Axe Murderers and Movie Stars: What Your Family Tree Might Reveal

What makes us family when blood ties aren't part of the equation? In this deeply personal exploration of genetics and identity, Hannah and Davey unpack the science and significance of DNA while reflecting on their own unique father-daughter relationship that transcends biological connections.

The conversation begins with a fascinating revelation that everyone with blue eyes shares a common ancestor, sparking a discussion about the surprising ways humans are genetically connected. Hannah and Davey take this opportunity to explain their "bonus" relationship – how Davey became Hannah's stepfather when she was six years old, creating a meaningful family bond that proves family connections go far beyond shared genetics.

As they delve into the mechanics of DNA testing, Davey shares his remarkable ancestry discoveries, including unexpected connections to historical figures like Marilyn Monroe, Winston Churchill, and rather surprisingly, infamous axe murderer Lizzie Borden! Their discussion explores how genetic testing can unlock fascinating insights about our origins while sometimes revealing uncomfortable family secrets or privacy concerns. From crime-solving applications to health insights, they examine how our understanding of DNA continues to evolve and impact our lives.

The pair thoughtfully consider how DNA testing challenges our notions of identity and heritage. With results showing connections spanning Ireland, Scandinavia, and beyond, they reflect on how our genetic makeup often reveals a more complex picture than our simplified national or cultural identities might suggest. Their warm, curious conversation invites listeners to consider their own genetic mysteries and what they might discover about themselves through the blueprint of life.

Have you explored your genetic ancestry? We'd love to hear your stories about unexpected discoveries or family connections. Follow us on social media or contact us through our website to share your DNA journey!

Transcript

Introduction to DNA Discussion

Speaker 1 0:00

Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad . Bonus Daughter a special father-daughter podcast with me Hannah and me , davie , where we discuss our differences , similarities , share a few laughs and stories within our ever-changing and complex world , Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view and influences throughout the decades or you could choose one by contacting us via email , instagram , facebook or TikTok links in bio .

Speaker 2 0:24

Hello and welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad , bonus Daughter podcast . We are here today to discuss DNA .

Speaker 1 0:32

Indeed .

Speaker 2 0:32

Of which none we share .

Speaker 1 0:34

We don't share any DNA at all .

Speaker 2 0:36

Well , that we know of ?

Speaker 1 0:38

I suppose no , actually , we do Do , we , we do Do do , do we yes how do ? You . Little fun fact for you we both have blue eyes we do , that's true so blue eyes , people with people with blue eyes all share a common ancestor which ancestor ? We're going back thousands upon thousands of years .

Speaker 2 0:59

I feel like we need to give them a name Barry Bob Bob Barry . It is Bob Barry Bob Barry .

Speaker 1 1:03

Yeah , name barry bob barry is bob barry , bob barry , yeah bob barry blue-eyed bob barry that's a mouthful yeah so yeah , we all share the same common ancestor fun yeah , so it's , it's to have blue eyes . I think brown eyes is the most common uh . Blue eyes is quite rare uh , but the rarest , I believe , is hazel and green hazel , hazel eyes and green eyes .

Speaker 2 1:27

My eyes are blue , but they're very gray blue . They're not the bluest of eyes . I do not have blue , blue eyes yeah , blue , blue , one change color yeah , you're , oh , you are , you've , you've got one green , one blue actually you're just a weirdo .

Speaker 1 1:40

Yeah , yeah , you've david bowie'd it . Yeah , a little bit do you know what happened to david bowie's eyes ? He got punched . One of them was blown , wasn't ?

Speaker 2 1:47

yeah , he got .

Speaker 1 1:47

He got punched in the punch in the in the eye and his , yeah , one of his pupils , blue , yeah , bless him poor guy .

Speaker 2 1:54

Does that mean he can't see in the dark or see in the light ?

Speaker 1 1:56

I can't see anything at the moment .

Speaker 2 1:57

He's dead obviously when he was alive .

Speaker 1 2:00

Yeah , yeah , no , he could no , he could see fine , he could see fine , it's just blue .

Speaker 2 2:04

But aren't your eyes ? Don't your eyes dilate , get bigger when it's darker .

Speaker 1 2:10

Yeah , because it's to let more light in .

Speaker 2 2:13

Yeah , so he probably couldn't see as well in the light as he could in the dark with that particular eye . Probably Right , yeah , probably . Maybe he had night vision in my day yeah , that's quite cool actually . Can we sorry pause ? I know you want to dive in because you're really rare in them .

Speaker 2 2:27

I feel like I'm just interrupting , I think maybe because YouTube is new to our listeners , because we were audio before . We haven't actually explained a lot about our us . To be honest , I just . The reason I'm saying this is because I've just mentioned that we don't actually share any DNA and people are going to be like , oh , I thought he was her dad . That's what I'm just thinking .

Speaker 2 2:49

I'm thinking ahead of the questions , so for those who haven't watched our first ever episode , because I think that's the only time we ever actually explained it , and I don't even know if the first ever episode has ?

Speaker 1 2:59

Have we ever actually explained our actual father-daughter relationship ?

Speaker 2 3:05

I actually don't think we have DNA . Feels like the one to do it all right , yeah , I think it should .

Speaker 1 3:09

Yeah , yeah

Our Bonus Dad-Daughter Relationship Explained

Speaker 1 3:10

, yeah .

Speaker 2 3:10

Well , I guess here is a BDBD exclusive .

Speaker 1 3:12

Yeah there you go , go on . How are we related , hannah ?

Speaker 2 3:15

How are we related ? We are related via marriage . So Davey is my stepfather , he married my mum , married my mum and my mum . Uh , before marrying my stepfather Davey here , hello . Uh , was married to someone else , had me hello , and that is how I came to be . And then , when I was six , you entered the chat yes and never left . Basically , um , yeah , I feel like that puts it as plainly yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1 3:44

Yeah , I think that's pretty much .

Speaker 2 3:47

I mean , there was some love bonding there was yeah , there was yeah , yeah , yeah . But how we came to be . But yes , you are , so we're not related by blood by blood by blood . But we are related in marriage , I guess yeah legally . Legally we're related yeah so yeah , we don't share .

Speaker 1 4:07

So yeah , all of my ailments I can't blame you for although I would say that I used to be covered in your DNA because you , when you used to go in the shower and then you used to molt and your hair would be everywhere , I would be covered in your hair after coming out of the shower .

Speaker 2 4:21

I wondered where you were going with that yeah hair .

Speaker 1 4:22

After coming out of the shower , I wondered where you were going with that yeah , because understood you did um quite and I still do it is my party confetti . Yeah , you know if hannah's been you know if I've been ginger hair everywhere yeah , I don't know why I molt so much mom does as well , though yeah , well , maybe that's in our dna .

Speaker 2 4:38

That could be inherited .

Speaker 1 4:39

It could be why ? Yes , your mom's hair does get absolutely everywhere . So yeah , um we .

Speaker 2 4:44

We are bonus dad , bonus daughter and the reason we're called bonus dad , bonus daughter . Sorry , going back to where I actually began , originally , I'm his bonus daughter . He married my mum . I'm a bonus , yeah .

Speaker 1 4:56

The best bonus as well . Aw , there you are , that's sweet .

Speaker 2 4:59

Not Archie , no , yeah , archie as well . Yeah , archie , no , yeah , yeah , archie as well . Yeah , archie's my fairy brother . Not a brother that's into fairy , he is a dog , um , yeah , so , uh , yeah , archie , um , and I am um , uh , I guess , as it stands , technically , I'm an only child . Yeah , you are . I'm only child , and in in the sense that , um , yeah , I have step siblings , um on my dad's side , but , um , but , yeah , I am .

Speaker 1 5:22

I am an only child um , yeah , I am an only child . Yeah , I'm theoretically an only child as well .

Speaker 2 5:27

Yeah , you are theoretically , but you've got some half siblings .

Speaker 1 5:30

I've got half brothers and half sisters .

Speaker 2 5:31

I don't know how that works with the old . What does only child mean ? I guess ?

Speaker 1 5:35

Yeah , that is a good question , because I don't deem any of my brothers and sisters as being half brothers , and sisters .

Speaker 2 5:48

No , they're just your brothers and sisters as being half brothers and sisters .

Speaker 1 5:50

No , they're just your , they're my brothers and sisters . Yeah , and I love them all absolutely dearly , but you actually do share dna with them . I do share a form of dna , whereas I don't , which was very interesting when we did uh , because my brother , anthony , has also done , because I've done a dna test , yes , and we did trace my ancestry how did you do your dna test ?

Speaker 2 6:02

like how did , how , by , via what method ? Like is it blood sample ?

Speaker 2 6:05

no , it was literally just spitting into a tube , oh so kind of like , um yeah , yeah spitting into tube , sent it off to uh , ancestry dna and it came back and it gave me a kind of blueprint across the world of where my ancestors all come from so I kind of compared it with my brothers , just as a yeah , yeah , just as a kind of you'd hope it'd say the same no , I mean obviously the hub did came up on the on the father side , exactly the same yeah but on on the maternal side it was slightly different .

Speaker 1 6:38

I think one of the most noticeable differences is that my brother , um which I , has got um uh african dna . Oh yeah , I think it's one percent african random and there's no kind of , there's no african in mine oh , okay , so that's from my side . Yeah , yeah , yeah it was , it was really really interesting .

Speaker 2 6:56

I think I want to do one , purely because I would never know past father's side . My granddad was adopted , yes , so the buck kind of stops there in terms of knowledge , of knowing who the people were .

Speaker 1 7:09

Yeah .

Speaker 2 7:09

You know , physically knowing who they are ? Yeah , and I wouldn't know what the origin of me it's when I came up with the origin of me , but I'm assuming Irish myself .

Speaker 1 7:18

Yeah , I've got a lot of Irish qualities .

Speaker 2 7:20

Yeah , I mean , mine is mine's very heavily irish yeah , yeah , but then I know you do have the same ancestors , yeah I know that .

Speaker 1 7:28

Anyway , I've always known that my family have been related .

Speaker 2 7:31

I promise it won't sound initially , but bear with me yeah I was watching um a comedian on um instagram just coming up on instagram reels , and it was about him saying that he was from cork oh and an audience member goes woo , like that .

Speaker 2 7:45

And he goes , oh , you're from Cork too . And then he goes , oh , you know , like whereabouts did you live ? And it was like a street , like a couple of way from here , and he was like what's your last name ? And then he stops and he's like this is the most Irish conversation ever . He said the last name , he , or something like that , and knew exactly who she was , just because they were both from . Yeah .

Speaker 1 8:03

it was like , yeah , very cool yeah , he said this is the most irish conversation you could possibly have . Yeah , yeah , yeah , my , um , my family come from on , so obviously you get four grandparents , don't you ? So , yeah , you know four grandpas . So we got back . So , on , my uh , on my dad's side , so my grandmother is all Irish on her side came back from which I discovered through doing the Ancestry , I discovered quite a sad story .

Speaker 2 8:34

Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1 8:36

Actually to do with my grandmother and the fact that she was a twin .

Speaker 2 8:39

Yeah .

Speaker 1 8:41

And the other twin died during childbirth when they came across from Ireland .

Speaker 2 8:46

Yeah .

Speaker 1 8:46

And she was very young , but also on my maternal grandmother's side , because they're Irish as well . There was also a twin in that family .

Speaker 2 8:59

Oh , you've got twins in your bones , so I've got twins on both sides of the family there . So if you'd had had a biological child , children , there is a chance . There's a very high chance that you could have had twins . Oh wait , no , no , no , because it's been more the maternal , maternal side . Just ignore that .

Speaker 1 9:13

Yeah , exactly yeah so yeah , I mean a lot , but once we'll come on to the whole ancestry DNA thing later on around , because mine was incredibly interesting , yeah , some of which I knew already , but then when looking at it and seeing it there and and with the family tree and everything it it was , yeah , it is and you get sucked in how much was the test it wasn't very . I think your mum bought it for me . I think it was over 100 feeling under 200 it's about 70 quid .

Speaker 1 9:42

I'll have to ask your mum and she'll have to Fact checker .

Speaker 2 9:47

Yeah , yeah , yeah Cool .

Speaker 1 9:49

But let's talk a little bit about DNA what it is and then how it kind of yeah . So what is DNA ? What's it stand for ? What is it it's essentially is the blueprint of life it is . It carries genetic information from ancestors . It's what you're , you're made up of . I mean , we could get into the whole philosophical debate about nature , nurture all of that and what's plumbed into our DNA .

Speaker 2 10:16

But it has ? It tells your cells what to build , doesn't it ? It does . That's the main .

Speaker 1 10:20

Yeah , it . Basically it's the building blocks of you is what DNA is . It's what you're made up of .

Speaker 2 10:28

Yes , yeah .

Speaker 1 10:29

Yeah , DNA testing as well . Not only is it useful for checking your own family tree , your own history , your own ancestry and the like , but also it has revolutionised crime solving as well .

Speaker 2 10:41

Yes , because of , yeah , forensics .

Speaker 1 10:43

Forensics , yeah , forensics and DNA testing .

Speaker 2 10:46

Do you know what DNA stands for ? That's what I was just Googling .

Speaker 1 10:51

Dicocinidinatric , something like that . You ready .

Speaker 2 10:53

Go on Deoxyribonucleic . Deoxyribonucleic .

Speaker 1 11:02

There you are .

Speaker 2 11:03

Acid .

Speaker 1 11:05

Acid yeah , it's an acid .

Speaker 2 11:06

Where's the N come from ? Oh , the .

Speaker 1 11:08

Nycloctic .

Speaker 2 11:09

The bon Bon , the bonucleic , the bonucleic , you would put B , wouldn't you DBA ?

Speaker 1 11:16

Yeah .

Speaker 2 11:17

Maybe that's already something . Dba radio Dab .

Speaker 1 11:22

So there are four

What is DNA and Testing Methods

Speaker 1 11:24

types of DNA tests . So there are four types of DNA tests . There's autosomal DNA , which covers both maternal and paternal sides , and that's best for finding close relatives up to five to seven generations Cripes , which I assume .

Speaker 2 11:36

That's the test that I've done .

Speaker 1 11:37

Yeah , that's the test that I've done . You've got the Y DNA is passed down from father to son and that's useful for tracing surname lines . Mitochondrial DNA that's passed from mother to all children to be tested traces deep maternal ancestry . Then you've got the haplogroups , and that's what they are and how they show migration patterns of ancient ancestors .

Speaker 2 12:01

That's very cool .

Speaker 1 12:02

Now . So I've got that as well . So I've got . You can see where I'm saying about different parts of the world where my ancestors have all come from . Mine's very Scandinavian , and do you know what ? I wasn't surprised by that .

Speaker 2 12:16

No , you look very Scandinavian .

Speaker 1 12:18

Yeah , I wasn't surprised . I don't know how to say that in a politically correct way .

Speaker 2 12:22

But yeah , you do .

Speaker 1 12:25

Even Hillary when it came out she went .

Speaker 2 12:28

Well , I'm not surprised by that . Yeah , you look like a viking . Yeah , blonde hair blue eyes .

Speaker 1 12:31

In fact , my 10th great-grandmother I don't know if I said this before her name was elizabeth olaf's daughter , and it was spelt daughter , as in olaf from iceland ah , well , there you go , yeah there you go um . So yeah , so , very , very so , my ancestors are very viking , viking and yes , what am I now ?

Speaker 2 12:48

The best mix ?

Speaker 1 12:49

The best mix . The best mix . So DNA testing also can confirm traditional genealogy research , such as proving or disproving records . Again , like you said , if we were to have a father-daughter test , I would come out 0% . Your father , yeah , yeah . We assume , yeah , but at the same time I am your father .

Speaker 2 13:12

Yeah , yeah , we assume , but at the same time , I am your father . Yes , I am your father . Yeah uh , a father to us means something different in the uh , in in the biological sense , I guess it does yeah , it's uh , we colloquially use it .

Speaker 1 13:24

Yes , indeed , indeed , it can help . Now , though , when I said about my when I did my ancestry now , uh , obviously irish politics is very difficult . I'm not going to get into it in any way , shape or form , but I can only trace my family tree back in Ireland to a certain point .

Speaker 2 13:47

Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1 13:47

Yeah , because of what happened in Cork .

Speaker 2 13:50

Yeah .

Speaker 1 13:51

In the um early 1900s .

Speaker 2 13:54

Yeah .

Speaker 1 13:54

Because a lot of the records were destroyed and that's why I can't actually trace further back from that point . Damn , because the records . You've got to think about that when they destroyed records , yeah , the records don't exist anymore because of the People don't think about that when they destroy records , do they ? The records don't exist anymore because there was a big yeah .

Speaker 2 14:09

they burnt a lot of records in court in the early 1900s .

Speaker 1 14:13

But the ancestral DNA has helped determine , although I haven't got the records of the people where to show that I was from that part of the world , so it kind of helps break through those paper records . It can help connect people with distant relatives and unknown branches of the family , which I can guarantee , which I can say for definite yes as well , because I have discovered I've got cousins and all sorts of the yin yang .

Speaker 1 14:38

You've got family everywhere . I've got family Absolutely . I've got family in Australia as well . Yeah , absolutely everywhere . My family's huge . Well , all of our families are huge because we're all we will , all there are connecting family trees and the like .

Speaker 2 14:52

Yeah , yeah , I'd be kind of interested in mine , considering I also have a stop in my history , but a lot sooner than your stop .

Speaker 1 15:01

Yeah .

Speaker 2 15:02

I'd be interested to know what mine comes out with as well . Do you think about ?

Speaker 1 15:05

doing it .

Speaker 2 15:11

I have thought about doing it , yeah , only because you are so interested in it . That also kind of like oh , that makes you , makes you think about your own . But um , yeah , yeah it's if mum did one , that would really help me out , because then I'd least to have half the story yeah , that's true .

Speaker 1 15:20

That's true . Yeah , what I found funny about mine because you know , when you , when you do these sort of we must admit if you ever do a DNA test , you know the first things that you're going to be thinking about is am I related to anyone famous ?

Speaker 2 15:37

Yeah .

Speaker 1 15:38

That will probably be top of the list , but there's going to be one of your interested points , isn't it ?

Speaker 2 15:43

Yeah , who are you related ?

Speaker 1 15:44

to oh God points , isn't it ? Yeah , who are you related to ? Oh god ? So the first name that came up when uh , so there's , there's three people within my family tree , who are fairly famous okay , okay okay , the first one that came up was a lady in north america by the name of lizzie borden , so I'm a cousin to lizzie borden , who's lizzie borden , so lizzie borden , okay I'll put a picture up , when I was a child , we used to have a .

Speaker 1 16:13

There used to be a rhyme that we but the kids used to sing okay and the rhyme is lizzie borden took an axe and gave her father 40 whacks . When the deed was all undone , she gave her mother 41 . Lizzie Borden killed her parents .

Speaker 2 16:29

So she's actually infamous , not famous .

Speaker 1 16:32

She's infamous . She is infamous . She literally killed her parents with an axe . She murdered them , but she got away with it . It was in the 1800s . She got away with it because she did it when she was naked , so there was no blood tracing Before DNA testing , all of that . And she got away with it because she did it when she was naked , so there was no blood tracing before DNA testing , all of that . And she got away with it .

Speaker 2 16:50

How old was she when she did it ?

Speaker 1 16:53

I can't remember .

Speaker 2 16:55

It begs the question of what would have to have been so bad to influence that decision .

Speaker 1 17:02

I'm related to an infamous axe murderer .

Speaker 2 17:06

Yeah , but also . Bodes well for me , because I'm your daughter and you've only got one parent left .

Speaker 1 17:12

Yeah , exactly , you've got to follow suit , yeah .

Speaker 2 17:15

It's okay .

Speaker 1 17:16

But the next name that I found was Marilyn Monroe .

Speaker 2 17:18

Now , that is pretty cool . I'm 10th cousin to Marilyn Monroe of my ancestry that is so cool and Winston Churchill . And Winston Churchill yeah and Winston Churchill and Winston Churchill yeah so that means Marilyn Monroe and Winston Churchill were related ?

Speaker 1 17:28

yeah , and also related to Lizzie Borden . It's on the same same tree . Wow , yeah , I mean that , yeah 10th cousin to Marilyn Monroe .

Speaker 2 17:36

Did Marilyn Monroe have any children ? She liked the aunt ? No , I don't think so . I don't think she did . Did she Norma Jean right ?

Speaker 1 17:43

yeah , norma Jean , yeah , so , norma Jean , right . Yeah , norma Jean , yeah , so yeah , but the first name that came up was Lizzie Borden and I was , like typical , an axe murderer .

Speaker 2 17:53

Maybe I won't put a picture up , I just say , oh , I'll put a picture up , it'll be a good one , it'll be a headshot .

Speaker 1 18:01

There are pictures of . There are some pictures of Lizzie Borden .

Speaker 2 18:04

Okay , not of her with the axe of just yeah , I'm just yeah .

Speaker 1 18:08

first let me take a selfie but the funny thing , the funny thing is , it was like when I was , because obviously you know that when I was growing up I was into horror , I was into all that and there was a few stories start to make sense , to be honest and there were a few stories about , you know , in in the media , not in the media , sorry . Like in , like ghost stories , like the ghost of lizzie borden coming back and like like early super , not like in supernatural yeah , yeah , those type of shows , yeah from like the 80s and she was quite famous , yes , murder .

Speaker 2 18:37

And then I've never heard about that yeah and uh .

Speaker 1 18:39

When I found out I was related to her , I was like oh really checks out .

Speaker 2 18:45

Yeah , I really want to do it now yeah , it is really , really my birthday's coming up , if you fancy .

Speaker 1 18:51

Well , actually , yeah , no , if it's something that you , I am really intrigued like I am genuinely .

Speaker 2 18:57

Yeah , I should do it . I should do it for the content . Yeah , no , by all means . Yeah for the podcast yeah , we could do it as a supplementary episode because august is around our bd bd's podcast birthday .

Speaker 1 19:09

I could do it as a yeah , so let me just have a little , so lizzie if it's , if it's like well over .

Speaker 2 19:13

Oh , I thought you're looking at the price . Uh , I was gonna say , if it's well over like 200 , she's my eighth cousin , so lizzie a borden is my eighth cousin .

Speaker 1 19:22

That is a . Uh .

Speaker 2 19:23

That's a picture of lizzie borden oh , I don't don't know why , but I thought she'd look more unhinged , but she looks very normal .

Speaker 1 19:28

She looks normal . She was born in 1860 and she died in 1927 . So there you go . Wow , yeah , there you go .

Ancestry Results and Famous Relatives

Speaker 1 19:37

And Marilyn Monroe .

Speaker 2 19:40

I know what she looks like .

Speaker 1 19:42

Marilyn Monroe . She was my 10th cousin 10th cousin . Yeah , she was my 10th cousin .

Speaker 2 19:48

Just because time kind of escapes me a little bit , Winston Churchill and Marilyn Monroe not around at the same time , right ?

Speaker 1 19:55

They would have been .

Speaker 2 19:56

Or would they ? Yeah , they would have been . Would they have been ? Yeah , they would have been .

Speaker 1 19:59

Yeah , yeah , there you go . Okay , but there are . So , when it comes to DNA testing , obviously it can go wrong , can't it ? Because it can discover secrets in families .

Speaker 2 20:09

Oh yes , it can go wrong . I thought , you meant like you know it could .

Speaker 1 20:12

No , because can you imagine if you were to get a unexpected result , Like , for instance , if you grew up and you thought and I always thought that you were my biological child ?

Speaker 2 20:23

Yeah .

Speaker 1 20:23

And then we were to get a DNA test just through jollies .

Speaker 2 20:26

Yeah . And then child yeah , and then we were to get a dna test just through jollies yeah , and then we discovered we weren't actually related .

Speaker 1 20:31

Yeah , we weren't actually related . That could cause ructions in the family it could , it could .

Speaker 2 20:34

I also think . That is just so . Jeremy kyle , I don't even know if jeremy kyle's a thing I find those programs disgusting is it on telly anymore ? No , it's if you don't know what jeremy kyle is . It's very similar in the us jerry spring , carl is .

Speaker 1 20:46

It's very similar in the US .

Speaker 2 20:47

Jerry Springer , Jerry Springer right . Yes , it's very similar , Like , basically , people go on the show to discuss , I guess , a tiff , I don't know how a domestic issue I don't even know how to describe it really , yeah , no , that does . And then they'll either have like someone's stolen something from someone , someone's had a baby and doesn't know if it's like who's the father situation , or what have you and like , yeah , and proving innocence or proving guilt , like that's what the show is based on .

Speaker 1 21:17

Lie detector tests dna results .

Speaker 2 21:18

That's it . There's dna and lie detector right yeah and sometimes that lie detector like people were like absolutely 100 . No , I didn't do this .

Speaker 1 21:27

Yes , I did do this or whatever like yeah crazy so weird show it is a very , very weird show , a very weird . Yeah , I think that that type of but that could cause problems within families , um , but there's also the concern about privacy as well , isn't there ? You think about how ? Because I mean my dna , essentially , is on file . Yeah , my dna is on file , so , theoretically , I've never been tested by the police for dna no no , but my dna is on file , so the police could gain access .

Speaker 1 22:00

Could they and this is a question could they gain access to get my dna from that company to have it on their records ?

Speaker 2 22:07

Well , maybe , but my counter argument to that is don't do anything that requires them to investigate your DNA .

Speaker 1 22:15

So that's a moot point , because you could also argue as well that DNA testing could prove your innocence , exactly , exactly .

Speaker 2 22:23

I can't see anything wrong with that type of data being out there , especially if you're not a criminal , because what have you got to hide ? Would be my argument there .

Speaker 1 22:33

But what if somebody falsified DNA ?

Speaker 2 22:37

See , that's the problem , isn't ?

Speaker 1 22:38

it Having that DNA .

Speaker 2 22:40

I think there is probably ways that you could prove it was you by doing another DNA test and proving the results , I guess . But I mean , I guess it's possible , isn't it ? People can falsify all sorts of things .

Speaker 1 22:51

There are records of deep fakes . Essentially Deep fake . Dna is what I'm talking about .

Speaker 2 22:55

Yeah , I don't really have a problem with that In terms of privacy . What I thought you were going to say like with my granddad being adopted . I guess what that means is the privacy I mean . My granddad's an old guy , so they're likely to also be dead . Very likely that his mum is no longer here because Natalie Cross isn't here anymore , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2 23:17

But I'm assuming that in some where was I going with this ? Like if , if , if you were alive , if the family were alive , and you went and did an ancestry test and then realized who your actual parent was ? Yeah that , that . But they may have put someone up for adoption for other reasons , you know like yes like they have also the right to not be found .

Speaker 1 23:41

Does that make sense ? That's true . Do you know what I'm trying to say ? I'm really struggling to put it into words . I know what you're saying . So there are cases as well whereby somebody may have given birth , but then that child is brought up as the mother's sister or brother .

Speaker 2 23:55

Yes , exactly .

Speaker 1 23:57

Because of a number of reasons . Yeah , and that uncovers some either really ugly truth or yeah , yeah I mean , I must admit , as I say , I've doing my dna and doing my ancestry . There are certain things that I've worked out . Yeah , just just through dates yeah just just through dates and also through stories yeah , and just through , just through , which I won't go into because some is incredibly private , but yeah , just just through dates , but also through certain political things going on in the world , the movement of people at that time very cryptic here , yeah but I worked something out pretty quickly .

Speaker 1 24:35

It was like oh , that's why ?

Speaker 2 24:37

oh yeah , yeah , that's why . And it stared me straight in the face . As to why that makes sense . Yeah , exactly , yeah , yeah , that's , that is crazy .

Speaker 1 24:46

It makes me want to do it more yeah , it's you uncover all sorts I want to know absolutely all sorts , yeah , but there are some success stories as well , you know , because you could say that dna . There have been cases where dna has reunited families separated by adoption , war or migration . Oh there you go , talk that one up , I mean back in . I mean , can you remember Cilla Black ? I do Surprise , surprise . She used to have like a good will story , like at the end , where you haven't seen your sister or your brother , or this is a long lost brother you never knew you had . Oh , I only know her from Blind Date . All of long lost brother you never knew you had . I know from blind date all of that . And I mean they didn't have dns , dna testing at the time , but you could throw dna testing into that to solidify the fact that they were long lost brothers or sisters or family mad yeah , mad yes .

Speaker 1 25:31

And of course , then you've got the surprising revelations , such as such as kindness , almost what I had to agree with some of it . It's like oh , didn't know that . Oh . I see that's come up when I do declare .

Speaker 2 25:44

When I do declare , yeah yeah , really .

Speaker 1 25:47

And then of course we do it , like we've already said . The role of DNA in catching criminals yeah , especially like in high profile murder cases . Sometimes that could be the clinching evidence , yeah , yeah , in convicting somebody . Any crime really Don't you come out , we're going to do . I did write an episode on Jack the Ripper .

Speaker 2 26:03

Yeah , you did . Were we going to bin that or not ? We keep kind of thinking about it .

Speaker 1 26:08

Maybe you should tell us .

Speaker 2 26:09

Do you want to hear an episode on Jack the Ripper ?

Speaker 1 26:11

And I was going to talk about the actual case itself , but also then the investigation side of it and all the challenges . And I was going to mention DNA obviously in that , because if they had DNA testing back then would we have caught Jack the Ripper ?

Speaker 2 26:24

Probably . I hear there was a lot of DNA .

Speaker 1 26:26

There was a lot of DNA Scattered about there was a lot of DNA scattered about in all of the , in all of the murders um . But I think that's that's a really interesting question , really really interesting question .

Speaker 2 26:36

Tell us if you want a Jack the Ripper episode . Yes , please do tell us .

Speaker 1 26:38

If you want a jack the ripper episode , yes please do tell us if you want an episode on jack the ripper and how they investigated that case . Boom boom but yeah , the process is that I went , so you are really interested in having your dna tested yeah , there's a part of me that is yeah yeah yeah , it'd be cool to know , I guess it's just what do you do with it afterwards ?

Speaker 1 26:58

well , the thing is I mean I trace my family tree so I've got , but the thing is the one that I did it on it also linked through to other relatives that I already had on there and linked through to their family tree . So a lot of the work had already been done . It just linked through and then built up a bigger database right , which is how I discovered that I'm related to lizzie Borden , marilyn Monroe and Winston Churchill .

Speaker 2 27:22

So the DNA test just tells you where you're from , but doesn't produce a family tree until others join that thing .

Speaker 1 27:31

It can do , because you'll be connected to that person , so you could be slotted straight into that family tree . Right , right , because it does tell you where you

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Speaker 1 27:40

are from . So I am . My dna's breakdown is english , northwestern europe , irish , uh , a little bit scottish in there , and the rest is norway , denmark and sweden yeah , yeah , scandinavia scandinavian that that's my DNA breakdown , so I am very North European .

Speaker 2 28:01

Yeah .

Speaker 1 28:01

Yeah .

Speaker 2 28:02

You have not strayed from that time block .

Speaker 1 28:04

No , no , very , very North European that is my DNA ?

Speaker 2 28:09

Yeah , I'd be interested to know . Yeah , yeah , I don't know . I'd make the wild assumption that I'd be very similar , if not the same . Just looking at your hair alone , I would say it's definitely irish , isn't ? It well irish , scottish , celtic yeah , very , very celtic , very much so yeah , blue head and blue head , but no one else has ginger hair , as in , ginger are a dying breed on the father side .

Speaker 1 28:33

Yeah , just me gingers are supposed to be a dying breed you know , it's a recessive gene , isn't it a ? Recessive gene . Yeah , yeah , which is sad . Yeah , did you actually ? Did you know there was that event not that long ago , wasn't there ? We love ginger days , but essentially it's like national ginger day and it's in Ireland , is it ? It's based in Ireland all of the gingers .

Speaker 2 28:55

Yeah , we're basically Don't get us together , yeah . Well , there's not one soul between you , soulless bunch . Yeah , that'd be the most drab party ever . There ain't no soul here , which is ironic . Because , don't you think ? Because ? Ireland being such a Catholic country and then gingers not having souls . It's quite funny that there's such a . From such a biblical grounds come soulless people . Maybe that says a lot about religion , I'm not sure . Let's not go on a religious rampage , though you mentioned religion I did , I did you mentioned religion , not me that time .

Speaker 1 29:33

Uh , what I did read the other day , though , which was which I found interesting , we're going to talk and again , this is a I know this is a very , very , very sensitive subject . We like to keep things light , so I'm going to be . You know , we're not going to go too much into this I'm surprised .

Speaker 2 29:47

I don't know where you're going with this .

Speaker 1 29:48

But one thing that I have noticed about the dna testing , just in general , is immigration in the fact that , in the fact that you're not from one place , it's as simple as that you're not from .

Speaker 2 30:00

You are from lots of different .

Speaker 1 30:01

I mean , I'm very northern european , sure I mean mine's very small but , like I said earlier on my brother , there's a percentage of him that's african . Yeah , you know , and I'm sure if everybody actually did their dna and tested their own , they would realize you're not just , we're all the not just same , aren't we ? We're all from all over the show and , as I said , like we all bleed and laugh the same way we do indeed .

Speaker 1 30:23

And , like I said , everyone with blue eyes has one common ancestor . Yeah , you know , and that's all across the world .

Speaker 2 30:29

We're related .

Speaker 1 30:30

We're related , we are . So yeah , there you go , An interesting thought for me .

Speaker 2 30:34

Do you ever wonder what if you and mum had a baby , what that baby would look like ?

Speaker 1 30:38

Be good looking .

Speaker 2 30:41

You're both attractive people , to be fair . What with this nose ? Mum's nose isn't big , though , so that would just be a lorry .

Speaker 1 30:49

That would cancel out , would it ?

Speaker 2 30:50

Mum does have blue eyes , so they would be blue eyed .

Speaker 1 30:53

I would imagine they would be blue eyed , you could do it on AI , can't you ?

Speaker 2 30:57

Can you do it ? I'm interested to know . Yeah , you can do it on AI , if you're comfortable with doing that , obviously .

Speaker 1 31:02

Yeah , to see what they would look like .

Speaker 2 31:04

Do you think they'd be beardy ?

Speaker 1 31:05

Do you know what actually ? Do you know what they're thinking about ? That what ? Because there is that AI program , isn't there , child ? That you can plumb that into AI and it will show what they will look like as they get older . I might do that with you Me as in take a photograph or get a photograph of you when you were really young , oh , and see if it and see what it comes out . As to see if it comes out looking like anything like you now , that would be that would be interesting , just to see how accurate it would be , but I also don't want to see what I look like too old Please .

Speaker 1 31:42

Can you remember when we did those photographs where you can , where you change genders ?

Speaker 2 31:47

Yes , can you remember those ? I looked identical to my father , didn't ?

Speaker 1 31:49

I , you did . Yeah , I looked hot .

Speaker 2 31:54

I think Peach looked the best .

Speaker 1 31:56

Oh , Peach looked amazing , didn't he ?

Speaker 2 31:58

Girl .

Speaker 1 31:58

Peach Girl . Oh , peach , looked amazing , didn't he ? His is girl peach , girl peach . I would oh bless him . That was so funny I would , yeah , sorry , peach peach , I'm so sorry , but I would dear god , dear god . But yeah , I was um moving on swiftly so yeah , just to kind of finish off a little bit on the uh , on the whole family tree thing , but I found it incredibly interesting , really really interesting . One thing that I did notice is that so my last name okay , wahalas , wahalas changed throughout the years .

Speaker 2 32:53

Yes , wheels , wasn't it ?

Speaker 1 32:55

Wheels Because people can't spell . People couldn't write Pip couldn't spell . People couldn't spell . People couldn't when they were writing spell People couldn't spell . People . They couldn't when they were writing on the last name on the birth certificate . It probably had something to do with the accent Wheels , wheels , but they were . Yeah , my name changed , don't mind , do you ?

Speaker 2 33:11

And it changed on numerous occasions .

Speaker 1 33:13

It went from Wheels to Wyatt , to Wales , to Wales , to Wahalas , wahalas .

Speaker 2 33:22

Wahalas , wahalas . I say wahalas because I just think it's funny I don't think anyone actually ever called you wahalas . No , just like no one would have called me cruised . No , but yeah should we be saying our last names on the podcast probably ? Not probably not . Should we bleep that ?

Speaker 1 33:31

out , yeah , probably oops yeah , oopsie . So I think what we've kind of established in that is that it but it does get . It does get addictive . Looking at your family tree .

Speaker 2 33:44

Yeah .

Speaker 1 33:45

I sunk hours into it , sunk Just hours and hours and hours of looking at them . But I think , yeah , I think we'll get . We'll get you one for your birthday , if you fancy it .

Speaker 2 33:56

I am intrigued . I mean , if they're really expensive , like don't bother , but yeah , I don't know . I'm intrigued , but also not enough to spend money on it . You know , I wish it was a bit more affordable . I don't think it's that expensive , okay .

Speaker 1 34:09

I really don't .

Speaker 2 34:10

Let's just have a have a gander let's have a little look just in case any of our listeners watchers would like to have a DNA test .

Speaker 1 34:20

There's different companies as well .

Speaker 2 34:22

I've heard of 23andMe .

Speaker 1 34:24

Yeah , I mean my DNA , the world , the different areas of the world where I'm from . The percentages constantly change and that's because of the countries don't change but the percentages often change and a lot of that is down to just because it's only can go on the data that it's got , so the more people that do it , the more accurate the date is going to be yeah , yeah , I understand so yeah I am , I think , the most the thing for me .

Speaker 2 34:53

I think I would like to know oh , that's not too bad 80 quid um , the thing I think I'd like to know the most is I don't know if it can do this , so

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Speaker 2 35:03

I might just be barking up the wrong tree entirely , but it would be quite good to know if , in terms of inheriting illnesses , health it does tell you that because obviously I'm not well yeah and and I and I wonder , because I I now can't ask my paternal grandmother any issues that she had gynecologically . It's interesting to me to know if I don't know , if there's ways of knowing , if there's hereditary illnesses .

Speaker 2 35:29

I don't know if it gives you that information or not .

Speaker 1 35:31

It can do .

Speaker 2 35:33

You're at risk of heart disease . It's just like stuff like that that would be quite useful to know , I guess . Yeah , I mean .

Speaker 1 35:39

I think it does . It comes up with traits .

Speaker 2 35:42

Because it's not a blood test , but maybe your DNA could tell you if you were more susceptible to certain things and then you could avoid it Like if you were heart disease . You'd maybe be a bit more lean .

Speaker 1 35:55

Yeah .

Speaker 2 35:55

Do you know what I mean ? Yeah , I'm generalising , but yeah , there are .

Speaker 1 35:59

I mean there are . There's a section on here where , if I was to pay a little bit more money , it would send me all my . Like this , there's 75 other traits about which will be within my dna , which would include medical stuff as well right , yeah , um it's given me the basic ones , uh and I find this is so these .

Speaker 2 36:16

It's given me five traits that I've got in the dna .

Speaker 1 36:19

Yeah , and tell me if you think this is true , Okay , yeah okay . So I think this is true of me . So there's how determined I am , okay . Okay , is it a percentage ? Not a percentage , it's on a scale .

Speaker 2 36:30

Oh , okay .

Speaker 1 36:30

So , as you can see , it says that , as far as determination , you can't get more determined than me . I'm the highest level of determination , right . I'm the highest level of determination , Basically once .

Speaker 2 36:44

I set my mind to something , I'm incredibly determined . What do you think ? I guess yes . In truth , I don't really see you in many settings where determination is the key element .

Speaker 1 36:52

Does that make sense ? I don't see you at work .

Speaker 2 36:54

I don't see you achieving a goal that sounds awful .

Speaker 1 36:57

I know what you mean .

Speaker 2 36:58

I don't see you in those settings .

Speaker 1 37:00

But I awful I know what you mean .

Speaker 2 37:00

I don't see you in those settings . Yeah For me to , but I would say yeah . I wouldn't say that you're not determined , yeah .

Speaker 1 37:05

So my heart rate recovery is average . I yeah .

Speaker 2 37:09

I assume you're okay .

Speaker 1 37:10

That's just average , but it's not as in fast . No , I don't . My heart it tells me if I'm a morning or a night person .

Speaker 2 37:18

You're obviously a night person 100% .

Speaker 1 37:20

Yeah , yeah , all the way over the night person , if that didn't say night person , it's wrong . Yeah , exactly , physical strength . I'm physically strong , naturally strong , not stronger than average .

Speaker 2 37:30

But oh , stronger than average , but not the strongest .

Speaker 1 37:33

Not the strongest . Okay , I'm three quarters up there . And this is Physical strength , physical strength , physical strength and taking naps . I am less likely to take naps . I'm not a nap taker .

Speaker 2 37:43

If mine doesn't say the most , it's lying . If I do my test and it says , oh no , you're not a napper , I'll be , like well , I am .

Speaker 1 37:50

Yeah , but yeah , there's other things that it can check . Yeah , wow .

Speaker 2 37:57

Wow .

Speaker 1 37:57

Owen Wilson .

Speaker 2 37:59

So yeah , very cool .

Speaker 1 38:00

There you have it .

Speaker 2 38:01

And where can people do this ? Have we got a little list ? Yes , we do Ancestry DNA 23andMe , MyHeritage FamilyTreeDNA and LivingDNA . I'm sure if you plug one of them into your smart Google phone , jabba , jabba , jabba , you'll find it .

Speaker 1 38:14

Yeah .

Speaker 2 38:15

And if you want to do something like this , likewise if you enjoyed this episode , we have plenty more in the bank for you to watch and listen More to listen than watch . But yeah , why do I always fumble ? I always fumble . The catch Always , always . I'm at the end . I literally top and tail this every single session and I can never come up with something cool to say so . Cue the outro . Thanks for joining us on Bonus dad , bonus daughter . Don't forget to follow us on all our socials and share the podcast with someone who'd love it . We are available on all streaming platforms . See you next time . Bye , outro Music .