32. Devotionals Aren’t Enough: Growing in the Word as a Christian Physician

The Devotional Trap: How to Truly Nourish Your Spiritual Life as a Christian Physician

Hey friend! Welcome back to this powerful episode where we dive deep into why devotionals and quick verses just aren’t enough to sustain your spiritual life, especially as a busy Christian physician. 

This week, we're calling out the devotional trap and showing you how to feast on the word of God for real transformation. Discover why devotionals feel like spiritual snacks and how you can move beyond them to build a mature, profound relationship with the Lord. 

We’re tackling everything from scripture misinterpretations to time management tips for carving out meaningful, undistracted time with the Lord. 

Plus, stick around for some actionable steps on how to start diving deeper into the Word and feeding your soul daily. 

Trust me, this episode is packed with insights, encouragement, and some tough love to help you grow in faith and intimacy with God. So grab a pen, jot down some notes, and let’s journey together toward becoming kingdom physicians! 

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00:00 Introduction: The Devotional Trap

01:06 Why Devotionals Aren't Enough

02:40 The Importance of Feasting on God's Word

04:17 The Need for Solid Spiritual Food

16:34 Hearing God's Voice Through Scripture

22:50 Overcoming Distractions and Making Time for God

29:59 Action Steps and Encouragement

35:22 Conclusion and Invitation to Mentorship

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If your quiet time is a five minute devotional and a verse, you scroll past, I got news for you. You are spiritually starving. And if you are a Christian physician trying to lead, heal, and hear God's voice clearly, that just won't cut it. Today. I gonna call out the devotional trap in showing you how to feast on the word of God again. So stay tuned for after the music and we jump right in. Hey there friend. Welcome back to episode number 32, and today we're gonna talk about why devotionals aren't enough and how you can grow in the word of God as a Christian physician. And I wanna be just real from the outset here. Devotional aren't designed to sustain you. They are snacks, not a full meal to feast on. And if you are trying to become a kingdom physician, a five minute verse and a devotional thought won't cut it. In this episode, I'm gonna break down why devotionals leave your spiritual malnourished, and how to start feeding yourself. On the word of God for real massive transformation because that's what we all long for, to grow deeper in the Lord, to grow, to know him, to grow in our faith, and to have intimacy with God so we can actually hear his voice clearly. So before we get started. And jump right in. Go grab a pen and paper if you are not driving and you might wanna take some notes. Otherwise you can take them later. At least listen to the episode and kind of tune in of what speaks to you and what you can take away. There will be some action steps at the end for you as well. And, also, I would love it if you could leave me a quick review and subscribe that would bless me big time so more people can find the show. So thank you so much for doing that right after you finished listening to this episode, because I know we all forget, so, but let's dive right in into this episode. Why I. Believe that devotionals are just not gonna cut it for you and your spiritual life. And that's really something again, that came out of my own spiritual walk, my walk of faith with the Lord. We are there were times and seasons in my life where I was happy if I had any devotional time, let's. Be real here. If you are busy dog and you will have a busy schedule where you start your day really early and you are not a morning person. Anybody else out there like me, it is really hard to squeeze in time with God because honestly, I. Could not get up earlier. That's just me. And if you have little children and you feel like you try to get up earlier before the children wake up, so you finally get some devotional time with the Lord in guess what those days typically look like? The kids must have gotten some sort of mammal and that got up before you and your good well out late plans are. Gone to waste. So no wonder that a devotional feels like, wow, if I can at least do that, that is a good idea and. I would just wanna say right at the outset, yes, I'm gonna give you some tough love, but I also, I wanna acknowledge where you are at because I've been there too. So if you are like, Hey, if I can get a devotional, and actually that's a huge win for me, then I wanna say to you, God bless you. I'm glad that you see the word of God come to flourish in your life. And that you're starting with a devotional, because that is not a bad place to start. It's just not one where we can stay at. So why is a devotional not the best thing? In this episode we're gonna look at some scriptures. We're gonna look at some key points, why I believe that devotionals are really limiting your spiritual growth. But I hear you, you might say, Hey. I love my devotionals and I honestly love a good devotional as well. I would say over the years I have found them less and less nourishing, and there are some good ones out there and some of them are just. I would say surface level stuff, but I love a good devotional if I find one and it's better than nothing again. But if that is the only diet you're gonna sustain for years upon yours, you're gonna be spiritual, starving. And the same is true honestly, with the worst of the day. I love my Bible app. If you have the Bible app, it used to call the you version app. If you have that app, wonderful. It's such a great tool to keep you on track and it has a verse every day with a short two to five minute teaching. It's amazing. Again, if that's where you are at, better than nothing, but I don't want you to stay there because in the long term this will be spiritual duration, but it is a beginning and a starting point to form a habit. What I've found that over the course of my Christian life is that once I got in the devotional state, I eventually realized that the devotional. Sort of give me a taste of the word of God, but what I really needed is to chew on a real bone and digest the word of God. You can kind of say the devotional is sort of an appetizer. While you actually need a full, well-balanced, nourishing meal, and if we just live on hor d'oeuvre style appetizer every day and never eat a well-balanced meal, then probably you will have some malnutrition. And it's very true in the spiritual principles as well. You can think about it another way. Imagine you just finished medical school and you say, well, I really wanna be a surgeon. Let me just try to watch a bunch of Insta videos, tiktoks and YouTube videos, and then I will do this procedure. Of course you would never do that because that's. Absolutely insufficient. But many times in our lives, we are trying to make spiritual decisions live our life. In a Godly way, trying to maybe even rage war in the spirit because we are not fighting against flesh and blood, right? We are fighting against principalities, but our diet consists of a bunch of devotional crackers and that's just not gonna cut it. You need to get rooted in the word and the only way to get rooted in the word. To take the whole full council of the world, meaning the whole Bible. Scripture says this in Hebrews five, 12 to 14. I love this in fact, though, by this time you ought to be teachers. You need someone to teach you the elementary truth of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food. Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant is not. Acquainted with a teaching about righteousness, but solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themself to distinguish good from evil. Such a good verse, and I could do a whole Bible study just on this verse, but what is very clear from the writer of Hebrews that. The mature food, the solid food, the real strong spiritual diet is important and for the mature person in faith. And if you all listen now of this show, you at least have the desire to be a mature person of faith and not just a dabble. Our, and I just wanna sing praises for you and say, hallelujah, I'm so glad you are here, and keep sticking with it because. Oh God will reward your quest, your thes for righteousness, for his word, for deeper relationship with him. He will reward this, so stick with it. The writer says that this solid food is for the mature and we have to have a constant use of it and have trained ourself. To distinguish good from evil. So as we learn the word of God as we put it constantly and use and evaluate. We are constantly in training. And what does that help with? Distinguished good from evil. In the earlier part it says, you just drink milk versus solid food. When I was a pediatric resident as UCSF many years ago I was actually famous for kind of quoting this verse bit out of context. I have to say I was just annoyed by the grand rounds that. Talked about Gen Ps and, you know, I was a highly specialized interest kind of person, so I wanted to hear the science and the hardcore stuff and not like the pediatric eye exam. But anyways, that's beside the story. So I remember one day I walked out and I was a little frustrated with the. A level of academic rigor of a Grant Lawrence lecture that I felt was just a waste of my time. Forgive me if you're a gen pees person, but that was just me. That's how I was wired. And I walked out of there and said, man, we need to have a real stake. I'm done with this milk, I'm done with this infamil, this formula type of grand rounds. I want a real steak so people make fun of me for the rest of residency and actually made it into the end of residency graduation skit for my year. And that was quite hilarious. But anyways, what I wanted to say here. You want to be a spiritual, mature Christian. You wanna have the desire to grow. Growth is intentional. You have to be intentional about it, but you really wanna go for milk, meaning. Devotionals or verse here and there to basic Christian ABCs about salvation, et cetera, to actual mature substantive food, which means you have to read the word of God, the whole Bible, even the hard passages, yet, even the prophets that sound like scary, confusing, big. Grandiose language, you don't understand. There's so many treasures in there. And yes, even in the book of Leviticus, which by the way, I actually really like, so let's go ahead and look at other things. This is my first point. You cannot know God without knowing his word, because the word of God is one key part how God reveals himself to us. So the Bible is not. An optional kind of add-on for intimacy. It is the part that creates intimacy with God. One key and core part. Obviously there's reading his word, there's also prayer, which is not just dumping a bunch of requests. I talk about this a lot, but also actually hearing and listening, but you cannot know God's character. Who he is, what he's like, his fullness of who he is as a person without reading his word. And if you just pick and choose and a devotional tends to pick and choose then you are actually leaving key parts out. You might just read devotionals about joy or peace or encouragement all the time. And there's nothing wrong with that, especially. There might be seasons where you really need that, but you might only get one angle of who God really is. Also important to remember, devotional are quoted scripture. Yes, you will have a couple verses and they are usually not a whole lot and again, you can of course, marinate and really chew on a bone of one or two verses like the one I just read here from Hebrew five yet. You need to be studying the whole scriptures to teach you God's nature and not just take somebody's word for it. Sometimes the danger is it might take scriptures out of context. So you read one verse. One of your verses that you put on your fridge or on a sticker, or on a t-shirt or on a coffee mug or something. And yes, they can encourage us and they can remind us of the goodness of God, but. You might miss the whole context. For example, Jeremiah 29 11, that just pops in my head, I know the plans I have for, you says the Lord, plans to prosper you, not to harm you, but to prosper you. I might have misquoted that slightly, but that's beautiful verse, right? That can be very encouraging for us personally and individually. But again, you need to remember and you need to know the full cons of God, which contracts the prophet Jeremiah. Actually wrote these verses two as he was weeping over the nation of Israel. So really important that you understand that. A devotional often takes a scripture out of context. And then you never go back and study the whole section yet along the whole book or at least the whole chapter. So it's a bit of a pick and choose your adventure kind of bible study. And that is, biased, You would never run a scientific research experiment that way, right? Where you just pick and choose your favorite variables. But you know, there's. Other variables that you leave out of your multivariant analysis because you just wanna focus on the few ones that you enjoy. That doesn't work that way. You won't get the full theology and the full counsel of the word of God if you just read a devotional. We also, when we read devotionals, and I would say the writers of most devotionals tend to go to passages we like that are easier to read or to understand, and therefore. We never get to the stage to mature, to actually review and read passages that have maybe more difficult language to it and that are harder to understand, which means we never get to the step to start communicating with the Lord via the Holy Spirit and say. What do you actually mean by that? How does that apply to me? That never happens if we just stick with the, the verses and the stories you might have heard in Sunday school or that you hear in a superficial three point evangelical sermon on a weekend. I didn't mean to throw the Evangelical under the bus. I am in one of those churches, but I just wanna encourage you do not limit the scope of the word of God to ever devotional and think you know what you're talking about or that you have encountered or met God in this way. You got to learn to chew on a bone, and that is a really important thing. You might even wanna write that down. You have to learn to really chew on a bone, which means you have a section of scripture, maybe an at entire book, maybe it's even just a verse, but. Really not the kind of fluffy and easy ones that we like to quote, but rather reading scripture and saying, wow, I don't really get this. I need to really process it and I need to invite the Lord into my life, into my intellect, into my emotions, to process that which might even trigger me, or I'm kind of upset about. I leave you with a verse from John. In the was the word and the word was with God. The word of God is so important. So that was the first point. You cannot know God without knowing his word. My second point is this. You cannot hear God's voice if you are not in the conversation. You have to speak to the Lord. So how does this look like? We know, you probably heard this many times, that God speaks through his word, meaning that is one way some people would say the main way. Definitely one of the main ways, I would say a predominant way that God communicates. Some people would say it's the only way he communicates. Well, if you believe that, which I. Tend to believe there's there is a Holy Spirit mentioned in scripture that he will he teach and interrupt you in all things. We need the Holy Spirit. But if you believe that the word of God, the Bible is one of the key ways. To hear the voice of God, well then you better meditate on it day and night. And that's actually what the scriptures throughout encourage us in the Psalms. In many ways, we ought to meditate on the scripture and revelation and understanding of who God is, what he is saying to you personally. To a church, to a nation, to a region, to healthcare, to medicine comes through meditating on his word. And in fact, I. Add as a side note, any revelation that is outside of the word of God is probably not from God. It needs to be confirmed by scripture. Again, for that you need to have the whole council on understanding of scripture, but I don't wanna digress, so you need to read God's word in order to hear His voice is and. His voice gets clearer the more we tune in and cut distractions. That means by reading scriptures, you really tune in, you reading scriptures in a longer format and say, I'm gonna be undisrupted, and that doesn't have to be ours. You can start with the same time you do a devotional, you just don't. Read other people's interpretation and commentary, which is usually what a devotional does. That can be very helpful. But you actually read the biblical text at length and in order because here is the critical part, when you read a devotional, you're consuming somebody else's meal. You are, you are regurgitating, you are re chewing, you are ree the meal that somebody else has processed the writer of the devotional. Again, that can be huge value because we learn from each other. When I'm mentor and coach and the Heal the Healers mentorship program, right, people benefit. From my personal experience and walk with the Lord from the mistakes I made from the times I maybe was disobedient and had to be called back by the Lord. From, from the heart lessons, from yes, and from the tears and from the hardship and from the challenges. So there is value in that. I'm not saying they're useless, I'm saying they have their place. Devotional in some way are also fast food for the spirit, which ultimately is unhealthy and leaves you nourished, undernourished or malnourished. So again, you don't wanna. Like I said in the beginning, you don't wanna sit and just have this vast food mentality. Everything in our culture is so fast. I once that instant, it's the instant dopamine hit. And I would argue this just comes to mind and sort of as a side note, the devotional, especially when you use a beautiful app like the Bible app, I use it every day to guide my Bible reading plan, but there is a bit of a. Box checker mentality, right? And when you read a short devotional, you can check those boxes very quickly. It's giving you this instant gratification and this little dopamine hit. Yeah, I did it. And that's good. That's actually great for habit formation. But you don't wanna stay at the instant gratification level. You wanna graduate to really be able to. Chew on the bone and learn how to hear God's voice through his word. And I would also say, if you are starting to learn how to hear God's voice through other things, like through the Holy Spirit, through your kind of that inner gentle nudge maybe through vision, dreams, revelation, prophecy if you are gifted that way all these things. Need to be filtered through the word of God. And if you have a devotional mentality and have just sort of a dim sum menu of biblical knowledge, you will not be able to maturely decide is what you're getting as revelation, dream interpretation, prophecy, and word of knowledge, whatever it might be from your own or from somebody else. To weigh it number one by the word of God and tested in the spirit because you will not have the maturity to actually do that, and you will can really get yourself into trouble. So the word of God, you must know it by heart. Jeremiah 33, 3. This is one of my favorite verses. You can tell I'm a little prophetically inclined. That's why I love these scriptures. Jeremiah says, call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things. You do not know the Lord invites here and said Call to me. And I will answer you and tell you great unsearchable things. You do not know the Lord wants to invite us into the conversation. And that is beautiful, and I love having conversations with the Lord and I wanna go deeper with it, but we can never, ever, ever neglect reading the scriptures totality to actually know. Ooh, is what I'm hearing matching the general cons of the word of God. Really important. It cannot contradict each other because the Lord is not just seran. He cannot contradict. So if you're hearing something that contradicts scripture, you might wanna take a pause and maybe there is another spirit talking to you. The next point, so I guess it's point number three. The noise is often blocking our nourishment, so, I know what you're saying. You are probably a busy physician and I understand crazy schedules and call schedules and getting up early to round or seeing sick kit in the ICU or whatever it might be, or you have a full loaded clinic or you have been on for 24 hours, whatever it might be. I know your objection because I had it many, many, many times over the, I don't know, three decades I've been a believer, and the objection is this, I don't have enough time. I don't know when to squeeze it in, and I'm gonna give you some tough love here if that's okay, because I had to give that to myself at times and say. Trust me, actually, you do have enough time. Show me your schedule, show me your social media accounts. Show me your phone and how much time you spent on there. And I can tell you you have enough time. We do, we just tend to choose to be busy with other things, but we have all pockets of time every day. Easily, we probably all easily have an hour extra of time that we just waste in little pockets here and there. Little too long of a scroll on social media, little too much reading emails that should have just been deleted, maybe watching your whatever favorite TV show. We do have time for many, many voices and I would highly. Encourage you, and actually, I'm very serious about this, and because why am I saying this? Because I have observed this. I have to constantly check myself and are falling into the trap. So I'm, I'm gonna be very real here. You must check yourself what voices you are listening to. Even question voices. But also in general, all the output that is put out there. And then the input we are getting through social media, through the news, especially what you're listening to here because it will cloud your judgment. It will out your ability to hear from the Lord very, very significantly, and you will not be able to be still with the Lord and be patient enough. To sit on your bum and not do anything and just wait on him. The pilot talks about Wait on the Lord, and I know that is really hard in our fast pace culture to do. And on top of that, your physician just let me, who's a bit type A and likes to move really fast at a hundred miles per hour. So if that's you and you are like, yeah, nodding your head, I totally get it. I've been there, I've, I've gotten the t-shirt more than once and. It never let me down a good path. Every time I spent time with the Lord, I never regretted it. It is life transformational. It is life transformational to actually sit on the board and sit with him. And also, honestly, the Lord knows you're busy. He knows your schedule. He, he's not like surprised. But I think sometimes we make our schedules just so much more complicated. How many times I talk to people that, ah, you know, I would love to do this and that, but my kids' schedule is just so busy and I'm saying to you. It's awesome that you take care of your kids and spend time with them, but if your kids extracurricular activity schedule is making you drive around all over town every day of the week and you don't have five minutes to sit down with the Lord, there is something very terribly wrong with a picture and you will not be able to raise up your child in the knowledge of God. And I've done that wrong too. Not so much the too many activities. My kids weren't too crazy with that, but just busy with other stuff. So I know hard word of truth here. So I want to invite you to this challenge because this is very prevalent for all of us. I don't know a single person who isn't struggling with this very thing. Not enough time, too much distraction, too many things on the social media account and the news and the emails, et cetera, or on our busy schedules. And I would just encourage you do something very simple, even for 24 hours, just turn off your phone. Or at least the social media account. Like one day, turn them off, delete them from your phone. If you're so desperate, you can let them back on tomorrow. But do something spend time in the wood instead. It will be so rewarding to you and it will. Lead you to answers for the struggles you have right now in your life. I don't know who I'm saying this for, but probably somebody there out listening. You are actually struggling right now. You're having a really hard time and you're like, God, there must be better answer. And there is. And he might be trying to talk to you, but if we are busy and. To go mosey all over the place and have 30 minutes to look on Facebook or on X or on blue sky or whatever you're listening to and still left dull afterwards, it might be time to say, Lord. I'm struggling. I need to lay it down because I really need your help. I'm speaking this from all my heart, from somebody out there because my love goes out to you. My prayer go out to you because I've been there. So I'm just keeping it real. I know how it is. I've struggled with that too. Sam verse one to two says, blessed is the one who does not walk and step with a wicked or stand in a way that sinners take or sit. In the company of Makos, but who is delight is in the law of the Lord and who meditates on his Lord day and night. That's meditation on his word. And that's what I wanna invite you to. And before I'm gonna close us down with some actionable steps and some prayers for you I wanna. Speak just one second about when it says meditate on the word. We are not talking about just for clarification, because I know people sometimes get confused. We are not talking about eastern transcendent meditation. That is not of God, and I would strongly encourage you to stay away from that. I've fallen into those traps too. We don't meditate to empty our mind. And look for something else. We meditate on the word of God. There's a big difference. So meditation in the word of God is we are gonna be filled. We are meditating on His word and our minds and our very inner mouths being is filled with the knowledge of God, with his word, with his truth, with his promises, with his character. What what he says about you. That's what we are filling ourselves with when we meditate. Meditation is not. What the counterfeit of the enemy is, which is empty your mind, let everything go. Looking for the clouds. I have done all that. Am not going back there. That's another topic for another time, but so we are meditating on the board, so very big difference. If you have questions about that, just you know, email me. You can do that at Inga INGA at Inga Hoffman. That's H-O-F-M-A-N-N dot com. So inga@ingahoffman.com. You can email me and say, Hey, what do you mean by meditation's? Not any good. So we can talk more about that. So what I wanna do as we wrap this up, so I wanna give you an a little activation step, an action step. So this week I encourage you open your Bible. And not your devotional app open you. And if you have a physical Bible or don't get me on a tangent, but physical bibles are great because they do not distract us. So if you have a physical Bible, you know, the paper thing with a, with a tiny, thin, thin paper, that's what you should be reading. I personally find that a lot more, helps me focus if I'm on an app or I'm gonna be in la la land on, on my phone somewhere else in, in a split second because I'm struggling with that attention problem too. So pick your Bible up, not the app. Make a concrete plan, meaning get a solid Bible reading plan. Ideally, you can get through the Bible in a year. It's actually less. Time then you think it will is about 15 minutes a day. And then you can read and journal and ask the Lord to speak to you. So I've recorded other episodes about how do you read your Bible as a busy physician, what can you do? I really would encourage you. Make yourself a goal to read through the Bible in one year, whether it's from cover to cover historically chronologically in some other Bible plan where you have a little bit of New Testament, old Testament, the Psalms, each, whatever you pick. Pick something to get started. If that is too much of E task and feels overwhelming. Although you will be surprised. You can do it in 15 minutes. Bible recap. A lot of people that start out love it. It's a great thing. I did a one year actually test it out and I think it's a wonderful tool that really is very, comprehensive, not. Theologically complicated and it gets you through the Bible in a year and really holds your hand. So I encourage you, you can use that, you can use the Bible app and, just look for Bible reading plans that get through, through a year. If that feels too much, you say, I'm gonna just do the New Testament or the gospels, or. The Penta took, which is the books of Moses, the first five books. Whatever you choose, just start with a concrete plan and plan to reach just for 15 minutes a day. I promise you it will change your life. If that is too much, just stand aside to just maybe start even with one book. I encourage you to read something that you haven't read. 500 times already. But read something that is maybe you have trying to avoid because you might think it's complicated. So, and then read, then journal, and then ask God, what are you saying? This is my encouragement to you. Stop snacking and start feasting on the word of God. So let me close and pray and I will decree and declare this you and then pray over you. And you can even repeat this, especially if you are alone in a car, perfect time. And it will so empower and encourage you. I do this all the time, so if you can speak this out loud after me. I will no longer live on spiritual breadcrumbs. I feast daily on the word of God. I grow in wisdom, in strength, in discernment, I can hear the voice of God clearly cause he is leading me through time and his presence. I'm a kingdom physician fat at God's table. So, Lord, I pray for, for those that are listening, that you give them encouragement and that you really pull on their hearts and their minds and just their, their whole being to say, oh, Lord. I need to feast on your table. I need to sit in your presence and I want to read your word and study it more deeply because when we read your word, Lord, we meet you. We come into the holy presence of the living God, of the creator of the universe, of the Lord Jesus himself to minister to us through his word. We thank you for that. So Lord, forgive us where we have taken this too lightly and not. Feasted on your word where we felt like a, a verse a day is sufficient. Were a little devotional and maybe even gotten wrong theology on sidetracked and, and limited our our belief because of that. So give us an increased measure of faith. Give all the physicians that are listening to this right now an increased measure of just self-discipline. To form a new habit, to read your word on a daily basis. Lord, forgive us where we rush through those moments and let us just be in your presence and, and enjoy your presence. And thank you Lord, for rewarding just sitting with us and as we sit at your feet that you, we feast at your table and that you give us something to feast on every single time. We thank you for that, Lord. Stir our hunger for your word. Give us deeper understanding and focus when we are reading so we don't feel distracted, and give us comprehension and understanding. Teach us in your word to help us discern what you're saying and also obey what you're instructing us. We thank you for that. We pray this all in Jesus name. Amen. So thank you so much for listening This. Took much longer than I planned. I thought, eh, this will be a short 10 minute episode, but I hope this really blessed you. Here's what I wanna encourage you with today. If this blessed you, number one, share the show with others and share it with your friends, family, whoever you know that feels like, oh, they could benefit from this too. If this episode hit home in any way and you want to go deeper and you say, wow, Inga, what you're talking about here is really awesome. I wish I had a mentor that could help me by the hand and help me in my spiritual growth as a busy physician. Then I'm here for you. You can join the Heal the Healers Mentorship Program. I do exactly that. Every week I teach, I equip, I empower I pray. And we talk about growing in the word in leadership and healing ministry. And let me tell you, this is the Heal the Healers Mentorship Program is a really an immersive program. It's only about one and a half hours per week of your time, but you really get immersed in the word of God in a community of Christian believers. This is not a snack plan. This is a meal to get nourished. So if you are interested, go to inga hoffman.com/heal the Healers Mentorship Program. That is each word has a dash in between. I'm gonna put it on show notes for easy access. But I hope this bless you again, would be delighted to have you in our Heal the Healers community. And until next time, have a blessed day. Bye-bye.