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Awakening the World: How History, Technology, and Faith Are Converging (Dr. William Federer)
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Dr. William Federer, renowned historian and bestselling author, reveals how Jesus fulfilled over 300 messianic prophecies and explores the statistical impossibility of this happening by chance. Mathematicians calculate the odds of just eight prophecies being fulfilled by one person at an astronomical 1 in 10^17.
• The Jewish feasts established in 1400 BC prophetically outlined Christ's redemptive work
• Jesus died as the Passover lamb, was buried during Feast of Unleavened Bread, and rose on Firstfruits
• God strategically prepared the world for the gospel's spread through Roman roads, Greek language, and peace
• Modern technology is enabling unprecedented global gospel reach, potentially signaling the Third Great Awakening
• God created humans with unique capacity to voluntarily love Him, which requires faith and free will
• The transgender movement undermines core Christian beliefs by denying God's creation and design
• The statistical evidence for Jesus fulfilling prophecy provides powerful intellectual support for faith
• God remains outside of time while allowing our free will decisions within time
• Jesus took God's judgment upon himself to satisfy divine justice while demonstrating divine love
Get Dr. Federer's books at AmericanMinute.com and experience his wealth of historical and biblical knowledge for yourself.
What's going on? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another edition of Dimensions. Listen, I tell you what. Stop what you're doing. We've got a phenomenal man of God in the house. Dr William Federer is here and he's going to be getting into some great topics. Listen, we got a lot going on in the world right now and I believe God is setting us up for the third great awakening that's getting ready to happen. This man is one of the greatest historians that I have ever met. I call him God's AI. I mean because he just rattles off everything dates, time.
Speaker 1:We're going to talk about a lot of different things that's going to be of interest to you, things that have happened in the history, history books, but now is going to come into fruition today. There's a whole lot we're going to get into. I need you to take a minute like, subscribe, follow, share. This is going to be a phenomenal, phenomenal episode. You're not going to want to miss it. We're talking about the prophecies of Christ Jesus on this Holy Week and how rare it would have been for him to be able to fulfill those. It's going to be outstanding. Get ready, because there's a whole lot more, with Dr William J Federer in the house right here on Dimensions. I'm so glad that you are here and we are so excited to get into this next episode.
Speaker 1:As you can see, I'm missing my better half. She's a little under the weather, but, listen, we still got good things in the house. She sends her love to all of y'all. We're going to be back again and we're going to have a whole lot more coming up, and so she'll be back really, really soon. We miss you, baby, but we're going to have a great time because Dr Federer is here in the house. But listen, this is going to be so good and I need you, as always, to take a minute to like, subscribe, follow, share whether you're on YouTube, facebook and we are on every single podcast platform you can imagine iHeart Radio, spotify, android, apple Store, all of them. We are on there and we're constantly coming to you, and so if you take that moment right now and go and like, subscribe and follow, you will be the newest member of the Dimensions family, and so it's going to be great to have you a part of our team, and we've got constant things coming up.
Speaker 1:I just put something out. This morning I went impromptu put something out on President Donald Trump. He called together a bunch of ministers and pastors and elders to come together at the White House to do an Easter resurrection prayer service and dinner. It was outstanding. If you didn't get a chance to check that out, go and do that, because it was outstanding what we did. So with no further ado, we're going to get right into this.
Speaker 1:I want to give him a formal introduction because he is a man of God that I am so honored to know. I have seen him back in the day on Cornerstone television, back when Don Black was the CEO there and he was. I mean, he had these things that he did on moments in American history where revivals that happened, prayers that presidents prayed and, as a result, turned the tide of wars called fast. I mean it was. I was always looking forward to it. He is just a wealth of knowledge and he takes history and the Bible and puts them together and shows us even patterns of things that God did in the past that he can do today.
Speaker 1:So Dr William J Federer is a nationally known speaker, bestselling author and president of AmeriSearch Inc. A publishing company dedicated to researching America's noble heritage. Bill's American Minute radio feature is broadcast daily across America and by the Internet His faith in history. Television airs on the TCT network and on stations across America via DirecTV. He's been on every single channel TBN, cbn, msnbc, newsmax. He's been on radio Janet Parshall's Point of View USA Radio Network. He's been in publications quoted in USA Today, human Events, the New York Times, the Washington Times. He's authored over 30 books and a whole lot more. Ladies and gentlemen, time fails me to be able to rattle off everything that he has accomplished and the things that he has done, but we are so honored to have him with us here. Dr William J Federer, thanks for coming on. Dimensions, jay, great to be with you, and best to Tiffany as well.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. You know I was thinking about that I shared with you a little bit ago. I remember moments in American history I think that's what we called it and always looked forward to seeing what you were going to bring to the table, because we didn't know in advance. But you would come on and I remember we would get in some of those different episodes and then we would come out of that and I was like, oh man, look at what God did. And there's so many things, dr Federer, that God has done in history that we don't see in the history books. But you've brought it to light to us and thank you so much for those times because it always spurred on our television show a whole lot greater.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a way to give a perspective. You know, a cornfield looks like a cornfield but you turn the corner and you see the rows line up. History from a secular perspective it's all there but it makes no sense. But then when you see it from a providential perspective, you see God had a hand in it and there's a purpose to it all. So hopefully I can give a little insight tonight.
Speaker 1:For sure, and listen. As always, my wife always likes to put together a couple of questions. We have a would you rather? Segment. Would you mind participating in that? Sure, All right. All right, Dr Bill, would you rather? I've got two questions for you. Now, obviously these are popcorn questions, You're not. I don't most time give them to people in advance, I like to just to kind of shoot right from the hip. Number one would you rather have dinner with Moses or with Paul? Number one would you rather have dinner with Moses or with Paul Paul.
Speaker 2:Why is that, sir? Because Paul was an expert on Moses, plus, he met Jesus supernaturally.
Speaker 1:So he sort of put it all together. That is a good point, you know, but Moses had the burning bush. I mean, he had that going on. He also had that, the encounter with God where his face shined like the noonday sun after getting the, the tablets. There's a lot that he had as well. You wouldn't want to experience any of that. Oh, I definitely would.
Speaker 2:You know the one time when God was upset at the children of Israel and he said Moses, step aside, I'm going to destroy them and I'll make a new nation out of you. And Moses stood in the gap and said God, no, the Egyptians will say you weren't powerful enough to bring them into the promised land, and so forth. And God says, okay. But you know, that was pretty amazing that moses did that, um. And then he once said, god, I want to see your glory. And god said, okay, I'll put you in the cleft of the rock, I'll put my hand over you and I'll pass by. And and the lord uh, that his mercy endureth forever. And um, and moses saw his backside but saw the glory of the Lord.
Speaker 2:And then the one spot it says that Moses and the 70 elders had a dinner with the Lord. I don't know if it's just one of those passages there. And so, yeah, definitely a powerful time with Moses. But Paul is one who connected the dots and so he was an expert in the law, probably one of the premier experts in the law of his day. But I mean, who can pass up having Jesus appear to you? That's true.
Speaker 1:That is true, that is very true, all right. Number two would you rather have God add 15 years to your life or be carried away to heaven in a chariot of fire?
Speaker 2:Probably the 15 years. I mean I would love to be in heaven, but I figure I can do more for the Lord on this side and maybe gather a couple more souls for him if I'm staying down here. But I am definitely looking forward to being up in heaven and that will be a glorious day.
Speaker 1:You know that's more of the Paul coming out. You remember he talked about how to stay here is better for you, but to leave, he said, I'm caught in straight betwixt two.
Speaker 2:So I guess that's more of a Pauline theology coming out of you there, yeah, yeah, I mean, one time I was praying and I was imagining in my mind, you know, being in heaven and there's like this long line of people going up a stairway, like a single skinny stairway, and it's like nothing down below, but you're just, and we're all going up into the throne room one by one, and there's no hurry because we're in eternity, right, and you don't get tired waiting because you got, you know, your resurrected body or your, you know.
Speaker 2:But but the idea is that you're going up there and I was imagining it, you know the angels standing there, you know, at the entrance, and it's like, and then, uh, and then in my imaginations you walk in and there there's no floors, just you in the presence of the Lord, just sort of suspended, and how glorious that would be. And then I thought you know, you can go into the presence of the Lord now anytime you want, that's right, you just, you just get alone in your closet and pray, and it's you in the throne room with with God, and so so we need to take advantage of the time that we have that we can spend time with the Lord and pray Amen.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, teach us to number our days. You know, that's one of the big things I kind of want to get into in just a little bit here is I believe that we're in a window of opportunity. I just did a podcast episode about President Trump and what he did, allowing the gospel into the White House and allowing charismatic preachers and teachers and non-denoms and denominational teachers and speakers all sorts of people coming together to celebrate the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You know, in your mind, can you see a time in presidential history where there's been a president as open to allowing the gospel and defending the gospel the way that President Trump has?
Speaker 2:defending the gospel the way that President Trump has. Few, but not many, you know you had. James Garfield was actually a minister but then he got assassinated. You had several that were strong Christians you had. You know Lincoln mentioned God several times in his inaugural address. You know intelligence, patriotism, christianity and a firm reliance on him, who has never yet forsaken his favored land, are still competent to adjust in the best way. All our present difficulty. Many great statements.
Speaker 2:I read through all the messages and papers of the presidents I mean up through George W Bush, and I was amazed at that. But President Trump has made the boldest statements about Jesus that I've ever seen. Reagan makes some good ones and he would say things like you know, we as Christians acknowledge him as the Christ, but I love Trump. He's just out there. He says this Holy Week this was his tweet this week, christians around the world remember the crucifixion of God's only begotten Son, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and on Easter Sunday we celebrate his glorious resurrection and proclaim as Christians have done for 2,000 years he is risen. I mean, you can't get any clearer than that. And so I think we need to realize this is a unique moment.
Speaker 2:Last year it was Transgendered Visibility Day, and the transgender movement is a cloaked anti-Christian movement because it's totally denying Christian doctrine. If they were to say we're going to push anti-Christianism, right, there'd be a pushback, but if you say we're going to push transgenderism, it's like, well, okay, it's the same thing, though, because what are they saying? Jesus said in the beginning God made a male and female. Well, the transgender says, well, no God, there is no God. And if he is there, he's messed up and he's confused and putting people and then, you know, jesus paid the price for our sins, but in their worldview there are no sins. Right, the little library books they show the kids try this kind of sex, try that kind of sex.
Speaker 2:If sex outside of marriage is not a sin, arguably there are no sins. Right, the little library books they show the kids. Try this kind of sex, try that kind of sex. If sex outside of marriage is not a sin, arguably there are no sins. And if there's no sins, you don't need a savior to save you from your sins. So the trans agenda is literally undermining the entire gospel. You know, you have to admit it's a pretty clever trick the devil's pulled to get Christians who believe the gospel of Christ, let their children be taught the gospel of antichrist. We're Christians. We don't get involved in politics, so we're going to let ungodly people teach our kids that God does not exist. There's no sin, there's no need for a savior. It's like well, you're really spiritual, aren't you?
Speaker 1:Well, you know you talk about the whole trans word. Um, I and I know we didn't plan on going here, but since we're here, I'm going to go ahead and go down that path anyways, I don't know how well versed you are in the AI and things along that line, something that I have seen, dr Federer, and I would love your take on this. I have seen that. You know, when I was growing up in like the 80s and early 90s, there was the whole movement in regards to evolution versus creation, and then you had the whole homosexual movement that kind of came in. And then now then we started seeing where you had the battle for marriage and pro-life and all of that. And now that we've come to that point where a man is trying to be a woman, woman's trying to be a man, we have transgender.
Speaker 1:I have sensed and what my thoughts are, and I want to hear your thoughts on it that the next thing that the devil's going to try to come is transhuman. I have a view on things and I know we're getting into end times things. I don't know how well versed you are, but I I don't want to throw a curve ball at you, but give me what you got in regards to the Nephilim and what is transpiring. I believe that we're coming into a time where we're going to have to be careful of what they even consider what a human is, because I think that's the last bastion of resistance. If the devil can come in and destroy what a man and a woman is as far as a human being, then he's ascribing that all men and women will become like God. What are your thoughts on that next movement? Do you have any views on that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, we're made in the image of God and Satan hates God, so he hates little images of God. It's like if you don't like somebody, you won't like a picture of that person either. Right, we're like little pictures of God and he wants to. You know how they draw mustaches on the. You know it's like he wants to destroy the image of God. And and then you know, you go back to the beginning. The first prophecy ever was the seed of the woman will crush the serpent's head.
Speaker 2:So as far as the devil knew somebody coming out of the woman is going to be crushing his head. So what does he want to do? He wants to corrupt the seed. That's right. So you know, there is the verses in Genesis where it says the sons of God came down and had relations with the daughters of men, and most commentaries say that was, you know, fallen angels or demonic spirits that were going around and it was corrupting the DNA. And that was from what I read where a lot of the giants came from, and that's right. Like that, uh, the book of enoch, um but um, but it was corrupting the seed. And so by the time of noah, uh, it was like he was the only one on earth that didn't have a corrupted genetic line. And since the savior is promised to be the seed of the woman and the devil wants to corrupt that seed, god wanted to preserve Noah so that there would be this uncorrupted line that the Messiah could be born through. So there's that aspect to it.
Speaker 2:I did talk to a public school teacher and he said the next thing after the transgenderism is witchcraft. And he says these kids are coming into his class. You want to see my new spell book? And he said look at this. And he says these kids are like into it and so he's like a Christian teacher, but he can't come out and share the faith. And even though the public school systems in America were all Protestant up until 1962, people forget that that the public school was Protestant. The Catholics pulled their kids out of the public school system because they wanted the Catholic parochial school system. So there were two school systems in America the public school system, which was Protestant, and the parochial school system was Catholic. But after a while Christians pulled themselves out and let the other move in. And now you would have never known that it used to be Protestant. But he says, well, would you want somebody casting a spell? She broke up with her boyfriend and she wanted to get her boyfriend back. So she wanted to cast some spells. And he's like, well, would you want somebody to cast spells and manipulate you? And she says, well, maybe not. She says, well, maybe you ought to think twice about that. So you know, you've got Satan statues in the Iowa State Capitol Satan worshiping Grammys, satan trans, clothes, designers for Target, disney, FX having a little demon Satan cartoon. I mean, it's coming out of the closet.
Speaker 2:My feeling is that we're getting close to the end and God is like I need you to make your decision. You're not a robot, you have free will and I need you to hurry up. So I'm going to make the choice really clear. God devil choose. And some people are going to. You know they're going to choose the all others.
Speaker 2:You know, like in a wedding ceremony, forsaking all others and choosing the one. Well, they're going to go with the all others, as they want to be liked. And you know, like you think of JK Rowling with the Harry Potter and for most Christians that was sort of on the fringe. And then, lo and behold, she stands up for a man and a woman and then she goes from being their hero to their enemy and they just turn. And so when you're wanting the approval of others, it's a moving goalpost and so finally, it's going to get to flat-out Satanism and some people are going to be so used to wanting to be accepted that they'll go along with it, and others are going to say, look, I got to draw the line. I can't go with hysterectomies on little eight-year-old girls because they went through a tomboy phase. I'm sorry, I just can't go there. I'm drawing the line. Here I was with Charlie Kirk and he goes. I draw the line it's Satan. I'm tolerant, but I'm not going to tolerate Satan.
Speaker 2:Okay, you know but it's like God is pushing us to a decision, and so he's just making it a real easy decision, you know, making it really clear.
Speaker 1:You know, I really believe that too. I think President Trump has actually helped with that too, because he has no filter. I mean, what you see is what you get, and I think he kind of blew the box out of this politically correct look as a president, and you know when things are in the head it flows down to the rest of the nation, and I think that's what's happening. I think God is putting a dividing line and we're seeing who's with them and who's not, and it's funny. You know, I would say it like this when I was growing up, the whole thing was everyone had a right to their opinion. Then we hit a phase where everyone's opinion is right. Now the view is my opinion is right, and if you disagree with me, you're my enemy.
Speaker 1:It's like we've gotten this line in the sand, like you said, and it's because we're at the threshing floor Before the harvest. God separates the sheep from the goats. There is a threshing floor and everything that can be shaken has to be shaken. So then that which can't be shaken will remain. That's what's happening in this day and hour, which leads me to this point of you know we're in Holy Week, dr Federer, and you know it's really unique. There's over 300 messianic prophecies that had to be fulfilled, but you have a take on it that there's eight of them that were major ones, that if they were fulfilled. There's a statistic that you have. Can you talk just a little bit about that whole Jesus and the Messianic prophecies being fulfilled?
Speaker 2:Right. So there are over 300 prophecies that prophesy you know when he's going to be born and what line is seated David, I mean all these things. But a study was 27 of these prophecies were fulfilled on one single day, right the day he was crucified. And so there was a book written by Josh McDowell and his son, sean McDowell, Evidence that Demands a Verdict, published in 2017. And in there they quote Professor Peter W Stoner, chairman of the Department of Mathematics and Astronomy at Pasadena City College.
Speaker 2:And so they took just eight of those 300. And one was he would be born in Bethlehem Micah 5.2. He would be born of a virgin Isaiah 7.14. He would be a descendant of David Isaiah 9.7. He would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver Zechariah 11.12. He would be mocked Psalms 22.7 and 8. He would be crucified John 3.14. He would be pierced Psalm 22, 16. He would die with the wicked, yet be buried with the rich Isaiah 53, 9. I mean, how could you do that one? If you die with the wicked, you're a wicked person, but you're going to be buried with honors in a rich man's tomb. And so the chance that one person could fulfill just eight of these prophecies this is what he said. We find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfill all eight of those prophecies is one in ten to the seventeenth power, that's one with 17 zeros behind it. I mean we're past the trillions and quadrillions and quintillions and sextillions. I mean we're up to the 17s, whatever that is.
Speaker 2:And so now the brilliance of prophecies is they had to be not clear enough so the devil couldn't figure them out and try to stop them. So the devil couldn't figure them out and try to stop them. But clear enough so that when Christ was resurrected he could walk along the road to Emmaus and point out the scriptures, from beginning with Moses and the prophets that dealt with him. So why do they have to be not clear enough? I mean, when the three wise men came to Herod and said we're here to worship the King of the Jews, herod panicked. He goes to the scribes Where's this King supposed to be born? And they go Bethlehem. What was Herod's response? Kill all the babies in Bethlehem. Right, if the devil could have figured these out, he would have tried to stop them. I mean, indeed he did, but he didn't understand them enough to be able to be successful at it. But then they had to be clear enough so that they could prove, confirm that Jesus is the Messiah, because if he just showed up and did some miracles, you know, but here from this Eve on, the seed of the woman will crush the serpent's head like 4,000 years before Christ.
Speaker 2:All these prophecies. So if you have ever seen one of those little pictures where you look at it from one angle and see a picture like a Cracker Jack prize, remember how you used to have, and if you tilted it had little plastic ridges on it you could see one picture, but you tilt it the other way, you see another picture. When the devil looks at prophecies, he can't make sense out of it. He has no. It's sort of like, you know, I was before I got saved and I would read the Bible and I would fall asleep. Yeah, I couldn't make sense out of it. But once you have the Holy spirit, all of a sudden it unlocks it all and now it makes sense, and it's fascinating and brilliant. And then you can it's like you turn the corner on the cornfield and it makes sense.
Speaker 2:So, um, there's another quote, uh, robert Morris page. He was a physicist known as the father of US radar, for inventing pulsation radar used for detection of aircraft. He served Naval Research Laboratory in DC, held 37 patents, us Navy, distinguished Civil Service all these awards son of a Methodist minister. And he talks about prophecies. And so Robert Morris Page said the authenticity of the writing of the prophets, though the men themselves are human, is established by such things as the prediction of highly significant events far in the future. That could be accomplished only through a knowledge obtained from a realm which is not subject to the laws of time as we know them. One of the great evidences is the long series of prophecies concerning Jesus, the Messiah. These prophecies extend hundreds of years prior to the birth of Christ. They include a vast amount of detail concerning Christ himself, his nature, the things he would do when he came, things which to the natural world or to the scientific world remain to this day completely inexplicable. So these are very smart men saying that the chance that these could come to pass and that you could have these writings about him that he fulfilled in detail. And now one of the other things I find fascinating is what's called extra biblicalidence of the Gospel. What's extra biblical? That's stuff that's not in the Bible, yet it proves the gospel. And so Dr Gary Habermas of Liberty University cataloged over 3,400 sources of early church history.
Speaker 2:These are secular historians, roman governors, you know Roman different positions, and they're writing about Christians and Christianity, sometimes negatively. And yeah, there's this group that's just obstinate and they claim that their leader, Christus, who had died, is alive again, and so they have this superstition that he rose from the dead. And they're saying this within just a few years after the resurrection. So the people, oh well, over over the centuries they embellished it and it wasn't until you know the consul in isaiah that they know this was immediately after. And these are josephus, from 37 to 100 ad. Uh, and he was a jew that was hired by the romans to write the history of the jewish people that the romans had wiped. They're like we're done with this rebellious group of people Right Sort of this obituary of the Jewish. So Joseph.
Speaker 2:And then another is Suetonius, 70 to 160 AD. Now there's plenty of the younger 61 to 113. Another is Tacitus, 58 to 120. Another, mara Bar-Sephion, 72 AD. Lucian, 125, and then the Babylonian Talmud.
Speaker 2:And so these are ancient documents that are not Bible, but when you piece them together that they would say things like you know, one would say that his followers claimed that, you know, three days he was, he had risen again. Another would say that they won't burn incense to the emperor. Another would say that Christ, you know, was a descendant of David. But you take all these extra biblical sources together and, like a puzzle piece, you can put together the whole gospel story. And so this is not something that was made up. This is something that goes all the way back.
Speaker 2:And then the fact that 11 of the 12 apostles were martyred and the 12th one, john john, was thrown in a pot of oil. They tried to kill him, but he survived. That. You don't go to your death protecting a lie, yeah, right, and one of them would have at least broke and uh, and they were torturous deaths. Peter was crucified upside down, and and then a lot of the disciples were martyred. And so here you have people that are willing to die for their faith. So there's enough evidence, and that's why Josh McDowell wrote the book Evidence that Demands a Verdict. That, like, wait a second, this isn't just a story that somebody made up, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, dr Federer, you know something that you said that kind of just triggered something in me. I was thinking about how you said you wouldn't go to your death defending a lie. But if you think about it, before Jesus was crucified there was only one of the disciples that stuck with him the whole way, but he was the only one that actually wasn't martyred, and it's amazing, though, how all of them fled the scene. But then, after they had an encounter with God on the day of Pentecost, in Acts chapter two, from that point on, these men begin to carry the gospel in a way that they carried it to their graves, literally to their martyrdom graves, and I just think that's completely awesome.
Speaker 1:I never thought about that. I was like, wow, even that would show something changed in their lives, because they deviated for a moment. They kind of. You know, he said this day, you all are going to denounce me and go your separate ways, but then, you know, after they came back and got endued with power, everything was completely different in their world. You know, I want to kind of transition to something, because you have some things about the seven feasts of Israel and how Jesus fulfilled those on the day. Can you take us through that, seeing that we are in Passover land right now, passover season? Talk to us a little bit about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so 1400 BC is the general date that the children of Israel came out of Egypt, came into the promised land and Moses gets the law. And in the law there Leviticus 25, it lists seven major feasts that they're supposed to celebrate, and they're grouped in three and they're supposed to go to Jerusalem. Uh, you know, now, before they, when they're um wandering, they hadn't picked a city yet, you know. And then it was Shiloh for a while, but then it settled on Jerusalem. But the idea was, you went to wherever the tabernacle was, and you do it three times a year, and the first group is feast of Passover and leavened bread and feast of first fruits. Fifty days later is the feast of Pentecost, and then at the beginning of the harvest, and then at the end of the harvest is the feast of trumpets, day of atonement and the feast of tabernacles. So let's break this down. So the first is the feast of Passover, what's that? That's when the Pharaoh was ordering the infant boys to be thrown into the Nile River, and so God told the Pharaoh let my people go. And they didn't. And so the response was God having 10 plagues, and the 10th one was similar to the Pharaoh's command, and it was that God was going to slay the firstborn of all the Egyptians. And so each Hebrew family was to kill a lamb and put the blood over the doorposts of their house. What's that? So here you have the angel of judgment coming. The angel of judgment coming, and the lamb's blood said that judgment has already been paid for. The lamb took the judgment and died, and here's the proof of it. And so this house has already been judged. You can pass over. And so it's called the Passover, and obviously that's foreshadowing Jesus, that he took the judgment. So we will not be judged. And so Exodus 12, 8 gives instructions they shall eat the flesh of the Passover lamb that night, roast with fire, unleavened bread and bitter herbs. They shall eat it. So the Jews, the Hebrews the word Jew comes from the word the tribe of Judah, but that was all the Israelites. Jacob's name was changed to Israel. He had 12 sons, and so the Israelites. But after you know, 10 tribes were taken captive to Assyria, 722 BC, and then the tribe of Judah was taken captive to Babylon but came back, and so there's still other tribes sort of mixed in, but we call them all Jews now, and that goes to the Judah Anyway. So when Jesus was crucified, that night they celebrated the Passover meal. He was that night, they celebrated the Passover meal.
Speaker 2:Now, the Jews, their day begins at sunset and goes to the next sunset. So our day, you know, begins at dawn, but really it begins with 12.01 am and so, but the Hebrew day began as soon as the sun set to when the next sunset. So, jesus, the sun sets, jesus and his apostles celebrate the Passover meal, and then he goes to the garden, sweats drops of blood, he's arrested, taken to Caiaphas' house, then taken to Pilate right, and then he's crucified, probably around 9 am, and then he hangs on the cross till around 3 pm and they take him down and then put him in the tomb. And then they say we have to take him down before the sun sets. And then so Jesus celebrated the Passover meal and died as the Passover lamb on the same day, and it was the, in Hebrew it's the 15th day of the month of Nisan. And so the very day that the Hebrews, you know, israelites were celebrating Passover, jesus died as the Passover lamb, taking the judgment of our sins. The apostle Paul said 1 Corinthians 5, 7, for even Christ, our Passover, is sacrificed for us. And then John the Baptist saw Jesus and said behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world. So he's the Passover lamb.
Speaker 2:Justin Martyr, who was a church leader after John he lived 100 to 165 AD he said the lamb was commanded to be wholly roasted, a symbol of the suffering of the cross which Christ would undergo. For the lamb is roasted and dressed up in the form of a cross, for one spit is transfixed right through the lower part, up to the head, and one across the back, to which are attached the legs of the lamb. So in other words, they would take the lamb and then, you know, open up its chest and then you know, tie it up to the like a cross and then stick it over the fire. And so it roasted. But it was the most cruel death that the romans could come up with. So we use the word excruciating pain, while excruciate comes from cruciate or crucify. And so Dr Alexander Metherell wrote the pain was absolutely unbearable. In fact it was literally beyond words to describe. They had to invent a new word excruciating. Literally, excruciating means out of the cross. So the Romans, it was no fun just to kill somebody, let's drag it out, let's make them suffer.
Speaker 2:Cicero wrote crucifixion was the most cruel and hideous of all tortures. Historian Will Durant wrote even the Romans pitied the victims. And so now, when you read Isaiah 53, which foretells the Messiah's suffering, surely he has took our pain and bore our suffering. Yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions. He was crushed for our transgressions. He was crushed for our iniquities. The punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter and as a sheep before its shearers is silent. He was cut off from the land of the living for the transgression of my people. He was punished, yet it was the Lord's will to crush him and cause him to suffer. The Lord makes his life an offering for sin. My righteous servant will justify many and he will bear their iniquity, for he bore the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressor. So Jesus took the punishment that you and I deserved in our place.
Speaker 2:And so that's the first feast, it's Passover, and then the next day, the Jews, from Moses on, celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Now, leaven is yeast and it's symbolic of sin. And so, on this day, the Jews would get all the yeast out of their house and brush it out. And some of the super orthodox ones would go through a feather and a spoon and they would, like you know, get it out of their homes. Ones would go through a feather and a spoon and they would, like you know, get it out of their homes. And so no sourdough bread starter, everything's gone there.
Speaker 2:And so on the exact feast of unleavened bread, jesus was in the tomb and the scripture is he who taketh away the sins of the world. So he took the sin out of the world. The apostle Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 5, 6, know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out, therefore, the old leaven. Let us keep the feast not with the old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. So we have this Passover and then Jesus dies as the Passover lamb on the exact feast of Passover, the feast of unleavened bread and sin. Jesus is in the tomb on that day. And then the question is well, what did Jesus experience when he was?
Speaker 1:dead. Oh wait, dr Bill, let me stop for a second. So okay, the Feast of Eliezer is a day after Passover, and so when Jesus died, he was actually removing the sin, the leaven out of the world. He fulfilled that part of it. Is that what I'm hearing? I've heard a lot of different things. I've never heard that him being the. You know. I've heard of Jesus fulfilling Passover, pentecost, and then I've heard about tabernacles still yet to be fulfilled, but I've never heard that him being removed out, like when he left. Obviously, he went during those times which you're about to explain. He was fulfilling the Feast of Unleavened Bread and taking a stand. That's outstanding. He was fulfilling the Feast of Unleavened Bread and taking the sin out.
Speaker 2:That's outstanding. Yeah, and there's one place in the book of Acts where Paul said I have to get to Jerusalem in time for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. And then another one was you know, Herod was going to kill Peter the apostle, but wanted to wait till after the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Well, so they're talking about the Passover, the first three feasts of the year. So we have Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, and then on the third day it's the Feast of Firstfruits. But I wanted to mention one thing.
Speaker 2:You know there's a lot of theologians and I don't have the answer, but the question is what did Jesus experience when he was dead? Jesus himself Matthew 12, said no sign will be given except the sign of the prophet Jonah, for his Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the great fish. So the Son of man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. And so, since Jesus himself is referring to Jonah, if we go back and read Jonah, Jonah prayed unto the Lord out of the fish's belly, out of the belly of hell, cried I, and thou heardest my voice. Thou hast cast me into the deep, into the midst of the seas. The floods compass me about all thy billows and thy waves pass over me. And then you get this insight where a day with the lord is as a thousand years. Jesus experienced that that day as if it was a thousand years, um, you know, in the spiritual dimension, and um, so that's why he was sweating drops of blood. Um, yeah right, wow, I might get into a little bit more of that later.
Speaker 2:And then the next day is the Feast of Firstfruits and it marks the beginning of the harvest, and the first thing to grow was the winter barley, and it would just pop up out of the ground and they would have the first little shoots of it and in order to dedicate the upcoming harvest to the Lord, they would cut off those first shoots. And then we take them and wave them before the Lord. And so, Leviticus 23, when you enter the land and reap the harvest, then you shall bring in the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest. The priest shall wave the sheaf before the Lord. So Jesus rose from the dead on the exact feast of first fruits, and the apostle Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15, but now is Christ risen from the dead and become the first fruits of them? That slept, but every man in his order, Christ, the first fruits after word, they that are Christ at his coming.
Speaker 2:And so there's this passage that I'd love to see included in Jesus movies. It says when Jesus died, it says there was an earthquake, yes, yes, and the curtain of the temple was rent from top to bottom. And then it says that the earth quaked and the rocks broke and the graves were opened. And then it says that after the resurrection, many of those that had slept arose and walked through Jerusalem and were seen by many. So Jesus was the first fruits, but then some of those ancient saints that had been buried there, they came up right and so they were after Christ. But you could just imagine the scene in Jerusalem, right? It's like oh.
Speaker 2:I miss Joe so bad Hi. Mom Just wanted to say hi before.
Speaker 2:I go up to heaven, you know and and then um, jonah, since jesus referred to jonah, uh, he says uh, thou has brought my life up from corruption. Uh, that was brought up, my life from corruption. Oh, lord, my god, when my soul fainted within me, I remember the lord. My prayer went up to you into your holy temple. Salvation is of the lord. So the lord spoke to the fish and it vomited Jonah onto dry land. And now, with the resurrection, the gospel has the fact that Jesus appeared to the women first. Now, this is important because if you were going to make up a story, you would make it up with Jesus appearing to the high priest and to the most respected people of the day. You wouldn't make it so.
Speaker 2:Josephus even included in Antiquity of the Jews he said the first century legal policy. He says let not the testimony of women be admitted. So women couldn't even testify in court, right, I mean, they were not taken serious. But here Jesus appeared to a woman. So nobody that was going to fabricate a story would have done that. Yet Jesus wanted to elevate the position of a woman and say look, I'm going to appear to the woman first.
Speaker 1:And so so then, hey, dr Bill, is there a possibility that, because you know the Bible says I believe it is, and I want to say it's Galatians, where it says that in Christ he made one new man, where there's neither male nor female? Is that one of the reasons why? Also is because he was appearing to women saying listen, I know, at one point in the old law men and women were not considered equal, but in this new covenant all men and women are created equal. Is there a possibility? That's where he was going with that as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you know. I read in Genesis, chapter five, where it says these are the generations of Adam in the day God created him, male and female created he then, and he called their name Adam. So God made Adam in his image. And then he put Adam to sleep and he took a rib, but the Hebrew word for rib is side. So he put Adam to sleep and he took out rib, but the Hebrew word for rib is side. So he put Adam to sleep and he took out the side of him, right. So Adam woke up the next day and said I'm half the man I used to be. And he took out what. All the intuition, the motherly nurturing, the, the verbal, uh, relationship skills. I mean all of that, that, that sixth sense, that women have that intuition where they know the kid's about to fall off the counter you know, and, and guys are sort of like you know, sink or swim, kid, you know, go out there and the mother's like and um, uh.
Speaker 2:And so then he brings Eve to Adam and you read it he's God's a creator. And so, when you think of it, what's the last thing God ever created? Well, according to the creation story, it was man. But what's the last last thing? Well, it was woman. Right, if you're a creator and it's the last thing you're going to create, are you just going to throw some paint on the wall and be done, or are you wanting to show off your creative genius? But you want it. You want somebody to admire it. I mean, it's one thing having a house full of paintings and you're the only one that sees them, right. And so he brings eve to adam, almost like showing off how good. And and when you think of it, what's the? The object of most art? It's a woman.
Speaker 2:They're selling a muffler, they got a pretty girl up there, that's true. And so I think that the most. And when I wrote a book on the history of Islam and you see the way women are treated, it says you know, the man can have four wives, a woman can have four husbands, and all the guy has to do to divorce his wife is say I divorce you three times, and she's out the door. And then you look at some of the far eastern Hindu Buddhists where the women have to walk behind the man, and you look at—so most of the false religions. They treat women like trash. I saw a picture one time National Geographic. There was a guy smoking a cigarette and behind him is a pile of sticks and it says you know, an Albanian Muslim man and his wife. I'm like, where's the?
Speaker 1:wife.
Speaker 2:You look under the sticks is this woman hunched over and their sticks are on her back and she's got this rope and she's, you know, pulling it it and she's walking up the road while he's smoking a cigarette. She's a pack animal, right? When my daughter she went on a mission trip to Thailand and they witnessed to these girls to get them out of prostitution and they have a Tamar center to help them to, you know, weave baskets and sell them to try to make a living and she said, yeah, they would tell the girls that if you're a really good prostitute, in your next life you get to be reincarnated as a man.
Speaker 2:My wife said that's from going from bad to worse, but but so. So when Jesus said in the beginning God made them male and female, and the man shall leave the father, mother and cleave to the wife, and the man shall leave the father, mother and cleave to the wife and the two shall be one, he didn't say the three, four, five, six, a harem of no, the two shall be. That elevates the woman to equality with man, right. So there's one man and one woman and they're together for life. And so when God said he made man in his image, and he took Eve out and brought Eve back, and God said the two shall be one, and it says God called their name Adam, god's still calling him Adam.
Speaker 2:From God's point of view, the two halves are one. So so we're. We're individually made in God's image, but in some miraculous, mysterious way the union of a man and a woman is also in the image of God, and that's why the devil always wants to attack marriage, wants to attack us made in the image of God, but he also wants to attack marriage. There's something about that that reflects God, and anyway that's outstanding.
Speaker 1:You know I want to go back to. This is just really intriguing to me of how obviously I've always known that Jesus fulfilled and died on the day of Passover at the same time that the high priest was crucifying that lamb. Jesus was being crucified not crucified, but he was killing the lamb. And then to have you said, then was the next day unleavened bread, and then the third day was the first fruits were Jesus' resurrection. Now, according to the calendar, dr Bill, nisan 15 was this past Sunday and so that means technically the day of unleavened bread was Monday and then Wednesday would be the feast of first fruits, correct?
Speaker 2:Do I have my math right? Yeah, there's an enormous amount of study into the three days and trying to fit in the Friday, saturday, sunday, and was it actually an extra day in there? And so that brings us to Constantine. So for the first three centuries of Christianity you had Jews celebrating Passover and Christians would ask the Jews, when is Passover going to be celebrated this year? And the Jews would tell the Christians, and that's when the Christians would celebrate the resurrection. You know the, the, the, the passion of Christ, the crucifixion, the burial and the resurrection. But we would be asking the Jews about it. Well, uh, constantine, uh, stopped the persecution of Jews and he made a decision. He wanted a day to unify the Christian Roman Empire. A little trivia Julius Caesar conquers Persia, the Holy Land, egypt, and he wants a date. He wants to unite the world.
Speaker 2:And they were all using different calendars, many of them based on the lunar calendar, and even the Roman calendar was lunar for a while and the beginning of the year was in March and we would begin the year with March and basically the spring equinox. And so September is Latin for seven, sept is seven. Uh, uh, sept is seven. Act like octagon eight sided. October was Latin for eight, no was Latin for nine, and December decimal is Latin for 10. And, and, julius Caesar, you got rid of the lunar calendars, made it a solar, and then he moved the beginning of the year to January 1st and he named the old fifth month, quintilius, after himself and called it July after Julius Caesar. The next emperor, augustus Caesar, named the sixth month after himself and called it August Augustus Caesar. But they wanted those days to have, uh, 31 days, because they're they're important. So they took a day from the old end of the calendar, february. So that's why february has 28 days and july and august have 30. But but here you have emperors wanting to readjust the calendar to unify the roman emperor.
Speaker 2:So now we fast forward to the fourth century, constant time, and he wants to unify a Christian Roman Empire, and the most important day is Easter, a resurrection. And so he decides he wants it on a Sunday. Well, this means that we got to stop asking the Jews when is Passover? This, because Passover could be any day of the week. It was based on their Hebrew lunar calendar, so it could be on a Tuesday, it could be on a Thursday, it could be any day of the week.
Speaker 2:It was based on their, their hebrew, lunar calendar, so it could be on a tuesday, it could be on a thursday, it could be any day of the week, but um, and so this is called the quarto de simian controversy. You had the christians that wanted to stick with the jewish roots, and now the gentile christians that were more political and they're like okay, whatever, you just be happy that he wants to have a unified day for all the Christians to celebrate, and it really doesn't matter what day it is. And so Constantine came up with the new formula the Easter would be the first Sunday after the first full moon, after the spring equinox.
Speaker 2:The first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox, and then he said that anybody that stuck with the old way is excommunicated. It's like okay. And there actually was a group that continued to celebrate Easter, and they were so. Encyclopedia Britannica explained the Quarto de Simeon. Controversy ended with the switching of Easter from the traditional Jewish Passover to a particular Sunday of the new formula.
Speaker 2:Polycarp, the disciple of St John, the Evangelist and Bishop of Smyrna, visited Rome 159 AD to confer with Ancilius, the bishop of that see On the subject. He earned the tradition, which he had received from the apostles, of observing Easter. The resurrection on the 14th day of the Jewish month of Nisan. A final settlement of the dispute was one among the other reasons that Constantine summoned the consul in 325 AD. The decision of the consul was unanimous that Easter should be kept on Sunday, and that the same Sunday throughout the world, and that none should hereafter follow the blindness of the Jews. So that was it. And so now, whenever Easter falls on the Jewish feasts, we're like, wow, what a coincidence, those feasts line up. But no, they were supposed to line up from the beginning. And now we're beginning to ask ourselves was it all that necessary? I mean, couldn't you still have a special church service on Sunday, but keep the Passover to be lining up with Jesus fulfilling the Passover.
Speaker 2:And so here's what Peter Schaff wrote in History of Christian Church At Nicaea, the Roman and Alexandrian usage with respect to Easter triumphed and the Judaizing practices of the Quarto de Simeons, who always celebrated Easter on the 14th day of Nisan. Passover became thenceforth a heresy. And so this was the beginning of the Gentile church splitting away from the Jewish church which, again today, we ask ourselves, was it all that necessary? Couldn't we have just, you know, emphasized that Jesus fulfilled it and still had a special service on Sunday?
Speaker 1:But you know you take a look at that, dr Federer. But now in this day and hour you see a lot of the Gentiles trying to link back up with the Jews and the Jews back with the Gentiles. So we're kind of coming back full circle. Now A lot of people are getting into celebrating more of the feast. There's been more of a kind of an inquiry of what does all this stuff mean, and people are. There's a lot of people that now have church services on Saturday just because they're trying to observe the Sabbath. So it's kind of funny how they split. But now we see a lot of people coming back together.
Speaker 1:You know I wanted to take some time here because I know we could stay there for quite a while. You know, I know we could go into Pentecost and into Tabernacles. But I want to do something as well, because before we go into the Pentecost piece, you started off in 1400 BC all the way to the day of Pentecost and talked about how all of that time God was making things happen through Pax Romana, the Roman roads, all those types of things to lead us that the gospel could go out for the disciples. And I just think during this time it'd be great to hear that, because you know we're coming into the time where we're celebratingter resurrection sunday, and just what god had set up, so then the gospel could get out right.
Speaker 2:So jesus rose from the dead and he told his disciples tarry in jerusalem until you be endued with power from on high. And so they are there, and 40 days later the holy spirit comes, and they're filled with the Holy Spirit, and then you know, actually the Pentecost, that would be 50 days later, and but Jesus ascended 40 days. So they had the 10 days there without Jesus before the Holy Spirit came. So when I, you know, in reading history, I asked the question why did Jesus come when he did? Why didn't he come today? Why didn't he come? You know, in reading history, I asked the question why did jesus come when he did? Why didn't he come today? Why didn't he come, you know, in the 1930s? Why didn't he come, you know? And so if you piece together, it's almost like god strategically designed the world for the rapid spread of a message. So let's pick it up. So in 1400 BC is when Moses and the Israelites come out of Egypt. They get the law that says you're going to have these seven feasts, and three times a year you're going to go to the tabernacle, which would be Jerusalem eventually. And but then you have 722 BC. The 10 Northern tribes of Israel had sinned and Assyria came down and took them away and scattered them, and so they're called the 10 lost tribes. But now you have pockets of Jews scattered around the world. And then, 509 BC, the Roman Republic is founded. In 509 BC, the Roman Republic is founded and they, around 312 BC, begin the Appian Way and the Roman road system, which eventually the phrase all roads lead to Rome, and they now had this the entire Mediterranean world and even to Paris and Europe, knit together with Rhodes. And then you have Alexander the Great, and around 333 BC, he conquers the whole known world, right from Greece to the Holy Land, to Egypt, all the way to India, and he spreads the Greek language. It's called Hellenizing because a Hell and a Troy, but it's spreading the Greek language. And so now you have pockets of people around the world, you have a road system that can get all around the world and you have a common language. You know, I talk to people who you know were, one couple of weeks ago, a lady. She grew up in Papua New Guinea and she said her parents spent, you know, like 40 years translating some books of the Bible into a particular language there, and so the fact that the whole world could speak Greek. It was, like you know. This was a great benefit to spreading the gospel.
Speaker 2:And then, 285 BC, the Egyptians had the largest library in the world in Alexandria, and the head of it was a guy named Ptolemy and he wanted to get all the best books of the Bible and translate them into Greek and have them in his library there in Alexandria, egypt. And so he got 70 scholars to translate the entire Old Testament into Greek. It's called the Septuagint, and again, sept means seven or 70. So it was 70 scholars. So now you had pockets of Jews around the world, you had a road system that they could travel, you had a Greek language and now you got the scriptures, the Old Testament scriptures, in Greek. And then, 27 BC, you have the Pax Romana. It's a 100-year world peace.
Speaker 2:And so, 33 AD, jesus dies, resurrected, the Holy Spirit's poured out on the Feast of Pentecost and they hear them all speaking in their own tongues. And then what do they do At the end of the week? They go back to their homes, they travel on those roads and they meet people along the way that they can speak to in the Greek trade language, and then they can open up the Greek Septuagint and they can show that these prophecies from centuries before were fulfilled with Christ. And then it spread the gospel. In one week's time, the gospel of the resurrection of Christ went from Jerusalem to the entire known world. And if any one of those things were missing, I mean, if there's wars, how are you going to spread the gospel, if people are fighting to the death? Hey, I want to tell you about something. It's like, yeah, not right now. There was a peace, there were roads, there was a language, there were pockets of Jews already in these countries reading the Greek Septuagint and that you could go to and say, hey, you've been reading this for centuries. Here we got the news of the fulfillment of it.
Speaker 2:God strategically set up the world for the rapid spread of a message before the first coming of Christ.
Speaker 2:Up the world for the rapid spread of a message before the first coming of Christ, and now we see it being repeated right. So after Christ and the church spread, then you got what Attila the Hun, and he goes through and wipes out entire cities across Europe. And then you have the Muslims. They conquered all of Christian North Africa, all of Christian Middle East into Turkey. The Byzantine Empire falls and they hold back ships of papyrus. So there's a paper shortage in Europe, and so Europe is now illiterate and the Bible's in Latin. But we don't have a printing press yet. So every Bible is—Martin Luther did not even read the Bible until after he became a priest. Right, it was a common thing, and so the world was not spread up for the rapid spread of a message, but one by one the printing press was invented, you know. And then you've got you know today, with you know, telephones, and I even saw they have an ear pod that can hear somebody speaking in a language and it'll translate it into your language in real time.
Speaker 1:Dr Bill, I think we have a picture of that too. We wanted to bring that up because when you mentioned it, I thought that's outstanding. Go ahead. So there's a picture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's fascinating with AI technology. And then I was at the National Rel be watching you on their screen and they can click a button and you're teaching in arabic, and then they click another button you're teaching in japanese, you're teaching in german, you're teaching in russian, and it's your voice and it's your lips moving and your, your emotion and your right, but it's and and so with ai we've literally, and so the wickliffe bible transfer I was telling you about, they have an ai program called draft one, and all they need is is the sounds and then the words, so and they can create an entire written language, and and so we, we literally are facing the first time in world history where the gospel, literally, is this close to being in every language in the world. This gospel shall be preached to all nations and then the end shall come. We're getting really close, and anyway. So before Christ's first coming, the world was set up for a rapid spread of a message, and I believe, before Christ's second coming, the world is set up for the rapid spread of a message.
Speaker 2:And I believe, before Christ's second coming, the world is set up for the rapid spread of message. Why? Because God wants to give. Basically, the call is going out. Whoever wants to be saved, this is your last call, right? And so I think that God, it's not his will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hell was created for the devil and his angels. It wasn should come to repentance. Hell was created for the devil and his angels. It wasn't created for humans. It was created for the devil and his angels, and the only humans that you go there are the ones that follow the devil and his angels.
Speaker 1:But we want to bring the gospel of truth and anyway, and do you believe that's the AI and the technology and all that? That's what God is really almost like how the Roman road was paved and the Septuagint was developed. This AI and this technology that's going out is going to give us the opportunity to give that one final push in order to see the gospel preached, so then we can speed this thing up and get it out quickly before Christ comes back again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Now, every advancement in technology is a two edged sword.
Speaker 1:You can print the Bible but they can print pornography.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, you have these great satellites and you can. You can broadcast gospel messages and they can broadcast, you know, X-rated stuff and and it's one of these things where God's the creator and the devil is the perverter. And you know, the apostle Paul comes into town and he preaches and there's a revival. But give it a couple of years and you got the Judaizers coming, you got the Greeks who no longer can sell their little idols, and they raise up a crowd to stone Paul to death, Right. So God comes in and does the harvesting, and but it's, it's a harvest period, a season, and then you got, you know, the birds of the air come immediately to steal the seeds that were sown, and it's a race for time for souls. But I think that God is using us in a powerful way and it's exciting.
Speaker 1:You know, before I let you go your book Believe. I want you to take a minute. We talked about this earlier and you kind of gave a whole rundown for the gospel and you shared some things that I wanted my wife to hear. I'm sure she's probably tuning in. You talked about the whole process of the gospel, how it started all the way in Adam and Eve and how God being sovereign and how he has to judge angels but there's a love relationship between him and man and about the involuntary If we get into God's presence, we involuntary act versus a voluntary act that makes like robot. I mean, can you take a minute in our last moments here and kind of talk about that, because I also want to push your books.
Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, you need to get your hands on Dr Federow. He's published over 30 books, as you can hear. He is a wealth of knowledge. He just rattles this stuff off. He's very well studied. There's so much information, but I wanted you to take some time to talk about that that you shared with me earlier, which I just thought was completely outstanding.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, this is what I like talking about the most. But the big question is why did God make us in the first place? I mean, he made everything in 2003,. They focused the powerful Hubble telescope on a spot in the sky where there was nothing. Uh, the size was? It was the size of a grain of sand held between your fingers at arm's length, against the night sky. Tiny spot, nothing there.
Speaker 2:After 11 days they developed the images. In that tiny spot was 10,000 galaxies with hundreds of billions of stars in each galaxy. It's called the Hubble Ultra Deep Space Field you can Google it right and every dot is a galaxy with hundreds of billions of stars. And then they launched the james webb telescope a few years ago and you can see the red shift because it's an infrared telescope. And what does this mean? Light travels in waves, with blue being the fastest and the shortest wave and red being the longest wave. So when you're seeing the red shift, the doppler effect, you're seeing these galaxies moving away from us. They now estimate the observable universe is 93 billion light years across and still expanding at the speed of light.
Speaker 2:And the largest star they found is Stevenson 2-18. It's a super gas giant. It's so large. If you were to place Stevenson 2-18 in our solar system, it would engulf the orbit of Saturn, the sixth planet from the sun. We're the third planet.
Speaker 2:Could you imagine one single star, that enormous? God made it all and he made you. Why would he make you? What could you possibly offer a being that is that powerful? Nothing, except maybe something. What's a galaxy? Anyway? It's a bunch of rocks hot rocks, cold rocks, molten rocks, vaporized rocks. A rock cannot love you. So it's almost like at some time in eternity past. God said to himself been there, done that. I can make everything. I would really like someone in my image that could love me.
Speaker 2:Now it gets interesting, because love, by definition, must be voluntary. The moment it's forced, it evaporates. So in the context of everything, god controls time, matter, space, energy he intentionally created one tiny thing. He does not control your will. Now, he could control it if he wanted to, but that would defeat the very reason he made us different than everything else, and he doesn't need your love. He's not incomplete and your love somehow completes him. He doesn't need your love, but he wants it. Parents don't need the love of their children, but they want it, and the more you love somebody, the more you want that somebody to love you back. God loves you infinitely. He has an infinite desire for you to love him back. But he'll never force you, because the moment he would force you, he himself would know he's forcing you and he would know your response is not a love response. So he'll never force you.
Speaker 2:You know you're made in God's image. What's the most important thing in your life? Well, somewhere near the top of the list, it's loving and being loved. Well, if we're made in God's image, could it be that loving and being loved is a big deal to God? Now, god loves everything he created, but the question is could what he created love him back? Galaxies can't love. Rocks can't love. Electrons can't love animals. Follow instinct.
Speaker 2:If you look up the word angel in the Bible, it appears 289 times. Not one time is the word love used to describe an angel's relationship with God. They worship God, they praise God, they glorify God. The word angel means messenger. They deliver God's messages, they deliver God's judgments. Angels cannot forgive. God told Moses I'm sending my angel with you into the promised land and you better obey him because he's not going to overlook your offenses. They sang when the stars were created, they rejoiced when a sinner conversed.
Speaker 2:Jesus says I'll confess you before the angels. They're heavenly witnesses, but they're not made in god's image. And jesus did not die on the cross for angels. They were made for a purpose. What purpose were you made for? We're not very smart and we're not powerful. Well, a king can have a castle with really powerful soldiers, and then he can have children.
Speaker 2:Well, guess what? The word love is used all throughout the Bible to describe men and women's relationship with God. Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. Psalms 91,. Because he said is love upon me, therefore I will deliver him. Jesus rose from the dead and said Peter, do you love me?
Speaker 2:We are beings uniquely created with the ability to love God back. But for love to be love, it must be voluntary. He'll never force us, and I was thinking about how can God give us free will to love him back but him still be in control of everything? Well, god created light. Light is a photon, which is a perpendicular wave in the electromagnetic field that travels at 186,000 miles per second, and Einstein's theory of relativity is the closer you could travel, approaching the speed of light for you, time would slow down. And if you could travel the speed of light, for you time would slow down. And if you could travel the speed of light, for you time would stand still. Well, god created light. He's faster than light. So for God time stands still.
Speaker 2:We'll never comprehend that, but there is a verse in the Bible that says a day with the Lord is as a thousand years. Imagine experiencing one day as if it was a thousand years. In other words, we're living in slow motion compared to God. God exists in the ever-present. Now I am, that I am, and when you're in his presence, you cannot think about the past, you cannot think about the future, you can't even think, you just experience. I'm in the presence of all the power and all the love and all the judgment all at once. I mean, it's incomprehensible.
Speaker 2:So for God to create our reality, he had to take now and stretch it out and slow it down, and so we make our little free will decisions in time. But he is outside of time, and so I was trying to think of a way of explaining it. You have GPS on your phone. You make a wrong turn, it recalculates. What if the guy in the car next to you is making a wrong turn at the same time and his is recalculating. What if everybody in the city is making wrong turns and it's all recalculating at the same time? What if everybody in the world is making? So we make good decisions, we make bad decisions.
Speaker 2:God's outside of time. He can readjust every electron and every quark and every variable in the universe before he lets time move forward to the next nano frame. So time is moving. Jesus says I'm the first and last beginning in the end, alpha and the omega. So it's moving, but he's outside, so he can readjust it. So we get to make our little free will decisions, but we're moving so incredibly slow.
Speaker 2:He can readjust everything else and we sort of know that God's in charge of time, because if you're with somebody at some moment and you say this is not a coincidence, this is a providence that you and I are here right now, this is a God-ordained moment, and you feel the goosebumps go up and down your back that God planned this moment. And God, because God's outside of time. God himself, right, father, son, the Holy Ghost can be with each of us all the time. Right, the Father, son, the Holy Ghost can be with each of us all the time. The Father, son, the Holy Spirit in their entirety can be with each of us all the time, each one of us. And God has a plan for our life and we can yield to it and walk in the fullness of it because we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works.
Speaker 2:But we can fudge and some say, well, I'll produce 30-fold, some 60-fold, some 100-fold. Or we can harden our heart and say, god, I'm not going to do it there. And he's like fine, I'll use somebody else, I'm going to get my will done. Like Mordecai told Esther if you don't let God use you, he'll raise up somebody else. He's going to get his will done. And then we can repent and say, god, I blew it, give me another chance. And guess what? He can rearrange every electron to give you another chance. And so we make our free will decisions in time. But he's outside of time. He can readjust everything. And then there's so he creates us as free will beings that can love him back. He creates time, so we have our free will, but he's still in control. So the book of Revelation is going to take place right the way he said it is. It's just how you get there might be a little different depending on how we respond to him, but he controls all the variables.
Speaker 2:Third, he has to hide himself behind his creation because he is so incredibly awesome. If he were to appear to you, your response would be involuntary. I mean number one he is all love. It's easy to love somebody that loves you. He's irresistible love. You would immediately love him back and he wouldn't know if it's you loving him or just responding to the fact that he's completely irresistible, like when you're in heaven and you see all the glory. It's going to be easy to love God.
Speaker 2:It's when you don't feel his presence and you choose to love him that that is really love. To love him, that that is really love. Right, when Jesus was with the Father for eternity past and he was always with the Father. And then when he's on the cross and the Father turns his back on him because he takes the sin of the world upon himself and Jesus said my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? It's the first time Jesus didn't. But Jesus chose to say Father, not my will, but thine be done. That was Jesus loving the Father back, right. So it's when there's no fruit on the vine, when the fig tree doesn't blossom and you choose to love God even though you feel nothing, that's when it's really you loving him back and not just you responding to somebody that loves you, right, and so people say, oh, I don't feel the love anymore. Well, if you continue to love, even when you don't feel the love, that's when it's really love, that's when you are really loving that.
Speaker 2:So so why does God have to hide himself? So God has to hide himself behind his creation again because he's so awesome. Creation Again because he's so awesome. I mean, here's a being that creates a trillion, trillion sons. If he appeared to you, your response would be like the apostle John in the book of Revelation I fell at his feet is dead right, if you didn't melt. It would be an involuntary response, and God's like I can do involuntary responses all eternity long. He is completely awesome, he said. But he said I'm interested in this voluntary response, this love response. So he has to hide himself.
Speaker 2:People say, if God's real, why doesn't he show himself? Because the moment he shows himself, your free will is gone. In the presence of all the power in the universe. Boom, you'd be down. And so the same hiding of himself that allows us to have free will necessitates that we have faith. People say I wish I could see you know god, I wish I could see the future. Well, if you, if you knew the future, you wouldn't have to pray. Why? Why seek god and pray? I know what's going to happen. No, no, he wants you to seek him, not the future. Right and um. And so I was thinking of why God has to hide himself.
Speaker 2:For our response to be a love response, imagine a billionaire has a son who goes to college and he flies in on his private jet, drives up in his Lamborghini. He's got a Rolex watch, gold rings, fancy clothes. He's going to have every girl on campus wanting to meet him. But if he lays that aside and drives up in a clunker and he's got holes in his jeans, all the uppity girls are going to meet him. But if he lays that aside and drives up in a clunker and he's got holes in his jeans, all the uppity girls are going to ignore him. But then there's a girl that likes to study with him in the library and they eat together in the cafeteria and they become friends and she takes heat from the click for hanging around this nobody guy. But she believes in him. They fall in love, they get engaged and then one day he says I want to take you back to meet my dad and they're driving up to this castle mansion, the state and the girls like whoa, you didn't tell me about all this. He knows that she loves him, for him, not because of all of his stuff.
Speaker 2:If Jesus would have come in his glory, every political ladder climber would try to oh, I'm your friend, I'm your friend. If Jesus would have come in his glory, every political ladder climber would try to oh, I'm your friend, I'm your friend. No, he's born in a manger. He only wants those that love him for him, and so God creates us as free will beings that can love him back. He creates time, so we have our free will, but he's still in control. He hides himself so that we have an opportunity to use our free will. But there's one last thing he's just and he can't help it. He's just, which means he has to judge every sin. In mathematical equations there's constants and variables. In the equation of redemption, the constant is God is just, was is and forever will be just. That will never change. The variable is who takes the judgment, you or a substitute. And so God is just.
Speaker 2:He has to judge every sin because if he does not judge a sin by default, his silence would be giving consent to the sin. It's called the rule of tacit admission, t-a-c-i-t, and it's in a wedding ceremony, right Pastor says anyone against this wedding? Speak now or forever, hold your peace. If you're holding your peace and being silent, you're actually giving consent to the wedding. If there are sins and God is silent and not judging the sin by default, his silence would be giving consent to the sin. And if God gives consent to one sin one time, because he exists outside of time, he would be denying himself for all time and he cannot deny himself. So he could never be loved back so he could create free will beings that could love him, creates time, he's still in control, hides himself, but if we step out of line one time, he has to judge us. Because if he doesn't judge our sin, he's still in control, hides himself, but if we step out of line one time, he has to judge us. Because if he doesn't judge our sin, he's giving consent to our sin and he's denying his just nature. And he cannot deny his just nature. So he could never be loved back until he came up with a plan. He actually had the plan before he created the first electron, and the plan was his own son would become a man, and only as a man could God die on a cross to pay for our sins.
Speaker 2:Charles Wesley wrote the hymn Amazing love, how could it be that thou, my God, should die for me? So God is just in that he judges every sin, but he's loving that he provided the lamb to take the judgment for the sin. So Abraham and Isaac going to the top of Mount Moriah. And Isaac says, father, we have the wood for the sacrifice, we have the coals for the sacrifice, but where's the sacrifice? And Abraham says, son, god will provide himself a sacrifice. And it has a double meaning. I'm trusting God will have the ram up in the bush, but the other meaning is God will provide himself as the sacrifice. And that's what happened.
Speaker 2:Jesus, the second person of the Trinity, the only begotten son of God, in the plan of redemption that was hidden from ages. It was a hidden plan, it says. If the princes of this world had known, they never would have crucified the Lord of glory. The apostle Paul called it the mystery of the gospel, hidden from the foundations of the world, now revealed in us as saints. In this hidden plan, jesus, the Son of God, became man, became the Lamb and he took the wrath of a just God upon himself, on the cross in our place.
Speaker 2:You know, I read the book of Revelation a thousand times, listened to it on my iPhone a thousand times, still trying to figure it out. But one thing seems clear it's God that is pouring out the vials of judgment in the book of Revelation. Right, lamb breaks the seal, angel throws the censer. It's like. Why is that? Well, god's a just God. He has to judge every sin that he may not have judged along the way. So you can't get 10,000 years into eternity and have someone say, god, there was a sin way back when and you didn't judge it and you were silent. Were you giving consent to the sin? Is there a part of you that's unjust we didn't know about? Uh-uh, it says the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever and the angels cry out righteous and true are your judgments, o Lord. Nobody's going to question for the rest of eternity that God judged sin. But that's the final judgment. He won't do any more, judging for the rest of eternity. But in that sense Jesus had the equivalent of the book of Revelation judgment poured out on his head. Jesus took the judgment for every sin that everybody would ever do upon himself on the cross. He experienced it as if it was a thousand years. That's why he was sweating drops of blood.
Speaker 2:You know I have a degree in accounting, so I like things that balance. You take an eternal being, jesus, who is innocent, suffering for a finite, limited period of time. It's equal to all of us finite, limited beings who are guilty, suffering for an eternal period of time. It's equal to all of us finite, limited beings who are guilty, suffering for an eternal period of time. Let me say that again An eternal being that's innocent, suffering for a finite period of time, is equal to all of us finite beings who are guilty, suffering for an eternal period of time. Infinity times finite equals finite times. Infinity. An unlimited being suffering for a limited period of time is equal to all of us limited beings suffering for an unlimited period of time.
Speaker 2:Jesus suffered the equivalent of eternal damnation in all of our places. He's the only one who could have done it, and out of love for the Father and out of love for you and me. He became the Lamb. He took the wrath of a just God upon himself. It says in Isaiah 53, it pleased the Lord to crush him. The word Gethsemane means olive press. And then he rose from the dead to prove he was who he said he was. The lamb is God's way to love you without having to judge you. It's his way, in a sense, of getting around his own just nature so he can maintain that he is a just God, was, is and forever will be just.
Speaker 2:But he's a loving God and that he provided the lamb to take the judgment. The lamb slain from the foundations of the world. Then he fills us with the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity. And the Holy Spirit comes on the inside of us and reaches out through us to share the love of God with a hurting world. So people are drawn to you, but they're not drawn to you, they're drawn to the Holy Spirit inside of you that's pointing them to Christ, that through Christ they can be accepted by God. Right that all the judgment that we deserve was on Christ. He's the door, he's the way.
Speaker 2:So the God who created time arranged for you and those that are viewing for you to be viewing right now. God arranged all the time and whatever decisions you made to not doing something else. You wanted to watch. He arranged for you to be watching right now so that you could hear of his infinite love for you and how he infinitely desires you to love him back. But he'll never force you, because the moment he would force you, he himself would know he's forcing you and he'd know your response is not a love response. So he'll never force you. But he wants your love and he made a way that it's not based on you being good enough. It's based on you approaching him through the lamb that he provided so the lamb. So God can love you for the rest of eternity and you can love him back for the rest of eternity and not have to worry about being judged by him, because all the judgment you deserve went on Jesus and you are in Christ.
Speaker 1:Wow, dr Bill, I mean, ladies and gentlemen, we're going a little bit longer, but I am so mesmerized. I mean I wish I had time to break down every little thing. But my goodness, when you talked about the analogy of the boy that goes to school with their ratted up jeans even though I kind of think about that nowadays the ripped up jeans, people pay for those, but I knew where you're going with that with jeans and then keeps himself hidden, I mean, you know, and the funny thing about like you talk about the mystery of the gospel and how it's really true, because that's why, even when Jesus was there with Peter, he automatically became what he saw in Christ. Because when Peter was there, jesus said who do men say that I am? And so he rattled off a bunch of different things.
Speaker 1:Who do you say them? He said thou art the Christ, son of the living God. And he said now I tell you, flesh and blood has not revealed the son to you, but my father, which is in heaven. He said now, because you have seen my identity, you see yours. So the moment we see the revelation of Jesus Christ and who we are in him, we become just like him. So if God was to give us everything, then automatically we would conform to his image and light, which is why Jesus came speaking saying the father seeketh one that worshipeth him in spirit and in truth. And so that is the reason why we have to go through these trials and tribulations. We have to seek after and we have to live by faith, because he's proving if we are true worshipers or not. I mean, I could go on and on, dr bill. I mean, this is outstanding stuff that you're talking about. All of this is in your book, believe, am I right?
Speaker 1:yeah yes, wow, I mean this is just really, really good, but we're bringing it up on the screen right there to make sure that people can get that and get a hold. As a matter of fact, they can get your book at AmericanMinutecom all your books, correct?
Speaker 2:Right, right, you know, in electricity you have the two nodes and then it sparks across and it can get closer and closer, but they'll never touch, and so that the arc is faith. Without faith is impossible to please God. So people say, well, I gotta have it be absolutely proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt, It'll never get there because you wouldn't take faith. So so, God, there always has to be that, that leap of faith. You can get it real close, right, and and, and you can see the evidence. But there's always has to be that leap of faith. You can get it real close, right, and you can see the evidence. But there's always going to be that element of faith, because without faith it's impossible to please.
Speaker 1:That's the arc, and that's the place where we come into, where he begins to reveal himself to us as well. Oh, my goodness, I could go on and on with this. Real quick. My wife sent me a text. She wants to know what is your method for memorization how do you get to where you are?
Speaker 2:it's just repetition. I just talk about stuff over and over again and but, um, you know, I, you, you remember what you, what you like but still, though, I mean, you rattle off stuff.
Speaker 1:I mean, I was the dates from 1400 and 722, twenty two BC, five, oh, nine, three, thirty three, and I'm like man, we were talking earlier, ladies and gentlemen, before we even came on the air, about our no, actually, I think we're on there, we've been talking for a lot throughout the day, or whatever. You are mentioning all the different presidents in the days, in the years, and I'm like, oh goodness, this is outstanding. But you know, dr Federer, this has just been outstanding. I want to thank you for just taking time out of your schedule to come be with me here on Dimensions and to share so much. I mean, I've got a page full of just notes of different things that it just has just been outstanding and probably haven't even touched the tip of the iceberg of all the revelational knowledge that you have Is there. Is there anything else that you want to leave us with before I let you go?
Speaker 2:No, just you and Tiffany are doing an absolute tremendous work for the Lord. I'm so proud of you and I just want to encourage everybody that's viewing that Please follow, you know, pastor Jay, anthony, gilbert and Tiffany, and and drink up the living water that flows through them and draw closer to the Lord.
Speaker 1:Amen. Well, dr Bill I've already mentioned this, we've talked about it, ladies and gentlemen, he's going to be coming into Pittsburgh sometime, I'm not sure exactly when, but I've already got him. Lord willing, we're going to get him here and do some more stuff with him, because there's just so much that he has within him, and I got to go back and listen to this. I mean, we're over an hour and a half into this and, my goodness, I'm trying to remember everything that you shared, dr Bill. But thank you so much, and may God bless you, your family and we'll look forward to catching up with you soon.
Speaker 2:All right, same here. God bless you and everybody that's viewing.
Speaker 1:Amen. Ladies and gentlemen, I tell you what Dr Bill Federer is such a gift to the body of Christ. As you can see, he's one of the people very few people do I talk to that when I'm done my head hurts. He's one of them, guys that your head hurts when you're done because you're trying to fathom everything that he just dropped into us, and I want to encourage you to take a minute to like, subscribe, follow and then to share this. There's so much in it that he talked about, I mean even how the gospel. I mean there is a ton of stuff that you can go back through and listen, and I'm going to take some time to listen to it as well and just allow this to get into. Everything that we talked about for the most part is all wrapped around the holy week, what christ did and why the gospel needs to go out, why god hides himself, and I I mean it's just outstanding, I mean. So I hope that you have been blessed by this and, uh, a big shout out again to dr bill federer. Go to his web page, americanminutecom, support him, uh, keep him lifted up in prayer. So into his ministry, let him know that you appreciate, buy up his books, read it. He is a wonderful, wonderful man of God, a man of integrity, and just so appreciate him. He sought out after all over. I mean, I couldn't even read through all of the accolades that he has accomplished.
Speaker 1:And so, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for your time, thank you for hanging out with us here on Dimensions. I hope that you have been blessed. Go back and listen to it again, study it, get it into your spirit, and we'll be back very soon. Obviously, we'll be back next week. Throughout the week, different times. I might be back again tomorrow. I might be back again tomorrow. That's why I need you to like, subscribe, follow, share, because certain things are planned, there's other things that we won't get to until we know that they pop up current events and different things that are happening. And so God bless you all and we'll look forward to seeing you here next time on Dimensions. Thank you, thank you.
