Time Twists And Coinky Dinks

Think you’ve got history straight? Prepare to have your timeline scrambled—in the best way. We dive into the most surprising overlaps that upend what “ancient,” “modern,” and “new” really mean, from Cleopatra being closer to the Moon landing than to the pyramids to Oxford and Cambridge predating Europe’s first encounters with the Aztecs. It’s a fast, funny, and revealing tour through time that swaps neat narratives for jaw-dropping juxtapositions.

We trace parallel empires—Rome and Han China—and show how knowledge and power intersected through the Library of Alexandria. Then we switch to warfare’s messy evolution: armour lingering as guns emerged, samurai tradition lasting into the age of muskets, and a hand-cranked wooden submarine in 1775 challenging our sense of when “high tech” starts. Culture delivers its own shocks: Charlie Chaplin and Adolf Hitler born the same week, Darwin overlapping with Picasso, and the real Pocahontas living in Shakespeare’s era. These pairings make famous names feel less like museum pieces and more like neighbours in a crowded historical street.

Technology refuses to line up neatly. Colour photographs came before telephones. Plastic arrived before the everyday pen. Early electric cars shared the stage with the Titanic. Fax machines existed while pioneers trekked the Oregon Trail. And progress isn’t only about gadgets: humanity reached the Moon before Swiss women could vote, a stark reminder that social change often trails innovation. We even end with a theatrical flourish—the literal origin of “you stole my thunder”—proving language keeps souvenirs from odd corners of the past.

If you love smart surprises, human stories, and timelines that refuse to behave, you’ll feel right at home. Tap follow, share this with a friend who enjoys a good “wait, what?” moment, and leave a review to tell us which overlap blew your mind most.

Chapters

• 0:00 Setting The Stage: Coinky Dinks
• 2:55 Ancient Worlds That Overlap
• 6:50 Empires In Parallel
• 10:04 Warfare: Old Tech Meets New
• 15:45 Submarines, Duels, And Odd Firsts
• 20:55 Science, Inventions, And Misaligned Dates
• 27:40 Artists, Icons, And Startling Birth Years
• 31:45 Modernity’s Strange Timing
• 36:20 Final Shockers And Language Origins
• 40:32 Wrap-Up And Listener Invite

Transcript

Setting The Stage: Coinky Dinks

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad. Bonus Daughter, a special father-daughter podcast with me, Hannah. And me, Davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories. Within our ever-changing and complex world.

SPEAKER_02 0:13

Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view. And influences throughout the decades. Or you could choose one by contacting us via email, Instagram, Facebook, or TikTok. Links in bio. Welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

A very special episode.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

Welcome to a very special episode of Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter. We are here today, not live from the lounge. Why do I always want to- That is always my next lounge.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

We are live at the moment.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

We are live to each other. This episode is on overlapping Kawinky Dinks. It is. Overlapping Kawinky Dinks.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

And for those of you watching on YouTube, you will notice that Hannah has her laptop closed. And that's because we're going to do a like a bit of a blind react on this episode. God, I wish I hadn't done that. No, don't throw your laptop. Jesus. And so I've I this I the idea for this episode actually came from somebody at work.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Ooh. Can we name them? It was Ben. Thanks, Ben. Oh, cool, Ben. Yeah. Cool Ben. Yeah. So yeah. I only know you as cool, Ben. I'm so sorry. But I mean, of all of all the nicknames you could have, Cool Ben, I think is all. We know we know a lot of cool Ben. So carry on.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Yeah. So this basically me and him were having this conversation at work the other day, and he was telling me about that some of the things that he looked up and he went, just find this fact absolutely amazing. And we were talking about it, and I went, and then halfway through the conversation, I went, Do you know what? I'm gonna do let's do a podcast episode on this.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

Yeah. So I've done I did a lot of research on this one, actually. Did a little bit of digging around to see what we could find.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Really? Yeah. What chat GPT?

SPEAKER_00 1:48

No, no, no, no. Oh day.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

Organic.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

This is a lot of this stuff was Google, you know, Googles. Not not Chat GPT. So basically, what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna read you some facts out and see what your reaction is to that fact.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

Blind React, got it.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

And there's there's quite a few on here.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

Quite a few.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Um I don't know how long this episode is gonna be. That's very cocky or how quickly we're gonna get through these, but let's just see what happens. Who cares? Let's see what happens. The first two are pretty much the same. Oh, okay. Okay, first two. But did you know that Cambridge University is older than the Aztecs?

SPEAKER_02 2:29

Uh Cambridge University was before the Aztecs.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Was founded in 1209 and we discovered the Aztecs in 1428.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

Oh, okay. Yeah, the discovery of the Aztecs.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

So the discovery of the Aztecs, so it's just actually older. And the other one is Oxford is actually older than the Aztecs as well. The Oxford was founded in 1096. So Oxford University was founded in 1096.

Ancient Worlds That Overlap

SPEAKER_02 2:54

0800 double 1096. Yes. So after Hastings. But hang on, hang on, hang on. So the discovery of the Aztecs.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

But not the Aztecs.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Well no, the Aztecs have been going for ages and ages.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

So what you're saying is that pre-Cambridge and Oxford, we didn't know the Aztecs existed.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

We didn't know the Aztecs existed.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

That's pretty cool. So that is so I never realised how old those universities were. Exactly. Yeah, that's really shocked me, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

So you think so Oxford has been around for 1,000, for over a thousand how many actually this is maths.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

What was the year again?

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Uh 1096. Do maths. I can't do maths.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

Well, if it was a thousand years, it'd be 2096 and we're not quite there yet.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Yeah. So 2025.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Uh 7.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

That's a long time ago. We are so shit at maths. I can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

Can you see the episode? Why can't I 1096? 1096, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:50

Yeah, it's a thousand. Well, it's a thousand years old.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

It's not. It's just under a thousand years old.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Just under a thousand years old. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:57

It's coming up. It's coming up.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

In 2096. That's the thousand year old. You know Critical Role. Well, I am familiar with Critical Role.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

There's there's this episode where Travis is uh and he's roll, he's rolling some dice or whatever, and he's going, he says, he said, I can't do this. He said, I can't, he said, I can't count. He goes, no, um, he said, I'm not very good at reverse maths. And Sam goes, what subtraction?

SPEAKER_02 4:20

Reverse maths. What would be division? Division would be would be partial maths. Partial maths. And times would be maths.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Multiple maths.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

Multiple maths. Multiple maths.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

Oh, I am so honestly so bad at numbers. I just can't do them.

SPEAKER_02 4:41

I can't say numbers. I struggle. If there's a long number, I really have to think about how I've got to say it.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:47

I'm glad I'm not on the numbers. Anyway, sorry. Oxford and Cambridge, old as f Yes.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

Oh, I swear. You swore that'll have to be ducked out.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

Oh wait, do you know what? I was doing so well.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

You actually said when we started these three episodes this morning that you said you were probably gonna be swearing a lot.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

I said that I would be having brain fog a lot.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Yeah. And do you know what I've actually noticed? And I I didn't want to say it because I'm probably now gonna jinx it, is the fact that you haven't been umming today, which is just lovely. And now I've said it, you're gonna probably be doing it now. And I'm having to do a lot of it. I find this fact absolutely mind-blowing. This one.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

Go on.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Did you know that Cleopatra is closer in time to astronauts than to the pyramids? Did you know that then in so the pyramids when were the pyramids born? The pyram the pyramids were 2560 BCE. Cleopatra was around 30 BCE. So two th over 2,500 years later, okay. There's a gap of 2,500 years between Cleopatra and the pyramids.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Yep. And we went into space in the moon landing in 1969. So the so the time frame between Cleopatra and the pyramids is larger between Cleopatra and the moon landing. Got it. Yeah. Did you know as well that there were actual people during Cleopatra's time that studied ancient Egypt? There were ancient Egypt historians during the time of Cleopatra.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

I guess I didn't realise how young Cleopatra was.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

If that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

She was only what, 35 BC?

SPEAKER_00 6:34

Thirty thirty BCE, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

Thirty BCE.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

So she was thirty years before the alleged birth of Christ.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

So we're two we're 2026.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

So she's only only just 2,500 years in Is that right?

Empires In Parallel

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Yeah, yeah. Well I'll just math. I'm disagreeing with you.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

That's not right. 2,200 years. 2,100 years. I can't math.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

No.

SPEAKER_02 6:59

It's too much math.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

Way too much math.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

She's she's younger than I thought she was. I thought she was I think maybe because we're like, oh Cleopatra, like that's 30 ages ago.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

Ancient ancient Egypt, but she's not. She's not. She's not. Not. Um and did you know that the Rome Wait, so she was around the same time as She was 30 years before Christ.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

30 years before Christ. Yeah, yeah. So she was around the same time as the Roman Empire.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

Yeah, that's what I was just that's what because I was thinking.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

Mark Antony, who was, you know, because Ant Anthony and Cleopatra.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

Mark Antony was a Roman general.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

Damn. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. I don't think I I don't think I thought they existed at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

Yeah, no, they but this is the next fact. Did you know that the Roman Empire existed the same time as the Han Chinese Empire? They were at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

As in let's get down to business to defeat the Huns. That one?

SPEAKER_00 7:51

No, Han, Han China, not Huns.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

Yeah. So they were around the same time. The massive empires were around at the same time. And did you know as well that the library of sorry Alexandria and the Roman Republic were also around at the same time?

SPEAKER_02 8:12

Yeah, yeah. That one makes more sense to me, but I think that's because I have prior knowledge of Greek.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 8:17

Um, yeah, that probably doesn't surprise me. She can have a library in her name if she wishes. Yeah. See, there's another thing that's named after Alexandria.

SPEAKER_00 8:25

Well, a library.

SPEAKER_02 8:26

Yeah. Yeah. Libraries. Every city in Greece was called Alexandria, so you never knew where you were going. Maps were stupid. Are you in Alexandria? Yeah, I'm in Alexandria. Because they had phones back then, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

I'm in Alexandra. Oh, yeah, so am I. Yeah, yeah. I'm near the statue. And they're like, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm near the statue too. Um, does it have any arms? No, it doesn't have any arms. Okay, we must be near the same statue. Oh no, sorry, I'm in Alexandria in the north. You're in Alexandria in the west. And oh, oh Matey's in Alexandria in the south. I'm still mad about this. I'm still so mad that they called everything Alexandria. It annoys me. Just have some individuality, people.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Do you know what I find really interesting is what you just did with your hand to the phone. Because apparently, and this is a thing that I found out the other day as well, that when the new generation, they do that because they're on speakerphone rather than that.

SPEAKER_02 9:12

So we we have a friend who who had a baby and and he was demonstrating to me how he talks to his grandma. Yeah. And it was this, because it's FaceTime.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Face time.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

So it's not even this anymore or this. And then taking a picture, it's not this anymore. What is it? It's this.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

What a world we live in.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

Yeah, dear lord. Anyway, sorry. Dear Lord.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

Another quinky dink.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

Another quinky dink?

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Yes, chuck another one my way.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

That Normans and the Byzantium Empire were the same.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

I've not heard of the Byzantium Empire.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

Please tell me more.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

Uh I don't know too much about them. Lovely. I don't know too much about them. Good research, good research. Well, that was just saying what things were around at the same time. That's what I researched that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The next section. The next section.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

We're on to another section.

Warfare: Old Tech Meets New

SPEAKER_00 9:58

We're onto another section. Is I looked at warfare.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

Warfare.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

Like new tech versus old tech.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

In within war. Now, did you know that people were still wearing armour when firearms were invented? So like knights.

SPEAKER_02 10:20

Oh my gosh. So wow. So we're we're talking like chain link.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

Yeah, people were still wearing chainmail armour when firearms were first invented. So we're talking about muskets, aren't we? First kind of firearms or well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

I mean, what defence would they have had against a firearm? I mean, chain chainmail's good for knives and because you can't get a knife through the chain. But I don't know what how would a gun does a gun would a gun obliterate? Like would that?

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Yeah, it's a small impact, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Go through Because obviously we have Kevlar now.

SPEAKER_00 10:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

Anti-stab, anti-gun?

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Yeah. Kevlar, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:57

Yeah? Yeah. Because it's lightweight, but um heavy duty. So yeah, I mean, would would armour be a good defence against a musket? Because if it hit your helmet, you'd be deaf.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

But also you can't move quickly in armour, can you?

SPEAKER_02 11:11

No, so you can't do the zigzag method.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

Exactly. You can't zigzag. No. It's like in do you never watch Game of Thrones, did you?

SPEAKER_02 11:22

I am aware of this.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

But there's this one scene where Rick on, yeah, where Rick on he's running and they get an arrow they fire and everyone's shouting screen zigzag man. Yeah. Zigzag. Zigzag, you'll be fine. Yeah. But yeah. But yeah, so armor was around when firearms were invented. People were still wearing armour.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

That yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Is that is that a is that a crazy coinky think?

SPEAKER_02 11:42

No, uh, that's not that crazy, but I am surprised.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Okay. Did you know that during the American Civil War, so it's the 1800s, when they had muskets, and that the samurai were still fighting with samurai swords.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

Yeah. So the samurai was still around in the 1800s. 1860. Is that a civil war?

SPEAKER_02 12:07

I think if they're Mazancian, like I know people still practice samurai. Like I I know that's still a thing. I'm not naive, but also at the as an army of basically n ninjas, let's be honest.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Yeah. Well, I there there is that film called The Last Samurai with Tom Cruise in it, and that's where he that but it's supposed to be him. It's you know, he goes he becomes a samurai, but he I will fight for my own hand. Yeah, he was uh he he fought in the American Civil War. So I know that fact is, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:36

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

Yeah. So yeah, there's that fact.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 12:39

When do you think submarines first came into play?

SPEAKER_02 12:45

We all live in the yellow submarines. Submarines, I feel like they seem like very newish tech. I'm gonna go with let's say they they must have been about in World War I, like Pearl Harbor, right? So let's go 1900s?

SPEAKER_00 13:00

Okay. So during the American Revolution, 1775, they had a submarine.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

What? Like, when was electric invented? I need like I need I need a better It was a hand crank.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

They would have gone underwater, hand cranking.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

How did they deal with the pressure? How did the dials work? Wooden!

SPEAKER_00 13:17

It was wooden. It was a wooden hand cranked submarine during the American Revolution.

SPEAKER_02 13:22

You would not catch me dead in that.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Oh, well, you might be dead in that.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

Wooden. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

And now that we've got like submissibles going into the into the ocean on a logitech controller.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

I I know, yeah. I know.

SPEAKER_02 13:35

Is it too soon?

SPEAKER_00 13:36

No, no, that was that was ages ago. That was. That was that you're that was an implosion as well. That was an implosion. They would just instantly died.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Well, that's good because I don't want them to suffer.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

Instantly died.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Yeah. So there you go.

SPEAKER_02 13:48

Uh I don't think you'd catch me on a submarine. I I'm a bit funny about glass bottomed boats, let alone a submarine. You shouldn't be able to see the fish.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

Have you ever been on a submarine? Been in a submarine.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

No. And I'd like to keep it that way.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Oh my god. Right. So we we have me, me and your mum went in a submarine in Tenerife.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Are we talking about the same thing?

SPEAKER_00 14:10

What?

SPEAKER_02 14:10

Like you were travelling underwater.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

We were in a submarine. We were underwater in the submarine. It was a tourist thing. You know, you're going to see the fish on the north coast of Tenerife.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

Did they have a Logitech controller?

SPEAKER_00 14:22

They didn't have a Logitech controller. But oh my god, and I know your mum is now going to be laughing because I am going to tell this story. Because when when we were in the it was amazing, so you could see it outside the pot or the porthole. No, it wasn't. It was actually. It was yellow submarine because we were all singing the other submarine. Yeah. Yeah. It was incredibly cheesy.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

We actually said that as a joke, and then, yeah, we all sang it. Like so normal. Like that was a normal thing. Were they all British?

SPEAKER_00 14:53

Pretty much in there. Right, makes sense. Pretty much in there. Yeah, it makes sense. But but because obviously Tenor Ethan is quite hot, isn't it? It's Canary Islands. It is very warm. Very, very warm.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

And there was this and the air was circulated through the vents.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

Did you fart?

SPEAKER_00 15:09

No, but there was a guy on there who had the worst BO.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Oh, oh no.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Absolutely. It was we were all gagging.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

I was gonna say, because if if someone had like if someone genuinely felt poorly, I'd be like, oh fair enough.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Yeah, but there's no excuse for that. I mean, but it was it was it was we were gagging. Yeah. Absolutely gagging. In fact, actually, it was that holiday as well, I think. Um, when I did because we're talking about embarrassing moments or the episode Julio, uh that is the That's the holiday. I didn't mention that in the embarrassing moments story. That was that was brilliant.

Submarines, Duels, And Odd Firsts

SPEAKER_02 15:43

So yeah, basically I feel like you've told this story on the podcast before. Have I? Yeah, we've done this conversation.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

Julio, get the stretch.

SPEAKER_02 15:49

Yeah, and then no one laughed.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

No one laughed. No one laughed at all.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

I got standing ovation when I was in a Tenerife.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Did you?

SPEAKER_02 15:56

I sang The Way You Make Me Feel by Marco Jackson on the karaoke.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

Really?

SPEAKER_02 16:00

She's still got it, baby. The way you make a meep. The way a make me. I sing a Dell in the shower this morning.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

Were you?

SPEAKER_02 16:10

Yeah. Anyway, sorry, Quinky Dinks.

SPEAKER_00 16:11

I'm not singing anything in the shower this morning.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

Why? No. Who are you?

SPEAKER_00 16:15

I know.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

I always sing in the shower.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Carry on. When do you think? So you know you know in France.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

I am aware of the country, yes.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Yes. Uh so quite often they would duel. If someone had an argument with someone else, they would duel. There'd be pistols at dawn or swords at dawn.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

Like in Hamilton.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

When do you think the last what the year the last French duel took place?

SPEAKER_02 16:35

Now they were very late with the guillotine as well.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

They oh yeah, they were very late. I've got that later. Okay, okay. I won't mention that then.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

Um I think it could have been in the 1900s.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

I I'm thinking I'm I'm gonna go 1920.

SPEAKER_00 16:49

Yeah. Oh, so two grown men, say grown men, two men fought jewelled each other for the last time in France in 1967. 67? 1967. Just before you were born. Just before I was born. Damn. They were ch ch On garde.

SPEAKER_02 17:09

That's fencing.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Well, they can- The jewelers when they do the No, but these were swords. I thought you meant not pistols. This was swords. Dueling with swords.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

Oh, actual fencing. Actual fencing.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

So that's a big thing. Stabby stabby stabby stabby.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Slicey slicing.

SPEAKER_02 17:27

Stabby stabby slicey slicey.

unknown 17:28

Cool.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

So yeah, so now in the next section I'm going, but it's a bit of science and inventions that kind of feel a little bit out of place.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

Oh, let's go.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Did you know that Harvard? Harvard existed. University. Harvard University. Existed before calculus was discovered. So calculus them math. Exactly. So calculus.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

Almost like modern maths.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Modern maths. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

So what Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

They would have had maths, but this is actual calculus.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

So Harvard was Harvard was um founded in 1636. And calculus wasn't really a thing until uh post-Cambridge and Oxford then. Post Cambridge and Oxford, yeah. Yeah, well America was I know it was young.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Was the 1680s, so it wasn't until 30 years later, 34 years later.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

So calculus came after Harvard. Yes. Mad.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

Yeah. And have you ever heard of the Oregon Oregon Trail? So it's where people were migrating across America and they would go down the Oregon Trail.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

So Oregon, the state of Oregon. The state of Oregon. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

So this was 1843.

unknown 18:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

Right? Yep.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Fax machines were a thing during that period.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

In 1843?

SPEAKER_00 18:47

1843, fax machines were a thing.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

How how does one fax?

SPEAKER_00 18:52

Well it's like telegrams and so it's like sending sending through th through the telephone wire.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Okay, so modern day fax is not through the telephone wire, presumably it's through an Ethernet cable.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

I don't know how fax machines work. To be honest, it's it's bitterly that missed me can believe.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

No one uses fax machines anymore.

SPEAKER_02 19:09

I don't think they ever did. Because I know what a franking machine is, and I've used a franking machine.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

I used to use fax machines. Well I when I worked well where I used to work years and years ago, we had fax. We would send faxes between stores.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

So is fax like what email could have was the Well essentially sending documents over the phone.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:33

Yeah. So it's sending a PDF.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

Yeah. So yeah, instead of sending it over the interwebs, you send it via fax. You send documents via fax machine.

SPEAKER_02 19:40

Whoever invented email was I know.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

The absolute I saw something about that the other day actually, about the guy who invented the at for email.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Oh yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

Yeah, because it was he when when he did a new symbol, isn't it? Yeah, well that's exactly it. He looked at the keyboard and thought, right, what symbol does no one really use? And it was the at. Right. And he was up well okay, well I'll use that for uh for email.

SPEAKER_02 20:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

And that's probably the most used symbol.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

I assumed that at was invented for email, not the other way around. I wouldn't uh why was there an at symbol before email?

SPEAKER_00 20:12

Well that was it. Right. So It was a symbol that was on the keyboard, but no one really used it.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

What interests me about at, and I'd like to look into this further at some point, not right now. Yeah. But you've got A, yeah letter.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Ampersand, which is also technically an A, because it's and then you've got the at symbol. Why do they all why are they all A's?

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Because it's lazy as the first letter of the alphabet, isn't it?

unknown 20:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

Yeah. I I watched this, recently watched this little clip of a man who was the guy who decided what colour hyperlinks were gonna be. Mm-hmm. And they were like, Yeah, why'd you choose blue? And he was like, Stood out on the page, but that was it. That was just his reasoning. And he was just, I like blue, stood out in the paper. Bob Trunk or Fanny Durant. Simple. Yeah.

unknown 20:54

There we go.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

There you go. Yeah. So do you know what year public hangings ended?

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Public what?

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Public hangings.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Oh, hanging. Hanging.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

Public. Public hangings.

SPEAKER_02 21:05

Unfortunately, it's gonna be So hang on, hang on, hang on. Let's think about this. Let's think about this. Right, Parliament. Mm-hmm. You've got Guy Fawkes.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

He was hung, drawn, and courted. Drawn and cord. Yeah. Hung, drawn and cord.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Hung drawn and cord. Shall you say it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Um which was what was when was the revolution? Oh, did it were they hang in the 19th? 1910.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Ooh, 1868. 1868.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

I overscooped it because I thought it was going to be late. That is still very late.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

That is still very late.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

That is modern day.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Hanging people in public.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

Ugh.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

The gallows.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

Did you know that colour photographs came before the telephone?

SPEAKER_02 21:51

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

So colour photographs.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Alexander Bell was the inventor of the photograph.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

The telephone, yeah, 1876. But we discovered we we started making colour photographs in 1861.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

That's that is okay. So we were already documenting things in colour.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Yeah. Before we could ring anybody and tell them about it.

SPEAKER_02 22:11

Yeah, that's what I was just about to say. Like damn, that's a shocking one.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

Colour photos development came before the telephone. Mad. Did you know? Were you impressed that I knew who invented the telephone, by the way? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Okay, Alexander. Give them a bell. Give him a bell. So did you know that plastic was invented before pens? So plastic. We invented plastic in 1856.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Yeah, and I can kind of believe that because because uh a non-modern day pen is a quill, right? Which would have been a feather.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

Because it held ink because it was hollow and could hold the ink a little while while you wrote.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

And then calligraphy pens, or not pens, maybe right wrong word, but calligraphy instruments were normally charcoal.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

So that doesn't surprise me as much. When was plastic invented?

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Plastic was invented in 1856. 1856. I've got a turtle fact down here as well. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 23:11

Yeah, save the turtle, save the world.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

Yeah. Save the cheerleader, save the world. Where is my turtle fact? I know I put a turtle fact in there. Oh, actually, did you know, actually, that Darwin, this is a turtle, I didn't write it down, but this is a turn. Charles Darwin? Charles Darwin, because there is a fact about Darwin that I'm now going to say. Charles Darwin and um what's his name? The Australian guy who looked after all the animals. Oh god, died with matter raid. Steve Irwin. Steve Irwin owned the same tortoise.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

Galileo.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:42

They owned the same tortoise.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Yes. Is that old?

SPEAKER_02 23:46

I mean, does his son now own the tortoise?

SPEAKER_00 23:49

I don't know if it's I think I don't know actually. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

Because tortoises they live a long time.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

They live a long, long time.

SPEAKER_02 23:54

They're long boys.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Yeah. But Darwin, Charles Darwin, was alive the same time as Pablo Picasso. They overlapped.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

I feel like Darwin's not as old as I think he is. When was Darwin born?

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Dar Darwin was around 1881. There was no there's a there was a gap of of two years where Darwin and Picasso, it was 1881 and 1882, Darwin and Picasso were both alive.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

So Picasso is younger?

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 24:19

Oh, okay. Yeah, no, uh that that one doesn't strike me as that old.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

So Darwin Darwin was still alive when Picasso was a baby.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

Yeah. Yeah? Yeah, I'm okay with that. You're okay with that? Yeah. Yeah, that doesn't that doesn't surprise me too much.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Um Shakespeare and the true story of Pocahontas happened at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 24:36

Bullshit. That is bullshit.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

Nope. Straight up.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

So John Smith.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

John Smith and the story of Pocahontas was during the Shakespearean time. Yeah, 1500s.

SPEAKER_02 24:50

Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Mm-hmm. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

I feel like Pocahontas happened way before that.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

No. No. Seriously.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

Oh, Billy Shakspeare.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

Uh Willy Wobblestick.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Willie Wobblestick. Benedict Cumberbun. Benny Cumber Snurch. It's the same thing. Yeah. It's the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Yeah, that one I'm really struggling to believe.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

Yeah, but it's true. Absolutely true.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

No.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

And did you know that Van Gogh is it? Van Gogh and the Eiffel Tower were at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

When was the construction of the F Tower?

SPEAKER_00 25:29

It was 1889.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

1889.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:32

1889.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

Yeah, I can believe that one. Believe that one? Yeah, that's okay. I'm okay with that fact.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

This one is insane.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

What a coinky dink.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Charlie Chaplin and Adolf Hitler were born in the same week.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

So they were the same age?

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Yeah, 1889, they were born.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

So I thought Charlie Chaplin was so much older than that. Is Charlie Chaplin in the 1920s then?

SPEAKER_00 25:54

Charlie Chaplin was, yeah, silent movies, wasn't it? Yeah, it's in the 1920s, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

And Hitler would have been i in uni at that point, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:01

Or trying to get into art school.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

Yeah, because the Second World War was 1940.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

39. 39. Second World War.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Uh he said 46. Was that when it ended?

SPEAKER_00 26:10

Uh 45 was when it ended. 45, sorry. 45 was when it ended.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Rubbish at things.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

So going back to I thought he was older than that. A chaplain.

SPEAKER_00 26:21

No, that's how old he was.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

But that makes sense because yeah, he was about yeah, yeah, I think if I thought about it, it's not not as bad.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

But I did think he was perhaps younger than that.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

Yeah. Um, did you know that the Ottoman Empire and Disney existed at the same time?

SPEAKER_02 26:39

So Disney was founded in 22, 1922.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

1922. So it's the hundred Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire was very much around sort of I think that was the Ottoman Empire.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

When was the fall of the British Empire?

SPEAKER_00 26:53

We're still falling.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

Yeah. You're not wrong. You're not wrong.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Did you know as well that that electric cars, okay, early electric cars, existed at the same time as the Titanic. We were looking at electric cars back then.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

Nah, bro.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

So Titanic was 1918?

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

Am I right?

SPEAKER_00 27:20

Uh 1912, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 27:23

Oh, nineteen twelve.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

Titanic?

SPEAKER_02 27:25

Oh yeah, because it was the first world war. Just before the world war. I only knew that because of Inspectacles, which was set before both of those. Talk about, oh the Great War, that will never happen, and the unsinkable ship.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

I've got and I've got some funny ones at the end here. Uh so did you know that the Ming Dynasty, so the Chinese Ming Dynasty, was around at the same time as Leonardo da Vinci.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

Leonardo da Vinci remind me of the dates he painted the Sistine Chapel, right? That was him?

SPEAKER_00 27:57

Yeah, no, he was Leonardo da Vinci was 1452 to 1590.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Oh no, Da Vinci's the the man.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

No Da Vinci is Sistine.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

Oh, he's Sistine Chapel with the U. With the what? With the Wait, isn't it more like you're down? Yeah. Point down. Our recreation of the Sistine Chapel. Does that make me god?

SPEAKER_00 28:18

Oh dear lord. Uh so right, Betty White. You know Betty White?

SPEAKER_02 28:24

I know Betty White.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Betty White.

SPEAKER_02 28:26

She's dead now.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Betty White is older than sliced bread.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

I mean she's dead now, but she's in that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

So Betty White was born in 1922. Sliced bread wasn't invented until 1928.

SPEAKER_02 28:42

I think that means that mum will have to correct me, but I'm pretty certain Great Nana would have been older than sliced bread.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

She would have been older than sliced bread, yes.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

Isn't Nana Brenda what year would she be?

SPEAKER_00 28:54

No, she's 30s, 1930s. Oh, she's seven.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

So this is a fact that she's only ever known sliced bread in her life.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

She's only ever known sliced bread. This is a fact that you mentioned earlier.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

The guillotine.

SPEAKER_02 29:05

Oh yes.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Yeah. The last guillotine was 1977, same year Star Wars came out.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

You were alive.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

I was alive.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

You were alive for two years.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Yes. I was two years old the last time somebody got guillotined in France.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

You you could have been guillotined.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

I could well well no, because I'm wasn't in France and I was two. Well maybe you But there is another known fact about that. Christopher Lee was there.

SPEAKER_02 29:35

As in as in Superman.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

No, that's Christopher Reeve.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

Who's Christopher Lee?

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Dracula. The original Dracula.

SPEAKER_02 29:43

And also he was there.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

He was there.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Did you get a ticket to go?

SPEAKER_00 29:46

He was there.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Why would you go?

SPEAKER_00 29:48

Well, Christopher Lee. Do you know what? I think we should we should do a podcast on Christopher Lee episode because he is nuts, right? Okay. So he did some clandestine shit during the war.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

As in like so you know, because he plays Saruman in Lord of the Rings?

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

Yeah, okay. Yeah, he plays Saruman in Lord of the Rings. And there's a really there's a really famous interview with with with Christopher Lee and also Peter Jackson. And because Saruman gets stabbed in the back.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

Right? And Peter Jackson goes to him and goes, No, make more noise. You know, make go like and Christopher Lee says, Do you know, Peter, what a man sounds like when he really is stabbed in the back? And Peter was like, look, and he went, I do. It's like, Jesus. He was during the Second World War, Christopher Lee, he did some really kind of secret spy shit across the Is he like shady AF? No, he's not. He is an amazing, remarkable man. Okay. Right? Because when you think of his cousin, right, was Ian Fleming, the writer of the James Bond stories, he was like, hang on a minute. Did he base those stories on Christopher Lee?

SPEAKER_02 30:55

Damn. Right? That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

Yeah. And also Christopher Lee is Does he also like the number seven? He's an actor. He's an amazing actor. And he was also in a death metal band in his 70s.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

In his 70s.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

In his 70s.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

Pretty rockin' man. Yeah. What was the what was the band called?

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Uh I can't remember. But there's yeah, he is an amazing character. And he's also, you know, he's in the like he played Dracula, all hammer films, he was in all of those. Amazing, amazing guy.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

But yeah, he was actually at that weird thing to to go to. I guess because it's the last one, but I don't think I could that last one. You know, I'm never gonna see it again, are you? So I might as well see the most gruesome thing I'm ever gonna see in my life. I'll go because it's the last one.

Modernity’s Strange Timing

SPEAKER_00 31:42

Yeah. You the this one will get you angry, probably. But we Alexandria. No, we actually landed on the moon before women were able to vote in Switzerland.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

Doesn't frickin' surprise me, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 31:57

There we go.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

In Switzerland?

SPEAKER_00 31:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

1960.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Uh that was nineteen. So we went to the moon in 1969 and Swiss women couldn't uh vote until 1971.

SPEAKER_02 32:10

Just before your mum was born?

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Just before mum was born. Okay. Yeah, yeah before your mum was born. There we go.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

We got man on the moon before we gave women any right to say in anything.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Um we don't live in a in a bad society.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

Uh Coca-Cola? What year do you think Coca-Cola was invented?

SPEAKER_02 32:31

It feels like a Victorian thing. 1904.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

1865.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Oh, oh wait on a couple.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

Do you remember early Coca-Cola as well had cocaine in it?

SPEAKER_02 32:43

Yeah, cocaine.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

Cocaine.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

Cocaine. Is that why it's so addictive?

SPEAKER_00 32:47

Yes, the Colombian marching powder.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Cocaine.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Mm-hmm. The booger sugar.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

The booger sugar. Is that why it was called Coke?

SPEAKER_00 32:56

It was why it's called Coke. Coca. Coca, cocaine.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

I thought it was coca as in cocaine.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

No. No.

unknown 33:02

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Yeah, and so yeah, that was 1865.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

I did hear this weird fact once that there are only two people that know the recipe for Coca-Cola and they're not allowed on the same plane. Do you know about that? Yeah, I've heard that. Something like that. Yeah, in case someone one of them dies.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Yeah. But I mean That's gotta be.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

They could die anyway. At any point.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

They always gotta be two people that only know. What's the secret ingredient? Love. They're like, oh okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

The secret ingredient is love.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

It's always love. It's made of love.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

I did write it as the very last fact.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

As the very last fact, I wrote Charles Darwin and Steve Irwin owned the same tortoise called Harriet.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

Oh, Harriet. No, Harriet Harriet.

SPEAKER_00 33:51

Yeah, Harriet. So there you go.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

Is it from the Galopolopalopolis Islands?

SPEAKER_00 33:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 33:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

Yeah. So what do you think?

SPEAKER_02 33:59

Coinky dinks.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

Coinky dinks?

SPEAKER_02 34:01

Yeah. Some of them were unsurprising. Yeah. I think the William Shakespeare one. I can't remember what you call it.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Pocontis.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Pocont. Yeah, that I thought Pocontus' story would have been, or what it was based on, would have been way, way before that. But I guess not though, because it I think if you really think about it, like it seems shocking initially, but when you really think about it, you're like, well, actually, yeah, because the story of Pocontis is when like basically the British and the Americans took over uh Native American colonies, right? That's that's the whole thing. So it doesn't it shouldn't really surprise me that that happened in the time of Shakespeare. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

In fact, there was one that I I missed one. I missed I just scrolled back up because I was going to ask you which ones, which one did you find probably the the most insane? And I probably missed the most what I what I thought was the most insane one is that people you know I mentioned about Cleopatra and the pyramids and the moon landing. Did you know as well, this final one, that people were building the great pyramids whilst mammoths were still wandering around? Woolly mammoths.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

That is mad. I I I don't know why, but in my head, mammoths were extinct before humans were on this earth for some reason.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

That's always been the time frame in my head, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

Yeah, which means that the dodos must have been way before that.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

The one thing that I that I you haven't mentioned that I I think I know as a fact, I'm pretty certain, is that Anne Frank and Martin Luther King Jr. were born in the same year.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

And I think that one is so surprising because you always think of Anne Frank as a as a little girl, because obviously that's until she survived him. Yeah, to think that they were born in the same year or same week, I can't remember, something something silly like that. And you think of Martin Luther King being so modern, it's just mad to me. That's that's one of them really crazy, crazy ones where your absence my absence of time is yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

Well, did you know as well that Marilyn Monroe and Queen Elizabeth II were born in the same year as well?

SPEAKER_02 36:02

They were, weren't they? Because didn't they isn't there a picture of them meeting at Buckingham Palace? And it's like a really cute like little exchange.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

I also recently learned because I I I do um research a lot into Princess Diana for some reason it's the conspiracy theory that seems to stick with me the most.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

Fia Uno.

Final Shockers And Language Origins

SPEAKER_02 36:18

Yeah. Um apparently Princess Diana met Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson has a song called Dirty Diana, right? Yes. And he uh they mentioned something and uh and they were talking to each other, and apparently the exchange went, he went something along the lines of um, oh uh she asked, Are you doing dirty Diana? She he said no, respectfully, I didn't want you know there to be any any connotations with you. And she was like, Oh, it's my favourite one. How cool is that? She's like the coolest, yeah. Like down to earth. She was like, Oh, that's my favourite, like you know, like it did it it's one of those times where I I think we um we're oversensitive to those things and yeah, think, oh, people might be offended by this, and oh no, that's that's not good or like this. But the person that would of course offence was never asked, or exactly you know, was never uh never considered, and she was like, Oh, it's my favourite one. Like she could probably understand why he done it, but also you know, she clearly didn't care, like it didn't bother her.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

Yeah, recently Well, it's the whole thing about being offended, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 37:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

It's like you know, you can it's I I find it actually quite offensive to pre-judge that they're gonna be offended by that someone's gonna be offended by it.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

And if they are, they'll politely tell you, or maybe not politely tell you, but they'll you'll know.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

But offence is subjective, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 37:32

I think it is. I think it's completely subjective.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

I mean, nothing nothing really offends me.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

No. No, but there would be something that probably offends me.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

There probably might be something that might offend me, but I won't know it until it does.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:43

You know, but to have to come from a starting position of, oh, I'm already going to be offended by something is no. Yeah. Sort it out. Sort it out. Anyway, which which one, thinking about some of those, which one do you think was the the craziest?

SPEAKER_02 37:58

I think honestly, Shakespeare, Shakespeare and the Pocona story doesn't seem like they would be at the same time. Pocotner's story feels like it would be way before that. But sometimes I f also forget how old William Shakespeare is. Yeah. I think because his work is so well regarded and so well known.

SPEAKER_00 38:15

He invented so many words.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

He invented words. The story of Romeo and Juliet is retold over multiple films.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

Yeah. Um and in different different incantations. Yeah, in context. Yeah, like West Side's story is Romeo and Juliet.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

People have modernised it, people have stuck to the roots, you know. It's it it that's not the only story. Othello, the whole Igo eago um being the one, and that's basically Disney's Aladdin. Yeah. Uh even using some of the same names, but just put it into Aladdin terms, and the genie in the lamp is a bit different, but that's basically Othello. Like the, you know, there's just so many there's there's so many nods to uh Shakespeare's work that sometimes I forget how old he is.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

Yeah, and he was an absolute genius.

SPEAKER_02 39:01

Oh, clearly, yeah, clearly.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

I mean I mean, well, you know, I'd done a few Shakespeare plays when I was at school and at college.

SPEAKER_02 39:07

Have I ever told you the fact about where we get the phrase to steal one's thunder? So you stole my thunder. So it's not Shakespearean, but it just reminded me of that, and I think it's a nice fact to end on. So the reason we say you stole my thunder is because in theatre there was a guy who apparently wrote, and I can't remember what the guy's name, but apparently he wrote some pretty, pretty shoddy plays that didn't go down well. But what he was famous for was inventing the thunder machine.

SPEAKER_01 39:37

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

And it was like a machine that you like crank or something, and it makes the noise of thunder. And everyone was like, Wow, that's really cool. It sounds like thunder. And the next play to show after his, it didn't do very well. So someone else took over the the stage and programme, used his thunder machine. So he shouted, You stole my thunder. And that's how we got the phrase, you stole my thunder. He literally started. Stole this guy's thunder.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

Bloody hell.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

And apparently his plays were so much better. But yeah, but he used his thunder machine and he said you stole my thunder. Like shouted it out in the crowd. You stole my thunder. And that was how that phrase came about.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

How freaking cool is that?

SPEAKER_00 40:14

That's that's amazing. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 40:16

Well, anyway, if you enjoyed that fun fact, and uh you will enjoy some of our other episodes where we share a lot of fun facts, and this this one was about cool winky dinks.

SPEAKER_00 40:22

Cool winky dinks.

Wrap-Up And Listener Invite

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