Kings of The Road
We are two friends who went on a road trip around the United States 20 years ago to serve churches. We kept a journal as we traveled and are reading through the journal and remembering our adventures. Listen and laugh with us as we go back in time and inspire others to go on an adventure.
Kings of The Road
Bidding Farewell to Season One: Road Trip Reflections and South Dakota Surprises
Ever wonder how a simple road trip can transform friendships and unveil life’s unexpected lessons? Join us as we wrap up the first season of the Kings of the Road podcast, celebrating 56 episodes packed with laughter, spills, and unforgettable adventures. We look back on our shared journey across America, where two friends found unexpected harmony despite the challenges of cramped quarters and spilled Kool-Aid. Discover how our odyssey became a testament to the power of intentional relationships and the undeniable charm of places like South Dakota.
Get ready for season two with a thrilling twist! "Defend Your State" launches in early spring 2025, promising to unveil the hidden gems and unique attractions across the nation. Each episode will feature passionate guests advocating for their states, offering listeners insider tips and compelling reasons to visit. Whether you're fiercely proud of your hometown or a wanderlust traveler seeking new destinations, this upcoming journey through America’s diverse landscapes will be nothing short of enlightening. And if you think your state deserves the spotlight, we invite you to share your story with us!
As we close the chapter on our inaugural season, we're filled with gratitude for our dedicated listeners who’ve been with us from the start, and especially those who binged the entire season in a day—your enthusiasm fuels us! These reflections remind us of the importance of nurturing relationships and embracing new adventures at every turn. Though we bid farewell for now, it’s only a brief pause before we return with even more captivating stories and lively discussions in the next season of Kings of the Road. Thank you for being a vital part of our journey.
Hello listener, by now you know the deal. This is our final episode of the first season of Kings of the Road podcast. If this is your first episode you're listening to, you have a journey in front of you. Don't listen to this episode. Stop. Go back to the first episode, listen all the way through 50 episodes, come back to this episode I don't know Like a day or two and then listen and we will wrap up what you have heard. If you've been with us on the whole journey, welcome to the final episode of the first season of Chains of the Road podcast. And we are here. My name is Todd Hawkins. This is Andrew Gare.
Speaker 1:Smash the like button. Subscribe. Do all the things that they do on the TV the internet.
Speaker 2:Honk the horns, ring the bells, jump off the diving board. Yeah, I mean, if you have one, if you have one, do it. Yeah, I wonder how long it would take you to get from season one all the way to here if you were to go nonstop back to back, do you think?
Speaker 1:I think we have something like 56 episodes. Yeah, we're roughly about 20 to 30 minutes, so okay.
Speaker 2:Somewhere a little longer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so about, there's a couple of longer, so probably about a day of content, a day of content, a day of content, a day of content Golly 24 hours.
Speaker 2:You could just nonstop for 24 hours. Listen to Scott and I in your head In your ear holes. Could you imagine a better way to spend 24 solid hours?
Speaker 1:No, if you're road tripping right now and you're just go back to episode one, just start. If you've heard it where he wants, go back. We've learned some things along the way. Um, let's start with just talking about the fact that there will be a season two, because we have enjoyed this and, um, we are glad to do this. It's good for us, it's good for our friendship, it's good for you as a listener, I think. Oh for sure.
Speaker 1:Maybe the number one. I think we have decided to do season two and what it's going to be is it's going to be defend your state and we're going to take this in chunks. We'll probably do 10 to 12 at a time release like season two, with 10 or 12 states being defended.
Speaker 2:That'll come out sometime in the spring, late winter, early spring of 2025. Fair, fair, committing to something here, I think that's good. Yeah, it is. I'm giving us a big we got this, we got this down on air yeah, so that we will commit to it.
Speaker 1:Yes, we've got to find because what we're going to try is to do it a little like have them all recorded in the bank, yeah, and we'll. We're going to try to step up our game just a little as far as like, okay, what does it look like to have a planned strategy for like launching it and then having, uh, other posts go up at the same time and you know, like interesting things like which, which reminds me from last week, or the last episode that we released, the applications for our social media intern have been overwhelming.
Speaker 2:Oh good, yes, I mean we haven't got any yet, but I just feel like. There's so many people who have it like pretty high now on their to-do list of like yeah, I'm gonna contact these guys so that I could do that for them for free.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you for free, um. So so get that done, that's coming out, get that to us. If you have a state you want to defend, we have some lined up um, but we would love to have you on and then you could put on your resume.
Speaker 2:Guest on the kings of the road podcast, which opens doors wide open yeah, you, you put that on the resume and you can pretty much get any job. You're a thought leader at that point. Influencer, yeah, whatever else is buzzing around on linkedin, you can put that right on the resume. But you know what? It's fun too. And don't be intimidated, because it's just a conversation around the kitchen table. Like we said very much at the beginning, we just want to have conversations with people.
Speaker 2:So if you're at all, interested and you've got a state that you want to defend. Now what does that mean?
Speaker 1:Exactly. I think it means pitch it to us and get someone to go. I really should go there. Yeah, we're not going to attack you, but we are, I think, going to say, hey, what about this thing? We've heard about that state and you're like, okay, yes, there are sinkholes in Florida and how do we avoid them? Right, you would have to be able to be ready with that. But also, we want to fall in love with your state. Our goal is not for us to say no, our goal is to say no. Our goals say yes, go, remember, we're the go-on-adventure people. We are not the don't-go-to-that-state people, except for Florida and South Dakota, but other than those two, we might be. We're ready. We're ready to fall in love. We're on Tinder, swiping left or right, don't remember which one's the right way. Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, I would love to State Tinder.
Speaker 2:We hope to learn something about states that maybe are a little bit unknown. You know, hey, you're from Iowa. What is it about Iowa that we don't know that maybe we should know to be like gosh? I would love to check that out.
Speaker 1:Iowa State Fair sounds like a hoot. It does sound like a hoot, and I do think there's a big deal about it, maybe it doesn't, we don't know.
Speaker 1:So that's season two that's coming up, and you are going to be a part of it. We can't wait to talk about with you, about your state. Today, though, we're going to wrap up our journey and have some overall reflections, and the way we're going to start our overall reflections is Andrew and I have prepared questions for each other, and they're generalized questions about the road trip, and we're going to ask one another these questions. We do not know them in advance, so I do not know his questions, he doesn't know my questions, so if they happen to line up, it'll just be because we spent a lot of time together in a motorhome and they might line up, but we thought it was a good way to get started. And then just some overall thoughts on doing the podcast and that.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of our journey today. Sound good? Yeah, let's do it. Okay, you want to go first, or let me go first? Go for it? Hit me, okay. Are you ready? Yes, when you are old and in a home which I know is coming up, oh God, what is one person that you will remember from the trip? Oh, oh, what's one person?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know if there's just one person, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna hope that that one person is ramon, if you recall yeah, if you remember, back to um iowa. Yeah, ramon was the uh, I guess facilities guy at yeah at the church that we uh stopped with, that Paul and Renee Spalding worked at and he was, I forget, shoot. I forget exactly where he was from, but somewhere to the south, oh yeah, and he was just full of life and super funny and just instantly loved the guy.
Speaker 1:Just so much great energy, he went to the pool party with the Speedo.
Speaker 2:He's the guy who showed up at the church pool party in a Speedo.
Speaker 1:A lot in Iowa. Yeah, a lot of great people.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:Ramon would be a great one to cheer me up. You know, who I thought you were going to say Was our friend from Denver who we went to lunch with, a boy, oh, clark Clark.
Speaker 2:I thought I was like I was ready for Clark. Yeah, clark would be another good one. I know you think just a little bit further about this and it's like oh, and this person and that person and that person, but Ramon's a good choice.
Speaker 1:What about you? What about you? I, so I think it was, um, well, it would probably be either Scott Cleveland or the um, the woman who I'm just trying to mention a name, that we made the mural at in the Savannah um thing, because that was such a cool like I don't know making that and and helping around there. So I just think that was a really neat thing. So, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:All right, all right, here we go. Yeah, of everywhere we traveled on the trip, yeah, what's one place? Like just right now not eventually in the future, but like right now. You'd be wanting to go back and visit just right now, maybe because you just want to see it again or you just want to spend more time there. Just one place If you're like hey, spring break, let's go.
Speaker 1:I think I am going to say Maine, maine, because I think when we when we talked about Maine, when we um interviewed um jason about maine, like, and then I've seen some of those main cabin masters episodes, there's some great looking like lakes oh, yeah, there to hang out on the lobsters, great, um, so yeah, that that to me is like immediately, like if this now, not today, so it's december right now, but like spring break trip, if you say like, where would you go today, that's a whole different answer.
Speaker 1:But right, I do I think within the next year. Yeah, yeah okay, is there one that jumps out?
Speaker 2:yeah, for me. I don't know why, but I I would love to go back through some of the national parks in the West here, like Zion specifically.
Speaker 1:Um, we just well, you saw Yellowstone too, which is like I have not been to Yellowstone, so that's a good call.
Speaker 2:That would be fun, but we haven't yeah. Zion was yeah, zion, we just kind of ran through it, cause it was like day two or three or four. It was quick yeah, and we just kind of drove through, but there is so much that I would love to go and just spend a while exploring further.
Speaker 1:Zion or Bryce, both of those close by too.
Speaker 2:Not that far, because that's possible.
Speaker 1:Arches is cool. Utah is a real interesting state. Yep, okay, where in the motorhome is your favorite spot?
Speaker 2:hmm, where in the motorhome. You know? It's funny, as you say, that I have not been in that motorhome in at least I don't know how long after your parents kept it, but let's just call it 20 years. But I still know every inch of that motorhome. I feel like my favorite spot, I think. Honestly, I think, the driver's seat.
Speaker 1:Okay, great answer. Love, it Right, I mean because you're sitting there.
Speaker 2:That means you're going somewhere, You're looking at the road and it's comfortable. And you're sitting there, that means you're going somewhere, you're looking at the road and it's comfortable.
Speaker 1:And you got that big wheel and it's shocking how easy you can put miles on in the motorhome, like we just drove back last night from trip up to sacramento and like car miles suck compared to motorhome miles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but even milder arms feel different. I do because it's like, yeah, and for a kid too. It's not like being confined to a car seat, it's sort of like there's this freedom and best I don't have two answers, I'm gonna say okay either the table, which is yeah, there's a great place like especially.
Speaker 1:It's just great. We just did a lot better on the table and also it's really hard to go away from how great motorhome naps are.
Speaker 2:I thought that's what you would say. I was thinking you would probably say the bunk above the cab with the fan on, Because with that when you're going down the road.
Speaker 1:Still, I think that nap is the best nap in the world. Just a little noise, a little breeze. Would you nap in the back?
Speaker 2:sofa or the top. You would noise little little breeze. Wait did you? Would you nap in the back sofa or the top? You would go up top where did you nap?
Speaker 1:because did you nap in my bed, then? Because you're, you must have napped in my bed, probably napped down below on my bed.
Speaker 2:You think the back lounge? I think so okay okay, okay, okay, uh. Next question here what do you think was the biggest surprise that you encountered on the trip?
Speaker 1:Oh, what a great. This is good. I'm glad we did it this way. I like this I. The first thing that popped in my mind, which is what I'm going to go with, is and this is probably going to probably a little bit mushy I think it is surprising how well we got along, like, yeah, all in all, that could have gone so poorly for two humans. That's like that's a great point. Years and there still wasn't any times I mean every six months, I expected a note on my table about me not doing the dishes and that they have to be done by four o'clock today or I'll sort of move out. Oh, yeah, I mean in general, like I think and this comes with also the fact that, like yes, we knew each other very well, so it's not like we didn't know each other well, sure, but I don't think I could have predicted. I would have thought on the way there, there's going to be a day or two where it's just bad. I think that'd be expected.
Speaker 2:I don't did you go into it thinking that?
Speaker 1:I'm just saying, if you had asked me, then like is that gonna happen? Sure, and I would be like, of course, like two people can't be that close for 90 days straight and have no, you know, like there's gonna be something that happens where somebody does something.
Speaker 2:Just just life, right, like just the way, yeah and and this is one of those things where, when time passes, you forget some of these little annoyances and yeah, and bad things, but I really like, when I really think about it, I don't think we like we're not having a great time the whole time you know, I mean sure there was probably some spots where we were maybe a little bit bored Cause like yeah, Bored for somewhere.
Speaker 1:But yeah, bored is, yeah, exactly. The only thing like I mean we joked about it but like, yes, you get a little snippy when you don't eat, but that's just like okay was when I spilled the red Kool-Aid all over the blinds. Oh man, yes, that was to be. I think you were a little irritated at that point, which is fair. But I think even, and maybe because we both knew that, living in that space of the two of us, I am 100% the messier of the two of us. But I think there was no choice really. You just had to put your clothes away. You had to do the dish. To put your clothes away, you had to like do the dish, put it right away, like there wasn't. You couldn't let mess accumulate because there was no space for it to accumulate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I I think you you did a pretty good job, in particular of that Cause. Yeah, that would have probably driven me mad.
Speaker 1:Well, it's not my normal mode too Right.
Speaker 2:Right, it's not my normal mode too, right, right, but yeah, you really have no, no chance.
Speaker 2:Well it looks from this angle, it looks pretty good actually in your office. But, uh, yeah, okay, that's a good one. That's yeah, you're right, like when, when you think about it, and maybe I hadn't considered that. But as as the listener, I'm curious to know if you listen or think how did these guys actually survive living together on the road? Because you see, like couples doing that, you know, like a lot of couples travel and we know, in marriages and things, especially when you're on the road, and yeah there's gonna be things, but like I don't no, I don't I think we pretty much had a, a good time, the whole time kind of felt.
Speaker 1:I also I mean, think that we fell into in some ways, like acknowledging what we're both pretty good at Right. Yeah, in, like, okay, I would do the phone calls, I would like to lay those things out. You know you were trying to get us to work and do this different thing, so, like I think it was yeah, okay, okay, do you have something to surprise you quick? Or I don't want it to.
Speaker 2:You know I don't. I think. One thing that did surprise me I'll keep this one short is I. I think I had an expectation, going into this road trip, that I was going to find my next chapter in my life of where I'm going to move to and live, grew up, all you know, in Southern California, went to college. I fully expected to be like, okay, this place I'm in love with, I'm moving here, yeah. And when I got home I was like I'm supposed to stay here in southern california.
Speaker 2:Yeah, great places on the trip, but I felt like home was home yeah, I also feel like I do.
Speaker 1:I guess the part of me is surprised that you never moved, because I feel like there was still talk of you moving after we got back, Like I mean, we always talked about like Coeur d'Alene, oh yeah, there was always some like I guess I'm a little surprised you never tried it for a little while. Well, yeah, Because we talked about it a lot, but also we were traveling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I don't think I ever did, because I think I mean. This is what I've come to believe as as I've gotten older. Is you, you tend to stay in a place because of the people that are in that place, Right, More so than anything else.
Speaker 2:So, like I would probably very much enjoy living somewhere else, but, um, it's not how you know, you are the people the tuesday afternoon or the sunday afternoon, when you want to go see friends or family for dinner or whatever, and you're like, oh, there aren't any, and granted, you make new friends and people move all the time it's hard, though it's hard, but yeah, it was just never something that you know.
Speaker 2:And then you get into life, and I think that's a big thing. A theme of this trip is you. You start to get into life and you get a job, and you get things, and you get relationships, and then this sort of adventure becomes more and more difficult. It does for sure, for sure, and you have to turn up the intentionality to make it happen.
Speaker 1:So um, for sure, yeah, yeah, all right, okay, hit me Okay.
Speaker 2:What is one food memory? One food memory oh gosh, there's so many. One food memory. I just the one one that pops into my head is White Castle burgers.
Speaker 1:Nice, nice.
Speaker 2:Not a good food memory. I'm not saying it was good but it was one of those things where it's like you hear about White Castle burgers your whole life and you're like, okay, we're in Michigan, we're going to try a White Castle burger. You'd had them before, so you're like let's go in there.
Speaker 1:I did these things called sliders. Yep, you're like you order like 30 of them or something.
Speaker 2:And then you get them and they are disgusting and you're like seriously, isn't it Beastie Boys who rap about them, right?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I feel like there's a wrapper, that like we had heard about them even before, because they like shown up in like rap songs in our childhood.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure, yeah, but yeah they're kind of like gray yeah.
Speaker 1:No, they're steamed. I definitely thought you were going to go with lobster ice cream.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, no, I've tried to erase that from the memory. That's just default. Boop, yep, yep. Okay, there's so many choices. What I mean. If I were to guess for you, it'd be Mrs Wilkes, but that's just because you probably think about that every day.
Speaker 1:But it would. Yeah, no, I mean I, I made me to know that lobster. It's funny, cause the first thing that came to mind was like the amount of times they like applebees and like chilies, right, like just random crap. That really, like we shouldn't have done, like we should have probably just like bought reheatable meals like the 42 year old scott's, like buy some stuff from tracer joe's, throw in the microwave like fill up. But that's what we were doing.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean yeah, but you got to remember too like we would drive all day and we needed to get out, like you don't the last thing, you to do is like just then sit in the motorhome and eat a meal quietly.
Speaker 1:I hadn't thought of it that way.
Speaker 2:There was an entertainment factor to going into.
Speaker 1:Applebee's, you're right, just getting out of the motorhome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the world.
Speaker 1:the baseball playoffs were on and like so it was it was something to do as much as it was a meal, it was an, an event. That's a good point. I like that. That's a good point Also like Anchor Bar. I mean that was. That's still some of those wings were some of the best wings ever, as it should be.
Speaker 2:Anchor Bar Buffalo, new York. Biggest regret.
Speaker 1:Biggest regret I this is maybe a surprise, so I may have thought that was a regret I was. This is maybe a surprise Somebody else thought that was a regret. I was going to say like I kind of thought that we would venture into more like random, like jump on our sailboat and try this kind of thing, and that like never happened, you know, because we were two total strangers. Boy, yeah, a simple one. But I guess I regret the fact that we lost the pooper tank at the end and like it all, it all had to shift so much. Um, I don't know how much longer would it stay on the road. I don't know like what that end would have looked like, but it it definitely changed everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, I think for me and I think this was a trade-off, but I think for me the regret was moving as quickly as we did. I think I would have liked to have stayed in certain places a little bit longer and explore more deeply. Yeah, fair, but at the same time, we had a plan to travel around the whole country and we had to be back by a certain and maybe date, and I mean yeah I mean that was what I was gonna say was it could have been longer, like we could have left earlier.
Speaker 1:We could have left earlier and stayed on the road longer, but we had. We had things. I mean there was a financial reality. Right, we had, yeah, we had a certain amount of money and we also had, yeah, we had matt nelson's wedding at christmas. So we had like things that we knew we were about for. And then you had that hawaii trip on the starting of it, which put the start date.
Speaker 2:That's right, that's right yeah, so, yeah, so I think that's I think that's where my my first question came from is like places to go back and revisit. Now. It's like that's why I kind of want to go back and be like, instead of an afternoon, I'd love to spend three days there.
Speaker 1:That's fair. Great question, yeah, great, great point. Um, if you had to move to a state we visited today, like you had to pack up your family?
Speaker 2:and move. That was one of my questions too. Okay, we finally got one where we like.
Speaker 1:Pretty good. They're not aligned, though. For most of these questions they're good questions. Okay, yeah, you got to just pack up right now, andrew, you have to go, and we drove to it on the road trip. So I know your cheater answer was going to be Tennessee, because your family's there, but we didn't go to Tennessee you're right, we didn't test Tennessee, so you can't do it South Dakota love it. You're prepping for Avery moving to school there. Is that the plan she's been?
Speaker 2:pre-selected to South Dakota State and every other college they have.
Speaker 1:They take all living creatures.
Speaker 2:Gosh, that's a tough one. I've thought about a couple different states over time. I think I could probably do Colorado, Okay, fair. And even though we spent very minimal time in North and South Carolina, I think there are probably. I think those two are probably contenders as well. Sure, Let me think real quick about any others. No, I think really what it comes down to. A big part of it is the weather too.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I could handle living in a place that got a lot of snow, a tough winter? I know it would be tough. That's what I'm thinking, too like it would probably. I mean my cheater answer is alabama, because I've lived there and we drove through it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm not gonna use that um, but I kind of agree with you. I think that I would do a north carolina um south carolina, I don't know, maybe north carolina there's a lot of cool parts of north carolina um south carolina's. I don't know, maybe north carolina there's a lot of cool parts of north carolina um there's some neat parts of new mexico new, hmm, I know, I know, but I just thought it out there like santa quick, santa Fe quick side note.
Speaker 2:I was over at my father-in-law's house the other day and he's he's watching the show. That's like it goes state by state and it shows like different and and there was an episode on New Mexico and it was like there's a lot of people who tried to start towns here and then they eventually moved off or died Cause it's so hard to live in new Mexico.
Speaker 1:I can see that Cause there's no resources.
Speaker 2:There's nothing Very, very, very hot, but yeah. I I've never been really to Santa Fe, or but I'm not so.
Speaker 1:I'm going like to North Carolina. I agree with you, I don't think I need to do snow. I could live in Michigan because I have some family there and so many memories. Yeah, for sure. But yeah, maine, new Hampshire no, no way. No, couldn't do it, none of those. New York, no, no.
Speaker 2:None of those Interesting. How we both said, probably our favorite place is Savannah, georgia, but neither of us chose that as a place to live. I favorite place is savannah, georgia, but neither of us chose that as a place to live, I would hard one, because it's a bit like.
Speaker 1:That is a really hard one. Do you have one? I say one, but I really feel like I'm going to influence your answer.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, I don't know if this is it, but I immediately thought the very first day.
Speaker 1:Okay, great choice Because it began. I immediately thought the very first day. Okay, great, great choice because it began the world.
Speaker 2:Like the anticipation, like we are sure we are, we have set sail it's happening edwards.
Speaker 1:There you are our last person we know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bye going, we drive, we're hitting the road. It's just all smiles. Oh my gosh, we're actually doing this, it's happening. What adventures are we going to have? Like? There's so many things, so that I think is a I think I'll stick with that.
Speaker 1:There's some other ones.
Speaker 2:I think probably as a close tie is like the day at the cottage in michigan riding sco.
Speaker 1:Oh, how do you beat that? How do you beat that? I, I went, I went right to um and again, I think it's unfair because it was so crazy beforehand. But the day we got the Jeep in Savannah and we're just cruising in Savannah, it's finally warm, it's finally not gray, the roof's off, the doors are off, Like there's just something about that day that just hit. You know, perfect mark, you know oh yeah. Yeah, but you, you, you, you have some great days too, yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, I've got one more. Okay, well, I've got a couple more, but I'll ask this one last one. Okay, I think this is a good one to close the questions on. I, I'll ask this one last one. Okay, I think this is a good one to close the questions on. I love it. What advice would you have for anybody who is considering or planning to do any kind of road trip?
Speaker 1:Yeah, boy, there should be a lot of advice. I am going to say go back to the surprise and say I think who you do it with is incredibly important, because I do think that this could so quickly have been a different story. If it, we could have been 15 days in and just angry at each other for for two weeks. Yeah, like that, that's on the table. Like that that's on the table for a group of people. We could have been 15 days in and just angry at each other for for two weeks. Yeah, like that's that's on the table. Like that that's on the table for a group of people.
Speaker 1:And if you did that, it doesn't matter how nice the RV is, it doesn't matter the routes you plan, it doesn't matter that. So, like, that would be my number one. Like, make sure you can do it with that person, make sure you can make it. My number two would probably be something I loved the way we did it with the a certain amount of plan, but very flexible. Like, yeah, I think it would have been really hard and bad if we just were like this is the itinerary and we played all 93 days or whatever it was 85, yeah, on the front end and just laid it all out and had called everywhere. I think we had the right amount of flexibility to the right amount of plan that we needed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I would tend to agree. I think that is my. That's what I would go with too is probably like bullet points, right, what are a couple things you really want to do? But give yourself enough time and flexibility to take a little bit of a detour or spend a little bit more time there, or, yeah, just be a little bit open to whatever you see on the road and be able to see something and be able to see something and be like, hey, I didn't know about that, let's go check it out as opposed to no.
Speaker 2:No, no, we got to be here at nine o'clock Maybe next time.
Speaker 1:So, I think you're right. I would agree that that's a good. So that flexibility, um, that was good. I'm glad we did that. I'm glad we did that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think this has been probably a terrible episode, but for you and I, this has been really enjoyable.
Speaker 1:I actually think people are sitting on the edge of their seat going that was good they are.
Speaker 2:They're like, we want to hear so much more. I hope they do a season two.
Speaker 1:But wait. I also I think that there's one thing that, just because there's the road trip and now there's the 20 years later reflection on the road trip, I think that one of the things that I would say about this experience is partly we've been talking about doing this forever, but one of the most important things that I have taken away from this is you, at our age, have to work to get together regularly with the people you care for, and you just need to make it happen, because it's too hard at our stage of life to get together regularly unless you just like you do something like this, you do a project, you make an intentional something, so like that. I remember part of why we actually started was because one of us had heard matt damon and ben affleck talk about how, like they like to be together but they don't see each other enough. So they make movies right, they're different, right, different genre than us, different amount of wealth and fame.
Speaker 1:But I think that that's important is, I think relationships take so much more intentionality and and I just think that that's part of what's about this project as well is like let's do this because we like to be together. There's something important about that and it's not going to happen unless we make it happen. And so, like for you, the listener, I would say the same thing, like if you have a group of people, whatever, do the work to get together, like make it happen, because it doesn't. Once you're out of college it doesn't randomly happen anymore, it just doesn't. And especially if you're a guy like I think us guys were worse at relationships than our lady counterparts and I would just say, like, do something, whatever it is, to make that happen. So that's a reflection on this time together.
Speaker 2:And let me just comment on that really quick. If you are a lady listener, it's funny just by itself. If you're a lady listener and there is a certain someone male in your life. Encourage them to do things with their guy friends, because we'll just default to not doing it, and it's really helpful Anytime. Mary has been like hey you're going to go to that men's retreat with church through church, and I'm like, oh, okay, and then I go and it's great, you know, or whatever, so being an encourager to get your stubborn, stupid man out the door and doing stuff with.
Speaker 1:I love it, I think it's important, and so just yeah, okay, well, that was end of season one.
Speaker 2:End of season one, but just the beginning. I mean not really.
Speaker 1:It's been a whole year.
Speaker 2:It's been a whole year it's just a year, a whole year.
Speaker 1:We did a thing for a whole year.
Speaker 2:Look at us you've done something too.
Speaker 1:What an accomplishment especially if you're the listener who listened in one whole day to all of these episodes. You're done. Yep, bye, everybody. See you later.