You Use These Phrases Every Day, But Do You Know Where They Come From? Part Two

Ever said under the weather, mind your Ps and Qs, or steal your thunder and wondered who on earth came up with that? We pull the thread on the sayings we use every day and discover a trail through docks, pubs, theatres, carnivals, and battlefields. It turns out a lot of our go-to phrases are stubbornly literal: sailors ducked below deck to escape storms, stagehands burned lime to make a spotlight, and jockeys eased over the line with hands down when a win was certain.

We trace how practical fixes became language shortcuts. Cold shoulder started as a host’s frosty hint to leave, not a mood. Mind your Ps and Qs was a bartender’s reminder to track pints and quarts. Cut to the chase came from bored filmgoers demanding the action scene. On the grittier side, kick the bucket and face the music show how we soften talk about death and consequence with images that land fast and stick. And yes, close but no cigar really does lead back to fairground prizes.

Boats do a lot of heavy lifting here: know the ropes, break the ice, the bitter end. Theatre kids and tinkerers show up too—off the cuff from notes on shirt cuffs, and steal your thunder from a brilliant sound-effect maker robbed of his moment. We stop by the Bible for read the writing on the wall, and the Wild West for riding shotgun, then round it out with take it with a grain of salt for healthy scepticism and chew the fat for easy conversation.

Across it all, we stay curious, swap stories, and keep the energy light while grounding each phrase in history you can retell at dinner. If you love language, trivia, or just want better small talk, this one’s for you. Hit follow, share with a friend who quotes idioms for sport, and leave a quick review telling us which origin blew your mind.

Transcript

Welcome Back & Setup;

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Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad.

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Bonus Daughter, a special father-daughter podcast with me, Hannah.

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And me, Davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories. Within our ever-changing and complex world.

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Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view. And influences throughout the decades. Or you could choose one by contacting us via email, Instagram, Facebook, or TikTok. Links in bio. Welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter. This is part two.

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You stopped saying a special episode.

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Oh, why? Do you pick me up on these things when I'm halfway through the intro?

Sayings Deep Dive Kicks Off;

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Sorry.

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We are going to return with sayings and their origins because we were very much enjoying it but realised that we were talking about it far too much that we didn't get through even remotely half of them.

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We think we no. No, we only got through about a quarter of them. There's loads.

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So we're gonna power through for you. Uh, because we were really enjoying uh recording the last one, but we well, I don't know, we had a really long life update and we don't need to do it now because you've heard our life update.

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Yeah. So what have you done in the last 10 minutes, Hannah?

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In the last 10 minutes, I have sat on a chair and watched you just deal with the last episode and then sat back down, ready to go with the clapperboard, which I almost forgot.

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So I love that clapper board, it's amazing, isn't it?

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It is good. I it's a good gift. It's a good gift, it's a good gift.

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So shall we jump straight in?

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Yeah.

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So the last one we ended up with though was uh pull yourself up by your bootstraps. So we so the next one on the list is oh, I'm feeling a little under the weather.

Nautical Roots Of Everyday Phrases;

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This feels such a British thing to say. Like we it rains a lot in the UK, so you feel a bit when it's raining, it's it's a bit depressing. So I think my I don't know where this saying comes from, but it just feels like if it's gonna rain, you also feel a bit rubbish. Maybe it's like a bit of personification of the weather.

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No.

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Oh, cool. No, it actually I love it when my theory's wrong.

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It actually uh comes from boats and sailors.

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Because if they were sick, they'd go under deck when it was raining. So it'd be under the weather. That's so clever. That's where that's where it comes from.

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So yeah, it means basically sort of feeling if you're feeling sick, if you're on the on the deck and the weather's doing the the waves are kicking up and the rain's coming down, you're in a storm, and you're like, oh, do you know what?

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We'll weather it out.

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We'll weather it out. We'll weather the storm and we'll go below deck.

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Under the weather.

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Under the weather, that's what it means. So it means feeling sick or off.

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Nice.

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There is another one actually that I've just remembered, which I didn't put in here, and that's brass monkeys. It's cold enough to drop or it's it's brass monkeys out there.

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I've never heard that same. You've never heard that? No. No? Is it cold?

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It basically means it's cold. Because on boats they used to have what the the monkey would put all the cannonballs on. Oh, it's like a cannonball stand. But when it was really cold, because of course metal contracts and retracts. Yeah. When it was that cold, the metal would obviously change shape and they would all fall down. So it's cold enough to mock the balls off a brass monkey. So the brass monkey was a bit that the that's like a cannonball stand. Yeah.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, and if it got really cold, they would fall down. Cold enough to knock the balls off a brass monkey.

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Nice.

Pub Talk And Politeness Origins;

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That's why that's where that saying comes from. What's the next one? Mind your P's and Q's, young lady.

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Yeah, this is like to me, if I don't really remember ever being told this, but it's like watch your P's and Q's means be like remember to say your pleas and thank you's.

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That's what I always thought of.

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P's is like please and Q's is thank Q's. It's just how you say it in a British, well not British accent, but like a yeah.

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Yeah, mind your P's and Qs.

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You don't say thank you, you say thank you.

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You say it to kids, don't you? Yeah, watch your P's and Qs. Yeah, watch your P's and Q's. But I have no idea where it comes from. Well, bizarrely enough, because it's it's comes it's said to kids, it's actually to do with pubs and bars. Oh so P's were pints and Qs were quarts. A quarter of a pint. So it would make sure that you had to make sure that you didn't put the wrong label on the wrong thing. So you had to mind your P's and mind your Q's so you got the right one so you didn't undercharge or overcharge somebody. Oh that's the origin of it.

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So is it more about being careful than it is being polite?

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Yes. Yeah. But essentially it means being polite and careful, but that's where it comes from. Not pleas and thank yous. It comes from pints and quarts.

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Damn. They didn't know that.

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I was about that one then. I was today years old when I found that out.

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Yeah, me too. Me too.

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That's a little thing for another episode coming up.

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What's that?

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I was today years old.

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Oh, I see.

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I've written that episode as well.

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Have you?

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I have.

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Does this come in it?

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It doesn't. Good. No, it doesn't.

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Good. We like to keep the content fresh.

Night Watchmen And Graveyard Lore;

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We oh yeah, indeed we do. Indeed we do. Uh dun ding. So have you ever heard the term working the graveyard shift?

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Where the heck have you seen that?

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Just below. Below it says mind your P's and Q's.

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Then mine says lightning round.

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Yeah. Well this this is a quick one. This is a quick one. Oh, sorry. Carry on. Yeah. Graveyard Shift. You heard that one? Working the graveyard shift.

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Yeah, late, late night working.

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Essentially, yeah. Yeah. So basically that's when people used to watch the graveyards would be at night because they were used to stop the grave robbers coming in.

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The grave robbers.

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So you'd work the graveyard shift.

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What sh what shit job? What? The grave like what defence did graveyard keepers? What's a graveyard? What's a graveyard keeper called? Like a grave?

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Night watchman?

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Graveyard watchman? Like what would they have at their disposal to defend against robbers? Well, well I suppose I wonder if many actually died.

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Like a a baton or something. Yeah, I suppose whatever they could find.

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Okay.

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A baton. A shilly.

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A shilleley.

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Shilleli. A melee weapon. So you know what shilleley is? I have no idea. It's made of blackthorn. It's a it's an Irish walking stick.

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Oh, okay.

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But a shilly, it's made of blackthorn and it is proper heavy.

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As in like the blackthorn bush.

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Yeah. Yeah, and it it's made uh it was made over time. They let it um basically to make a proper shilleley, you have to let you know keep the wood for a while and then carb it and take all the things.

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Oh damn, they ferment it.

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Yeah, oh yeah, and it's it's it's proper, proper hard. And at the top of it, it's got a ball. Oh, so it's it's walking stick, but of course, shillelys, you get cracked with one of those. Yeah, yeah. So they used to be weapons as well in Ireland. So it's is it's basically walking around with a weapon or shillety. So yeah, graveyard, graveyard people could have had shillelys.

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To be fair, my walking cane could take someone out as well, and it's not a fancy one.

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You know, sorry. When you think about grave people who work in graveyard shifts, you've got I've got this image of this guy dressed all in black with like this big pole with like one of those lights on the top. The lantern on the top.

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That's what I've got in my head.

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I've just got this image now of someone robbing a grave and then him him going like all ninja with his stick. With the lantern, swinging the lantern around, and it's like on a retractable cord. A retractable cord.

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That would that would cause some harm. Dunking someone with a lantern. It's like it's like burn and and just like blunt force former.

Cold Shoulder To Bathwater Warnings;

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It's like a like a almost like a nunchuck type thing, like whipping someone with a lantern.

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Nice.

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Yeah, there you go. So maybe you had one, maybe they had one of those.

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What a great visual.

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Yes. Uh Dead ringer.

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I I'm familiar with the phrase, but I actually don't know what a dead ringer is.

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Dead ringer. Uh so basically it means if they misidentify a corpse.

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Because I know Meatloaf sang about that.

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There's a real dead ringer fun. And share.

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And share.

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And share. Oh, your mum went to see um Tina Turner the other day, by the way.

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The actual Tina Turner?

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Uh at the Norwich Theatre Royal.

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So not Tina Turner.

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The actual Tina Turner, but the life story of Tina Turner. Oh right.

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I didn't realise she had a life story.

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Yeah. It was really good, apparently. Okay. Uh the term caught red-handed.

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Many and she call me red-handed hitting with the girl next door. But this we were both butt-nak naked, banging on the bathroom floor. I've heard this phrase from Shaggy.

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So if you're caught red-handed and you've just murdered someone, you've literally got blood on your hands. So you've been caught. Yeah, you've literally been caught red-handed with blood on your hands after doing a murder. But we all know from films, actually having blood on your hands and being caught not doesn't necessarily mean that you're the murderer.

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You could be the one trying to save their lives.

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You could have been. You could have been. You could have been trying to save Leslie Tiller.

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Leslie Tiller was murdered.

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It was an accident.

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Big bushy beard.

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Yeah.

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Um should we move on?

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Yeah, should we move on? So yeah, so uh what about giving someone the cold shoulder?

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Le cold shoulder. I don't really know. I mean, if I was to give someone the cold shoulder, I'd just ignore them. That's what it means, isn't it? It's it's it's it's I'm mad at you, but I'm not gonna tell you why I'm mad at you.

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Yeah, it's it's the this is actually uh almost like a very British thing.

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Yeah.

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It's like when no, the where where the origin actually comes from, it's like because you know what we're like, we you know as as as very reserved, aren't we? We are very reserved, but but at the same time we can be quite passive aggressive with things. So you know, like when uh if if you're wanting someone to leave right in your house and you go, Oh, would you like a cup of tea before you go?

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Yeah.

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That's kind of code for say no, bugger off.

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Yeah, isn't it? Oh no, I couldn't possibly, and then you run away.

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Yeah, exactly. And the other thing we tend to do when when the other person goes to leave, and you make a big song and dance out of it, and you kind of go, Right Yeah. I'm gonna be off. It's like just go, just go.

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Just leave.

Secrets, Shame, And Consequences;

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Irish goodbye. Irish goodbye, just leave, just leave. So giving someone the cold shoulder, basically, in medieval times, if someone kind of overstayed their welcome, the hosts would serve them cold meat from the shoulder. Ah it was kind of like a subtle a subtle insult, as I'd say, jog on.

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Jog on or eat this really bad meat.

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Yes, is kind of code. Kind of code. Yep. Next one throwing the baby out with the bath water.

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I have never heard this saying before. You've never heard that? No.

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I mean Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Is it MMM?

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I mean I mean my head goes to a very dark place, but I imagine. Go on, what did you where does your head go to? I mean it a baby's small. I mean, I know they can't fit for a plug hole, but that's very uh, you know, that's that's that's parental abuse right there.

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Well, where it where it kind of comes from is so hot water was quite expensive. Got it. So they would fill the bath once and the entire family would bathe first would bathe, but they would bathe in the hierarchy of the family.

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So the baby got the cold water.

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So the baby got the last water. By the time the baby got in there, the water was absolutely free.

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That was probably why there were so many baby deaths.

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Well, because back then. Well, because they couldn't see the baby in the dirty waters.

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No, no, no, because they were they were washing in filth.

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Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

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But you wouldn't want the baby in there first because that's when it's hottest.

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To me, baths are filthy. I mean, I haven't had a bath for years.

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Uh I only want to both. I like a shower. I don't like baths. I am with you. However, you you also don't have women's monthly issues that a bath can really.

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Yeah, I I get that. I get that. I I would I would probably have a shower first, then a bath.

War, Cost, And Colloquial Wisdom;

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Yeah, I have been known to do that actually. I've been known to because I don't like washing my hair in the bath. I don't like the dunking back situation. So I have been known to wash my hair in the shower and then leave the bath running.

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Oh my god, we we used to have these kind of like plastic things that you used to put on the taps for a shower because we didn't have showers.

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Oh, yeah.

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And then you turn the taps on, the bungs, yeah. And then if one of them came off, you either scalded yourself or froze yourself, depending on which one it was. Yeah, that that traumatized me as a kid as well. That's a Gen X thing. Yeah, I imagine. Um, but basically it means, yeah, by the time the water was filthy, you would throw the water out because the baby was the last one in there.

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Right.

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But remember to take the baby out first before you take the water.

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Be careful.

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Yeah, essentially, yeah, it's being careful. Or don't discard the good with the bad.

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Oh.

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That's what it means. Because the baby's good. And the bathroom bad stinky.

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In most occasions, I guess the baby is good. Yeah.

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Yeah. Uh a skeleton in the closet.

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I mean, yeah, this is like not one of your secrets out there. That's that's exactly that, yeah. If you've got skeletons in your closet, you've got a lot to hide.

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Yeah, it's a secret that you don't want exposed.

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But were where the origin comes from?

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Were skeleton people?

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They don't actually know for definite where the origin actually was, but they do think it does refer to literal bodies buried within the house.

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Damn.

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So yeah, that's what it means.

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Okay, fair. Yeah. It's a literal one.

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It's a literal one, but it kind of to now it kind of means don't let family secrets out. You know, they've got skeletons in their closet. They've got that family's got secrets, that house has got secrets, that type of thing.

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Yeah, I get you.

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That's what I can tell you. Just face the music.

Bible Verses And Cultural Echoes;

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Yeah, this is like accepting accepting your fate. Um I assume this has some sort of like war crime, like and then you've got to face the the the the cavalry. Am I kinda, yeah, yeah, you're on the right lines. That's where I would think it would come from. Yeah. Um it's the only time where I can think of music being the downfall of like i uh music in in water. That's the music in you. Well it kind of don't let go. Um yeah, I feel like that's where that like when music is a bad thing.

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Yeah, so obviously in the military, yeah, dis disgraced soldiers were marched out to drums.

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Oh, okay, I got it.

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So and they literally had to stand there and face the drummers. So they had to face the music.

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Yeah.

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So that's what it was. But they were disgraced. Yeah. So is again, it's it's it's like a literal, it's like a literal thing.

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Yeah, makes sense.

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Accept your consequences.

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Accept your consequences.

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Yes.

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Is that the phrase?

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No, no, no, no. That's what that's what you know, face the music means you've got to accept your consequences. Accept your fate. Kick the bucket.

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I only know this to mean death. Yeah. Like, yeah, if you kick the bucket, you're dead, but I have no idea where it comes from.

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So there's two theories on this. Theory one is if someone was hung, I was gonna say this is that's where my dark someone was hanged, they would stand on a bucket and then and the bucket would get kicked. Yeah. And long drop, short drop, yeah, you'd you know, you're you're dead. Another theory is that animals, as well, when they were hung for whatever reason, they would be hung from a wooden bucket frame and they would kick it as they as they died. Oh that's horrific. Absolutely horrific, but that's another theory.

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Makes you want to turn vegan, that does.

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It does indeed.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, it literally means to die. Bury the hatchet.

Turning A Blind Eye To Near Misses;

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I know this phrase to mean bygones be bygones, like, like yeah, like, like let's let's move on. Let's bury the hatchet. Yeah. With both let's, you know, let's let's where do you think it comes from?

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You can see it on your screen, by the way.

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I I know, but I like to guess. I don't like to look and and make it. I like to guess.

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Yeah.

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Um, I suppose it comes from Native American tribes where literally bury weapons as a symbol of peace after conflict, but I definitely did not read that off the script.

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Exactly that. So that is exactly what I mean. So so yeah, it's a symbolic thing as saying, look, I'm gonna put my let's bury our war tools, utensils, yeah, so that we're friends again.

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It's ironic to me.

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It's not bury the hatchet in someone else's head.

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It's ironic to me that this is a Native American tribe. They're the ones that are like, you know, peace. Let's let's move from this. Whilst, you know, there's obviously a lot of history between Native Americans and non-Native Americans. That's where it's funny to me that the the the side that are the peacekeepers still want to keep the peace. Like that's where the original is.

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Well, it's we we do it as well. You know, when we shake someone's hand, yeah, we're we're showing that we don't have a weapon in our hand. Yeah. That's where it's the same, it's the same thing. It's a symbolic gesture, isn't it? Yeah. So that's what that is. Bury the hatchet is peace. You know, and again, like when you shake hands, same sort of thing. Peace, peace. Yes. Oh, I hate these icebreakers.

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Break the ice.

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Break the ice.

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Yeah, I only know this to be um you're meeting someone for the first time. Here's a couple of things that you know we can we can discuss that are safe topics before we know each other better.

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Exactly. But it's a weird thing to say, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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In that situation.

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It does. It doesn't from a literal perspective, I actually can't see where the connection would be.

Carnivals, Combat, And Commitment;

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Well, but going back to boats.

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Boats.

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Boats.

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Boats have a lot to do with these.

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Yeah, so what they used to do is boats used to break the ice, smaller boats used to put so trade vessels could pass through and so ease the tension for the bigger ships. Easing tension.

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Yeah, makes sense.

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So break the ice means then then the bigger ships could actually go through plain sailing. So it's like opening up a isn't it cool?

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Isn't it cool that that has uh evolved into a very personalised or personified in a sense? That's that's quite a cool phrase. I quite like that. How that's come that how that's come right round from meaning a literal meaning to uh like something that's so there's something that everyone seems to do when they meet a new person. Exactly.

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So there's something blocking your way, so you need something to break through.

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I'm a huge fan of that.

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Yeah, break through that ice in order for the conversation to flow.

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Yeah, I like it.

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So that's where that's where that comes from.

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That's very cool.

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Oh, I'm not pining for that. That's gonna cost an arm and a leg.

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The only thing I can think of with this one is obviously it means that it costs a fortune, and I can only assume that arms and legs were um somewhat sought after back ye old times. Or is it not that at all?

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Is it not is it's actually it it actually comes from World War II where another war soldiers would come back and there would be missing limbs. Yeah, yeah. So it literally that cost them.

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Oh, that cost them an arm and a leg. Oh, see, I was thinking like black market kidney selling.

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No, no. So it means it's it essentially means there's something that's gonna be really expensive. It's cost them greatly going out to war, it's cost them greatly. It cost them an arm and a leg.

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Oh, makes sense. So that's where that phrase comes from. I like it.

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Read the writing on the wall.

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With your pictures hanging on the wall. Where do you think this comes from? I realize my love for you are strong. And I miss you here. Now you're gone. That was cool. There you go. Uh I don't know why I went into that because pictures on the wall, but what band is that?

SPEAKER_04 19:04

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

Who is that? Is that Chase and Status? No.

SPEAKER_04 19:06

No, it's not Chase and Status.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

I always get this too confused. It's very Bass Hunter.

SPEAKER_04 19:11

The Bass Hunter came to me. It's a minor key, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 19:14

It's a very flat.

SPEAKER_04 19:16

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

When you say it's dirge when you actually think about it. There's very, very little variation in the street.

SPEAKER_04 19:27

It's very monotone and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

Um I reckon we could jazz it up.

SPEAKER_04 19:31

I reckon we could. Oh, I did that the other day. So your mum your mum wanted me to make this mixtape for her. So she was giving me all these songs, and I was like, well, that's not gonna fit. That's cute.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

How cute is it that my parents are making mixtapes for each other?

SPEAKER_04 19:45

I know what I'm doing, because it's so when she swims, I want to keep her swimming. When she swims, just such a lovely house. She got her shocks in so she can swim at certain things. So what I've done is I've beat matched a load of songs. I know, I've beat matched a load of songs, but I've gone from like 90 bpm all the way up to 120 bpm in the space of an hour to like get her swimming faster.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

I I think that's so cute. I think the audience will think that's really cute. It's a cute thing to do.

SPEAKER_04 20:09

So I've been so I've been she give me all these songs, and I was like, oh my god, that none of the romance isn't dead. Yeah, none of these are gonna fit. They're all in different keys, they're all in different BPM. So I've kind of arranged them the best I can. And I I can't remember it, uh, to dance. Um that one, Daft Punk.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Oh. Lose yourself to dance.

SPEAKER_04 20:27

Uh I mixed that with Dance Monkey.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Saying, oh my god, Mansina, where you shine. Dance, very, dance, why, dance, why, y'all.

SPEAKER_04 20:35

They are in keys that will not work. Okay. Right? Completely different keys. So what I did, I changed the key to from uh to lose yourself to dance into the key of Dance Monkey. And I mixed it, it worked, it's hilarious. Nice, it is so funny because the key just sounds completely different to what the original key. Very cool. And it goes, dance for me, dance for me, dance for me, whoa. And it goes, lose yourself to dance. And so I've mixed it like that. Yeah, it's really good. It's really good. But yeah, I was quite chuckled with that. Sorry, where does anyone have the writing on the wall come from? Right, yeah, sorry. Um, yes, so it actually comes from the Bible.

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Ah.

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SPEAKER_04 21:13

You know, the fictitious book that everybody reads. Uh, it comes from the book of Daniel. And within the book of Daniel, a mysterious message appeared on a wall predicting something.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Like Harry Potter, the Chamber of Secrets, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_04 21:28

Indeed. And it was like a warning sign.

SPEAKER_02 21:31

I see.

SPEAKER_04 21:32

The book of Danielle.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 21:34

Yes. So that's very important.

SPEAKER_02 21:36

They should have re read the writing on the wall in the chamber of secrets. Otherwise, Ginny would not have been taken.

SPEAKER_04 21:42

Indeed. Indeed.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

Learn from your mistakes.

SPEAKER_04 21:46

What about turning a blind eye?

SPEAKER_02 21:50

I know this phrase to mean uh let let something that's kind of a minor uh a minor inconvenience uh in your life just just um Or someone's made a mistake and you think, uh, we'll let this one slide.

SPEAKER_04 22:03

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm gonna pretend that I didn't notice that.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

That's yeah, I'm gonna I'm not gonna say yes.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

Like I'm sure a lot of police officers in the UK turn a blind eye to the smell of weed, for example. Yeah, yeah. I don't know where it comes from.

SPEAKER_04 22:17

Oh, this is funny. This is this is kind of a little bit of a work story. So I was at work, this it's a few years ago, and I was with a colleague of mine, and I saw, and it was just on the road, I was looking at this road, and I was seeing this bus reverse, and we both looked at each other and went, if we turn around, because we could see this bus was not doing us went, if we turn around, it's not happening. So he said, like basically turn a blind eye. So we kind of and as we did it, crunch went into a fence, and we all thought, Oh Christ.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Uh-oh. Now I have to actually do it again.

SPEAKER_04 22:48

Yeah, now I'm gonna have to go and help him out. Um, but he could have missed it, but he didn't. Uh so apparently the phrase comes from you know a guy called Admiral Horatio Nelson.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

I have heard of him, yes.

SPEAKER_04 23:00

Because this is Nelson's County, you know that Nelson was from Norfolk.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

Yes, he was. Yep.

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SPEAKER_04 23:04

Uh apparently he supposedly ignored orders by putting a telescope to his blind eye. Ah no, can't see nothing. Uh no, no, no, I can't see what you're telling me. No, I disagree with that.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

I see.

SPEAKER_04 23:22

Or do you reckon he said it in Norfolk accent? That went West Country.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Yeah, I don't know why you did West Country.

SPEAKER_04 23:26

Why do I keep going West Country when I do my own native accent? With my own native accent. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

That's better.

SPEAKER_04 23:34

Hey. That's better, but that's better, but hey, but um goo you steady. Gooey steady.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

You got some flurs.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

That's right, it's a little bit dole meal, that's West Country. Um, so close but no cigar.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

I say this a lot, yeah, despite the fact I have no idea where the origins come from. Yeah. Okay. Close but no cigar. So So it's like, is it like is it it it it because cigars are like normally credited as being like posh, right? Yeah. So it's like if something's like, it's okay, but it's not quite a cigar. Like it's it's not quite caviar, it's just a bit of fish.

SPEAKER_04 24:14

Uh no, so basically my theories are always wrong. Basically, in some of the uh carnivals, cigars were given away as gifts if someone won something.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

I see. Close, but no cigars. Exactly. You were close, I was not no cigars.

SPEAKER_04 24:34

Almost, but not quite. Yeah. Not quite. The whole nine yards.

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SPEAKER_02 24:40

Yeah, I I don't knew this one. I don't know how many yards, how many, how much distance nine yards is.

SPEAKER_04 24:47

Right, so back in what was World War II thing again, fighter planes had about nine yards of ammunition belts.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:55

So if they used all of their ammunition, they'd used the whole nine yards. Eight metres worth of So if they used the whole nine yards, they used all of their bullets. It basically means giving everything you've got. Yeah, giving everything that you've got. Yeah. So yeah, your full effort or the entire thing. Does that make sense? So it's from World War II fire pilots.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

We wee.

SPEAKER_04 25:19

Painting the town red.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

I I I know this as if you're going to paint the town red, you're gonna go out and party. That's what I know this phrase to mean. Um, so so painting town red, I can only assume I don't know, blood kind of comes to mind. Well, I don't know where the origin comes from.

SPEAKER_04 25:39

Apparently, the origin comes from a well, this is where they think it comes from. There was an event in 1837 where drunk British nobles, it was us. It's always the British. It's always the British.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

And they're always drunk.

SPEAKER_04 25:50

Went out and completely vandalised the town by painting it red.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

Oh, literally.

SPEAKER_04 25:56

Literally painted the town red. They were all drunk and they went out and they caused absolute chaos.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

There we are.

SPEAKER_04 26:03

Pop the question.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

I mean, pop the question to me is it's it's marriage, it's a marriage proposal.

SPEAKER_04 26:07

It is a marriage proposal.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Oh, did he pop the question? I've definitely used that phrase. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 26:12

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Yeah, so where did it come from?

SPEAKER_04 26:15

Well, the word pop meant something unexpected in the 1800s. Uh an unexpected, an unexpected question?

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SPEAKER_02 26:22

I feel like I don't know if we use the term pop in relation in in this context without using the phrase pop the question. I'm gonna pop out, so I'm uh unexpectedly gonna go out. Are you gonna pop out?

SPEAKER_04 26:35

Are you gonna go out or are you gonna go out out?

SPEAKER_02 26:37

Out, yeah. So I'm just gonna pop out for a bit. You do kind of use that phrase actually.

SPEAKER_04 26:42

Well, the English language is quite depending on what word you use in what and the word you use in what context, it changes the meaning of it completely.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

Yeah, because visually, when I think of if someone was to say, I'm just gonna pop out, they pop up from their seat and go. That I think that I think I've always taken this very literally.

SPEAKER_04 26:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

Literal literal, like popping up.

SPEAKER_04 27:01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Like, oh, but that's I guess the same meaning, isn't it? It's an unexpected pop goes the weasel. A jack, a jack in the box. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:08

Yeah. Off the cuff. And I knew that I did know this one. Gonna go off the cuff.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

Gonna go off the cuff, improvised. Um, which is what this a lot of this podcast is by the fact that we have a lot of this off the cuff. We do a lot of off the cuff because we've got to. Because stories and stuff come out of us literally in the moment. As you know, I don't look at these scripts, so mine are all very native.

SPEAKER_04 27:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

They just come out of me. Um, but I don't know what it means.

SPEAKER_04 27:32

It means so actors and speakers used to write notes on their shirt cuffs as a quick reference guide. Uh so doing it off the cuff.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

Oh my gosh, it's like spark notes, but yeah, just just the cliff notes on the thing.

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SPEAKER_04 27:46

Doing it off the cuff. In fact, when you when you come round, because I know you come around later, I didn't actually come around us later. You will see you will see, I'll show you upstairs in the in my little room where I've got all my tales from the mammal frequency stories, yeah, and you'll look at it and you'll go, There's no way you've written all of them, because I've got like 25 stories now. But what I've written is I've written the premise for all of them, broken down what the chapters will be in the in the plays, but when I come to do it, it'll all be improvised. It'll be off the cuff. Off the cuff. So I'll know what I want to do in that bit, and then I'll write it off the cuff.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:17

Improvise.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

It's a structured off the cuff.

SPEAKER_04 28:20

It's a structured off the cuff. Which is exactly what this is. Yeah. So and then I will then listen to a band go, oh what, and then write it that way. So that's how it's done. In fact, and sorry, this is another quick tangent. Oh my gosh. I was have you ever heard the song The Riddle by Nick Kershaw? It's an 80s song. There's a tree by a river, there's a hole in a ground, and a man made of air and goes around and around. No, that one brilliant song came on randomly the other day, and you know I like lyrics and I like to decipher lyrics.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

I am aware of this song.

SPEAKER_04 28:49

I remember I was like, I'm gonna what is this song about? So I listened to it over and over again, and I was like, for the first time ever, I was like, I've got no idea where he's going with this song. Yeah, I can't decipher it. And I finally thought, do you know what? I'm just gonna look it up. What is The Riddle about by Nick Kershaw? And do you know what it is? It was his guide track. So you know when when you write songs and you say words randomly to make to make it fit the pattern, and then you rewrite the song afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

So it literally means nothing.

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SPEAKER_04 29:22

It literally means nothing. He he wrote that was what he was singing off the cuff to write the song as a guide track. When he then wrote the lyrics down, it was like that works as a song. So it literally means nothing.

SPEAKER_02 29:37

Like six, seven.

SPEAKER_04 29:38

Yeah. So I was like, I was trying to work it out for ages, and I was like, oh my god, that's genius. No, absolutely genius. There you go. Um, buy the skin of your teeth.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

You've got something, but you only just got it. Yes. I mean, there's no skin on your teeth, but I feel like when you're in a when you're in a situation that's um you've just made it, you go, oh, like you grit your teeth and you go, well. So that would be my guess.

SPEAKER_04 30:03

Yeah, I mean, well, because teeth don't actually have skin. So it's like uh it's a phrase to say you've just got there by the skin of your teeth, by that, by that.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

That was such such a little small version. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:13

So that's where'd it come from? Uh apparently it came from the Bible, the book of Job. But I don't remember that being in the book of Job.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Can't can't say I recall that. Yeah, but then again, I don't recall all of the Bible that I've read.

SPEAKER_04 30:25

The book of Job's horrible. Yeah. It's not a it's not a nice book. Well, none of it is really, but anyway. Um beggars can't be choosers.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

I mean, it's a very literal saying, really, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 30:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

If you want something from someone, you cannot be uh if it's not quite to your liking, I mean you can't you can't expect. Yeah, you can't expect the get what you get. Yeah, get what yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:50

You take what you get, beggars can't be choosers.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:53

It's a bit it's a bit passive aggressive as well, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 30:56

A little.

SPEAKER_04 30:56

A little. Yeah. Um yeah, basically means from the reality that someone in need couldn't demand luxury.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 31:03

So that's what it means. You are on thin ice, my boy or my girl.

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SPEAKER_02 31:10

Yeah, risky situation. I I yeah, this has gotta be literal. It's gotta be. If you're on thin ice, that is such a good way to describe that you are, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

If this is not literal, I will it is literal.

SPEAKER_04 31:23

Yeah. It is absolutely literal. It means basically if you're walking on a on a lake that could crack any second, you go down. So it's a risky situation, essentially. The next one. I know this one! And this is where I got the idea for this podcast from.

SPEAKER_02 31:37

Yes, because I mentioned this in the last video. So do you want to take this one? To steal someone's thunder, yeah. So there was basically this guy who wasn't a very good playwright, but he did make a really good machine that created the sound effect of thunder in the theatres. Um, and then another another company came into his slot after his play didn't do well and used his thunder machine. He was in the crowd and shouted, Don't steal my thunder, or you stole my thunder, and that's where the phrase comes from.

SPEAKER_04 32:03

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

Frickin' clever. Love it. I love the origin of this one. But yeah, I did say that in another episode. Um so I'll rattle through that one quickly.

SPEAKER_04 32:10

And that is where I got the idea for this episode from, from that little two-minute segment that we did in the case.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

My little two-minute segment, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:18

To be honest, that's where we get a lot of our podcast ideas from is when we say something.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Something randomly on a spot, and I'm like, we could make a whole episode about that.

SPEAKER_04 32:25

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

We've got a lot still to run through, and I'm very conscious of the time.

SPEAKER_04 32:29

We're we're not we're not too far off.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

Okay, go on that.

SPEAKER_04 32:31

Um, loose cannon.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

Yeah, uh, if someone's a loose cannon, they're unpredictable.

SPEAKER_04 32:36

They are very unpredictable. Uh basically on old warships, yeah, cannons would tie down if one brook if one brook. Brooke one brookloose. One brook loose, that was Norfolk. You went Scottish. I did, I don't know why. Sorry, Joe. If one broke, if one broke, if one broke loose, if one broke, um, it would basically roll around the deck and kill vod kill people. Yeah. Yeah, so dangerous, an unpredictable and dangerous thing person. That's what it means. Got it.

SPEAKER_02 33:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 33:04

I hate people who do that by the way, and I just did it. Air quotes. Air quotes.

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SPEAKER_02 33:08

I air quote quite a lot.

SPEAKER_04 33:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

Running amok. This is like headless chicken, like chaos, isn't it? Out of control or chaotic.

SPEAKER_04 33:15

Running amok.

SPEAKER_02 33:16

Where'd it come from?

SPEAKER_04 33:17

It comes from the word mook, describing warriors who went into a sudden violent frenzy. Oh, rage. Yeah. So it's almost like berserk, like the berserk biking berserkers.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

Yeah. Yeah. The one on the bridge that went crazy.

SPEAKER_04 33:33

Oh, the Stanford Bridge. Yeah. The Stanford Bridge Berserker. Yes. So basically that's where it comes from. It's from the word mook, which is a Malay word, and their warriors would suddenly go into a violent frenzy during battle, and they would run over. Run a mook. Run a mook. Yeah. Run a mook. Go crazy. Chew the fat. Have you ever heard that phrase before?

SPEAKER_02 33:50

I have heard the phrase. I only know this to mean uh talk. Chew the fat. Oh, we're gonna have a little chat. Like informal.

SPEAKER_04 33:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:56

Informal chat.

SPEAKER_04 33:57

Essentially, that's what it is. So basically, sailors and soldiers used to Oh talked over meals.

SPEAKER_02 34:04

Makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 34:04

But they would they would some of the meat that they had was very chewy.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:09

So they would basically talk over their meals whilst chewing the fat. The bad meat. The bad meat.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:16

So that's what it means. Pass the buck.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

Yeah, pass the blame on to someone else. But I don't know what a buck is. Like a buck to me is like a horse kicking you off, like bucking.

SPEAKER_04 34:27

Well, in poker back they used to have like this buckhorned handle knife, you know the and that was used as the marker for the dealer.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

Oh, so it's just passing the dealer on like little blind, yeah.

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SPEAKER_04 34:39

Yeah, big bind, little bind dealer. So it would be passing the buck knife around the table to see who's gonna be the next person in charge. Yeah. Or the dealer. So yeah, shifting the blame or responsibility. Oh, you're barking up the wrong tree there.

SPEAKER_02 34:54

To me, this just means that um uh your theory is uh yeah, it's an understanding that your theory might not be hitting the mark. Um uh barking up the wrong tree anyway, uh, is lyrics in a lower than Atlantis song. Emily, won't you sit next to me? It's a great song. Great song. I wish my name was Emily for that song. Mum mum misnamed named me. I like my name actually.

SPEAKER_04 35:23

It's a palindrome.

SPEAKER_02 35:24

I do like my name.

SPEAKER_04 35:25

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

It's a palindrome. There is a song with Hannah in it by a band called Coin, and that's a pretty good song. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:31

Did you know my original name was gonna be Daniel?

SPEAKER_02 35:33

Oh, you're a Daniel.

SPEAKER_04 35:34

I was originally gonna be a Daniel, but then David Bowie. No, but then Elton John released a song whereby um the song Daniel, whereby the boy dies in the song.

SPEAKER_02 35:43

Oh, so your mum was out there on temp fate.

SPEAKER_04 35:45

So that's when they went, actually no, my mum said, actually now I'm gonna name him after my five favourite Davids.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:50

There we go. Uh so basically it means that hunting dogs would sometimes bark at the base of the wrong tree if the prey had escaped. So if you think a dog is chasing, let's say a squirrel.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:02

And the squirrel goes up the tree, the scent is still there, the squirrel jumps across the trees, but the dog is still barking up that one, so he's barking up the wrong tree.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

Got it. There we go.

SPEAKER_04 36:11

Uh cut to the chase.

SPEAKER_02 36:12

Like, get to the point.

SPEAKER_04 36:14

Get to the point.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:16

So.

SPEAKER_02 36:16

But I have no idea, like, cut to the chase, like it's almost like get to the get to the chase scene. We're so bored of watching this movie that we want to get to the police chase scene. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 36:26

It was done from films.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

I didn't even look.

SPEAKER_04 36:29

Yeah. So early silent films used to have kind of like long, boring build-ups, and the audiences would want to just come on, get on with it. We've got to the chase. Cut to the chase scene. We want the chasing.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

We want to say that action. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:40

You know, the you know, the the lady tied to the train tracks with the dastardly man with the moustache. And they're like chasing.

SPEAKER_02 36:48

Yeah, nice, because that's the interesting bit.

SPEAKER_04 36:49

Yeah. Film called Bullet with Steve McQueen has got the best chasing ever in it. Okay. Amazing chasing. Know the ropes.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

Um, I've heard of this in the context of let me show you the ropes, which is like show them how to do something.

SPEAKER_04 37:04

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

So, yeah, yeah, understand how things work.

SPEAKER_04 37:08

Exactly. It's it's another boat reference.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

Oh, the boats, they're coming in.

SPEAKER_04 37:12

Yeah, the sailors would need to know what rope did what with the sails. Yeah, know your ropes. So know the ropes. Yeah. Yeah, know the ropes.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

Let me show you the ropes, yeah. Makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 37:21

Hands down. Where did that phrase come from?

SPEAKER_02 37:24

I only know this in the context of like I can't.

SPEAKER_04 37:28

I won that hands down.

SPEAKER_02 37:29

Yeah, yeah. That's how I'm trying to think it. Like, I I uh certainty. Like, like I I I'm locked in. That's kind of like how I think of it in my head.

SPEAKER_04 37:38

So horse racing term. Oh so when jockeys would know that they were winning, they would drop their hands and just ride over the finish line. So they won with their hands down.

SPEAKER_02 37:47

Hands down, yeah. So easily hands down, that was the best th meal I've ever had. Like yeah, it's like certainty. Yeah, certainty.

SPEAKER_04 37:54

Easily without effort.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:56

Yeah. Take the cake.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

Yeah, uh, I've heard of this phrase, but I would have no idea.

SPEAKER_04 38:02

So in the 1800s, cake walk contestants were awarded cake as a prize.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

Oh so it was So when someone's uh something's called a cake walk, it's easy. That's that means easy, but I've always wondered like to hold a cake actually is quite if you're holding someone's birthday cake. I used to work at a birthday centre, like a like a uh a play centre. Oh you did, didn't you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:27

Where you get baked beans in kids' noses.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

The freaking worst thing about that job was taking a birthday cake to the birthday zone whilst children are running around you and you don't want to drop the freaking thing because obviously you know you don't want to ruin someone's birthday. And I will say I've never dropped a cake, I never dropped a single one. But if there was one that was a little bit heavy, we used to get my colleague, male colleague, to take it because I was like, mate, this is too heavy for me. I'm I'm actually really worried about dropping it. And I'd put the pressure on them instead. But I would be behind them, and sometimes it would take two people to hold a cake if it was really, really bad. Um, but yeah, I've I've never understood the term cakewalk to mean easy.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

Yeah. That's what it means. Um, stealing the show, I think, is obvious.

SPEAKER_02 39:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:10

That is exactly what it is. It's from theatre performers who outshine everyone else. Yeah, yeah. In the limelight. Why lime? So early stage lighting used to use heated lime to create a bright spotlight.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

Heated lime.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

Yeah, heated lime would create a brighter spot.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

Like lime, the fruit.

SPEAKER_04 39:31

No, not the lime and the fruit. The the um like white powdery stuff.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

Oh, cochee. So used to use that.

SPEAKER_04 39:40

So that would put the brightest light. Yeah, limestone. Yeah. So that would that would create the brightest light, which means that would be the centre of attention.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

Right.

SPEAKER_04 39:47

In the limelight.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Right.

SPEAKER_04 39:48

Yeah, rather than any of the other any other lights.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

I see.

SPEAKER_04 39:52

A flash in the pan.

SPEAKER_02 39:54

Something quick, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 39:55

Yes. Well, it means basically something that looks really good, but then just oh, it's gone. Like a one-hit wonder. Right, okay. That's what a flash in the pan means. So basically, sometimes some old muskets, when they fired, they sometimes flashed in the pan, but nothing came out. They didn't shoot.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

So nothing came out.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

I just assume it meant kind of quick. I'd I guess easily done. Yeah, easily over, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:20

Yeah, uh something that looks promising but fails very quickly. Essentially. Go the whole hog.

SPEAKER_02 40:29

I I only know this phrase as full ham. Like I'm gonna go, yeah. Go the whole hog. Go all in. Go all in, yeah. Go on. All effort.

SPEAKER_04 40:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:38

Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 40:39

It's a butchering term.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Of course.

SPEAKER_04 40:41

When cutting up a hog, it means you use absolutely everything. Yeah, you give it a cognition. Nothing goes to waste. Yeah, makes sense. Go the whole hog. Um, pleased as punch.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

This is a phrase I've never used, but feels very British, like, oh, he's pleased as punch. I can imagine like Nana saying this for some reason. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean to be happy. He he's he's he's really happy. So, what makes Punch so happy would be more expression? That's the way to do it. Punch and Judy. Punch and Judy.

SPEAKER_04 41:10

Because Punch would be happy and he was very smug.

SPEAKER_02 41:14

That's the way to do it. I actually don't like it.

SPEAKER_04 41:16

He's as punch.

SPEAKER_02 41:17

I don't like punch and judy.

SPEAKER_04 41:18

Punch and duty's horrible. He's a wife beater.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

He's a wife beater.

SPEAKER_04 41:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:22

It's absolutely true.

SPEAKER_04 41:23

I don't think you can get punch and duty shows anymore.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

Well, I if they do, they need to make them a bit more modern.

SPEAKER_04 41:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:29

People don't hit their wives anymore.

SPEAKER_04 41:31

Riding shotgun.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

I mean, yeah, riding in the in the in the in the front of the car is what I know. And you also get DJ rights, but I don't know where that came from.

SPEAKER_04 41:40

Well, back in the Wild West, Wild, Wild West, they used to sit on the wagons and you the driver would be there with the reins, and the other person would be holding a shotgun.

SPEAKER_02 41:50

Shotgun. Makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 41:52

In case to fight off anybody who might try and attack them.

SPEAKER_02 41:56

This uh to be honest, I was gonna say, riding shotgun does feel like quite an American saying. So I'm I'm I'm not surprised that it comes from the Wild West, to be honest. Because we'd say what's the British term? Riding shotgun, we riding up front. Yeah, di dibs.

SPEAKER_00 42:13

Dibs. Just dibs. Dibs. That makes sense. That makes sense to us. It does make sense to us, but I can't explain.

SPEAKER_04 42:21

It's just a random noise and everyone knows what it means. Dibs.

SPEAKER_02 42:24

Dibs.

SPEAKER_04 42:26

Um take it with a grain of salt.

SPEAKER_02 42:28

Yeah, means means don't um don't put all your eggs in one basket. Well no, it means it means like, yeah, like like don't so basically Romans.

SPEAKER_04 42:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:41

Which I really struggle with this.

SPEAKER_04 42:42

Yeah, so Romans are used to believe that well, they believed that salt could protect against poison.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

So it means And the ghosts is control.

SPEAKER_04 42:51

You can eat it, but have maybe have a little grain of salt with it to make sure that you're gonna be alright.

SPEAKER_02 42:56

Yeah. Take it with a grain of salt.

SPEAKER_04 42:58

Yeah, exactly. Makes sense on the bandwagon.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

Like everyone gets onto the popular train.

SPEAKER_04 43:06

Yes. Popularity, isn't it? So political campaigns used to be. Exactly. Uh political campaigns use literal wagons with bands playing to attract people.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

Oh, I see. So people would literally follow the band.

SPEAKER_04 43:20

So people would literally follow the bandwagon. There you go. Join something popular.

SPEAKER_02 43:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:25

Uh we've only got three left.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Sourcy.

SPEAKER_04 43:28

Yeah. At loggerheads.

SPEAKER_02 43:30

Uh like you you've come to a disagreement.

SPEAKER_04 43:34

Uh yes. Yeah. So loggers, so lumberjacks, I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay. I eat all night and a golden. He's a lumberjack and he's okay. Yep. Uh bit of money python.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:46

So loggers used to use tool called loggerheads.

SPEAKER_02 43:49

Mother's clothing.

SPEAKER_04 43:50

And if they clashed or got stuck with each other, you were at loggerheads.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:56

Makes sense. Yes. Um, towing the line.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

The line. Love is in the always on time. Oh, I should have kept love. No, no, no. It's not in the way, you say you hold me.

SPEAKER_04 44:10

We did Africa in the last episode, and then we're doing not in the way, you say you're bad.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 44:17

Love a bit of toe-toe.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

Worst rendition of toe ever. Uh sorry, what towing line.

SPEAKER_04 44:25

Toe the line.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

Uh yeah, yeah, uh, following the rules.

SPEAKER_04 44:30

Basically, yes, it means follow the rules strictly. So soldiers used to line up with their toes touching a line for inspection. So put your toe to the line. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. That's what I mean. Toe the line. Go line, boy. Toe line. Touch maker. Yes. Windsor Davis.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

Have we gone crazy?

SPEAKER_04 44:48

Yeah, probably. Um, it was crazy, weren't it? And I think this is this is apt for the last one.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

I knew you were gonna say that.

SPEAKER_04 44:56

Yes. The bitter end. The bitter end of this podcast episode. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

Yeah, it just means like the absolute last moment, isn't it? Uh we're we're here to the bitter end. No matter how uh rubbish it may be, we're we're gonna stick it out.

SPEAKER_04 45:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

Essentially, is what the press is.

SPEAKER_04 45:11

An amazing placebo song as well, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 45:13

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 45:13

Yeah, the bitter end. Uh basically, it means it's the very end of a rope tied to the ship.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

What makes it bitter?

SPEAKER_04 45:21

I don't know. Ah, I don't know, but that's it. Means if you reached it, you have no more rope left. Oh, you've reached again. The bit the bit of end.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

The bit of end.

SPEAKER_04 45:31

Bit of end, and maybe it evolved into the better end.

SPEAKER_02 45:34

Yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 45:35

So there you go. So yeah, so when you think about it, it's it's all boots.

SPEAKER_02 45:40

It's all boats.

SPEAKER_04 45:40

It's all boots. Boats and sailors. Cowboys, cowboys, sailors, pirates, theatrical kids.

SPEAKER_02 45:46

Yeah, theatre kids.

SPEAKER_04 45:47

Theatre kids.

SPEAKER_02 45:47

Theatrical kids.

SPEAKER_04 45:48

Theatrical kids. And there you go.

SPEAKER_02 45:50

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SPEAKER_04 46:13

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