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Welcome to "Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter," a heartwarming and insightful podcast celebrating the unique bond between a stepfather Davey, and his stepdaughter Hannah.
Join them as they explore the joys, challenges, and everyday moments that make this relationship special.
Each episode they take a topic and discuss the differences, similarities and the effect each one had one them
Featuring candid conversations, personal stories, and many laughs
Whether you're a step-parent, stepchild, or simply interested in family dynamics, "Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter" offers a fresh perspective on love, family, and the bonds that unite us.
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Beyond Belief: Decoding UFO Phenomena from Ancient Times to Modern Day
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We explore the fascinating world of Unidentified Flying Objects, from ancient historical sightings to modern government investigations, while examining what these mysterious phenomena might actually be.
• Earliest recorded UFO sighting dates back to 4th century BC when Greek historian Plutarch described a "flaming spear" in the sky
• The 1561 Nuremberg event where multiple witnesses reported strange objects engaged in what appeared to be a "celestial battle"
• Ancient religious art in the Vatican depicts disc-shaped objects hovering above scenes
• The 1947 Roswell incident marks the beginning of modern UFO interest, with disputed claims about what actually crashed
• Modern sightings include the 2004 "Tic Tac" UFO observed by Navy pilots and the Phoenix Lights in Arizona
• The US government has acknowledged investigating over 140 unexplained aerial phenomena in recent years
• Most likely explanations include advanced technology from other countries, atmospheric illusions, psychological phenomena, or natural events
• Interstellar comet 3I Atlas is currently passing through our solar system, generating both scientific interest and conspiracy theories
• Davey's upcoming gig announcement with Jay and Phoebe supporting
• Hannah shares her recent medical procedure experience and trip to Pleasurewood Hills
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Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad. Bonus Daughter a special father-daughter podcast with me Hannah and me, davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories. Within our ever-changing and complex world, Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view and influences throughout the decades, or you could choose one by contacting us via email, Instagram, Facebook or TikTok Links in bio. Oh my God, that was a good start.
Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter. The reason we're laughing is because this will be edited out, that first bit but it's because father forgot to do the clap, which helps me in post-editing. And I was looking at him and we always and I always look at him ready for that clap and he just didn't do it. So I was just staring at him and I was like do you want to do you want to clap? Then I was like do I clap like it's normally?
Speaker 1:the clap is normally your job yeah, I know, but it's been a bit of a morning, hasn't it?
Speaker 2:I feel really discombobulated today, can you, you?
Speaker 1:tell yeah. Well, the setting up took a little bit longer than normal, because Well, I didn't help you, I was just eating my breakfast. You were eating your breakfast, but yeah, it was just a bit silly.
Speaker 2:Well, I forgot the headphones. I think I just forgot.
Speaker 1:You forgot what we were doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just forgetful, I'm just forgetful today.
Speaker 1:Oh brilliant. So we're going to do an episode today on UFOs.
Speaker 2:We're going to try, we're going to try, we're going to try and do an episode on UFOs.
Speaker 1:I wrote this episode and you messaged me, didn't you? And you said have we not already done one on UFOs? And I went no, we've done one on space and we mention it, but we don't go into much detail, we do mention it, we definitely mentioned Area 51.
Speaker 2:And that's where I think my mind went. When I think of UFOs, I think of Area 51. We've definitely spoken about that. It is 51.
Speaker 1:It is Area 51, yeah.
Speaker 2:Why did that number feel like it was insane, like it should be Area 75 or something? I don't know why. In my head I was just like it is 51, isn't?
Speaker 1:it.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, it's going to go really well today, Really really well.
Speaker 1:Should we do a life update? I just kind of do it off the cuff and I was thinking what have I done? So I wrote down three things really that I've done.
Speaker 2:Oh so, um, you actually wrote it down on my phone look, look at you not using your, not using your memory. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm 50 now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, true, true, true, memory is going, memory is going. So you've got to use the things at your disposal to help you with your memory.
Speaker 1:I have indeed I have indeed, and I've just been talking to my sister as well. She's just been messaging me. So Cute, yes to I've done. We went to brandcaster the other day did you yeah, out on the water very nice it was what, what, uh reciprocal?
Speaker 2:no, I was on a kayak, I was on a kayak.
Speaker 1:Uh, your mom was on a paddleboard. There's quite a few of us, uh, but that place is not for beginners oh, oh. Yes, I think I saw this on your instagram yeah, the tides do change very, very quickly and it can be very dangerous. I mean, we went at night, well, as it has to see the sunset as well, so, uh, yeah, so it's not. It's not a place you should go if you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 2:Right, I see, I see.
Speaker 1:So, no, nothing, not for me I wouldn't go if I were you. No fair, not, not, not with your level of expertise on the water my, my lack of expertise, your lack of expertise.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wouldn't go, but that was good fun and fear.
Speaker 1:That was really good fun, good and glad your mum did annoy me though oh, what did she? Do.
Speaker 2:Oh right, because when is this like this has become a therapy session for you?
Speaker 1:yes, it has so when I got the kayak off, I've got this stuff called smidge right, and what that does? That keeps the mozzies away. Oh, okay okay. So I got this stuff out and your mum said to me well, there's no mosquitoes or midges or anything where we're going anyway they often do go to still water yeah, they do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we went down this one channel, but it's very, very tight. But it's so tight that I couldn't even get my paddle into the water. I was using the side of the bank to go through. That's how tight it was, and when I went in there must have been there was millions of these things come flying out and I got proper attacked oh so you didn't smidge I didn't smidge, I got bit to buggery.
Speaker 2:We all did and I just looked at your mum, as I'm really and um, really, I have a question for you, um, how does that make you feel?
Speaker 1:tell me about your parents. All right, ciggy, good old freudie. Yeah, and do you know what else we did as well last weekend? Okay, we went shed shopping you already have a shed we do, but you're getting a second shed. I wanted a second shed somewhere where I could put all of my musical equipment, because, you know, I've got my decks I I am aware of this so I haven't still haven't got them out the box yet.
Speaker 1:The reason being is because I've got nowhere in the house to set them up because I thought you're chomping at the bit I am absolutely, I've got everything got the speakers, I've got the decks, I've got the music, but I've got nowhere to set them up because the room that I use to put all my musical equipment is too small. So I had this idea of building a shed outside for all of my music stuff, and also we could then do a podcast studio as well. Yes, yeah, anyway, we went shed shopping.
Speaker 2:My lounge is adequate. Your lounge is adequate.
Speaker 1:Uh, we went shed shopping and they for what they are. They're proper, expensive I think.
Speaker 2:I think there's been a rise in shed usage in recent years, since COVID, I think a lot of people use them as office spaces, massage spaces, jo, for example.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't actually necessarily call that particular model a shed, that's an outbuilding, that's more of an outbuilding. Yeah, but it's that same sort of design.
Speaker 2:Same principle, I guess. Yeah, like a mobile room outside of your house, exactly.
Speaker 1:And I needed it soundproofed as well of course. So that's going to raise the price up even more. So we decided in the end oh, that's the other thing. Then your mum said well, let's build an extension on the side of the house. So when we measured it it needed to be four metres depth. So when I actually went in the garden and had a little look, that would mean we would have about a metre left of garden. So that was out of the question.
Speaker 2:Because it's not. You have a decent sized garden for the fact that you're on an estate, but it's still not the biggest of gardens. It's not.
Speaker 1:It really isn't so we would pretty much lose all of that. So plan C is back to what I originally wanted to do ages ago, and that is a loft conversion.
Speaker 2:You're going back to the loft conversion.
Speaker 1:Going back to the staircase in, but still have that as a bit of storage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say you could still use it as storage. I reckon you could dress it up quite nicely.
Speaker 1:It's almost a six by nine metres the loft upstairs.
Speaker 2:Is it really yeah?
Speaker 1:I'd lose a little bit because of the apex.
Speaker 2:So probably be four by nine. So is the loft? Does the loft hang on? Let me rephrase this I'm struggling to sentence uh, in terms of ventilation. This is just going back to property mind, because they build new builds with the loft space and that is your vent and your house is ventilation. Three story have you got, have you allocated space in your brain for that?
Speaker 1:yes, I have, yeah yeah, cool yeah and it'll be more than adequate and we could put the podcast podcast studio up there as well studio and maybe dnd and maybe dnd exactly because how cool it would it be to be like let's play dnd in the loft like. It'll be like the loft, exactly loft exactly the loft in norwich.
Speaker 2:If, for anyone that doesn't know what the loft is, um, the loft is a nightclub in norwich, it is um and it is lgbtq plus um, uh, friendly, basically it's a great place it's, it's fantastic, it's still open I mean, I haven't been there since it is the board with the airplane, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what I'm doing for the, for the, for the audio. Um, listeners, I was just imitating a really shit plane Like a little plane and the last thing to say. Oh sorry.
Speaker 1:Do you know what else I've just started playing again After our pirate episode?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got out the mandolin.
Speaker 1:No, no, fired up Assassin's Creed Black Flag.
Speaker 2:Very nice, so I've been playing that Very nice.
Speaker 1:Sea shantying and pirating on the seas of the Caribbean. It's been great fun.
Speaker 2:Since having that pirate episode as well. What I was going to say was I have been dreaming about being on the sea, have you?
Speaker 1:really.
Speaker 2:It's really strange. I dream quite vividly. I dream between the hours of like six and eight in the morning, which I know sounds really specific. But I'm analysing my dreams currently at the moment from different exercise and I wake up around that time because I either need a wee or I have like that's when my pain sets in because the painkillers have kind of like kicked off by then, and in the morning I tend to get like a sharp pain, or now my body's just got used to waking up at that time. So that time when I fall back to sleep between six and eight, that is when the dreams happen and they are vivid. Vivid. They are out of this world, they are crazy because otherwise I sleep quite deeply.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, oh. There is one other thing I need to say as well my gosh, you've got life update. I don't have one other thing we announced jay is supporting the the the gig, so jay and phoebe is playing as well lovely.
Speaker 2:Jay. Jay and Phoebe are going to be spotless. I have been your. What are they called? I've been your ticket.
Speaker 1:You have. You've been selling a few tickets for me.
Speaker 2:I have been yeah. Is there any commission on the way?
Speaker 1:No, there isn't Because I've been doing really well. Well, you get free entry. Has that? No, you don't.
Speaker 2:I don.
Speaker 1:You can buy me a drink there if you want, I'll buy you a drink.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that'd be great, although I'm not drinking that night because it's a very important wedding the next day that I'm going to.
Speaker 1:I know that is true.
Speaker 2:So I hope you don't mind, we're not going to stay.
Speaker 1:Not at all, for obvious reasons.
Speaker 2:Well, it's going to be over at 10. No exactly, so that's quite early. Yeah, feel like I should be getting commission. Honestly, I think I have sold you at least one, two, three, four, five, six, including Mitchell, I'm including. Mitchell on this, not that I had to convince him to come, but yeah, I think I've sold, I would say, six to ten tickets for you.
Speaker 1:Well done, you're amazing.
Speaker 2:Are we getting close to how many?
Speaker 1:capacity. Well, on the date we're recording this, which is what, the 3rd of August, we're recording this episode we are a third of the tickets sold, which pretty much means we're going to sell it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you think they'll move you downstairs?
Speaker 1:No, because that will then put another 600 tickets on.
Speaker 2:That's scary, that is, yeah, you've got a lot of loving fans.
Speaker 1:I have indeed, or we have indeed you do Any life updates from you, hannah? Have you done anything this week, hannah, or did you do anything last weekend, hannah?
Speaker 2:I did two things last weekend. Let's start with the nice one.
Speaker 1:Okay, what did you do?
Speaker 2:I went to Pleasurewood Hills on Sunday, which is the local, our local, most local. I can't word either today.
Speaker 1:I can't sentence, can't word and I noticed my cup that you got me has Pleasurewood Hills on it.
Speaker 2:Yes, it does. That is the new one. So, yeah, we went to Pleasurewood Hills, which is in Suffolk. It's a rollercoaster park. The reason we were going is we don't go that often, even though it's close. It's just because, um, it's, there's just not a lot going for it there at the moment. It's a little bit run down. But what they had done is there's a big roller coaster there called wipe out and it was having a new train fitted with new seats. So we were like, oh, new coaster it feels like a new coaster, even though it's not a new coaster and a little paint job, a little cute, like it has a little queue line. Now, got, got there, it was down.
Speaker 1:Oh no.
Speaker 2:So very disappointing. I was like, oh, the whole reason we were going there was that we had fun anyway, because I was there with my friends and we had a wonderful time, which I really, really needed, Because the day prior to Pleasurewood Hills I had a colonoscopy. I've been quite open about my medical history, kind of on this podcast, for those that are in the know. Yeah, I had a colonoscopy on Saturday. I haven't got the results back or anything like that, not that I'd probably share the results on the podcast anyway, but I haven't. So I'm sitting here still diagnosis-less as it stands on the 3rd of August, but 10 out of 10 would not do again. Very unpleasant experience for me.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I was looking through your instagram then for a second because I was looking for something that would make sure that I got the word right.
Speaker 2:All right, because after you had the colonoscopy, yes, and you put the post up on instagram. I did, did I spell?
Speaker 1:something wrong. No, no, no, you didn't spell something wrong, but your father-in-law put something on there and I must admit I wasn't gonna react. But your mum did and she said exactly so, basically your father-in-law, because you put on this about colonoscopy. He put on there. He said you know, hopefully there'll be light at the end of the tunnel. Well, that was it when, as soon as I saw that post, I was gone, I was laughing and I so wanted to write something. And then, about a day later, your mum was just chuckling and I what you're laughing at? And she went have you seen Hannah's Instagram? I went yeah, don't tell me you've written something. She went no, I have.
Speaker 2:He means really well, it was a really sweet message. It was a little bit before that it was a really sweet message and I messaged him afterwards like thank you so much for putting that, but, yes, the words chosen were quite funny. I also, jeff, hope there is light at the end of the tunnel, um, but do you know what do? You know, what's really funny I had. So you get a report.
Speaker 2:After you have a colonoscopy, you have a report about what they've done they took 11 biopsies, which is which is um, but something they give you is a, b, boston, bowel score and essentially what that means. I had to google it because mine was well. A friend messaged me and noticed it on my report. She was like you better be proud of that, really, because I got excellent was my score the Boston score. Do you know what it means?
Speaker 1:no, what does it mean?
Speaker 2:how well I cleared my bowels out prior to the colonoscopy. Damn straight. This girl took the bowel prep. I cleared my bowels out prior to the colonoscopy. Demonstrate this girl took the bowel prep.
Speaker 2:Yes, so bowel prep was not a pleasant experience either. Basically, you take like an oral solution that you take. It's basically salty and sweet at the same time, but not in a nice popcorn kind of way, very rancid, and I did something really stupid. So if there's anyone that's listening to this podcast right now and they've got to do some colonoscopy rec, please, please, take this as as the best advice I can give you. It says that you have to drink this solution within an hour because of how the timing works, and so you take your first dose the night before and then the morning of um the next day, so you have two different doses. That first dose I only got through kind of like a third of it because it's pretty rancid, so I thought it would be clever to just get it in me to chug it yeah uh, an hour later, projectile vomit really don't do that, don't, don't try and get it down.
Speaker 2:You just drink as much as you can within that hour and yeah, but don't chug, please sip, because you will vomit and vomit intensely and because, of course, the idea of bowel prep is to get everything out of you as well. It was coming out of both ends, so it wasn't a pleasant experience all around pick an exit boys, we're leaving yeah, yeah, basically wouldn't be surprised if it's coming out my ears by the end but yeah, boston bowel score nine, baby nice, it's like getting an a star, and it is yeah, um, so of it, it was horrible.
Speaker 2:But yeah, boston Bell score nine, baby Nice, it's like getting an A star, isn't it? It is yeah. So, yeah, yeah, that was good, that was good. Sorry for that gross. So shall we? Let's go on to UFOs Segway into UFOs. I don't know how to segway from colonoscopy to UFOs but let's tunnel hydrant, yeah, okay, yeah, anal probing. So oh damn it, we could have gone with anal probe, anal probe. Yeah, I think it wasn't quick enough. Come on, yeah, paul. What great, yeah, what a great film. So sorry, please carry on.
Speaker 1:So, with ufos, I've done, uh, I've done a google, I've done a little bit of a script, so let's go. Did you know, hannah, that the first recorded that we know of ufo sighting? Why are we laughing? Why are we laughing?
Speaker 2:that was so like lights out and away we go just really made me laugh. Sorry, it's the f1 today and I think it's just on my brain oh my god, sorry.
Speaker 1:So in ancient times, in fourth century bc, a greek historian wrote about a flaming spear that he saw in the sky during a roman battle ah, yes, plutarch yes, so plutarch apparently saw a flaming spear in the sky. What do you reckon to that one? A flaming spear sounds like a shooting star to me it does indeed doesn't, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:Because a spear is like a javelin isn't?
Speaker 1:it. Yeah, yeah. So he saw that In 1961 in Nuremberg. Now I have heard of this one before. It was reported a mass sighting, so it wasn't just one person, this was a lot of people saw this event Strange cylindrical and spherical objects in the sky and it looked like a celestial battle.
Speaker 2:A celestial battle celestial, celestial battle.
Speaker 1:There is actually a painting of this event as well. Someone, actually loads of people, saw it. Essentially it was like star wars up in the sky and like what the hell is going on do you think it was a meteor shower?
Speaker 2:probably okay I'm really sorry, I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm immediately like battling against yeah, a lot of these when we come on to towards the end about the, the myths and the facts about the can I preface this by saying that I actually do believe there is very, very likely chance that there is extraterrestrial.
Speaker 2:Of course there is, I'm not saying there isn't, but I think a lot of these things that people see I sometimes think can be equated to other things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course. Yes, Hello Mitchell.
Speaker 2:Hello, hello, there's a present down there for you on the floor from mother and father. Enjoy, have a look, have a look-see, it's cool.
Speaker 1:You're very welcome.
Speaker 2:It's very good, very good, very nice. Enjoy your shower.
Speaker 1:Bye-bye so the uh. So yeah, apparently in neuro, but they saw this this little bit. But yeah, I reckon it probably was probably a meteor shower. Yeah, and ancient art in the vatican. I reckon there's all sorts of stuff in that vatican. You know that they locked away secrets and stuff I do also think that yeah I think there's secrets in there, but they've got art which shows disc-shaped objects above religious scenes.
Speaker 2:Oh will science and religion find an accord.
Speaker 1:We have an accord, we have an accord. There is a theory, though, isn't there, about the Anunnaki, that ancient civilisations we have. You heard this theory?
Speaker 2:well, if you carry it on, I might be able to agree yes or no, so the theory goes is because of our human biology makeup.
Speaker 1:is that aliens actually mated with animals that were already here and we're the byproduct of that? Oh yes, but there's there's lots of theories about that, saying that we're not actually from Earth. We ourselves are aliens. Ooh, that's an entire rabbit hole you want to go down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know if I do. Actually Massive rabbit hole, huge rabbit hole.
Speaker 1:In the 1800s they saw some airships Looked like airships decades before airships were actually a thing.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:What do you think to that?
Speaker 2:Thought airships were actually a thing. Okay, what do you think to that? Thoughts In the daytime.
Speaker 1:It doesn't say Because all of these sightings are always at night right, there's also a lot of these sightings seem to be near military bases as well. Mm-hmm, yeah, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly I understand, but I just feel like light is deceiving.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So during the day we perceive things better.
Speaker 1:I mean I've seen things up in the sky which I've been like. What the hell is that?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah. I don't know. I mean one morning I went to work. It was about, I don't know about five o'clock in the morning and it was dark and when I looked up into the sky I could see looked like flames, something floating around flames, and then, when I got a little bit closer, it was Chinese lantern.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think yeah, it's, it's.
Speaker 1:They abandon out, by the way.
Speaker 2:Apparently they are, are isn't it.
Speaker 1:Environmental issues, um, which is quite a shame, because they do look quite pretty. Fire off into the sky, aren't you?
Speaker 2:you are, but it's also paper so a bit like yeah is it that bad?
Speaker 1:obviously, evidently evidently so where were we then? Of course, in 1947 the most famous ufo incident of all was roswell, where they said a crash sparked alien conspiracy theories, but the military went no, it's just a weather balloon. Now I have heard another theory about Roswell, where it could have been that it was a balloon. But what it was is the actually American military. It wasn't a weather balloon. They were testing to see if it was some kind of radar for Russian nuclear missiles.
Speaker 2:Perhaps yeah.
Speaker 1:That was around that time wasn't it 1946. So then when it crashed, it was like oh shit, we can't tell the public that we're testing all this stuff. We'll say it's a weather balloon. But then of course people are like no, that's not a weather balloon, that's aliens. That's not a weather balloon, that's aliens.
Speaker 2:And it goes from there.
Speaker 1:And the thing is, the more people think it's aliens, it takes them away from what it actually really is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, exactly so. So maybe they fuel the, like you know, marketing wise. Maybe they sometimes fuel these conspiracies. Do you remember? You might actually already have it in there? I'll mention it. Have you put the mall in here, the?
Speaker 1:recent one. No, that's something worth talking about, because we have talked about it before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is why I feel like we've had an episode on this already because we've done like weird events and stuff we've done weird events, we've skirted around ufos. I feel actually we have never done ufos, but yeah, that that whole like the mall event. You go well, I saw this on tiktok and I remember sending it to you. It was was it like downtown la or something or something Like really somewhere, quite?
Speaker 1:populous, wasn't it? It was Los Angeles. Yeah, it was Los Angeles, it was a really populous area.
Speaker 2:I could not tell you what mall it was, but essentially there was like this news report saying that there was an attack on a mall and essentially a lot of people were in the mall and trying to get out of this mall. There was some fire situations going on. There was, like it was, a bit of chaos Immediately. I thought it was like riots, something like that. But then these weird like reports kept coming out of seeing like humanoid creatures that were too tall and weird like lots of things came out of that, like how they immediately shut everything down. All social media was shut down about it. You didn't hear about it. You don't even hear about it now.
Speaker 1:It just went completely plummeted. When you saw the completely plummeted?
Speaker 2:you saw the videos there were like the every single police officer I think in the whole of america was there. Yeah, that was the weirdest thing as well, there was so, so much police presence. Yeah, on this mal, and it felt so stranger, things-esque, didn't it? Was like that really. Yeah, just these the reports that were coming out of. It was so strange like oh, we saw these humanoid creatures and we're not allowed to talk about it, and it was like what.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 2:That was super strange.
Speaker 1:We'll never know the truth, but that was proper super weird and that happened.
Speaker 2:what like two years ago? Yeah, a couple of years ago, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah a couple of years ago A couple in arizona people saw a v-shaped formation of lights and they called it the phoenix phoenix light oh, I remember that.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, I don't remember, sorry, the military said it was flares.
Speaker 1:I was one, but I do remember hearing the military said it was flares. But people over there were like they're not flares. No, they're not flares. Uh then, yeah, then actually in england in 1980, this is called the uk's roswell. So love how we stole the name. Yeah, we stole the name. Us military personnel near a British base saw strange lights in the wood and the one officer said he actually did see a craft and touched it and it was covered in hieroglyphics. Now what do you think to that? What do you think?
Speaker 2:Well, the pyramids built by aliens. And then this was left over.
Speaker 1:This is again one of the theories. What do you think? Well, the pyramids built by aliens. And then this was left over. This is again one of the theories. You know, this is again the theory of ancient Egyptians?
Speaker 2:Or did he have some mushrooms in the forest?
Speaker 1:Possibly had some mushrooms in the forest. Yeah, possibly had them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, again, like you said, like it's strange having it near a base. Yeah, like another military base of sorts? Yeah, an odd one. Yeah An, yeah an odd one, yeah, an odd one.
Speaker 1:Then have you heard of the Tic Tac UFO?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:In 2004,. So US Navy pilots encountered what they saw was a Tic Tac shaped object off the coast of California.
Speaker 2:What like a grid?
Speaker 1:No, as in like a Tic Tac Sweet, you know. Like as in a mint I was thinking of Tic Tac.
Speaker 2:No, I was like what's that? Like a hashtag in the sky? No, no, no, Like a little tic-tac-mean Like a pill. Like a pill, yeah. A pill shape, yeah.
Speaker 1:And apparently this thing was just buzzing around the sky.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And they saw it Well that's mad. So what do you think so far? I think, lot of these could be, um, explained away, explained away. Yeah, there's nothing that's convinced me yet. Well, the next, moving to the next one. The next thing is is when you actually look at ufo, a ufo is a ufo, right as in an identified flying object unidentified flying object.
Speaker 1:You don't. The clue was in the name. It's, uh, it's unidentified. It doesn't necessarily mean it's alien, no true, it just means that something's in the sky and you don't know what it is. So by by definition, it is it's true that it's a ufo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is true that's ufo I get you I get you. Yeah, I've done a few myths. I've done a few myths. I've done a few myths about.
Speaker 2:UFOs. Let's myth bust.
Speaker 1:The myth is that the government denies all knowledge, but they do actually acknowledge that there is quite a lot of unexplained aerial phenomena.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it would be weird of them to not.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It would be weird of them to say no, that's not happening, You're all lying. It would be easier to say ah, say ah, yes, okay, we have identified this thing, we are looking into it yeah, would make me feel a lot safer than nah, it's not happening yeah all right, okay, so we just imagined that flying rock. Well, did you hear?
Speaker 1:about the drones in new jersey, all them drones that were being flown around. That was. That was about a year ago. All right, that was weird as well. And I well, and I did actually because my cousins are in New Jersey so and I did text Robin and said, like, is this actually a thing? She went, yeah, it genuinely is. There are drones everywhere.
Speaker 2:Because I know they're testing out like drone deliveries, aren't they? Yeah?
Speaker 1:it wasn't.
Speaker 2:Amazon. Well, that's what I was thinking was like an Amazon base just accidentally let go of their drones and somehow, like someone, got onto their network and then started like just oh, let's prank the city of Philadelphia.
Speaker 1:It even went on a little bit further to say that these drones they actually thought the drones were ours, as in our or the American military.
Speaker 2:As in UK, or as in humans, oh humans, sorry.
Speaker 1:Because they said they were fighting. They were going after these orbs that kept appearing and they were fighting. They were going after these orbs that kept appearing and they were saying again almost like this sort of battle thing that was going on. And there is quite a lot of video footage of these orbs and these drones. But I'll be brutally honest, when it comes to videos on Facebook and TikTok, I genuinely do not know what to believe, because there's so much AI content. I've got no idea if what I'm seeing is real.
Speaker 2:I've got a question for you because I'm sure I've just thought of something in my brain that I have experienced. That I'm pretty certain I've never said out loud but I'm pretty certain other people experience. Have you ever looked at the sun?
Speaker 1:no, because you got blind okay, let me carry on.
Speaker 2:Okay, have you ever looked at the sky when it's bright? And you actually do. If you look sometimes, sometimes I get orbs in my vision as in like, sometimes like little yeah yeah yeah, I'm sure I'm not the only one that happens to. So now, what I'm thinking is because some people sneeze right when they look at sunlight.
Speaker 1:That's a.
Speaker 2:Thing as well, and I'm like what if? Where are you going with this? And I'm like what if?
Speaker 1:Where are you going with this? Where I'm?
Speaker 2:going with this is when people say, oh, they see orbs in the sky. And then when you look up and you're like, are you trying to desperately see these orbs? And then you kind of manifest the fact that you might actually do but, it's actually just our eyes, just being eyes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but this is the camera, this is filmed. Oh, these are filmed. Orbs filmed?
Speaker 2:oh, I'm so sorry, I thought it was like an observation.
Speaker 1:Okay, let me get those little worm things in your eyes yeah, see what's that all about.
Speaker 2:They can't be worms in your eyes no, they're not. Maybe it's bacteria that we just can't. I don't know, but that's weird. I sometimes get those, I think a lot of people. When they have migraines as well, they get all sorts of crazy things happen in their eyes oh, yeah, yeah and again.
Speaker 2:sometimes I think these stories that come out like I saw this thing or I had a religious experience or I had, you know, particularly I'm not poohooing religion right now, I'm just saying that when people have, I know you will, but I'm just saying that when people have these strange things, ghosts, okay, we'll go with ghosts as well.
Speaker 1:Not necessarily a religious experience, but maybe someone's like oh, you know, I feel like a ghost is after happened to your vision. You do have, okay, maybe not being able to film it, but there's like, yeah, yeah, visiony, visiony, vision, yeah, anyway. So, uh, there are projects like blue book, grudge and sign these, these actual projects by. This is primarily the american government. Okay, it does show decades of military interest and in 2021 and 2022, they actually actually did release a report which admitted that they were looking into over 140 different unexplained aerial phenomena.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because space defence is a legitimate industry. And it is defence, not just against alien life form, but also if we had a meteor coming our way what are we going to do about it? You know things like that and predicting meteor showers and things that could harm life on Earth. You know, that is a thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's not. It doesn't scare me that they would look into this. If anything, it brings me sort of comfort.
Speaker 1:Well, of course, you would look into it, in fact. In fact, this is again one of the reasons why I thought about doing this episode. In fact, this is again one of the reasons why I thought about doing this episode. There is something going on at the moment which is throwing loads of conspiracy theories around and considering, say, this is August, we're recording this and this episode will probably come out late September. Early September yeah early September there's a comet well, I'm saying comet called 3I, Atlas. Okay, this comet is.
Speaker 2:When you say 3I, do you mean III?
Speaker 1:This is what they're calling it 3I 3I.
Speaker 1:No 3I as in the letter. Oh, okay, 3i. Atlas Understood, carry on. Now it is a, basically it's an interstellar comet. It was detected by the Atlas telescope System on the 1st of July 2025. So not that long ago. This thing is out there Now. It's travelling at a hyperbolic trajectory, indicating that it's not gravitationally bound to the sun like other objects. Hyperbolic as in. It's going its own path. It's doing what it wants to do. Okay, right, it's massive, massive. This thing is absolutely huge. It's basically without reading all of that. It's come out of interstellar space. No one knows where this thing's come from. It's a long shaped, almost like a like just an oblong cylinder.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, this okay.
Speaker 1:This thing is absolutely massive, Right. It's not abiding by any gravitational law which suggests it's being propelled by something.
Speaker 2:Why are they using the word hyperbolic? Because hyperbole, obviously, or hyperbolic is exaggerated. So I assume what you're saying is that it's going, it's yeah, it's kind of own crazy path.
Speaker 1:It's about three and a half miles Long, three and a half miles Long, three and a half miles wide and seven miles long, this thing right.
Speaker 2:It's seven by three miles.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:That would. That would smush Norwich right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if that was to hit the Earth, it's a planet. We're all gone. Sayonara, really, yeah, so long, and thanks for all the fish.
Speaker 2:What are we doing about this?
Speaker 1:Oh, it's not going to come anywhere near us. It's going to pass the other side of the sun.
Speaker 2:Well, they're saying it's got a hyperbolic path, so it might just go well. This is it, but the thing is.
Speaker 1:The worrying thing is people saying that it is an alien spacecraft and it's going to send out probes and probing time and it's going to start. Why?
Speaker 2:why do they immediately? Is it because you can find out a lot of things through your poop? Is that kind of where the whole anal probe thing comes from? I don't, because some of it could be wishful thinking because, medically speaking, like yeah, you can get a lot of information out of poo, but information on the individual?
Speaker 1:I'm not talking about probing individual as about probing the planet, having a look at the planet to see what's on it. But the thing is, if I was an alien?
Speaker 2:sorry, maybe like butts are on my mind.
Speaker 1:But if I obvious reasons. But if I was an alien, I must admit I'd probably look down at the earth look, look at us and go, keep going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're already fucked up, so let's go I thought they were supposed to be intelligent life form.
Speaker 1:What are they doing? Like, just keep going, keep going, go to the Andromeda Galaxy. There's nothing here. Andromeda Galaxy there's nothing here. So yeah, so that's a thing at the moment. That is a thing at the moment. That is the thing at the moment. It's supposed to come the closest to us, in November, I think.
Speaker 2:So can we see it with our eyes.
Speaker 1:I don't think you'll be able to see it with your eyes. No, Damn no, but it's going to pass the other side of the sun, so it's not going to actually come anywhere near us.
Speaker 2:May I do a small segue, of course, a very small one. Mitchell and I are, as you know, as you know, in September we are going stargazing at the top of the mountain. We did that, mount Tide. Yeah, we did that. I'm very excited to do it yeah. I didn't realise you guys had done that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I actually saw Saturn's ring that's right. There's a lot of stuff about anuses today.
Speaker 2:Why is there so much anal talk? Man, give the girl a break, man yeah.
Speaker 1:I actually saw it through the telescope, saw Saturn's ring wow, you get telescopes as well, because I wasn't sure whether to like get a little pair of binoculars or no? No you get a big old telescope. So I saw Jupiter, venus, mars, uranus.
Speaker 2:We just keep coming, good lord good lord, I regret doing this segue now, but yes, yeah, oh, you'll really enjoy. Good lord, I regret doing this segway now, but yes, yeah oh, you'll really enjoy that yeah, I think we're really into it so. I'm excited awesome do I need to know anything before I go like? Do I need to like bone up on some astrological?
Speaker 1:well, you can humans you're just going to look at some planets and stars.
Speaker 2:I'm very excited. I've never seen a planet in a telescope before.
Speaker 1:Seeing Saturn with the rings was amazing.
Speaker 2:Can you see the colour? Or is it just like, wow, that's so cool.
Speaker 1:I'm excited. It was really cool. It was really cool.
Speaker 2:I'm really excited. Hopefully Saturn's there in an optimal space when we go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and it's not cloudy, because of course you need to. Oh yeah, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 2:I didn't even think about that yeah, you can't see through clouds because, also, if we go up to the top of the mountain it's like, oh, you can see the whole of Tenerife, but it'll be dark so we can't so hopefully we'll be able to see the lights of Tenerife, perhaps but yeah, it'll be fun either way. I think apparently the the chairlift is a bit precarious oh, oh.
Speaker 1:we didn't actually go on the mountain, we went somewhere else because we just drove up there.
Speaker 2:Oh, we're going on top of the volcano, oh okay, yeah, that's really cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we just went on top of a hill, it wasn't exactly a mountain.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, no, no, no. This is the volcano tide, is it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, mount Tide.
Speaker 2:Volcano Tide. I don't know what the cable car? Because I was like davey wouldn't have gone on a precarious cable car. Hell to the nerve. Yeah, exactly so I was like it can't be that bad, the dynamic risk assessment there. And then new.
Speaker 1:Apparently it's a closed pod, so okay, chance of falling out, yeah, but you're still like a cable up in the air.
Speaker 2:I get that, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, sorry that was a segue then needed.
Speaker 1:So the myth the myth of government that the government denies all knowledge is in fact a myth. The government has acknowledged that there are um good, it would be scary in my opinion. Yeah, and also there's a myth saying that there is no physical evidence but apparently apparently there had. While no confirmed alien tech has been released publicly, several whistleblowers claim that the non-human craft, non-human craft exist and are in government possession.
Speaker 2:A non-human craft Craft.
Speaker 1:Craft. That's a bit like Independence Day, isn't it?
Speaker 2:with Will Smith.
Speaker 1:I mean. The thing is, my worry is, even if an alien crashed here, right, and they had advanced technology, you know what will happen Humans will find some way to weaponize it. Even if it wasn't weaponized, if it's like, say like if the craft was, say I don't know, went on plasma, they'd find a way to recreate that and then turn into a plasma gun yeah because that's just what humans do.
Speaker 2:I need to. I feel like I need to visit like an alien museum, like of alien, like I'd love to see all that, just to see it with my own eyes. There's very much like us talking about it or seeing pictures of them. I I would like to empirically see it with my own eyes yeah, yeah to believe uh, so a few questions faqs.
Speaker 1:One of the questions we've already asked is why do most ufos appear near military bases?
Speaker 2:I think because of the testing of the crafts and I think it is probably military crafts that people are seeing that even some of the personnel of those military bases are not privy to yeah, because the thing is as well.
Speaker 1:Also, military people are quite aware of surroundings as well very aware.
Speaker 2:I think they're more acute people, they're more observant, and I think that's also another factor at play as to why they probably see a lot more. Also, aren't military bases tend to be like more secluded areas of the world?
Speaker 1:secluded areas, but also they have a lot because they are military bases. They have a lot of scanning equipment like radars.
Speaker 2:Yes, they have a lot of surveillance and so if something is going to be noticed and recorded, it's likely, it's more likely to be there and I'm sorry, but if I was going to land on a planet, if I was an alien landing on a planet, I want to land somewhere like a desert, like nevada, somewhere where there is I'm not going to hit anything, because I would want to probe the earth and find out what they've got.
Speaker 1:Also, if I was a hostile alien and I was coming to attack the planet and I was looking around. You do a recce first you look to see what you're up against. So what are you going to do? You're going to look at military bases. Yeah observe their what's their actual capability If I kick off, Can we succeed?
Speaker 2:Oh no, they've got nuclear. That might be a bit of an issue, exactly, exactly. So not that I'm pro-nuclear or anything but it might be handy.
Speaker 1:The next question is a question that I see quite often, not just in ufos, but just everything in everyday general life, and that is why don't we have clearer footage? Why is the footage always grainy?
Speaker 2:honestly, I think of this all the time when it comes to CCTV. How the hell have we not got non-potato footage? Honestly, you'd think that'd been taken on a Nokia bloody 60 foot or whatever it's called the first Nokia with a camera. I can't remember what it's called now, but how have we not developed that technology we have? Is it just expensive to replace?
Speaker 1:everything Think so With CCTV. You have analog and digital cameras, sure, okay. So digital cameras cost a lot of money and you think about CCTV, right, how many cameras you would have in a space. These things are expensive.
Speaker 2:Big Brother is always watching right, so it's got to be a lot of cameras and also.
Speaker 1:Also, if you're going to go up to hd quality, right, these cameras are expensive. Not only that, you need server, because these cameras are recording all the time, so think of the server space as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's genuinely why which is why we need quantum computing computing to take off exactly, and also you when you look at uh cameras.
Speaker 1:This is the other thing, this is the thing that makes me laugh when I watched, when I watched telly, and they'd say like, oh, check the cctv and it can be framed better and they scan it and they like zoom in and the and the face is like perfect and you're like oh my gosh it doesn't work like that. It genuinely doesn't work like that yeah you know, and then, because you've got cameras that are called ptz, which pan, which are pan tilt zoom cameras, then you've got static cameras. So of course these things always.
Speaker 2:This is like your area of expertise.
Speaker 1:We've suddenly tapped into. I kind of know a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've tapped into one of your expertise levels, but yeah, yeah, but that is part of the main reason why.
Speaker 1:It's storage space and also quality of the camera and the expense of the camera all the time as well. So they're weathered, so they're weathered, yeah, so yeah, that that's essentially why. But also when somebody's, when, when you've got a camera and you're filming it, say so you see ufo and you get your camera phone out, you're shaking, going, oh my god, what the hell is that?
Speaker 2:you're nervous and all that going on yeah, I can see that, because sometimes, like when something happens, normally it's animals because I'm like, when I see an animal that I want to like photograph, I'm like, oh my god, and then you're like really slowly take out your phone and you're like I can't move that much because it will scare it off.
Speaker 2:And you try and get as soon as you, and then you can't bloody find the camera button, so you like, and then you press it on your home screen and then it's like, oh, facial recognition. You're like, oh, frick, I have to do this and that, yeah, yeah. And then you get to a point where you're like, ah right, okay, I got it ready. And then the animals moved and it's so frustrating exactly I've.
Speaker 2:I've since been doing a little bit more social media for my accounts that I, that I um have including bonus dad, bonus daughter as well. I've been taking more videos than photos recently because a photo on an iphone you get like this live photo function, which is really cool. So you get the kind of video and then you can choose, like the best part of that picture to have, which is very cool I like that function.
Speaker 2:It's a good function, but sometimes it's not quite long enough. So I just take videos, no matter what. If we're taking a great photo, I'll just put it on video and then just grab a still from the video, because it's so much easier doing that than it is actually taking the photo it is indeed, it really is yeah, and the iphone quality is pretty good yeah I mean actually iphone, I'm not joking I the camera on an iphone is probably better than 90 percent of cctv cameras yeah, I quite believe that, yeah, I quite believe that.
Speaker 1:So other question have astronauts seen ufos? Because?
Speaker 2:you think I've never thought about that. But yeah, have they yes, wow.
Speaker 1:so several astronauts, including edgar mitchell and Gordon Cooper, claimed that they have seen UFOs. You know, whilst they've been up in the sky, up in the sky, up in space, the sky sky. Nasa has denied officially that they've had any alien contact.
Speaker 2:Other than the wow signal.
Speaker 1:See, yeah, exactly, but alien contact, that's interesting, isn't it? We haven't had any contact, we've seen them.
Speaker 2:It's an interesting phrasing, mm-hmm, isn't it? We don't have any contact. We've seen them.
Speaker 1:It's an interesting uh phrasing yes, it's contact suggests that they have not communicated. Doesn't say they haven't seen or interacted.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly because even interaction does not mean contact.
Speaker 1:Yes, in 2023. There is an official. The official ufo office was uh, was um built yeah, and it's called the all domain anomaly resolution office a d a r o, yes a d a r o.
Speaker 2:So what adaro?
Speaker 1:adaro, yeah, what they do is they basically just investigate it and see, investigate ufos, it's called arrow not sorry uh, they investigate ufos or uaps, rather unidentified aerial phenomena, and they basically is that like the new hip woke Arrow, not Adaro, sorry. They investigate UFOs or UAPs, rather Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
Speaker 2:And they basically Is that like the new hip woke UFO.
Speaker 1:That's the new, yeah, uaps, because objects suggest a solid object, whereas phenomena could be anything like these orbs or whatever.
Speaker 2:It's so close to OAP, though that's quite funny.
Speaker 1:UAP yeah.
Speaker 2:Old age pensioner OAP, UAP.
Speaker 1:So, Lovely. So let's just finish off on just exploring what they could actually be, what UFOs could be. What do you think?
Speaker 2:I mean, I've said a couple. People on drugs, people on drugs yeah.
Speaker 1:People on drugs it's a trick of the eye. Let's say, okay, yeah, people on drugs trick of the eye, people on drugs trick of the eye, if you want to.
Speaker 2:Just let's get the human element out of the way of misinterpreting what they're seeing or observing. Maybe might be a better way Space debris, so like meteor, or like, yeah, comets, stars.
Speaker 1:Lightning yeah, lightning Weather phenomena yeah, comets, stars lightning yeah lightning weather phenomena, yeah weather anything else, because this is great, because you never read the script. So I've got, I've got four possibilities. Yeah, I've actually scrolled away from it.
Speaker 2:Maybe I said trick of the eye. I guess illusion comes into that, like that sort of Plato's cave analogy.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking again it's coming back like I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking that what we're observing is not actually what's happening.
Speaker 1:That's true, yes, perception perspective.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm not saying that the people are lying, that are seeing it. I just think they're perceiving it differently to what it actually is.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sorry, mine are mostly blaming the human based yeah. Yeah, I mean. The other explanation is there could be life form out there and I don't think there isn't.
Speaker 1:I think it would be naive of us to think that we are the only I think arrogant as well.
Speaker 2:Arrogant, yeah, maybe that's better naive, arrogant of you know that there can't be. Yeah, I, I believe. Of course there's other life, whatever form that life is speaking, they cannot not be life somewhere else yeah it's statistically impossible yeah, I agree with them.
Speaker 1:So I came up with four possibilities. Possibility number one advanced tech from other countries oh yeah, I didn't mention that, yeah so it could be like you mentioned, like the stealth bomber. You know the first time that went out and somebody saw that like jesus. What is that?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, you know it's worrying yep, new tech.
Speaker 1:You've already mentioned the second one atmospheric or optical illusions. Yeah, yeah, which is the one that you kind of thing?
Speaker 2:psychological phenomena such as mass hysteria I was thinking about mass hysteria, but I wasn't going to mention it only because I don't. I don't actually agree with mass hysteria. I don't think it's a thing.
Speaker 1:Memory distortion as well, you remember things differently Yep, loftus and Palmer, yep and misperception which you said Plato's.
Speaker 2:Cave analogy Plato's.
Speaker 1:Cave. The other possibility is aliens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which I also said yeah, I'm winning, it is.
Speaker 1:The only thing I didn't mention was other people's tech.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm good at this.
Speaker 1:so essentially what we kind of what I've discovered looking at this is that the phenomena of ufos is real, 100 real 100 like people.
Speaker 2:People have experienced seeing something that they cannot identify in the air yes, and that is it.
Speaker 1:That is the definition of a UFO or UAP. So the UFOs are real 100%. It's what they are. It's the mystery.
Speaker 2:It's the mystery. It's not the fact that they don't exist. It's the fact that we don't show why they exist.
Speaker 1:Exactly, yeah, but all the way through time, since the dawn of time up until now, we've seen these things in the sky that we cannot explain. We cannot explain. So, oh, hello the sky that we cannot explain. We cannot explain. So, oh, hello, was that a dog? That was a dog, that was a dog. Uh, so essentially, yeah, who knows, you know, one day they won't be unidentified anymore. We'll look up and we'll go.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh yes that's bob from his planet zarkon, because I imagine at one stage the northern lights was probably one of those phenomena, right that's what north north mythology said it was the bifrost.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was that. It was the, the roadway to the to the uh dogs. It's because the dog was fucking outside.
Speaker 2:I was trying to ignore the dogs and you're like it's the driveway to the dog driveway. What did you say, gods?
Speaker 1:I meant to say not dogs it's because I have a dog fart.
Speaker 2:Oh dear. So yeah, that was a Freudian slip, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:That was a Freudian slip yeah, so yeah, they thought it was the road to To dogs To Asgard, to dog heaven, yeah. Asgard, valhalla, valhalla, yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 2:Wonderful. Well, thank you for joining us on this episode of Bonus Dad, bonus Daughter, ufo Edition. If you'd like to hear any more related to that topic, we have plenty in the bank for you to look at. We've done secret places and we've done lots of like. We've done Area 51. What episode was that, can you?
Speaker 1:remember that was in space, wasn't it? It was a space episode.
Speaker 2:We've done a space episode as well, but I don't think it was in that one. I think it was in the weird places, places you can't go. Was it Unexpected Places? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Forbidden.
Speaker 1:Places, forbidden Places that's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 2:So we've got plenty of episodes of this nature, so have a look in the bank if you haven't already. But if you're an avid listener and you've worked your way up and seen all of our this journey, we hope that you see a UFO at some time in your life and maybe you can explain it to us. Have a wonderful day. Cue the outro. Thanks for joining us on Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter. Don't forget to follow us on all our socials and share the podcast with someone who'd love it. We are available on all streaming platforms. See you next time. Bye-bye.