38. How Christian Physicians Can Integrate Prayer and Medicine | Faith-Driven Healing and Bringing Jesus into Patient Care with Dr. Alissa Hinkle

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In this episode of Heal the Healers, Dr. Inga Hofmann sits down with ER physician Dr. Alyssa Hinkle for a faith-filled conversation on healing prayer, evangelism, and bringing Jesus into medicine.

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• The moment Dr. Hinkle encountered God during the chaos of COVID
• First-hand miracle stories—from restored speech to freedom from chronic pain
• How to pray with patients and share the gospel naturally in the healthcare setting
• Overcoming fear, doubt, and “what will people think?”
• Why faith and medicine aren’t in conflict—they’re powerful together

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Inga Hofmann, MD: 0:05

​And the Lord stopped me dead in the hallway and said, almost audibly, I know that you don't believe that I do this anymore, that I do miracles. And I said, I don't, how can I, with so much death and destruction that I, that is around me right now. How can I, and, and I think the Lord, I know that the Lord honors us when we are honest with him about what it is that we're feeling. Even if it's in doubt, when we come to him and honestly tell him, I don't know where to go from here. I know your word says this, but I don't, I don't believe it. And that's literally what I told him. And he said, that's okay that you don't, if you stay with me, I will show you that I still do this.

Speaker: 1:03

Welcome to the Heal the Healers podcast, where we explore the intersection of faith and medicine. Discover your God-given potential and experience Christ's healing in the midst of medical burnout. I'm your host, Ingar Hoffman, a pediatric key mock doc, physician, coach, and follow up Jesus. Together we will navigate the challenges of medicine, integrate faith into our personal and professional lives. Experience, spiritual renewal and find restoration in Christ. Welcome to the Heal the Healers, where Christ heals one physician and one patient at a time.

Inga Hofmann, MD: 1:43

Well, hello there. I'm really excited today about this episode of Heal the Healers because today I have a guest with me, and that's not something I usually had in the past, but really felt stirred to start having conversations about healing, prayer for healing, and sharing the gospel amongst physicians as well as patients, and just anybody on the street. And I have the perfect guest for this episode that I wanna introduce you today with, and her name is Dr. Connie Hinkle, but you also go by Alyssa, and I should have clarified actually, which one do you prefer? Oh, I go by my middle name, Alyssa. Yeah. Okay with Connie thought some people call me Connie, and I, I just answer. It's all right. That's awesome. Well, welcome so much Alice, and I'm so excited. We had planned to do this for a really long time and it's finally happening. And let me maybe share a little bit how, how we met and then I wanna hear your story because I think it will be really exciting to any physician that is listening who is excited about medicine, faith, healthcare, and transformation in that space. So I think we connected on Facebook totally randomly. We saw probably each other's post and, and we're like, wow. Yes, that's, that's my person. And was another one. It's, and I was so excited to see what you were doing and, and we had a conversation a few months back and really I feel like had so many connecting pieces and since then I was like, we gotta. Have an episode together where we talk about healing as a physician from a, from a faith perspective, that Jesus is still the healer, still healing people. And so that's what we're gonna talk about today. But Alyssa, maybe just introduce yourself to to the heal to Healers audience and just share a little bit about, you know, who you are, where you live, what you do as a day job, and then we dive into the meat of things. Yeah, sure. So I am currently in Tennessee. I'm from Tennessee, and right now I'm doing community er, rural er. And I love it. It's funny you say day job'cause I, I mostly do night shift now, so, so, so I guess technically I'm a nocturnists. But I haven't always, I haven't always done that. That has been I. That's sort of just how my career has transformed since the pandemic. And just to go back and tell a little bit about my faith story. So I grew up in the church. I grew up in a very charismatic Pentecostal church. So I sort of knew from, you know, from an early age, got saved at seven or eight years old, baptized early. And I have known for my whole life really about the gifts of the spirit and and that sort of, that sort of thing. But I have never in my life experienced the just outpouring of the sp of the spirit as I have in the last couple of years. And, and I'm gonna tell you why. I think we tend to, even in charismatic circles, sometimes. We don't take God literal at his word when he says things like yeah, we're just gonna dive right into it.'cause this is where I feel the spirits leading when he says things like at the end of Mark 16. When he gives the disciples a commandment to heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons, and to make disciples. And and then we see this whole example of how Jesus did his ministry, which is anybody that came to him, he healed. We don't take him literal enough. At least I did not. That that also is for us to then go do. He gave us all the authority that was given back to him, he gave to us. And so when I started seeing, really, it was my cousin out of Nashville who has a ministry called Freedom Collective. He had his own, him and his wife actually, it started with his wife, Allie. And they had their own spiritual awakening. And then I started to see how the Holy Spirit was doing miracles through their ministry. It really made me question, you know, I had always prayed for patience and interceded for them. But it really made me question the ministry of Jesus. How he was, how he was able to heal people with a command. It was an instant command. And so when I started delving into scripture, I had this spiritual awakening of my own and started praying out in faith, Lord, you said that we would see even greater things than you did when you walked the Earth. And it's hard to get away from passages like that where he says, without any ambiguity, you will see greater things than this. And. Now pray out in faith that those supernatural things will start to happen. And it says at the end of March 16 again, that these sons will follow believers. This is the right, this is the birthright of every single son and daughter of, of God that these will follow believers. It doesn't take a special person. There's nothing inherently special about me. Even there's a wonderful woman named Catherine Coleman that I lo I love watching clips of her minister, you know who I'm talking about? Yeah. Yes. Amazing ministry where she would hold these massive services and not even be able to preach. She would just walk out on stage and the anointing of the Holy Spirit would be so heavy that people would spontaneously get delivered in the glory of God without her even praying because it has nothing to do with us. Yes. Amen. The Holy Spirit is the one that does all the work. And I remember a clip where I watched her speaking. And she herself said, there's nothing inherently special about me. Mm-hmm. Oh, Jesus. There's nothing special about Catherine Coleman. And, and so yeah. So I started reading the scripture for myself and asking the Lord, if there is more here, I desire for you only, and I desire to do your will, and I need you to teach me. And that, that simple prayer, it sounds very simple, but it's, but it's, if you give the Lord a yes and and mean it, and earnest, he's gonna, he's gonna run with it. And that simple prayer has launched the next four years of my life as it exists, which is. To see on a regular basis. Now the Lord do miraculous things for, for people that he brings for me to pray for or for our ministry to pray for. We have a ministry now locally where we do this and amazing. And that's it. There's so much more of it that that's the story. And I can, if you want, I can walk you through how that process happened for me. But yeah, no, we'd love to talk a little bit about this, but I think there's a couple things that you pointed out that will be really. Helpful to highlight because as you were speaking sort of, I was like, oh yes, some aha moments. So we came from very different backgrounds. I grew up in a, well, I didn't grow up in the church. I grew up in Germany in the in my, on PayPal. I was Catholic and I went to Catholic as a little girl, but then eventually signed out of the church. I became a Christian believer in high school in a Russian Mennonite church. Now, when I say that in the US you might not be as familiar with what that looks like, but probably Brethren Mennonite, Amish without the horses kind of thing. That's sort of the closest, probably you can imagine. So separate seating between men and women, head covering dresses, the whole nine yards. That's where I, as a regular believer as a regular teenager became a believer and. Pretty much all my Christian life. I also did not realize, I did actually not know about the gifts of the spirit. That was something I basically ended up being in churches where that was either sort of not mentioned or perhaps they were pure cessationist. So around a similar time. And I'm just very, that piqued my interest. That awakening actually happened to me through an incident that I shared earlier on the podcast where I pay prayed for a patient in the hospital. I wasn't even at the bedside that I feel like that is a miracle. This kid is alive today, which then led me to discover this same journey. So what I wanted to point out, for anybody who is listening, it actually doesn't matter where you come from. You have might have grown up in the church, or you might be a believer for five seconds, or you might have been in a whatever cessationist church. The Lord's word and the Holy Spirit is not diminished by our upbringing. And so I think that's really important for people to hear, to know, but you know, I didn't grow up in this kind of environment, therefore I cannot. And that's just not true. And the, the word of God certain, he says another picture. The other thing quickly for people to point out, I'm, I love Katherine Kuman as well. Looking at her example, it's so inspiring. She was just for people to look up, go look up Katherine Kuman and old videos of her. She long passed in is with the Lord. But she was really a giant amongst giants of that epoch of time in, in in the body of Christ. And I think there's a lot we can lean from, yet this is a new epoch of time and I think the Lord is doing something differently. And I think what you described of that awakening happened somewhere at the beginning of COVID and I feel like. That is such a prime example, what the enemy meant for evil. Well, God is really using it for good. And so I just, I just got excited about that. I don't think I was as much aware of that timeline. But share a little bit more about sort of, you, you started to, okay, Lord, I'm seeing this in scripture. I'm gonna pray this dangerous prayer. And then what happened in you and what did you see as an outward expression of that? I'm so glad that you mentioned COVID because it, it, it put me back to exactly, I can tell you the exact moment that it happened. So I, so a little bit more about the context of this period of time. For, for me specifically, I was actually a hospitalist, so I'm family medicine trained and went to a great program. I have a lot of acute care experience. So I've always done acute care medicine, but. The hospital that I was at at the time was closed during COVID, and I ended up going to a larger center that was for our area, one of the funnel hospitals where sort of the sickest patients ended up coming to. And so at that time much like a, a, a bunch of other physicians who were in the thick of it, right? Mm-hmm. I was seeing a lot of patients die. Mm-hmm. Just no matter what we did, every, it just seemed like everybody was, everybody was dying. And I remember, this is again, just for context, but I remember at one point picking up my phone and thinking to myself, I'm gonna have to get a new phone because I cannot pick up my phone and not remember all the times that I have video called family to say goodbye to their loved one because they couldn't come into the hospital to visit and. We were gonna be, I was putting them on life support. I was intubating and doing all these complicated things and I didn't know if they were gonna make it. And then having to pick up my same phone that I had at the time and then call'em and tell them, wow, your father that just said goodbye to his toddler children has passed. Or in one particular situation it was, I'm calling the same woman to tell her that her husband and her son. Wow. So I remember very distinctly I was working in the basement at this hospital that used to be the physician's lounge where every special specialty service would come and sort of commingle. And it was this real collegiate kind of camaraderie that was just laid to waste during COVID. All of that, destroyed. Mm-hmm. But I worked down there on purpose because it was quiet and there was solitude down there. So I was on my way to see a patient. It was, it was dark you know, probably three or four o'clock in the morning. And the Lord stopped me dead in the hallway and said, almost audibly, I know that you don't believe that I do this anymore, that I do miracles. And I said, I don't, how can I, with so much death and destruction Yeah. That I, that is around me right now. How can I, and, and I think the Lord, I know that the Lord honors us when we are honest with him about what it is that we're feeling. Even if it's in doubt, when we come to him and honestly tell him, mm-hmm. I don't know where to go from here. I know your word says this, but I don't, I don't believe it. And that's literally what I told him. And he said, that's okay that you don't, if you stay with me, I will show you that I still do this. And it wasn't long after. And I said, okay, okay. And it wasn't long after that when he started opening my eyes to the, and it wasn't just with my cousin's ministry, but things that were occurring around the globe about how you know, the Holy Spirit is just pouring out. His glory. The glory of God is the, is the power of the Holy Spirit moving right? Glory on the earth. Really In I believe it's the second chapter of Joel where it says, you know, your sons and daughters and your old men will start to prophesy. And I began to see these things, and, and that's when I started questioning, okay, I've, I've said this prayer. The Lord has clearly told me that he's going to show me mm-hmm. That he still does this. So teach me Holy Spirit, because I'm coming to you in humbleness that I don't, I don't believe this and I need you to teach me where, where it is in scripture that says this. And so he brought me back to Job, the Book of Job. And and I think he brought me back to this specific place in job because. Not only does it highlight what I'm gonna say, but, but now that I'm doing this in ministry, it's a place where a lot of people go to where they, where they tell me the suffering is for a reason. And the beginning part of Job where it says the, that Satan came to the Lord and then Job was afflicted with all of these things, including physical illness. He had all these awful sores that came up on him. And while the Bible doesn't specifically say what that disorder was, that disease was, we can sort of surmise, you know, what it may have been at that time. And I realize we have a real enemy that can afflict us with physical illness. Yes. Because it says it plainly. It says it plainly in the text. Yeah. And if we believe any of scripture, we have to believe the whole of it. And that is, that job was afflicted with sores so terribly that it says. He could not get any relief. The dogs licked his wounds and that he was, I mean, it's a very graphic you know, part of scripture that he was using a pot shard to, to scrape himself. And there were other people that witnessed this. His wife, all of his friends. It's not a symbolic account of, of illness. It is a literal, it's very real. Yeah. It's very literal in the description. It's not for some symbolism, it is a literal account of, of here is a righteous man of God that Satan has afflicted with disease. And I realized in that moment, if Satan can do that, that means that all of this is real. Every bit of is real. And that the Lord really can do miracles today, even with, even with physical illness, any physical illness. And that was the beginning of the spirit really opening my eyes to the rest of scripture. Wow. That's amazing. Thanks for sharing that. And I think that's such a pertinent scripture. And you shared a little bit from a different angle because a lot of times, like you kind of alluded to, people sort of say, well, you know, I am, I'm supposed to carry this suffering. Sometimes I used to say this with migraines that I now rarely ever get, praise the Lord. But it was sort of, this is my burden, my cross to carry in life. And that's just my you know, physical illness that I have to walk around with. Like, but that's actually not scriptural. But we all, many of us, many people believe that. And it's really to a detriment. It's very sad. It, it is. And, and this is the same realization that I had to, that I had to come to, is this it even in the Book of Job, it was Satan, that afflicted job with that and the Lord healed him. Yes. The Lord healed him out of that. And then the second question that sort of gets invariably brought up from the Book of Job is, well the Lord allowed that to happen. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But that doesn't mean that it was his will. The Lord allows a lot of things to happen on the Earth that are not his will. It is not his will that any should perish and go to a hell that was never made for humans. Yeah. Where Jesus clearly says hell was made for Satan and the, and his demons. It is not the will of the Lord that any of us should, should die and go there. But he, but he still allows us the choice to do that. He still allows us to make the choice. Mm-hmm. So he still allows things to happen on the earth, even if it's not his will. And he didn't leave job in that state. He healed him and restored everything to him. So the second big question that I had to. Really wrestle with, I say wrestle because it's, it is a wrestling of me unlearning the traditions of man and understanding what the will of God actually is. And if you look at the life of Jesus, it says in scripture he perfectly, he is the perfect example of what the will of the Father is, which is that everybody should be healed. There's not a single account of scripture in scripture where Jesus did not heal someone that came to him for healing and deliverance. Not a single account. And when I realized it is the will of God that everyone should be healed. And when something doesn't happen, it's not because the Lord doesn't want it to happen. Now all of a sudden with that realization, I'm praying out of that place because I know what the will of the Lord is. And so now for myself, I'm no longer praying if it be your will, Lord, heal this person. I'm now pre, which is what I used to do all the time. Yeah. I'm now praying I'm chuckling. Yeah. Yeah. I, I know, right? It sounds so simple, but, but it's the truth. Now I'm praying out of faith. Lord, I know that it is your will to heal this person. And I thank you that now I'm playing, I'm praying out of a place of victory. And there's so much more faith behind that. Because, because you know that the Lord wants it to happen. Yes. Yes. And then what started to happen was the Lord would highlight the Holy Spirit would highlight people to me and highlight problems that they had. You know, we do, we do more evangelistic trips now where I get to show people, i'm not just gonna tell you about Jesus. I'm gonna have, I, I want to introduce you to Jesus. Let me show you that Jesus is still alive. Mm-hmm. And that he still does these things. And by the way, that back pain that the Lord highlighted to me, he wants to heal it because he pointed it out. So, so that's how, that's how the conversation has changed in in even the evangelism outreach that, that we do now. That's amazing. And I had to chuckle, I'm glad you brought this up, because we, so. Very similar to what you kind of shared. I used to pray for patients, right? And I'm a pediatric cancer doctor, specialized on bone marrow transplant. So I've seen a lot of very sick and devastating situations, and obviously not all patients are believers, but oftentimes I prayed for them sort of more on the quiet, right? And we pray sort of this prayer at where, where we are at the end of our physical knowledge of our textbook medical training kind of knowledge, when we get desperate and have nothing else in the kitchen sink to throw it right then we are like, Lord you can do it right if it's your will. And we even, I'm on the prayer ministry team at church. So every weekend I pray for people and a lot of times there is, you hear sort of this sentiment, do it if it's your will and. I'm so glad you pointed that out because it is not the Lord's world that people are afflicted and sick. He has already had done the finished work of the cross. And I think that pivot and that it, it, I call it a mindset shift, what is really a shift of faith in our hearts and our positioning where we are looking to to Jesus to say, no, this is naughty if it's your will. We are standing on the word of God. And I think when people say, if it's your will, there's kind of an intermixing of a very different scripture that people kind of pull in there and say, well, if it's a Lord, will he, he can heal me. And and I can be a big stumbling block. So share with me a little bit, I, I love what you kind of went into a little bit about what I've seen you do so well from the distance and we, we gotta go out one day together and, and hit the road or something. But what I see you do so well and I think what the Lord has really blessed you with and really stirred in your heart is what you started to share a little bit about. Okay, I can pray for people in the hospital but. I can also really take the word of God and that faith and use healing as an introduction to Jesus. Yes. And what a, what a amazing ministry as a physician. Right. So share a little bit how that looks like. Maybe you have a crazy story and example to share with the listeners. Yeah, I have, I have, I have plenty. And you, you know what's, you know what's funny is I, I live in a really small, small town and, but to be honest, it doesn't matter if you live in a small town or not. Invariably, somebody is going to come and ask you for medical advice. Just because of our profession. Right? Yeah. And, and so I started changing my perspective on, on people coming to ask me for, for questions or advice about a certain medical topic because I may not be able to give them you know, it may be, it may be inappropriate for me to give them advice on a certain topic because I'm not a special, you know, a specialist in that area or I don't know their entire history. And so that can feel very intrusive and inconvenient. When you know, you're on your off time and you're, some days when I'm off getting, you know, a bunch of phone calls, but I realized the reason that was happening is because the Lord was using my profession to. Be able to pray for people. And so now, instead of look at that as an inconvenience, there are no inconveniences in the Lord. Amen. Every single Amen interaction that we have with people in is, is ordained by the Holy Spirit trying to spread the power of the gospel. I I, I don't know how else to say it. We, it, it's a mindset change. Yeah. Yeah. And I, and I think as physicians it's so easy to get to feel that pressure because you want to help people and you also need your off time to rest and recuperate, right? Yeah. So, so it can feel very intrusive at times and also. And also heartbreaking because you see the suffering and you want to help, and sometimes you, you just can't. Yep. So, so it's a mindset. Sh it's a, it's a total mindset shift. Because now I may not have a medical answer for somebody who say, stops me in the middle of a grocery store. That happens a lot. You must be really living in a pretty small town. I'm, which I'm okay with. I'm, I'm okay with. And because now what I can tell people is, I'm sorry I don't have an answer for that, but I know the person who does, because I serve a greater physician than me. And, and where medicine may have a limit, the Lord does not. And so now I, I, I say you know, this may be the limit of my advice from a medical perspective, but do you want to pray about that And we're gonna see the Lord work here and, and say that in faith, because I know it to be true. And, and you know, the thing is, I wanna say this too, because I also dealt with this question, which is, when you pray for somebody and nothing happens What, what do you do? You've now stepped out in faith, or maybe it's a little's faith, you know, each of us are, are at different levels of faith in our, our journey with the Lord at any particular time. And what do I do now if I've stepped out? And even with that person in public? Nothing changes. You know what I would say to that is, I just because you've prayed for somebody now and you don't see it immediately, doesn't mean that nothing has happened. Amen. And even if nothing does, even if nothing does, that person knows that you have loved them as Jesus has. Yeah. And you have prayed for them in faith and out of love and, and. Really, Paul says, there is nothing greater than love. Right. I, I can, I can prophesy, I can have faith that moves mountains, but if I lack love mm-hmm. I might as well be symbols clinging together. Yep. Yes. I may, I may be able to have the faith to perform miraculous signs and wonders and miracles and, and see every single person healed. But if it's not done out of love, none of it even matters. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's a little bit of a tangent, but so gets a story. So I'll show you how this, I'll, I'll sort of walk you through a day to day, how this plays out locally. And then when we travel. So a couple of weeks ago I had an off day. It was very unusual. I had nothing to do. Yeah. Which is, is strange for, for me as I imagine it is for a lot of physicians. Yes, yes. And so the Lord said, I just asked the Lord, what do you want me to do today? I don't, I don't have anything to do. Course, there's always things that the at house, the house I can do, but what do you want me to do today? And he said, I just want you to come and spend the day with me. And so I did. So I went to a particular place where the Lord I felt the Lord was leading me to. And then throughout the day stopped at several locations and at each one of those places, the Lord highlighted someone for me to pray to. And as the day went on I got specific words of prophecy for people. I got to pray for somebody that had, a diabetic foot ulcer that I'm just believing is healed and I got to pray for somebody else's back pain that improved. So this is these little things that over the course of a day add up to. Well, now I've prayed for, I dunno, four or five people today that got to hear how much the Lord loves them and and got to see the power of the Holy Spirit. And often when I pray for people, something happens, they, they will, even if, even if you don't see in the moment something happens, they may break down in tears. They may say, thank you. Nobody has ever prayed for me like that before. How sad is that? Yeah. No one has ever prayed for me like that before. So I just wanna say that as an encouragement. You know, sometimes when I tell these stories, people think there's no way I could do that, or there, there's something special about me. And that's not it at all. And I have had, we went on a let's see, I'm trying to think of which story to tell you. We went on a local evangelism day where one of the, one of the women who has become part of our ministry team asked us to take her out on an evangelism trip. And so we decided to go do that locally. We just had a half a day. We went to a different county and went to a downtown section. And we came across this woman who was homeless and she was sitting outside of another ministry. She was, we started talking with her, engaging her. She was a believer and had had a devastating stroke that caused a speech, you know, expressive aphasia and a chronic tremor. She couldn't even out, you know, stretch her hand out to shake my hand without having a debilitating tremor in both of her hands. And that was worse on I don't remember which particular side, but, you know, it was worse on one side than the other. And so we began to pray for her. And all of a sudden, you know, the atmosphere shifts. You can feel it when the Holy Spirit is moving, when you move with, when you go down this journey with him. He increases your sensitivity into the things that he's doing and what he is doing in the moment. So you can feel the shift happen. I can tell some something's the Lord is doing something and her speech suddenly comes out clear. Wow. And, and I think we stopped because the, there was three of us. We, we heard the change and so we stopped. And then you ask her to test it in faith. Hey, your, and you know, pointed out your speech sounds. Great. And I said, so what was the other problem that you were having? And so she stretched out her hands and said, well, I have this tremor that I, you know, I shake all the time. And she stretched out her hands and did this. Wow. You mean the one that's not there anymore? And her eyes got huge and she just looked at us and I said, that's Jesus that did that for you because he loves you so much that he died on the cross. You know, it says in Isaiah 53, and I, I pray this all the time over people. Not, not because we necessarily have to, it's not about the literal words that I use to pray for healing for people. You don't have to recite this exact verse. Yes. Because I want them to hear the truth. Which is the truth that Isaiah 53 says that he died for our sins, our transgressions, and for the healing of our bodies. It's not an either or. Yes. It's not a qualifying statement. There it says, and yeah. And for the healing of our bodies, and that Peter says, by his stripes, we were healed. Yes. And so now I get to tell her Jesus has healed you Exactly how it says in scripture that he does. Yeah, I love that you bring that basic foundation of the gospel back in there because ultimately, you know, having people, now this woman was a believer and you know, her tremor was gone. Her know speech impediment was gone, praise the Lord. But ultimately. You know, we, the ultimate goal is souls are getting saved and meeting Jesus. Yes. Like for real. And so I love that you bring that scripture in because it ties it all together. You know, one of my, I had to chuckle earlier, and again, as an encouragement for anybody who's listening one of my mentors used to say something very similar, well, she still does. Judith MCAT is very well known in healing ministry. She and her Aspen about four decades ago started to train up people in, basically in prayer ministry, specifically focused on different types of healing. And what always stuck with me from the first lesson that I came under this teaching is the saying that something always happens when we pray. Yes. Always exactly like you said, we might not see the immediate outcome, but something changes. I've prayed for people where later they came back and say, oh, by the way you know, my, my vision impairment I was worried it was a horrible disease, and it's just something transient and, and it's okay. You know, there are so many wonderful things that you are like, wow that the Lord is good. And so I think we have to be careful not to be tied to the, we wanna see the outcome. Of course, it's exciting, right? But to be careful, to not be tied to the outcome too much. And I'm, I'm even preaching to myself because we want to see people better, right? That's why we are physicians. That's why we went into this profession. But I think as we are too tied to the outcome, we can slip into the danger of, oh, it was my perfect prayer when it is effect pointing back to Jesus. And I think the other thing you said, doing everything in love. Yes, it's so important. They will know the love of Jesus because of that. We can pray the most imperfect prayer, but in our day and age, and especially in our profession where we are always in a hurry, especially in the medical setting, to pause and make time for something so intimate as a prayer speaks volumes about compassion and care that a prescription never could. Well, thank you Lord for that phrase. Amen. And listen, I, I wanna say too, even, even salvation, I cannot tell you how many, and this is not to boast in any way. This is just the truth. I cannot even tell you how many salvations have happened in an acute care setting when I have been praying for people. Oh, wow. And so, so I, I just, you know, I I said we only had an hour, but if we we can go over if we need to, I can push back. I'm just saying this'cause I, I feel like the spirit is wanting to do something here. We can push it longer if we need to. Okay. Okay. So I, I just wanna say, because this is so important, what I'm getting ready to say is practically how do you pray for people? Yes. Let's go there. So, yeah. And so I wanna say two things. One, consent. So you, you walk into the room and you feel that the spirit is leading you to pray for this specific person. So I'll often say something to the effect of you know, this is, this is probably gonna sound a little unusual, but I do this a lot here. I often will offer, offer to pray for people. I would love to pray for that. You know, insert whatever thing. I would love to pray for you. Would that be okay? It's okay if you don't want that. And, and, and, you know, you're not trying to really give them an excuse, but I don't wanna, we don't wanna, you know, pray for somebody who doesn't, who's not in a place that they want to even accept prayer. And if they tell me no, I will you know, tell them I love you and I want to see you well, and it's okay that you don't want me to pray for you right now. And just, you just love them anyway. And, and pray and intercede for them on your own. Exactly. And, but, but often that, that's such a minority of people. It, it just is, it's such a minority of people. When you take a step of faith out and say, I want to pray for you, would it be okay if I do that? Even if people don't believe in Jesus nine times outta 10, they will tell me please, because they're at a place of desperation. And we have the advantage of seeing people at their worst. This is like, this is their worst day, right? We do this all the time. This is their worst day. And and they just wanna be loved. Yeah. Yeah. And, and it's an act of love to do that for a person. And then, so the next thing I wanna say, lemme see. Holy Spirit. Where was I going with that? The next thing I wanna say is that was something you brought to mind. I'm trying to remember what it was. I have had. Oh, salvations. So it does not take a lot of time. You would think that it does, and I know we often feel. You know, in an era setting and, and even much, even more so to be honest, in, in a clinic setting, because you're you know, sort of time constrained to specific Yeah. Discrete periods of time with a patient. So I, I would feel probably even more so in a clinic setting. You're sort of crunch for time and, but it, it doesn't take that much time. I have had, I have had people who have been truly suicidal and desperate. And those have been some of the most fruitful prayer times when I thought we were gonna be going in, when I thought I was gonna be going in to pray for something else. And it turns out that that person wants to accept Jesus. Wow. And they're, and they're ready. And, and think about what would've happened had I not listened to the Lord. Yeah. And, and listen to this, you know, nudging from the spirit to go pray for that person. Yes. Yeah. And, and to see them. To see them, oh my God. It's, it's, it almost brings you to tears. Yeah. Just see how the Lord snatches that person out of hell. And, and they, I'm thinking of one case in particular you know, that I'm not gonna share the details of, but was just please pray for me. Yes. And then we started having a conversation about you know, I pray to Jesus because sometimes you need to know who we're praying to. Yes. Right. So we're, so we're on the same page, you know, I'm, I'm praying to Jesus. And is that okay with you? Yes. And then we start having a conversation of you know, tell me what kind of support system that you have. Do you, do you go to a church? That's how I will often, with somebody who's willing work out those, you know, ask the, the person tell me what support system do you have? Do you have a church family that can pray over you? And then it sort of opens up the conversation of, yes, but you know, I, I believe this or no, I don't because I've not been in church for a very long time. And then we get to have a conversation so that, that particular instance I'm thinking of was a five minute conversation. And, and then I got to go back several times and pour life into that particular individual who accepted the Lord. And then I got to give that person a Bible. Yeah. Wow. Hallelujah. And yeah. And so, so I just wanna say it is a lie from the enemy that would tell us that we are too busy to do the work of the Lord, because I have believed that also. Yes. Amen. Yeah. Amen. He will, the Lord will supernaturally provide space and time for you to talk to those who are ripe for the harvest. And so that is what my prayer has, has, has become, because I used to try to pray for as many people as would let me pray. And that's not, that's not wrong. Mm-hmm. At all. And, and there's some excitement in, Lord, I just wanna see you move. Like I, I just wanna pray for anybody who will allow me to pray for them. But but there is some, some tension there when, you know you've got 20 patients or even 30 on the schedule. You can't pray for every single person. So, Lord, send me to who? Send me to who's ripe. Yes. Heart for you. Yeah, that's a great prayer. We talked about this in my mentorship group just a few weeks ago because I have a bunch of family, a couple family phy physicians, right? And they are outpatients, so they are this clockwork I cannot even imagine. And I think it is true, these holy interruptions. And I love the, the kind of very practical, tangible examples. Number one, you can pray it doesn't have to take long. Do a consent, not a written consent, but ask for their agreement. And I would say my personal experience and have some friends in back in Boston that have done some research on spirituality and, and end of life care, a lot of it, but patients are very receptive. It's rare. I have heard this over and over again from people that are really studying this. It is weird that a patient will say no. So I wanna just encourage anybody out there like don't be afraid of that. Ask them. If they say no, you can pray for them by yourself. And the other trick I learned from somebody I picked this up on, on another show somewhere a few months back, but I liked this concept of well be led by the Holy Spirit, of course, but it can be helpful to tag it on at the end of the visit when the, the formal medical stuff is sort of done, that you don't feel like number one, or you still have left some open pieces here for writing prescriptions and all those kind of things. But rather that this is now sort of a separate thing. You're gonna take a doctor hat off for a minute and you're gonna put your your, your Jesus hat on for a second. I was looking for the right word, but and I, again, I think it's all about the, the tangible love of being the hands and feet of Jesus and the people that. He put in your life, like with these examples you shared, right? You said, let me be, let me pray for anybody. Well, that builds stamina, right? That builds, that builds some endurance that lets you learn from the Holy Spirit. Oh, okay, I, I did a kind of a, a free for all and now I'm really tuning in what the Holy Spirit is actually saying, more in a fine tooth level. So I love that concept of, okay, Lord, let me lead lead me to the people that are ready and. From just this example, he leads to people that are not just ready but that, that are at that point where are, where they're not ready just for getting some prayer or some healing, but they're actually ready to hear the gospel. And I've heard this from so many evangelists, like it's amazing when you hear that people often in hindsight say, you know, I was actually praying they didn't believe, but I was praying, God, if you are real, show that to me today. Those kind of things. And what if we are not answering the call and sitting on our lazy bums or I would say for the most part it's not the lazy bum. I think we are intimidated. Yes. I'm actually curious if you can speak to that unless you wanted to go somewhere else. What would you say to the person listening say, well, I'm still scared. I'm afraid of retaliation. I'm afraid people say no. We kind of address that a little bit, but what would you say to the person who was like, this sounds all great, but I'm not that kind of person. I'm afraid. I, I would say I've been there. I completely, I've been there. You know, the Lord says that we, we will endure persecution. It's, it's, it's a fact. And, and I actually sometimes use that as a gauge that I'm doing the right thing because the other, it's, and it's a perspective change, right. Even Paul, with as much suffering as he endured, still said the Lord delivers me from all of it. Yes. And there is no amount of persecution that will stop the work of the Lord. There's just none. There's no amount of persecution that will stop the work of the Lord. And so you have to get a, you have to get to a place where you are un offendable. Yeah. Understand that no matter what somebody says about you or says to your face, or tries to do to you that they are not, they don't know what they're doing. And they don't understand because when you're not of the spirit, you don't understand things of the spirit. It's done out of ignorance. They don't understand that they are coming up against the Lord. And, and there's no reason that we should fear them. The Jesus says, don't, don't fear anybody. Fear only the one who can send your soul to hell. Right. Yeah. Fear. Fear the fear of the Lord. Yeah. And we have no reason to fear. I, I can tell you there have been just in complete honesty, there have been, one one specific instance locally where the Lord stepped in and if it had not been for the Lord I probably would've, would've gotten physically attacked. So, so, so some of that, some of that is real. And when I've been out on evangelism trips you know, I've been followed and, and that sort of thing. But, but all of that compares, all of that stuff. None of that compares to the glory of God. Yeah. None of it, none of it compares to the glory of God. And so is as far as,'cause really what you're, really, what we're getting at as physicians is you know, is our career in jeopardy anytime we, anytime we step out in faith. And there is, there is some truth to that, right. But. It doesn't matter. I I just wanna simply say it, it doesn't matter. The Lord is our provider no matter what, independent of any career, independent of any, any income that we could possibly make. Independent of any reputation Yeah. That we would have. And none of it matters. The Lord protects me no matter what, and he has protected me and provided for me in supernatural ways. I have not had to date I have not had a single thing. I have not wanted for a single thing. And that's, and that's it. You have to get over that fear is from the devil. Yes. Yeah. We, we are not, we are supposed to be walking in power as the Acts two church did. That the first Century Church did. The Lord expected his disciples to be moving in the power of the Holy Spirit. And that was a fear that I had to, that I had to crucify and say, devil get away from me. The Lord is not going to remove me from a position that he has placed me in for a purpose no matter what anybody tries to say or do. And if that, and if that were to happen then, then the Lord has another plan. And what the devil means for destruction. The Lord will always, and I just wanna say this, to encourage somebody, no matter what. It looks like in the natural, whatever the devil means for destruction, even if it means people are whispering lies about you, the Lord will vindicate you. And he will work it out for your good. He works out everything in Romans 8 28. Right? Everything for the, out for the good of those who love him. Even what Satan means for destruction, there is no reason to fear any of that. And I'm, I'm saying from personal experience because I have let that cripple me in the past to the point that I have actually disobeyed the Holy Spirit when he has told me explicitly go pray for that person. And I've, I've said no, it's too risky for me to go pray for that specific person at this particular time. Yes. Yeah. Thank you for being so transparent and sharing that because I, I know, I mean, for myself, having talked to other physicians that goes through people's head, and I understand why that is, but I think you're absolutely right that we, we have to go get over that. And the Lord has placed us in these positions and. We might be the only person, and that's true for any profession, but there is something very intimate about the medical profession because there's this vulnerability, and I'm, I'm not, I'm trying to clarify so people don't get the long idea, wrong idea. We are not preying on the vulnerability, but we are treasuring this vulnerability and say, that is a place where we can still have compassionate care. And I'm almost getting now on a whole, another rabbit hole here because I think that is something we, we maybe can talk about another time about when, when people worry about our jobs being replaced by AI and all those kind of things, that compassionate face-to-face interaction I think has become increasingly more important and will because slowly healthcare has transitioned to a. A faceless machinery. It's so important and I'm so glad that you said that because there is, as far as the scope of each of us in medicine, it is completely within the purview of every, the scope of every physician to address spiritual health. Absolutely. It is. It is 100% part of healthcare. Yeah. And when I have when I have had people ask me, why is it so important to you that you pray with patients? That is why I tell them it's because we have studies that show that prayer is powerful and that it is effective. And, and that is part of medicine is, is addressing spiritual health in every. Specialty. Yes. And our patients actually very clearly signal it is important to them. Whatever spectrum they are in their faith journey doesn't mean even whether they're questions or not. They tell us spirituality is important. And because we, as the church is the body of Christ, and especially as believers in the medical field and the healthcare field have been chickening out. Guess who moved in the new agey people. Right? You can get your reiki and your yoga and your transcendent meditation and all sorts of other garbage that will be of detriment to your spiritual health and ultimately to your soul. Those people moved in. I think we should have an no. Another discussion about that. I get really passionate about that. Yeah. I, I think we're gonna have to have an entirely different podcast on Yes. On this one. I would, I would love that. Can I just tell one, one quick story? Yes. You mentioned something about,'cause we sort of talked about this a couple of times, which is if you don't see anything happen immediately, don't take that as evidence that nothing is happening. Yes. And, and so this is a very simple illustration of that. I had a particular patient who had a a shoulder injury that you know, we, we got done with the visit. I'm, I'm glad that you mentioned that because the time period, which I used to pray for people is at the, at the end of a visit when we're done with everything else. And I prayed for this, for this person, nothing happened. We tested it. I often will have people test things out. Mm-hmm. You know, move, can you do something that you couldn't do before? And, nothing happened. And so I said, thank you. I appreciate you. Thanks for letting me pray for you. And went about my shift. And I ended up seeing that individual later who came back for an entirely different reason. And that person got to tell me, I just wanted to let you know that later when I got home, The pain was gone. And now I was, was able to move my arm in all directions. Whereas before I couldn't lift it up here. And so, and so we got to have a whole conversation about the power of Jesus because there was nothing that I did or, or prescribed. Yeah. There was no other explanation. Because the nature of the injury that, you know, that could have explained that it was just the power of God. And one, one other thing I was thinking about while you were talking that it doesn't, that it doesn't matter. This is a story that the Holy Spirit just brought to my attention that it doesn't matter where you are at in your faith journey or how long you have been a believer. Or your you know, your, your background in Christianity, how long you've, or you, it doesn't matter if you grew up in it or not. This is for all believers. It says at the end of Mark, these signs and wonders will follow all believers. It doesn't matter if you're a pastor, it doesn't matter if you are hold the office of an apostle if you are an evangelist. It doesn't matter if you have a PhD in theology or if you have been a Christian your entire life. This is the rite of all believers. So my mother. And this is to illustrate this, my mother had an infection around her eye. I believe it was her right eye. She'll probably correct me if she sees this later, if it's the wrong eye. This has been probably two years ago. So some of the details are a little bit the details about the actual condition, I don't remember, but she had an infect, an infection up at the top of her eyelid and had been to you know, specialty care could not get this resolved. I had prayed for her two or three times and we saw a little bit of improvement and then it would come back. Would be easy to, to think what's happening. Is it not the will of the Lord for this to be healed? Yes, it is. But he had a better plan in mind. She was praying over it and the Lord told her, you need to go have your granddaughter pray for this. So here she goes out in faith. She goes to my sister's house. My niece at the time would've been probably seven, and she goes to my niece and says the Lord has brought me here to have you pray for this. Would you mind to pray for my eye? Because now she's at the point, she's looking at surgery to have this drained and have it resolved. And you know, looking at a complicated treatment course over the next few weeks. And my niece said, well, yeah, Emma, I can do that, but I don't know how. And mom said, honey, don't worry about what you say. Just pray what the Lord tells you to. And so here my little niece just puts her sweet little hands over my mother's eyes and she says, be healed in Jesus' name. Just a, you know, a 32nd little prayer. And she said, ma'am, your eyes gonna be okay. And she just runs off and goes to play. That was it. So the next day, without any change in treatment, nothing medicine wise that can explain this. The next day my mother woke up and her eye was at least 50% bitter. Wow. The next week she saw this gradual improvement to complete healing and never did she, you know, she went back for follow up to, to confirm that there was, that it was done, there was no other treatment needed. But even confirmed by the specialist that she was seeing at the time that it was completely healed. Praise Lord. Amazing. Amazing. I love that example. And I had to chuckle a little bit just this past weekend. When, was it Friday or Saturday? No, Friday night. I was in a frenzy trying to, you know, in the kitchen trying to get dinner ready way too late because I was probably busy doing other things and I burned myself really badly on my left hand. So you can. See just a tiny little red streak there now, but it was pretty badly burned. I was, I was actually quite hurt. I, I almost like, should I do something else? I mean, put ice on there. And my husband prayed and I prayed and I was like, wow, this hurts really bad. It's like burning hell. Like if hell is like this bad, I don't wanna go there. Praise the Lord, I won't. But thank you, Jesus. But you know, I, I still, I mean, I prayed and I was like, okay, it's, it's just a burnt hand, right? I didn't put too much more worry into it. I just trusted okay, it will, you know, avail, eventually heal. I did have ice on my hands still in the evening because it just, anytime I would take it off, it was bad. So I went to sleep and went to bed and my son comes in, he's now 13 and he comes back to pray for. Which he, that's a real thing. And he took my hand and he prayed for it. I don't exactly, it was very simple what he said. But the next day, like I went to sleep, I didn't have any more pain, and the next day my hand was almost completely, totally fine. And I was like, I expected like big blister, like, it, it was a pretty significant burn. But hallelujah. So praise, encouragement to everybody listening. Like start with the ABCs and even if it's just an innocent little prayer, like in Jesus' name, be healed. Don't overthink it. Try it out. And I think the other thing you said really important and we, we could go on and on, I'm so excited, but I know we gotta wrap up. But I think the other thing I wanna encourage everybody Alyssa pointed this out. You, you mentioned this so many times, really listen to the Holy Spirit. And I know there will be people on here that say, I don't know how to hear the voice of God, another life from the enemy. I would really and we're gonna pray for you guys as well listening, but I just want to say. Do not believe the lie of the enemy, that you cannot hear the voice of God. That's probably a whole nother conversation we can have. But I just want you to know that we as believers have been given the Holy Spirit and it's often a small, ever so gentle little whisper that might just sound like a voice in your head, but our voice in our head would typically in the medical profession not say go pray for this patient. Right? This the guiding of the Holy Spirit. So I wanna encourage all of you really pray and then start to listen. And it might be very ridiculous simple instructions that the Lord is giving you, but listen to those. And the other funny example, I'm gonna close with this and maybe then Alyssa, you can pray for us and everybody that's listening, to what you said, things don't always immediately happen. Right. So analogous to what you described, and I love the eye infection because it is an ID kind of example. Like we would dare to te say to a patient that says, after a day, let's say you give a kid antibiotics for their ear infection and they still have a, an ear that hurts or cellulitis that's still there, you would dare to say. Stop taking the antibiotics because your sinusitis isn't healed in 45 minutes. Right. Or even a day you would say, give it a few days, we would actually slap them on the head and say, Uhhuh, no, you better not stop those antibiotics. But how are we doing that in a spirit or realm, right. With prayer. So it takes time, even when we don't see things working in the natural, we know in the natural, typically the antibiotics eventually work, right? For the most part, unless there's a resistance. And so in the same way it is in the spirit, it works. We might just not see it immediately because we don't have, we don't have that like radiographic vision. We, we cannot see the molecular details yet, but things are happening. I love that. That's such a good example. All right. Well, Alyssa, is there anything else you wanted to share that you feel like, sort of as a final word of encouragement to make sure that listeners walk away with before we pray? I think we're gonna have to do a second podcast. This is the first thing I wanna say. Yeah. This was way too much fun. Fun. Yeah. And the and really the word of encouragement is you, you just have to take a step out in faith. Yeah. And that obedience to the Lord means so much more. Be honest with him about how you feel. If it's a lack of faith or fear or anxiety or whatever it may be, be honest with him about that and ask him to show you how to move forward. And then and I wanna say this too, that in the kingdom of God, he has no respecter of persons. Mm-hmm. The best ability is availability. Oh, I love that. And I did not come up, I did not come up with that, that that was taught to me. But it's the truth. The best avail, the best ability is availability. Yes. Obedience and Yes. Yes. Amen. That's awesome. These are wonderful words of wisdom in the end. This was amazing. I hope you guys all enjoyed it as well. We should do this again. There's so much more to talk about. And yeah, if you like that subscribe and share the show. And oh, Alyssa, you have a podcast you just started. Why don't you share about that so others can find you other ways to, to find out about you and what you do. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, so this is a podcast that the Lord told us to do and, and really is to share some of these stories and also, share what we have learned and some personal testimony. So we delve a little bit more into detail about some of these you know, theology of Healing. And some example. And we're gonna be talking a lot of interesting, there's gonna be a lot of upcoming topics that the Lord has specifically, specifically given us to address. So you can find that on my Facebook page or my Instagram. It's just Alyssa Hinkle. It's nothing complicated. I'm friends with you on Facebook, so if somebody wants to go to your page and find me, that'd probably be the easiest way to do it. And the podcast is called What's Guess it's called The Disciples. I love it. I'm not, I'm not one for fancy titles. And really it's, IM, and I'll tell you why it's so important for me when people listen to these testimonies to understand that this is available for every single believer of Christ. Yes. And so to be called a disciple of Jesus to me is the. Is the most important title that I could ever have. Oh, yeah. Above anything else. To be loved by God and to be called His disciple really is the goal. And so that's what that, that's where the name originated from, you know, it is called The Disciples. And you can find it on you know, I can send you the link if you wanna, I give it to anybody who may respond with interest, but you can find it on Spotify, YouTube, and apple now. Alright, awesome. So the Disciples podcast, check it out and I'm gonna put the link in the show notes as well so people can find that podcast and listen to some of those testimonies for encouragement. I think I will be awesome. Alright, do you wanna pray us out and just pray over the listeners and Yeah, it'd be my pleasure. So, Jesus, holy Spirit, father, we thank you for this opportunity to come together and have this conversation, Lord, that really our desir is for you and you alone and to glorify your name. Jesus. And I thank you Lord, that these works that you do have actually nothing to do with our effort. It's not anything we can earn. Jesus, I thank you that it has it, it has everything, and only to do with your goodness and the finished work that you have done on the cross. And it is a free gift, the gift of healing. Lord, I pray for every single person now that is gonna be listening to this and watching this, that you would open their eyes to the scripture and open their eyes to the spirit realm. And I pray, holy Spirit, that you go right now in every single room, car, office, wherever anybody is watching this, that you fill that space with your presence and confirm the words that you have spoken here today. And I pray that that person, those people are gonna start moving in the prophetic hearing your voice clearly, and that they are gonna be moved to take a step out of faith. And that signs, miracles and wonders are gonna start happening because they follow the believers of Christ. Yeah. Amen. Amen. Awesome. Thank you so much, Alyssa. You have a blessed day and we shall do this again. Thanks. Thank you. Bye Bye.