Tarot, Runes, And The Fine Line Between Comfort And Con

Ever wondered whether you’d actually want to know your future? We dive headfirst into that uneasy thrill, unpacking the difference between fortune telling and psychic claims while testing the tools that make prediction feel personal. From tarot and runes to crystal balls, EMF meters, and palm reading, we explore how symbols turn into stories and why those stories can feel so true, even when they’re built from broad strokes.

We share candid experiences with mediums and audience shows, pulling apart the mechanics of cold reading, body language cues, and the Barnum effect that makes general lines sound tailor-made. The ethics aren’t simple. Comfort can be real, but so can the risk of preying on grief. Along the way, we trace the deep roots of divination, from Mesopotamian liver-reading and Egyptian dreamwork to the Oracle of Delphi and Roman augurs. It’s a tour through the human need for certainty, ritual, and meaning.

Then we put it on the line with live tarot pulls for both of us. The cards speak of new beginnings, conflict, hope, choice, and balance, revealing why tarot endures: it frames the questions we’d rather not face without pretending to close the case. Even the so-called “bad” cards bend toward insight after upheaval. Whether you’re sceptical, curious, or quietly spiritual, you’ll find a grounded, open look at fate, free will, and the stories we tell when the future feels close but cloudy.

If this sparked thoughts of your own red or blue envelope, hit play, subscribe for part two on astrology and famous readers, and leave a review with the one question you’d ask the universe.

Transcript

Setting The Stage: Fate Or Fiction

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad. Bonus Daughter, a special father-daughter podcast with me, Hannah. And me, Davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories. Within our ever-changing and complex world.

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Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view. And influences throughout the decades.

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Or you could choose one by contacting us.

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Via email, Instagram, Facebook, or TikTok. Links in bio. Welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter. We are gonna talk about fact or fiction.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

No, not fact or fiction.

SPEAKER_03 0:33

Oh no.

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It's fate or fiction.

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This is gonna be a good one.

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I know you don't read the episodes, Hannah, or you don't read the script.

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I even read it.

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But this is this is appalling.

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I saw fact, not fate. We've done fact or fiction.

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We've done fact or fiction, yes. Even with it in front of you, you still get it wrong.

SPEAKER_03 0:54

That is the first time I've ever got the title of an episode wrong.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Yeah, but the funny thing is, I could have predicted that. Do you see what I did there?

SPEAKER_03 1:00

Yes.

Tarot, Runes, And Tools Of Divination

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Yeah, because what's this episode all about?

SPEAKER_03 1:04

Fortune telling.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

Fortune telling, exactly.

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Or fiction.

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Yes. Is fortune telling actually a thing?

SPEAKER_03 1:13

Yes. I mean, people do it. Whether it's true or not is another point in time.

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Is it is it true? Does it really work?

SPEAKER_03 1:20

Does it really work?

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Is the thing.

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Are you gonna tell me my fortune today?

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Um well, I have brought with me my tarot cards.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Which is odd because I told you I had my own deck.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

I know, but I I brought my because I've got the, as we said before in another podcast. I've got the OG ones. The OGs. The Ryder Tarot deck. And I've had these oh, I don't know, what, sixteen years?

SPEAKER_03 1:42

I was gonna say, are they older than me?

SPEAKER_01 1:43

No. No, no, no, they're not older than you. They're not older than you.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

Is there like a date on them? Just out of case.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

No, there's no date on them.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

No, that's in like a publishing date.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

But what I have got as well is I have these look. Look, my runes. Nice! And you made yourself. That I made myself. Cute. Look at all of those. All little wooden runes with little uh Norse rune symbols on them.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

There is actually a date on this. Do you can you think of when these were copy copy wrote?

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Uh I've got it in the script actually when they were when they were done, but I can't remember what you did. I can't remember what the exact date is.

SPEAKER_03 2:14

It is, I'll give you a clue. It's not in your lifetime. 1600s? No.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

No?

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It's your century, just not in your lifetime.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Oh right, 30s?

SPEAKER_03 2:24

1930s? 40s? 50s? 60s? 1971. I'll let you let you off the hook.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:31

But yeah. Yeah. That was when they were copyright. So I presumably by US Game Systems Inc.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Because yeah, I will come on to the Tarot later on and how how it was actually born and it's a game? It's a game. It's a game. The original tarot was just a card game. And it but got brought into divination later on.

SPEAKER_03 2:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

Because a lot of them don't actually mean what you think they mean. It's like the card of death. Death does not mean death. It means the death of something like change. But it doesn't mean death. The tower is actually the probably the worst card in the deck. Don't want the tower. That's a nasty card. And it depends whether they're inverted or the right way up as well. Meaning changes.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

It does, yeah. It's it's yeah, it's quite uh I've got a book on how to read tarot cards, but I've never actually been able to do it properly.

SPEAKER_03 3:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Yeah. But I will should we ask a very question in fact that do you think that psychos? What?

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Should we ask a very question?

SPEAKER_01 3:28

A very question. I know.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

It's a very question. It's because I looked at the screen and Oh, you saw something that you didn't and and said it and then made fun of the person that said it. Okay. And then ah, I see, I see, I see.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Well, I've got these very focal lenses, haven't I? And um I kind of they they just took a couple of seconds because I was looking at you and then I looked at the screen and uh they took a couple of seconds for it to just kind of come into focus. So and I didn't want to pause in the podcast, so I I carried on talking and it and it went wrong. So there you go, could have predicted that as well.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

Yeah.

Would You Want To Know Your Future

SPEAKER_01 4:02

Yeah. So yeah. So carry on. What were you saying? What if someone truly could predict your future? Question is, would you actually want to know, Hannah?

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Are you posing this question to me now, or is this something we're exploring throughout the podcast?

SPEAKER_01 4:15

I'm posing the question to you now. As an opening gambit, would you want to know your future? And if actually, yeah, would you want to know your future? But also, would there be limitations to what you would want to know?

SPEAKER_03 4:29

Uh I don't think I'd want to know when I was gonna die.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 4:34

Because then I'd just be waiting.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Yeah. I mean the question would be it'd be, well, what's your future? Well, there's nothing after three days away.

SPEAKER_03 4:42

Like, oh, okay, so yeah, it's kind of like, yeah, uh I'm torn. Yeah. I'm Natalie and Brillier because I feel that if I if I knew the things, they wouldn't happen.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Ah, see.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

I've gone into the paradox realm already.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

I'm already like exactly because this is the other thing, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 5:01

Like they could say, Oh, you're gonna die on the I don't know, 15th of August 1962 or whatever. And I could be waiting for that day, but I could be so hell, like absent-mindedly hellbent on that particular date that I'm not caring for myself in other ways, and then I'd like to fall off a mountain.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

Okay, so also you're going to traject skiing, actually. Almost like final destination territory.

SPEAKER_03 5:21

Yeah.

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That kind of you're always looking for the danger.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. What would if you okay, so if you could ask anything now about your future, what would you want to know? So let's let's take death off the table. Death's off the table, okay? What would you say? If someone said, you know, what about your future? What would you like to know?

SPEAKER_03 5:36

Will my book ever be published? Then I wouldn't uh put yeah, but that's the thing. That's the thing. If if I knew that my book wasn't gonna be published, then I'd be like, Well, what's the point? And then I'd lose a hobby.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

So I guess I wouldn't want to know, but I would want to know. Yeah. It's a it's an inner conflict, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 6:00

Yeah, it is, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:02

And I cannot give you a straight answer. I actually I gen genuinely don't know. What I do wish is that I knew more about my past. Wish I could remember the past better.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:11

But because it's already happened and I've already survived it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Okay, so I'm I'm standing I'm sitting in front of you.

SPEAKER_03 6:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

And in my hand I've got a red envelope and I've got a blue envelope.

SPEAKER_03 6:20

You've got the So Matrix.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

Exactly. I know. I was gonna go red pill, blue pill, but we'll just go envelopes. In the red envelope, it tells you whether or not your book is gonna be published. In the blue envelope, you you will never you will never know until you find until it happens. Like, you know, there's which envelope are you taking?

SPEAKER_03 6:36

I feel like I would take the red envelope.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

So that I would have the choice of making the decision, not in the moment.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Schrdinger's envelope.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Schrdinger's envelope. Both both are true until you open the envelope.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

Yeah. Okay. There we are.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

So do you think I need a pro con list.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

But do you think that psychics are a thing and fortune telling is a thing, or do you think it's just clever human intuition and misdirection and vagueness?

SPEAKER_03 7:12

I have been to a few mediums. I don't know if this is in that realm.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

It is, yeah, mediums come into it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:20

I've been to I've not been to many psych I don't know if you call them psychic. Medium is different, is medium is is talking to the dead.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:27

Psychic, I feel like, is a prediction of the future, as a fortune teller. So I've never gone to a fortune teller or psychic, although I would like to. I'm not against the idea. Cross my palm with silver, then I will tell you your future. I have a morbid curiosity that I would want to attend one but not ask any questions. I just want them to tell me shit and see if it comes true. Like I am the guinea pig of that.

SPEAKER_05 7:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

However, I do think that there is a level of vagueness. I think there is a level of mmm theatre.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Yeah, yeah. Can I say that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:00

In in what they do.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Mm-hmm.

Mediums, Psychics, And The Ethics Question

SPEAKER_03 8:02

And I think sometimes things can apply to you when it's not necessarily known in the moment, but then afterwards you're like, oh, actually, well, that I guess that could fit that. And you you're already, because you're human, you're already making that connection.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Yeah, we'll come on to that with horoscopes and things later on.

SPEAKER_03 8:17

Um and I also do think there are frauds out there in time. 100% who are not even that well versed in reading body language. They are just look you up on the internet.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

Exactly. And I mean there's I mean, let's let's take Darren Brown for example. Yes. Okay, Darren Brown is amazing.

SPEAKER_04 8:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

He and he actually does manipulate he uses neurolinguistic programming. He debunks quite a lot of fake mediums and of fake psychics and like and he teaches it tells how to do those kind of techniques. And I mean I have seen those kind of never been to one, never been to a live show, but obviously I've seen them on telly where they have the okay, um you know, there's someone in the audience here, uh the name beginnings with with B, and then suddenly they're they're looking at the top of their eyes and they're looking around. I'm I'm getting a um a Billy, no, uh a Brian looking around, looking around. You can see someone like, yes, Brian, Brian, Brian, you Brian, you recently lost someone, and I'm getting uh I'm getting a female Caesar body language. No, no, no, I'm getting a male, yeah. And it's that yeah, it's that, you know, and they're reading the person and and doing and then in some respects, kind of going off on a little bit tangent, but in the same thing, you know, there's two arguments to this. There's the argument of it's giving people comfort, but also how I'm looking at it, it's it's they're preying on vulnerable people as well.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Yeah, it it is a f it is a fine line. Yeah um when I've gone to see mediums, I've had a personal reading done, and then I was actually picked out of an audience as well. Yeah. Um and then I've gone to others where I wasn't picked out of the audience. But fun fact, when I went to all of those times that I've been to the medium, I've actually never lost anyone that close to me. So if they were gonna tell me about anyone, which they did, yeah, it would have to be someone that has died a long time or has been dead a long time that I may not even know of.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

The the the one person I think I'd wish had come through was Uncle Tony. It would make more sense. Yeah, he'd obviously died very young.

SPEAKER_05 10:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:18

But I ended up getting getting a reading that kind of fit more your grandad Sid. Do you remember?

SPEAKER_01 10:24

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:25

So I was kind of I didn't know Grandad Sid that well. I met maybe met him a handful of times if that. So of all the people to come through, I don't think he would have been the one. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like I uh not that I don't think granddad Sid would try. Because I think he would. Yeah, he would. But I I that reading felt like it wasn't really for me.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:47

It could have very easily fit someone else. Oh, did you know someone that had breathing difficulties? And the only person I could think of was your granddad Sid or my granddad Jeff as well, also had had tubes as well. But like I just that I think the fact that them saying that to me, a lot of people die of breathing difficulties. Like pneumonia is so common in the elderly. Like I just like you know, a lot of lung conditions, not necessarily pneumonia, but like a lot of pulmonary issues and etc. are very, very common in the elderly. So it was a a lucky guess.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

Cold Reading, Theatre, And Frauds

SPEAKER_03 11:21

You know, um, did it bring me comfort? No. And the girl that I went with had lost her stepfather as well, like really fairly recently, like when the last year of when we were going. And she also got a reading, like a private one, picked her out of the audience situation, and she went on all about this woman in her life. And the one person she wanted to hear was about her stepfather. Like it was just like it I think sometimes it can be detrimental, exactly as well as as as well as not. But fun nonetheless. Yeah. If you're going if you're going with an open mind that it's perhaps not real, it can be quite funny. And I know that does sound a little shitty. It can be it can be. Yeah, we went to this terrible one. We I don't know why, but there's there's me and these two other girls. We just had this I don't know, some time that we were just going to loads of mediums in a space of like a month. And we went to this really terrible one, and she was just sh she was just like a didhery old woman. I don't know how else to describe her, but she was just so like she picked my friend out again and was like, Rose, Rose, something to do with Rose. And then she was like, I don't know anyone called Rose, and then she looked on her Instagram, and her Instagram handle is her name Rose afterwards. So she'd obviously just look them up on the internet and just picked up random people and things. But it was so funny because she was really she got like the shakes and stuff, and uh like you know, I I by the way, I just want to caveat that I don't think this woman had like Tourette's or epilepsy or anything like that. I'm not making fun of any condition that she may have had. She was very clearly putting that in.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

She was very theatrical, yeah, very theatrical, yeah. Yeah, um I mean a lot of that happened in Victorian times all when they're doing the seances and the things the lights would flicker and all of that, and that was very theatrical.

SPEAKER_03 13:07

Hysteria is is a is is is a condition as well. Um, and I and I do think that they believe it themselves as well. Like I don't always think that it's there to like I I I don't I don't always think they're trying to con people. I genuinely think they believe it themselves and then they kind of infect others with that belief. Yeah. Um maybe infect is not quite the right word, but but yeah, I think it I think it carries a lot of weight that sometimes um their truth is their truth, it may not be the truth, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

Yeah, I mean we had I mean if you throw it, I mean like we've we've mentioned before many times that we don't have me bizarrely enough, both me and you don't have inner monologues. But now to me, the idea of having a voice constantly in your head is absolutely it's it's strange to me. Yeah, so if you but if you think somebody has got you know voices in their head, they could well believe that they are talking to spirits or they are talking to you know people from other worlds or other dimensions. Yeah, yeah. Because the voices are in their head. It could be a mental illness, exactly. It could be, it could be, it could be, or it could be true. And you know, and you know, out of a hundred, say, psychic mediums out there, there could be one or two out there that are genuinely true. We don't know. The science won't be there, but you know, we'll I mean I'm very dismissive of it. Very dismissive of it because I do think in some aspects that it it does prey on those vulnerable people. And I don't like that.

SPEAKER_03 14:31

Is Mr. Okora mentioned in this?

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Uh I don't mention oh Effie, oh Evie, oh, I've got something coming through, Eve. I mean, oh, he just used to annoy me on like ghost hunt and whatever. I don't actually mention him, no, I kind of left that well alone.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

Um, I don't mean to be this guy.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

But it's interesting that you just said Effie, right?

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Yeah. So Well it was Ive, wasn't it? It was Yvette Fielding.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

Hang on.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

Have I just done a Mandela effect?

SPEAKER_03 14:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

Have I?

SPEAKER_03 14:58

So I used to think that his Which is another podcast episode coming soon. His spirit uh I can't spell Accor and it's not coming up. Is it David Accora?

SPEAKER_01 15:06

No, it was Derek Accorora. Derek Accorora. Derek Accora, it was. Derek Accor.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

Ah, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

Yeah, so I've been thinking my entire life that his spirit guide was called Effie because that's what you and Mum always joke about.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:18

And it's not. His spirit guide was called Sam.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

Yeah, yeah, spirit guide was Iv Yvette Fielding was the co-presenter of Ghost Hunter. Oh he was she was the other presenter.

SPEAKER_03 15:29

Yeah, because I made a right fool of myself the other day on a group chat because I was like, oh no, is his spirit guide was called Effie?

SPEAKER_01 15:35

Yeah, no, no. You were talking about uh Yeah, talking about the other presenter.

SPEAKER_03 15:38

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

He died in 2020. I wonder if he was. Did he is he dead? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

Did he?

SPEAKER_03 15:44

And Colin Fry. Colin Fry's another really famous one.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Oh, yeah, no, yeah, I know Colin Fry. I've seen Colin Fry in What Live? Yeah. Have you?

SPEAKER_03 15:50

I went with Nana. Did you? She took me to Great Yarmouth. Um Britannia Pear.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Oh really? Yeah. Bloody hell.

SPEAKER_03 15:56

We didn't get picked on in the audience, but it was very fun watching him.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

I know you nana's been to a few.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

Oh yeah, she's been yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

She's she's been to a few.

SPEAKER_03 16:02

I would class her, I don't know if she would class herself as this or identify as this, perhaps maybe a better word of saying it. I think she's a spiritualist.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

I think you would put her in that category.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

I like she's not religious, but she's a not non-believer either. She's a difficult one to play, so I would say spiritualist. I think that's the most respectful term.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

I I would agree with that.

SPEAKER_03 16:21

I don't know if she would agree with that term, but I think that's what she would call herself.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:25

Yeah, that's what I'd call myself if I were her.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 16:28

Yeah.

Comfort Versus Harm In Readings

SPEAKER_01 16:28

Sorry. So that's that's okay. Um tangents. Uh so we've got kind of I kind of looked at three definitions regarding this kind of this area, and we've got kind of fortune telling. Well we is the divining information about a person's life, often using tools. And those tools could be a number of things. It could be things such as a tarot deck. We uh runes, we bones. We've got a big bones, you know, like chicken bones in in some or doing an episode on voodoo, but you can do like chicken bones as well, where throw the bones in, yeah. Um there's blood as well. Tuning forks. Tuning forks, there's there's lots of different things.

SPEAKER_03 17:06

What are the ones that are sticks?

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Oh, that's water when you're looking for water, divining water tools.

SPEAKER_03 17:11

I don't know. Yeah. But I thought they pointed to where they died. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

No.

SPEAKER_03 17:15

Oh, and also you forgot to mention spirit box.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Yeah, spirit boxes. Yeah, of course. Of course. Uh the other one is psychics. Of course. Of course, of course. Uh the other one is the psychics, which you said it, which is where they claim uh basically ESP, they claim extrasensory perception.

SPEAKER_03 17:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:31

And so they're and that's kind of clairvoyance, clairvaudience, and the mediumship.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

What's the one that goes beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep?

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Well, that's a EMF reader. That's an EMF reader, yeah. Just came to me, sorry. Yeah, that's where you're looking for ghosts.

SPEAKER_03 17:42

That's basically a metal detector, but ghosts.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

Exactly. That is a ghost detector. Yes, it is, yeah. Uh so the the author electrical current detector. The difference, really, the the difference between fortune tellers and psychics, they're kind of two things really. It's like the difference but throw a DD reference in.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

It's like the difference between sorcerers and wizards. Okay. Yeah. So they're still using that kind of world, but fortune tellers use tools.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

I see.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Tools. Whereas psychics, the ability is within them.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

Within.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Within. Yeah, that's the difference between them.

SPEAKER_03 18:23

So one of them can blame their tools, the other one can only blame them. So it's not.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

It's how they would how they would read. I mean, years and years ago, they used to I think the I think this was a druid thing. I might be wrong. They used to use sheep entails. Oh. So they would read they would open up a sheep and throw the end tails out, and they would read the entails as to see whether or not they're what the weather was gonna do or they were gonna have a good harvest or things like that.

SPEAKER_03 18:47

So that lots and lots of pink sky at night, shepherd's delight. Pink sky in the morning, shepherd's morning.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

I still don't 100% know the science in that.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

Red sky at night, shepherd's delight.

SPEAKER_03 19:01

I feel like pink sky in the morning is snow.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

Well, if you think red sky at night, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:05

Yeah, which is the sunset.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

This is this is where again I'm this is just what I think. This isn't scientific, I've never really looked into it. But when you've got a red sky, it means that the sunlight, as it's going down, is bouncing off the clouds. Therefore, the clouds are keeping the heat in, so it's not escaping. Because like in deserts, don't you? You if the sky's it's freezing at night but roasting at day.

SPEAKER_03 19:28

Yeah, because there's no cloud coverage.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Exactly. So if the clouds are there at night, it means it's keeping the heat in and keeping everything warm and nice. But if there's clouds there in the morning, it's gonna hoss it down.

SPEAKER_03 19:39

Or be cold and frosty and kill the plants.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

That's what I think it means. I I might be completely wrong. Might be completely wrong. We should have put that in the sayings episode we just had.

SPEAKER_03 19:51

Well, that's a very long saying. It's more of a what's it called? It's more of old wives' tale as opposed to a actual like saying.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

So, some fun facts for you as well.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Yeah.

Definitions: Fortune Telling Vs Psychic Ability

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Is did you know that fortune telling is one of humanity's oldest procession pr processions? We are doing so well today. Oh my word. Um, yeah, it's one of humanity's oldest professions, much like prostitution.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Just band them two together, shall we? Yeah, yeah. Both probably very female influenced as well.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Well, the the kind of the first kind of not recorded, but we know that fortune telling dates back, the earliest one we've got is Mesopotamia, back at 3,000 BCE. So 3,000 years before Christ, people was were starting to fortune tell. That's mad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:42

That's mad. Can I ask you a question? When you think of a fortune teller in your head, yeah, what who like how do you picture it?

SPEAKER_01 20:49

Right, okay. So I in my mind, it is, it's the lady, kind of with lace.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

Lace.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Lace. See, I'm going somewhere with a crystal ball in a small room with a little round table. Small room with a little round table, and outside there is like a thing saying fortune telling or the like.

SPEAKER_03 21:11

I don't know if you mean lace.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Yeah, I'd say lace for a reason. There is a reason.

SPEAKER_03 21:15

Okay. Because I'm thinking of cloaked hooded, like almost bohemian like beading and stuff. That's what I see, like a like a shawl.

unknown 21:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:24

Is that what they're called? I don't know. Um, and then it's like wrapped around the head so you can't see their hair. It is a lady, but I'll tell you what gives me that image, and same with the crystal ball, small table, small room situation.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Actually, that's another tool I didn't mention. Crystal ball.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

However, however, I want you to cast your mind back to a film called The Wizard of Oz.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

There is the man who is a fraud.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

The wizard. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

No well, he is the wizard, but he's a yeah, yeah. But in when he's in Kansas, when he's actually in Kansas, when he's that he's he's the guy with the crystal ball and he he like looks in her basket to see what Oh, yeah. I mean he is the wizard later in the thing. But it's actually only just occurred to me that that is that's the same actor. Do you not know that they're all the same wizard? I know they are, I know they are. It just never occurred to me that the fortune teller was the wizard for some reason. Um yeah, I'm an idiot. Um but yeah, him, that's what I picture, but as a woman.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

In fact, I think that's the only time I've ever seen a man depicted in a fortune telling role. Yeah, okay. Other than Darren Brown, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

And yeah. Because even a lot of the mediums are male, Colin Fry, like or the big ones. Yeah. Colin Fry, I mean Psychic Sally is.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Well, there is Alison Dubois, which I'll come on to later on.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Ooh, Du Bois. Dubois. I think I've heard of her.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

Yeah, she's um, she's, yeah, I'll I'll come, I'll explain more about her later on.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

Sorry, carry on.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

No, no, no. But no, the that image that I have in my head of that fortune teller is and I'll say don't Lace is confusing me.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

Well, Lace is really confusing me.

Ancient Roots: Mesopotamia To Rome

SPEAKER_01 22:56

The reason why I say lace is because we did have when I was when I was really, really young, um, probably about I don't know, probably about five years old. Uh might have been before that, because we were still living in Norwich at the time. We did have, and I'm gonna say the term, but it's a bit derogatory uh to say it. But you know, but we bound that then was a gypsy.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Okay, yeah. So obviously it's not nice that term now for a number of reasons.

SPEAKER_03 23:23

But that is what you know.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

That's what we yeah, yeah, yeah. Was a gypsy fortune teller came to our house and gave my mum some lace.

SPEAKER_03 23:31

Uh what, randomly?

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:33

Did was she invited? Did she knock on the door?

SPEAKER_01 23:36

Knocking on the door, trying to doing fortune telling around. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:39

Wow, that's so cool.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

And bizarrely enough, and again, this is where you're saying about being but it could have just been a lucky guess. So I would have been younger than five. I would have been younger than five because she told my mum at the time that she was gonna have another son.

SPEAKER_05 23:54

Oh, and she did.

SPEAKER_03 23:55

She did, yeah. Yeah, my brother Stuart.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:57

Mad.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

So it's yes, but she I remember I remember the lace, and that's why lace is in my head.

SPEAKER_03 24:03

What kind of lace? I'm struggling. It was like a lace, like a piece of black, white, white lace, like a white lace cloth.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

She put the lace over my mum's hand.

SPEAKER_03 24:11

Oh, I see. Right. Okay, this is yeah, okay, okay, okay. She wasn't wearing lace. I was thinking some sort of like really sexy fortune teller like laced like gloves and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

I was thinking, oh, because she was old or young. She was quite old, and she read my mum's palm. Oh, palm reading is another one.

SPEAKER_03 24:32

Yeah, yeah. Well, palms are hard uh hands give a lot away. So I've got quite a few calluses on my hands. A lot of guitar players will have calluses on their tips of their fingers. I have calluses all over my hands, and if if a palm reader was looking at them, they'd be like, Oh, a sheer gardener. No, I'm a climber. They're from climbing, yeah, they've destroyed me. Um, but yeah, no, it it but hands can tell a lot about if they're soft, if they're hard, if they're you can tell if someone's in manual labour as opposed to a desk job, yeah, etc. etc. Unless you're have a desk job, but you're also a climber. I would be, I would actually probably be one of them people that would they would get wrong.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Well, because yeah, because what what you would do as a hobby is completely different to what you do as a job.

SPEAKER_03 25:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Yeah. I mean it's quite obvious I play guitar because you can see the calluses on the tips of my fingers.

SPEAKER_03 25:19

Exactly, exactly. I don't have the tips, it's all here.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Yeah. But uh so, yeah, in in ancient times, back in like Mesopotamia back then, and even kind of a little bit further on, those ancient oracles, they were considered to almost be the intermediaries between human and gods. And it kind of goes back to what we were saying before about like the druids and you know the you know the the the chiefs and not not the chiefs, they're not chiefs, are they, but like the uh within the tribes, like the the magic men, the shamans, all of those, it's the same sort of thing. Yeah, and they're that kind of intermediary between humans, gods, and the afterworld and the other world, and they would speak to those people, and that's how it's kind of evolved over time. So, yeah, I mean there was to go keeping in Mesop Mesopotamia, ah, yeah, as it says here, reading animal livers to interpret divine messages. So that would be the same thing, yeah. Like I said earlier, with the sheep.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

The sheep, the sheep.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

The sheep with the sheep. So they would, yeah, read animal carcasses, they would read, you know.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

Can you imagine if there was an animal out there that could predict the future, but we just don't know how to communicate with them? So there could be all sheep in the world could know the fate of the world, but we would never know because all we can hear is bell you know Sunday thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

You know the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

SPEAKER_03 26:41

I am aware of its uh existence.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

There's part of that book, because it's not just one book, there's lots of books within it. Part of that book is So Long and Thanks for all the fish. And that is who says that? The dolphins. Because the dolphins predicted the future. And they're like, we're leaving the planet so long.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

I must get Mitchell to watch that movie. Thanks for all the fish. He'd like Chaka's guide to the game.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Read the book. Read the book, it's so much better.

SPEAKER_03 27:04

Is it?

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Yeah. The book is Douglas Adams. The book is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

The answer to the whole world and the universe. 42.

Dreams, Therapy, And Oracles

SPEAKER_01 27:12

42, but we just don't know the question. That's the answer, but we just don't know the question. Yeah. See, I think the I think the first line, and I might get this wrong, it's not verbatim, but the first line of the book, this is how good it is, is something like in the beginning, the universe was created. And a lot of people thought this was a very bad idea. That's like the first line of something along it's even funnier than that, but that's kind of like the the first line of the book. Nice. It's it's it's brilliant, yeah. Because they're gonna make uh gonna build an intergalactic highway and it's gonna go through Earth, which is why they've got to destroy Earth.

SPEAKER_05 27:42

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

Yeah, now you've got the restaurant at the end of the universe, yeah. So long thanks for all the fish. Yeah, it's it is brilliant. Slarty Bartfast. That's one of the characters, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 27:51

Slarty Bartfast. Oh, Slarty Bartfast.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

Slarty Bartfast. Marvin the paranoid android.

SPEAKER_03 27:58

You can so no one loves me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Everyone has me.

SPEAKER_03 28:01

It's coming back to me. I've definitely seen it. I've definitely seen it.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Why am I here? It's it's brilliant. It's absolutely the original 80s TV show, or was brilliant as well. Nice. The one with Martin Freeman, it it's alright. It's alright. Okay. Yeah. Arthur Dent was the god, it's all coming back to me. Yeah, you already. Yeah, I used to love the Hugo's Guide to the Galaxy. So, yeah, back to Mesopotamia. Um, they used to say, yeah, do animal livers to interpret divine messages. In Egypt, they interpreted dreams to guide pharaohs, which we still do today quite a lot.

SPEAKER_03 28:38

We do. We actually do this in therapy as well.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

Do you interpret dreams?

SPEAKER_03 28:43

I have dream analysis is actually a really common uh uh therapy technique to um uh reveal uh things that your subconscious might be struggling to struggling to comprehend. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of there's there's a lot more that can be said about dreams, I feel.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:02

Than you think. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

No, no, no, no, you're absolutely fine. Absolutely fine. I segmented. No, absolutely. I mean I had a I can't remember what my dream was last night, but you know when you wake up?

SPEAKER_03 29:13

We have had an episode on dreams, and if you'd like to check it out, it's in the back backlog of backlogs. We've done that one ages ago.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

We did, oh god, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

I'm sure I've got more dreams to add to that.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

We should do another episode on dreams. Yeah. Uh but I had a dream last night, and it was one of those ones where it was really weird, and then I woke up, I remembered the dream. Yeah, I remembered it, went downstairs, had a coffee, then tried to remember the dream and it gone.

SPEAKER_03 29:36

Mmm. Bugger when that happens. Yeah. I write mine down as soon as I wake up.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

It was one of those dreams where I thought, that's a really good story.

SPEAKER_03 29:43

Exactly. That's why I write one mine down.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Yeah. To then use as in one of the tales things. Yeah, and and I can't remember it now.

SPEAKER_03 29:49

Yeah, I know. I can't remember it.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

I hate that when that house gutted, I am. Um in Rome. Oh, sorry, so in Egypt, they interpreted dreams from the pharaohs.

SPEAKER_03 29:58

Hello, Mitchell! Hello, hello. Um, this one.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

So in Greece, they use there was an oracle called uh the Oracle of Delphi, and that the that person delivered cryptic prophecies. Now, this is a lot of it we'll come on to uh in part two because we've just realized that this is now going to be a two-parter.

SPEAKER_04 30:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Uh that uh the or that a lot of these prophecies are cryptic and they could fit anything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

Yeah, I like I like Delphi.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Yeah. Uh I mean when I when I did Oedipus, when I when I played um Oedipus, uh we referenced the Oracle of Delphi there because Creon came back from the Oracle to give the prediction of Oedipus.

SPEAKER_03 30:41

Oedipus is a is a good one.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

Oedipus is very linked to psychology as well. They're all linked.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Well it is, I mean you've got the the Oedipus complex. Exactly. Exactly, it's the Freud Oedipus complex because he fell in love with his mother and he killed his father.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Yeah.

Stereotypes, Personal Anecdotes, And Palm Reading

SPEAKER_01 30:54

Yeah. But the funny thing is, in the in the Oedipus in the play, he doesn't actually realise this until later on. It's only at the end of the play he realizes that the person he met on the way was his father and he killed him. And then when he married Jacasta, that Jacasta was actually his mother.

SPEAKER_03 31:11

Nor does your psyche know that's what it's doing.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

That's very true. Thank you, Freud.

SPEAKER_03 31:15

You're welcome. Anytime. I just channelled him, you know.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Yeah, you just channeled.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

I I'm the medium.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Yeah. Just channelled Ziggy. Yeah. Ziggy, Ziggy Freud. Um, so in Ziggy.

SPEAKER_03 31:27

I was like, why are you saying Ziggy? And then I realised you were saying Ziggy and Sigmund.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Yeah, Sigmund Freud. Uh so in the middle eight. Oh, so so we said about Greece. Now in Rome, what they did in Rome, augers, what was what they were called, as they were kind of the you know, the the fortune tellers of the time, they would observe things like bird flights.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

Yeah. You know I mean that would predict probably the seasons, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Of course it would. If you see a flock of birds flying, you know, you would you would say, well very rare that you see a flock of birds not flying. Well, bizarrely enough, bizarrely enough, yeah, that's true. A bit of a redundant, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_03 32:05

Stupid comment.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

But the thing is, we we because we we live in Norwich. We do. We're 20 miles away from the coast. Are we not? Yeah, give or take, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:15

As the crow flies?

SPEAKER_01 32:16

As the crow flies.

SPEAKER_03 32:17

Now we the flock of crows fly.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

Sometimes we see seagulls.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

And when I see a seagull, I know that the coast is gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 32:23

Oh my god, mum is actually gonna absolutely pounce on this.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

They're goals. They're not called seagulls.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Are they?

SPEAKER_03 32:30

Yeah. Fact checker. She has often reminded me that they're not called seagulls anymore, they're called goals. You have to be inclusive because they're not all seagulls.

SPEAKER_01 32:41

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

Don't ask. Ask her. I will ask her. She's your wife.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

I will ask her.

SPEAKER_03 32:45

So she can give a fact checker. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 32:51

So fact checker.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

We would see those seagulls. Yes. I'm gonna say seagulls, just so she can tell me off. And we would know that the coast is gonna be pretty rough because they're moving further inland. So it's a similar type of thing.

SPEAKER_05 33:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

Yep. In the Middle Ages, in the Middle Ages, we uh tarot cards were a were a thing. These things. Uh and they were actually a card game, as I said before, before becoming a divination tool.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

I think the reason they became- I rained on your parade there a lot. You did, you did. I think the reason why they became a divination tool is just the way they are. I mean, look at how Yeah, it's it's it's very biblical in most senses. I mean the first card I picked up, the lovers. I mean that's a that's a that's a major arcana. Knight of Pentacles, um you get the I think there's 12 major arcanas, and then the rest of the ones. King of Swords, I mean there's Justice.

SPEAKER_03 33:52

Mm-hmm. So they do look very kind of I actually do have a tarot card calculator.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

Do you?

SPEAKER_03 33:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

Do you? There it is. There it is.

SPEAKER_03 34:02

There the tower. Would you like to select three cards for me?

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Select three cards for you. I will sh- I will give them a shuffle.

SPEAKER_03 34:10

As my fortune, because I think I can then select.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Great. So we're gonna do a fortune, a live so we should we do this as the last thing for this episode. Yeah. And then uh we'll move on to other parts of fortune telling.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

I can do one for you, you can do one for me if you like.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Okay, do you need to pick the cards or uh I think I need to cut the deck. You need to cut the deck? Yeah. Okay. Cut the deck.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

So I'm gonna cut the deck.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

Right. And then what do we what's what do we do now?

SPEAKER_03 34:37

Uh one from uh so so if you cut the deck again.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:41

You cut the deck, I'll take that one.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

Yeah.

unknown 34:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:46

And then this was the top, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 34:48

That was the top.

SPEAKER_03 34:49

Yeah, that was the top, and then I'll take the bottom of this pile.

SPEAKER_01 34:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

Sorry, take the bottom of this pile. I can't wait from the mic.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

Okay, so the first card I picked was Ace of Swords.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

Ooh.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

So Suit of Swords, the Ace.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

Continue.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 35:09

Then I picked up The Fool. Oh, I can't remember what he lives in. Is he in he's not a major arena?

SPEAKER_01 35:16

He's a major arcana.

SPEAKER_03 35:17

Oh, he is a major arcana.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:18

Oh yeah. He's the top one.

History Of Tarot And Major Arcana

SPEAKER_01 35:19

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

And the next one.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 35:23

The Five of Sticks.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

Yeah. That's inverted as well, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

Yeah, I don't know if I can do inverted. Uh oh, what's. Oh, wands. Wands.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Yeah, wands.

SPEAKER_03 35:31

Sorry. Five of sticks.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

Five of Wands.

SPEAKER_03 35:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:35

Go. Preparing your reading.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

Drawing from the deck.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

And it says your book will be published.

SPEAKER_03 35:41

Weaving your story. Okay. I'm gonna break through clarity and new ideas.

SPEAKER_05 35:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

The Ace of Swords.

SPEAKER_05 35:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:51

The Fool isn't is a new beginning and leaps of faith.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

Ooh.

SPEAKER_03 35:56

The Five of Wands is conflict, competition, and disagreements.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Okay. So put that all together.

SPEAKER_03 36:03

Yeah. The swords and wands reflect the interplay between thought and effort, while the major arcana, the full, adds a larger theme of stepping into the unknown. This is a moment where ideas and vision must comfort real world challenges.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 36:19

And the combo number pairing, meaning the ace uh so the ace is one, zero is the full, and five for the uh uh the ones, yeah, reduced to six, symbolizing the need for harmony and balance. The journey starts with clarity and potential, but must evolve through growth and resolution.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

So there you go. Vegas.

SPEAKER_03 36:40

Yeah, I mean that applies to me. I can't lie.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

Of course it does.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

I can't lie. So yeah, I'll do yours.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

Do you mind? Do you mind? So do you give it give a give them a good shuffle? I've got to do the shuffle in it. Everybody's shuffling.

SPEAKER_03 36:58

By the way, if anyone actually does um fortune telling and realize that I did it wrong, you are correct. By the way, that was a general prediction. So so you can do predictions for someone could go to you, I want to know something about my relationship. And then you do it, do it specific to that. But I just chose general because one I haven't unlocked the others.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

While you were shuffling, I could just see the tower. Just no one gonna be picking that one up. It's gonna be the tower, the death, and the night nine of swords. That's what I'm gonna be picking up. Okay, you cut the deck, cut the deck.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

We'll do it the same way.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

So Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

And then okay, then I cut the deck.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

So this is your first card.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

This is your second card.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:40

Because that would have been the top, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_01 37:42

Yeah, that would have been the top. And then the bottom card.

SPEAKER_03 37:44

And that's your third card.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

Okay, so first card.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

First card. Oh, hello.

SPEAKER_03 37:50

Ah!

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Drop in drop in cards. Right. So first card.

SPEAKER_03 37:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 37:55

The star.

SPEAKER_03 37:56

Uh is that a that's a major arcana?

SPEAKER_01 37:58

That's a major arcana, yeah. Or arcana.

SPEAKER_03 38:01

Arcana. The star, yep. Yeah. What's your middle one?

SPEAKER_01 38:04

Middle one is the two of cups.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

The two of cups. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

And the last one is the seven of cups.

Live Tarot Pull: Hannah’s Three Cards

SPEAKER_03 38:14

Ooh, two cups.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 38:16

Okay. Go. Preparing your reading.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:20

Drawing from the deck.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

The star, meaning hope, inspiration, and renewal.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Ooh.

SPEAKER_03 38:26

The two of cups, a partnership, unit unity, and mutual attraction. Ooh. I hope that means my mummy. And seven of cups, choices, fantasy, and illusion.

SPEAKER_05 38:37

Ooh. What?

SPEAKER_03 38:44

No. Um I can't reveal what just went through my head.

SPEAKER_05 38:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

Um, the major uh uh the major arcana star brings spiritual guidance while the cups emphasize emotions and relationships. Together they highlight the interplay between divine inspiration and emotional alignment, calling for heartfelt decisions grounded in optimism and truth. The number pairing combo, so the sum eight, represents balance, strength, and transformation decision making. This combination highlights the need to harmonize hope, emotional connections, and discernment to achieve personal growth and equilibrium.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 39:23

Basically, you're all about balance, and I'm all about conflict. Conflict.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

Ironically. Yeah. Yeah, they're actually quite nice cards, they're those ones. Yeah, you pick well. Yeah, they're actually quite nice. So there you go.

SPEAKER_03 39:39

Didn't get the tower.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

No, didn't get the tower.

SPEAKER_03 39:41

Do you want to know what a what a reading with the tower would sound like? Oh, go on. So let's let's let's pick um major arcana. We'll pick um the tower.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

Pick the pick the tower, the nine of swords.

SPEAKER_03 39:56

Uh suit nine of swords.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:59

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 40:00

And go with the hanged man.

SPEAKER_03 40:03

Is that a major arcana?

SPEAKER_01 40:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

Arcana.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Arcana, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:06

Um took me a while to find it.

SPEAKER_01 40:08

It'll just come up. Warning! Warning.

SPEAKER_03 40:12

You're going to die.

SPEAKER_01 40:13

Yeah.

Live Tarot Pull: Davy’s Three Cards

SPEAKER_03 40:14

So the tower is sudden upheaval and revelation. The nine of swords is anxiety, worry, and sleepless nights. The hanged man is release, sacrifice, and new perspective. So uh the combo suit pairing pairing meaning, the major arcana cards highlight profound life-changing events, while the nine of swords introduces a deeply personal mental struggle with this larger transforti transformative narrative. Together they indicate that the disruption is much uh is as much internal as external, but the potential for alignment is present. The combo number pairing meaning, reducing to ten. The combination emphasizes completion and end of a cycle. This represents the breakdown of old patterns, emotional and mental challenges, and the pause to gain new insight, ultimately leading to a fresh start. So it's not all. But there is something that happens first that's bad. Yeah, you gotta hit rock.

SPEAKER_01 41:09

Hit rock bottom and then you come crawling out the top.

SPEAKER_03 41:11

But isn't that what life is for?

SPEAKER_01 41:13

Exactly. Yes, yes. So there you go. So it is very vague, isn't it? It's very vague, it's very, very simple. Mine applied to me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:20

I immediately was like, yeah, this resonates with me, actually.

SPEAKER_01 41:23

So there you go. But there we are. There we are. Shall we uh end the episode there on tarot? Yeah. And uh we'll go on to astrology and some more types of fortune telling, psychic practices, and also some famous fortune tellers that I brought up in the next episode.

SPEAKER_03 41:41

Fabulous. Oh, I think you covered all of that, so I'm just gonna say cue the outro. Thanks for joining us on bonus dad, bonus daughter. Don't forget to follow us on all our socials and share the podcast with someone who'd love it. We are available on all streaming platforms. See you next time. Bye-bye.