The Whole Shebang
The Whole Shebang Podcast is a space to explore our collective awakening, often through the lens of unifying the Divine Feminine and Masculine in order to experience our most whole lives.
Each week Jennifer connects with various teachers, authors, friends, heart centered leaders and creators on topics such as coming home to ‘Self,’ consciousness, sacred sexuality, manifestation, abundance, inner alchemy and personal growth.
These conversations are aimed at supporting people in connecting to their own inner knowing, power, and divinity, to enlighten their lived experience, and move people towards their fullest potential. The Whole Shebang Podcast is here to create an energetic space and channel where people are invited to re-member who we are as individuals, and as a collective.
It's with all the love, and so much joy that we invite you to to buckle up buttercups, because we’re diving in! - xx
The Whole Shebang
How to Channel & Access Your Intuitive Gifts | Jennifer Spor
"All of us are channels. It's just a matter of how acutely tuned in we are. Your human mind can only make decisions based upon this current lifetime and your past experiences, but your intuitive voice is focused on your expansion. There's a difference between believing and knowing - the knowing is in your body. The belief is in your mind." - Jennifer Spor
CHAPTERS:
0:00 Introduction to Embodied Divinity
4:34 Discovering Your Channel and Intuitive Gifts
16:21 Meditation as a Gateway to Higher Self
22:37 Understanding Intuitive Abilities and Clairsentience
32:12 The Body as Truth Detector
41:08 Healing Trauma and Frequency Work
49:01 Taking Leaps of Faith Without Clarity
55:21 Facing Fear and Finding Compassion
ABOUT JENNIFER SPOR:
Jennifer Spor is the CEO and Founder of her namesake company, co-Author of two bestselling books, and Host of Path of the Awakened Heart podcast. She is also a Spiritual Mentor, Channel, and Multidimensional Healer forSpiritual Visionaries.
Despite checking all the boxes off the list of what traditional society has taught it means to achieve success Jennifer was unfulfilled in her corporate retail career and life. She felt the call to make a bigger difference in the world. It was her own dark night of the soul and spiritual awakening that served as the catalyst to align her with her higher destiny. It became Jennifer’s mission to empower others to live as their most authentic self, align with their purpose and mission, and bring their highest vision for sharing their gifts and being of service into reality.
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Everything's happening right on time, learning how to develop a deeper trust. I have my moments too. Another program that we strive for perfection, and perfection is just another form of trying to control, and control is an illusion. There is no perfection, there is just the journey, the whole point of being a soul, having this human experience and this human body. It's to become embodied in our divinity.
Speaker 2:When did you start to know that you were a channel? What were the symptoms?
Speaker 1:All of us actually have these gifts right. I want to say first, really, that all of us are channels. It's just a matter of how acutely tuned in we are. It's just a matter of how acutely tuned in we are, the importance of being anchored into that truth, of feeling that truth in your body, which is connected to being tuned in to your intuitive voice. There's a difference between believing and knowing.
Speaker 2:The knowing is in your body, the believing is right here In your mind, yeah.
Speaker 1:What kept me on my path was that, despite how scared and insecure I felt, I knew that what I was being called to was more important than my own self-interest.
Speaker 2:Officially welcome to the whole shebang, jennifer. It's great to have you here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you. I'm excited to be here and to connect with you today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so let's start. If the listeners don't have any idea who you are, can you just start by telling them a little bit about your work and what led you to your work?
Speaker 1:Sure, I'm a spiritual mentor, a channel. I do a lot of channeling work and I'm also a multidimensional healer. And what does that mean, Right? That means I do a lot of work in the quantum field with my clients, so a lot of frequency healing when we are in a space where we are willing and ready, where we are willing and ready right to transform and to make change. It's crazy amazing how quickly right we can shift, and I love working with clients. It's so much fun. So I work with a lot of visionaries actually a lot of people, mostly women and some men who who know that they have a higher calling right, who know that they're meant to create something new right In contribution to the new earth. You've probably heard that term here and there. Um, basically, Basically, we're living in a time of really intense transformation right now, and so a lot of the people that I tend to work with are people who are being called to bring something forward that supports that transformation right, that supports that higher consciousness way of living and being. As we know, a lot of the societal constructs that we've had in place for so long aren't working anymore, and were they ever really? That could be a whole other conversation or podcast episode, but that's the work that I do.
Speaker 1:I also have co-authored two bestselling books.
Speaker 1:I have my own podcast that I host, Path of the Awakened Heart, which essentially highlights to tune into someone and see and feel and know what that highest path is for them, what's the highest destiny that they're here to fulfill in their life.
Speaker 1:And I speak a lot about purpose and mission and all of our purpose, as unique as each one of us are, all of our purpose is to live our best life here, essentially right, to learn and to evolve. And some of us have what I refer to as a mission, which also part of their path here right is something that they're being called to, to be of service to humanity and the planet. And I have a gift for being able to tap into that and also to be able to see, actually see and feel in someone's body and field. Right, when are those? What are they holding on to in their body that is holding them back, and I support them and hold space for them to release, to really deepen into living, embodied and expressed in the truth of who they really are, which then also unlocks their creative potential and and higher paths to experiencing more joy in their existence here.
Speaker 2:So that's just a little baby nutshell. Yes, I go deep, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm going to. I'm going to back us up if we can. I'm going to like back the bus up. Um, you know we chatted before we we hit record. We chatted a few weeks ago and connected a little bit and you know we both agreed let's go with the flow. We kind of have some ideas of things we want to talk about, but I'm going to go with the flow. As you're sharing this, the thing that's actually surfacing for me, which is surprising me, is to ask you a little bit about, um, what channeling is like and how you learned that you had that gift. Like how far back does this go and when did you start to kind of know that you were a channel? What were the symptoms for lack of a better way of putting it? How did you know that you were a channel? What were the symptoms for lack of a better way of putting it? How did you know that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that is a great question, and I don't get asked that question very often. I love this so much so my entire existence here, in this current lifetime right current lifetime, right I've always been energetically sensitive, like I remember, because in my generation, back in the day, I used to walk to school by myself as a kid, right, you know you don't really a lot of people don't do that these days, but but I would pass by someone's house or I would just pick up on something, right, I'd be picking up on all kinds of things energetically, whether they're other beings or just energies of the lands, just whatever else was going on, right. And then, like so many of us, because all of us actually have these gifts, right, I wanna say first, really, that all of us are channels. It's just a matter of how acutely tuned in we are right and it is something that you can actually develop, right. So, like so many people, I ended up really kind of shutting down those gifts, not intentionally, but I just I experienced a lot of trauma and I had a difficult childhood. It felt really hard.
Speaker 1:I was on my own when I was 16, fell into a lot of the constructs that a lot of us have or do around, you know, feeling like we have to achieve a certain defined picture of success for ourselves. I did that and I did all of that actually check those boxes off the list and in my corporate career in the retail industry before I started doing this work many years ago being sensitive, energetically, being hugely empathic served me really well, actually, because I worked with a lot of people and I also oversaw a lot of people, whether you know, it was dealing with the internal customer, which is what I used to call my employees, right or the external customer. So having that gift served me really well. But it was really when there were no longer any promotions, there weren't any boxes to check off the list. That's when the fog started to lift and I started wondering, okay, what's next? When I didn't think there was going to be a next, because I was embedded in that program of moving through life in this chronological order, right, like you get the job, you achieve the success and then you retire, and all of that was crumbling for me. I was like, okay, so I was essentially directed which, of course, nothing happens at random, right I was directed to start going within, and so immediately I embarked on this journey of rediscovery because I realized during that time as well that I didn't really know who I was.
Speaker 1:I was in a high level leadership role and executive position where I was on all the time in my work, so it required a lot of my time and energy and focus. And then, when I wasn't, I was kind of defaulting to, just like you know, whatever my friends and my family wanted to do, which wasn't a bad thing per se. I just realized that I wasn't creating any space for myself to stay in touch with who I was, and so immediately I embarked on this journey, got into meditation. So meditation I would recommend and I still do today to the clients that I work with is the number one way to tap into your channel, to connect more deeply with God, with, with your highest self.
Speaker 1:I've been meditating seven days a week for 15 years. It just is part of me wherever I go, no matter what's happening in my life, no matter how busy I think I am. I create that space first thing in the morning when I wake up for myself every. How much time is it? Yeah, not very much. It's like 15 minutes, and I have some other healing rituals and other things?
Speaker 1:How much time is it to maintain energetic hygiene, to like keep your field clear every day, right, and, and especially with everything that's happening in the world right now like you and I were just speaking before we hit record the struggle is real. Okay, it's like not getting swept up essentially in everything that's going on, and and creating that ritual of meditation really is everything in helping you to stay grounded and centered and focused, and and you can do it any time of day I always recommend, especially for those who are beginners with meditation, to start out doing it in the morning, because I believe it really sets the tone for your day. Like you're going in centered and focused and grounded, with a clearer sense of who you are. So, whatever you're taking on, whatever is occurring around you, you're less likely to get knocked off of your path, and so for me. So there was meditation, and not very long, probably about a month after I started that I just started having experiences.
Speaker 2:Like what? So, like I'm going to be the typical listener right now, I feel like, okay, let me just. Let me just pause and say I identify with this idea that we're all a channel and I like to think of it. Let me just pause and say I identify with this idea that we're all a channel and I like to think of it. I mean, I'm guessing there's kind of a spectrum of it, but on a very base level. I like to use the example with people when you create anything a song, a poem, a new spreadsheet you're getting the idea from somewhere.
Speaker 2:So even to me, I'm like is that we may not be speaking the same language when we're talking about being a channel? But I'm like, okay, okay, so there's like a base level of what it means to channel an idea from some greater source than ourselves. But then I'm like there are probably a lot of people listening that are like so, so, like the sixth sense, like the classic movie do you see dead people? Do you? You're like, or how do you hear? How do you hear audible voice? So people that are just curious about maybe for themselves, or maybe about the process, or maybe about what they can fine tune, but also just what the process is like for you in hearing source or hearing higher self in hearing source or hearing higher self.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm glad you're you're saying this because, yeah, there are a lot of places we can go with this. Okay, so for someone who's maybe more of a beginner right in terms of meditation or tuning into themselves, channeling you're connecting with your intuitive voice is also part of that right your highest self so we are not the human part of us isn't the core center of who we are. It's an aspect of who we are. We are a soul. So we're this light being right, this energetic being having an experience in this physical human body. So, first and foremost, you can call it your intuition, you can call it your highest self. First and foremost, I recommend people seek to intentionally establish a connection there with their highest self, with their own intuition right and learning how to discern between the higher mind, the intuitive voice, versus the ego mind. The ego mind is the lower human mind and it's amazing and it absolutely serves a purpose for our existence here. But the reason why you want it to be more play, more of a supporting role, versus being the starring role right of your life, is because your human mind can only make decisions based upon this current lifetime, this experience that you're having and your past experiences. Your human mind isn't focused on your expansion, the way that your intuitive voice or your higher self is right. So when someone's in more of the beginning stages of all of this, their their inner development right, or developing their channel, I always recommend that first they they practice on discerning between those two voices and get really grounded in terms of how their higher self, how their intuition, feels in their physical body.
Speaker 1:Now, a couple minutes ago, you had brought up you know, oh, do you you know, see dead people? Do you hear stuff or like you know? How does that happen? The answer to that question is that it's different for each one of us, right? So someone may just know something without being able to explain how they know, like they just have a thought or a clarity or an idea, right, drop in, that's clear cognizance, which means clear seeing. I'm just going to go over the basic ones, okay, basic gifts. So someone else might have a gift for seeing in their mind's eye, in their third eye, or seeing in their mind visions, right. Or they may even see stuff in the physical reality. That's called clairvoyance, right, clear seeing, clear knowing, clear seeing.
Speaker 1:Then the next one is this one isn't as common. It's it's clairaudience, which is clear hearing, right. So someone may experience like they feel like they actually heard a voice but there's no one around, right, they're hearing that within their right being, essentially. Or they may physically hear someone who's crossed over or some kind of other being in their physical reality as well. That's clear audience, which is clear hearing.
Speaker 1:And there's a fourth main one that's escaping me at the moment. So seeing, knowing, of course, this is the biggest one For me anyway. Well, one of the biggest ones Clairsentience. Right, that's clear feeling. So we talk about being empathic. Empaths have the biggest ones clairsentience, right, that's clear feeling. So we talk about being empathic. Empaths have the gift of clairsentience, so you can physically feel other people, their emotion, you can physically feel another presence around you, right, whether you can see it or not is another thing. You might just get the chills. That's how you might get validation for something. So everyone's different and so it's identifying for you. Like, most people have one or two gifts that are more prominent for them versus others, right, Are all of those gifts, aversion, like I?
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh, I'm definitely clairsentient to some degree, like I can feel sensations in my body, and but to me I've always thought that that is my intuition. Are those the same thing or are they different? Yeah, like intuition and clairsentience, is it essentially the same? We're saying the same thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Well, they're not, you know. So clairsentience would be like a branch of your intuition, like a vehicle or a way that your intuitive voice or your highest self speaks to you.
Speaker 2:Okay, got it. Okay, yeah, okay, so you started. Okay. So somebody that is is working on developing one or more of these gifts right now, where do they start? You talked about feeling it in their body, like what? What are the steps that they can do if they're just like I? I'm open to this, but I I'm just mostly thinking in my logical, egoic mind how do I move out of that?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So everybody, whether they've paid much attention to it or not, they've had a moment or several moments in their life where their intuition has spoke to them, where their highest self has spoken to them, right. So my recommendation would be to create space for yourself in meditation or just contemplation, right To recall those times, recall a time when you knew something or you got a sign from within yourself about something. It could have been affirmative or it could have been something that was telling you no, don't do that. Right, tune into what that felt like for you in that moment, recalling that memory, and that's a marker to how your intuition speaks to you. Then, from there, it's setting an intention to bring more of those experiences into your conscious awareness.
Speaker 1:So, when you're making decisions throughout your day right, it could be you know what does my body want for dinner? That feels healthy and vibrant to me, right. And listening for the answer, or feeling the answer, it's a lot like working a muscle, so you practice more and more using it for little decisions, big decisions and over time, you just are so tuned into yourself that it's on demand for you. It's not a process that you consciously have to move through Now, where a lot of people are challenged is when it comes to making some of the bigger decisions of our lives, right? So, whether it's buying a house or changing careers, or either entering or exiting a relationship, you know, some of those bigger decisions, people tend to doubt themselves around and will sometimes default to making a decision that is based off of a societal construct that doesn't actually reflect what, in their heart, they really desire. Right, right, they're doing it to perform.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've experienced too, just like this. I'm really working on being self-aware. I feel like for the last year, I've been in somewhat of a waiting period as I've transitioned out of a major job and like trying not to just make a decision out of my logical mind and like waiting for clarity, but also being like I got to pay the bills. You know, like universe, I'm ready and and working on finding this balance between patience and not making a decision, also out of fear. So, whether it's out of a societal construct or just fear, of like an anxiousness, uh, you know, because we live in time, because I'm like time is running out, I've got to make a decision. Because time is running out, how do you, how do you know how long to wait?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's an interesting question, because time is a construct and time we only operate within that construct. Here, right Beyond this earthly third dimensional plane that we live on, there is no time. Everything is happening in the now. You're a multi-dimensional being, right? So your perceived past, present, future experiences are all happening in the now, within and throughout different aspects of you. So the whole concept of past, present, future and time serves us in our humanness, right, in a way that our human mind is able to comprehend and take in all of that right, the enormity of all of that right, without exploding, basically, yeah, so.
Speaker 1:So this is another benefit of getting really deeply tuned in and embodied in living from your soul and living from your intuition, because it's never going to try to control, it's never going to, you know, cause you to question yourself. It's always going to feel neutral, right? So, no matter how you receive that information, it's always going to be neutral in nature and it's always going to be pointed toward your expansion. So, if this is a very real thing, right, for a lot of people, especially when you're being called to some greater vision, right, that's on your heart, it's like, well, how do I do that dance between answering the higher calling and paying my bills? Tune into your intuition, your highest self, on that and listen for the answer that comes through. Right, god knows that we have bills to pay, that we're all these things that we're doing, right, having this human experience.
Speaker 1:Learn to rely on your intuitive voice for everything. There is nothing that is excluded and it's an everyday devotion, right, it's every day. And, like I said, over time, when you're consistent in your devotion to your practice, it will start to happen on demand for you and it'll start to feel more and more natural. I like to, you know, to remind everybody to be compassionate with themselves and to give themselves a break, because these are really turbulent, transformational times. We're living in societal constructs ancestral constructs, I mean and on top of that, when you go deeper and deeper into your spiritual journey, then there can be subconscious stuff that you're holding on to in your body that you're not even aware of and that also may not even be from this current lifetime that you're in. So it's so important to be compassionate with yourself and to really honor yourself when you want to rest or whatever it is that you're feeling guided to, even if, and especially when, it doesn't make logical sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, there was. I had a moment a couple of days ago. I'm, I'm like, just, I can never get enough of like reading and listening to podcasts and, think, you know, contemplating these ideas, and I've been. I would say I don't mean this in a gloaty, prideful way, but I've been doing a lot of pretty deep inner work for a lot of years and every once in a while which this happened to me yesterday I'll hit this point of being like I'm tired of doing the work. I'm just tired of wondering if I'm, you know, like I had this moment yesterday of like, why is the clarity not here? Am I not vibrating at a high enough level, like, am I not, you know, and then just kind of spinning on, am I spiritually bypassing it and then just being like you know what F it like?
Speaker 2:Not, not, not I'm giving up on the devotion to it, but, but just having this moment of like I'm just trying to control it probably in all of these ways, which is like anti, what I should be doing. Just, I just had a moment yesterday of just just let it go, just be, just like, live right now. What would you say to that? When you hit these causes, do you experience that? Or is that pretty normal that we would have these points of getting tangled up in the spiritual practice? Even Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Absolutely All of what you're describing is all ego based, it's all and it's all the human aspect of the mind that is questioning because it doesn't know what to do, right? Because, again, it is not your soul, it's not your highest self.
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 1:It doesn't know what to do, it starts questioning and challenging, and really the whole point is to become self-aware as such that you are present in the now moment, that everything is happening in the now right. So whatever is happening right now, in this now moment, is exactly it and sometimes and I want to say also right, because you can feel like there are times where you're not feeling as connected with God or you're not feeling as connected with your highest self. Sometimes that happens when we are being divinely guided to be laser focused on where we're at in this present moment. It's like everything else is falling away so that you can be centered in what is right in front of you.
Speaker 2:So interesting Everything's happening right on time everything's happening right on time Outside of time in the quantum field. I mean it is right, Everything's happening right on time here Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just learning how to develop a deeper trust of that and listen. I've support other people in this work. I've been doing this for a while and I have my moments to. The whole point and this is another thing too is that we another program, that we strive for perfection, and perfection is just another form of trying to control, and control is an illusion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, there is no perfection, there is just the journey, and the whole point is us being a soul, having this human experience in this human body. It's to become embodied in our divinity. That's the whole point of this entire journey. It's not about perfection, it's about the journey, and Jesus and Mary Magdalene are actually two amazing examples of that right.
Speaker 2:What do you know about Mary Magdalene? Tell me everything you know. I she has been calling me for the last year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. She calls typically when you know you're on a journey of awakening more to your divine feminine and also on the journey of integration between your divine feminine and your sacred masculine. So there's a lot of buzz in the world and in spiritual communities about the divine feminine, and rightfully so, because it's been willfully suppressed for a couple of thousand years. Right, and there's that. And it's also redefining what the masculine means to us. Right, because there's this societal program of the inverted masculine, of the need.
Speaker 2:What does that mean? The inverted masculine.
Speaker 1:Right. So traditional society, right, has defined the masculine more as the need to do, to constantly do, and that you can only achieve X, y, z thing if you do. Now the sacred masculine, the true divine definition of the masculine right is, yes, it does take action, it does do, but it takes action in devotion to the feminine. So it's integrating both of those aspects of you, right. So the divine feminine represents the creative aspect of you, the intuitive aspect of you that is bringing through where your soul's guiding you, that is bringing through more of what you're being called to in your life. And the masculine is then taking action in devotion to that right. So there's a lot of taking action in the world that's ego based, that's based only on self interest.
Speaker 1:So you were saying Jesus and Mary Magdalene are great example good example yes, yes, of living embodied in your divinity, right Of living as an awakened being in the human experience. You know, they were enlightened. They didn't sit on a throne all day, you know, or what you might be doing.
Speaker 2:They were doing things they were doing things.
Speaker 1:They were out there right. So it's not about perfection, it's about living, it's about having the journey, it's about loving all aspects of yourself and all of the experiences that you have, the difficult ones and the ones that bring you joy. It's all of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's been. You know, in the little bit of scratching the surface, of studying that I've done with Mary Magdalene, that you know, the themes that are surfacing for me is that combination of divinely human, you know, being divine, being fully divine and fully human. And then we don't necessarily need to go down this path, but the that there is no sin except for the missing, the mark that is. It's misaligned with our sense of self, our truth, which our embodied truth is, and really what has been suppressed, or what I've seen that's been suppressed, is via the divine feminine, is our embodiment, that which is where this power is, the power that you're talking about, our intuitive sense, right, it's in our body. So it's no, it's no coincidence that we've been encouraged to get out of touch with our bodies and in touch with either surface bodily things or our minds, because the powers in the body, that's at least where that's as far. It's taken me years to distill into that, but that's as far as I've come.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's exactly. That's exactly it, and something that I also speak of often in a lot of different contexts, whether it's with clients on my podcast or whatever it's like the importance of being anchored into that truth right, the importance of feeling that truth in your body which is connected to being tuned into your intuitive voice. So, for me, feeling truth like a knowing in my body, not there's a difference between believing and knowing. Okay, you know, the knowing is in your body.
Speaker 1:The belief is right here in your mind, yeah so knowing for me and it's claircognizance, but it's also I physically feel very centered and neutral and strong and grounded, especially in that she says I was born to do this Right. Do you feel that grounded, embodied truth?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a. I've shared this before. I mean many episodes ago on my podcast. It was such a profound moment for me. I had actually a business coach, and I mean many episodes ago on my podcast, it was such a profound moment for me. I had actually a business coach and I was, you know, reflecting something back to her and I said you know, I just knew. And she said I'm going to stop you there, how did you know? And I said well, I just I felt it. She said, well, where in your, where in your body did you feel it? So this is probably eight years ago now. It was the first time.
Speaker 2:It seems so odd to me now because of how much work I've done, but I'm like it was the first time that anybody had said where in your body did you feel that and what did it feel like? And because we're moving so fast and I think we're so numb, many of us have been through different kinds of trauma or things that we've disassociated from our body. So, to even know what it feels like, to feel grounded in our physical body, because sometimes they'll say, well, let's feel grounded, and people will state, okay, well, here are the facts that I know They'll state logic to help them feel secure, right. They'll state logic to help them feel secure, right, rather than actually sensing. What does it feel like? Sense sensationally in your body, to to feel grounded, and I think that is really foreign for a lot of us.
Speaker 1:It is, and I want to say as an example, to help those who are listening to even better understand, right, that's one of the ways that I work with clients in frequency. Healing is that I can see and feel what's going on in their body. Right, someone wants to work on healing a trauma. The first question I start with. We get grounded and I ask them the question where do you feel that in your body before we get started, right, and then I do my thing.
Speaker 2:We, all of these magical energy. What's your thing? Let's talk about this frequency healing. What does that mean? What do you do?
Speaker 1:There aren't words for it. I can see and feel what is going on in someone's body. So, whatever the thing is let's say healing from a trauma that they're still holding on to we start with getting grounded, obviously creating that sacred space and that that vortex essentially is what it is. You know, we're stepping into an energetic vortex together. I'm asking them where do you feel that in your body? How, what is your level of willingness right level of willingness right To to heal it? Because sometimes what happens to is someone will say, oh, I want to focus on this in our session, and they'll be coming from their mind. You know well, of course I want to heal this trauma. Of course they do. Why would I want to hold on to that?
Speaker 2:That's absurd, but sometimes there are reasons why we resist letting things go, and a lot of it has to do with feeling safe. Oh, let's talk about that. So why? Why do people from here here, over here I know, I know, well, I'm just gonna go down this path, somebody is listening right now no-transcript them from being healed?
Speaker 1:It's fear of the unknown.
Speaker 1:When you and this actually goes for a lot of what we talked about about liberating ourselves from constructs, right, when you've lived your whole human life here a certain way, especially when it comes to trauma, because a lot of the fact, right, is that many of us know our abusers, okay, more often than not it's not a stranger, and so let's say it's a close family friend or a relative, right, a parent, a sibling, someone that you've been taught to believe is someone that you trust, that you can trust, and someone that is a lifelong part of your life.
Speaker 1:The thought sometimes of letting that go or sacrificing that relationship potentially feels scarier than than the devil. They know, essentially, sure, sure, so we have to. You know, frequency healing is really powerful, but sometimes, depending on how deeply embedded this is with someone, sometimes we have to start with the mental space to be able to start to peel back the layers, to get to the place where they're willing to release all the energy that they're holding on in their body. Okay, so I didn't lose track of where we're willing to release all the energy that they're holding on to in their body.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I didn't lose track of where we're going. We're coming back to the frequency, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But so, for example, right, the very basic place to start is it's like yeah, I've experienced this trauma, I know it's triggering me, I know that it's something I want to release, create space to focus, start focusing intentionally on what you do want. You're really tuned into what you don't want to experience, that you're experiencing. Start with what you do want to experience to help you to work your way up the vibrational scale, right.
Speaker 2:To start to get closer to the space where you're willing to release. All of that Is a lot of that frequency work that you're doing around healing trauma, or is it just? Is it around other things too?
Speaker 1:It's other things too. It's it's other things too. So I tend to attract people that are feeling called to birth something new into the world, right, they're essentially paving a path, so there is no playbook for for what they're here to do, and that requires a deeply embodied, anchored level of devotion to, to staying on your path, right, and so trauma is one of the components. It is a common one because a lot of healers, a lot of people, depending on the nature of the work that they're being called to, have also had deeply traumatic experiences in their own life. Right, and that's not random, you know, because we are always called to something that involves what we've experienced on our personal journey. Right, because our experiences are crystallized into wisdom and sometimes so I was just going to say sometimes the people you may be feeling called to be of service to are only a couple of steps behind you in their own evolution.
Speaker 2:Interesting. I was going to ask that makes a lot of sense. I was going to ask so for for people, aka me. But you know people that are feeling called or feeling that like you were. You know you were in this high level executive position and you just were like there's something else kind of percolating here. Yeah, you know where, but the clarity hasn't landed, or the or we think it hasn't landed, like what is the thing? What am I doing? How do you? How do you find the clarity?
Speaker 1:Yeah, on purpose about that, my own story. I've made lots of leaps of faith, minus clarity at this point, but the first one. So earlier I was talking about this career that I used to have before I started my business. I talked about how I wasn't feeling fulfilled anymore, although I embarked on my spiritual journey of rediscovery. Right, I didn't leave my job right away, and I didn't do it because I was scared. I had fear. I had all the questions come in about well, where are you going to make this salary? Where are you going to be this established? All of these questions kept coming forward. You know about, am I worthy enough to leave my job at this point, especially because I'm, you know, gen X, right, those when you're trained that life follows this chronological order, you get scared because you don't know any different. So I didn't leave my job right away. The catalyst for me taking action I ended up voluntarily stepping down from my position in the end.
Speaker 1:Okay, what happened was about a year and a half, two years, after my initial kind of awakening. My mom was diagnosed with terminal cancer and at the time I was living on the East Coast and she was out here in Idaho, where I am now. There was a moment I was trying to juggle my time with being on in my job all the time, but being present also for my family and my mom, and toward the end, literally a few days before she passed, I was in Idaho, sitting by her hospital bed in her home, just trying to be present with her. My phone started blowing up. Okay, there was a moment where the universe was giving me the 1 millionth opportunity to choose Was I going to respond to that issue Right, or was I going to be present to my mom? And it was in that moment that I was done. I decided I was done. Never again will ever buy into the illusion that I have to choose between my own well being right and doing what I'm supposed to do right.
Speaker 1:So that was the beginning of the end, and I ended up because, at the time, remote work culture wasn't a thing. When my mom passed away, I wanted to be physically closer to my remaining family members, and so in order to do that, I had to step down from my role. And I say this much like the lyrics of a country song, because you've got to have a sense of humor with these things too. It's just like what ended up happening was I knew I couldn't be in that role anymore, so I literally rented out my house in New Jersey, I packed up my car and I headed out west. I drove my car across the country by myself. I was single at the time and I had. I didn't have any clarity, okay, I had no idea what was going to happen. I ended up staying on with the company I'd been working for in a consulting capacity during the transition. When I clarity came after I made that leap.
Speaker 1:Okay, it was during that time that I had moved, that I had invested in coaches, therapists, healers, psychics and all of these people to support me on my path. At the time, what I couldn't find was someone who could support me in relating to what I was going through and to support me in integrating who I was becoming into my physical reality, in my body, in my human awareness. Right, how did that spiritual awakening translate into my humanness? That was when I realized my path. I was like it's me. I got to do it.
Speaker 1:You know, when I first started my business, I was working mainly with other corporate women leaders, right? Who? Who were longing for that deeper fulfillment, for that deeper embodiment of the truth of who they are, and over the years, as my own gifts and abilities have flourished more and more, I've continued to evolve in my work and I, you know, essentially what happens is the clients that I work with are are on a journey of evolution, as as I am. So that's what happened, and it didn't unfold until I made the decision that I was going to leap forward in faith, not knowing.
Speaker 2:Do you see that pattern often, that people leap before they have clarity?
Speaker 1:That people leap before they have clarity. What I'm saying, I see every day, is that that's something that people struggle with, right, because we're so deeply conditioned to believe, right, that things have to happen in this compartmentalized way. And let me tell you that is literally the direct opposite of who you are as a soul, how you are wired. You are this amazing, powerful, creative being, and living within a conformist box is the opposite of who you are. Now, was it scary to do all that?
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm not going to make it seem like it was rainbows and unicorns, you know, all of the time it wasn't. But what kept me on my path from the very beginning is that I knew that, despite all of my own fears and insecurities and, believe me, there were a lot just because I was this leader in this big company and whatever, I had lots of unhealed trauma, lots of fear of being seen, lots. But what kept me on my path was that, despite how scared and insecure I felt, I knew that what I was being called to was more important than my own self-interest.
Speaker 1:I've always had the desire to make a difference.
Speaker 2:Right, and that is beyond. You know what my own ideas of being successful are, or you know anything that can can really be defined, and that's what's kept me on the path. That's beautiful. Yeah, I was going to ask you a bit ago about the fear component, so I'm glad you touched on that. Even just in developing the giftings of channeling and clairsentience and whatever the specific gifts you are, or for anybody else that's listening, that's developing them, I think there's a lot of fear around being judged some kind of way over. Like as soon as you start to talk about that, especially in a non spiritual setting or a non woo setting, my experience is that some people are like open to it, and then there are a lot of people that are like, oh, she's going off the deep end. Have you had fear of fear like that? Or how have you worked through? Has that been a case for you? Or do you see that with people you work with?
Speaker 1:And it was a challenge for me in the beginning as well, and I've had close relationships leave my life. I had a lifelong best friends, like a sister, that we parted ways. You know there's a lot of components around this, you know. The first thing is to understand that each one of us is unique. Each one of us is on our own path here and each one of us has the ability to make free will decisions, including choosing how we decide to perceive and feel about something, choosing how we decide to perceive and feel about something right.
Speaker 1:So when you start to understand that, to think that you can control all of that which is where people pleasing comes from it's crazy, right. It's literally like beating your head against the wall and, yes, I want everyone to have that visual because it's how. That's, how insane, it is Right, it's pointless. You know, when you start to understand that, then you really start to come into your own more In terms of allowing the truth of who you are to really start to come forward, and then you start feeling guided to make different external changes in your life right, and relationships are a big component of that. The people that are questioning you or making fun of you or challenging. You are not your people.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, and a lot of people struggle too, because sometimes that can be your family, sometimes it can be someone that you feel close to, and you really just have to tune into your intuition, right. And and from a space of being open and willing to see the truth, you can ask to be shown the truth. Right, what's the truth of where this person is coming from? Are they challenging me because they're truly concerned for my well-being or are they challenging me because they're triggered by their own insecurities and then take action from that space? Right, it's a process, it's a journey, and as you evolve and more and more right and get more and more tuned in and to living, embodied in the truth of who you are, you still have challenges that that come up, because that's just part of being a soul in a human body. The difference is they're more like blips on the screen.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because you're you're, you're clear in your sense of self Right and it makes you show up in a more, a much more decisive way in your life.
Speaker 2:Look at us. We're already at an hour, Jennifer. I just glanced down.
Speaker 1:I mean, I could talk about this all day, forever and ever.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, let's. Let's tune in for a second and just. Is there anything else that's on your spirit, heart, mind that you feel compelled to share, to speak to today, that we haven't touched on?
Speaker 1:I just, you know what's coming forward right now to to share is really, don't dismiss whatever's coming forward for you, right? Whether you're scared of something, whether you're excited about something, that greater vision that you're being called to, curiosity and humility are the qualities to embody right. Be open to admit to yourself that you don't know it all, and you don't need to, you know and get curious about being present to all of what you're experiencing. If you're feeling fear, explore why that is, acknowledge it, right. Because what?
Speaker 1:Because what happens, too, is that we are trained to suppress, push it down, push it down, push it down, and that's what then manifests itself as disease, physical disease and a lot of other mental health disorders. A lot of other mental health disorders, a lot of other things, are a result of, you know, pushing that energy, holding on to that in your body. So, just getting curious, just don't dismiss yourself, you know. Embrace yourself, get curious about what you're experiencing, get to a place where you're willing to let it go. When you're in a place that you're willing to see what you can't see today, then that's when things start shifting very, very quickly in your reality.
Speaker 2:Is that this seems like such a simple sort of potential observation, but as you were sharing all of that, to me that feels like a form of just compassion for self. Yes, it's. You know, the ability to whatever is arising, to not judge it, to not dismiss it, to not suppress it, to not suppress it, but to hold space for that thing, like you would a child, almost just to have compassion.
Speaker 1:Yes, Compassion for it. Is that accurate yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Mercy grace. You know, give grace to yourself the way that you so generously wish to give it to others. You know, we, as humans, love to think that there has to be some kind of complicated equation or formula. Right, that is the answer to what is happening in the world, and you know what the answer is. It's yourself, and when you work on yourself, then you begin to emanate that frequency and it has a ripple effect. What if every person in the world were understanding everything that you and I are talking about in this conversation right now? Just with that, how different would our world be?
Speaker 2:Maybe just a tad bit different, but not that I've got it all figured out by any means. But I just recorded a solo episode for this podcast yesterday, because what's been surfacing for me lately is the conversation around what it really means to have empathy and understanding, or an attempt to understand other people, no matter their beliefs, their perspectives, their woo, their not woo, their politics, their whatever that self-awareness and attempt to have awareness of others. I'm not even going to say awareness of others, because I don't think we can know people the way we can know ourselves, but we could try, and I think if we did we'd be a lot better off as a society. It's hard, though it's hard, it's not. It's not easy when people are very different from our own, our own sense of self you know, but, yeah, but when you're, you know really embodying that compassion, you know having mercy and forgiveness.
Speaker 1:Forgiveness because you understand that you have your own challenges on your journey and everyone else is experiencing their own story, their own journey of unfolding too, and we have no clue what that is for them. You know. Coming back to, because we've we've talked about so much today the answer to everything is getting clear and anchored in your sense of self. The answer to everything is feeling truth in your body and using that one thing to navigate everything.
Speaker 2:This is so good. Jennifer, if people are listening today and they would like to connect with you, where can they find you? How can they get ahold of you?
Speaker 1:The best place to go is is my website, jennifer scorecom. So that's J E N N I F E R S P O Rcom. You can find my podcast there. You can find find out more about the different ways to work with me. If you're interested in connecting more. I also post all of my pod, my podcast interviews, as a guest there too. So if you want to get to know me more first, you can, you know, spend as much time as you want listening content you know, all day long. So yeah, and and where I'm at on social media, my website is the best place for all of that.
Speaker 2:Wonderful. Thank you so much. Thanks for your work and thank you for joining me today.
Speaker 1:Thank you, it was an honor. I really really enjoyed our talk.
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