about it because I thought, oh, they've ran all the way through from the UK to France. They didn't look tired, by the way, these zombies, they'll just keep carrying on. They made it to France, but yeah.

Speaker 1 40:38

Okay, conspiracy Hannah.

Speaker 2 40:40

Yeah, I reckon there's more. I think there's more to it.

Speaker 1 40:44

There's stuff going on that we will never know about no. Because we can't be trusted.

Speaker 2 40:49

That's a race we can't be trusted, right? Every country is in debt, right?

Speaker 1 40:54

To who?

Speaker 2 40:54

But to who?

Speaker 1 40:55

To who? That's what I mean, Like oh, the UK's.

Speaker 2 40:57

in so much debt I'm thinking who do they borrow money off?

Speaker 1 40:59

Yeah.

Speaker 2 41:00

Because everyone else seems out there in debt. Greece has been in debt for the like right yeah, see, there there's a rabbit hole yeah yeah, there's so many people down right yeah anyway, if you really enjoyed this episode, um, please check out our other episodes. We've done some more conspiracy theory style episodes in the past. We're not conspiracy theory uh podcast, but um, but we do like to dabble. Because you are a conspiracy theorist, I would say me, I just enjoy them I just enjoy them.

Speaker 1 41:27

I just I just enjoy listening. They're funny. I don't believe them.

Speaker 2 41:31

Well, you believe some of them.

Speaker 1 41:33

I think there might be a grain of truth in some of it, but we never know the full story.

Speaker 2 41:37

We will never know the full story.

Speaker 1 41:38

But primarily they just make me laugh, I think they're hilarious.

Speaker 2 41:42

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