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Exploring the Dark Tapestry of Ed Gein, Unsolved Mysteries, and Halloween Haunts
Christi Chanelle and Phoebe James are teaming up with the brilliantly insightful Sam Mclain to unravel the sinister legacy of Ed Gein, whose bone-chilling crimes have haunted the horror genre for decades. Prepare to be captivated as Sam shares her deep understanding of Gein’s nightmarish acts, from his gruesome household artifacts to his unsettling obsession with human anatomy. We also tackle misconceptions about his alleged cannibalism and explore how Gein's dark psyche inspired horror classics like "Silence of the Lambs" and "Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
The ghastly tale doesn’t stop with Ed Gein. Our episode ventures into the eerie underworld of unresolved mysteries, turning the spotlight on the perplexing deaths in Joplin, Missouri. We connect the dots between historical cold cases and the tantalizing conspiracy theories swirling around celebrity deaths, including the mysterious passing of Kim Porter. All these dark tales unfold amidst the spooky backdrop of Halloween, making our storytelling as thrilling as a haunted hayride.
To lighten the mood, we sprinkle in some Election Day antics, offering a humorous spin on voting traditions while navigating some tech hiccups with a dose of candor. There’s something for everyone as we share our Halloween plans, from trick-or-treating adventures to managing the festivities with pets and teenagers. Join us for a blend of true crime, conspiracy, and holiday spirit that promises to keep you on the edge of your seat!
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Speaker 1:YouTube yeah, we are. Oh my God, look, hold on, okay, it worked, let me see. Look, hold on, okay it worked. Let me see if we're live on the other one.
Speaker 3:Oh wait, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I see us on YouTube. Simply Vibin' is now under a new name and a new podcast, and Phoebe and I are back and we cannot wait to get started. I am live streaming on my Love you, miss you Bye YouTube channel, because I couldn't set up two and I knew that I could probably do it on this one. So I'm Christy Chanel, as you know, on my podcast, and I'm here with Phoebe. She's the clown, the scary clown, and Sam, who's our guest today.
Speaker 1:Yeah and Sam today, and we are going to do a little Halloween special. This isn't what we normally look like, so I figured we would do something in celebration for tomorrow. This will then be streamed on the Simply Vibin podcast tomorrow so you can check it out there if you can't catch the live. Okay, so today we're going to talk about true crime, which is something that I just kind of started getting into, and on Phoebe and my show we're going to mostly talk about hot topics. I think next week we're going to get into Diddy and that whole drama and the whole web of deception.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm getting into it right now and listening to a lot of stuff, but today, today is all about true crime. So, sam, welcome, hi. I brought in Sam because I don't know if anybody can tell a story like she can. She has been on our show before, we have loved her and she is just so good at what she does. Besides being a huge dog lover and advocate, she is a true crime lover. So, what story are you going to tell everybody today?
Speaker 3:I have brought a classic. It is Mr Ed Gein, the inspo for all of our favorite horror movies from, you know, buffalo Bill, from Silence of the Lambs, psycho, texas Chainsaw Massacre, and I think, and I'm going to say this, I think he gets a bad rap because, yes, he did some of the more I know, I know he did some of the more heinous things in the uh, kind of OG, big hitter, true crime world, uh, but he's kind of misunderstood. He comes from a really horrible background and had a really hard life and was mentally ill and back then it was kind of harder to navigate that um. So yeah, he, he kind of was bred into this perfect killer, that it kind of came from unfortunate circumstances and if he'd kind of had some different circumstances, I don't think a lot of this could have turned out this way Really. Yeah, I really do. I have a lot of pages and notes, but yeah, I've got some early stuff, we've got, you know, just some facts and stuff, but I've got a whole timeline we can go through.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, well, let's say tell us what exactly he did and then take us back to, like, his childhood. So Ed Gein is known as the serial killer that turned people into furniture after he murdered him. Yeah, he's the one I actually. I have an entire list. We'll get to it a little bit later, but I have a full list of all of his, everything that was found in his house after he was captured. So it's like a receipt of everything he created, and I don't recommend going and looking up the pictures, but if you're into that kind of thing, they are fascinating and there's probably everybody's like oh, I know Ed Gein, everybody knows that story. There's plenty of people who who don't, and it is, it's, it's very sick, it's very, uh, disturbing, but it's also super, super interesting, I think I've seen these pictures, probably somewhere down the line I think I have.
Speaker 1:His house was messy and stuff right.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it was like a real horror situation, but I I'm sure people have seen the gloves, the human skin gloves that he made. Yeah, just to kind of get into a little bit of it, there was the human skin gloves, there was a wastebasket made of human skin, and my personal favorite is the human nipple belt that he made oh, I hadn't heard that Out of human nipples. He had a memory vest, too that he would put on. Oh my god, yeah, it's an intense shit. And again, though, when you kind of go through His childhood and everything, even later adulthood, because he was kind of home with mom and dad until mom and dad both died Very, you know, short together, but yeah, you kind of see where a lot of this comes from as you kind of tour through that.
Speaker 1:So it's really interesting. Ok, so as I learn more about this live thing, I'll probably be able to figure out a way to show pictures, because I know that some lives can do that. Phoebe has disappeared.
Speaker 2:It's necessary. I'm still here, can you?
Speaker 1:hear me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can, so go ahead and continue, though. Ok, so they found all of these things in his home.
Speaker 3:They did it was. It was he actually only he killed two people, but it is, and so he's got one of the lower body counts. Really, what makes his crime so heinous is everything that he created with it, but he only killed two people, and it was kind of some just people in in his close vicinity. Really, all of these people were in his very close vicinity. It was a very small town in Wisconsin called Plainsfield, so he possibly killed three people, though, because it's very, very likely that he killed his own brother. You back, phoebe, you look better too.
Speaker 1:It's more clear Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, go ahead, keep going. I know I had never heard the story. Actually, sam, I know you said most people had.
Speaker 1:I haven't heard the story, I just feel like I've seen pictures of a chair or something.
Speaker 3:It's like if you go on to like a like oh, top 10's craziest freaking pictures, like he ends up in a lot of those.
Speaker 2:I'm sure.
Speaker 3:But yeah, it's just an interesting story so I'm just going to go into it. He was born in August of 1906 to Augusta and George Gein. His parents were really his dad. His dad was kind of just a piece of shit that really just drank all the time Like, didn't really have much else to do with his children, his wife, anything, uh, so we don't really have to cover him too much. Uh, he died later from drinking himself to death and that's about the summation of his story.
Speaker 3:The real fascinating person in his life was his mother. Uh, she was super duper, like christian, like violently freaking christ, like when preaching anybody that she freaking came across and she hated other women. That was her whole thing to both of her sons because there was his brother, henry Gein, as well. But yeah, it was that if any woman that you come across is trying to get you to commit sin, her favorite thing to quote it then was Proverbs 5.3, for the lips of a strange woman drip honey and her mouth is smoother than oil, she would just throw Bible verses at him all the freaking time. And she wanted a girl because she wanted somebody to kind of impress these views upon and to kind of create. It seemed to be another, like little her. So she had Henry first. He was born in January 1902. And then four years later she had Ed, then in 1906. So she wanted the girl so bad.
Speaker 3:So after having Ed and being disappointed with another son, she would sometimes even dress Ed up as like a little girl and yeah, and he loved her. But at the same time it came to be found out later that he was mentally ill and schizophrenic. So he had this deep-seated love for her because it's kind of all he ever knew was her and his dad. They, they moved out to this, um, to this like farmland in this great sandy, shitty desert in Wisconsin and they would have moved to the house where he would eventually kind of do all of his killings.
Speaker 3:But yeah, she was just so horrible to him but was just like, the only person that's ever going to love you is me. The only woman you're ever going to be safe with is me. So, yeah, if she wasn't ever, if he was not by her side, she always told him you know, eventually every woman is going to, you know, put you into sin's way at some point. Um, she so to keep her boys away from women, she encouraged the boys, and I know it's. It's not known for sure if she taught him how, but she really encouraged him to masturbate a lot. So it kind of yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:Look at Phoebe's face.
Speaker 3:I know it's going to be a lot of that she is. This was a lesser sin to her than laying with a woman. So to her that was just kind of a way to get those feelings out, and she would sit them both down every night and read the Bible. Stop it. I'm like sitting in the rocking chair, the boys sitting on the ground, and I say boys, but they were like 34, 38 years old. They're in like their mid 30s and still living at home. Eight years old, they're in like their mid-thirties and, and yeah, still living at home.
Speaker 3:Um, so they, they go through this whole horrible childhood and the dad finally drinks himself to death, thank god, but useless, go on. And so ed, he kind of had to take over for his dad, so he took on a lot of odd jobs throughout the community and he was actually at the time pretty well liked. He was kind of just the neighborhood odd guy, you know, just no kids, no wife, but they would have people babysit, you know he, he babysat and and looked after a lot of the kids in the community, never, never, did anything creepy. He was just kind of, I think, maybe more child-minded and he seemed to connect better with these kids and they all liked him. They liked him very well I'm hearing a blowback.
Speaker 1:Who is whose, is it? Is that me? I'm hearing, like after you talk. I hear an echo somewhere. Does everybody have have in headphones? Yeah?
Speaker 3:I've got headphones.
Speaker 1:I have headphones. Okay, then, I guess we're good, so ahead Sorry. No, no, no, you're good I stopped your flow but I want to make sure we can do this on the podcast streaming apps too, so go ahead.
Speaker 3:No, absolutely. So I mentioned his brother. So we're, you know, just brothers. They got along pretty well.
Speaker 3:The only thing that they kind of disagreed on was the mom, Augusta herself, and Henry felt that Ed kind of relied on her a little bit too much and kind of after the dad died he kind of got this realization of like this is all pretty fucked up, I need to get away from this. And so he, you know, was kind of trying to do his own thing, and that's the one thing that they kind of debated on. So he was a firefighter or you know, he helped with runaway fires. That he was not a firefighter but he assisted with helping fight fires. So three years after his dad passed, they're helping fight this fire. And so Henry Gein goes missing. And so Ed comes back after you know all the turmoil from the fire and everybody's like, hey, where's your brother, Henry, Because you were both out there, you know, fighting the fire. And Ed's like, oh well, he got burnt up in the fire. And so they're like, oh OK, well, you know, we need to go try to find his body to get him to come back. So Ed was able to take them directly to where his body was like, just led him straight to it, not burned, not a scratch on it. So he did not die, maybe from smoke inhalation, but he did not get burned up.
Speaker 3:But it's very plausible that Ed killed him because of his distaste for Augusta. So now he's down a brother, he's down a dad, he's stuck just with this woman. So not too long after Henry died, Augusta had a stroke. So now she, you know, is down. She survives the first stroke. But not too long after that there was a incident where they were going to buy some straw from a farmer and so when they get to this farmer's house he's having an argument with his mistress mistress in the driveway, and so this gets augustus so worked up and she's just throwing hateful christian shit at him and just has another stroke and it kills her. What the hell? Yeah, she ranted and raved about it for a week and then just dropped this because she would not let it go so she just stressed herself out and now, don't ever die over a man like that.
Speaker 3:I mean seriously it wasn't even her man, it was somebody else's man that was cheating with a wife. They had nothing to do with her. Nothing to do with her.
Speaker 1:Nope not at all that is insane.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's just and this is all before we even get to him having killed anybody, is that?
Speaker 1:empathic though you know how you empaths can feel a lot of emotion and energy I can't imagine ever feeling that much.
Speaker 3:I think she was just a self-righteous okay, that works, that works. I think she was just so dead set in what she believed and that's fine to believe, that that's cool. But yeah, I it killed her eventually. Um, but Ed was just freaking distraught about it. It was just, you know, the whole funeral and he couldn't even talk about her afterward without kind of you know, just crying. He was a very sensitive guy, cried a lot. Everybody kind of called him a sissy. He wasn't into hunting or anything. Then you know, up in wisconsin that's what they'd be doing, um, so yeah, he was well liked by the community but bullied a little bit for kind of being a big wuss and being a big baby.
Speaker 3:He did have a girlfriend for a little bit, very, very short period of time, miss Adeline Watkins. She was described by the community as very plain, so you know, not too bad, but issue with her was that she hated her own mother. So very quickly Ed cut it off with her and then just kind of just didn't ever get with women again.
Speaker 1:Well, he not pursued them, he fawned over a couple, but we'll see where that goes, so wait so so the one with his ex-girlfriend he did it say why they broke up, or was he just because she hated her mom? Okay, he couldn't handle that, so she hated her mother.
Speaker 3:He just could not wrap his mind around that. That was just too much, couldn't have that. So he broke up with her and she got off, sense. Yep, she got off pretty, pretty easy. Um, and you?
Speaker 1:know the good luck. I mean I'm so glad she didn't like her mother in this situation no joke, and he very much.
Speaker 3:It was kind of found out later he kind of wanted to be a woman and it's it's debated on. If that's how he was raised, it's debated enough. That was just kind of how he felt. I mean, you can see kind of some nature versus nurture in there, but he very much wanted to be a woman. A lot of his work and why most of his, um, not canvases, but most of the women that he collected for his purposes were women, because he was kind of much like a buffalo bill kind of building his own lady skin sooth, um. So he's already very mentally ill, severely abused, and his desire to be a woman kind of all manifested itself into him wanting to create this woman's suit. It's like Silence of the Lambs, yeah, very much.
Speaker 1:That's why it's exactly what that was inspired from, and he was very feminine and you know, yeah, and he in the movie, though he's actually according to Hannibal Lecter.
Speaker 3:He's not a true transvestite. Huh, really yeah, because that he's actually according to Hannibal.
Speaker 1:Lecter, he's not a true transvestite.
Speaker 3:Oh really yeah because that's like one of the key points to that movie. It's like he thinks he is but he's actually not, and I don't remember exactly what the reasoning was. I should have seen the movie a million times, but that's one of the lines from Hannibal in the movie Do you think that they based the character on yeah, Buffalo Bill.
Speaker 3:Buffalo Bill. The woman's skin suit is based from that Psycho, the kind of relationship in that movie that he has with his mom. That's based on Ed Gein, Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Ed Gein did a lot of masks, he created a lot of masks, Some were for wearing, some were for displaying, and Texas Chainsaw Massacre took that so kind of the modern cinema, like of horror. Who knows where it would be without mr adekine he inspired quite quite a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3:There's even kind of some speculation of, like, um, freddie the 13th jason, like if that's also because kind of his thing with his mom, um, true, yeah, he actually was not a cannibal. It is uh kind of speculated that he was a cannibal. That that's actually not true according to him, and they were not able to ever find any kind of speculated that he was a cannibal. That that's actually not true according to him, and they were not able to ever find any evidence of it. Um, but that was kind of just it came to be because when they did find they went and searched his house after his second uh kill. That he very quickly got busted for um they found a heart in a bag near his stove.
Speaker 3:So it was just kind of like, oh, he's gonna eat it, and when? Like no, and he admitted to most of it and it just kind of would just tell, once he got caught he's like, yeah, I'll tell you everything. And he laid out pretty much everything, but he was staunch on that. He did not eat any any of the people. So I mean, what does he got to lie about?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean at that point, at that point, at that point I don't really know if the like mental capacity kind of to lie about that because, he really didn't have kind of the concept truly, but he, he was found clinically insane and they literally were like, no, he, he cannot differentiate right and wrong. He understands that what he did was wrong, but he does not see it as it having been wrong, which is kind of like I'm like, oh you, you know, be born just a little bit later and you know you might have been sick but you might not have turned to killing people.
Speaker 3:You know, what I mean, and dressing women like deer in your basement and just a lot of stuff. So we're going to actually get into some of the creepy stuff. So his first kill was Miss Mary Hogan. She was the owner of a local bar, super drunk, super foul mouth, super the opposite of his mom, which kind of is what is presumed is what kind of drew him to her. Her it's that you know, he was torn between his love for his mom and this sinful woman who, in appearance, very buxom, very big, Because that was another thing about Augusta, she was a big old refrigerator gal and you know, I think that's what he kept looking for in these women. Again, kind of another inspiration in Buffalo Bill. So on December 8th of 1954, he took a .32 caliber bullet to her head while she was closing shop and took her out Out of nowhere.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just kind of went into the shop one day and there was some things too that he supposedly was like hearing his mom in his head when he would walk through the forest he would see like faces in the leaves and they're like huh, like laughing at him.
Speaker 3:So there's, there's a little bit of hallucination going on. So that was kind of one of the things that supposes, like his mom was the one like kind of helping him pick his victims, as it were, because he well, I'm going to get into the grave robbing stuff here in a second. And there was a lot of times where he would bail out of it because he would like kind of come out of his days and like come out of the the trance kind of that he would be in. And he, uh, he was just like, oh my god, what am I doing? And it's like those little moments of clarity and he would, you know, go back and not rob the grave. But there was quite a few graves robbed because just these two women did not make all of the uh things that he wound up making.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah there's so much stuff, um. So around the same time he shot her, there was four other people unrelated that went missing in the area, and so they were just like oh she, she just went missing, and they never figured it out. Apparently, the police in this area sucked because they were like well, four people went missing, oh well what year are we in?
Speaker 3:We are in 1954. Ok now, and so he would even make jokes about her being gone. So when people would ask him like oh, you know, if you'd taken her home and had your cookie, a meal, maybe she wouldn't have gone missing, and he would make jokes like ah, she's in, she's in my kitchen now making something for me, yeah, and just kind of those little dark jokes and now his.
Speaker 3:Her head was found in a paper bag in his kitchen three years later. That was one of the artifacts that they found whenever they went in paper, not even plastic. No, and you know the second girl. He put her head in burlap sink, so that was a little bit better. But yeah, this one was just paper bag, just phoebe's face I'm thinking of the smell.
Speaker 1:I just keep thinking I know that's what I'm saying. It wasn't even plastic a leakage?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, I'm just like it's soaked and well there was there was a time, after he um, after all his family had died, there was a young couple in town and they he was like I, I, they kind of like okay, this may have been another moment of clarity for him. He just needed to get away from this hell house. And so he's like oh yeah, I'll trade houses with you. My house is bigger, I can move into y'all smaller house. And so they came out to view the property because this is just, it's just neighborly ed, it's not a big deal. So they go in this house and everybody who went to the house was like there's a fucked up smell in this house because there's no ac, there's no electricity, there's nothing.
Speaker 3:So it's just this cabin full of of dead bodies. And maybe not at that point, because I don't know if during when he was like touring this house with them, if he had gotten into the grave robbing yet, which even worse. Um, but yeah, that he tried to trade houses with them and he's like I'll get around to cleaning it eventually. But obviously they were like no, no, no, thanks, we, we don't want to, we don't want to have your house. It smells like shit, hell, no.
Speaker 3:So in between those two he starts getting into grave robbing, because he only killed two people, possibly three, but his brothers did not get you. His brother did not get used to any of his items. He would keep an eye out on the obituaries for women in the town and to like fit the specifications of whatever he was working on, and the day after the funeral he would go dig up the grave and steal the corpse. So over about five years he robbed as many as nine graves, and there could be more. There absolutely could be more, but that is how many. They were able to kind of confirm. They were all newly dead, middle-aged women, a few of which he knew personally.
Speaker 3:So when robbing the graves. He would kind of describe it as being in a daze. Sometimes he would even snap out of it, rebury the coffin, go home. Other times he would only take what he needed for his projects and then return the women to their graves because he felt that that was more respectful. So he didn't want to deprive them of being buried. So he just took what he needed and put it back because that was a nice thing to do very sweet yeah you can see the, the mindset is um, twisted, it's twisted, but it's there.
Speaker 3:You know he's trying, and so on, on certain nights during the full moon. Uh, one of the things he created was a mammary vest and it is. It's some mammary yep, like, like boobies, yep. Okay, so he would put it on, and he had also made a human skin drum and he had a jawbone, a human jawbone that he would use as drumstick and he would go dance in the moonlight on his property and bang his drum, and this is per him, but they found the drum.
Speaker 1:That's almost like Matthew McConaughey when he did that thing and he was naked. I'm telling you there's so much to this moonlight thing and playing an instrument.
Speaker 3:It's all there it is. So yeah, he did quite a bit of grave robbing and once I get into the list of everything you'll kind of see the scope of everything that he took and kind of created with it. His second kill was in. The one that got him caught was Bernice Worden. So this was we've gone into 1957. So really not too much longer. After it's, about three years later, same kind of thing big, full-figured woman with a very quick wit, sharp tongue, so immediately fosters a super intense attraction to her.
Speaker 1:She so sorry to interject.
Speaker 3:No, um, so uh, he's attracted to the big women because it makes more skin, probably it's that and they remind him of his mom, because she was the exact same way, and so he had this deep-seated kind of resentment for her, but also this super deep-seated obsession and love with her. Uh, just because of the the kind of their odd relationship that they had worried. She was like I'm the only person, I'm the only woman that's ever going to genuinely love you. Every other woman is going to abuse you, use you, so that's why he's killing them.
Speaker 3:Yep, and same thing. She stole her husband from another woman and that woman committed suicide. The woman that Bernice stole Excuse me Stole the husband from and so kind of paired with his Attraction to her, as well as this super big sin that she committed, that is how she became his next target. Um, so november 16th, at least back then, was the beginning of deer season in wisconsin. So he went to. He'd kind of done some reconnaissance and had been talking to her son who also worked, worked with her and was like oh, you know, big deer season coming up, are you going to go out on the 16th? And he's like, oh yeah. Her son was like, oh yeah, frank Warden, I'm going to go out, I've got to go, you know, bag some deer. And he's like so is your mom just coming? And she said, well, somebody's store early in the morning confirms Sun's not going to be there, he leaves, and that she's going to be there by herself. He walks in, buys some antifreeze and leaves. So it's kind of debated on if he had a change of heart, if he just forgot. So he comes back a few minutes later and is like hey, I want to look at some rifles, I'm thinking about trading mine in. So she hands him this rifle from the gun case and she just happens to turn around and look out this window and she's looking at a car and um, so as soon as she turns around he has a 22 bullet in his pocket, loads it, shoots her in the back of the head so she's dead. Uh, so you know at least they're going out quick. He's not torturing her or anything, so he takes her.
Speaker 3:So Bernice's son comes back, finds the cash register missing and his mother missing, with a huge pool of blood at the store. So it kind of looks like he tried to make this look like a robbery gone wrong. But he left his antifreeze receipt and so he knew the son was like, oh, I remember it was in here asking about antifreeze receipt. And so he knew the son was like oh, I remember Ed was in here asking about antifreeze not that long ago. So that's immediately he goes to the cops and is like, hey, I'm 90% sure I know who did this. But everybody in town's like, oh, that's just Ed. So they go out to his property and they go to talk to him. So after they find this receipt, they drive out to Ed's property and find him about to leave the property with his young friend, bobby Hill, of all names, and they were about to go into town to see what was going on, see what all the fuss was about, and so immediately he was suspect number one because and he was apprehended immediately.
Speaker 3:So as there's a group of police arresting Ed, there's a second group that go into the home. So they go to the front door. It's locked. So they turn around and they're like all right. So they go down to the cellar that's unlocked, so like all right, we can go in through here. So they go down into the cellar and it's super dark. So they got their flashlights. They're, you know, kind of maneuvering through. One of the cops feels something brush against his shoulder so he flashes his light around and do y'all have either of y'all ever seen a deer be dressed like processed after hunting? Yes, yeah, it's, he had done that to her. So basically she's hanging upside down, cut stem to stern, everything pulled out, and he's just processing her just like you would. Any butcher animal, hunted animal.
Speaker 1:I couldn't handle it when I saw it, and that wasn't even a human, but it's awful.
Speaker 3:And that was how he did both of his. So both Mary and Bernice both got it that way to where they were processed and he fully kept them. So I don't really know what the difference was between them and the grave rob robbed women, why they got to have like a little bit of respect and all return some of their body parts. But, man, most of a lot of what he has is is from the two main girls, and so they were searching through his filled with all of his creations. The police also found a boarded-up room and you would think in this house of horrors, where just in the foyer he's got skulls and hearts and bones. So there's this perfectly sealed-up room and I'm like what's going to be in here, and it was this perfectly pristine, clean room and it was his mother's room and he had kept it spotless and locked and barricaded for all of those years, yeah, so it was like the one place in the house that was not a hoarder's situation.
Speaker 3:So, they, you know, searching through the basement too. They also find Bernice's severed head in what they described as a steaming burlap sack. So yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and that's such a visceral way to describe it. As well, it's just it's crazy.
Speaker 3:So after, after they get him and they're questioning him and he doesn't really want to tell him anything and they're like hey, you know, we've, we've been through your house, you know, we just we need to talk to you about some of this stuff. So he, he made one request and it was for a slice of pie with some cheese on it. So I applied cheese slice and after that, after he got his pie, he started telling them everything, very matter of factly, not like he was proud of it. It was just like, oh yeah, this is what I did. I took her home proud of it. It was just like, oh yeah, this is what I did. I took her home, I strung her up. Yep, I robbed those graves.
Speaker 3:Um, at first the cops did not believe him because he was kind of a smaller guy but you know, farm life, the size don't really matter so they didn't believe him capable of being able to grave, like rob all these graves. So there was actually an exhumation order that was made so that all of these graves they could check them for all of these women that, uh, had been grave robbing. It was like the first two that they went in. They're like, oh no, he didn't do it and like, oh shit, yes, he did it, because some of these first ones they back then the graves were only like a couple feet in the ground.
Speaker 3:It wasn't the six feet that we kind of do now, and there was a kind of tombs that were done. Sometimes they they'd be made out of concrete, but somewhere like this they're going to more than likely be made out of wood. So you know, just go right through those and he would have easy, easy to dig up two feet, crack right through there, get what he needs. So they were able to confirm very quickly like, ok, everything he is telling us is 100 percent true. He would maintain for his entire life that Bernice's death was an accident, that he did not mean to do it. I don't know if I believe that. It kind of seems intentional, but to a schizophrenic, very well he could be like it could be an accident to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And he did not believe that he was the one that killed Mary. But they told him they're like well, we found her head in your house. And he's like oh, I suppose I did do it. Then, if you found her, head in my house then I suppose I did. I mean, that was kind of the that's. He was legally insane and that was very quickly the medical staff. He went to Central State Hospital because they were like he is legally insane, schizophrenic, he is very much not fit to stand trial at all.
Speaker 1:um so once, but that means maybe he did eat people. I mean because he was not really able to tell you the truth, even though he thought it was he.
Speaker 3:He could have, but it was just more of the stuff that he took was bones and skin. It was not so much meat, he had a couple organs here and there, but he admitted to so much stuff that they were just kind of inclined to believe him Because, like you say at that point, what's he got to lie about, you know? So I'm still of the opinion he did not eat people. But once he was institutionalized he found a whole lot more enjoyment in his life. He was able to get the help that he needed his entire life. So he was able to find a whole lot of peace in his later life and he died there in 1984 at the age of 78.
Speaker 3:78? I think it was like 25 years or something. I hadn't written down the math. But yeah, he was there for a long time and there's a really cool book. I cannot remember the author, but it's called Deviant and that's where a lot of this is from and it is a fascinating story. It's such a good book.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of books and stuff written about him that's. My personal favorite is Deviant. It's kind of more like this. Obviously I'm not trying to defend his actions or anything about him at all, but it makes a clearer picture that he was not just some cold-blooded killer. He was a very, very, very sick man, where you know the other kind of classics of Dahmer, gacy, bundy. Those were sick men, but they were also demented. They knew what they were doing and they were proud of what they were doing. They got off on what they were doing, where Ed may have a little bit, but he was just so much more mentally unable than they were that he just kind of had a different. He knew what he was doing. Like I said, he knew what he was doing was wrong, but he didn't kind of understand the difference between right and wrong. But I'm about to change your mind, though, because you want to hear all the stuff he made.
Speaker 1:Let's go through the list.
Speaker 2:What was he doing with the stuff he made first?
Speaker 1:it was just been decorations around his house.
Speaker 3:Um, he, he had a couple shrunken heads that he told that he would bring out and like show people that would come over to his house, kind of before all of this started. And he said he got them. I think it was from like a cousin that brought him back and nobody kind of really knows where he got those but he did have, uh, shrunken heads that he would bring out and show people.
Speaker 1:Um how, do you do? I mean shrunken heads. What do you do with that? How do you make them shrunken?
Speaker 3:you know, I don't know that. That I I do remember, curious, my aunt had one and it was what, yeah it was. I don't know if it was real or not, but it was kind of one of those things that like I I think in 80s and 90s like it was not quite as horrible, it was not looked at as quite as horrible as it would be now. But I think there's real ones floating around, I'm pretty sure hers was fake, it's just like a decor item.
Speaker 3:It's a lot of times it's like military men will bring them back when they are stationed in areas that participate in that kind of stuff. Wow yeah, when they are stationed in areas that participate in that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, I am so sheltered from all of that. I've never seen a shrunken head ever.
Speaker 3:Well, it's about to get worse. Okay, let's hear it.
Speaker 3:He had whole human bones and fragments, a wastebasket made of human skin. He had human skin that he had reupholstered, a couple chairs with, uh, he had, like you know, your bed posts. He had two skulls on either side of his bed, which, while I wouldn't take them from another person, I think that's metal. I would do that with some fake skulls on my bed. Uh, he had an assortment of female skulls, so when some had the tops sewn off this is all from Wikipedia, so if you want to ever go, look at that list, there's kind of sources and pictures of some of them.
Speaker 3:He had a corset made from female torso skinned from the shoulders to waist. I think that may have been the one that included the mammaries. He had leggings made from human leg skin, masks made from the skin of female heads. Mary Hogan's face was in a paper bag. Her skull was in a box. Bernice Worden's entire head was in a burlap sack and her heart was the one that was in the plastic bag near the stove. He had nine vulvas in a shoe box. Oh, shut up, wait what? How?
Speaker 1:the stove he had nine vulvas in a shoe box.
Speaker 2:How many people was he convicted of? Only?
Speaker 3:two, right, yeah, it's just two that he killed, because the rest of them he well, it's like the nine he only harvested women. So that's kind of one of the main parts that he took, and it's nine confirmed graves. There could be way more and he was only convicted of two yeah, it was just the two actual murders, because the I mean I'm sure they could have been did. Probably can you know how much of the conviction there was, since he was legally, that's true, he had nine vulvas, yeah and uh, that's conviction material.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh for sure For nine. Two, because you know we're not walking out without it.
Speaker 3:No Two of the vulvas belong to females that were judged to be about 15 years old.
Speaker 3:Oh, no yeah so it kind of makes it worse. There's the belt of human nipples. That's my personal favorite from the list. Oh, actually my second favorite's down here too. Four noses, so he just had four individual noses. So he had a pair of lips that were on like human lips, not vulva-y lips that were on the drawstrings of the curtains, so when you would pull them they would just. He was very creative. He had a lampshade made from the skin of a human face. The picture of that one is nuts that and the fingernails from human fingers. I'm surprised I didn't even notice it. Whenever I put this list together, the gloves aren't there. He 100% had gloves made from human skin too. The lamp is an interesting picture. The belt and the mammary vest are both. They're exactly what you think they look like. You know what I mean. That belt looks exactly how you would expect it to.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go over and look on this up.
Speaker 1:I'm going to pass.
Speaker 3:If you're into it, then it's worth it.
Speaker 1:I want to see the. I don't want to see the I want to see the I don't want to see the vulvas. The lamp is crazy, but the, the draw, you know the uh kissing lips yeah that was one I found kind of when I was researching this.
Speaker 3:Again. That was one I had completely forgot about. Um, the lamp, because I all I don't know if y'all remember, like Snopes or Rottencom from back in the day that may have been, I say Phoebe, might. I don't know kind of if I was late or early in that generation of that, but yeah, that's where I saw a lot of this stuff at like 13, 14. Wow, rottencom was horrible. My cousin used to torment me with that stuff. We were both not into that kind of thing, that's a gross thing to say, but interested in it, we'll call it that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really difficult not to look. You know what I mean. It's like when you drive past an accident. You want to make sure everybody's okay, but you also cannot help but see what happened. Oh yeah, Do you know what I mean? For sure it's human curiosity.
Speaker 3:There was a wreck not that long ago. Brian and I were driving out to go disc golf with some buddies and we all got stuck in the same traffic and there had been a motorcycle accident and so obviously there's like a tarp on the road and we're like, oh shit, but there's just like they, I swear to god, they just went. It's like barely covering him, like you couldn't see his face, but like this whole part of his body's just like hanging out. And we're like guys like oh my god, like when we got there there was a couple of the guys that were like I need a second and like had to kind of get some air because they just fucking prepare for that. It just no, some people I.
Speaker 1:I had the same thing happen to me. It actually scarred me because I can still picture it in my mind. It was a rainy night and I was headed to Sigaville to see my family at the ranch and as I'm passing by, there is all of these cars in an accident in front of me. I don't know if the fog, the rain, whatever it caused a train-like effect, but all over the place there were sneakers, there were shirts, there was a mother screaming and running with the shoe, I mean just. And then there was a child, a child covered, and it was so absolutely disturbing and devastating and gut-wrenching. I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 3:So I can't. It's it to see something like that online and is one thing, but when you eventually see that in person because I don't think anybody is ever going to get out of it without seeing a little bit of fucked up- shit it's.
Speaker 3:It's just so completely different. It's a completely different experience it's. You know, I make light of my interest in this kind of stuff, but I think that's kind of where that comes from is just from the respect of it, and it's just like we're here for removed from that story just because of how old the story is, for sure.
Speaker 1:It's not like it's current and it's happening in the news right now and there's families and victims talking about it, so it's a little bit easier to digest it, I think, but still nonetheless, the fact that somebody thought to look at a woman and make something out of her.
Speaker 3:I mean, there's beauty, women are beautiful, and I can see parts of that element, but wow it comes from a very disturbed individual with a very fucked up childhood and being raised where I'm like melting it's so freaking hot in that stupid yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're good, I'm pirate now, but yeah, it's just. It's that's why that story in particular is is more interesting to me than so many more of them. Just because there's there, you can just see if he had just maybe been raised a little bit different, had the help he needed, and kind of not been inadvertently fostered by his mother into hating women and being raised that, oh, should he be a woman, should he be a man, all the confusing feelings that come with that. You know there's just so much stuff that at that time period you know it was just like shut up, grow up, just be a man. And and it creates this, it creates a nipple, belts and vulvas and a shoe balls man, it's, it's, it's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1:So send people. If people want to go and research this story or see pictures. Uh, can you tell us where to go? 100 I.
Speaker 3:I will look up the author. Okay, uh, the. I tried to remember it earlier. It is harold schecter, deviant. It is, uh, the Ed Gein and it goes through pretty much the entire timeline that I've gone through here. If you don't mind some grotesque jokes, language, that kind of thing, I highly recommend Last Podcast on the left. This is an old episode of this. It's like I think 171 through 173. It's a three-parter. Same kind of thing. They got a lot of their stuff from Deviant and it's just this kind of same principle. I highly recommend that podcast for anything true crime because those boys are hilarious. My crush of my life, henry Cebrowski, is on there. He's a good boy. I love that man. So what's the name of it? I'll type it in Last Podcast on the Left. It's like an OG podcast. It is older than sin, but yeah, they are very, very good boys. I usually am on Spotify. I think they have their own website.
Speaker 1:I've always gotten it through a platform of some sort.
Speaker 3:Okay, last Podcast on the Left for True Crime. Okay, last podcast on the left for true time. That's uh. Now it's, uh, I think, ed marcus and henry um, they used to be ben marcus and henry, okay, but it's still just just as good they are. They are some good boys. They do their research. Uh, they are hilarious, but they are raunchy, but that's why I dig it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so then let's go to something that's a little different than what we just heard. What do you got, phoebe? I'm going to probably save the Menendez to a different episode, just because it is so. You know what I mean. I think we're off. We're not going to be here three hours. We all know that. So let's, let's let let phoebe hear her story, because I'm very interested to hear this.
Speaker 2:Yeah phoebe interested to hear mine yeah yeah, I.
Speaker 2:Luckily I didn't have to do a lot of research on it because I knew some of the people involved in this, so we'll get to that. Yeah, so my story is about. Well, it starts off about a lady named Diana Kelly. She lived in Joplin, missouri, back in the 90s. This started September 26, 1990 in Joplin, a paint store employee noticed a car parked outside of their building that they'd never seen before. So they went to check out the car and they found a woman dead in the car.
Speaker 2:That was Diane Kelly. She was a 24-year-old mother to a four-year-old. There was no signs of trauma, it was just she had a little bit of blood around her nose and one of her hands and that was it. And so you, you know, the police didn't have much to work with. Um, they quickly found out that the night before she had went out with a friend and afterwards she had planned to meet up with her estranged husband, whose name was doyle. They were going through a separation. But he said, you know, he told the police everything was fine and that she didn't meet him that night. He never saw her. Um, her mother confirmed the same. Are you wanting to go? Go? So why am I telling?
Speaker 1:a story. I know I'm sorry my son had been. You can't. No, no, I don't care about that just yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2:But as soon as I started telling the murder story, he's like I'm out of here. He's like you want to go?
Speaker 1:No, because I have my headphones so he couldn't hear you, but he can hear me now. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh my God, yeah, no kids, no kids should tune into this live.
Speaker 2:My bad, my bad.
Speaker 1:No worries, so no worries.
Speaker 2:So Doyle and Diana, they had been married for five years. Like I said, they were separated but everything seemed amicable at the time. You know, he said that she didn't show up. Her mother also said she didn't show up to pick up her four-year-old son, and so the police just didn't have much to go off of. They thought maybe it was suicide, you know, maybe it was murder.
Speaker 2:Autopsy came back and it didn't help at all. It actually made things more confusing because the autopsy came back showing there was signs of hemorrhaging in her face and her back and she seemingly died from respiratory failure. So that still doesn't tell them a lot, um, so it made it pretty tricky for them, like, was it a natural death or was it murder? They still suicide or murder. They still really didn't have a good cause. So the official cause ended up being marked undetermined by the morgue. Um, so they started just looking for suspects to see if there's someone out there that might have wanted to harm diana. Um, because she was a very nice person, you know, everyone described her as very giving and just super sweet lady and and nobody could understand who would want to do this to her diana kelly diana kelly.
Speaker 2:She passed away september 26 1990, um. So they started poking around and they found out she had been dating a guy named richard blackwood at the time, and the people that that knew them described Richard as obsessed with her. He said that, or they said that he was just a strange person and he seemed obsessed with her. The police said the same when they interviewed him. They said strange person who acted strange, and so they were really thinking he could have did it. But they didn't have any type of evidence and he never admitted anything. But at one point in his interviews he insisted that he was going to die by suicide because he wanted to go be with Diana. So they didn't necessarily think it was him. They, of course, you know, talked to her estranged husband, doyle, and he had the same. You know. They didn't meet up. Everything was amicable, they were getting along just fine, you know, co-parenting and all that and just going through a separation. So the case ended up going cold ultimately, because they didn't have enough to go off of or figure anything out.
Speaker 2:So fast forward three years later and I'll just say this is when I had met Doyle. I was a child at the time but my mother was friends with him. She knew him through the program, I'll say it. She was in AA and NA, doyle was too, and so she knew him. They were actually good friends. And, like, I remember going to his house in Joplin, missouri, which is where you know, and I didn't know because he was already. You know, we just knew his. My mom knew he had his ex-wife had died but, you know, tragically and it was just sad, you know, you just see him as like, oh, this poor little guy who's you know in recovery, trying to get his life together, and, um, he did tattoos. I remember going to, he touched up. My mom had a tattoo. She got back in like 80 when I was first born, and he touched it up. So I remember going to his house and he did my sister's very first tattoo Doyle did.
Speaker 2:So it's like we knew this man really well and um, wow, yeah, doyle eventually started dating another lady in the program who happened to be one of my mom's very best friends. It was a lady named christy kelly and ironically, christy and diana look almost identical if you see pictures of them side by side. So he obviously had a type. So now he's dating, or dating Christy, and then they eventually got married. So he's now moved on. You know he's married. Christy is a super sweet person, like I said, one of my mom's best friends. And then all of a sudden one day my mom gets a call Christy's dead. She turns up dead in her bathtub. Why's she got to have my name? She just did.
Speaker 1:How is her name? Christy?
Speaker 2:So yeah, basically three years later, in April 93, a woman called police because her sister hadn't come to pick up her daughter and she was concerned. So police stopped by her home for a welfare check and they found the woman dead, lying face down in her bathtub. She had suffered blunt force trauma to the back of the head and was then held down in the water until she drowned. So they could tell, so he gave himself away.
Speaker 1:So it was yeah, christy.
Speaker 2:And so who happened to be her husband? Doyle Kelly. So now the cops are like, oh, this is too much of a coincidence. Yeah, yeah. So you kind of screwed yourself there. Buddy bit of a black widow, yeah, a little bit. And so, um the relation, you know, their marriage started out happy but it quickly soured because doyle was kind of a possessive person, I could say that, and you know, being an addict or recovering addict, he had some faults about him, um, but they were actually in the process of splitting up to christian doyle when this actually happened and she had even moved on at this point with her landlord. So he was pissed off, you know keeping it real close.
Speaker 2:So first they're like, well, let's make sure the landlord didn't do it. But the landlord had an alibi. He was out of town and um, so doyle tried to say he had an alibi as well. But his neighbors, kind of you know, threw a wrench in that game and said like no, he was lying when he said he was at his house. He wasn't at his house. So they decided to. Actually they couldn't get much further with Christy. They didn't have any evidence really tying him there.
Speaker 2:So they decided to circle back to Diana's original death and they went back and started interviewing her friends from back then. And so they did get an interesting revelation when a friend of Diana's said that before she died, that, um, they were at doyle's house. No wait, an interesting revelation emerged. A friend said that the day after diana died she was at doyle's house and he was smashing up a saint christopher's medal, the one diana had been wearing the night before her death. That was never found. And so now this person suddenly says, like the saint christopher, that was missing off her body. We saw doyle destroying it, so he obviously had it after the fact.
Speaker 2:Um, so they decided they wanted to exhume diana's body at this point to see if they had missed some evidence and so they had to get it approved by like her family and everything and um they actually were, and he tried to block it. Approved by like her family and everything and um they actually were, and he tried to block it. Doyle tried to block them exhuming diana's body, um, but they did eventually get a judge to so pass off on it and her family approved and in 1993, august of 93, they exhumed diana's body, pulled her up from the grave that's how austin was born I remember that year so it says.
Speaker 2:Luckily, her body was still well preserved, and a new medical examiner looked over her and noted indentations and bruising around her neck, as well as damage to a throat bone, indicating she was strangled so now her cause of death has changed to a homicide, and Doyle was arrested for both murders. That's nuts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, and the reason was because they left him.
Speaker 2:Yeah and he was jealous, like abandonment issues, it says. Christie had, you know, said he could be really controlling and she was scared of him at times. You know he was just a really controlling and you know the type. That seemed nice. But then when they get angry you see that other side of them and doyle had that you know.
Speaker 2:So um doyle did get found guilty of first degree murder of diana and christy in october 94. So this all moved pretty quickly too, and he was given two life sentences without the possibility of parole. So thanks to them being able to exhume her body, they were able to find out he had killed not just his current wife but his ex-wife and um. I think it's really crazy because in the end he had, you know, of course, he filed appeals and everything trying to get you know, some time off and in the end they did have to scrap christy's case. They did end up having to overturn that conviction due to some type of paperwork that didn't get filed. You know, some weird loophole in the justice system.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, there should be some kind of thing about that stuff I hate it.
Speaker 2:But since they had got Diana, since they exhumed her and they could prove that one at this point with all the new evidence, so he's still staying in prison, never got out, and it actually said that, um, when he got arrested I didn't know this, but he was actually already dating another lady. He was, uh, engaged to a new lady already when he still wasn't even divorced from christy yet and he was seeing a new year, 21 year old at the time, who was much younger than him.
Speaker 1:A lot of that I wish I could see what this guy looked like. Is he good looking or something?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's yeah I would say I do remember he was a handsome guy. He kind of had the biker look. He had, like I said, he did, tattoo, that's hot, longer hair and like the mustache. And yeah, he wasn't not hot. Oh, I think I mean, I was a child, but I do remember he was kind of cute, he's kind of cute.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so's kind of cute.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that is what happened. We ended up actually with Christie's dog because, you know, someone had to take her dog in oh my God.
Speaker 2:Christie's dog ended up living with us. Yeah, and let's see. And so what I did want to mention about this also is, you know, you asked like, where can you find this information? They actually did an episode of about this on the oxygen network. They had a series called exhumed and it's about cases where they end up um digging up the bodies, and so it was crazy to see this on an actual. It was on an episode, that's, yeah, and so you can um go to oxygencom right now if you wanted to and see the whole episode, and you can see pictures and and hear the longer version of it.
Speaker 2:It's exhumed on Oxygen, and this was actually the season one's episode one, so this was their premiere episode was about these people in Joplin, missouri.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Well, that is crazy that you're so closely connected to that. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I completely forgot until we were talking about this now. I should have done charles albright instead of ed dean, because I went to the high school that his wife taught at. I don't know if y'all know charles albright. He was a killer from I can't remember if it was 80s, 70ss, 80s, but he was the eyeball killer. He was the trucker that would pick up prostitutes and then take their eyes and that's like that was his whole thing is. He was the eyeball killer.
Speaker 1:And I guess his wife taught me?
Speaker 3:Well, obviously his ex-wife, the one that put him away. She taught me in high school what, and if we ever do another one of these, I'll do him.
Speaker 1:I completely spaced on that I don't have any connections to any killers, uh, but I was connected to britney murphy, who was the you know britney murphy is. She was in clueless and she rules my lust. I love eminem and she was in that movie. I was so jealous, but anyway, I went to dancing school with her and no way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's crazy in Avenel, new Jersey, and her mom. I remember her mom would bring her in and they were. It was right she had just tried out for star search around that time. She didn't get it but um, yeah, and then we had this. We were doing um I forget what it's like a musical, a musical theater type thing, and her mom was a part of it with her and they were really really close to all these rumors that say that her mom was involved in her death. I can promise you that is not the case, because they were extremely close.
Speaker 3:I had wondered about that because she we were talking about this recently because she played Luann in King of the Hill, which I adore, and yeah, we had talked about that not long ago, um, about her death, and it was just because they're doing a reboot of it and it's like the one reboot I'm actually like hopeful for and, um, it's like a 25 years later or something, and I was like, oh, she's not gonna be able to be on it, so I don't know if they're gonna get another voice actor, but she was like one of my favorite characters on that.
Speaker 1:I loved her. And then to see that happen to a hometown girl you know that it was like one of ours and it's really, really sad, but they're still talking about it Like it's still something that is a mystery to everyone, because she died of pneumonia. And then her husband six months later, who I'm told and have learned is not the greatest guy, died six months after that with the same thing. So you know, Brittany Murphy's dad has come out and said that there's something to this.
Speaker 2:I'm saying I wonder if she attended any daddy parties.
Speaker 1:I was just going to say there are pictures, phoebe. There is a connection that people are saying right now.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, Get out of here Now.
Speaker 1:I know there's conspiracy theories, but you and I will cover this. When we talk about Diddy and that's why I'm watching I'm like there is no freaking way, because Kim Porter died of pneumonia Just saying so. There could be something to that. I don't know. We're not going to get into that today. I can't wait for, uh, yeah, all to do that, though, because I'm like, oh, that's a new one, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I can't wait because of the. It's like, literally, we have to draw a diagram of how these all connect to freaking diddy in the middle.
Speaker 2:It's nuts well, I just I wonder, if there is, we should research what. Is there something you can give someone that would basically make it look like they died of pneumonia? I don't know. Yeah, I know that's random, like I wonder what that drug is or it kills them, but it looks like it's pneumonia and not like some poison. Because yeah, I don't want to go off on a tangent, but that you say in that story that made me think of the little girl from poltergeist. You know she died of pneumonia and it's like who dies of pneumonia? Like I remember thinking that um you know when you're not.
Speaker 2:There's a conspiracy behind that now, where it's like she didn't really die of pneumonia, is what they're saying now, and so that's why I'm like I wonder if there's a thing that you can there's clearly is because, yeah there's a conspiracy theory that she didn't die of pneumonia.
Speaker 1:I'll say that, yeah and go ahead, sam, I think you're. You're having a thought, no, okay, well. I know that yeah, no, I know, I know that there is a way and and I'm learning that a little bit as I'm listening to that podcast I sent you the other day um, it's unbelievable the stuff that you hear. And he had the means and the and the method to be able to make that happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah and cover it up and people working for him and all know this right now. So it's it's going to be interesting because I just saw that the lawyer came out today and said he's about to name people in the lawsuits and he's got over 100 lawsuits, or a thousand lawsuits, to drop, as I guess they're not paying them off. So if they don't pay them off, their names are going to be revealed.
Speaker 2:Come on and it's all starting to drop. He's ready to drop the names? He's going to start a GoFundMe to pay him to drop all the names? Yeah?
Speaker 1:I mean, that's something that we should probably do so much to talk about. They dropped the.
Speaker 3:Epstein Island book and everybody just kept bebopping along.
Speaker 1:So you know, I know, and they were all complaining about it.
Speaker 3:So I don't know you got busted on Child gonna say on youtube island right you know uh-huh, yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 1:I would like to say I know halloween's coming up and you know everybody's gonna go out and do their thing and and you know we hope everybody stays safe and check your candy. Um, what are you giving out candy this year, phoebe? I think?
Speaker 2:so my son is 10 now and this you know, he's 10 and this is the last year. We started a new tradition where he we go to a friend's house that has a big halloween party every year. They live in a neighborhood that's big, huge on trick-or-treating and what mike mike is their husband he loads them all up on a trailer and they he pulls a ton of kids on the trailer and my husband will go, and so I'm thinking, like he's at the age where he wants to be with his friends and all I'm doing is like running behind him, trying to catch up and, like you know to where I'm, like I might stand home and pass out candy and let the guys go out and trick-or-treat, yeah my dog goes crazy with the doorbell and the kids, so it's it's not the most fun for me, but Trevor has a football game on Thursday, so we're going to be there.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be dressed up like this, hanging out at the football game. It's a home game, so, yeah, I think so too. It's a change up. You know what are you doing, sam.
Speaker 3:Oh we, I just texted you two pictures. Last weekend was my niece's uh halloween party and she had like 50 freaking teenagers over at their house and I sent you a picture of the dips that me and my mom put together for her and that scream one I carved out of cream cheese. I was very proud of that I love scream yeah how cool is.
Speaker 2:You did a good job, thank you.
Speaker 3:And then I say that I made this spider dip Me and my mom were so proud of those. Yeah, isn't that good, go figure, 50 teenagers and like, obviously that was not the only food, but they sent me like aftermath pictures and it looked like a fricking tornado had gone. No, they tore it up. Oh my god and I'm not kidding there was like 50 of them.
Speaker 3:Like she is the socialist of butterflies. But no, tomorrow, what we will do, same thing. We got the three dogs. We will shut everybody in here, play real loud movies and like. Generally our light in the front is like on constantly, but that's the one day that we like turn everything off and because our neighborhood is like super like. There's children everywhere and so we're like, no, our neighbors know they're aware of us by now, so we're just like, nope, not participating.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's just, it's really more for the dogs. It would just drive them freaking crazy. Oh, you know I have my own bowl of candy, yeah. But yeah, we did all of our celebrating last weekend and me and him will watch horror movies and just kind of hang out no, that's great.
Speaker 1:Well, I would like to say that I'm gonna put this episode um on simply vibing podcast. It'll be streaming on apple and spotify and you can find the video version on simply on the simply vibing page. Um, and also this right here is going to go out without edits, so typically it's more polished um simply vibing. I'm putting it on the screen right now so you can go check out the youtube page, I think we stayed on track pretty good, though I think so too.
Speaker 1:I think so too, um, and also, we will be here. I, I like this, this going live thing. Phoebe, I really really do, okay, uh, I think it's going to be an easy way to to edit for me. I'm just going to throw it out unpolished, with a beginning and an end and that way I don't have to do much work on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's just, you know, shooting the shit, really just talking and kind of doing our thing. Sam, I want to have you back and I know it's so hard to get you. She's like highly in demand because I can't get her here all the time.
Speaker 2:I'm so happy to see you too, to see your face and see you here yeah, I don't know I, I want to be there tomorrow.
Speaker 3:So bad. But like I am medicated to the nines because I feel like such shit this week, so I'm like, no, I need to like focus for tonight, yeah, and then pass out afterwards yeah. Yeah, I, I will not be there tomorrow, I'll be there on monday. So I will, I will, hopefully I will you'll be with us in spirit. Yeah, I will, cause that's a good time and Brian will be there, so it'll it should be fun. But yeah, it's a. I miss you guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah we miss you, but I want to say I anybody listening or watching. If you would like to get you know, start a petition and get Sam here more often we would love to have her y'all do more coverage like this.
Speaker 2:I've got killers on killers I told you, I want to do albert.
Speaker 1:No, I told you nightmare in itself, yeah no, well, I mean, I may just also have you on simply vibing, I'm not simply, I love you, miss you. Bye my other podcast, because it it's a true crime as well. Um, so let's just rock on both for sure and Phoebe um.
Speaker 2:Is there any?
Speaker 1:the drunk clown. You really do. Yeah, that's it. You nailed it with that. You nailed it with that. Um, yeah, so if you guys, uh, want to go, go, follow us, go check us out. Phoebe, do you have any parting words today?
Speaker 2:Um, no, but thank you and I hope you join us on this new journey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, for sure, and sure, and Phoebe and I've been doing this a little while now, so hopefully you'll like our new topics and we're getting a little bit away from the, the cannabis, and start to talk about other things we're not getting totally away from it.
Speaker 2:We're just getting away from it topic wise, that's all. Just topic wise, oh my God.
Speaker 1:I forgot to mention. I don't know that we'll be talking to him before the next podcast for the next episode. Go out and vote. Go minutes, literally For real. Yes, when does it end Today? The?
Speaker 2:end today. No, I just I mean you might want to look. I'm like I don't know, Look, you don't want to wait until Tuesday? I always do.
Speaker 1:I always do, but I might not this time. We'll see.
Speaker 3:All right.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, all right. Well, we'll talk to you soon. Thanks for simply vibing with us. Bye, bye, happy Halloween. All right, it is three. Hold on Trying to stop it. Don't know if I can Hold on. Do you want to share any words of?
Speaker 2:parting. No, I don't want to choke of parting, um, no, I don't want to choke.
