From Wolves To Wovie : How Animals Became Family

Ever wondered why a dog seems to know when it’s 5 pm, or why a cat acts like it picked you, not the other way around? We unpack what truly makes a pet a pet—taming versus domestication—and trace how wolves warmed their way to the hearth while wildcats strolled into granaries and stayed. Along the way, we bring Wovie the cat into the spotlight, swap stories about loyal greeters and heat‑pad hoggers, and tap the science that explains why a simple cuddle can spike oxytocin on both sides of the leash.

We go beyond cosy anecdotes to tackle responsibility and ethics. Are breed bans missing the point when training and enrichment drive behaviour? How do we honour the intelligence of birds if we keep them indoors? What does good care look like for rodents, rabbits, or fish when “low maintenance” often means the opposite? Reptiles and spiders split us—fear versus fascination—so we explore how husbandry and honest self‑knowledge should guide whether you keep them at all. We also sit with grief, because losing a pet can feel like losing a limb; rescue tales remind us healing is possible, but only when the home, time and patience match the animal’s needs.

Looking ahead, we weigh AI companions and robot “pets” against the living warmth and delightful chaos of real animals. If you’re planning for a future dog or cat, we share practical filters—space, stairs, allergies, mobility, energy levels, reputable rescues or ethical breeders—and why training and routine matter more than Instagram aesthetics. Whether you’re team whiskers, wagging tail, feathers, or scales, this is a loving, clear‑eyed guide to choosing well, caring deeply, and celebrating the bonds that make our houses feel like homes. Enjoy the conversation—and if it resonates, subscribe, share with a fellow animal lover, and leave a quick review to help others find the show.

Transcript

Setting The Scene And Wovy

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Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad.

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Bonus Daughter, a special father-daughter podcast with me, Hannah.

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And me, Davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories within our ever-changing and complex world.

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Via email, Instagram, Facebook, or TikTok. Links in bio.

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Do you know what? I'll just realize we start every episode now with either me or you laughing. And but what we're actually laughing at is the clapperboard. And it just doesn't get old.

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It does not get old. It's so good. It's so good.

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So funny.

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So this episode is all about. Is this a very special episode, Hannah? Oh. Welcome to Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter. We have a very special episode today where we introduced Wovey the Cat. Hello, Wovey the Cat.

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Is she in frame? Is she in frame?

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Don't think so.

What Makes A Pet A Pet

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No, because today. She's chilling. She's chillin', yeah. Today we are talking all about pets.

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Oh, pets. We have covered pets in a family episode.

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We have, but I thought we'd do a dedicated episode.

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Dedicated episode to our furry loved ones.

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Yes. Not necessarily just furry. Because people have all sorts of pets.

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Yes.

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Yes, and we'll come on to some of the more exotic pets.

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Yes. And we have a friend who has a fairly exotic pet.

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Do we?

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I was sent a picture of them watching Supernatural the other day.

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Who who Oh we do? We do. Yes, I was sent a picture of the said pet watching Supernatural as well, and they were transfixed to the city.

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They were transfixed on but because who wouldn't be transfixed? On Jensen Accles or Jared Pavlecki or Misha Collins, or Rowena, because we all fancy Rowena as well, let's be honest. Or and and and and and uh Oh we just did the episode on witchcraft.

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We never mentioned Rowena.

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Can't believe that. What's um what's what's the lady who in Supernatural who is um she does DD in real life as well. Day.

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Oh Charlie Day.

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Charlie Day.

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No, it's not Charlie Day, is it? Charlie Day. Um it's Felicia. Felicia Day. Felicia Day. She's Charlie in Supernatural.

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She is Charlie in Supernatural.

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But she's yeah.

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And Charlie Day is a character in Always Sunny.

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It's always sunny. I quoted It's Always Sunny the other day and to your mum, but of course she's never seen it, so it was completely lost on her.

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She does know the dayman thing, though.

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She does know the dayman thing.

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Who doesn't know the dayman thing?

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Dayman. Oh Fighter of the Night Man. Oh Champion of the Sun. Oh Master of Karate and Friendship for Everyone. Dayman. Oh Fighter of the Night Man. Oh Champion of the Sun. Oh Master of Karate and Friendship for Everyone. Do you know what's really sad about that?

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I do know the sad thing about that.

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That's actually true. That's what he had to deal with when he was growing up.

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Yeah, that is awful.

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And to actually write that episode must have been painful.

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Or cathartic.

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Or very cathartic for him. Very cathartic for him. There's a there's a band called Bumpin' Ugglies, and they're a scar punk band. Oh yes. And they did a scar punk version of Dayman, and it is it is amazing. It is so good. It's so good. Um so anyway, pets. Oh dear lord. So what is a pet, essentially?

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A pet is a human companion.

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It is, but what what careful with her, bless her.

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She's alright.

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Oh bless her, love her.

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This is a pet. This is an example of a pet. I'm sorry for the audio listeners because I don't even think you can hear her purring.

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Is she purring? Oh, bless her. So basically, what a pet is is a domesticated animal.

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Are you a domesticated domestic? Is it domesticated? Yeah. Try to domesticate you, but you're an animal, baby, it's in your nature. Didn't think Robin Thick would come out of me today, but here we are.

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Exactly. So domestication is basic well, you could ask, you could argue, couldn't you, is that you got like a domesticated or is it tamed? And they're two completely different things. Because taming is teaching an individual or an animal to behave, whereas domestication is a long-term genetic evolution across generations.

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I would say wovey is domesticated.

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Not tamed. No. Cats genuinely aren't, are they?

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She doesn't do anything.

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Cats don't have owners, dogs have owners, but cats, they we they own us.

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I th I totally agree with that. This is Wovy's world, we're just living in it.

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Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So over you know, over over the years, in fact, there's a guy called after your little rant about the name Alex, I think his name is Alex.

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I'm okay with Alex, it's Alexandria. That's that's the annoying part.

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He's uh he is a TikToker, right, and he's a YouTuber. I can't remember his name now. No, Adrian. Adrian, I think his name is.

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Oh, Adrian.

Dogs: Origins, Loyalty, And Training

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Adrian, and he wrote a book just recently called The Greatest Nobodies of History, and I've been listening to it as an audiobook, but it's brilliant. But he does these jokey kind of like little TikTok videos on history and things, and he does this really good one where he's dressed up as a dinosaur. All right, right, and he's standing there and he plays all the characters, right? And he's he's quite sort of uh I'll I'll have to send you some of the videos, but there's one bit where he's dressed up like a dinosaur, and then he sees himself, right? He comes up to him and goes, So are you ready to um meet your ancestor? Or you know, what you what you evolve into, and the dinosaur's like, Yeah, okay, you know, I can't wait to see what you know what creature there is millions of years from now. What we're gonna do. And he goes, and here is what you evolve into. And as the dinosaur goes, What's that? Well, it's a chicken. What? So, yeah, this is what you evolve into. You evolve into this. Well, I'm not happy about that. But it's it's really funny. But that's that's essentially what is known as being the they are related, they're dinosaur related dinosaurs.

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I thought like alligators and crocodiles were.

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So it is, you know, it's it's that a evolution, and you say argue that that's what's happened to pets is that over time they bump become domesticated and they actually evolved into things because they've got like you know floppy ears, smaller snouts, smaller teeth.

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They've got cuter juvenile behaviour.

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They wouldn't survive out in the wild well, cats probably would, but a lot mostly.

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I bloody well would, Grandpa. Look at their minds. How can you say that?

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There is the theory actually that we didn't d just domesticate animals, we actually co-evolved with them.

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Yeah. You know, we we I mean, dog is always known as man's best friend, right?

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Well, exactly. Exactly. Let's actually so let's talk about dogs. Let's talk about dogs. Let's talk about dogs.

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I want a dog.

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Yes, I have a dog.

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You have a dog. I want a dog because I cannot commit to a child.

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Yeah. And I feel like dog's the next best thing.

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Yeah. Yeah. Because a dog, what, they live to at best 13, 14?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Maybe as as far as 18 years.

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Look at Archie. Archie's now, what, eleven?

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Yeah. And he's still big grey, but he's still got a lot of life in it. He is, and he's, you know, Because you've looked after him well and you've yeah, you've been good good parents.

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Yeah, we feed him raw food. Although, although, because we've been ill lately.

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Um Has he been having McDonald's?

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No, no, he hasn't been having McDonald's, no. He's been he's been having but we haven't been taking him out as much as we should do.

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Mm-hmm.

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And his action his nails have actually grown. Oh, I bet, yeah, because he's not pouring them out on the pouring them out as much. So the other day, Sharon did actually just try and cut his nails, but she felt really bad because he he doesn't like it. He doesn't like it. So she did she's done his front paws, but she hasn't done his back paws.

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Oh bless him.

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Yeah. But yeah, talk about dogs. So dogs is known as man's best friend.

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Yes.

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Yeah. Um, and the origin is the you know, they they've kind of evolved from wolves essentially.

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Yeah.

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And they were domesticated between between 20,000 and 40,000 years ago, before kind of any kind of any kind of agriculture. In fact, there's that film, isn't there? Who've seen that? Where they they they actually do the should it be anything. I know where that but where they do the story as though the first time a dog get a wolf gets domesticated by a human. I can't remember the name of the film, but it's brilliant. It's it's basically it's like cavemen, uh, and they they go out on a hunting party and they get attacked by wolves, and the the boy survives, and one of the wolves survives, but they're both injured, and they end up in a cave together, and you know, it takes him a little bit of time to get to the wolf, and he ends up mending the wolf and the wolf, and he ends up and this it's a lovely story, it's a great film, and ends up with you know, the him you know becoming man's first best friend.

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Yeah, that's cool.

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It's really but then the final scene is like a couple of years later where his entire tribe, each of them, has got a wolf with them. You know, it's sort of like the whole domestication type thing.

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Because I guess I guess you uh they could help each other out like they're guard dogs, they've got better hearing, but they don't have the same kind of prowess, I guess, as a human to be able to fight, I guess. So yeah, I mean evolving together makes sense. I think I think with dogs in particular, they're very they're very loyal creatures, very loyal to their owners. And I don't I don't agree with uh banning certain dog breeds, and I and I've really I know that's a very controversial thing to say, but I don't agree with it because I feel like the dog, while it may have some innate uh primitive, whatever you want to call them, traits.

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Is learned behaviour.

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I think a lot of it is learned. I think I think the reason, say, bullies, for example, or what's the Sorry, I'm just I'm just looking at Wovey down there as though she's listening to what we're saying, as though to say, I might actually be interested in this one. Yeah, she's she's sticking around. But I feel like with dogs, I don't I don't always think it's the breed that's the issue. I think it's the owner, and I think there are certain dogs that are not not kept well.

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And well, it is kind of known that dogs have evolved to read humans' emotions. Um, you know, facial expressions, gestures, even better than what some say like chimpanzees or monkeys can.

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Yeah, because most guide dogs are are trained via hand signals. Yeah. Um, so they know sign language.

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Yeah.

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They I guess they can't I guess the terminology of speaking, they can't speak to us, but they definitely understand at least what we want them to do.

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Do you know what gets me about Archie as well, and this is the same with other dogs, is that their their ability to know what time it is. Because guarantee you, dead on five o'clock, like dead on five o'clock, he's there, he's looking at me with his ears back, as I'd say, Come on, I'm hungry.

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Yeah. I I also think pets and well, particularly cats, I mean, a lot of people say, Oh, cats don't really care about people, which is true, they don't. They're they're they're their own entity, really. But because we both work from home, if we both go out and come back, she's waiting at the top of the stairs. She's like, heck are you guys been? Because we were always at home. So she knows like something's happening. Or when we I I tend to find that she's very, very like loving towards us when we're like packing for holiday.

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It's almost like she knows we have to hide it from Archie because he gets depressed.

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Yeah, well, I don't think she gets depressed, she's like, Oh, oh, and she tries to get into the case whenever I'm like packing it, and she's like, Oh, something's happening. Like, she she knows that there's something that's slightly more obscure.

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Um Yeah, if Archie sees the suitcase, he doesn't like it, he gets he gets really, really, really depressed.

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He always gets well looked after.

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Yeah, I know. He always goes on holiday somewhere as well. Yeah, because he stays with someone. Yeah, but yeah. Did you know as well that oxytocin, which is known as the love hormone, actually does increase in both humans and dogs during affectionate interaction? Because you're right, there's nothing there's nothing better than when you get home from work and open the door and he's there and he's just looking at you. Yeah, he's just so happy to see you.

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As someone that works from home, there is nothing I've got a heat pad recently. I've got a heat pad for Christmas, which she absolutely loves. I've got the heat pad on my thing, she'll come up. Like I had the heat pad like a kind of up like this, yeah, over my chest. Like she was trying to sit up here. I was like, there's not I mean, there is a lot of space there, my friend, but like there's also like you can't sit there. Like, yeah, she just tries to get all up in your grill. But I sometimes think that tries to get all up in your grill. Yeah, all up in your George Foreman. But I feel like she just kind of I don't know, she likes warmth. Yeah, and Mitchell is a radiator, so she does tend to like him more, which is very frustrating. Yeah, um, because she was well, she wasn't bought for me, the first cat, I guess, was Mitzi was. But bloody hell does it hurt when they go, you know, it's the it's they do become a part of your family, and it I think it's so silly when people are like, Oh, I can't believe you're crying over a cat or a dog.

Grief, Rescue Stories, And Family Bonds

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It's like they are your family, like it's I had this I had this discussion the other day because it's like when I remember when I was quite young, and I you know, don't get me wrong, my my granddad had dogs, and you know, my dad had dogs when I was growing, so we've always the Labradors have always been there because my granddad as Sid he had minor and major, two Labradors, but my grand but my granddad, he was very much the dogs were kind of working dogs, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, because had the farm and he was uh you can't get too attached to a working dog. You know, but to me they would still I I remember you know playing with major and minor when I was when I was younger. Um, but you know, never had really had a dog. We had cats when we were growing up, but it's only you know, I remember somebody uh when I watched the Tesco's, I think it was, uh their dog died, and they said, I'm not coming to it. And I was like, Really? It's just a dog. But now but then when I had a dog, it's like, trust me, like you'd die for that dog. Yeah, you'd die for that. Absolutely, yeah. I mean, look, when Lily died, because we had a rescue dog, Lily, I was heartbroken. Yeah. Absolutely heartbroken when she died.

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Yeah, that was a that was a tough one.

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Yeah, yeah, that was that was really hard. Um, but you know, dogs have kind of like when they first started off, like in that film, they were they were again like working dogs. It was like they were hunters or they helped people hunt. They were they were guard dogs, they would, you know, look at the look at the um, you know, the huskies pulling sleds. Yeah you know, they they they they were also a not a tool, a tool's the wrong word, but they they assisted with society, yeah, with human society.

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They were they were certainly an assist, yeah, to help each other out.

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But now, like you've just said, they're part of the family. Yeah, yeah, they're absolutely yeah. I mean, and and the amount of oh god, you know, like the amount of social media accounts that you've got.

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Yep, people have their own uh Lewis Hamilton has or had that's really sad, his dog has recently died, but he had an account for Roscoe, and he uh Roscoe had more followers than Lewis Hamilton. I can't remember what which way around it was, but yeah. It's like because people relate to like wanna a dog even though that account is run by a human, yeah, there is that kind of personification of that animal. Like I Rovey has a personality, like I'm I will fight I it's a hill I'm willing to die on. She has a personality, and I will not say, you know, I cannot say that anyone to say she hasn't got a personality would be so wrong. Because she does. Yeah, no, exactly what well Mitchell knows better, but her body language is easy to read, like she's you know, she's she does. She's she's cheeky little bugger.

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Well, you know, that we talk about so like Henry Cavill, his dog Cal. You know, it's his his dog's almost as famous as what Henry Cavill is. Yeah. And then you you look at uh look at other uh other people like Tom Hardy.

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Yeah.

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You know, he he volunteers at Batsy Dog's home. Ricky Gervais as well is a massive dog fan. You know, he he says he'd much prefers dogs over people.

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We um we watched the besi behind the scenes of Scrubs the other day. I can't remember what season, I want to say that's season four or five, and it was a really dog-friendly um set. They had all the dogs were all over the set, and lots of people like uh you the person that plays Dr. Kelso in it, he has a dog called Baxter, who's then in also in the show as well. Oh, yeah, it's just so cool. It's so cool.

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I do I absolutely love dogs.

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You are a dog person.

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I am a proper, proper dog person.

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See, I am a dog and cat person. I'm I'm I there are animals that I definitely wouldn't have in my house.

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We did have a cat, didn't we? We had Momo for a little while. We rescued her.

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And Mildred.

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Mildred, yeah.

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And uh Charlie.

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Yeah, oh god, that was so that was horrendous when I was to take Momo to the vets.

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Oh Mamo, yeah.

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Yeah, we're gonna take her to the vets.

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She was an old gal, that one.

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She was really old.

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She was fifteen plus, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she was she was really old. And then of course we had like Suki and Charlie.

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Suki, Charlie, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Both got hit by a car on the road.

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On the same bloody road.

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Same road, yeah.

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Same road.

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That's why the previous owners had a cat pen, didn't they?

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Yeah. Yeah. God, can you remember that morning? You knew, didn't you?

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I did know, yeah.

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You knew. Yeah. Because we put we pulled out of our house.

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You unfortunately gave the game away because you went like that.

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Yeah, because I saw Suki on the side of the road and I didn't say anything to you, did I?

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No, Suki was kind of my cat as well. I think I felt more for her death than I did Charlie's, because Charlie was didn't really like me that much. She only really liked Mum, didn't she?

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Yeah.

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She was a bit of an outdoor cat. Didn't really say boot or goose. Whereas this one, Lap C.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Oh, she's gonna be a sad one when she goes.

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Yeah.

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So do you know where cats actually came from? I'm gonna guess Egypt.

Cats: Self‑Domestication And Culture

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Oh, kinda, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it is Africa. Yeah, I went. You know, Egypt is is North Africa. Um they called the the Latin name Phyllis Libica, and this African wild cat was the was the ancestor of today's domestic cat. And they were domesticated 9,000 years ago in the Middle East. Damn. Yep, and they're attracted to granarisa rodent control. So, yeah, your ancestors, what Wovi, used to kill all of the rats.

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She doesn't kill any rats now.

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Yeah.

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She's never bought a rat home.

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But I like this. This this little known fact that I found out is that unlike dogs, cats weren't trained.

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Oh, they are intelligent.

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They domesticated themselves through proximity. There's the difference. We actively trained dogs. Cats, we don't train their dogs.

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They just learned behaviour. No wonder they're like one into their own self, then, aren't they?

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Yeah. I mean, but you mentioned Egypt, they were worshipped in Egypt, um, mummified, and people were even punished for anyone who hurt a cat.

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Yeah, so they should. Cats are great.

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Um, in Asia and Europe, they became ship companions. So again, keep the rodents under control.

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Did you enjoy the boats, Wovy?

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Yeah.

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Did you enjoy the boots?

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Mm-hmm. Uh, but in medieval Europe, they were actually demonised during the plague.

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Demonised.

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They were, yeah, because of seeing these plague carriers. But the ironic thing is they were the ones that were killing the rats. Killing the rats. Which carried the plague.

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Did they get the plague? Did cats ever get the plague?

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I don't know, actually. I don't know.

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Is it a cross species thing like bird flu?

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Yeah. So sorry. Cat flu. Swine flu. Swine flu. So do you think you know so do you think that is a is a true thing to say is the fact that cats, you know, we we don't own cats. They're they're with us because they want to be.

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I like to think she chose me. Yeah. Yes. When we we got her at the Cat's Protection Centre when she was about four or five.

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Mm-hmm.

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And she they said that she was super timid and this, but when I got in there with her, she could not stop giving me love. And they were like, Wow, she's really. out of her shell and I was like, well she's gotta be my cat then isn't she? She chose me.

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Yeah.

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And Mitts Mitz not so much. Mitz was very um she was incredibly timid, so much so that if Mitchell was in the room she wasn't. Whereas this one is all over him.

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Yeah.

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She's supposed to be my cat, but she chooses him. Her favourite human.

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Yeah.

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And I'm just the secondary one. If he's not here she'll sit on me.

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Yeah.

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But if if if I don't exist when Mitchell's here, it's very sad. But that is life, isn't it?

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But we've spoken about obviously cats and dogs, but there are other forms of pets. There's birds. So Romans kept cage songbirds like starlings and parrots as well.

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Uh canaries were used in the mines.

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Yeah canaries used in the mines canaries are Norid Norwege Norgeness.

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Your dad and stepmum had a bird.

SPEAKER_04 20:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

Sammy?

SPEAKER_04 20:55

Sammy That was cute. Sibyl and there were two there were two love birds Sybil and Sammy.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

Oh I don't think I met Sibyl you never met Sybil Sibyl Sammy. Sammy used to sit on the fan and poo.

SPEAKER_04 21:04

Yes and you could put your hand out like that and Sammy would come and land on you. Okay. And you could even then just put him on your shoulder. Yes I used to love doing that. He would poo on you yeah he would poo on you. He's a little lovebird. Yeah but yeah you just put your hand up and so because actually that was what was really nice about my dad and my stepmum is the fact that yes Sammy and Sybil did have a cage but they allowed it to fly around the house.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

They they I don't ever remember them being in the cage.

SPEAKER_04 21:30

They only used to go in the cage at night sleep. Yeah I I don't know they would go themselves to sleep but they would yeah but they would fly around the cage I never remember them being in the cage at all.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

They were always out and about the house.

SPEAKER_04 21:41

Yeah. Um and then of course parrots because of course parrots mimic speech don't they yes yeah yeah they're very very clever they they say yeah complete mimics. Yes and then yeah you got budgies, finches, parrots so lots of birds people do have birds as pets. I don't know if I do tend to agree with it though because you know I struggle with birds.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

I feel like they should be th they have flight for a reason. Yeah it should be flight I don't know how I feel about caged birds in my opinion. Um yeah yeah that's a tricky one in my brain to comprehend.

SPEAKER_04 22:18

But then of course people do have some ro you know people do have rodents yeah guinea pigs, uh rats uh hamsters not sure how I feel about guinea pigs they're a bit weird aren't they? Where do guinea pigs live in the wild?

SPEAKER_02 22:31

Yeah yeah you don't see you just you never see a wild guinea pig.

SPEAKER_04 22:34

No and hamsters do hamsters live in the wild?

SPEAKER_02 22:37

I imagine so they're like a field mouse they're very similar. Guinea pigs to me just look like they've got a secret you know they're all hairy and you think what are you hiding under there? That's how I feel about guinea pigs I feel like they're hiding What are you hiding? What are you hiding? They're just fluffy they're just a fluffy loaf of bread. Do you do you think that one day they're just gonna like emerge from out of this fluff ball and they're gonna be like jacked up in their beast form yeah I feel like their beast form is like the most jacked thing just hidden under all the guinea pig fluff. Yeah I don't know how I feel about guinea pigs I will be honest. Yeah and then of course rabbits yeah rabbits um yeah again rabbits I don't know how I feel about them being caged either they're they're I think for me rabbits have always had a different they've never been I've never seen rabbits much as pets because Nana having all that land I just saw rabbits all the time. Yeah rabbits like wild wild rabbits all the time.

SPEAKER_04 23:29

Yeah chipmunks.

SPEAKER_02 23:30

She had chipmunks as well but yeah the the rabbits in particular I I for me they ne it never felt like a pet because they would they would have to oh this sounds awful they had to cull their yeah um how many of them there were because of one miximatosis so that's a that's a um an illness that they get when they go blind so it's really cruel you just need to put them out their misery but also to cull the population because breeding like rabbits is a true of them.

Birds, Rodents, And Ethical Questions

SPEAKER_04 24:03

No I I myself have had to euthanase shall we say some rabbits that have had mixematosis and it's not nice.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

It's really not nice. So I don't see I I don't think I could eat rabbit either. That's the thing like my my mind is like because I'm so used to seeing them like just being free in the field but also I know there's so many of them that I guess I understand why people eat them but I'm not sure I I could yeah I've I've never really I've never really don't think I've really eaten much game.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

No like like rabbits partridge um pheasant all that type of thing I mean my granddad my granddad yeah he was yeah he was didn't he used to like pick off roadkill off the off the road and eat it was that him that was him yeah didn't he like strap a deer to his like mobility scooter yeah yeah yeah okay he was yeah my granddad was was was genius I love my granddad that that was hilarious yeah he found um he was on his mo in on his mobility scooter which you know bearing in mind he he was very old like very old and he would motor around on this mobility scooter as well was the we nearly crashed into him once was the mobility scoot scooter modded so that he could go faster I I think it had been because this thing flew and I remember even I was on me and your mum were on our bikes and we were riding about and we came around the corner and there's my granddad coming at me on this mobility scooter like Jesus Christ grandad what are you doing like oh but no he had a cow yeah he had three adders that cow sorry that's a that's a family joke that is because he always used to go on about his cow that had three adders I love that cow I feel like he loved that cow more than his wife like my aunt well my nanny Dorian yeah yeah anyway yeah he yeah he had uh he had lots of animals my granddad um because he had a farm but then he sold the farm and ended up um buying a pub yeah um which was the walnut walnut tree shades in Norwich my granddad owned and that is on my birth certificate as my first place of residence tree shades yeah so yes so um but then moving on from the those kind of domesticated animals like the rabbits try to domesticate you know we've got the more exotic side exotic let's go I don't like the sexy voice you're putting on if I'm sorry sorry um gold yeah goldfish have you ever had a gold you have had you've had fish haven't you I had fish I had tropical fish did not have a goldfish no they're funny looking they are aren't they their eyes are a bit buggy aren't they let's be honest let's be honest they're not the most attractive fish no but they're like the most like that's the one in the movies the goldfish bowl yeah like it's in every Sims pack ever when you build a house there's a goldfish bowl situation yeah uh yeah I I mean I own fish but I I'm not sure I would ever own them again.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Lots of upkeep lots of cleaning lots of cleaning yeah and I could never get that siphon thing to work to actually get the water out.

SPEAKER_04 27:08

Did you had you had tropical fish didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 27:10

Yeah you didn't have the I originally had a tank that was supposed to be self-cleaning do you remember but then for some reason it either leaked or didn't work so I ended up getting a second tank which yeah I had had the fish food and stuff but I think they smell fish as well. Yeah they smell the water smells the fish smells it smells yeah I mean because goldfish are quite easy to keep but then you've got the tropical side of the fish it was heated it was heated and I had but they're prettier so you've got like guppies and pleco plecos are like you had a Japanese fighter fish no I didn't did you not no I didn't I had like a very very kind of fluury guppy but Japanese fighter fish they eat a lot of other fish so we didn't get those tetras they're cool they're like the the blue and red ones they're very patriotic fish yeah um and then I don't know just had loads of other little random things guamis yeah they're cute um mollies as well they're awesome but yeah loads of little tiny fish yeah but goldfish was actually bred in China a thousand years ago I I would have guessed symbols I would have guessed China because they're like the koi like the the koi fishing is like very part of their culture Japanese culture as well um yeah I would have guessed that it would be more Middle Eastern.

SPEAKER_04 28:27

Yeah but is it's the you know do you know that fish are actually now the most numerous pets in the world by number because of course people don't just have frickin' tiny you don't have just one fish you have to like 14 per later exactly exactly but then of course you move on to the reptiles and this is where start getting a little bit so I'm I'm okay I'm okay with turtles and snakes.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

I'm not okay with snakes at all I'm fine with snakes. I think snakes for me a lot of people are and I know we're gonna probably come on to arachnids at some stage I'm sure but I know you are not keen on spiders at all. I'd rather I'd rather be in the room with a thousand spiders than I would one snake.

SPEAKER_04 29:05

No no no absolutely not snakes on the other way on the other way.

SPEAKER_02 29:09

I know you are I know you are snakes for me I don't understand how you can't be scared of snakes most of them are either venomous some of them are constrictors so you're either going to die via oh my god my blood is gonna clot to no end I've seen it in the glass someone do it like they put the venom in a glass of blood and then the blood just basically goes into a clump. That scares the shit out of me. And then you've got snakes that are like oh I'm just gonna land on your neck and just strangle anacondas and both constrictors and pythons. Yeah my anaconda don't want none at all like I just I just it's not no I can't get behind snakes I'm so sorry I I'm I know people have them as pets I for me if if I went around someone's house and they're like oh yeah we haven't seen um old Gerald the snake for a while he hasn't been in his closure for a while I'd be like I'm sorry I'm out I'm out I'm so sorry I just I just can't I I think we all have our fears snakes are mine I'm so sorry I'm sure they're cute and I'm trying to I'm trying to I follow this guy I think his name is Monrose Lab and he's a really enthusiastic guy and and he breeds um he breeds snakes online he's so cool he's like steampunk he's got a bit he's he looks awesome and I'm trying to get over my fear of these danger noodles but I cannot he danger noodles danger noodles and he he talks about them and he handles them and he and he's so the no rope he is just so I'm trying to get over my fear of and he's like oh look at this beautiful snake and I'm like but I oh they just they yeah they I think the unpredictability of a snake is the most and don't even get me started on cobras. That's just a snake with added extras in it. It's like hi I'm I'm jazz hand snake.

SPEAKER_04 30:53

Yeah you've got rattlesnakes but you can hear them coming. Yeah exactly I feel like they're I mean but I mean in this country we don't have we well I mean adders are poisonous but they're not gonna kill you if they bite you.

SPEAKER_02 31:04

The fact that they're just oh they're poisonous but they won't kill you still alarm bells ring like it's still poison it's still gonna hurt you. Oh yeah you're not dead but maybe you're paralysed for frickin' years. I don't know snakes not my thing. I have seen the only time I've seen snakes in the wild is cycling and that's why I don't cycle anymore. I've gone off cycling because if I see a snake I'm not it's not they used to be in Wyndham a lot. They didn't on the back roads of Windham you'd be sick you'd be a lovely lovely day out on the side of grass snakes they're harmless.

SPEAKER_04 31:36

Grass snakes are harmless. But they get round your wheel and bite my ankle bite ya but then saying that I mean I'm saying that to you but of course spiders yeah I mean no just no what is it about a spider? They make my blood go cold is it the legs?

SPEAKER_02 31:53

I don't know what it is But you're not scared of caterpillars.

Fish, Reptiles, And Phobias

SPEAKER_04 31:55

No I'm not scared of caterpillars but if I see a spider I freeze I literally freeze and I'm terrified absolutely terrified what made you terrified has it has a spider ever bitten you landed on you I don't know it it's weird is Was your mum scared of spiders? No I'm literally the only one who's scared of spiders weird well I say that my brother and my brother and sister aren't aren't too keen on this but I got the blame for that because I apparently that was me giving well yeah to be fair you're bad at giving fears to people yeah I am yeah but I don't see how why anybody would want a spider as a pet as a pet why why that's true. I think they're not I mean some of these things some of these things fly.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

Yeah they're cute no they're not they're they're no different to a very very leggy squirrel no no they're not they're not cute at all I like there's a lady again online that I follow and she she like I think she breeds um black widow spiders. Jesus Christ so cute but they'll have you they'll kill you with their eyes and they're like yeah and then they'll have you they call black widow for a reason. Yeah to other spiders not to humans they they they sting you you'll die no they don't know you are you will not in the UK oh I have a fact for you though that you're not gonna like go on apparently daddy long legs are the most poisonous spider they can't pass your skin they but their their teeth are so dull that they can't pierce your skin and kill you. So what how do you imagine being like the most poisonous spider in a country and like haha but you can't deliver the poison.

SPEAKER_04 33:26

That sucks yeah that's like that's like evolution has gone ha ha sucker yeah exactly or not evidently yeah oh but then yeah lizards with lizards we do know we know somebody who are they lizards what are they classed as they're not iguanas are they iguanas I'm not sure they're not chameleons are they no they're dragons bearded dragons they're bearded dragons sorry Benji sorry Benji yeah but they're yeah bearded dragons oh um no I can't remember the names either he's he'll tell us he'll he'll text us he'll text us so then of course you've got the other side of the exotic pets which is when people start having lions and tigers and bears oh my lions and tigers and bears oh my um there was that horrible story of a woman that had was it a chimpanzee and it killed her yeah well well Michael Jackson had bubbles didn't he bubbles the the monkey was the guy um what's the guy was the monkey with the fez in in Friends that's like a well known acting monkey yeah yeah yeah yeah I can't remember the name of the monkey no I can't I I mean I don't know what this I don't even what know what his name is on Friends but that is like a really famous acting monkey I can't remember it's the same monkey isn't it in like a few films and stuff it's the same person. Yeah same in is it in that's a spider monkey night museum yeah that's in that yeah yeah it's a spider monkey it's known as a spider monkey monkey yeah um there is a little bit on here that I wrote about pet culture and pets and ancient civilizations but I think we've kind of covered that I think we've covered that yeah but it's quite interesting though when you think like when just covering say Egypt for example where they saw cats as almost being divine and deities.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

Yeah I mean they worship them. I worship my cat. Yeah and and although I have said like Mitchell and I really really do want a dog um it's actually becoming way more apparent now than ever before and I don't know if it's because our friends are having babies and stuff like that and we feel like a bit left out I don't know not like that sense but it's just like I we really really want a dog and I was a bit nervous at first I was like oh no like what if the dog doesn't like me or like what if I don't know what if what if we're just not made out to be dog owners I don't think this house is appropriate for a dog but also I said Yeah there's a lot of stairs in this house there's a lot of stairs I think we need a new house before we have a dog. So new house new dog but also I've got Wovey to think about like I don't want to upset her either that would be like the worst thing because she she is our world and she does come first so I I'm worried that if we have a dog and she doesn't ever settle it would be the dog would have to go.

SPEAKER_04 36:11

Would you would you ever have any other type of pet um I will never have fish again. No?

SPEAKER_02 36:17

No Mitchell grew up which is a very very strange pet to grow up with I think chinchillas. Really? So I don't think I'd be against the idea of having some sort of animal like that but they would be more again I wouldn't really have them in the cage that much but also I have no idea how to care for a chinchilla.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

No.

SPEAKER_02 36:35

But anything of that nature I'm not I wouldn't be a fan of I I like things that you can hold and cuddle so something like a tortoise doesn't really strike me as something that I'd want again a bearded dragon anything like that. If it was an affectionate animal I would be because I like I think I like animals for comfort. I wouldn't be against having a tarantula though to be fair I honestly I know I would never for you but like I it doesn't it they honestly don't bother me. I would have rats as well like I that doesn't bother me. I wouldn't want to be bitten by a rat admittedly but then again like yeah but domesticated rats are different to other rats aren't they? I wouldn't be against a rabbit either but they don't live very long.

SPEAKER_04 37:20

They're they are quite smelly they are a bit about the rodents they are quite smelly.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

Yeah again with a chinchilla like they all have some sort of bedding that you'd have to change and stuff like that. And again I don't know how chinchillas would go against like go with another animal like Wovi for example. I have more I think the reason I wouldn't have any of those pets is because I never grew up with them. So we only had dogs or cats right so exactly so well other than the fish and that kind of put me off so I guess yeah I guess I guess I think dogs and cats live longer as well maybe that's a selfish reason but I wouldn't want a pet that didn't last yeah um I don't I don't think we'll get after you know Archie I don't I don't think we'll have a dog for a while because it's it's just so much pain.

SPEAKER_04 38:04

It's just horrible.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

Yeah when when Mitzi died I there was I I was hell bent that we wouldn't get another cat.

SPEAKER_04 38:10

I said to Mitchell no way um and then we got married and a year had passed and he was like oh let's let's just go and have a look at them that was famous last words that was like oh let's just go down to cat's protection and have a look you know just a little look and I was like oh then we come away with dying that's what I like as well because I mean all right yeah so you know Archie was bred but we knew both parents yeah of of both dogs yeah but Lily was a rescue yeah yours your two cats have been rescued both rescued yeah Charlie was a rescue so I think there is a lot of Charlie was a rescue yeah I think there's a lot of animals out there that you know people are looking to get a pet me personally that's what the route that I think people should go down.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

I I do agree to an extent I think if we're gonna get a dog we would want a puppy just so that we could train it. Yeah I'm not saying you can't train an older dog it's just harder.

SPEAKER_04 39:00

Well Lily when because she was abused so much she was she was traumatised. Yeah and it took us months before she fully trusted us.

SPEAKER_02 39:09

And I personally don't think I've got the patience for that me myself and then I'm not the right owner for that dog. So they're not going to thrive in my environment and that I'm not gonna thrive in theirs essentially so I think I would get yourself a spaniel they're fun. Absolutely not um do you know what spaniels are the only dogs where I'd be like that it's one of the only breeds that I'm like nah because it's the only breed that when I was an estate agent it's the only dog that ever bit me. Really spaniel yeah and we know we have known some crazy spaniels in our time as well and I have not liked them very much. Just not a Spaniel person.

SPEAKER_04 39:45

Are you not?

SPEAKER_02 39:46

No Mocha's not a spaniel Mocha's a spaniel I thought Mocha was a um like lab cross no Mocha's a spaniel I don't think I've met Mocha then that's not who I'm thinking of in my head. Oh I Thinking of Pete's dog.

SPEAKER_04 40:01

Yeah, no, no, no. Golden Yeah, it's a retriever.

SPEAKER_02 40:05

So we want uh something crossed with a doodle because I have allergies, apparently, which I didn't know until I left your house. I was like, oh, suddenly I can breathe again. Um yeah, that was annoying. Um annoying to discover that I've been allergic to dogs my entire life and lived with them until I moved out and was like, oh my gosh, my nose works. Yeah. Um, so we need something that is non-shedding. Uh plus also that would just do my Hoover some good as well. Um so yeah, non-shedding dog. I think we're gonna go for a doodle cross of some sort. The thing is, as well, with me in particular, because I do have mobility issues sometimes. I can't, I won't be able to have a Labrador or a very strong dog, wouldn't be able to have an Alsacean or anything like that because they would just be too much for me. So I need I need a small to medium dog, but I also wouldn't want my friend has a chihuahua who's really cute, but not for me.

SPEAKER_04 40:55

Right.

SPEAKER_02 40:56

Not for me. I'd prefer uh meteor dog. Are you okay then?

SPEAKER_04 41:00

Yeah, no, your mum has just text and she's holding an axe, so I'm genuinely concerned. She just sent a picture of and and oh, she did archery as well. She's she's throw she's throwing axes.

SPEAKER_02 41:14

She's basically Lara Croft right now.

SPEAKER_04 41:15

She's she's throwing axes and Becca's throwing axes as well.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

Lovely stuff.

SPEAKER_04 41:19

Yeah.

unknown 41:20

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 41:21

I'll have to show you that little Becca's Becca's did a head thing to get her hair out of the way as she's throwing a tomahawk.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

Nice.

SPEAKER_04 41:27

That's not scary at all.

SPEAKER_02 41:29

Tomahawk steak.

SPEAKER_04 41:30

Yes, no, a tomahawk axe.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

Isn't there not a steak that's called that?

SPEAKER_04 41:35

That's T-bone.

SPEAKER_02 41:36

T-bone steak. Is there a tomahawk steak? I feel like there is.

SPEAKER_04 41:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

Maybe. What's the one that's like the beef has been marinated for 30,000 years? What's that one? Wagu?

SPEAKER_04 41:46

Wagu. Wagu. Wagu. Uh anyway. So shall we finish off with kind of like what is the future of pets gonna look like?

SPEAKER_02 41:53

Oh I I have a future pet. So you know I have an AI pet.

SPEAKER_04 41:57

Exactly. AI cats, AI dogs, AI pets, Tamagotchis. Tamagotchis. Tamagotchis. All the 90s kids just went, yeah. But also robots.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

Also robots.

SPEAKER_04 42:10

Do you remember the Black Mirror episode, Metalheads?

SPEAKER_02 42:13

No.

SPEAKER_04 42:13

Right. But also, I've just been I've been watching this thing on um now TV. I think it's on now TV. It's called Evil.

unknown 42:21

Evil.

SPEAKER_04 42:22

Evil. It's a bit supernaturally, and uh what it's basically is is it's a it's a priest, a psychologist, and a tech guy. And they walk into a bar. Yeah, and they work for like the Catholic Church, but they they kind of go around debunking miracles or debunking things. And there's this one episode where there is like this robotic dog, which is canine, and it kind of it attacks people and is looking at tech guy's looking at the software behind it. But I was like thinking like robotic dogs.

SPEAKER_02 42:49

No, because you they haven't got the warmth, they haven't got the I like yeah, I like the comfort, and I also like the unpredictability of a pet.

SPEAKER_04 42:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

Like sometimes Wavy will just do the craziest shit for an hour and then and then go back to sleeping, and it's just the funniest thing. They make us laugh, they bring a bring about a lot of joy. I have an AI pet that helps me with uh uh logging my pain levels.

SPEAKER_04 43:15

Right, oh okay, yeah.

Exotic Pets, Risks, And Boundaries

SPEAKER_02 43:16

It's an app called Bearable, um, and it is a bear that you get to name. Oh, what have you named it? Uh Toby. Thank you. Why are you saying thank you? Just thank you for asking. Thank you for asking. Because no one ever asks me what his name is. You're not getting an award. No, thank you for asking, because no one is like, oh, okay. No one ever asks me what his name is. You asked me. So thank you for asking. His name is Toby. Okay, and he allows me to um put down uh uh the pain I'm feeling that day, my medication, loads of things, factors. It also commends me when I do climbing. He's like, well done for climbing. And it's like, ooh, morning check-in and evening check-in. It's a very low maintenance pet, actually. Um I don't feed him or anything. Well, I feed him my So is it like a Tamagotchi? Yes, it's a symptom fracker, but in the shape of an AI pet.

SPEAKER_04 44:10

Right, a gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 44:11

And he sometimes he gives me like affirmations like be at one with yourself today, or I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 44:17

Oh, a little bit of motivational speaking.

SPEAKER_02 44:19

Yeah, you know, get you riled up for Oh, for the day ahead.

SPEAKER_04 44:22

The day ahead. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

Yeah, um he's a good lad.

SPEAKER_04 44:25

Yeah, he's a good lad.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

Yeah, old Tobes, yeah, Toby. Yeah, um, I enjoy his company and uh I he seems to enjoy mine.

SPEAKER_04 44:33

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

So there we are.

SPEAKER_04 44:34

Yeah, so if you can't get a real pet, get a Toby.

SPEAKER_02 44:38

Get a Toby. Yeah, that is on the top list of dog names for me. Zip. Yeah, Toby is up there. I would share them, but my phone is the one recording this, so yeah. I think um our top girl name for a dog at the moment is Lottie. Oh I think Mitchell wants a girl dog and I want a boy dog. So either way, one of us is gonna be happy.

SPEAKER_04 44:58

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 45:01

Yeah. Oh, we'll end the episode there then on pets. Please share your pets. Please share us the pictures of your pets. That would be nice. Yeah. A comment section full of people's pets.

SPEAKER_04 45:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:12

Please do that. I want to see what your pets look like and their names, and uh they can be as exotic as possible. And if you do have a tarantula, oh, no, no, actually comment that. Comment that.

SPEAKER_04 45:22

No, no, no. Share pictures of of your fluffy, nice pets, not tarantulas are nice and fluffy. Or if you have any pictures of angry cobras, that would be nice.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

I don't mind I don't mind seeing pictures of snakes. I have no problem with that. You're the weirdo.

SPEAKER_04 45:36

Yeah, I I can't even cope with a picture of a spider.

SPEAKER_02 45:38

Share your p spider pics. It's like send nudes, but send spiders. No! Send spiders. Send spiders. I want to see them.

SPEAKER_01 45:49

It gods.

SPEAKER_02 45:50

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SPEAKER_04 46:10

Yeah, I still do Facebook.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

Oh, okay, Facebook and Instagram. Um we still look after those.

SPEAKER_04 46:14

Um You've got a TikTok as well, but we never really use them.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

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