The Whole Shebang
The Whole Shebang Podcast is a space to explore our collective awakening, often through the lens of unifying the Divine Feminine and Masculine in order to experience our most whole lives.
Each week Jennifer connects with various teachers, authors, friends, heart centered leaders and creators on topics such as coming home to ‘Self,’ consciousness, sacred sexuality, manifestation, abundance, inner alchemy and personal growth.
These conversations are aimed at supporting people in connecting to their own inner knowing, power, and divinity, to enlighten their lived experience, and move people towards their fullest potential. The Whole Shebang Podcast is here to create an energetic space and channel where people are invited to re-member who we are as individuals, and as a collective.
It's with all the love, and so much joy that we invite you to to buckle up buttercups, because we’re diving in! - xx
The Whole Shebang
Transform Your Relationship Patterns | Gene Keys with Anabel & Daniel
Anabel and Daniel share the story of how they met during a Venus Sequence retreat in Romania and what turned into a karmic, and now dharmic, relationship. They discuss how they navigated triggers and conflicts in their relationship, the importance of self-awareness and taking responsibility for one's own patterns and wounds, and what full commitment within a relationship means.
The remainder of this EP is essentially a FREE masterclass! I HIGHLY recommend downloading your profile map based off your birth information. Here's the link for ya! FREE Gene Keys Profile
Alright, this a diamond of a resource! Enjoy!
---------------
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction and Background
21:21 The Venus Sequence and the Power of Commitment
25:33 The Moment of Full Commitment
30:24 Navigating Challenges and Long-Distance Relationship
31:17 Commitment to Self-Discovery and Authenticity
31:23 Navigating Triggers and Conflicts in Relationships
45:23 The Protection Mechanisms of Each Gene Keys Lines
59:00 The Significance of Mentorship in Personal Growth
01:05:52 Embodying Dharma Through Shadow Integration
01:40:46 Trust, Patience, and Surrender
01:51:59 The Significance of Shadow Work
01:56:12 Uncovering Your Purpose with the Gene Keys
01:58:36 Join the Master Classes for Deep Dive Guidance
------
Anabel Vizcarra | Feminine Embodiment Mentor & Womb Shaman
Anabel champions women into trusting their own healing process & reconnecting to their inner source of potent feminine wisdom and power. Her body of work is a synthesis of Womb Shamanism, Gene Keys, Lineage Traditions, Ayurvedic medicine, Quantum Physics & Eco-Epigenetics.
Anabel mentors women on how to tap in to their deep inner well of gifts, grief and knowing. Through self awareness, ancestral wisdom & emotional mastery - women become living vessels of alchemical power, to reshape their realities.
Daniel Regan | Personal Growth Consultant
Daniel's journey of personal development has involved a series of journeys and initiations that led him to an intimate understanding of the unconscious shadow mechanisms and the personal & collective wound patterns that are a part of humanities storyline at this time. He walks a path of shamanic mysticism and specializes in anchoring mission-driven entrepreneurs into a deeper sense of presence, magnetism & personal power.
____________
RESOURCES
Dan and Anabel's Masterclasses + Coaching
Anabel's IG
Daniel's IG
Support the show with your donation: https://www.support/thewholeshebangpodcast
SUBSCRIBE and WATCH on YouTube
Most of us, when we start to tune into our authenticity, our authentic being, we're going against the grain of what is normalized, and that's the part that doesn't make it easy. But I feel as well that with that, the more of us that do that, the less abnormal it's going to be, so it will be easier to integrate. On the other side of that and there is, you know, in order for us to integrate our authentic being, we have to disintegrate the false that has been overlaid, spoken into us, that has been passed down through lineages.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Whole Shebang.
Speaker 1:I'm Jen Briggs, your host.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you what you're in for here. Many of us have been running at breakneck speed, functioning mostly in our heads, and we've suffered from disconnection, burnout and lost passions. I believe it's because we functioned in part and not in whole. So we're exploring a new path, embracing intuition, creativity, playfulness and connection in all of life. It's vibrant, powerful and magnetic. So come on with me and buckle up Buttercups. We're diving in Now. I know I'm a little bit biased, but I have to say I think I've got a great episode queued up for you today.
Speaker 2:Today, for the first time ever, I have two guests. Dan and Annabelle have a combined 30 years of experience working with the gene keys and the genetic coding map, a unique technology that we have to unlock your unique giftedness, your unique wiring in this world. I just got done going through a course with them and it was so powerful. So let me tell you a little bit about what you can expect from this episode. The first 50 minutes is Dan and Annabelle sharing their story of their relationship together they were romantic partners for several years and the Venus sequence, which is one of three within the gene keys, their study of it, their work of it together within the container of the relationship, helped them work through karma and unlock dharma. So you're going to hear their story and how they've kind of come out on the other side of that, now to being business partners. And then the last portion of this episode, which is a little over an hour, is essentially a masterclass. So in order for you to get as much as you can out of this, I want you to, in just a second hit pause, go to jeankeyscom and I'll have that linked in the show notes here. Type in your unique birth information, so your time, date and location, and you will get your genetic coding map and what it's going to have. On it is a bunch of circles, we call them spheres, and within each of those spheres is your gifting. So you'll see a number and then a period and then another number. The second number after that decimal is what Dan and Annabelle dive deep into, and we call those lines lines 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. And so you can see within your relationship what your triggers might show up like, how you might react when you feel scared or defensive. If you're currently in a relationship, this would be a really fun thing to do or even in a friendship or with your children. You can pull up their map and look at them together and see how you might be. You might have opportunities to help one another heal and grow and also illuminate your giftedness in this process. I would highly encourage you to pull that up before you dive into this episode. I think you're going to take a lot from this.
Speaker 2:Before we dive in, I just want to give you a quick little bit of oversight on who these individuals amazing humans are. Annabelle Vizcarra is a feminine embodiment, mentor and womb shaman. Annabelle champions women into trusting their own healing process and reconnecting to their inner source of potent feminine wisdom and power. Annabelle's body of work is a synthesis of womb shamanism, gene keys, lineage traditions, ayurvedic medicine, quantum physics and eco-epigenetics. There's so much more that I could share about her. She is a woman that I want to be more like, and I can't wait for you to get to know a little bit more about her and Dan Daniel Regan. Since 2008, he's been on a journey of personal development that's involved a series of journeys and initiations that led him to an intimate understanding of the unconscious shadow mechanisms and the personal and collective wound patterns that are a part of humanity's storyline at this time collective wound patterns that are a part of humanity's storyline at this time. His lifelong fascination with the polarities of light and dark aspects of existence and the archetypes that fill these spaces have been the guiding light on his path of self-discovery and empowerment. They are amazing human beings. I am so grateful to get to know them.
Speaker 2:I loved the class that I was just in. I'm also going to link in the show notes and I just want to mention it now. They have a whole library of masterclasses available on their website and I did a two-on-one coaching session with them. I don't mean this to be an overstatement, but it was a life-changing experience. Not only are they teachers, they're highly intuitive with source and with guidance, and if you are stuck or looking for guidance, whether it's personally or coaching in your profession they're tapping into some otherworldly things that have absolutely unlocked things in my life. I cannot recommend them enough, so I'm putting that link in the show notes. You can check them out and connect with them if you'd like to. Okay, that's all for now. Buckle up and enjoy, okay. Well, I've really been looking forward to this conversation and I've I miss you guys a little bit. We've been in this class and it just is like oh, your energy, your presence, your insight, your laughter, your wit, daniel, your presence your insight, your laughter, your wit, daniel, so funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I missed it. So I'm excited to dive in with the two of you today. Let's start by giving the listeners a little bit of background about you. I remember, daniel, when we had our first podcast episode and you were talking about the class that you're going to be teaching for Gene Keys and you were like, yeah, I'm doing, I'm leading the class with Annabelle, she's my you kind of got you kind of stopped up there, cause you're like, how do I explain what she is? So now, now you have another opportunity. So let's hear, let's hear to hear it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what is that? That was everything to me, um, me, um. You know what I have been saying lately, because we're looking at, maybe doing some more, uh, in-person events. It's like my ex-partner, now business partner now, when I've been introducing masterclasses my ex-partner, now business partner, because that's what we are. But we're way more than that because of the relationship that we cultivated for seven years, rounding up and, yeah, it was the deepest relationship dive we'd ever been in, and it was in Venus. We met in the doorway of the Venus retreat, which, for those that don't know, the venous, the venous sequence, is the second sequential unlocking of your gene keys, genetic profile, and it's the deepest sequence. It's going into the depths of the depth, as deep as you can go. That this transmission is is profound, and so we'd been studying this for a couple of years, or a few years before that each and we literally met in the doorway of a Venus retreat.
Speaker 1:You've got to tell that little story.
Speaker 2:Like you, bumped into each other trying to squeeze through a doorway. Was it a literal?
Speaker 3:Well, I just looked down and she was like Hi, I'm Annabelle, and that's how it all started. But it was on my birthday in 2015, at a three-day Venus event with Richard and the micro or the macro. That kind of set the play for our whole relationship. Very Venus, very like just getting down to the core and stripping us back and disabling and deconstructing our defenses. And you know, a lot happened in that realm and so we had that relationship and then we had a period where we had no contact at all, which was necessary for us both.
Speaker 3:And then we came back in a relationship and it was just really beautiful because the transparency and the honesty and knowing each other at the level that we do you know, I don't think anyone knows me as well as her and I know her pretty well, and so but there's a level of trust, there's a deep trust in our relationship and there's just a deep knowing of each other and just being energetically attuned from what we've experienced together and it's a very healthy allyship and friendship that we carry now, and so to be hosting events and running the groups that we've just done with you and 27 other beings in it was just a real pleasure because it just kind of solidified what we have and it was a really enjoyable, as you know, really enjoyable bounce all the way through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, annabelle, would you add anything to that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel that you know one of the things that I say about where we are now, like that, I think that trust is really beautiful and that you said that, the transparency because I feel like we're both very transparent, you know, in our relating and what comes up. Because you know we are here presenting that Venus sequence and inviting, facilitating it Right, and, and so we talk about this in the course, like how it and inviting, facilitating it Right, and, and so we talk about this in the course, like how it also puts us through it, and just, you know, we have our own journeys that deepen, but then also together, so like things that come up, you know, like our communication, or you know little things, it's like we're very there's, there's space for that as well, and it doesn't mean it's a breakdown, it doesn't mean it's a you know any other than that we hold it pretty lightly or as lightly as we possibly can in the moment. But yeah, I'm really I feel like our ability to go into that conflict resolution is very masterful right now and yeah, I'm really grateful for the things. You know, dan, and in his own Aussie way, you know, opened my Mexican-ness, you know, I didn't know that you could shorten every possible word in English it's its own dialect, but I think even you know that on the playful everyday thing, but deep in, you know, deep within also, like the language that really unraveled and opened through our relating and our challenges. Because, you know, we I mean when he says we had a very venusy experience, like that's, that's, uh, it's so intense, like what we, what we lived together in that that now it's almost like life is just, it's great.
Speaker 1:You know, because we went through a very different period. Yeah, but I'm also really appreciative and I understand now the level of the beauty of when someone commits to something, because we were both very committed to the relationship at that time and I think that that's what allowed the Venus to really unfold and really alchemize the way it did was because we had just a level of commitment, even through that intensity, that allowed that to be anchored and to now blossom. And you know, and I really feel like our relating now, for me anyway, doing this journey, we did the activation at the beginning of the year and then the Venus in which you were in and what it's done is like really shown me that this is, that we're able to be where we are now and relate in the ways that we do and and just have this beautiful camaraderie ship. However, you say that it's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, can we, if I were to say, if I were to say the aussie way would be probably like what? What would be the equivalent of camaraderie ship probably two or three letters yeah, it's just a noise, it's not really a word, it's more of like a noise and I even you know like he would call me, uh avis, you know, and I just stay like that's, that's kind of that's, when everybody is like give me a shorter thing. You know it's like ah, cause it's very like originally Australian.
Speaker 2:It's perfect. So I'd love to just flesh out a little bit more of what what the Venus is. So there's, there's three sequences and gene keys, the activation sequence, which is your outer world, Correct, Correct me if I'm wrong your foundational sort of Daniel. Why don't you take this away?
Speaker 3:the, the activity, yeah, no, no, you're doing well. I was just waiting to see what else came out here. It's it's good because there's no, it's. The interesting thing about the gene keys is there's not one way of explaining it. There's never comes out the same, ever. Okay, and I've explained it thousands of times.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's really interesting. So the activation sequence is well, it's the activation sequence, so it activates the sequences in a way. It's the physical sequence and we're looking at people's prime gifts, the four prime gifts, the four outside spheres, life's work, evolution, radiance, purpose. You're looking at these are your prime gifts that you're here to bring humanity, and underneath each gift is the shadow mechanism or the construct that is going to pull you away from embodying that gift frequency. So we can't embody our gifts in this life without owning and accounting for our shadow patterns and they're very unique to each one of us, and so that gets the whole shebang started.
Speaker 3:And then so from the physical sequence we go into, the activation sequence gives us the core stability physically to be able to then go into the Venus sequence and for Venus to actually deliver what is able to be delivered through that, which is a lot, because we're basically going from the bottom sphere, which is purpose in relationships and our purpose in relationships, and what our gift is in that, in our relationships, and what also is the shadow side of that and what our, what we do when we defend or get triggered or an upset occurs.
Speaker 3:The tractor field is all around, how we're attracting and repulsing different energies and and drawing in at times, uh, energies that will activate and trigger and cause upset, because it's allowing its existence, inviting us to refine our fuel from whatever frequency band, whatever actually is actually coming in, that we're attracting in, based on our karma and our dharma. And then we're going back into the first three seven year cycles of our lives and back to the core wound. So physically, emotionally and mentally, we're going back into those years because we're building our emotional and mental intelligence in the third and second and third seven-year cycle.
Speaker 3:But we're also building a very intricate and specific defence construct around both of those things and this is why the main work in the venous sequence is done in the EQ and the IQ, because of those formative years from 7, 8 to 14 emotionally, and 14 to 21. Those were the years that we were getting conditioned, on top of that first cycle obviously, which was physical. We were taking everything in. But it's such deep work I always say that it's the deepest ongoing initiation process one can put themselves through and I stand by that and I've gone through some different initiatory paths in my life and the Venus.
Speaker 3:If someone commits to the Venus, it will change your life every single time and there has not been a case that has not been that way Yet. It takes a tremendous amount of courage and willingness and commitment to be able to commit to it and also follow through with it, and follow that down to the layers that are actually available in there, because you'll make the deepest parts of yourself is it accurate to say that this?
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm single right now and I've gone through the venus sequence and feel like I've experienced some initiatory, initiatory, some initiatory things and have been alchemizing some things, and my understanding of the Venus sequence is that there's that within the container of a relationship that is providing, in theory I don't, I don't know maybe more opportunity for for those shadow wounds and triggers to come up, which is the purpose then would be to be open to stepping into that so that you can ascend and alchemize correct. So the container of a relationship provides the opportunity to be initiated into you. Name it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, you know, I I think that the the uh, the beauty of it is that we can always do the Venus sequence to get I mean by ourselves, for ourselves, right, because ultimately that's what we're doing it for ourselves. And so, whether, whether or not we are in a relationship, it's so beneficial because then you start to see, in relationships that you're currently in who are unaware that you're on this journey, it starts to you. You find the reflections, you find the events, you find the upsets and and you can also, you know, sort of see, going back, like to romantic relationships that you've been in before. There's always a patterns, Right, and that's kind of what the Venus allows us to do is recognize the patterns that we're in and gives us that awareness that expands our awareness so that we can make a different choice, Because it's not necessarily that that pattern is, that that pattern is negative. It's more so that that pattern is at a frequency that's not supportive of our authenticity. So when we come into that awareness, we dissolve that falsity of it and now it can shine in its gift, which is why, you know, with the keys, when we're working with the gene keys, we have the shadow, the gift, and the divine gift, the city.
Speaker 1:And so most of us are operating on patterns of shadow, or we move between shadow and gift, but do not know the difference. And so, with the pattern recognition skill, it allows us to really be able to take responsibility for our pattern, our shadow. Able to take responsibility for our pattern, our shadow, and instead of cutting it off or being ashamed or, you know, casting it away, we then, you know, make that conscious, choosing to be able to alchemize it into the gift. Now, that can be done by yourself. Yet when you have a partner and this is a really unique gift, you know, and blessing that, when you have a partner that said that's willing to go there with you, you know, and says, okay, let's go into the Venus together. You know, there is it almost you know. Kind of reminds me like, did you used to watch the what was that show where they would go on this couples would go on this like world adventure of tasks and challenges yeah, yeah, the great, the great adventure.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but yeah they would like. I'm with you amazing race.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, that's a that amazing race. That's funny, right, because it just reminds me of amazing grace for the venus sequence. But that amazed that that that show, like that's what it kind of reminds me on what of when you go into a partnership that's willing to go there, because you're, you both enter it. You know, with this like kind of excitement of like, oh yes, we're gonna dive deep together and we're gonna, we're gonna get closer and you know all these things.
Speaker 2:But then you come to the challenges that arise, then you realize you're walking into the fiery pits of hell exactly together and there's two different opinions of how it should be done, you know, and all of these things.
Speaker 1:so.
Speaker 1:So, but then that's where you know, as I was saying earlier, that that commitment from another really becomes like such a blessing, because then it's an amplified field and if you're both willing to be in the fires of it, it's going to purify you into a way that you probably couldn't get to by yourself, because you are now committed to someone in a way that you know that really allows you to drop into deeper places.
Speaker 1:And I feel like that's the beauty of it, like this can be done by yourself, by yourself. Ultimately, you know, I think that the, the, all the work that we do here is to prepare us for love, right To receive love, to become love, to give love, and. But when you do it with a partner, of course it's, it just amplifies the whole thing, and and and sometimes that can be too much voltage as well, you know, because there's a lot of voltage that comes with being in that, in your relationship. So, again, you know, that's the. It's sort of that like whatever you, wherever you are, the venus will meet you and give you the most. So that's the beauty of of that, but yeah as an example.
Speaker 3:2013, 14, I was single. I kind of committed to this celibacy until the one came in which landed on my birthday.
Speaker 3:But I was actually running a business. I was, I was the operations manager of the business and I was so deep in venus that all of my venus process was coming through my work. Life, like life and the, the Venus will always find a way. It will always find a way to push these things up into your awareness. And I remember it was for me back then. It was the most intense territory that I'd ever navigated by myself. Like I'd have full-on days, like I'd have supervisors, like I was saying supervisors, engineers, everything. Like people blowing up on site and then blaming you, like projections and all this stuff. And I wasn't telling anyone I was doing this. Obviously I was just. This is in the work for yourself. But I was just getting so much out of it.
Speaker 3:But I remember during some phases of that that couple of years of running that business before I stepped out on my own, is I'd just get home sometimes and I'd be completely exhausted.
Speaker 3:I'd have a shower and just go to bed.
Speaker 3:It was just flooring me and levelling me.
Speaker 3:But that was the Venus just forging me, like forging me into what it is capable of and preparing to step into a conscious, deep, intimate relationship of full commitment and, as Annabelle was saying, you really can't get the deepest nuggets that are on offer without that full, 100% commitment, because all of these mechanisms that we have that we journeyed into with you, jen, it's if the full commitment isn't there, all of these mechanisms will have a field day and they won't allow you to actually go deeper, because they will engage at an unconscious level and reorient you or close your heart or all of these things that we're unconscious of, and they'll be doing that below our conscious awareness.
Speaker 3:But then, when you do commit fully 100% and they'll be doing that below our conscious awareness, but then when you do commit fully 100%, that's when life can go okay. Take you down and into these constructs and safety strategies and coping mechanisms that are our shadows, that we inherit when we come in, and it will start to alchemise these in a way that, in my experience, I haven't found anything more powerful than that in a relationship.
Speaker 2:Can you speak to the process for both of you? I mean, you've met with a starry-eyed Annabelle looking up at you on your birthday. I'm sure it was instant, and maybe it was. I'm curious to hear what the process was like for the two of you, from from the time you met until you made full commitment. What did full commitment look like? You know, was it a? Was it immediate? Was it a point that you were like I'm all, I'm all in on this, and what does that mean? What did that process look like for you guys?
Speaker 1:Uh, it's good going down memory lane.
Speaker 2:Here. Let me give some context, the reason why I'm asking these questions. Your story is just your story, right, it's one, but I always just think there's so many principles we can pull from.
Speaker 2:You know you've got a lot of people listening that are that are trusting the universe to bring into their world myself included what, what it is that we need, what it is that's going to initiate on our path, and I think there's a lot of question around like how do I know? How do I know? And, and if the commitment isn't marriage, what does a full commitment look like outside of marriage? And so I'm just wanting to kind of draw some of that out around your thinking, your decision making, your process. And if you'd rather not use the two of you as a template, we can talk about it in general, but I think it's a good case study. A good case study, I think it's a good case study.
Speaker 1:A good case study? No, we can, and it's actually, I think that it's not that I don't want to talk about it, it's just like it's just interesting. Sometimes we look back and we're like, wow, we were those people, huh. So I would say I'll speak for myself, no-transcript. I don't think that either one of us was like you're the one, you know that necessarily. But there was, there was something there, there was a connection that was formed there and I I like to think of it. You know, sometimes you have a connection with someone that's unconscious, but your conscious is like I don't know. You know, because your conscious is also taking into account what you're navigating in the physical reality and the unconscious doesn't care about any of that. So then there, you know, there was that. I do feel like that there was already something that was starting to form there, and then we went on about, you know, the retreat and you know all of that, and then we connected, maybe like a month or two after that.
Speaker 3:Maybe a few weeks. Yeah, probably a month.
Speaker 1:After that.
Speaker 3:It was like mate and it's like there's definitely chemistry there, but we don't trust chemistry, not always a good thing and being in a three-day venus retreat with like 300 people it's like you're pretty full, like if you ever get the opportunity to come into a venus container where you've got a group of people and Venus present, it is just immense.
Speaker 3:So you kind of fall from that. You're kind of at the end of the three days, you're just full. You need decompression time, you need time to integrate and for everything to bake. And so I went back to I was based in Bali, then Annabelle went on her way and then we connected after that and it was probably about a month after that. But then when we started getting in connection, we had a cause ah, there's there's definitely something here. But I remember the specific moment that it's like ah, there's definitely something here what was that?
Speaker 1:I want to hear it because. You do, because I have my own.
Speaker 3:I was having some Nazi goreng at this little Some. What Nazi goreng? You know? Nazi goreng, this is not an Aussie thing, this is a Balinese thing. Balinese, it's like a Balinese dish. Okay, got it. We were on the text and I was going through it, through something, and I said I said, and then she'll be right, though, like that was the aussies, like yeah, she'll be right, and she said you don't have to do that with me and that that that did something for me. It's like my whole body went ah, here's someone that can hold my process, not hold my process, but here's someone that can hold my process, not hold my process. But here's someone that just made me just present something that I because I was just so used to just forging on, worrying on, like it's like, you know, just getting through, and then you have a woman who is one of the most embodied women I know but says that it's like you don't have to do that with me and it's like, yeah, I don't have to do that.
Speaker 3:I don't have to keep this story up, that she'll be right, because I've been, she'll be writing since I started and in the culture that I grew up and everything like that, it's like, yeah, she'll be right, she'll be right. Feelings, everything like that is just put it aside. And that's when, for me, things started kicking off. From that it's like, oh, this woman is really, really special. And then by Christmas that year, which is a few months after we met in Thailand and kicked things off, and she was on like Donkey Kong.
Speaker 1:That's so inappropriate there were Star Wars dates and everything going on just galactic fireworks yeah, we met in Thailand, as you know, in the flesh for the first time, and I it was, uh, it was really great, because I think that then, when we we had formed the connection before that, but you know, there's still, especially as a woman, you know, and and for, like, the women out there. So I want to speak of it from that feminine perspective, right of of, even I, when we were connecting before then, I feel like, uh, there was a lot of hesitation for me as well, just because it's like, ah, is it, is it not? You know, and I, um, you know there's also, like all this, this, uh, this interesting dynamics that play out with men who are spiritual quote unquote or on the healing journey. You know, there's a lot of, let's say, fuckery in the field.
Speaker 2:I like how you said that so eloquently.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to say how it is Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right on.
Speaker 1:But I also felt like he felt really authentic and and then when we met in person, then obviously it was like, oh, okay, it was. You know, there was like a confirmation of sorts there. And then I remember for me the moment that I was like, okay, this is something I want to commit to, or I feel that commitment from was that we had gone to. Was it Koh Samui? We went to Koh Samui and then we had taken a trip somewhere, I don't know. We were coming back from a little island in a ferry or something, and we're taking a cab back to the place that we were staying and I forgot my luggage, you know, in the middle of it. Like there was, like I had like a little carry-on and somehow it stayed in the cab that we had taken, or something along that way. And then when I realized that I was like, oh my gosh, I had everything in there. I had like my jewelry, my passport, everything. And Dan was so calm about it, like he was just like it's all right, like we're gonna, I'm going to take care of it, you know, I'm going to take care of it. So he like got on it, got a hold of the cab, we went and picked it up, you know, and it was just almost like this, like ah, that same thing that he felt when I said you don't have to do that with me. I felt when he said I'm, we're going to sort this out, you know, and and of course this is all touching on our wounding from being young, right, because when we look at it, for me that's important, based on how I grew up, you know, and and how I had to do life, and for him, based on how he grew up, that was like what, what, like kind of penetrated through that and and allowed, you know, that connection to form. But I feel that it, for me, it was that that trip really solidified that we had something that was worth exploring and committing into, and I just think it was just like a full 110% commitment.
Speaker 1:After that, we both knew that there was a lot there that was going to, that was going to unfold, and also, being long distance, you know, that brought in. The most challenging, actually, of any of the things that came up for us was really the navigating the distance, you know, being on different sides of the world, and yeah, but that, but that was. I think that that, what, what it was for me was. I really felt that there was someone who was just as committed as I was, not perhaps to each other, but to really truth, to authenticity, to finding out like who they really were. And they wanted to do it together, and I think that that's the coolest part is that it's more so. It's not about I'm committed to you so that's why it works. No, it's. I'm committed to finding what the truth and authenticity of me is, and let's do this together. And I got your back, you got my back, you know, and sometimes we don't, we'll fight, you know.
Speaker 1:We will often say we're like ninjas, like. It's like, you know, it's like Street Fighter, like, but at the core of it, knowing, you know, and then at the beginning we were not very aware of our, of our patterns and our lines to the depth that we are now Right or that we discovered. So we did have mentors and guides, you know, but I feel like that's why now we're able to show up the way we do, because we can see, even in relationships like oh, that's why now we're able to show up the way we do, because we can see, even in relationships like oh, that's that and and and for me, specifically, when I see couples with their struggles and challenges, like I always think back of, like God, I wish I would have known that, because that was so key for me and and where I, to have known that, a different outcome perhaps would have would have played out. But the lines, things was very, you know, beautiful.
Speaker 1:We talked in the program about that sort of IQ, eq, right, like how it loops and it goes, and so that itself that's where we would get really tripped up, because I wanted him to try to solve things like I like to solve them, and then he wanted me to solve things like he tries to solve them. So it was just this like lack of understanding that, oh, you need space, like for him, you have a line, he has a line six in his EQ, you know. So he needs that space to go and do his thing, you know, and then come back, right, and for me, I have a fifth line. So it's just like I'm like let's fix it, like let's sort it out, Like you know, we don't have time to waste, you know. And so there is that beautiful thing that forms when, yeah, just committing to your own process, and then, of course, if someone comes along and really is sincere in their desire to do that as well. It's a beautiful team approach.
Speaker 3:It's really. It shines a light on that commitment part, because a lot of couples, you see, it's like you know you sort of couples and then you know one of the first go-tos when things get intense is maybe this relationship isn't it. And then if that, if that voice is there, all the other mechanisms go. Yeah, sweet, because all the protective mechanisms they're not going to want to open the heart back up and commit again to getting hurt again, and so it's. It's like you take the escape claws out and we talked about this in the container.
Speaker 3:It's, it's so important to you know, we can't say, okay, I'm going to commit to you for the next three months and let's see what happens, because the escape artist has got in there and go, yeah, okay, three months, and we're out, like all these make, like so we've got to, really got to watch the language. It's like we can only commit to each other now, every day, and like, okay, I'm choosing you every day, I'm choosing to be fully in here, otherwise, if as soon as there's even the slightest one foot out or looking elsewhere, or even just to get a bit of relief, but it's not full commitment. There's compromise there and the compromise you pay for the compromise, especially if you are on the path that is choosing truth, which is the grittiest, one of the grittiest paths.
Speaker 1:And integrity, right, because I think that that's a thing too. That that worked for us for such a long time was that that we trusted each other's integrity, you know. So there was like, for example, we never navigated any sort of um, like, uh flying up, uh, flying up, like cheating in the relationship.
Speaker 3:Yeah, any concerns?
Speaker 1:of that. You know, it's kind of like that. We were both very transparent with that and also took accountability for ourselves. So I wasn't, like you know, trying to police his behaviors or who he's talking to or who he's not, because I just I trusted that he wouldn't. You know, and I would always tell him, like you know, you, I trust it because you don't know how to lie or how to like not be honest. So I'm going to find out regardless. So why am I going to worry about it? You know? And and same thing so powerful was that we were, because we were not, so we didn't have to navigate those shallow dramas or superficial dramas that are very loud. We were able to drop into the real work, the real meat of what was there for us in the container.
Speaker 3:And we were even deaf to our mentors as well, sometimes like they were, that were, they were questioning. It's like hey guys, are you sure this is? Are you sure this is still good for you? Because we were going at it at certain stages, because we were like the fire and the defensiveness and the accusation, like the shit that comes up when you're fully committed to tending to your own. Yeah, yes, you know you, you it's. It's impossible to keep it contained in a way, but to move through the alchemization of that immense intensity is really something. But we'd have mentors along the way. It's like is this, are you still sure that this is good for you? Because of what we were doing to ourselves and to each other, because we were so committed, and I appreciate that now, yet it was taking its toll in there.
Speaker 3:But I think that's the extremism.
Speaker 3:That I think is a good thing at times, because for me, in my life I have lived a life of extremes and energy and experience, and there's a third line experience, to name some of it, and the beauty about that is that you just fully commit to anything and you're going to get to the bottom quicker than anyone else and you're going to see what's at the bottom of that experience and whether it's worth keeping or not.
Speaker 3:And you're going to embody that experience, whether it worked out or not, so you can actually advise others and say, hey, worth keeping or not. And you're going to embody that experience, whether it worked out or not, so you can actually advise others and say, hey, I did that and it ends like this, or it did for me, so you might want to take that on board your decision making process when you do that. But it's like our relationship. It's like, okay, this is all in, no matter what anyone says. And that level of commitment really took us to the depths. It took us as deep as we could possibly go in a relationship, up until the point in time that it wasn't anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it also allowed for us to go so deep and just try every single avenue that when it finally did come to a conclusion or whatever you call that, it was very, it was very filled with grace, you know, where we both knew that this was what needed to happen and we still held that love for each other and that care for each other and just and and really honored that.
Speaker 1:So it is a, you know, and that's one of the things that um is in Jinkies Venus sequence somewhere you know that talks about that. Like that, when the relationship, when both individuals have navigated their process and the relationship comes to a conclusion, then it's grace from both ends, right, it doesn't mean it feels good, right, or it doesn't hurt, but there is a deeper level of reverence and understanding and I think that that was really beautiful, because that's the first time that I had ever experienced that in relating that ability to say you know well, your will for you is my will for you rather than my will. You know what I mean. So it's like you rather than my will. You know what I mean. So it's like, uh, you, you really do start. It starts to to form rather than just being a self journey. You really do. You start to pour out that love in a way that opens the other person and it softens all this harshness. So yeah, we did have a lot of harsh adventures, but you know, there's again that extreme sport. So if we can.
Speaker 2:There are a couple of things like. I'd love to just go backtrack a bit and go back to like when the triggers come up. If we can get specific on how, how do you navigate that? And then I would like to dive in more to like how did you know? The conclusion was was there. So can we go back to the triggers first? And just as you were, ninja fighting together, how did you handle that? Did you have rules and boundaries around what those conversations looked like? How did you navigate the triggers on a practical level?
Speaker 3:the triggers on a practical level. Uh, that's why. That's why the keys are like a profound. They are a profound technology and map of your own patterns and programs. And I've even talked to there's been two couples in the last few weeks where I am here and they say without a doubt that venus saved their relationship.
Speaker 3:Because if you, I, if you go down Venus and like you've experienced now, jen, you dived in and you started pulling apart these programs and patterns and became aware of these things in the unconscious that are pulling the strings of your reality. And until you kind of have that level of awareness, there's always going to be projections. And if you're protecting a wound and you don't really know what the defences are around that, or the safety strategies or the shadow constructs that you have within your own unique construct, you're going to find not only that it's kind of like hooking into the other person's dysfunctional patterns and you're having this wound dance, as we all are, but you're not really going to find the full resolution if there's not that ability to own and account for all of your things within the relationship. And that's why this Venus is profound in that way, because it's like here's all your stuff. Yes, there's going to be times where things are so intense that you project out and it's your partner's fault, it's what they did, and everything like that. But every time that happens there is something to look at, because if something goes off within you, it's your button, it's your feeling, it's your emotion. Now you need to own that somehow. Somehow you have to withdraw the projections off the other person and own and account for that feeling within yourself. And that can be impossible at times, especially when we don't know these core wound mechanisms and other safety strategies. They're deeply unconscious programs and patterns that we use to keep ourselves safe when we were younger that now dictate our whole adult life, experience and relationship and we're not going to know. Unless we know what those are, we're not really going to know how to navigate things with precision and full ownership and accountability, because we cannot own what we don't know.
Speaker 3:And so, um, in answer to that question, I would say that there wasn't one or two things that we did, because it kept on mutating, because we start, we started here and then you know our relationship and all relationships are a spiral. Really. It's like you spiral in and then you hit something. It's like, ah, and then you might, something blows up and you, you know you have your explosion. And then somehow you find resolution, whether that be the same day or a week later, or you know however long the process takes to mutate within the contained field and alchemise fully for both parties. And then you come back and you share and it's like this happened for me and this happened for me Ah, full resolution and the relationship just deepens.
Speaker 3:And that's why, for me, trust and commitment in a relationship is easy, because when you start going through this process, if two people are in ownership and responsibility for their feelings and their programs and their patterns, there's nothing like the depth of the juice and the visceral feel of like, wow, this relationship's everything. And you don't even look as a man, I can speak for myself. It's like you don't even look at other options. It's just because that relationship is everything. If the feelings and the, the love making and the alchemy and the, the trust that you have someone that's got your back 100 is gold and that's our chemical gold as well, because you know if something goes off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you might disagree and not be able to talk to each other for a few days as everything starts to mutate and transmute and alchemize within, but you know somewhere that you're going to come back and you're going to find a way, because all this is is another process of recalibration and deconstruction of something, an outer layer of defense that you don't need anymore. Even though it feels much more painful than than what, then you know what I'm saying. Sometimes it can feel like overwhelming and take you to the point of ending it, going elsewhere, doing whatever it does to numb out or distract from the actual pain of the process, but that's where all the alchemy happens. And so the answer to the question it just kept on mutating. So you, you break something and then you find that resolution, alchemize and you're going to hit another layer of something. There's always something, so that would be my answer to that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and I think that you know, we can say also that we did everything wrong. We can say also that we did everything wrong. So that's how we learned, because there were so many things because of the lack of awareness. So, even though we had an understanding, had been working with the Venus, you know, still not understanding the lines, the lines, and this is what I feel has really made a difference, and even what we now facilitate is that we understand now the importance of understanding the ways that the lines react when they are in triggered spaces, because back then we were more so looking at our keys, you know which are archetypes, and it's very helpful, but it's also a little bit more broad and and and then, of course you know this, this is why we say this like, don't weaponize your, your partner's heart, because that's that, that's something that we fell into.
Speaker 2:Can you go through the six lines real quick and the way that they protect themselves?
Speaker 2:Sure I think it's as helpful you know, as people are listening, to start seeing themselves and maybe just kind of understanding like where might some of my triggers be? And so I have these. They can look up their gene keys chart online and I'll put that link in the show notes, but then to be able to look even quickly at those lines. For me it's interesting because in my Venus sequence I have lots of threes and I don't have them anywhere else, and that's that's a thing for me to note. You know what are in my moments of being triggered or being fearful?
Speaker 2:as my shadow keynotes yeah.
Speaker 1:So, as a line three, what would you say you learned in the, in the program, and how you defend yourself?
Speaker 2:It's so disruption to come in and I'm calling them constricting moments Like now. I note it in my body. I can feel that first and go, ooh, I'm constricting here. Okay, what is this? Let me open up to that. And that's kind of my first cue, when normally, if it was just in my mind, living in my mind, I would be like cue. When normally, if it was just in my mind, living in my mind, I would be like I don't, that's not really a problem for me, or I don't. I'll just let me focus over here on this other thing that that's easier for me to focus on. So the three is the escape artist, the joker, yeah, yes, the flex right through.
Speaker 1:So it's, it's. It's really amazing also that you mentioned about the body, because the body is such a beautiful first cue of our lines, you know, and I think that that goes a bit unnoticed most of the time because, like you said, we're probably more in the mind, we're conditioned that way, you know, we're rewarded in the society as being more of a mental people. But I think that when we move it into the mind, we start to notice, like, how the lines move within us. Right. So, like you talked about the line three, but when we go to, let's say, the line one, so the line one, you know, tends to be more of we talked about the pillar, it kind of, it's kind of the rock, it's kind of the, the one that holds a place together, a group together, you know, is reliable, can be counted on, consistent, all these beautiful qualities, but at the same time can also, you know, on the, on its, on its shadow or or self-defeating mechanisms. It can be, it can be a numb, it can become numb, you know, or it can become shut down, or it can become isolated, you know, and and so there, so, as a line one, what that would feel like in the body right, like that. It's kind of a numbness that that. That comes. And you know, if you have a line, prominent line ones, and again, we have different lines in all of the spheres, so they all play together.
Speaker 1:But so it's. It's more this is the beauty of it of going into a program like the one that we just ended or concluded, and and looking at each of the spheres specifically and then being with them for about a week, two weeks, three weeks, whatever it is, so that you can get familiar with that. It's like oh, my IQ has a line one, so what does that express as my mental mechanisms, in which ways does my mind embody this first line you know, and how does that work? And then maybe the next year you have another line. So I think that it's important to a lot of people. Generalize it, like they'll say you know, I'm a like, for example, me, I'm a three, five profile, but I I have other lines as well, you know. So it's like they're all there, it's interconnected. But when you begin to explore it in the, in those sphere ways, then you get more of a sense of it. So line one, you know, would kind of feel like that.
Speaker 3:And line one.
Speaker 3:Line one is always looking for security and so if you've got one sprinkled around your chart or anywhere, it's like, okay, you know that some of the deepest, the deepest part of that first line is looking for security and stability and and to anchor its energy it's looking to know things.
Speaker 3:It's the investigator archetype, it's looking to dig down and know things so and it finds its security in that. Yet it can also have a pattern of finding its security on the outward. If it doesn't feel inwardly secure and stable, it's going to start projecting that out and finding ways in which it can anchor to the external world. Whether it be relationships, alcohol, drugs, addictions, everything like that can stem from simply having this first-line frequency running through your reality and not really understanding what that is, but using things on the external as a staple. But if you've got to got a more refined level say the people who have done the intercultivation work that's what I say is refinement. If you're the first line being who is kind of more embodied, you're dealing with an anchor. You're dealing with someone who is going to weather the storm and they're going to feel safe to be around. They're going to feel safe, they're going to feel present they're going to.
Speaker 3:It's like the emergency services archetype you know, the ambulance turns up to a big scene and there's this. You know it's a mess and people are freaking out in different situations, but they, they turn up, they're not losing their shit. They turn up, they're cool, they calm the whole field because they're anchoring in their energy and that can then start to shift other people's process instantaneously because it's like oh, they're not freaking out, I don't have to freak out, I'm just freaking out because the whole thing that I'm in right now is freaking out and this person just turned up two of them generally, and they're cool. Ah, I can feel safe in my fear now and this is what the first line does when it's met its own fear, because all of these, these line frequencies have a wound mechanism underneath them and knowing the wound mechanism underneath them really assists to support knowing the energy of that.
Speaker 3:So the first line wound is repression, and this is why it has the tendency to hide. When it's activated, it will just have a recoiling effect and will want to hide unless it's not being left alone, in which case it will provoke, it will lash out in order to get alone time, but all it's chasing is alone time. Yet if you're running with this mechanism, you might not even know about that and it might be playing out in all these different ways. But because we're dealing with unconscious programs and patterns, it's sometimes never, ever going to look like what it actually is. And that's why the awareness burrowing in underneath and getting in underneath the story and bringing that level of self-honesty which is the medicine for the first line, bringing that into self-honesty with oneself, obviously, but honesty about what's actually happening in the reality, and that's where the first line can get more traction. But if it's looking for certainty, it'll just be projecting that to the outside world. Its relationships, all of its instability will be projected out.
Speaker 1:Second line.
Speaker 2:Can you give us the yeah, yeah second line?
Speaker 1:Second line yeah, I feel like we're in class again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Even like a high level is good too, you know, just for people to get the quick, quick peek at it.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah even the the. So for the second line, you know this is and I I say this a lot in the classes are like I love the second line because I feel like this is where the fire and the passion really live in this. Through this second line, and what it can also look like is very reactive and very you know blaming, you know looking, making, making stories in its head and around blame and you know sort of like why is somebody else's fault about why I feel this way? And if they wouldn't do this and if they wouldn't, you know, and that's a very line two, because the line two tends to be deaf to its own self. It's always looking for feedback, but then it doesn't like the feedback it receives, so it kind of throws it back.
Speaker 1:And what that feels like because it's such a passionate fire line is that when it receives the feedback, it gets triggered.
Speaker 1:It gets like this excitement, this energy in the body.
Speaker 1:But if it's not aware of what's happening, that energy wants to exit the body.
Speaker 1:So it comes out like it can be someone who just throws up, says the wrong thing at the wrong time, timing's off, timings off, or can say something really harsh, but that's not what it meant. So it's like a very fiery line and energy, and with that it's, you know, for the line two of medicine is learning restraint, learning how to be able to cultivate that fire in the belly and not allow it to escape, instead being able to restrain and keep it and let it do what it's meant to do, which is alchemize through that fire what is happening in the body. But that energy will move right up to the mind and it will start to say this story and it'll just go on and on about these stories with blame. So so, kind of putting it, you know, on someone else, it doesn't find its resolution, even though that's what it's wanting because of, uh, of the its feedback, right, like it, it, it needs a feedback to see itself and and I share about this, like for me, I have some line twos, obviously, you know.
Speaker 1:I think people who know line twos line fives just a combination of culture yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what I say. I think, like my culture is like we have a, we're aligned to culture, for sure, but with that it's also finding the healthy ways in which to receive the feedback. And being willing to receive the feedback is huge, because if we're not aware of it, we're rejecting it without even knowing right. So we're sort of rejecting it through the blame and kind of bouncing it back. And when we find ways and again, I talk about my dog a lot here, because he was so supportive in this process, because he was you know, he couldn't talk back to me.
Speaker 2:I'm sure sometimes he did, you were like why are you looking at me?
Speaker 1:like that I'm sure sometimes he did. You were like his way of talking back to me was to just look at me with this face and he was like, oh my God, again, annabelle, he would do these sighs. I was like, oh, he really would. Oh, bless him, he's in doggy heaven now. He really would. Oh, bless him, he's in doggy heaven now. But that was an example of like how I started to practice that, where it was like, oh, okay, here I have a sentient being, and again, this could be a tree, this could be a plant, just something that is sentient, that you can speak out your frustration, you can speak out that energy, but it's not shaping it. Rather, it's kind of like letting you see all the throw up that you just dished out and then you're left to see it. So, so you get your own clarity through actually hearing you yourself and and what the I think you know, and what played out for us inside of that, uh, was that for me?
Speaker 1:I wanted to talk it out, you know, because that line two wants to.
Speaker 1:It doesn't even know what it wants to say, it just, it just wants to move the energy, right. So I would just start talking about this thing, and then that thing, and then that thing, and, and then the other person is receiving that and they're creating their own things about what you're saying, and then they're mirroring that back and I'm like, no, that's not what I'm saying, that's not what I meant, that's not what I'm, you know, and so then there's there, there, there isn't. That's not a healthy way to talk it out. So a line two really needs mentorship because it needs a space of be able to hear itself out and not be judged or not be told what it's saying, but rather give itself the time to hear itself and then someone else can ask further questions. But it's never a good idea to talk it out with someone you're in conflict with, because you know and that's something that we learned, or I learned later was okay, I'm going to go talk it out with my dog.
Speaker 1:BRB me and my dog have a date Exactly you know, and then I can come back and have the nuggets and say this is what's important to me, this is what I want to talk about, and now it's more of a communication. Right, I'm, I'm, I'm able to, to, to engage in that way. But, yeah, so for the line two, so important, because line two is deaf to itself until it starts to hear. That's why it wants to hear itself, but it's also the feedback that you're getting back. So if someone's doing something to you, you know that's why it wants to hear itself, but it's also the feedback that you're getting back. So if someone's doing something to you, you know that's a good indication. That's like what is, what are you reflecting back to me? And can I keep that energy even though I let that, that energy of fire, restrained enough to purify what it is that I'm meant to see here, and then be able to engage it in a healthy way?
Speaker 3:And the wound underneath. That is denial, which tells the whole story, everything Annabelle just said. You can look at everything she just said through the lens of that denial and the denial being. You know people can say, you know what's denial, but denial unconsciously, you could see it as an unconscious. You're pushing the doors shut, there's stuff behind the doors, but unconsciously it's like and you're blocking, unconscious is blocking through a safety strategy, if you want to look at it that way, and it holds things back. That's why there's a lot of rage and anger banked up within this line. It's anger but it's passion.
Speaker 3:But if there's a complete denial and an unawareness of the denial, that's you know you're going to have someone who cannot actually literally handle the charge of what actually is designed to move through as passion through the second line vehicle. And that's why one-on-one relationships for a second line being generally, are more intense than the other lines, because they're getting their, you're getting your feedback. There's this biofeedback loop that's created between the second line and other energy. So it's giving feedback, getting feedback. But sometimes that feedback that you're getting is triggering what's behind the door and it can come as a complete shock because there's a blindness to it, because there's, it's a denial. So even knowing that and knowing when something goes off, it's like, oh, okay, I've got second line here here. Here you can start to the awareness, can start to have a bit more awareness of, oh, that's a lot of charge for what just happened and the other person might not have even said something, you know, but the tone or something hit and something has just wanting to discharge through because the door's just been opened and it's what you do with that energy.
Speaker 3:So, as Annabelle was saying to a second line or a second liner, being able to sit and actually alchemise and pour that energy into something that's not blame and accusation, that takes some mastery, because that energy is going to take you over sometimes and there's going to be rage, there's going to be fire, there's going to be accusations, there's going to be a shit show and the awareness of the shit show as that starts to break down and alchemise the programming that's actually behind that. So the next time it happens it's like, oh, that's that thing again. Okay, you're starting to be. The precision of your awareness is starting to land on these patterns and programmings from your inner world that are rising up from the unconscious in a very volatile way for the second line, and that's where a lot of learning can happen and the awareness just keeps on burrowing down to actually alchemise this level of unconscious programming in that sense.
Speaker 1:That deafness in the line two is pretty intense and it's also, you know I want to say this because I think this is really important as well is that integrous mentorship is so important for a line two because it has to be able to trust the feedback that it's getting in order to hear.
Speaker 1:It benefits probably more than most of all the other lines, in my own kind of sense, from integrous mentorship, one-on-one mentorship that it can open up to and trust the guidance, because it's also the one that gets the hurt the most in the sense of mentorship, because it can go from one mentor to another and not get anything and feel like this isn't working for me.
Speaker 1:You know there's because there's a deafness to the feedback, because it doesn't trust it enough to open. So when it does find a mentor that it can allow in, you know, and that gives them that nonjudgmental space and also someone that doesn't shape you through their own beliefs and their own agendas, right, but just lets you be, then it can open up and receive the guidance at the deepest level. But that's one of the lines that I find like it wants the feedback because it's designed for it. Yeah, it'll go on and on finding this program, that program you know and just not being able to really be satisfied because it's on the surface of it and it doesn't trust it. So that line always would benefit a lot more from just from an integrous mentorship.
Speaker 3:I think that's true for the two and the five are similar. I think that's true for the two and the five are similar in that way. I think that's true for the five in a slightly different way, but in my experience, we've both got a lot of fifth lines, a lot, and that would be yeah and our fifth line was the one that's like no, our mentors don't really know.
Speaker 2:I don't know what they're talking about. We're going to stay in this for a few more years.
Speaker 3:We're going to trust this to the bone.
Speaker 1:But we got to the bone marrow right. So, in a way, that's and that and even that. That's what I'm saying, because that was one of the things for me. Having line twos that I experienced was that even when I was getting this feedback, there was a deafness to it because to some degree I didn't trust their embodiment. You know, there, like there was a sense of that where it was like I could feel and perhaps this was my fifth lines, feeling this I could feel that there was an underlying agenda, you know that that we were rubbing up against with with these mentorships and and that's what didn't allow, I think, in a way, the fullness of it, where I would say it's interesting, like I see your point. Yet you know, there is something that didn't quite sit like I can trust it. So it's, and that was a whole learning experience, I think, for both of us, in a way, learning about embodied, being embodied mentors you know embodied facilitators was was a big piece of it through our own mentorship experience. Why are you laughing?
Speaker 3:the same thing I remember you, you did some sort of therapy once and you come back and say they all think I should break up with you, and it's like, yeah, but you only told him your side of the story. It's like, okay, sweet, we'll keep on going. Because it's like, oh, you have a point, you're fifth line. It's like, yeah, cool, we got it, but that's how easy it was.
Speaker 1:That's right, it was my psychotherapy training, so I had psychotherapists telling me this.
Speaker 3:And we both had our therapists, we both had mentors and guides and therapy and everything like that to do our best to move through and that was helping. Yeah, and I do honestly like, in hindsight, everything was perfect, everything ended up perfect and it's just really valuable because we're both 3-5 designs. Anyone who knows human design or the keys, it's like 3-5. We're here to embody experiences. We're here to embody experiences by finding out what works and what doesn't and then pass our wisdom on from the experiences. And so this was a priceless seven years of life because we just kept on going and we kept on bumping into each other and we kept on bumping into each other, pressing each other's wound patterns and the deep space within each other, because if we didn't do that we wouldn't be embodied in what we speak about now. And just the last thing on the second line. If the second line energetic, it's brilliant, it's designed for brilliance, it's designed for flow, it's designed easy, is right in the outside world, not relationships so much, but it is designed for brilliance in relationships. But that takes mastery. But if you get, as soon as the second line gets on the front foot with an accusation or that kind of energy loses its brilliance and for a second line to have the front foot with an accusation or that kind of energy loses its brilliance and for a second line to have the awareness. It's like okay, because you can feel yourself, the voltage won't want to what. You won't be able to restrain the voltage at times, but it's a really awareness to go. Okay, sometimes you're gonna just let rip and that's okay, but you know that that energy is is charging that up to go. Your awareness starts to have a field and that's okay, but you know that that energy is charging that up to go. Your awareness starts to have a field day.
Speaker 3:That's another thing about Venus and I said this to someone yesterday. It's like if you fully commit to this path or even the gene keys, and interact with it daily, if you can, because of the transmission. It's a transmission of wisdom, a wisdom stream, and it takes penetration in order to come alive. It takes the focus and the penetration in order for you to penetrate and arrive and be in the wisdom stream and once that happens, you'll start getting insights and downloads and feedback from life and Venus and the transmission that will support you in your journey.
Speaker 3:Yet a lot of people miss the magic, because they don't penetrate it in order to bring it alive. They might kind of, you know, and people use it in different ways, but if you want the real juice and if you want to step into Venus, to go through the fires of transformation, that is available there to interact with the transmission, the more you interact with it, the more it interacts with you. And I think, jen, you've had an experience of this because you were fully in. There was no disprovision, the inquiry process, you were getting everything out of it, and the more that you do that, the more it will interact. And I forgot what I was going to say then.
Speaker 2:But I just want to pinpoint something on that. I think, just for the people that haven't entered this yet, and speaking from my own experience, like on the other side of that is greater this is just my experience greater expansion, greater freedom, a lightness, a more you know, and so it's gritty work to go into the shadow and it is to me I'm just going to call it like a portal or a pathway to, to something more. And now it doesn't mean that it's necessarily easy. On the other side of that, now I have some enlightenment about maybe more of what I'm here to do or how I'm wired to be, and that call isn't easy either. But but but there's something really powerful about continuing to get further and further aligned with self, with source, with. That is liberating.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah, and you know it isn't easy, because most of us, when we start to tune into our authenticity, our authentic being, we're going against the grain of what is normalized, and that's the part that doesn't make it easy. But I feel as well that with that, the more of us that do that, the less abnormal it's going to be. It's going to be so it will be easier to integrate on the other side of that. It's going to be so. It will be easier to integrate on the other side of that. And there is, you know, in order for us to integrate our authentic being, we have to disintegrate the false that has been overlaid, spoken into us, that has been passed down through lineages, and so that's why it's it's challenging. But and again I was going to say that this too, you know, dad and I are making it sound like you're going to hell kind of thing you know that it doesn't have to be that journey for everyone either, because, again, it's very unique. We are each uniquely coded in certain ways and so, understanding that, you know, perhaps we're also very stubborn in our ways, which is, you know, a little bit more challenging, or we have a lot of faith lines. Whatever you want to. You know, kind of look at it, but we're both our whole lives, have been through very intense experiences, so of course, this was going to be an intense experience, but that doesn't mean that that has to be for everyone, and I think that's why, with us now being able to share this, what is exciting for me is that most people who share about relating, who share about you know sort of that relationship mechanisms, dynamics, comes from people who are together. You know who are, you know in a current romantic relationship, and I think that that's the gold with us now is that we're sharing from.
Speaker 1:We went through it and then it dissolved and now it's being rebirthed to its next evolution. And this is where we get to not just work out our karma, as we were doing before, but we get to exercise our dharma together. And that's what's really amazing and I'm grateful for that blessing within this, because, even though now you know it's dharmic led, we're here facilitating learning, you know, sharing what we've learned through it, our embodied experience through it. We're also still refining. You know we're refining aspects of it, but it isn't what it was.
Speaker 1:So I just wanted to clarify that, because sometimes it's like well, why the hell would I want to take that ride, like why would I? But again, it is a it's not the same for everyone and also, you know what you were speaking of it's like on the other side of that. This is what's softening and opening our hearts. Our hearts are designed to be broken. It's a delusion to think that you're going to be in a human experience and you can protect your heart, but what we can learn is how to support when that happens rather than, you know, try to prevent it from breaking, because it's actually through the breaking of it that we become softer, more compassionate, more human. And also, you know, like Rumi says, it's through the wound that the light enters right. So that's the we're actually breaking so that our light can shine through into this experience and we're able to live out what we are designed to live out, not what's designed for us from the external world yeah, and it's.
Speaker 3:It's the journey to embodiment. It makes it really clear. It's like if to embodiment. It makes it really clear. It's like if someone is into developing themselves personally and transcending what the collective conditioning dictates and has dictated since we were born, and someone says here's a map, here's your profile. This is a map. Here's a map, here's your profile. This is a map, a literal map, of your wounds, your shadows, your constructs, your safety strategies.
Speaker 3:Whether you want to look at them now or in five or ten years' time, they're going to be running the show of your experience. These shadow constructs are going to be unconsciously pulling the strings of your whole reality. And if you want to embody your gifts in this life, the gifts that you literally came here to gift others through your path of service, your profoundly unique path of service, you're going to have to address the shadow. So do you want to do it now or do you want to deal with the consequences of not dealing with your karma? And that's why people you know if you're not doing, you know if people who choose this path are constantly onto the shadow, work and are tuning to their shadows and their triggers and owning and accounting for what they can. The karma doesn't have to manifest externally, because you're transmuting it and alchemizing it within. Yet if there's no awareness of these patterns, you're going to be a victim of your external circumstances. Life is going to continue to provoke and prod and push your buttons until you wake up to what is actually trying to get out of you.
Speaker 3:But a lot of people in their conditioning and this is acceptance for humanity and the condition that we live in right now there's an unawareness of that, or there's an inability to look at, or there's there's just an incapability to look at that. And so, with the so and and when things get prodded or pushed, there's just going to be a reaction, reaction, reaction, reaction. Yet as you become more aware of this through looking at your own math, through looking at your own constructs in a really deep and self-honest way, that's where the alchemy happens and that's where the embodiment happens, because we're alchemizing things within and creating more space within our physicality, which is the bedrock of our whole life here on earth. And as we do that, then we can handle the charge, then we can handle our emotions, then we can handle our feelings without projecting them and spewing them onto others when things do arise.
Speaker 3:So the incentive to be able to dive into this wisdom and just you know, as Annabelle was saying, you know we went to the extreme to get the nuggets and that's just our way. And you can step yourself in gently. And you know it doesn't have to be stepping into the fires of hell yet as a by-product of deconstructing your unique construct. You know you're going to be put through some fire. That's just because it has to burn these old programs and patterns. They can't just fly away and float off into the ethers. They need to be burnt, they need to be shattered. Sometimes they need the like humblings to happen so we can actually embody humility.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, I want to. Can we fly through lines three, four, five, six we kind of already touched it just like fly through them for me, because we have people listening right now that have their charts in front of them and are like I'm line four. What does this mean?
Speaker 3:we kick the third line off. Well, jen, so I'll just continue on that thread, making it as concise and brief as possible. Yeah, see the lines, though. See the lines and just the way that things just start to flow, they just unfold, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:So the line, so the repression, denial, the third line wound is shame, and so that gives you a really good indication. Everything that jen said before about you know, the, the elusiveness, the deflection, the escape artist archetype is all programmed into that third line experience. And even knowing that, if you've got third lines anywhere or a sprinkling of third lines, you know, okay, I have an escape artist mechanism in my reality. Where is that? And getting curious about where that escape artist is, because a lot of the time the escape artist because it's the trickster, it's like it's hard to catch, it's the artist of escape, and so when intensity arises it will have the knack of reorienting, unconsciously, even through the body. It's like, oh, I don't want to be there. So it's navigating its reality, just swerving through the intense places that might cause it humiliation, might cause it to feel shame, might cause it to feel uncomfortable in its third lineness. And so becoming more aware of where that is in your reality, because a lot of the time, your process, when you're in relationship or when things happen in a relationship dynamic, it's not going to look like escape artist, it's going to look like anything else, it's going to look like drama, aggressiveness, it's going to look like all of these different things.
Speaker 3:But if you know that there's an escape artist under there, you know the awareness can go. You know what I'm trying to leave right now. I just tried to push, I just tried to pull the escape hatch and get out of here and this is why all this drama is happening. But if there's not the ability and the awareness to be able to do that, you'll be caught in drama after drama after accusation, after like all these things that can happen because you don't have the awareness that I don't feel safe right now and I want to be anywhere, but here and I'm trying to reorient and it's coming through in a very different guise. And that's where the third line can just get caught up in drama after drama but it doesn't get to the depth because it's surface-level stuff. It's caught in the programming and the conditioning where, if it can get underneath that and have a willingness to stay at times and commit fully, because commitment is a huge thing for the third line that's where the breakthroughs will happen.
Speaker 1:Annabelle yeah, good work, okay. Fourth line with the fourth line, you, this is a love, a heart line, this is the humanitarian, this is the one that loves to serve, it's in service. And with the fourth line, so important, that community. It really loves to be in community, it loves to serve, it loves to take care of others. It's a very charity, charitable line and, with its shadow or sabotaging aspect, it's no boundaries, not having boundaries, staying in relationships too long for its own health and not being able to have time for itself or putting itself first.
Speaker 1:Because the fourth line can tend to feel very selfish if it takes care of itself, or even one of the things is like, when it wants to buy something, it'll think of well, I could use this money for that which is a benefit to someone else. So it tends to really be more caring for the exterior, the family, the, you know, the friends, and so it struggles with boundaries. It struggles to, you know, kind of come back, because it wants to belong. It has this deep, deep longing to just belong, to feel a part of something, and so it'll get caught up in communities that are not good for it. You know, teachings that are not good for it. And so the fourth line really needs to aloneness so that it can, so that it can nourish and nurture itself. You know it's a breath, is a. It's also beautiful for the, for the fourth line of just like being in its own breath, embodying its breath, moving it to the belly, having that aloneness to tune up, healthy and overflow for its community or service and those things. So we can see a lot of fourth lines would be, you know, in service, in ways that are selfless but that are also forget, self-abandoning, right.
Speaker 1:So that that fourth line is, is such a.
Speaker 1:You know it's like a, it's one of the most loving, warm lines, because it just wants to care for, it wants to love, it loves love, it loves to love love and love loves itself, you know. So the fourth line is very, you know it. Just when I think of fourth lines, it's just like they're the most loving, caring, and also, if it doesn't know that, because it's so sensitive to love and care and all those things, it learns to shut down, it learns to pull walls up, and so a fourth line could just as easily be, you know, someone who expresses as I don't care, I'm moving on, or okay, you hurt me in this way. That's it, you know. It shuts off. So it kind of can swing in that lack of boundaries, and then one day it just gets fed up and it says now I'm going to build a fort of boundaries, you know. And so it's learning how to love itself in healthy ways that allows it to become available to others without the expectation that the others are going to receive it or not.
Speaker 3:So yeah, the fourth line, fifth line and the fourth line is the wound underneath, that is rejection. So for people listening to this that are new everything Annabelle just said look at it through the lines, look at it through the lens of okay, that's a wound of rejection that underlies everything in that line frequency. And it gets more fascinating then because our awareness then travels down these, because there's only six lines. This is the beauty about the lines you start clocking these lines within yourself and within others, but you'll start to sense them in others and if someone, if you work with people, if you're a coach or a healer or anything just relationally in life, if someone's talking to you, you're going to be able to surf that theme because you're feeling what they're going to be speaking into. It's like you've got these superpowers then that go online, that you can actually your attunement to, then go, oh, wow, okay, and then you know a word might pop up from that. It's like, oh, what about this? And so it's an attunement to these frequencies. That's a really beautiful thing in this transmission. That's why in this course and in these masterclasses, that's why we've chosen to just deliver, deliver, deliver at different angles and scopes and lenses that through the transmission, like this living transmission, your awareness starts to then surf these lines and see where you are on that, when you're triggered in your gift and all these things. They're fascinating and they never cease to to amaze. Like we're like 11, 12 years into this work, deep into this work, and there's still layers that we go oh my god, never saw it like that. And then adagore will say something oh wow, I never saw it like that. And then Adegol will say something oh wow, I never saw it like that. It's like that's where you know you're under something good, that the wisdom just keeps it, it just doesn't end. It doesn't end yet anyway.
Speaker 3:But that fourth line too, it's just, lastly, on the fourth line, with that rejection, it fears rejection at a really deep level and if it starts to feel like it's going to be rejected, it will reject the other before it can be rejected. So there can be this amazing dance of rejection that can happen in the unconscious and if there's not a conscious awareness of it, it can be dictating this I'm in, I'm in, oh no, I'm out. I'm in, oh no, not. It's so.
Speaker 3:It's just this dance, but underneath it is these wound mechanisms just rubbing on each other and that's all it is, and then so, and you know it's not, obviously, oh, that's all it is when you're in the fires of it. Yet if your awareness of it, as you move through your own process and are able to own and account for your part in that and why you might have rejected or escaped or shut down or whatever the case, you start to find that the precision of awareness goes ah, this is because of my shame or this is because I feel rejected, I feel abandoned, I feel misunderstood, I don't feel recognised, I don't feel accepted. All of these bits, all of these go-tos are all parts of your map and if you know which parts and if you know which parts have been pushed at any given time, your awareness goes ah, that's that. And sometimes the awareness going that's that can disable, like disarm the mind, because the mind's going to be going off its head.
Speaker 1:It's like you did this and this.
Speaker 3:It'll attach to a story and then just run with it. But then if you have the presence and the awareness and your awareness has the information that it needs to penetrate these things, it goes oh, this is this. And sometimes instantaneously the mind just shuts up because it was just doing its job. It was just doing its like, ah, first line of defense, and you're doing this and, and. But you can get underneath that. There are ways underneath and they're really fascinating. Fifth line annabelle go okay.
Speaker 1:So fifth line. Fifth line is through the lens. The core wound of it is guilt. And so for the fifth line, the fifth line is here as a. It's an influential line of power and that's its theme, its power. It's here to exercise power, know power, embody power in the full spectrum. So for the fifth line it's so important to know that its voice is very important because it's almost like every time that it opens its mouth it's giving a message, a transmission, it's putting out a frequency out into the world that is coded with power. So, just as it can be very empowering, it can be disempowering to others and to itself. So for the fifth line, it's also the. A lot of the. It's a leadership line.
Speaker 1:So maybe a lot of the world leaders that you know you could see that as a fifth line right, because they're, they can be very well spoken or they could, they could put out these messages. But when the, when the fifth line hasn't gone through this process of humility, its process of embodiment, then it could abuse that power. You know it can and it can also reject the power. So we also find fifth lines that are so afraid of power because of what they see out in the world that then they disempower themselves through just critiquing the powers out in the external and not whole thread exploration around power. But this is, I feel, a really important one, because even when we're talking instead of feminine work right, like this is what we are stepping into is learning what is feminine empowerment, what is feminine power in a healthy form, and a lot of what we see is either a disempowered feminine or a false power, abuse of power, feminine right. So there's so much around for a fifth line to know that and it carries the guilt it could often feel guilty for, just as a collective, even a collective environment of like I'm not doing enough, or I'm not doing it fast enough or I'm not stepping into my power fast enough. You know all these different things that it can, it can experience.
Speaker 1:But as a fifth line, knowing that it is a leadership line, it is here to guide others or orient others, and it also always carries an agenda and that's not necessarily a negative thing but it can be disempowering if that agenda isn't known in or explored. So I often say, as a fifth line, you've got to surrender that like I don't have an agenda here. At least this works for me, you know, because I feel like, well, I have so many fifth lines that there's an agenda that's consistently somewhere in there. But the agenda doesn't have to be a negative thing. It can be the agenda of moving, of orienting towards something healthy. But I've got to be aware of that Because if I am denying that, then you know that's when the abuse of power can come, or the rejection of power. So that's a fifth line. It's a very powerful journey to to dive into that and the fifth line is the.
Speaker 3:the wound underneath the fifth line is guilt. And the fifth line is the wound underneath the fifth line is guilt, and it can use guilt as it weaponizes things because of its power. It's manipulative of the shadow At the gift. It's also manipulative in a different way In its gift in its agenda. It's an agenda, and if you've got a lot of fifth lines, just like Annabelle was saying, just to be honest, you're going to be carrying agendas.
Speaker 3:Agendas are going to be everywhere because it's part of the way you move. You're here to fix and lead and in that way, your energy is going like this. So it's actually getting things that are used to its practical mission in a way, and it does have an agenda. So, being honest about that, because the fifth line moves in a very specific way through the world, it's here to project itself out the furthest. It's designed to be a beacon for others. Wherever it lies in your chart, wherever you've got a fifth line, you're going to be a beacon for others in that sphere, whatever that means for you. And that energy is going to want to be on blast somehow or be in front or lead, or you know. It doesn't have to be on like solutions. It's like I know I've got a very clear, precise, practical solution for you. That's what it does. That's what it does all the time. It's always collecting information and it's like, oh, that and that and that could make that and then give that to the people, give this, this, this, this. But it's always very streamlined, practical.
Speaker 3:At times it doesn't have time for emotions because they're just getting in the way of that practicality, because we're looking at the fifth and the sixth line from the first and second physical, third, fourth, emotional, fifth and sixth line are more mental and it's moving through in the world in a very specific way. But it can also be gathering information and facts. For if it gets triggered it will then manipulate those facts and very easily kind of project that onto the other and make the other person feel guilty about whatever the situation is. But it can do it at a very unconscious level because that's what it's been doing its whole life to protect itself and deflect the pain that actually resides within. And it can miss, it has blind spots.
Speaker 3:The second line and the fifth line kind of have a pairing and they've both got blind spots, but in different ways. And the fifth line blind spot can be. It's kind of like it carries a bit of an arrogance to it because it moves through the world like this and it can just miss what's just there because it lives in its own world, its own construct. But being open to the fact, whether a second line or fifth line, it's like where are my blind spots? What am I not seeing here? What where's? What's the truth in this? Show me how it really is outside of this thing that I'm actually living in and be very revelatory. And forgiveness for the fifth line is also a huge thread.
Speaker 1:And the sixth line, the final line. I love the sixth line.
Speaker 3:You love all the lines and everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, these are visionaries. You know, the six line carries the vision, the vision of a world that's not here yet. It carries that seed of where we're going. You know, it has that visionary aspect of often feeling very misunderstood. And the wound in the sixth line is separation. So that's the right, am I right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Okay, separation. It's great because I was like bringing all the wounds, like the bringer of wounds.
Speaker 1:The bringer of the wounds, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm introducing them because they're fascinating.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and they're important because that's the lens that we see, are the that we experience the world through, right? So for the line six, it already is born into seeing the world through a separation lens and so it's gonna feel that it's. It's going to probably be activated by experiences that that reminded, like that separation is there, and and again that separation in ways necessary to be able to hold the vision for something that's not here yet. And so for the sixth line, you know it can be the one with all the the ideas, the one with all the ideas it can have. This, like this, is how it could work the best, but the current reality might not be designed for that yet. So the six line is here to guide all the lines in the sense of what it sees. It's not necessarily here to do the work for it, but it's here to hold that vision until it's almost like holding that dream seed, until it becomes fruitful, but because it may try to exercise it in the now. That's where it can experience a lot of, like that, feelings of separation, like it feels alien to its current reality, like it's not from here. This is not my home. The sixth sign can have a tendency to not want to be in the body because the body feels limiting, it feels heavy, it feels slow. You know so for its vision, and so you know that's where it carries, that it's from another world, but what it's here to do is it bring in the vision of the future, and and in when we're all working in our gifts. You know, ideally all the other lines are in support to this vision, are doing what it takes to create the environment for that vision. But again, it's typically ahead of its time, which is why it's the late bloomer, you know so. The sixth line can have a tendency to just kind of be checked out fromomer. You know so.
Speaker 1:The six line can have a tendency to just kind of be checked out from time, you know, in the sense that it's like it's just perhaps always late or early, or you know it just can't quite figure out the timing of this, how the world is designed, and so it can. It can be a late bloomer, very deeply sensitive because it's attuned to that, very deeply sensitive because it's attuned to that futuristic vision, and also feel very misunderstood. So for a six line, care, being in the body, embodiment and patience is so, so huge because it comes into its wisdom later in its life. So in the meantime it's collecting all the experiences that it will need in order to come into that fruitfulness. But that sixth line can be, you know, it becomes the sage. It becomes that, not guiding like the fifth line, it's more of the sage that, through its experience and attunement to a futuristic vision, it becomes like the wise woman, the wise man, when it's in its healthy, patient self.
Speaker 3:You can see it as the six lines. The more six lines you have, the more there's a longer incarnation process happening. It can feel like it's taking forever, but it's that longer incarnation process to be a fully embodied role model and teacher that it's designed to be. But in that longer maturation process, patience, impatience can be a thing. Patience, trust, surrender these are the three things. If you've got six lines, you're going to have to cultivate a, a relationship with, and wherever there's and whenever anything goes off or you're rolling through something, it's like they're really good touchstones. It's like do I trust the process now? Do I trust life, or is there a distrust? And where does that distrust reside? Patience Is there impatience here? Because impatience is going to be humming in, because you can sense the perfection in the future and you can sense the vision. But if it's not happening yet, huge frustration can arise from that space, disillusionment, all of these things.
Speaker 3:And then the surrender piece, because it's like I like the iceberg picture. You know where the top of the iceberg is above the water and there's a whole big bulk. The majority is underwater. It's like that's a six-line incarnation. It's like no one's going to be able to pick it. What, what's in that iceberg. But then there's, there's seeds for the future, there's wisdom, there's things that aren't ready to be, to be, uh, above water and into humanity and into the conscious awareness of people and just to trust. And so even knowing that, for the sixth line, can be really powerful, because it's like, ah, I don't have to work things out, it's not up to me to follow through with everything that I sense perfection with, or that how I see this could be perfect, this relationship could be perfect, this house could be perfect.
Speaker 3:Everything could be perfect, but nothing really looks the way that you can sense it does, and great frustration and a huge inner process can happen just because of that. But then knowing that you can go, ah, that's that you can just let yourself off the hook and give yourself time and space and patience and trust and surrender, because life's got under control and you don't have to put any more pressure on yourself to make things happen that aren't designed to happen yet. You just have to be in the flow trust, surrender, patience with presence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and presence, presence is huge for the sixth line, cultivating presence, because it does its speaking through its aura, through its energy, like where the fifth line does it through voice. So you can, you know, that's how it communicates. The sixth line is a presence. That's why it's the vice, you know the wisdom, because it's simply through presence and energy that it communicates its highest vision.
Speaker 2:Thank you for going there on all that, yeah, what.
Speaker 3:There you go, Jen. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was. I mean you guys did a great job of being brief. No, I mean this is a good example to what you said earlier, dan, about in the class too. You guys have been so generous with your time and your experience that this three, five life has given both of you Um, and just in this conversation today, I think, if I'm I'm just kind of um pulling back in this conversation and thinking about, you know, connecting the dots and all of these processes and sort of lenses that we're looking through and to have this level of self-awareness.
Speaker 2:So we've got this tool, we've got this transmission, this technology of the gene keys that brings this extreme depth of self-awareness if we're surrendered to it. And then if we step, you know we have self, we have the relationship with self in the Venus, we have the relationship container within Venus. And what is all of that doing? And I think it's such a classic, I'm just going to say question that we, that many people struggle and live with, is like, what am I here for? Like, what is this all about? What am I actually doing here? And to me, all of this helps unravel the answer to that and and that's huge, that's huge.
Speaker 3:It's the biggest and yeah.
Speaker 3:And, like you were saying too, one thing I've really been present with, especially on the tail end of the container experience that we had, it's like you know, there's a, there's a mythology wrapped around your life, everyone's life, and it's going to play out despite of you. And if you want to tune into that and ride the most magical, wholesome, abundant ride in this earth incarnation that you can, you can choose to get on that ride and start to unravel the mythology that's wrapped around your life and your DNA and your whole being. It has been playing out since you were born. It's been everywhere with you in your incarnation up until this point in time, wherever you may be. And if you choose, you can follow that and follow that pathway down and start to unweave and unbook and understand at a profound level why everything has happened in your life the way that it has this is what's perfect for us, so free, and it's also like that.
Speaker 1:That aspect of this, this transmission, brings so many things together. You know it's all interconnected, so it does bring in you know the deepest wounds and you know how we were activated into them and how the behaviors play out. But I feel like what it also does it opens us up to the field of potentiality that is alive within and around us all the time, and so it also opens our vision, our vision, to opportunities, resources, ways that we are not available for currently, when we're operating from that wound and from you know those more limited spaces or inheritances, and so that this is what we bring in. You know that quantum aspect of what we're moving into collectively right now. And you know, at this time, as a humanity, we are all on an evolutionary process, individually and collectively, and I think that that's what, when you bring in that aspect of purpose, it's like we all want to know what our purpose is. But our purpose is to be on purpose, you know, and when we're knowing who we are, reclaiming those aspects that have been left of ourselves along the way, bringing them into the present, then that's us being on purpose and that's what unfolds is purpose, isn't a thing, it's not an image, it's not a thing. It's not a thing we do, it's a thing. We are right. So we become purpose, and in that, anything that we do becomes purposeful. So then, whatever you engage that is authentic and from the heart, then that's how it begins to take form. But the form isn't the purpose. The form is, I mean, the purpose is you, and so that's what I love about you know, the gene keys is that and this.
Speaker 1:The Venus sequence, specifically, because for me, I'm always, you know, the money piece, the prosperity, right, or you know? Or the activation sequence, and again, the Venus is so profound that it does need that activation sequence in order, you know, to be able to hold what's going to happen in the Venus. But the Venus is really where we get to unravel the deepest places in ourselves, and you experienced this. You know what the each layer that we opened up it moved us into a more tender place, right? So this is why you can't just rip it open, you know, because there's, I can't imagine that. You know what I mean. It's like. This is why we go from the external inward step by step, rather than just ripping it all open, because there's a level of understanding that supports the next and the next.
Speaker 1:And once we touch that very deep place, you know it's so tender. This is why we're so protected around it, because it is very tender. So it does take, you know, grace. It takes a touch that is developed to be able to hold that and to be able to witness it. But when you do, you realize, like this is what makes us prosperous, this is what makes us abundant. Is that being able to tap into that? Because now you've tapped into the pulse of life, of everything that is alive, you tap into the abundance that creates everything. And so is it worth it? Absolutely freaking? Yes, it is worth it, you know, because it allows you to just become prosperity. You know, it's like I am the wealth.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I love, like I am, the wealth. Yes, yes, I love that. I love that. Dan, were you going to say something?
Speaker 3:Abso-freaking-lutely. That's better than the earlier one, the earth bomb. Everything that Annabelle said. It's like the importance of shadow work, especially now, like especially in this time of the great change, like we're in a birthing portal and no matter where you are in the world, you're not going to escape the frequencies that are coming through into the collective. The Schumann resonance is going off its head. It's like all the frequencies, the things are starting to intensify, the fear bands are going up and it's like how are people handling this? It's a real thing.
Speaker 3:In the last few months especially, we've been in this container, which is a field in itself as well, which adds intensification, obviously. And here's the dog. And it's like this is the only way through is shadow work. I'm not saying the only way through is the jinkies. You have to do the jinkies, but if you're into shadow work and you want to really get to the bottom of your own stuff and live health, the healthiest loving, trust-filled relationships in your life, hand on heart, venus is your ticket if you're willing to go there, if you're willing to look at everything within yourself that you cannot see right now and shine places up in your being that are the most uncomfortable that you may have left behind in the past, that are contracted, that are hidden, that are disowned. This is your ticket and if you want to take that ticket now.
Speaker 3:Great, because this is the perfect time to take it, because I don't really see the intensification of the collective field and everything that we're going through now. I don't see it really dropping off anytime soon. There's only one way out for ourselves and into freedom personal freedom and that is through to unlock what's actually inside us, and that's where the highest frequencies of light are. They're in the deepest, densest darkness of our DNA. They're not out there anywhere that's what we couldn't be led to believe but they're inside. These are the codes, these are the master codes for Jinkies. They're a profound transmission ahead of their time, and it's really something to be on the forefront of that. We were kind of early on board of this wisdom and have helped spread it out into the world, but it is starting to get traction because the world needs it right now. The world needs to wake up and have the assistance to evolve in the way that this transmission delivers every single time when people come to it.
Speaker 2:I hope you were kind of saying this earlier. I just have this sense that the world just for, uh, for people. You guys correct me if you, if you have a different perspective on this, but that like I know the dog I told you she's like extra needy lately. If you guys aren't watching on youtube, go tune in. You can see me snuggling my dog here she is more love.
Speaker 2:And then just look at the screen like yeah, um, that life, that life is showing up for people, like if, if we're avoiding the opportunities that are put in front of us to step into the shadow and to to do the work, that what I'm seeing with people is that their bodies are shutting down, that it just is like like people are quitting their jobs because they physically can't go to work and their jobs are causing things to happen in their life that are keeping them from you know, waking up and elevating in consciousness and evolving, and so it just feels almost to me like time's up, like we're going to have to walk through this or get to walk through this one way or another, and this is a great tool to help us do it in a way that is very empowering and enlivening.
Speaker 2:But for the people that are resistant to that, it just it's kind of what you said earlier, dan like life is continuing to like get louder and louder until they're like okay, I surrender, like I guess, I guess I surrender. Like they're just kind of seems to be less choice Is. Do you see that?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's both. You can be in awe of it and it's also very sobering as well. What's happening. A lot of people, a lot of cultures as well, like it's. It's just, it's, it's comes, it's. It's unfathomable a lot of the times, the extent of what's actually happening.
Speaker 3:But I've found in my life the only way is to keep on honing in anyway. Yeah, that's the way through, and even though it might not look to the outside that you're taking a stand or doing this or doing that or doing enough, and sometimes the inner story goes you're not doing enough, you shouldn't be doing this, this or doing that or doing enough, and sometimes the inner story goes you're not doing enough, you should do this. It's like the only sure way is continue, like all the great masters have said before us. It's like it's all inside. It's all inside. So you want to make the biggest impact on humanity, the biggest impact on the world, the biggest impact on earth. It look at your own stuff, own your own stuff, alchemize your stuff, and then you can actually turn up in the empowered way that you're designed to turn up in your gifts, so you can be of service to others and help them through. So it's this big, organic, self-organised principle of life that's flowing through this.
Speaker 3:At the moment it's intense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it is to intense, yeah, and it's, it is a.
Speaker 1:It's to me, like I see it, it's an invitation to grow up, you know, because I feel that most of us, I mean we're a very young species on this planet, you know, and, and I feel that you know, often, I mean, we just have to look around and kind of see what developmental stage we're in, right, so it's like we're in a very teenage, narcissistic, it's about me selfish time, and I feel that that's what it is, that some, not everyone, because you know, we're all in different places in the world, but for those who do have, those of us who have the call, who have the access to these tools, I do, I, I know that that's what we're being called to is, we're being called to grow up in our own emotional bodies, our spiritual centers, and to be able to bring this through, you know, into that grown up that we can become.
Speaker 1:You know, that is not just out for itself, but rather for the, the, the health of the community, the health of the world, and, uh, and I believe that this is a beautiful tool to to see where are we, you know, to really be honest about I, you know, I may believe that I am wise and I have all this knowledge and know and know all this, um, all this aspect of all these, uh, different wisdom streams, right. But, however, we can know all the things, right, but if, until we embody them and we exercise it, it's almost like it, it just doesn't do anything other than just make great conversation.
Speaker 2:So all that we've talked about today, I think is a really great lead into the work that you're doing specifically and how people can tap into this. Would you guys mind taking a minute just speaking into some of the masterclasses and resources that you have available?
Speaker 1:Yes, so you know this, uh, we have now come together, you know, as we said in the podcast, and we're facilitating masterclasses in which we dive in to through our embodied experience of the keys, because the gene keys is a transmission that's alive.
Speaker 1:And you know, what I love about it is that, yes, we learn about it, we read about it, we contemplate, but what it starts to do is starts to work inside of ourselves, and then it begins to form in our own unique experiences, and that's one of the things that I love about. It isn't dogmatic, it isn't you know those things, it, it, it becomes what it's meant to become for you. And, uh, in these masterclasses that we have, that we are now offering, you can go in and dive in, sphere by sphere, and get a better understanding of your sphere, of your line. And you know, and Dan and I do that together, we, we facilitate that and and, uh, I feel like we do a pretty good job at it in the sense of really, uh, showcasing it from different perspectives and inquiries to get the most out of that that uh, sphere for you and we really did.
Speaker 3:We really did pour everything into these masterclasses. Everyone holds the transmission differently. So, you know, jen, you could interview someone else who's embodied in the wisdom and it might be a completely different transmission that comes through because everyone holds it in a specific way, which is really beautiful. And we've really poured and we're at our best when we're live. So these are pre-recorded master classes, uh, from our sections when we've been facilitating groups in the last year and we did really pull everything in to them. So they're like two, two and a half hours, three hours some of them. It's just us going, massaging these spheres and ideas and lenses and scopes, and look at it this way, and all of the all of the things, it's the most comprehensive.
Speaker 3:I, you know, I don't know if there'd be anything out there like this in a way, and we poured so much into it. It's interesting because I got invited to facilitate a nine-month journey privately for a group of, you know, 40 people when we still had a week to go, and it's just like no, I can't do it. When we still had a week to go, and it's just like no, I can't do it. Nothing in my capability was able to say yes to that thing. Even though it was a good opportunity, it was like I just can't right now because we've really bought everything that we have and could have into these what are now masterclasses.
Speaker 3:So it's a really yeah. I really believe in the value of them and they're available to all. Yeah, and some people are really laughing them up. They're all out now, which is good, and we're going to continue to do masterclasses, just on different themes and topics. Not so much it doesn't have to be about jinkies or they're the codes of life and are everything we can. There's so many topics and themes around shadow work that we uh that annabelle and I love because that's our realm, and so there's going to be more being released in the next few months as we go, and we're just going to continue to build this wisdom library, this experiential wisdom library, as we called it, and, uh, yeah, so people can tune in, you'll get a really comprehensive download from any one of these classes, yeah and they're not very formal either, right like we just kind of it's so fun, it's so it's like such a good combination.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's my's, not what you're hearing here, you know, we just kind of go back and forth and banter even a little bit, and you know, but there is a, you know, I feel like that's what's nice about it. It's relaxed, it's human, you know, and it's not. We're not coming from a. We are perfected or we are all you know. We're complete or healed in this space. We are all you know. We're complete or healed in this space. We're in the journey along with you, you know, and I just think that that's the beauty of it is just to be able to, to turn around and share what you've already come to, and that's that's what we're doing here. So I'm excited for for this and for what's to come.
Speaker 3:And humor as well. We we have third line plans, so we we both think we're funny, but we're the only ones.
Speaker 2:I thought you were funny, but I've got some third lines too, so maybe I'm just in good company, I don't know.
Speaker 3:But you, you gotta, you gotta laugh, you gotta laugh, oh you do because it can get heavy, but you guys did a great job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you.
Speaker 2:If you don't mind, I'd like to just share like a bit of a bit of reflection on what what that experience was like to. I think two of the things I mean a there's so much information. You guys, I absolutely could agree with you that you've poured your heart, soul, minds, everything into that and that was very apparent to me. But two things that I didn't anticipate, that I don't think either of you have articulated yet today, that were of benefit to me. That is hard to even put into words, is one you know you hear people say everything is energy, but there is something in the energetic transmission of what you bring to those calls and what you bring to the, to the live experiences of people, to choose to go into that with you, that for me, the only way I can describe it was that it felt like it recalibrated me. You know, like if you have two tuning forks that are on the same wavelength and you guys held an energetic space that I tuned up to, is what it?
Speaker 2:What it felt like in me, and and you can't just get that from reading a book, I don't think, I don't think you can get it the same way so there was something. There was something there in that and then I would say the second thing is that and I'm not really sure how to put this into words either Um, you both are so in tune to source, to something bigger than you, and so there were many moments within that class and within our two-on-one that we had that it felt to me like you were receiving and sharing just I'm going to use the word channeling and bringing something in that was really alive, that was more than textbook, and so I know you didn't ask me to do this today, but if anybody's listening, I just I think that if you're looking for guidance and wisdom and insight, and then those other two elements that you can't, really, that are hard to find from a trustworthy source too, that, like, can I trust this energy, can I trust this insight? Can I trust what they're telling me? Um, you guys have that in spades and it's like I'm so thankful to know you and to be in that space with you, so so thank you for that. Yeah, thank you, thank you, yeah, yeah, okay, any remaining parting words? We're two hours in I feel pretty complete.
Speaker 3:Thank you for your kind words, jen, it was. It's been a pleasure to, from the first podcast, which was only like four or five months ago yeah now you didn't even know what you were getting yourself in for. And again you're all shiny and you're a lot more self-aware through these programming patterns and I'm really happy for you. I thank you for showing up in the way that you can show up the best you possibly could. You really went there. I really respect that. So well done, Thank you.
Speaker 1:And same for me gratitude, Gratitude for who you are and how you show up and that you came into this container and that you trusted us to orient you in the ways that you've received. And excited, excited for you for what's unfolding for you. You're allowed to take on a big trip with it. So great, your entire Venus journey back.
Speaker 2:The timing of that is pretty wild actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, and that's the thing about the Venus, see it. Just, it's all perfect in the way that it unfolds and where it leads you next, and it's all in the unseen. You know, and so much of it is what you said about not being able to even articulate some of the things that emerge from these journeys, you know, because you can't really articulate some things, even when we articulate it, it's like we're not even expressing the fullness of it because there's limitation within that, you know. So I'm I'm personally really grateful for you, for your commitment, for your devotion to the work and for just showing up the way that you do and, as challenging as it is, just breathing through it like you're doing, I'm just grateful for you and to get to witness you and your journey and share in all the ways that we get to share together. So, thank you, so much.
Speaker 2:Don't you just love love? Do you just love love? I love fourth lines. Yes, it's a fourth line.
Speaker 1:I also have a Pisces in Venus, you know. So it's like I love, love, love. Oh, you love, love, love.
Speaker 2:All right Love to you.
Speaker 1:Love to you and thank you to all the listeners that tune in. Thank you for having us on your platform and may everybody receive exactly what they need to be ignited to their birthright and invited into the sacred. So, in whichever ways, feel aligned. So thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you, thank you.
.jpg)