You Use These Phrases Every Day, But Do You Know Where They Come From? Part one

Ever wonder why we say bite the bullet or saved by the bell without a second thought? We open the door to the strange, funny, and sometimes bleak origins of everyday idioms, pairing history with personal stories so each phrase lands with colour and context.

We start with real life: contact lens woes, the shock of turning to verifocals at 50, needle anxiety that needs longer GP appointments, and a 10k charity walk for endometriosis that sparks a conversation about awareness and resilience. From there we pivot into the language rabbit hole. Bite the bullet takes us to brutal battlefield surgery and endurance. Saved by the bell drags up a century-old fear of premature burial. Spill the beans links to Greek voting, while don’t look a gift horse in the mouth decodes etiquette through a horse’s teeth. Break a leg reveals theatre superstition, and mad as a hatter points to mercury-poisoned craftsmen rather than Wonderland whimsy.

We don’t stop at origins; we look at meaning drift. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps once mocked the impossible, yet now gets thrown around as a hustle mantra. Raining cats and dogs gets a grim, plausible backstory from old European streets, and straight from the horse’s mouth becomes a lesson in going to the source. Along the way we talk AI music flooding platforms, streaming pots that stretch thinner, and why making one single can still cost a grand even on mates’ rates. The thread tying it all together is curiosity: language is living history, and every idiom carries a human story about pain, craft, scams, superstition, or grit.

Expect a warm, quick-paced chat that mixes folklore, theatre lore, and social history with a few dad jokes and a lot of honesty. If you love etymology, culture, or just want to sound sharper the next time someone says spill the beans, this one’s for you. Enjoyed the conversation? Follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a quick review so others can find us too.

Transcript

Welcome And Life Updates

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Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad.

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Via email, Instagram, Facebook, or TikTok. Links in bio. Hello and welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter. We are here today to talk about sayings and their origins.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

We are indeed. Like where different sayings come throughout the past. Well, what you know, things like bite the bullet, save by the bell, spill the beans.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

They're the first three, by the way, that we're going to be discussing on this podcast episode. How lazy was that? Example number one, two, and three.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Well, I can read this now. So it's great. Oh, yeah, that's true. Do you want to do a life update? Yeah, let's do a life update. What have you been up to, Hannah?

SPEAKER_01 0:55

Absolutely nothing. Would you like to carry on with your life update?

SPEAKER_00 0:57

I've been up to loads, really. So, you know, there's been a bit of a long-standing thing about my room upstairs.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

So I finally got a uh Rise Fall Desk.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

I'm really sorry, there's a hair on my mic, and I feel like it's going to just affect the listeners. Sorry about two seconds. Is it going to go up your nose? It's tickling my nose, so that was a problem.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Have you ever had it?

SPEAKER_00 1:17

We'll come on to contact lenses in a minute, but have you ever had a con uh an uh eyelash in your contact lens or a hair behind your contact lens?

SPEAKER_01 1:23

As a long-haired gal, and I've been a long-haired gal for quite a long time, there have been moments in my life where uh a hair has been wrapped around my eyeball. Ugh. Yeah. And do you know what? People would say uh, but do you know how satisfying that is when you get it out? Oh, it's euphoric.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

When you feel it scrape against your eyeball.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

Yeah, but something there's something about getting it out, and you're like, oh yeah, that felt good.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Actually, actually, it happened to your mum the other day.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

She had an eye, she pulled one out and it actually was really long, so it was like one of her heads.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

It happens all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

Yeah, that was that was awful, that was.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

Um try wearing contact lenses as a as a long-haired person and you will understand.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Yep. So actually, we'll talk about contact lenses. Let's stay with contact lenses.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Let's stay with contact lenses because that's your life update.

SPEAKER_00 2:08

It is one of my life updates.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Nothing really cool happens to us, but I went to the opticians.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Because I realised that my eyes were getting worse, like nearsighted. Yes. So I couldn't read things close to me when I had my contact lenses in. But when I got contact lenses out, I could read perfectly. So I've got verifocal lenses in at the moment.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Which is such an old man thing. Now that you've turned 50, you're very focaling. Can I ask though, before you aged? Um before I aged. Yeah, were you short-sighted or long-sighted?

SPEAKER_00 2:40

I was short-sighted.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Yeah, same as a shit.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

So I've been short-sighted since I was really little.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

We're all short-sighted because mum was also short-sighted before.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Your mum's proper blind though, isn't she? Before she had before she had her surgery. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

I think she was like m I want to say minus seven. Yeah, she couldn't see you. Now she can, she's like, mm.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Yeah, she was minus seven. What are you?

SPEAKER_00 2:59

Minus two. Aw. Yeah. What are you?

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Minus five. Are you really? Uh four, seven, five, actually. Yeah. I have four seven five in my right eye, that's my dominant eye. My left eye is is not catching up. They used to be the same, but now it's three seven five. It's gone backwards. And I don't know if that's because apparently when you age, your short-sightedness gets better because your eyes are going the other way, like the verifocal situation. Apparently, that's a thing. So there's hope for me yet.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Yeah, well, I was going to have the surgery, but then I was at that age. Laser. Yeah, laser. But they said there's no point because I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go other side, so I'm probably gonna not wear glasses anyway. But the verifocal lenses that I've got in the minute, they completely solve that issue. So I'm now I've now got 2020 2020 vision again with my lenses.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

With the utmost respect, I had no idea that you would even consider laser eye surgery.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Yeah, considering your aversion to like needles and oh my god, that's actually, yeah, that's really funny. So the other day, yeah, I had to call the doctors up about something, yeah, and they said that I've got to go for a blood test. And they said it's sorry, so this is a bit graphic, not graphic really, but they said I've got to take have a blood test and I've got to have a urine sample as well. And she said, Are you she said, Are you okay or book you in for like a 15-minute appointment? And then she didn't even stop talking before she went, Oh, I've just read your notes. We'll we'll bring you in for a longer appointment. Because basically, if I see a hypodermic needle, I'm out.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

Yeah, um I also have actually in my medical notes. I also have the same note on my medical notes, and it's all your freaking fault.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

She said, Yeah, we'll bring you in for a longer appointment. So I remember when I had um because of work, I had to have a lot of vaccines.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

And then I had to have a blood test to make sure that the vaccines took. And when when I went actually went in for the blood test, I remember I had a full-on panic attack. Absolutely full-on panic attack.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

I actually, and I don't know if this is the same for you, but I do prefer uh vaccination to a blood test.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

And I now that I've had so many things, I prefer a cannula now to a blood test as well.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Well, when I was that time I went in with kidney stones, I was in so much pain, they put the cannula in and she was so good I didn't even feel it. I just looked because she because again, on my medical.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

Some are not so good.

SPEAKER_00 5:19

Didn't even see it.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

Do you remember that massive bruise I had down my arm?

SPEAKER_00 5:22

You see, God, that hurt.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

That really hurt that time.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

So, yeah, um optician, so I've now got very focal lenses in so I can actually read again and see things. Wonderful. But I've also got my room sorted out. Yeah, so finally decks are up and running and they're all good to go.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

There's still no podcast studio.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

No, the room is too small for that. But your mum said we could use her salon.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Oh, did she now?

SPEAKER_00 5:48

She did say we could at least use it.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

We can't use it up, we can't keep it up permanently. That's we can't keep it up permanently. Which is the problem I have here.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Well, when we get our second car, maybe I can actually come around to yours and bring you McDonald's. That would be nice. Would be nice, wouldn't it? That would be nice. Yeah, we just need a second car.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

Yeah, did you enjoy your um what did you have this morning?

SPEAKER_01 6:05

I had an egg and sausage McMuffin, no cheese, hash brown, and a hot chocolate, which is still, you know, merrily going.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Oh, careful product placement.

Costs Of Music And AI Frustrations

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Oh, oh no. They don't know that we use insert fast food restaurant here. Um no, they know we have McDonald's. Uh I'd love McDonald's to sponsor us, by the way, if you're in the market for someone.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

A really, really like small podcast. Oh, actually, do you know what I read the other day and it bloody infuriated me? Oh, go on. So, you know, we've mentioned on this podcast before about Spotify and doesn't pay podcasters. Yeah. Right, and you know I had a little not rant, but I mentioned in one other episode about AI. Yeah. Saying about there's 60,000 songs being uploaded to AI or AO songs that are being uploaded to Spotify every single day. Apparently, now these people who are putting up, or certain people who are putting AI songs up, are getting bots to constantly listen to the tracks to get extra listens to get money. But this is the worst bit. Spotify only has a certain pot of money that it has to share out between all the artists in total. So the more AI songs there are, the less money artists are getting for the same streaming.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

I feel like whenever we discuss AI on this podcast, we are so conflicted because we use it on a we use it and it's really helpful. And there are other times where AI is not. They just there just needs to be a line drawn, doesn't there? Like there needs to be some sort of it can be abused. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

It can be abused, and that's what I'm not doing.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

I'm not saying I haven't abused it because I have for sure. Like I get it to sometimes, you know, pop up an image for me, sometimes if I can't quite visualize something, or you know, uh you can ask it all sorts of things like Mitchell and I were on a walk yesterday, yeah, and we saw these kind of weird trees in these like polytunnel shelters. Oh yeah, yeah. And we were just we were just talking between us, like, I wonder what plant that is that they're growing there. And I mean, yeah, we could have Googled it for a long time and not got the answer. Mitchell literally just took a picture, put it into Chat GPT, and was like, oh yeah, this is basically um in in winter, this is a and we we realised there were raspberry canes. I'd never seen a raspberry cane before. And so we're like, oh, it's a raspberry cane. You know, we wouldn't have known that information if we hadn't put it into Chat GPT. I mean, we didn't again didn't really need to know that information. It was more curiosity than anything, but it was nice to be able to do that. But then yeah, you've got other people uploading AI songs as well. And essentially uh stopping real artists from getting the you know that that that they put a lot of work into their songs in writing, recording, you know, there's there is always money there, even if you do it all yourself, there is there's still money you have to pay out to people to make that happen.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Well, for one single, uh our last single cost us a grand to make.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

Yeah, I imagine, because it's with the studio time studio time, the recording, the mixing, the your all-time wear and tear on your instruments, there's so many things.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

And also the video, and bearing in mind as well, all of those were mates rates because we got them for all for your friends.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

For all friends. So even so.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

So we just basically covered each other's expenses.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Yeah, just mad.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

So when you're talking, yeah, it's just it's just wrong.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

So it's so crazy.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Talking about logos, right, I did put in chat GPT yesterday because obviously, like I say, I've started DJing again up in the up in the little room. Up in the his aze, and I've been um primarily doing kind of like nineties hard house, because that's what I used to DJ. So anyway.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

Uh that's the thing though with 90s, nine nineties DJing, it's all the same beat. It really isn't. It is. It is the same dumch, dumch, dumpch. It is the same beat. I'm sorry, it's all just noise.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

We shall agree to disagree.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

Agree to disagree, it's fine.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

So I asked a chat GPT to come up with a logo for my DJ name, and it came up with that.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Why what is the horn? I don't know, but then it looks like a walrus. Oh, that one at the bottom is so cute.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Do you like that one?

SPEAKER_01 10:06

That is pretty cute.

SPEAKER_00 10:08

Do you reckon you could do something with that? I mean, what do you want me to do with it? I don't know, just make it less AI-y.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

No.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:16

No, I cannot do that.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Okay.

DJ Logos, 90s Hard House Debate

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Um, I can't make something look less AIE. Can you not? That's not the point of it. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

Well, did you design me a logo based on something like that?

SPEAKER_01 10:25

I can try. I just I won't be able to get it like that.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

No, no, no, I don't want it like that. I want your creative juices to flow on the I'll give it I'll give it a go.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

Yes. You need to not report that bug. I think you've shook your screen.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

I just realised I do have a life update if I may insert.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

Go on, you go you go for a life update.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Um, so not uh so we did walk this weekend, but last weekend um my husband and I went on a walk, 10k walk, uh for endometriosis. We done a charity walk. That was very cool. I have raised just under 200 pounds, which is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

Pretty, pretty happy with that. Um yeah, we went on a 10k walk and um it was yeah, it was it was the weather was incredible. We ended up in some charity shops afterwards. We went to Sheringham, it's very nice.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Yeah, it was lovely, lovely beach walk. Um, well, beach walk, we were on top of the well Mitchell was excited because we were very uh we're the other side of the golf course, so he was watching people put shots in. He was like, Oh, I could watch these all day. I was like, Well, you go at it and I'm carrying on. Nah, we um we did 10k and it was um yeah, it was it was really good and it's made us want to walk a bit more actually. If anything, it's it's we walked yesterday, so it's you know, it's getting it out of our system a little bit, which is nice. So yeah, did that raised a bit of money for endometriosis UK. For those that don't know, uh I mean uh there's a lot of people that listen to this podcast have listened to us from the beginning, but just in case you didn't, I um poorly was suspected endometriosis, although I've been on the diagnostic train now for six years in May. Six years. Yeah. That um so sometimes I just like to raise awareness.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

Yes, I saw that on your LinkedIn actually.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

So I did share it. I did share it. You did, yeah. I did share it crossing.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

Put up my LinkedIn, my private Instagram, my not so private Instagram, and then everywhere, everywhere that anyone would would have me.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

Essentially. Um so so yeah. Um it was good. Any other live updates? Anything else you've done? Other than that, I've actually been pretty poorly, to be honest, with with it. So um no. Okay. Um yeah, a couple of weekends back I was bedbound, so that was not entirely fun. Yeah, nothing really. No, just work has been work and work is always work, I guess, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

Bog standard work, nothing exciting there. Um no, sound like sound quite boring to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Okay, so I'm the only one who's been having any fun. Although it's not really gonna be a good one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, or going out and doing anything.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

Yeah. Day out to the opticians is the highlight of my week.

Charity Walk And Endometriosis Awareness

SPEAKER_01 12:53

It is indeed. It is indeed.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

Anyway, shall we start the actual episode?

SPEAKER_01 12:57

We probably should. I mean, we're good like 12 minutes in now. We are, aren't we? Poor listeners and viewers.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Sorry, guys.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

So, sayings and their origins. It's it's like, you know, you've heard those sayings, your mum said them, I've probably said them, friends have said them, auntie's uncle have said them, friends have said them, and you're like, What's that? I think they get the picture. Yeah. Where did that saying actually come from? You know, like for instance, let's go with the first one. You've just got to bite the bullet.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Yeah. So let's talk about this from a physical aspect. If someone's gonna shoot a bullet at you, you're not gonna be able to bite it.

SPEAKER_00 13:29

No.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Why would you bite a bullet before it goes into the gun? Surely, I cannot imagine them tasting nice, it would just taste metallic. So tell me, where did bite the bullet come from?

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Well, back on the battlefields when firearms were first kind of bullets were kind of first invented, yeah. They were brutal. Surgeries were brutal. So, of course, you've got bullet wounds, so yeah, doctors have got to go in and take it out. So, what did they do? The doctor said to the soldier, bite down on this bullet.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

So it's like you've got to just take the pain, bite the bullet, just take that, put it in your mouth.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

They physically bite on the bullet.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

They physically bite it or bit bit, bite it. Bited. Bit it. Bited the bullet. They physically bit the bullet.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

So instead of giving them like, I don't know, a nice piece of wood to chomp down on, they gave them metal.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

It didn't help at all.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

No, I can't. I can imagine it did.

SPEAKER_00 14:23

But it just gave someone to clench something instead of them screaming. So it basically it was for the doctors. It was for the doctors, rather.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

That sounds about right, to be honest, in in healthcare um in modern day, too, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

So when someone does say you've just got to bite the bullet, it essentially means you must endure something that's painful because guess what? You've got no choice.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Crack on.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

You just gotta do it.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

Rip off that band-aid, as they would say in America.

SPEAKER_00 14:48

Indeed. So that's where that came from. The bullet came from uh earlier battlefields and surgeries and amputations.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

Makes sense, makes sense. If I was to guess where the origin of that would be, that would be would have been my.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

So there you can imagine the poor soldier been shot in the leg, he's about to get his uh his leg cut off by a surgeon.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Someone's like, don't worry about it, just bite on this.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

What if you bit on the end too hard and you shot yourself?

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Well, that's what I was thinking. Like, it doesn't it must have been a shell casing as opposed to the actual bullet. Well done. It's too unsafe.

unknown 15:16

It's too unsafe.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

Say no, there's gunpowder in that. That's what I mean. Like it doesn't actually really make sense that they would choose of all the instruments they could bite down on, a bullet their own bullet from their leg as well. That's what they're trying to fish out. So they don't have a spare bullet.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

Well, there'll be bullets everywhere, won't they? So bullets are plentiful.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

It's gotta be the casing. But you broke what if you broke your teeth? That's what I mean. It's the most idiotic thing to bite down on. You also have a hair on your mic.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

Have I?

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Yeah. No. Yeah, no? Yeah. Yeah, so I have.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Yeah. Yeah.

unknown 15:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Why not like like you say, like a leather strap or something like that?

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Yeah. Something that's actually like mildly pliable.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

Yeah.

Main Topic Kickoff: Sayings Origins

SPEAKER_01 15:53

Wood would be the best one. No, because you get splinters on it. Yeah, splinters. No, I think a leather belt. Rubber, a really thick rubber.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

Now, leat leather belt. Leather belt. Leather belt, yeah. Leather belt would be the best.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Would doctors do doctors wear leather belts?

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Probably not. Probably not, no. Available. No. No. More scrubs.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

More scrubs.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

More scrubs. That's gonna be back in February, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 16:12

It is indeed. We're we're currently watching it to get to the end.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Yeah, there you go. Um second one. Where did the the term saved by the bell come from?

SPEAKER_01 16:21

I I mean I haven't looked at the script.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

Never do. Well, no, you never do. Um but where do you think it came from?

SPEAKER_01 16:27

I do know that saved by the bell would be something And it's not the 90s teen um thing with my thing m my brain would go something to do with the church, like, oh, the church bells rang, therefore, like it's kind of like their curfew. Oh, we can't do that now. We're saved by the bell. That's that's so what is it?

SPEAKER_00 16:47

No, no. Tell me more. In the 18th and 19th centuries, and I must admit this is a fear of mine as well, it's one of those fears that you kind of have in the back of your mind. What if you were buried alive? What if someone pronounced you dead? So you had the old tetratotoxin. What if you Tetritotoxin, Serpent and the Rainbow, Zombinole.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

Yeah. So it looks like you're you're dead.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Yeah.

Bite The Bullet And Battlefield Surgery

SPEAKER_00 17:09

But you're not, but your heart rate is slowed to a point where it's only just beating, but you're keeping it, you're kept alive. You then get buried, and then suddenly you wake up. So there's an Alpha Tcox Presents episode about this as well.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

And there you are, you're laying in your coffin, you're awake, and you've been buried aligned. Terrified. Yeah, yeah. So what are you gonna do? Well, sometimes what the people would say is, when I'm buried, attach a piece of string through the ground into a bell above the gravestone. So if I wake up, ding ding.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

What if it's a windy day and it just blows the bell anyway? I'm gonna freak the f because I'll be like, oh, he's alive. Praise be.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

Yeah, then you get dug up. Oh no, he's still dead. But yeah, that's what it was.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

Because it was just the wind. That is that was almost idiotic thing.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

If someone got buried alive, they would ring the bell.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

On a windy day, all the bells are gonna be ringing.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

And that's how zombies go created. That's the apocalypse. Can you imagine if that happened? And you went down to the graveyard the next day and saw like all these graves un sort of like dug up.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Un turfed. Unturned? In un It's the opposite to interned unturned. Because you intern a grave, right? But how do you reverse that?

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Speak it up.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Unturn?

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

U-turn?

unknown 18:24

U-turn.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Let's make a U-turn.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Yeah. So it literally means that you're being rescued from buried alive.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

Wasn't anything to do with the church bells? Well, it was kind of there's a loose connection.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Very, very it's very loose. It's it's weak. It's very weak, but it it it's loose. So third one, spill the beans.

Saved By The Bell And Burial Myths

SPEAKER_01 18:45

So spill the beans is obviously I would say this in context of, oh go on, spill the beans, tell us all the goss. Like you're you are the one revealing the doing the big reveal. But where would that mean in terms of actual beans? Coffee beans? What type of beans were they spilling?

SPEAKER_00 19:04

Well, well, according to this, in ancient Greece, voting was sometimes done using beans. So you'd have a white bean for yes, black bean for no. And if someone knocked the jar over early, the results were revealed early. So spilling the beans means accidentally exposing a secret.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

Makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

So it's the voting system in ancient Greece. That's where that saying comes from.

SPEAKER_01 19:27

I actually knew that. Did you? Yep, and I'd forgotten that piece of tit bit of information there.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

Next one.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

Go on.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Where did that come from?

SPEAKER_01 19:37

No frickin' idea. What is a gift horse? Yeah. Is it something to do with Santa and his sleigh? Is it something to do with a reindeer, you know? I know they're reindeer, but they're basically horses. So let's you know, I I what is a gift horse and why would you did the gift horse carry it in its mouth? Tell me more. No.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

I do not understand. So people used to judge horses' age and health by looking at its teeth.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Oh, a bit like rings of a tree.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Exactly. So you look at the horse's teeth to see how well or you know, to see how good a horse it was.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

How well it was kept.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

And if someone gifted you a horse, you would immediately to check the how how good the horse is, you'd look in its mouth. Check its teeth.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Ah, but don't look a gift horse in the mouth because you're ungrateful for the gift.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Yeah, so basically what you're saying is giving the gift and you're checking to see how good the gift is. And then if someone said, Well, is it is the is this not good enough?

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Modern context, you get a jumper from your nan.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

And you start checking the stitching.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

And you start checking the sick stitching. Or you're I was thinking more modern way, you'd be looking at the size. Did they get my size right?

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Just be grateful that you got the jumper and at all.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Exactly. So it's saying don't be ungrateful.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

And if it is too small, put it on your cat.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Okay, here's one that I used to use quite a lot.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Break a leg.

Spill The Beans And Greek Voting

SPEAKER_01 20:53

I know that break a leg well, I know break a leg is used a lot in theatre. Um because it is generally considered the worst thing that could happen to you on stage, I suppose, at that point. Yeah. And therefore that's why people said that as a good luck symbol. Because it's it's saying that the worst thing that can happen is break a leg. So basically, if you if you if you can get through everything else, you're gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

Well, there's two theories. There's two theories on this one. So this is the most likely the the where they think the origin came from, because in theatre it was considered saying good luck meant as the opposite. It's something bad was gonna happen. If you say good luck to someone in theatre, you jinx it. Um so performers used to think, well, you say something opposite, which would actually mean good luck. So what's the opposite of good luck is? I hope you break a leg.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Yep, yeah, but there is another theory. Oh, and that is basically sometimes when actors used to take a bow at the end, they would you know, like I don't know you've never seen Gain of Then bend the knee, right? Sort of thing. You think, well, if you kind of went down on your knees to bow, because you Sort of kind of bowed like that, it means you had actually broken your leg.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Oh, I see, from a straight position to a exactly to a bent one.

Gift Horse, Break A Leg, Theatre Lore

SPEAKER_00 22:07

So that means when they say hope you broke a leg or break a leg, it means you actually made it to the end of the play in order to and to receive your yeah. Yeah, to see your standing ovation, of course.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Yeah, yes, naturally.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

Um cool. I know that in theatre as well that you are not allowed to say Macbeth.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

The Scottish play.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

The Scottish play.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

That's how you refer to Macbeth as a Scottish play.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

The Scottish play, yes. Um because um because yeah, that's all.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

It's bad luck.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Because all the first.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

Unless, of course, you're performing Macbeth. Then of which you do probably have to say Macbeth.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

I assume so. I uh fun fun side story, side quest.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

Yes, side quest.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

I took I took my brother-in-law, uh, who at the time probably was not older than 17, 18. Yeah. Most hilarious thing, we went and saw this um kind of rap version of Macbeth, and it was called Mookbeef. And it was at the Norwich Art Centre.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Right.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

And it was so bad that it was funny. And um, I always remember that time that I took him to see that because I I said to him, Look, someone at work approached me, said that, oh, you might be interested in this thing, and I was like, you know what? Sure. What the hell? He was a he was a drama student at the time, so I thought it'd be funny to take him. Um and we went, it was just us two. And honestly, I don't think I've ever realized or gone to something like that and gone, that was a pile of dosh. Like the acting was bad, like everything about it was it was. I don't think they were having a good night. There was a couple of things that on stage that went wrong, and was obvious that it went wrong. It was like the play, it it was cursed. It was like Mc Macbeth, you know. Yeah, it was kind of like a Hamilton-esque basically.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

Um there is a play where where everything does go along on purpose.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's meant to happen. But this was not one of those occasions. Um and it was I just remember that as just being one of the funniest like situations I've ever put myself in. And someone else, I dragged someone else along, and we were both like, yeah, that weren't that great. But it was just uh I think we would both look back on that thinking it wasn't great, and that was what made it fun. Like, yeah, it was a good thing. So, regardless of the fact that it was bad, we still had a good time.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

Excellent.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

Um, where do you think the term mad as a hatter came from? Was it Alice in Wonderland? No, I thought it was Alice in Wonderland, but it isn't. So apparently in the 1800s, hat makers used to use mercury to treat the felt.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

Oh, so they were high off their rockers.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

So mercury, of course, is a poison.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

And it used to send you cause tremors, hallucinations, and erratic behaviour. So literally, hatters got went insane due to mercury exposure. But how come the wearers didn't? Well, because they're around it, well, because I well, I don't know. I was gonna try and explain it and I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

Because it's on their head and you'd think oh it'd seep into their skin.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

Yeah. We think so. Well, I suppose because I suppose because hatters are around it all day, and I suppose they I don't know if they're using it.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

Maybe not wearing a hat all day.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

Yeah, and also it's diffusing into the air more, maybe, because while you're treating it, so you're sniffing it more. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

But I always thought it was the mad hatter came from Alice in Wonderland. Yeah. But I think the mad hatter was probably named after the term mad as a hatter.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Yeah. So it's because Which came first chicken or the egg. I mean Mad Hatter or Mad as a Hatter.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

No, no. I'm gonna I'm gonna say that definitely Mad as Hatter came first because isn't Alice in Wonderland like the whole premise about drugs anyway? Of course it is. She had some mushrooms. She ate some mushrooms, she goes down the rabbit hole. Yeah, of course she did. It it's it's it's all drug references. So Mad as Hatter, it probably did come second.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

We could do an entire podcast on drug references in children's stories. Yeah, there's so many. Of course there is Captain Caveman, you know, Scooby-Doo, Mr. Ben. I'm sorry, Mr. Ben, right? He used to go into the shop and as if by magic the shopkeeper appeared. Here you go, Mr. Ben. Here's some acids, go through that cupboard, go off to a magical land. Jamie's magic torch, yeah. Jamie and the magic torch. Yeah, brilliant. The magic roundabout. Oh yeah, magic roundabout. Yeah, they were all talking animals. Exactly. They were all drug they were all inspired by drugs. Exactly. Antimorland for sure. You know Bill Hicks? I no, no, you don't. I don't know him personally. No, but Bill Hicks is a comedian for the thing. He he he kind of endorses psychedelics inside this, inside his show. Okay. And he says, he said, well, he said, if you did if you took psychedelics away from everybody, or to you know, from out of the world, he said, look at every song that's ever been made, every film that's ever been made. He said, You can forget it, because all those creative people, when they wrote those things, really fly.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Mm-hmm. That's how you get most of the good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Look at Sarge and Peppers.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Yeah.

Let The Cat Out Of The Bag Scam

SPEAKER_00 26:59

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Anyway, we move on. Let the cat out of the bag. Where do you think that came from?

SPEAKER_01 27:07

They put cats in the bag.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

But why was there a cat in a bag? Why was there a cat in the bag in the first place?

SPEAKER_01 27:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

Where do you think that came from?

SPEAKER_01 27:14

I have no idea. I hope it's not.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

Well, in olden times, in the olden days, back before television and when the world was still black and white, in some marketplaces, dishonest sellers might sell a pig in a poke. And sometimes they would swap the pig for a worthless cat.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

That's mean.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

So it's a scam. So if you open the big cats are not worthless. So if you open the bag too early, ugh cat. So basically, that's not a pig. That's a meow.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

So that's I guess in when they're small, they don't look that different.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

W what, pigs and cats?

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Of course they do.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

I mean they're both cute and fluffy. No, the pigs aren't fluffy. They're kind of fluffy. Are they? They're like little babies. Yeah. Have you ever seen a baby penguin? They're really fluffy and then they get like hard. As they're hardened to the elements. When does not get hard? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

That was your day, Mike. I know. I'm sorry. I was talking about a penguin.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

Yeah, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Pick up a penguin.

Straight From The Horse’s Mouth

SPEAKER_00 28:15

So essentially letting the cat out of the bag means it's revealing a secret or exposing a scam. There you go.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

There you are. So next one. Straight from the horse's mouth.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Ah, is this because of the horse's mouth being the the determination of its health and longevity? So if it's straight from the horse's mouth, they know it's accurate.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

Yes, that that's what that's what the same for that's what the saying means.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

I'm using a past phrase.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

So that's that is what the saying means. But where do you think it came from?

SPEAKER_01 28:44

That's what I mean. From from from from them looking in the mouths and being like, hello, you are good, healthy, and therefore truthful. Kinda. Kinda.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

So basically, gamblers wanted, you know, people who gamble, they want the most reliable info.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

So who is the best source to get the info about the horse?

SPEAKER_01 29:00

The horse.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

Exactly. Or the trainer.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

Ah.

Raining Cats And Dogs: Gruesome Theories

SPEAKER_00 29:04

Yeah. So basically what it means is you're getting the information directly from the source. It could be. The horse can't lie. I know.

SPEAKER_01 29:13

That I'm aware of. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

So yeah. That's where that comes from.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Raining cats and dogs. It's raining cats and dogs out there today. I honestly thought this was Cockney slang, so I didn't realise it was actually dated back further than.

SPEAKER_00 29:27

No, it does. Oh, damn. It does. Tell me more. Well, in old European cities. Okay. Where we are, we're in an old European city, heavy storms could wash dead animals through the streets.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Oh, God.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

So there you go.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

Oh, that's horrible. I have I have been in uh Dubrovnik, Croatia, and I can say, with uh absolute no doubt at all, in what I'm about to say, it absolutely, like one moment, glorious sunshine, we were getting burnt. The next, I have never seen such a torrential downpour in my entire life that we saw a wedding party go up the street. And apparently it's like it's uh good luck in Croatia if it rains on your wedding day. Okay. Yeah, so they were like lapping it up. They were loving it, they're like, oh the rains in Croatia. That's what they were singing, but in Croatian.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

Um You could tell by the tune rather than the words, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

The drums are wrong. Yeah, um, but yeah, it was absolutely um like yeah, it the the most rain I've ever experienced in my entire life. And then it rained for about 15 minutes. We took cover and had some lunch in a restaurant. We weren't bothered. Um, under like these parasols. And then in the next 15 minutes, it's like the sun came out and absolutely you could see the the rain evaporating off the street. It was the craziest downpour I've ever seen. So I can actually truly believe that the rains would be that heavy that they'd wash dead animals down the things. It's raining cats and dogs out there. That's horrific.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

Yeah, that that's that's basically where it where it comes from. Horrific. Although, I I've got a joke for you now.

unknown 31:07

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

Uh you know vampires.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

I am familiar with the law, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Do you know why there aren't any vampires in an uh in the African continent?

SPEAKER_01 31:16

Because the rains are blessed. Exactly. Holy water. It's not even a good joke.

SPEAKER_00 31:21

I know, it's a shy joke. It's a proper dad joke, that one isn't. Yeah, because they bless the rains down in Africa.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

That's why we know there's no vampires on that continent.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

We know.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

We know.

Burning The Midnight Oil And Sleep Tight

SPEAKER_00 31:31

Yes. But there is another, there is another theory. That isn't the only theory, there is another theory about the whole raining cats and dogs thing. Is that um in uh is that animals did used to sleep on rooftops.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Okay. So if they fell off.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

Basically, it's like, yay, slip and slide.

unknown 31:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

And it's the fun it's it's the frickin' Barclay advert. There's a reason. For the sun in the sky. Like, combine the Barclays advert and the crusher advert. Like crusher, crusher, crusher. And then you've got them coming like down the tubes. There's a reason. Clicking away. Oh, my imagination's far too vivid.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Oh, Hannah, I think we should probably should have discussed this beforehand, but I've just scrolled down and there are quite a few. So do you want to make this one a two-parter?

SPEAKER_01 32:24

I mean, if we're enjoying it.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

I think, yeah. I think this is a fun one because there's absolutely loads.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Go on then.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

Yeah, we'll make two part this bit. Let's two-part this one. There's two part this bitch. So, next one. Do you know where the uh the term uh burning the midnight oil comes from?

SPEAKER_01 32:39

I can only assume candles back way in the day.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

Back way in the day.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

Well, they did. They used to have oil lamps and stuff, so if they're burning the midnight oil, they genuinely were burning it at midnight. Yeah, midnight. It's literal.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

Yeah, it's literally it is literal. So before, of course, electricity, people had literal oil lamps.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

We don't have midnight oil now.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

No, we don't.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

But I but I do often burn it.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Oh, there's a there's a band called Midnight Oil.

unknown 33:05

Is it?

SPEAKER_01 33:08

That song? Is all of their songs related to staying up late?

SPEAKER_00 33:12

Possibly.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:14

Yes. That makes sense. Um so yeah, basically it means working late or staying up studying. So I used to say this to you. Sleep tight. Don't let the bed bugs bite. See you in the morning light.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

I hate to think that somewhere in in ye oldy that people used to probably tie themselves to the bed or something to stop them from falling out or something stupid like that. Kinda. Go on then.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

Kinda. It's so like old beds were made with ropes row woven across the frame.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

You know, like we've got slats and that now.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:47

Yeah? So it used to be old ropes. Yeah, makes sense. But of course, over time, those ropes would bag. You said sag and I went to say bend, and then it went bag. The ropes bag. They would sag and it would be very uncomfortable. So what you'd have to do was tighten it, tighten the ropes, I sleeping tight.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

Oh. Sleeping tight. Well, they weren't strapped to the bed then.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

No, no, no. They weren't well, some people might have been, if that's just if that's your thing.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

Uh oh, I was actually thinking like mentally, you're thinking like kinky. I was like, I immediately went, oh, straight jacket. See how our our brains work. I immediately went down the mental health room. You're like, well, fun time for me.

Bootstraps And Language Drift

SPEAKER_00 34:27

Oh, can you remember what I used to say to you when you were little when you used to go to sleep?

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Don't uh sleep tight, don't let the bed bugs back.

SPEAKER_00 34:33

No, but but but also I used to say to you about dreaming.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

Gary Moon beans or minager. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

Hope you dream of bunnies.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

Is it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

Hope you dream of bunnies.

SPEAKER_01 34:42

Yeah, killer bunnies.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

Killer bunnies.

SPEAKER_01 34:48

It's basically Watership Down, but horror version. It's pretty horrific, actually, to be fair. It's already a horror. Can you imagine? Burning like fire. No, no.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

Can you imagine how traumatized you must have been? Like, here, watch Watership Down at like six years old. And absolutely sort of give as the film, the one film that can give you PTSD. And then at night and that go, night night, Hannah, dream of bunnies.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

Don't worry about Hazel.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Oh, don't.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

You brought it up!

SPEAKER_00 35:19

Sorry, I've just now got I've just now got those images of that film in my mind. It's been like fire.

SPEAKER_01 35:25

I think that was the first time I ever experienced loss.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

Water ship down. Oh, that film is traumatic. No wonder we are like we are.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

Yeah, I think we're messed up because of that. And then you mess me up. Like you had foresight. You could have protected me from that.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

I went through it, watched this.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

Oh my god. Do you know what I watched the other day? Go on. Bridge to Terabithia.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

Oh, I've not seen that for ages.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

Oh. I was a mess.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

Were you?

SPEAKER_01 35:56

An absolute mess.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

I hadn't seen it before, not all the way through.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

Uh oh.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

I can't believe she spoiler alert, it's been a while, but I can't believe she just died. It was so sudden. Yeah. It was like, oh, because she didn't go to the museum and then he felt guilty because they weren't spending the day together at the museum with uh Jessica Day, uh, what's her name in real life? Uh Zoe De Chanel.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god, terror uh oh, I cried like a baby.

Wrap Up And Part Two Tease

SPEAKER_00 36:23

Well, your mum went to the cinema the other day to watch uh which is Derabithia. No, no, with Anya to watch a film. She went to film watch a film about a kangaroo. And it's like uh she said to her, she said, Oh, there might be tears. Do you want to come? I went, no.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

Like, like the the the criteria of you going to the cinema is oh if I cry, yeah, sure I'll go.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

Yeah, no, no, it's like if animal if if animals, if there's if there's any chance of any animal getting in a film, I can't even watch the first John Wick movie ever again. I skip that. I do skip that point.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

I just can't watch it. The fact that that is his motivator, well, other than the deaf of John.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

Do you know what traumatised me was the littlest hobo? That's what traumatized me. Can't remember that one. No, it's it's a no, it's not a film, it was a series. Here's a place where I'm gonna go. And what happened was this dog would meet a family each week, something would happen, the dog would help the family, but at the end of the thing, the dog would have to leave. And it always used to be the dog going down the road by itself. F heartbreaking. We subjected ourselves to that every single week.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:22

Yeah, so there you go.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 37:24

Anyway. Should we carry on? Should we carry on? Should we do one more and then we'll uh we'll end this episode and then we'll uh carry on. We better motor through because there's quite a few on them.

SPEAKER_01 37:34

Yeah, we're gonna have to motor through the second second half.

SPEAKER_00 37:37

So, last one, pull up pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

If this is not a cowboy thing, I will eat my hat. Because doesn't it mean like get your head into gear? Like, isn't it like get like get in the game? Like, you know.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

Like like like pulling yourself out of a funk, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 37:54

Can you can you actually pull yourself up by your bootstraps?

SPEAKER_01 37:58

Well, yeah, because when you shove your shoes on, it means like you're you get you're ready for the day, like you're ready to go.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

No, it means actually pull yourself up so you you you can't do it. You physically can't do it. It it doesn't it doesn't work. So essentially what it means, it means trying to do something impossible alone.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

Oh, I've been using this phrase in the wrong context.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Well, phrases kind of they do. They do evolve.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

If if I was just tell someone to pull themselves up by the by your bootstraps, I'd be like, get your head in the game. Like you're not doing a good job, you need to do it better.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Yeah, I mean it it's And I'm not gonna help you. It does actually say here, when I scroll down, it does say modern meaning has got twisted into work harder.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

Work harder, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:38

So that yeah, so there you go. So it's kind of twisted.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Which is actually uh actually a testament to how we are in our modern day, to be honest. Yeah. Because it doesn't I I would really like pull yourself together, that that kind of phrasing. And it's kind of the fact that its original origin was it's impossible, you can't do it alone, to work harder is a very interesting change in our language.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

I've never actually used the phrase pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

I've never said to someone pull yourself together, because to me that's actually quite derogatory. It is derogatory, and it's saying like man up, it's the same sort of thing. Sort yourself out.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

I feel like it's a context thing. I've definitely said, oh come on, you can get through this, you can get out of this, which is very much a very similar phrase.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

I said it to myself, sort yourself out, man.

SPEAKER_01 39:24

Yeah, sort yourself out. Come on, you got this. Don't yeah. It's kind of like I think it's context. It's definitely contextual. Yeah, look at you and your bottle of lemon. I know. That's good. That is a half lemon.

SPEAKER_00 39:36

That that was now the water makes it look bigger. That is half a lemon. That's a quarter, that's a quarter of a lemon. That's a quarter of a lemon. A quarter of a lemon.

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It's an entire lemon.

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So there we go. So uh shall we end it there? Yes. And then we've got quite a few other ones.

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Yeah, but we did start with a life update.

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We did start with a life update, it was quite long, and we did kind of yeah. Oh, I forgot about that one. Anyway, yeah, we'll do that one next week.

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Do that one next week.

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Next week. Well, what we'll do is we'll actually pause this here. I'll download this and then we'll start recording the next one.

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Yeah, indeed. Well, if you enjoyed this episode, please join us next week because we're gonna actually finish it. And then um, and uh yeah, if you enjoyed this episode, we've got plenty more in the old bankeroo, uh, both on YouTube and Spotify. The only thing left to say is cue the outro. Thanks for joining us on bonus dad, bonus daughter. Don't forget to follow us on all our socials and share the podcast with someone who'd love it. We are available on all streaming platforms. See you next time. Bye-bye, I'm gonna be able to do it.