The Whole Shebang
The Whole Shebang Podcast is a space to explore our collective awakening, often through the lens of unifying the Divine Feminine and Masculine in order to experience our most whole lives.
Each week Jennifer connects with various teachers, authors, friends, heart centered leaders and creators on topics such as coming home to ‘Self,’ consciousness, sacred sexuality, manifestation, abundance, inner alchemy and personal growth.
These conversations are aimed at supporting people in connecting to their own inner knowing, power, and divinity, to enlighten their lived experience, and move people towards their fullest potential. The Whole Shebang Podcast is here to create an energetic space and channel where people are invited to re-member who we are as individuals, and as a collective.
It's with all the love, and so much joy that we invite you to to buckle up buttercups, because we’re diving in! - xx
The Whole Shebang
Sacred Sexuality: Unlocking Dark Feminine Power | Nadine Lee
“The dark feminine will help you reclaim your voice, reclaim your too muchness, your bossiness, and sensitivity. All the things that as a child, you may have had a direct experience with, where you felt love was withdrawn. So that [experience] gets thrown into the unconscious, into the shadows, and repressed. You think, ‘If I show this part of me, that equals lack of love. So I'm going to never show that part of me.’
So, dark feminine is about journeying into those parts, reclaiming those parts, and integrating them back into your psyche.”
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CHAPTERS
0:00 Introduction
05:01 Nadine's Story: Sexual Abuse to Sacred Healing
08:00 Tantra Defined
12:07 Awakening Through Sacred Sexual Union
15:00 Religion and Sexuality
17:00 Divine Purpose in Relationship
19:00 Burning through Karma in Relationship
24:58 Embracing Primal Masculinity for Balance
31:35 Reclaiming Feminine Power Through Surrender
39:28 Dark Feminine Power
49:02 Orgasmic Co-Creation
54:03 Strengthening the Nervous System for Expansion
56:00 Where to Find Nadine
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NADINE LEE
Nadine Lee is the founder of Tantric Alchemy, bestselling author of Sex Priestess. She's a teacher of the tantric arts and feminine embodiment, embodied leadership, mentor, devoted lover and sexual liberator. She's helping women liberate their eros and channel it into their life's purpose here to support the death of what no longer serves you in order to rebirth you into the woman you came here to be, helping women ignite their erotic fire and guiding them to channel this potent creative force into their highest expression.
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Dark feminine will help you. Yeah, reclaim your voice. Reclaim maybe like your too, muchness, like your bossiness, sensitivity, like all the things that you thought as a child actually had a direct experience where you felt love was withdrawn when you showed that. So that gets thrown into the unconscious, into the shadows, and repressed. It's like if I show this part of me, that equals lack of love. So I'm going to never show that part of me. So dark feminine is about journeying into those parts and reclaiming those parts and integrating them back into your psyche.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the whole shebang. I'm Jen Briggs, your host. Let me tell you what you're in for here. Many of us have been running at breakneck speed, functioning mostly in our heads, and we've suffered from disconnection, burnout and lost passions. I believe it's because we functioned in part and not in whole. So we're exploring a new path, embracing intuition, creativity, playfulness and connection in all of life. It's vibrant, powerful and magnetic. So come on with me and buckle up Buttercups. We're diving in power that is held within our bodies and specifically the power that is held and unlocked within our sexuality. I'm convinced that the universe has a message to get us and I'm not surprised We've been so cut off from that part of us, and today is no exception to that.
Speaker 2:We dive into these topics with Nadine Lee. She dives into how we have emotional blocks that get held into our bodies and that those blocks actually keep us held back in all of life and how we can remove those. Nadine expresses that sexual energy is the most potent energy on all of the planet and how we can unlock that, where and how we tap into our powerful intuitive force, what the dark feminine is and how she can help liberate us. And masculine, feminine polarity and relationship dynamics and so much more. Let me tell you about Nadine.
Speaker 2:Nadine Lee is the founder of Tantric Alchemy, bestselling author of Sex Priestess. She's a teacher of the tantric arts and feminine embodiment, embodied leadership, mentor, devoted lover and sexual liberator. She's helping women liberate their eros and channel it into their life's purpose here to support the death of what no longer serves you in order to rebirth you into the woman you came here to be, helping women ignite their erotic fire and guiding them to channel this potent creative force into their highest expression. All right, ladies and gents, buckle up and be liberated. Nadine, thank you for joining me on the whole shebang. It's great to have you here. Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, we were just saying before I hit record that it's, uh, coming off of this full moon. It's been a wild sort of sleepless night for both of us. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, it's been wild these past few days. Yeah, strong energy.
Speaker 2:Well, I've been really looking forward to this conversation and, if it, there's been some things happening in my world that have been interesting to me as I've been diving into some of your work online that I'm seeing these similarities of how, I think I'm just going to say how goddess has been teaching me some things lately, and so the timing of having you on feels I feel I feel personally like lucky Uh, and I think the listeners are going to be, um, really impacted by what you have to share today. So, thank you for taking the time. If you don't mind, can we just start with what your work is and how you got into it?
Speaker 1:Essentially, I started this work as an extension of doing my own healing work, so I never actually set out to teach what I teach now, like this happens to a lot of us. We kind of just get the calling and then it, it all just unfolds from there. But yeah, I was just really, you know, from the age of well, it started when I was around seven, you know, experiencing sexual abuse and then, um, throughout my teenage years, going into depression, anxiety, downward spirals, eating disorders and not knowing, like how to deal with this. You know the abuse. And then I see, like all those symptoms of like depression, anxiety, eating disorders were really a manifestation of not dealing with the original trauma. So I went on my own healing journey. I tried, you know, the psychiatric route that you know, because that's all I knew, what was available in my like around 19, 20, and that just did not help me at all. And it was actually by chance, I think. I was you walking home one day and I saw this meditation class and just felt the call to go into this meditation class and just had this like profound experience of finally feeling at peace in myself and like the anxiety subsiding and just feeling happy, you know and content within myself and I was like like, whoa, I think there's something in like this hippie stuff, you know. Back then I saw all the you know it's like hippie woo-woo, like like yoga, all that sort of stuff. So, yeah, I was like I'm gonna try this because, like the other stuff isn't working. And then from there I just started really going deep into the yoga.
Speaker 1:And then tantra came pretty quickly and, um, I was having just an influx of teachers that were just literally magnetizing into my reality, one after the other, sexual shamans, like tantra teachers, um advaita vedanta teachers, like all sorts of teachers were just coming into my field and kind of, I was on this rapid growth like acceleration of healing, um, the sexual abuse, essentially, and sexual trauma, and so at the same time I was working with women as a nutritionist and helping them with body image issues, because that's kind of was the main thing I was working through on the like you know how it manifested in my body. But as I went into my journey, realizing the deeper undercurrent of that body image was like sexuality. Um, I just started quickly kind of pivoting into well, not quickly, it was actually a few years after I was doing my own healing. Um, yeah, I just started feeling the call to teach what was healing me and that's really, you know, that was like over, like over 12 years ago now, and it's just been, you know, changing over the years.
Speaker 1:Um, I work, yeah, primarily with women, so really helping them reconnect to their feminine energy, reconnect to their bodies, um, reclaim their sexuality as sacred, heal their sacred sexuality and and then how to actually work with this energy in terms of channeling it into your creativity and getting on your soul's path. So that that's essentially what I'm doing now, and I do programs and retreats and mentorship and I have a book that I wrote called Sex Priestess.
Speaker 2:So, oh my gosh, there's so much I'm excited to talk about. First of all, thank you for sharing, sharing your journey and having the courage and it's been 12 years, but having the courage to, to do something that is perceived by people right A certain kind of way, all kinds of ways, I'm sure, and so having the courage to do that is, and the liberation I'm sure it's bringing to just so many women, is wonderful. So thank you for doing that. Um, can you just explain what Tantra is?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's a broad term and, you know, if you ask most people, it's like always a different answer. The way I understand it, the way I was taught, is really it's a way of life, it's a way of being and it's a system really that's like an ancient science that is really designed to help us awaken to our fullest potential and it really, you know, works a lot with our sexuality as a gateway to that, because that's where a lot of our potential lies, in our sexual energy, this most potent force on the planet. So, um, you know, a lot of people just associate tantra just with the sexual practices, and you know it's a part of it, but it's not the entire part of it. It's essentially living your life in full alignment with your truth, and so the practices help you to get in alignment with that. You're tapping into your sexual energy, using your sexual energy as fuel for your life, for your creativity, for your dharmic path and, like your soul's path, what you came here to do.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, you know, and it's not just about sex, it's like how we relate to life, it's a lot about relating, relating, so it's not so much this solo path where you just sit in a cave and like meditate, into the abyss. It's really about relating. So how do we relate to others, like other humans? How do we relate to ourself? How do we relate to the divine? How do we relate to life, you? It's very like it's an embodied path. It's embracing everything, from our humanity to our spirituality, not denying anything along that path.
Speaker 2:So a lot of the work that I've been doing as of recent I would say even in the last oh gosh, six, nine months sort of stumbled into Mary Magdalene. I've been doing a lot of reading and work around the masculine, feminine, polarity and and was understanding that and was hearing the terms around sacred sexuality and sacred the sacred feminine and and really honestly, was like I don't get the connection here. I've I'm hearing the energetic side of it in terms of polarity but was like what is the sacred feminine? Ironically, I wouldn't expect you to know this about me I worked in a church for 10 years.
Speaker 2:I had no concept around the sacred feminine that was lost and why it was lost and why it was shamed. It was lost and why it was shamed, and so the uncovering of sexuality as sacred and how it, how it is a path, um, the words that have been coming to me lately is that, like my body is a gateway and that and what, what that means, like what does that really mean? And so a lot of what you're saying right now is just like yep here's the stuff.
Speaker 2:So if you could kind of bring some color to that and feel into sharing what that means to have this path be sacred and I hear you on that, it's not just sexuality and to recognize that that has been a path that has been so abused, misused, shunned, shamed, and to recover, reclaim the power. And that is for me right now it's like this is the arrows, this is the power. Holy shit, I'm 42. I've lived my whole life not really understanding the power in it and I and I'm just learning. So would you share kind of what comes up for you in that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean our Eros, our sexuality, is the most potent force that we have access to. You know it literally creates life. So, for whatever reason, you know certain religions and these things have really worked hard to cut us off from our sexuality. You know labelling it as impure and dirty and like sinful. And you know that it as impure and dirty and like sinful and you know that it has have all these like strict, rigid, like rules around it, so creating such contraction and fear around our power, essentially. So the path of Tantra is really popular in like a lot of people who have had that sort of conditioning with um, you know religion and these things where they've just completely shut off from their sexuality and seen it as like this horrible thing. And you know I've had so many of these like women that have had really intense like trauma around this. You know things like not even being able to wash their genitals, like they're yoni with their hand, because you know their priest or whatever tells them that it's a sin to touch yourself, so like having to use a glove and these sort of things like really disconnecting, like extreme things like that. That really really is so dangerous. You know it just just because when we are disconnected from our bodies and we are disconnected from our sexuality, we are essentially disconnected from our power. We don't know what our intuition is telling us, because our intuition informs us through our body, especially as women. So if we're not connected to our intuition and um and these things, you know it's we're really just at the mercy of whatever anyone else, anyone else's agenda, like we're not having a sovereign experience.
Speaker 1:So it's really about reclaiming that sacred sexuality and seeing it for what it is. You know it's this powerful force and it doesn't mean just because you, you know, you explore tantra and you unsubscribe from these beliefs, that you go around having sex with everyone. That's not the tantra that I teach. In fact, it's the opposite. The more you attune to how powerful it is like, the more selective you are of who you share that with. A lot of people think that, like I mean, there is a lot of like tantric circles where it's just all like orgies and, you know, polyamory and all this sort of stuff. But like, that's not the path that I'm on or what I share. There's no judgment of that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, the frequency that I've tapped into is like just how potent this is and um, when we merge that with someone else, we have, like, you know, it's like your own sexual power then multiplied with your partner is just like double the power. And what can we create with that together? If it's not children, what other things are we co-creating together? And you know, I feel when couples tap into this, you know, it's just takes the love making to a whole new dimension. Not just about getting off, it's right, yeah, taking you into literally, yeah, co-creation mode, create creation mode and also um a portal to unlock, you know, gateways to your, to God. Essentially, you know, through your sex. You don't have to bypass sex in order to get to God, or you don't have to go to any middleman to get to God. It's literally through your body. You have this capacity to, you know, activate your energy with love, and that can take you into connecting the most deeply with the experience of god or divine, whatever you want to call it. So this is powerful.
Speaker 2:yeah, so if I came to you and I had a partner which I don't, someday and and I was asking you, how do I co-create in sexual union? Like, is there a how to that? Is it just, is it just becoming aware of the God in one another? Or what does that look and feel like to have a union where you're birthing something?
Speaker 1:union where you're birthing something, yeah, so it's really like seeing it like. So there's you and your partner, so there's like two entities, and then there's like the third, there's like a third energy that gets created, which is what I call the tantric energy. So your, your um, sexual energy is running through your own body and his is running through his, and then when you merge them together, it creates like this third energy. And this is where it's like it takes the relationship from just you know, you and me to we. Like what is the divine purpose of this relationship? Like what are we creating together? And it doesn't have to be anything like grandeur, like you know, businesses or empires, like it might be that it might be a family, it might be, you know, just an example of two beings that are in a healthy relationship for your community, like being way showers of that. So it's really just like surrendering your relationship to something greater, just like we do with our individual self. Like how can I be used as a vessel of the divine, not just what I want in this life, like what is also what the divine wants to move through me, and how do those two match up? It's the same with a relationship.
Speaker 1:It's not just about, like nowadays, it's not just about, you know, um, especially in the conscious community. It's not so much just oh, I'm bored, I don't love myself, I need someone to hang out with, like that's just not, it's not the base, like need of the relationship. It's like we're seeking something deeper and, um, you know, we've changed from the days of, you know, like the 1940s where, like women couldn't, you know, even vote, or like work or open a bank account, so women needed men basically to survive. And now it's, like you know, women are just making their own money everywhere. So we're choosing partners like more on, well, love, not just survival, and I think that opens up a possibility for, okay, like we're not just sitting in the root chakra anymore, just, you know, survival, making babies, procreation. We're actually going up into a higher state of consciousness of you know love, into a higher state of consciousness of you know love and um, a higher purpose.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's beautiful, yeah, and I think it's. It's requiring something different of all of us, right? It's requiring something different of men too, that, you know, in a very short period of time, historically speaking, are being, I'm going to say, asked or invited into a different role in a relationship. That is is raising the consciousness for the collective. I think, ultimately and I, I, I'm seeing this seems like such an obvious thing to say, but relationships to me have the potential to be such a beautiful pathway to that collective, that collective awakening, that collective rising that's happening, because I imagine that it can catalyze sort of more quickly I don't know if that's the right way to say it within a relationship. Is that maybe accurate?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I feel so because you know like there's only so far I feel we can get on our own in terms of moving through karma and patterns, like I feel when we get in relationship it kind of accelerates it, and so we kind of speed up the if you're, you know, doing the work together and like not just re-traumatizing each other, like it can really speed up your evolution as a couple. And I think that's ultimately the point like is to evolve together. You know, like how do we move through our patterns, how do we break these patterns from our lineage? And it has to kind of be done in relationship.
Speaker 1:That's why tantra is like more of this. It's not that's that path of the, you know the monk sitting and reaching enlightenment just on their own, in solitude. It's like reaching enlightenment through actually burning, through karma, which actually I think requires you to actually be a human and have human experiences. Like relationships not just hide out, and because I feel anyone can be in lined. If they're just in isolation you don't have any, there's nothing triggering you like, there's nothing like to move up against.
Speaker 1:But when you get in front of the partner and you're, yeah yeah, and so we get that opportunity to actually, you know, burn through the karma with our relationships. Could you explain what you mean by burning through karma? Yeah, so you know we all come into like our lives with karma and you know this is just, you know, things that can be like ancestral karma or just even like things that have happened in past lives, like things that we have accumulated, kind of um blocks in the, in our connection to the divine, like. So this manifests as, like you know, our inner child wounds or, like you know, our patterns that are blocking us from living fully in our fullest potential. And so you know, if you're constantly getting your inner child like wounds getting activated and you're not dealing with that, and that that can be like a block for you to be fully stepping into you know, your creative gifts or what you came here to do, so, um, all of it stems from our childhood and the way we like work with that is through relationship, because that's what's often getting activated is, you know, our father wound, our mother wound, and how we learn how to love and our worthiness of love and all these things, and that starts from the childhood and the like. Yeah, you can get triggered by these things. They can come up in friendships, but it's nowhere near as much as relationships, and I think the key is like, yeah, every relationship is going to have your stuff that's going to come up, but how do you like it's like having tools to actually work through them.
Speaker 1:So, and I think the the key that I've gotten to is like, okay, yeah, things still come up, like you know, my core thing that I might have had my whole life. But the key is knowing when it comes up and like being aware of it and trying to make a different choice from that, or like trying to act differently. So it's not like this perfection, like you have to get like rid of every single karma and be perfect. It's just having awareness of when the things do come up that's burning through it, you know, and choosing a different approach. Like, oh, okay, that's coming up.
Speaker 1:How can I that's interesting like all my unworthiness, I'm feeling abandoned. Am I to go into my usual pattern and, like you know, withdraw myself or attack my partner? Or how can I choose like a different approach? You know that's more mature and not going to result in like just more suffering. So I think that's the key and of course, you know like things will come up again and again. As I said, it's not about perfection, it's just you're having the the awareness of when they do come up and is this the connection that you were talking about?
Speaker 2:like, tantra isn't just about sex, but as we're working uh, I feel so inept at finding the right words here but as we're working through, like burning through, that karma, and we're allowing the relationship to be a container for healing, then that in turn, is impacting our relationship to everything. Is that kind of what you meant by the Tantra being about our relationship to everything?
Speaker 1:um, yeah, because you know, like, how you relate to yourself really affects like how you relate to the world, you know. So, um, and I also see, like how we are showing up sexually, like what's like, what's the block sexually? This is such a gateway into what are our blocks in our life. Let's dig into that. What are the blocks you see? Yeah, like, just like, dig into that. What are the blocks you see? Yeah, like, just like, for example, maybe a man you know he's not fully like owning that part of him that just wants to penetrate and like just take his woman and like claim her, and maybe that's like showing up in his life where he's just being passive and he's not fully penetrating the world with his masculinity. Yet he's like kind of it's like a flaccid energy in life and it's like sexually it's kind of flaccid.
Speaker 1:And then maybe, as the woman you know, it's like, um, yeah, just different, like how much we can receive. This is a huge aspect of literally we're being penetrated and if, if we aren't fully receiving our partner, as in like maybe there's tension or just contraction, like you can feel you're not fully taking him in to you, like there's that could be also showing up as like blocking other things in your life that could be coming your way. You know like receiving abundance, receiving just the opportunities that want to come to support you, and then you know like just different archetypes that we can play into. I think this is also really interesting. Like the just say, we get locked in one archetype in our sexual expression, so maybe you might default into like just kind of maiden energy and you're really scared of what that is?
Speaker 2:the maiden energy, yeah like just more.
Speaker 1:You know like innocent and um, passive and just not really knowing what you like, because you're a maiden, you know you're just figuring it out.
Speaker 1:You're just kind of like, oh, I don't really know what I like Like and you're kind of giving you know, your, yeah, your pleasure to your partner, like thinking it's his responsibility to figure it out. But you know there could be an opportunity to you know, explore maybe your seductress archetype or your wild woman archetype and that really shows through in you know like, yeah, your wildness, like your sexual wildness, and owning your desires, like claiming what you want as well and knowing what you like. And that really gets unlocked when you, you know, unlock these more intense feminine archetypes. Or you might be like super into those like more darker feminine archetypes and maybe you've completely disconnected from the more softer. You know it might just be like rough, wild, like all the time, and it's not so much like know you're not, you don't really feel like hard in it, yeah, or it's going past just like primal fucking. So and it's the same as men, you know they can maybe yeah, just be more in.
Speaker 1:Like a lot of men, I feel the thing is like they go into just um, like obviously they want to please us and that's beautiful, but they often, yeah, don't um know what they want, like their, their desires, because they're focused just on pleasing us and they've not explored and owned their desires and kinks.
Speaker 1:And like what feels good, because they're just in the good boy, like pleasing mummy like that you know it's like linked with that, and so they might need to explore more of their darker, masculine, where it's like, yeah, owning their desires. And this is huge for men because a lot of their desires are very like linked with that primal, like it's yeah, that ravishing energy and so many men are so afraid of that part of them why do you think they're afraid of?
Speaker 1:it. Um, well, I feel like there's been so many things, like in the media and these campaigns, you know that, like the feminist movement and these things that really demonize, like powerful, strong men and really wanting to create passive, weak men. So, um, like, for example, like me too, like that movement obviously was about, you know, helping women, you know, heal from sexual abuse. But what we saw, I feel it went really extreme where a lot of men were just feeling shame around being a man, even though they hadn't even abused a woman, and they took on this kind of like guilt, like this collective guilt, like oh, all men are shit, all men are rapists and that means, like you know, a lot of men took that on and shut down, like that part of them. That is this primal savage and it's wild because every woman I know wants that.
Speaker 1:And of course not like not sexual abuse, but like they want that part of their man. But so many men have shut that down because of that. Yeah, I feel it came from that movement. It was a big thing. And you know, even just in like media and movies, like it's always like demonising, like that kind of alpha energy, there's not these healthy examples of that powerful masculinity. It's like either really toxic or just like the kind of soft, like puppy dog guy. You know there's no real examples of a man who's like owns his full primal, but you know there's so many men doing this work now, showing that there are it's really encouraging.
Speaker 2:Okay, on that note, I'd love to hear your take on why that's important for men or women. I'm just talking heteronormatively right now. But why is it important for men to reclaim that primal power and why is that valuable to women? And then maybe we can talk about society in general. But why is that valuable or important?
Speaker 1:Well, like it really just comes down to biology. So if you, if your man isn't connected to that, as a woman, you don't feel safe because in a primal, on a deep primal level, you know, if you're going to procreate with this man and have children, and he is this, he's really soft and like passive. You don't feel he can protect man and have children. And he is this, he's really soft and like passive. You don't feel he can protect you and your children. You know, if someone you know comes to invade the village and like burn your house down, like this is like going back deep into the primal yeah.
Speaker 1:Like is your man just going to sit there and be like, oh, like no I don't want to be a toxic masculine, like, no, like, you want him to protect you.
Speaker 1:And so it's so deep in us women and and um, that's why I feel women often test men's, that capacity in them to see, like, are you strong enough? Like to, you know, hold me and our potential future children. You know it's what is going through our brains all the time, so it's so important that men have access to that and I think the key is well, the key is actually having that primal savage connected with your heart. You know, not losing your connection to your heart, because if you just go into primal savage, that's basically like sexual abuse, rapist, energy. But you know, killing for love, like being the protector of your family, for love, it's not just going around killing just for the sake of it you know, it's for a purpose and yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1:and that's where men often that I've worked with get lost in because they feel if they connect to their primal they're going to just get lost there and turn into this like toxic. So they're afraid to go there and unleash that because it's like it's very scary, you know, for them to how do they stay connected to their heart or how do you teach them that?
Speaker 1:um, I mean, I feel as though, because a lot of the men are so connected to the heart now, like you know, especially a lot of men who do men's work in this conscious community, there is a lot of heart-centred men, and so if you're already connected to your heart, like I feel it's actually easier to connect to your primal. I find it's actually harder if you're only connected to your primal than connect to the heart, like I feel it's actually easier because the heart is actually harder to open for the man. So if it's already kind of you have some connection to it, you're not going to fully lose it, you know.
Speaker 2:yeah, so, but it's just because of the fear of the unknown, you know you're taking over this is just I, it's so these conversations and this information, like you said, all of the women you know want that, and I think that's part of for me in this podcast. I want men to hear that message Men are listening to this podcast too and for them to know we want that, we need that and it's coming from strong, independent women that are doing the work. I mean this has been my journey, doing the work to soften, because, because we've gotten lopsided in our society, I think and there's we're entering a new time of, we're entering a new era that I think we're we're creating something new and it's requiring both genders to reclaim what we've forgotten, you know, and what we've shut ourselves up from for so many reasons.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's a big thing. Yeah, for the women to, yeah, have that like bring down the armor, and you know that's a process as well, just from you know all the hurt that women in the centuries have endured and you know if you've had any abuse and all those sort of things. So a lot of men often I feel now as well feel like, oh well, all the women, you know they make their own money, they can protect themselves and provide, so they don't feel needed. And so women need to remember, like, yes, we can do these things, but we're not men and there's only specific things that men can bring to us. And remembering that we are actually, like our true nature is woman.
Speaker 1:And um, yeah, I feel this is a reclamation that's happening. It's like, yeah, just kind of understanding that you know. You know it kind of started in the war where, like, all the men were out at war and so the women started to take on the roles of the men and they were like getting important jobs now, and so they were like wanting to feel important and have the roles that men were having, and so, um, in that it was like, obviously, like a you know, it's what allowed women to like have a voice now, but it's also created women that don't remember and realize the value of femininity. Like often, women don't actually know what their value is as a woman. They think that they have to act as a man to bring value to this world and to relationships and to men.
Speaker 1:And men don't give a shit about how much money you're making or your intelligence and all these acuments. Like they want your femininity. You know it's like, and we want to be with masculine men. But yet you know it's like, like for me. You know like, yeah, like you know I'm seeing a man now and like he's so masculine that like I don't think we've ever talked about my work at all and you know, like a past version of me would be like, oh, he's like he doesn't care about my mission and all this, but like because he's so masculine, like I'm just so in my feminine energy that I don't care about talking about business with my partner.
Speaker 2:Like you know, you find that we talk about that a little bit Like when you're what happens to you energetically. When you're around a man that like that, your man that is so masculine, does it just automatically shift you kind of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is, this is a key I was just sharing with a sister today. It's like just this aspect of um feeling as though my man is like so there, like constantly, kind of like attuning to me, so like you know whether, if it's like filling up my water or making sure I have enough food in my plate, like just in a dinner setting, or just touching me, like making sure I'm like he knows I'm there, like constantly with him and he's there with me and I can just fully relax and not feel this anxiety like of this man. That's like this, you know, flittering around and he's just like not present and just all over the place. Like that creates so much anxiety in women. Like the masculine is like that, it's like's like rock, you know, it's the mountain energy and when we feel that like honestly, like polarity just naturally happens that's been my experience it's just like, yeah, I just naturally go into my feminine because he's so masculine, like I'm just talking to a guy right now.
Speaker 2:I have nobody knows this but whatever Um and I, I it's just such an unusual feeling Cause I literally just feel myself kind of melt and feel like incapable, sort of like, uh, like I don't even have a lot of loss for words and I'm just I'm feel so mushy and spirally and and like I can't control that, just like I don't even have a loss for words and I'm just I'm feel so mushy and spirally and and like I can't control that, just like it's almost like I can't I couldn't be anything different in the presence of that kind of energy, and that feels really unusual and yummy and a little I don't even know scary, but it feels you have to be willing to be willing to like surrender to that too it takes time, like it's not like you just like meet a masculine man instantly, just like surrender of everything, but like you can feel that element of like, oh, like softening and obviously more and more surrender happens as the relationship goes on.
Speaker 1:But you can feel it instantly, like, yeah, it's this element of just like leadership and like, just containment of you, without like the, without like trying. You know, it's not like dictating or needing to like dominate you, to like get feel powerful about himself. It's just healthy leader and that's connected to the heart, I feel, because he's connected to like, not just his ego and like how it makes him feel, it's like no, how, you know, is this going to like support both of us and that?
Speaker 2:containment versus like that controlling energy which I had said this with a previous guest that earlier on in my dating I was getting out of a relationship that was, I would say, there was flaccid energy on the other side, not that energy. And then was starting dating and encountering men that on the surface appeared to have masculine energy but but slowly seeped into like they were. They were bringing it controlling energy, you know, which is very different than containment and grounded rock energy it's, but it can be confusing, I think on the front end or maybe was to me at the time because I wasn't in a place where I was maybe attuned enough to my own feminine energy or something. I just didn't pick up on it right away. Now I feel like I'm very sensitive to that. Pick up on it right away. Now I feel like I'm very sensitive to that where I'm like, ooh, this isn't, this isn't supportive, this isn't in the service of it's, it's egoic Like it's, it's self-centered when it's in that controlling mode. Right Am.
Speaker 1:I getting that.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, yeah. So that's the difference, yeah.
Speaker 2:Can we? So we've touched on sort of the darker side of the masculine. Can we talk about the dark feminine? Yeah, tell me, tell me about. Tell me about her, or, if you want to talk about, maybe some of the archetypes within the dark feminine too yeah, um, yeah.
Speaker 1:So the dark feminine is really.
Speaker 1:You know, it's connecting to us, connecting us to the parts of us that we have demonized as women or shamed and like a huge aspect of that or archetype around that is well, essentially our sexuality is a huge aspect of that. So a lot of the like, erotic archetypes are linked with our dark feminine. So, you know, like the seductress, the temptress, the dominatrix, the wild woman, like sex priestess, like all these different flavors, um, have been so demonized in society, you know, just cast aside in the shadows and um, so a lot of women feel as though they have to choose between, you know, like their sexuality, or being like the good, good wife, and they can't have, they can't be both. Like a you know a wife and you know this like temptress and seductress and like bringing up all this like raw, primal, wild sexuality. So, um, so a big part of the dark feminine exploration is claiming your sexuality fully and integrating that with your heart and these more wider aspects, like the mother archetype and even the maiden and nurturing aspects as well, because, again, if you're just connecting with your dark feminine without the connection to your heart, then it can be really like toxic. You know, like, for example, seductress, if you don't have a connection to your heart and self-love, like you're just seducing to get validation, whereas the seductress in her full expression is actually um, radiating her eros and that seduces people into like beauty and they're just like drawn to you because you're radiating so much. But you don't need, you know, anyone to validate you. It's not, you're not needing anything from it.
Speaker 1:Um, and even the dominatrix energy. You know, if there's no heart in that, that can be just an excuse to just abuse men. You know, whereas, if you bring the heart, it can be like so healing and um, a way to explore, like power dynamics and like you know, owning what you want, exploring your desires and like kinks and bringing like this fantasy world to life, into your sex life and um, and you know you can go, you can go to pretty dark places with that. So if you don't have a connection to your heart, it can get like too dark and yeah, so, um, so yeah, our sexuality. And then it's things like, honestly, it's just things that you've exiled, like the parts of you that you were told as a child, that were a young girl, that were wrong or shameful, which obviously sexuality is part of that, but even it could be like. You know your sensitivity or your loudness.
Speaker 1:So the dark feminine comes in and helps you reclaim those parts of you that you think are unlovable essentially and sexuality is a huge part of that. So that's why a lot of it is based around the erotic archetypes. But, you know, dark feminine will help you. Yeah, reclaim your voice, reclaim your maybe like your um too muchness, like your bossiness, sensitivity, like all the things that you thought as a child were gonna. Well, you know, you may have had it. You might have actually had a direct experience. Where you're, you felt love was withdrawn when you showed that. So that gets thrown into the unconscious, into the shadows, and repressed. It's like if I show this part of me, this, that equals lack of love. So I'm going to never show that part of me. So dark feminine is about journeying into those parts and reclaiming those parts and integrating them back into your psyche.
Speaker 1:What haven't we talked about that that you feel we should talk about, or that's maybe surfacing in you or in your work recently, patterns you might be seeing, or yeah, I feel like because a lot of things have been, you know, around like receptivity, allowing the man to pour into you, feeling worthy, that this is a big frequency lately that I've been working with my membership, girls with, and yeah, the art of feminine receptivity and being like that open vessel to receive him and receive money and abundance and receive life, receive the divine, like. How open are we? And it's been a really a big journey around just um, you know, de-armoring the heart space, essentially like an armor that we're holding that's blocking, is that?
Speaker 2:where you start with somebody. I was gonna ask you that if somebody's coming to you and they're just on the front end of their journey and they're feeling really blocked, is that where, like how, how does a person start to just peel those layers away?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean, I would take them into the body directly, like I always work. I work with the somatics, somatic therapy, um, so getting them in their physical body and moving, sounding, like through any blocks. So through movement, like some shaking, somatic shaking, um, and yeah, focusing on the breath and the sound and the movement, and, you know, feeling the physical body first. So, whereas like the physical tension that you hold, you know, because we all have like tension points and like we just feel like, yeah, stuck energy in the physical body and then from there we go into the emotional body, so underneath, when you, you know, kind of pierce through the physical pain or sensation, there's an emotion and so that, yeah, it could be in your heart, it could be in your solar plexus, it could be in like your lower back, it could be in, you know, it could be in your soul plexus, it could be in, like your lower back, it could be, you know, your third eye, neck, wherever. So there's emotion that's getting blocked there and so that's what's, you know, blocking the channel and essentially creating that armor around us.
Speaker 1:So we need to feel through these blocks, these emotional blocks, and these are, you know, these could come from, like your childhood, when you, you know you suppress your sadness and you've never actually felt that sadness. So it gets stored in your heart, for example, as a layer of armor, because emotions, you know, they don't get stored in your brain. You can't, like, do uh, talk therapy and clear emotions out of your brain, because they get stored in your body, in the organs and the tissues. So we need to go into physical and emotional bodies to clear and that's what really, like, allows us to, yeah, feel softer.
Speaker 1:You know it's like we're so rigid and tense, like that's armor and um, energetic armor that's blocking essentially things from moving towards you, but also your life force, energy moving through you as well. And that's the key to tantra is, you know, unlocking your, clearing these blocks so your life force can move freely through you. And that's when you're living in alignment, what we say, and that's when, when you're living in alignment, that's when you know miracles happen. Manifestation is quicker because there's no obstructions, there's no blocks in your field. It's just like things can move in very easily. It's not like delayed, so it's all in the body.
Speaker 2:I've got a question for you. Is this like so? Is that when people say sex magic, is that what they mean by it? You clear the blocks, you make yourself an open channel and you start to see life. You know, we, you just use the word.
Speaker 1:That's when the miracles happen, or that's when the magic starts to happen is when there's alignment and no blocking, and so you use that as a modality to clear, clear the energy, sort of yeah, yeah, but like there's a thing with sex magic that I don't really use that as a vibe with it, because it's often about like, just, yeah, clearing the blocks, moving your life force so you're clear and moving your sexual energy, but then kind of just using that to manifest, like what you want, which is often coming from your ego, whereas I approach it with more.
Speaker 1:I approach it with more, um, I call it orgasmic co-creation. So you're, you know, you feel your desire from a pure place, like what is, and how does that co-create and align with, like, what's truly best for your soul? You know, not just what your ego wants, because that's not ultimately going to fulfill you in the end. You know, yeah, we can get these quick things, like, oh, I got this car, I got this boyfriend, I got this, but like, are you actually evolving and really deeply satisfied, like on a soul level? And often these things come quick but then they go quick and if you really tap into what's truly your path and what's truly aligned for you, what's really going to satisfy you, then that's what's like. You know these things last.
Speaker 2:Did you call it? What did you call it? Orgasmic co-creation?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wrote a chapter on that in my book.
Speaker 2:Actually that's so powerful Orgasmic co-creation yeah, I wrote a chapter on that in my book. Actually that's so powerful. Orgasmic co-creation yeah, energetically I can sense that, just the openness to divine and the openness of self and, yeah, that union of that bringing that together versus yeah, because I've been hearing this phrase sex magic and I'm like, and I and I'm also seeing that there are people that shy away from the word magic because it does assert this sort of like I'm gonna get what I want, versus a receptivity in it. That is like universe, god is god, what, what, what are you? What are we creating here?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, exactly, and I feel you know it doesn't mean you suppress your desires. Like all your desires, like from your heart, like your deepest desires, I feel are divine. You know they're coming for a reason and I feel like God, the divine, wants you to have. That you know. But you just have to let go of like attaching to when and how and like forcing it. It's like you're gonna get it. Just surrender and let go of control. You know like I always use that term like let go and let God you know, like handle it. It's just like we have to. Just it's out of our hands, like it's having the desire clearing the channel and then we just have to surrender and then be open to actually receive that.
Speaker 1:Those two I feel the last two are the hardest to work with like surrendering yeah, yeah, like surrendering, like it might not happen in your ideal timeline or the ideal way, and then when it does come, are you actually open to receive it? Because I feel that's what happens a lot, like you get the thing but then all your shit comes up and then you just like push it away or you can't even see it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're like, yeah, that's not really what I was looking for or something. Yeah, just the big baggage or self-sabotage right Of oh, here it is. But I think you know some of the manifestation work that it, you know, talks a lot and I think it's good about that subconscious lack of worthiness, and if we don't have that worthiness, can we really, can we really receive it? And so you know, doing that work too, like it's a it's a lot I always hesitate to say like it's a lot of work because I don't want to discourage people from doing the work, but the reality is it's. It's an easy to kind of see this meme on Instagram and be like, visualize the thing and then manifest a thing, but there's, there's work that goes into being an open channel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's a full part. And also, and also the thing is the key piece to receiving, as well as the nervous system being strong, and that's what a lot of the tantric practice, specifically white tantra, like the Kundalini yoga practices, and even just half the yoga, like all yoga, is designed to strengthen your nervous system so you can hold more, like that's what actually allows your auric field to expand. When you have a strong nervous system, your immunity, your auric field, and that's what allows you to hold more. Because if you have a weak nervous system, a frazzled nervous system, you're yeah, you you can't hold a lot, you're just like all over the place and it's like there's it's not a solid structure, like a solid energy that you're holding for anything to come in, like a little bit can come in, but it's, even then, like there's not a solid kind of frame around you like your auric field, which is linked with your nervous system. So, yeah, nervous system work is huge.
Speaker 2:I just heard this recently from an astrologer. I don't, this is a little bit tangential, but she was talking about how I don't remember if she used the words time collapsing, but just like the speed of everything right now, the way that things are happening astrologically and that things are coming. They are moving in quicker, things are changing quicker and we're going to see that collectively and she talked about that too. This is just yesterday um, the need to just have our nervous systems to do that work so that we can handle the rapid you know, pace of change and even rapid manifestation of the co-creation that's happening. Like, if it's coming in quick, yeah, are we like, oh gosh, this is so much to receive. I mean you can think of, I'm thinking of that. If it's sexually right, if it's a lot of pleasure, it's like, oh, can I, can I? Yeah, yeah, well, nadine, if people want to get ahold of you and find your work and dive in with you, where can they find you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you can go onto Instagram. It's tantricalchemyofficial, is the handle. Or you can go to my website, wwwtantricalchemynet. And yeah, you can find like all my programs there online programs, membership and retreats, all the things my book.
Speaker 2:Beautiful, yeah, beautiful. Well, thank you again for your time today, thank you again for the work that you're doing and just sharing it. I'm loving seeing how these threads are weaving through so many conversations in unexpected places. In my opinion, there is a lot of people that are waking up relatively suddenly to to these kinds of conversations or modalities that are really tapping into, alchemizing and awakening and rising. So thank you for your work and your contribution to that. Just to the collective. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1:Thank you, thanks for having me.
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