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Let's go. Master of all things tabletop with the Paladins of Podcast. They ruin the games you love by talking rules that suck, how to build kick ass encounters, destroy worlds, and really get your players invested. So go ahead and throw that fistful of dice at someone. Because we're going on a side quest.

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Welcome back to Fight What's Not podcast. Welcome back to Side Quest with the podcast. No, the balance of the podcast revolving like we really messed this one up. My, I just woke up. It is early. I overslept, I am having one hell of a day. Mike, how are you doing?

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Oh, I'm better than yours, apparently. I got up on time, and I did my normal routine, and, I was here on time as well. Did I mention that?

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Yeah, that. That's great. It's not like I was late to the office. And you're also time zone behind me.

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So it's.

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Not fair. Anyhow, today we have with us Andy, Andy Gibson, you. Andrew Gibson's the better stage name we were just talking about. That got me in the head. It's messed up our intro. Andy, tell us who you are, where you're from, what you do, where people can find you. And, well, I've in.

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Well let's see.

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My name is. I like Andy, but yeah, Andrew Gibson is a better stage name. I'm a professional improviser. I am a I am a manager for actors. I am, I'm a YouTuber. I'm an actor. I'm a voice. I'm everything. I handle different people's YouTubers. It's. I'm everything you can find me at. I'm one of the ones I, I want to plug is, is my friends that I'm kind of one of the ones I'm managing is, turmoil of trolls, which is, a D&D style group.

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And then my personal one is I are Bruce Bruce, which I play kind of a mini troll character. So I like, not like I like a physical, like, kind of less like playing games, like really psychopathic and really. So I just have fun with that. But that's that's basically. Yeah, that's me in a nutshell.

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I think that's great considering you already started shenanigans before we hit record.

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Oh, good. Absolutely. No no no it wasn't.

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It was it was as we pressed record and doing the countdown, he started the shenanigans.

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We were like, stop. No, it was absolutely like we second we.

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Pressed, let's go. He's like, wait a second.

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Looking back up now. No, I wanted to back. I wasn't ready.

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That's right, that's right. But you know what? We're we're correcting. We're fine. We are on our way. So voice actor, YouTube management, that's a lot. And it is nerd related. So what got you into all of it?

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Honestly? Honestly. Bob, partner. I don't know if you know that. He's, like, the voice of Shao Khan, and he's the voice of, like, BoJack from different stuff. When I, when I, I first like he he's a big inspiration for that. And he, like, he'll throw something at me. He'll be like, hey, I need someone to learn how to animate.

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And I'm like, let him know how to animate. You get three months. He gives me three months. I, I watch about the YouTube channels, I learn how to animate. I learned he taught me about managing. He taught me about taxes, all sorts of stuff. He's amazing. I love Bob and like, that's what really got me into it, because he instilled in me this belief that we're not in this alone.

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We should be supporting each other and helping each other. And that's really what brought me onto all that. And as for why I why I do all of it, it's because if I don't get my creativity out daily, I start losing my mind. So just having as many outlets as possible is so important to me.

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Oh, I definitely agree with that. I'm, I'm I'm definitely on you on board with that one man. Like, yeah. So you know, Bob, so you, you and Bob or like buddies.

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Well, we're really close. Like, I can literally call him and be like, hey, I'm going through a hard time. Can we talk? And he'll be like, yeah, give me like an hour and we'll do it. Sometimes he can't. He's really busy, and to this day, I still have to pay for sessions. But that's that's mostly because, like, he is so busy.

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And if I do that, he gives me a big discount. But if I do that, I have his time.

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So that's great. No, I mean that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a huge thing, especially for like mentors and stuff. And what I've learned about mentors, is when you, when you actually pay for something, you actually give 100% of your focus and your time, and you actually get more out of it than giving something for free, you know?

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Oh, absolutely. That's definitely especially for somebody like that. And, you know, in the department and whatnot like that. I think that's amazing. I was very, you know, very impressed when I learned that about you as well. So I think it's amazing, man.

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Oh yeah. Absolutely. I, I love Bob and it's, I have a very bad habit of, like, if I meet famous or important people, they fall in love with me rather quickly. And it honestly frustrates me because it's like I'm like ash from Pokemon. I don't win any of my gym battles. I just get the gym leader to like me.

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So that's that's at least you're honest.

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That's a funny way to equate things, but it works. It works. Yeah. Awesome. So now we generally talk primarily about tabletop role playing games. Where and where where we I mean, we have to stay laser focus. And the reason we stay laser focus is because otherwise we become a pop culture, podcast. And there are a million of those.

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And in our space, really a lot of people who want the tabletop podcast, you only really have actual plays. So we got to figure out how all of this wraps in to what you do to get your creativity. How does that like, I don't know how to phrase it right now. I'm still got I guess I got morning fog.

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Coffee has not been applied to my morning routine at this point.

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I gotta think though.

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So. So you're you're actually into two life plays, correct?

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Like, I'm, I'm not familiar with all the terminology, but I can definitely point all of this back to tabletop very easily.

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So I can I can play.

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But, but if you want. But what is life play? I don't know what. I'm not familiar with that terminology.

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Are your sessions recorded in podcast format and in published?

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They're not. Yes, yes yes.

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That's a lot fun.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Then I've been doing it.

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Now, how do you feel about that? I don't know if. I mean, I try to do a live play before and I can participate. I could set one up, but it's a lot of work on my end to do that.

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So it's. And that's like it's.

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A group effort. We're not all doing it. I'm I'm basically I really want to get on Harmon. He's he's getting better about being the one in charge. But there are a lot of times where that falls on me and making sure the actors are staying under control. But we have, Tasha, who is focused on the Twitch part.

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I'm focused on the YouTube part. Harmon is I focused on managing everything and setting up the sessions. And Justin kind of just helps guide DM and we have so many other people helping in the background. So it's not just all on me, thankfully, but it's it is a it is an experience and being over like Discord and Zoom, it can be frustrating to to deal with, but it's so much fun.

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I wouldn't change it. And the craziest thing is, before this, I've never played D&D. Never.

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This is just like your first step is essentially professional, correct?

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That is my first step. And that's not the first time that's happened. But I didn't realize that any of that because my first time. So I just jumped in. And people who watch it like my friends who've watched it, who played the and like, I didn't know that you you never played D and D before this. You're just creative and all this stuff.

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And it's like I think about stuff, but I work on stuff all the time, and I feel like it's a shame that I took so long to get into DMT. Dad, I just never or like tabletop in general. So I it is it is amazing.

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I think that's that's the case for a lot of people too. Like they don't really, really know, you know about it. And until they jump right in, you know, in the deep end and then it's like all natural. Like everybody, everybody that we talked to that are new players or streamers or whatever. And especially with the tabletop and D and D like that's like the thing and it's like natural becomes natural, you know, so but I know, I mean, we had him on last week, you know, and, he talked about y'all show and that was, it was it was amazing experience, really.

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And like, I know with you, you know, with you, this is stuff that we know about you now, like, I know the show has, you know, it's it's already pretty crazy. You know, when you when you watch it, but, you know, it's it's a I know the group has to be amazing outside of that. So, what brought you guys all together?

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Literally.

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Shout con is how I met Herman. And from there, I just started bringing people on because I, I'm definitely one of. I don't know how this happened, but I'm definitely one of the more connected actors in Ohio, and I don't know how I accomplished that, but, like, people, like, I literally like Herman needed an artist. And randomly the next day, an artist got Ahold of me like 12 a.m. and is like, hey, you know, they got Ahold of me for a different reasons.

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But I'm like, I'm actually an artist. And I'm like, hey, I could I could use an artist. And then that person didn't end up working out. But then another friend who I knew for a while, who's also an artist, is like, you know, I'm struggling for work, you know, having the artwork. And Herman had just asked me an hour before, like, please look for another artist.

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I need one really bad. And I'm like, okay, so I it's it's a lot of just different. I lost my train of thought.

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What was the question again?

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I don't know.

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I don't remember either.

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I don't I don't know how did you.

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Guys all get together. Like how did you, how did you,

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Oh, yeah. Come together. Oh.

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Because, Herman, I went up to Herman and I'm like, hey, would you like I. He says, I'm making. He showed me this game. I didn't understand what it was at first. I thought he was just like making a game. And I'm like, I need help with YouTube. I edit. So what? I'd like to do more mainstream editing besides my own and, you know, break out of it.

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But he he prefers my style, which is like, 204 South Park. Very quick jump. Duffy punch line all over the place kind of thing, but, no. And then from there, he already had Natasha, who is bright too. And then I brought on Justin, who, who is clean. And then my character, Chan, started off as, like, a farmboy and ended up turning into, like, this nipple baby.

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And it's it's it's crazy. So. So we changed him from being a farm boy in the sense of being this idiot that thinks that sleeping in the garden is equated to being a farm boy.

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So, Yeah. You know, I think that's pretty indicative of. So my my kids feel the same way. So if they, if they sleep outside in a tent, they are rugged outdoorsman.

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In.

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Our own backyard. So that that equates awesome. Awesome. So with with the entire trope that you have going on with it, with everything, how do you manage all of your creative outlets on top of your time commitments? Because for anybody, when it comes to doing something like scheduling, we all know that the joke for D&D or tabletop role playing games is, hey, we have our first session now, our next sessions in 70 years.

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So do you find that you set a schedule, or do you have to constantly plan on when everybody can get together?

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Treat it like.

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I run off? Oh, I'm a full time actor and everything else that I do, I can live off of that very comfortably. And it's it's a lot, but it's, it's something that I enjoy. But as for managing. So that's I'm going to go on a little spiel here because this is so important, when it comes to all of this, your mental health is so important.

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And the way I manage all of it is making sure I stay on top of my mental health. And that equates to recognizing that there are a lot of hours in the day. So if I have something I need to get done, if I'm just like, I don't want to do this anymore right now, I just go, okay, I want to set a timer for an hour, and I'm going to wait that hour, do whatever I want during that time, and then come back to this.

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And if I feel like coming back to it, I will. If not, I'll wait another ten minutes and there's a cutoff point. But generally, after an hour of taking a break from it, I want to do it again. I'm excited to do it again. And that's what I call the two minute rule. There is an actual thing called a ten minute rule, but it's it's like a variation of it, which is, the two minute rule is if you could do it in two minutes, just do it.

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This is my variation of it that I learned from a YouTube channel, which is, you take something that seems really difficult, like, say you're reading a book, you're like, I want to read a book a month. Well, it's a lot. And you're going to pick up the book and you're gonna be like, I'm not going to finish this in the month.

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You're not going to. So you go, okay, then I want to read a chapter a week. And again, that's a lot. And like, okay, well then I want to read a page a day again. That's that could be too much for you. So it could be you know what? I'm just going to read one sentence before I go to bed.

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I guarantee you, if you read that one sentence, you will probably end up reading a paragraph, and you might even end up reading a page, and you might even finishing a chapter. It's breaking down every aspect of what you're doing into the smallest bits, so that your mammalian brain can understand it and see it as an easy thing, even though it is something that at the end is your goal, it's just breaking it down into something smaller so your brain will just be like, oh, I'm not doing anything hard because the scariest thing I've found is starting.

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But once you start, you're having a blast.

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I think we've actually said that, several times on the show about, just, a lot of creators have a hard time starting or putting any content out, especially, publishing and doing, like, something professional. And, the hard part is starting, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the hard thing is starting. I on the other hand, like, I can't break it down. Just the small, small things like that doesn't help me out. It doesn't matter how big the task is. I just look at it and, like, shit, it's got to get done. And then I plow through until finished.

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And that's. That is absolutely a valid way to do it. That's just the way that works for me. I forgive me if I if I use the use statement. I didn't mean to.

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I'm giving. No, but no.

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But, no, it's like there are so many different ways. That is just the way that I do it.

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But I think it's valid. It helps people.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Especially with everything you have going on.

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Well, and that's.

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The thing I, I would go crazy if I didn't do it that way, because if I were just, like, stressing all the time about all the different things I need to manage, because if I really just take if I were to write down everything that I need to get done in a week, I would give up.

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So I don't even think about it.

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So I'm on the opposite. I like to pile everything on my plate as tall and as high as possible, and then try to conquer that within the hour. Like that's.

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The best.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely. And then blame, then blame myself for being an idiot and, you know, such a loser. And then I go into an hour of just cursing myself out so that I can, you know, the next 18 hours, just crush it and then, you know, be exhausted for the next two days. That's just my life, you know?

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So I had to.

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Totally I, I.

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Mean, I, I never said that. I don't I don't fall into self-deprecation. I'm not perfect. I have mental issues. So believe me, I the way even though I do it this way, there are times where I just take on so much without realizing I have to be like, I need to take a week off like I have to because I've taken on too much recently and I just physically cannot do anything for a week.

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And that whole week I'm beating myself up for not doing something. But I also recognize I have to do this or I will get nothing done. So and generally after that week, I will be productive. I'll be going at it again and I'll be good.

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So it sounds to me, I don't know if I could ever, like, make myself take a week off. I think I'll take a day off. And then I feel like crap, you know, for the next day. Oh, it is like, I definitely, definitely want to, like, be able to do that one day in the future.

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I it's it's not easy.

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As long as I don't have time commitments, I can push anything off. Like that. That's that's really. Yeah. I will push it off until I have to do something. A lot of times, it's not really procrastination. If there's no timeframe to it. It's just not necessary to take care up until it is necessary.

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Oh, I love that. I do love that.

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Yep. I, I actually scaled down a whole lot of what I had to do. In fact, our podcast here is the only thing I have scheduled to the point where I, not only do I have to be here, and I know I have to be here, I frequently, routinely forget what day I have to be here.

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And I am here last minute on time and ready to go.

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Oh, don't worry, I'm. I'm here too. I'm here to remind him. Don't worry. He's.

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I will say like you have taken so much responsibility off of my plate for this. I just I just phone it in at this point. This is a.

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Great. I just added.

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To my huge. I have the little small saucer plate. I'll just keep piling stuff on top of it.

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And here I am telling you frequently, you know, to keep piling that stuff.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Hold my shit to.

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Yeah. It's like, hey, stuff on there.

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So you keep up my stuff.

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Yes. You're doing too.

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Much by stop. You should basically slow down. But here, take my plate.

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This. That's that's just that's just that.

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That's a that's a red flag, isn't it?

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It's a good relationship.

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Like, I feel like.

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Every ex I've met, you know, like.

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Oh man. But that means we're going to break up soon.

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I don't you're.

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And it what.

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What was some of the inspiration so to get you to this point.

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Like inspiration. Like, what do you mean by inspiration?

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If I gave you a box to put it in, I don't know if it would be big enough. I mean, look at all the things that you do. And you had at some point a, a vision to either start you on this path or keep you on it. And we know that you said it was sort of your creative outlet, but, I mean, like, what helped set you down this road?

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Well, okay, let me think. So I can start at the beginning. And I could also get into what what keeps me going. So let's do this. From a very young age, my grandmother would tell me that our family has two career paths, and that is to be a creative or to be in medicine, and this is factual for my entire family.

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They the nurses or they work in the special ed in schools or they are, pharmacy, pharmaceutical. And then the other part is I have a, a second cousin who is a dancer in New York. I have, I have people all over the world that are doing different things creatively. Some in Scotland. I don't, I don't know, I don't I might if I extended family, I don't it's so big I don't know enough.

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But, from a very young age, I was taught that. And she always pushed me to get into writing. And my parents sent me to a place called Bradford Studio when I was a child, when I was a kid. And I met there, a long time, teacher, I didn't expect to know. I didn't know this, I didn't know I know this teacher basically my entire life.

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Her name was Wendy Duke, and she was an acting teacher, and she taught stage mainly, which is not what I do now. That's really the only aspect of acting I haven't gotten into. But I think I'm going to here soon, but I'm going to go on that side tangent at the moment I'll stick on track, but, so and throughout my life, I kept running into her from Brad, from studio.

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I met her and herself from the South. I met her through my work, working in dog grooming. Because I'm a friend, I'm a professional. I've trained as a vet tech, come through because I went through high school. And then once again, I met her, through kata, which I ended up leaving after she left because I was there to support her.

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And now she's a reference I use whenever I want to teach, like improv or acting. So that's from that part. But the current acting school I go to, I actually went to it because I wanted to get more creative in my writing. And when I went there, I sat, I just picked in a specific spot and I sat down and I want to say probably about a half hour into the session, I had two students inches from my face, screaming in each other's faces like they wanted to kill each other.

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And I'm like, I need to know more. So and from there, I just grew I to, oh, when, the whole one 2020 happened, we switched to online and I asked a friend, I asked one of the teachers, do you know where if you get into voice acting and he's. And I'm like, because he's a voice actor, Keith Brooks and he's like, well, I don't take on students, but I know Bob does.

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So I met Bob, and then from there, Bob, I took lessons with Bob, and I said, hey, I know we're running out of time for lessons because you only pay for three segments. He goes, can I continue to take lessons? Because I want to keep working on it? It absolutely. I would love that. So continue paying for lessons.

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And then I want to say I really like I want to say come to Jesus moment on that where I really started taking it seriously and it wasn't just phoning it all in was and there were many times where I started, like phoning it in again, but Bob always kept me right on track. Was, he we got on a session and he goes, Andy, this might be your last session because you're not taking this seriously, and it's wasting my time.

00;21;28;27 - 00;21;45;14
 
And I glad you're paying for it, but you're not taking this seriously, and you have not grown, and you don't even know how to use the editing software. And it's been three months, and that's. That's upsetting to me. So, he said I said, just give me one more session. I promise I will show you that I'm serious.

00;21;45;14 - 00;22;07;21
 
And he goes, okay, we'll meet next week. And if you can prove to me you're serious, then I'll let you. So we did so I that entire week, I once a day would just read commercials, read voice acting commercials, would read lines. And every day throughout that week. Then when I came to meet him again, he was shocked at the difference.

00;22;07;24 - 00;22;31;04
 
He said, you basically just taught yourself a year's worth of training in a week. And I don't know how you did that. So, from then on, I became his go to guy because I learned so quickly. He said, I want you to need to learn this skill, and I do it, and I get it done. And from there, I've just grown and I've gotten more connections, and I've gotten more advanced in my technique, and it's just grown from there.

00;22;31;07 - 00;22;52;02
 
I've continued to pursue different aspects. I like to challenge myself. The more scared I get, the more excited I am. And it's just such an adrenaline rush to be in front of famous people and has to perform and fail. Fail miserably. Like I just was in front of Alex Collins and I was terrible. I was easily the worst one there, but it was so exciting.

00;22;52;08 - 00;23;13;00
 
He's not my friend. Like I talk to him whenever I go down to Atlanta, we hang out and it's like, I don't know, but it's it's the most exciting thing in the world. And the other half of it is a severe amount of trauma. That's really one of the biggest things that is a driving force is I cannot fall into my thoughts because.

00;23;13;02 - 00;23;21;12
 
So staying with acting and writing and all of that lifts me out of that place and keeps me growing.

00;23;21;14 - 00;23;26;17
 
Nothing. That's a good man. Yeah. So it's like success or failure. You know what you got going on right now?

00;23;26;19 - 00;23;28;27
 
I am basically a super saying I get.

00;23;28;27 - 00;23;29;17
 
Beaten down.

00;23;29;17 - 00;23;38;19
 
So much every time I get beaten down to the very end. At the end, like every inch within my life, I come back ten times stronger.

00;23;38;21 - 00;23;41;22
 
That's fair assessment. DVC is a guilty pleasure of mine.

00;23;41;23 - 00;23;43;20
 
So like I.

00;23;43;22 - 00;23;57;29
 
It's the same thing. You know, I like to wait till the very last minute and then cram everything and then, you know, I get everything done within the last ten minutes, you know. So it's kind of like Rob with the, with the podcast, you know, he waits till the last minute to get everything set up and ready.

00;23;58;02 - 00;24;03;17
 
I do and I, you know, we have we have accidentally gotten better every episode so.

00;24;03;17 - 00;24;18;04
 
Oh man, we are we are phenomenal. Compared compared to a year ago, this show has has grown 3 or 4 times man. And we've gotten so popular and it's amazing. All the listeners and literally all the guests like this is freaking crazy, man.

00;24;18;06 - 00;24;19;17
 
Probably it.

00;24;19;17 - 00;24;20;03
 
Does not matter.

00;24;20;03 - 00;24;20;14
 
How you got.

00;24;20;14 - 00;24;22;18
 
There. Progress is progress.

00;24;22;20 - 00;24;48;20
 
Now I got a question and this one's going to be off, off the left field from anything that we generally talk about. I would I would love to get into voice acting and, Hey, I don't want to do general commercials. I don't want to do voice overs. I don't want to do corporate gigs. I would just really like to do stupid YouTube animation videos, audiobooks and, anything where I can sound like a ridiculous, ridiculous character, you know, Saturday morning cartoons.

00;24;48;22 - 00;24;50;06
 
Where do I start?

00;24;50;08 - 00;25;10;25
 
So, for, for a, for, like, with audiobooks. I'll answer that one first. Audiobooks AC, AC is through Amazon. Anyone can do it. Anyone can do it. It's easy to access. You just need to have an Amazon account. You don't need one monthly subscription. The big thing I will say on that is make sure you are researching people with any acting site.

00;25;10;27 - 00;25;31;13
 
Make sure you're researching people if you see they're from another country, avoid it. I would say, like, if it's a country that's like, generally pretty sketchy, avoid it. I've definitely made the mistake of getting into getting involved with people that I should not have done that. And thankfully, they're very prompt. If you reach out to customer service, they will help you.

00;25;31;13 - 00;25;54;07
 
But I've had to deal with people, harassing me because I, I, you know, got customer service on them for being rude. So but definitely make sure you do your research. That's so important. As for the other half, for YouTube animation and all of that, that is something that you can do yourself. As for getting it, I would absolutely recommend doing that yourself because it is so fun.

00;25;54;10 - 00;26;14;02
 
I like the little like to like take people take like, what is it? Take like still images and have them kind of just bounce around on the screen. And I use my voice for that. I find that hilarious. That's why the way I do it, I am working on making actual animation, but that's going to take time because it's something that is not easy.

00;26;14;02 - 00;26;30;22
 
I actually signed up for Skillshare specifically for that, because I thought it would be a good way to just give me an idea to practice, because I work better if I can do it on my own in my own time, which is probably what makes me a good actor, because that isn't required. You need to be able to do it on your own.

00;26;30;24 - 00;26;37;02
 
99% of the work you do as an actor is offset. So.

00;26;37;05 - 00;26;42;14
 
That's that's where I'm at in college. I learn how to do animation, both traditional 3D animation, 3D modeling.

00;26;42;17 - 00;26;48;24
 
Dude, honestly, shorts make like 15 second shorts. You will blow that. You will blow up.

00;26;48;26 - 00;26;57;27
 
I it's like, that's that's a lot of work. I don't, I don't want to do all the work. Like, that's the thing. Everything I do is I do all the work.

00;26;58;00 - 00;27;00;17
 
And the shorter the work.

00;27;00;19 - 00;27;22;15
 
The shorter the shorts, the better. So when it comes to YouTube, specifically, the shorter the shorts, the better. So that's what I recommend. I it's, it's just it's because people's attention span is so small right now. It's you just it'll take a little longer for you to hit that like 3 million. So. Well, not that 3 million views, but like that.

00;27;22;17 - 00;27;38;00
 
That, like run time. I think it's like, does it have a runtime any. I don't remember if shorts have a runtime. I know it's like 3 million views you need for that. You also need an estimated watch time, which I think is like 50,000 hours, which is going to be really hard with five seconds to short.

00;27;38;00 - 00;27;56;22
 
But if you have a million people watching five second shorts, you know that's going to add up really quickly. But shorts are really the best way to blow up on YouTube right now because they are so fresh. They are so new. The other half I always recommend to people blue Sky, is it is up and coming. It is an up and coming basically replacement for Twitter.

00;27;56;22 - 00;28;22;16
 
It is what is essentially considered left wing Twitter. But besides promoting it, I hate to tell you that, but that's that's the best way to describe it. But here's the thing. It is a place to grow right now because it's rare that you're going to have an app that's going to blow up like that, where you can restart, like you can start a growth pattern from there, and you'll have to interact with people and you have to post regularly for right now.

00;28;22;16 - 00;28;40;17
 
But once you finally hit that, whatever goes viral or whatever, you know gets shared a bunch, that's when you will start growing. And I always tell people, go and blue sky this is the time because Twitter is already, you know, they already got their the people on Twitter, they want Facebook already got the people. Instagram's already got the people.

00;28;40;19 - 00;28;42;25
 
You know, this is a new market.

00;28;42;28 - 00;28;50;27
 
So not that's fair. And not only does this apply to the fact that I'd like to be a voice actor, this applies to anything people want to get into.

00;28;51;00 - 00;28;53;00
 
Absolutely. 100%.

00;28;53;03 - 00;29;12;04
 
Perfect. Perfect, I did that, I did that. Mike, you got a long list of questions here. You got one right off the cuff. I mean, Andy has given us a lot to talk about, and I'm trying to stay focused, but, like, how I miss my coffee and how to be a voice actor. And I wish John from tales of the Manticore would call me back sooner than he has.

00;29;12;06 - 00;29;15;22
 
I just talked to him. He was in Mexico. He's staying there for a couple of weeks.

00;29;15;24 - 00;29;18;13
 
The I would too.

00;29;18;15 - 00;29;21;25
 
If especially he's. He lives in Canada and it's super cold there.

00;29;21;28 - 00;29;23;14
 
So I haven't even.

00;29;23;14 - 00;29;25;22
 
Left the call. And you're already talking about other guests I get.

00;29;25;25 - 00;29;28;01
 
Well, yeah. Of course I mean yeah, yeah.

00;29;28;03 - 00;29;37;03
 
Well it's and it's not that we're talking about other guests because you're uninteresting is because they've already said they need voice actors. And we put our name on the list.

00;29;37;05 - 00;29;37;14
 
No.

00;29;37;16 - 00;29;43;04
 
I just I miss messing with you. I love I love dark humor and satirical and satire. It's great.

00;29;43;06 - 00;29;50;15
 
Yeah, yeah. No. Side note before we get too far, if you have a list of people who need voice actors, I'll put my name on that list too.

00;29;50;17 - 00;29;52;24
 
So if you need a person.

00;29;52;26 - 00;30;02;18
 
I absolutely I do have a lot of projects I need help with. And, right now it's like, I can't like, pay, like, you know, $15,000 a thing, but, you know.

00;30;02;18 - 00;30;05;14
 
I don't pay to be a voice actor right now.

00;30;05;17 - 00;30;08;03
 
I mean, yeah, I mean, I'll do it for free.

00;30;08;05 - 00;30;29;00
 
I have this idea for 326 Fake News Network, and I have already the main character picked out. It is literally a satirical news channel. It is news, but basically nonsense. And I have dreamed about this my entire life. Just a nonsense news network that starts off like, where could we kind of touch upon real things that are happening, but then it just falls into nonsense.

00;30;29;03 - 00;30;46;27
 
So and I've always wanted to do that. I want to do it with real people originally. But now I'm like, I want to do stuff like, like if it's not already on there, like put like I stock on front of it on the characters and just have them like bouncing around and saying stuff and having interactions with them.

00;30;46;27 - 00;31;12;25
 
And I found a great program that, like, can make the characters, like, fall over and be crushed by stuff. And it's it's great. And it's like I could interact with these stock images. It's it's so much fun. And I've already got the main character picked out. I know I when I was making the idea, I heard of my friend Vaughn's voice for that character, and he's not a voice actor, and he got to learn how difficult it is to be a voice actor.

00;31;12;27 - 00;31;30;14
 
Because we had I was there short scripts, and they're about ten. They're about ten, ten, ten, ten scripts. And he's like, oh, we can mark this out. And a half hour ago to eat three hours in, we've only gotten three scripts done. And he's exhausted. And I'm like, let's try to get to the sixth script. And when they continue another time.

00;31;30;17 - 00;31;56;05
 
So about eight hours later, we finished the sixth script and he's like, I need to go home, man, I am so tired. So like and it's because I had to keep correcting him. We had to keep redoing it because it's it's something that I remember. I hear it getting so angry when I heard like, I think it was Chris Rock go on stage and be like, it's like, oh, it's so easy to be a voice actor all you do is get in the booth and talk for a couple minutes and it's done.

00;31;56;11 - 00;32;17;13
 
And it's like, that's voice actors are only treated so poorly in the industry. And it's it sucks. But it's something that we do because we love it. And seeing I've never been like in an anime or anything, I've been in commercials in other countries and but I've never been in like an anime or anything, and I'm excited, I want to I hope to see that someday.

00;32;17;15 - 00;32;20;25
 
I think getting to that point is a is a degree of success.

00;32;20;28 - 00;32;22;00
 
It's it's it's cool.

00;32;22;04 - 00;32;31;16
 
I don't know about the success. I have no real interest in, like being famous or anything. But I definitely would think it's so cool to, like, be like, hey, that's me every time I watch this anime. That's me.

00;32;31;23 - 00;32;32;26
 
You. That's.

00;32;32;28 - 00;32;46;08
 
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I remember years ago I had gone to a convention and the, voice actor who had done Lord Zedd in the Power Rangers was giving a panel, and I participated with him. That was that was entertaining.

00;32;46;10 - 00;33;03;24
 
I met I love persona five, and I met the guy who voiced Con Machina. I don't know if you ever played that, but when I was at Shout Con and I'm like, how did you like this role? Like, how did you get into it? And he's like, well, they didn't tell me what it was. When I auditioned. I literally thought I was like, signing up for some kind of weird, weird porn thing.

00;33;03;26 - 00;33;09;17
 
From, like, his, you know, kind of the way he is. And I'm like.

00;33;09;20 - 00;33;15;20
 
And I'm like, I'm like, wow, that's interesting. So. But it was, it was, it was.

00;33;15;22 - 00;33;16;25
 
Special experience.

00;33;16;27 - 00;33;17;13
 
I don't know if.

00;33;17;13 - 00;33;18;01
 
That's like.

00;33;18;07 - 00;33;22;28
 
All I could think about is like, hey, you're going to audition for the commentary for this weird porn. You're like.

00;33;22;28 - 00;33;30;17
 
All right, so I, sure, I'll do it. Yeah. Kind thoughts on that. I don't know logistics.

00;33;30;17 - 00;33;36;22
 
Of that, but that's that's essentially that's not verbatim what he said, but it was essentially that so but,

00;33;36;26 - 00;33;38;06
 
Yeah.

00;33;38;08 - 00;33;39;24
 
Mighty interesting.

00;33;39;26 - 00;34;02;28
 
So, so with with this I'm a huge, person in like, brainstorming. So I write a lot of random notes and like, my ADHD takes over in my world. And, not saying that I can tell it, you have it, but, I can tell that you have it. So, like, constantly just having, you know, just it was called, was a controlled chaos.

00;34;03;00 - 00;34;21;21
 
So what is it that you, that you do with are you method of brainstorming with all these, you know, projects you have, especially with your YouTube, YouTube channels or are a lot of work? One is a live play. Another one is, you know, you're doing a satire. What does this, what's your method of, like, brainstorming for these, for these types of projects?

00;34;21;23 - 00;34;41;12
 
I honestly, I overly brainstorm, like, the different like, not only am I doing the YouTube thing, but I'm also writing multiple different stories, and I have if I could show you my phone, the notes for each one, like it'll take you like maybe a full minute to scroll through all of them. And that's just me, right?

00;34;41;13 - 00;35;02;20
 
Jotting down random notes over time when it comes to, the different YouTube things, I'm doing the same thing constantly. Things. And they are controlled chaos. They are in a section that I know where they are. But if I take two, if I don't look at them for a set period of time, I will forget everything else. But sometimes I do have to, I do, I tell myself every day, all right, when I look at it, I'm like, I need to go through this and organize it.

00;35;02;22 - 00;35;07;03
 
Never do I just scroll through looking for a specific keywords and then I'm like, I'm golden.

00;35;07;10 - 00;35;25;02
 
So now I get it, I get it, I'm the same way I do. I do all you should at as Rob. One of the first times he was like, hey, can you get some, you know, episodes ready and whatnot. I was like, sure. Two days later I gave him like, I don't know, 15, 20 pages of just like, notes and episodes.

00;35;25;02 - 00;35;44;14
 
And Rob was like, are you freaking seriously? Like, what the hell are we going to do with all this? I was like, we're gonna do it. He was like, no. And then, like, each one broke into an episode. So it broke out to be, I don't know, we had probably 50 episodes at the ready at all times now, because I went off and just like went on a tangent of just, I don't know, random shit that I found on the internet and just kept writing.

00;35;44;16 - 00;35;45;25
 
I, I.

00;35;45;27 - 00;35;59;14
 
I did something similar with, my feelings on a specific movie. What happened was I with Bob and like, I just wrote it all down and tried to organize the best of my code, but it was a rant. It turned out to be an hour and a half.

00;35;59;16 - 00;36;00;12
 
Just a rant.

00;36;00;12 - 00;36;05;22
 
On a very specific movie. I don't want to say the name because it's gonna it'll cause controversy, but, you know, it's it's not.

00;36;05;23 - 00;36;08;26
 
Nope, nope nope. Name the movie now,

00;36;08;29 - 00;36;10;22
 
During the beast 2017.

00;36;10;24 - 00;36;12;00
 
I.

00;36;12;02 - 00;36;18;07
 
The beauty and the beast is my favorite Disney movie. And that was that. That movie made me so angry.

00;36;18;13 - 00;36;21;25
 
I never saw it. I never watched that. And yeah, the live action.

00;36;21;27 - 00;36;23;05
 
Yeah, the action one.

00;36;23;12 - 00;36;27;09
 
Yeah, I never I've never I never seen it because I don't want it to ruin like my childhood.

00;36;27;16 - 00;36;29;17
 
There's no controversy. That movie sucked.

00;36;29;19 - 00;36;31;01
 
It made me feel angry.

00;36;31;08 - 00;36;45;13
 
Maybe so angry and good, but we don't have the time for me to go there. I'm not kidding. It's an hour and a half minimum, and that depends if I stop to take breaks. I just wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote and I'm like this. I tried to organize it to the best of my ability, but it is a rant.

00;36;45;16 - 00;36;56;16
 
Absolutely. And I did, I did I so you are the one that wrote that questionnaire, Mike. Yes. Yeah, I know, I'm glad because that was so well detailed and I loved it. I loved reading.

00;36;56;16 - 00;37;15;07
 
It. Well, this is, that's after me, cleaning it up like it was. It was probably 2 or 3 times longer. I just have because right where I was, I was like, stop giving these guys novels. Like, we can't go over all of this stuff. So I had to lower it to like 4 to 6 bullets per section and like the sections I had to cut in half because I had even more, even more questions and whatnot.

00;37;15;07 - 00;37;20;09
 
And Rob's always like, I got to cut your shit down, man. Like, you always add too much stuff for us.

00;37;20;11 - 00;37;40;12
 
Oh yeah, I get that. Believe me, I if I'm allowed to go crazy, believe me, I, I know, like, I'm not even kidding. Like, all my sessions with Bob now are just me catching him up on the things I've been doing. So that's that's that's all our sessions are. Either that or like, my current relationship drama, some.

00;37;40;15 - 00;37;41;14
 
Stuff we just.

00;37;41;14 - 00;37;55;26
 
Hang. I even like my dog teacher. My Dutch teacher is like, at a certain point, dude, I can't charge you for lessons. All we do is play video games, and let's just add each other on WhatsApp and we'll hang. Occasionally he'll give me free lessons, so.

00;37;55;29 - 00;37;56;22
 
But yeah.

00;37;56;25 - 00;38;02;16
 
But no, not definitely is one of the, Okay. Do you mind if I go make a quick story real quick?

00;38;02;18 - 00;38;03;18
 
This.

00;38;03;21 - 00;38;21;22
 
Yeah. One of the funniest things that happened recently is I'm actually making. Well, I'm actually I've made a card game at this point, and me and Bob are trying to figure out a way to use it to promote his, his, his company. And he's going to try to bring it before either some kind of card game company and use it as a way to grow.

00;38;21;25 - 00;38;48;12
 
It's, it's called archetype, not archetype, but aka RC. And I've been working on this. What's funny is, what started all of that? Because my favorite game in the world is Yu-Gi-Oh! And I noticed that in every single card game, almost every single card game in existence besides Yu-Gi-Oh! Takes a pull from Magic The Gathering, mana, some form of mana, some fourth thing, and Yukio just kind of did its own thing, and I'm like, I want to make something that's Yu-Gi-Oh!

00;38;48;12 - 00;39;09;29
 
A kid without mana, but also like doing its own kind of thing. And I it's it's funny because, like, what happened was Bob tells me, oh, I want you to, he's like, so I want you to pick up script writing. I'm like, Bob, I write like 5000 words every day when I'm bored and I'm like, and I that's just a minimum.

00;39;10;02 - 00;39;29;01
 
And he's like, okay, well, can you get me, can you write like, I don't know, a couple pages, a couple page script by next, by next week, I'm like, Bob, I can have you on a 15 page script by tomorrow. And he's like, okay, we'll do that. Two hours later, I send him a 15 page script and, it was, just like the final.

00;39;29;01 - 00;39;48;11
 
I think it was it was actually it was 23 pages because it was like a full episode. It was a script on the final duel between two characters that I created of a Yu-Gi-Oh! Card game. And Bob just was like, I cannot believe you did this. This is amazing. And we talked for a while and I, I talked to an artist.

00;39;48;11 - 00;40;03;08
 
I'm like, hey, can you draw my characters? And he did that and he did some really cool stuff with it. And then Bob tells me, okay, well, I want to make you to make your own card game. I don't want you to use Yugioh because it's already an existing IP, so make it so give me like a card game by next week.

00;40;03;08 - 00;40;14;15
 
And I'm like, Bob, I cannot. I'm amazing, but I cannot make a card game in a week. If you give me a year, I can make a card game, but I cannot make a card game in a week. There's too much to goes into it. Well, it's been a year and I've made a card game.

00;40;14;20 - 00;40;16;27
 
So.

00;40;16;29 - 00;40;24;09
 
That's good. You go on. Congratulations. Because, you know, just doing that and creating that is a is not nothing simple you know to do. Yeah.

00;40;24;11 - 00;40;25;02
 
It's not it's.

00;40;25;02 - 00;40;26;10
 
Not on that.

00;40;26;13 - 00;40;43;03
 
Yeah. It's it's it's really difficult. It was really difficult because there's also the biggest problem is balancing. And the only way I can balance it is to have people try it. So that means I have to create the cards and have people play the game. And even then, if I do a playtest, I do a couple play tests and it doesn't work and it's imbalanced.

00;40;43;05 - 00;40;45;14
 
I probably have to start from square one.

00;40;45;16 - 00;40;48;13
 
So yeah.

00;40;48;15 - 00;41;07;10
 
Yeah, that's that's really, my general method as well. I had had been helping a friend with one of their game ideas, and, I developed it from conceptualization to application and I didn't like the way it played in application. So I went all the way back down to square one. I scrapped absolutely everything and started over.

00;41;07;13 - 00;41;09;11
 
Yeah. You know, that's.

00;41;09;13 - 00;41;20;19
 
To on your thing, which was when you said like, oh, you had to rewrite it like a bunch of times. It's the same thing with this game. It's like there is no good writing. There's only good rewriting. And I love that statement.

00;41;20;21 - 00;41;24;07
 
The writing sucks. It's just good editing.

00;41;24;10 - 00;41;25;23
 
Exactly.

00;41;25;26 - 00;41;42;01
 
So yeah, I think that's I think that's one of those things. And when we say things like that, I think what ends up happening for some people is they feel like it's a barrier of entry. And one of the things that we have definitely spoken of on our show here is that get whatever you publish out, whether it's good or bad.

00;41;42;01 - 00;42;04;09
 
The point is, put it out because whatever you create needs to be out there. And I think that we said this again with Harmon, Hammond last week, as well as previous other guests. Is that just get it out. It needs to be our industry needs your creativity out within its realms. And we've always joked about accidentally getting better, failing forward, those kind of things.

00;42;04;09 - 00;42;27;01
 
And as long as you continue to push forward, that happens and you make connections, you get feedback, and now you start to become better at it. And I think that really throughout the entirety of our conversation, I mean, we've only been at this for 40 minutes. And the is that that's really the big thing. I mean, you make the connections, you get the feedback, you continue to strive forward and you then you do get better and you build that network.

00;42;27;04 - 00;42;55;15
 
And that is that is the core tenets of what I've been listening to. And I really appreciate it. And I agree with it. I think that statement is absolutely paramount in any field, especially things like tabletop role playing games, because that's where most of our audience is, really focused in. I mean, I know that we've been talking a lot of, voice acting and the creativity side of a lot of different things today, but it still applies to our, laser focused area.

00;42;55;15 - 00;43;05;03
 
And that's why it's easy enough to we talk about this, but it's the same premise, the same message, the same idea. So thank you for getting us there.

00;43;05;06 - 00;43;09;17
 
Yes. I mean, I think the thing from I'm like, hold on.

00;43;09;20 - 00;43;10;23
 
So,

00;43;10;26 - 00;43;13;10
 
Yeah, that's up at the beginning and you're dropping the ball at the end.

00;43;13;11 - 00;43;20;29
 
Yeah. No, sorry. But I started the ball drops. Yeah, this damn ball.

00;43;21;01 - 00;43;48;00
 
But I think a lot of it, it helps with the, a lot of our our guest now, and I guess. But, listeners now are becoming more and more, you know, intrigued about being like, creators and developing their own stuff. If you look at, this thing that some of our numbers in our, in our show, a lot of them is when we talk about, like, you know, DMs or creating or, or something in that matter, that's where a lot of our, our listeners are focusing in on.

00;43;48;02 - 00;44;06;16
 
And I think like especially having, you know, guests, you know, like you, Andy, on the show definitely helps them answer some of those questions, you know, because, even, even even people that are not listeners, you know, I get people on social media get, you know, messages or whatnot, and they have questions about creating something or doing something or going about that.

00;44;06;18 - 00;44;23;24
 
And, you know, you definitely are, a maverick in a lot in a lot of this, you know, because, you know, some people just, you know, it's like Rob, Rob wants to be a voice actor. I think you'd be great at it. You just have to get his foot in the door and be able to to do it and show his skills that he has.

00;44;23;26 - 00;44;42;25
 
And, you know, you are definitely a, you know, living proof of, of some of this stuff, man. And, you know, I think it's I think it's great. And you showing or sharing some of your experiences, you know, good and bad, you know, to let everybody know that it's not just, you know, picket fences and roses on on, you know, that side of the world, man.

00;44;43;02 - 00;44;45;00
 
I think it's great.

00;44;45;03 - 00;44;55;25
 
I appreciate that. I'm happy to talk about this stuff anytime I have endless knowledge and I've been we've barely even scratched the surface. I'm not going to like stuff.

00;44;55;27 - 00;44;56;23
 
That I.

00;44;56;24 - 00;45;22;02
 
Do. I do have a question that was leading up to, to that. So one of the questions I'd sent you, I, I knew I wanted to I have a highlight on mine. So I was like an independent creator. I'm, I'm huge on, helping out and being a part of the independent creators and trying to get, you know, join, you know, everybody join hands and be one big team because, you know, that's how everybody succeeds.

00;45;22;04 - 00;45;42;28
 
But what's the what's the, like the hardest part, the breaking into the, different industries because you do like the film, the YouTube, you do live played the, ttrpg, you know, D&D and whatnot. Like what? What is the hardest part of, of doing those, like, niches and like, getting into them because, you know, they're so different and but at the same time, the same in the same time.

00;45;43;01 - 00;45;51;17
 
The hardest part. Yeah. Honestly, I could give you a very simple, a very basic answer, or I can give you a very complicated answer. And I know we're running out of time.

00;45;51;20 - 00;45;52;01
 
Yes.

00;45;52;03 - 00;45;54;23
 
So whatever. Whatever feels right.

00;45;54;25 - 00;45;56;21
 
Well, the easiest way.

00;45;56;23 - 00;46;14;26
 
Just do it. Just do it. If it seems scary, do it good, because you're going to get scared. You're going to get if you, as what you were saying before, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, so do it. If you feel like you want to start YouTube, do it. No one is expecting perfection in the beginning.

00;46;14;29 - 00;46;34;04
 
No one. And that is the biggest thing to keep in mind if you are, you're like, oh, well, it's not going to be good. I don't have audio recording, you know, I don't know, just do it. If you you no one is going to sign on to a person with three subscribers and be like, there, oh my God, they're not like Jacksepticeye or Markiplier.

00;46;34;04 - 00;46;52;29
 
Level quality unsubscribe block. No, no one there. They want to support a small creator. They're checking this out because they see you're trying and they want to give it a shot. That's what they're doing. And it's people love to support you. Yes. You're going to get those people that are mean to you, but that's what you get to develop a thick skin and not respond to those people ever.

00;46;52;29 - 00;47;01;01
 
Never respond to a troll. But no, like, just do it. That's the best advice I can give you.

00;47;01;03 - 00;47;10;20
 
Yeah, I think I think that's I think it's definitely fair. And, you know, I, I encourage that as well. I think it's just wonderful words to begin to say.

00;47;10;26 - 00;47;17;07
 
As I said, that's, that's, that's the most basic answer I can give you. I could really get into a complicated one, but we don't have the time.

00;47;17;10 - 00;47;26;15
 
So I think that's fair. I mean, there's just hit me like a brick to the head from outer space. I mean, we're really just ripping off Nike at this point, you know, just change the logo to just do it.

00;47;26;18 - 00;47;28;08
 
But it's it's.

00;47;28;11 - 00;47;43;22
 
Just, you know, no one is expecting perfection from you. That's what I keep in mind every time I because I actually had a bigger channel before. But it was with my friend and I, my best friend who I no longer speaks to, and I just couldn't keep the channel going. So I'm starting from square one and I'm excited to do that.

00;47;43;25 - 00;48;00;13
 
Oh, it's cool to start something new, you know, it's oh, you always have, you know, more energy towards that project because you're starting something new and you, you're building it and it your baby like, you know, that's that's always a good thing. So, so so with that. So you got so, so just do it. You know, you you're out there, you, you know, get off your ass and just do it.

00;48;00;13 - 00;48;16;14
 
Right. So like, with that, what what is like one of the biggest and proudest moments like you. Just like you stood, like, on top of the mountain. Been like, hell yeah, man, like I. I freaking did that, man. Like what? What moment? Out of all of that, like, what's one of the biggest moments?

00;48;16;17 - 00;48;17;06
 
Oh, gosh.

00;48;17;06 - 00;48;34;20
 
One of the biggest moments we'll think is I don't see my life, I guess. Is that interesting? But a lot of people do. I want to say the moment that I was the most happy and this it really doesn't have anything to do with, like, anything of being successful in this or that. Because I don't really value myself based on my successes.

00;48;34;20 - 00;48;52;10
 
I value it based on the connections that I've made, and that is becoming friends with Jennifer. See, she's the one who sung the open the Dick. Some of the, the Sailor Moon opening. And I'm amazed. Massive fan of Sailor Moon. Always. I've been that I grew up. Sailor moon raised me a Sailor Moon. You know, when the nanny raised me.

00;48;52;13 - 00;49;12;17
 
They made me who I am. And to meet her and to have or be my friend. And have her love me and add me on everything that is I. I will never, ever come down from that high and never in my life. The only way I could ever top that is if I actually met. Naoko. Typology. That's the only way I could ever top that feeling.

00;49;12;19 - 00;49;41;13
 
So I think that's awesome. One, I think I respect you more for that. You know, just, when you, your your, your moment is, is pretty much interaction and friendship, you know, like that's your, that's your thing man. And like I really respect that as a person because a lot of people we would ask that to, to people, other people, not saying our guess, but like any people off the street, you know, a lot of them will be off of, you know, monetize or be some type of, you know, their, their job status or something.

00;49;41;16 - 00;49;57;19
 
And, you know, you, as you said, like you, you know, you're you're beginning you become friends with her and you, you know, you talk to her and, and whatnot like it's I think that's amazing, man. Like same thing. You know, as I started doing this, you know, Rob asked me to be on the show to me, I was like, holy crap.

00;49;57;19 - 00;50;15;18
 
Like, that's that's a big that's a big event. And as we became friends and meeting new people like that has kind of been, you know, my focus as well, you know, and, and I relate to people especially, you know, like how you talked about it and like, I like I relate to that as well. That's why it to me, like it kind of kind of tugged at me when you said it.

00;50;15;18 - 00;50;37;02
 
I was like, oh, that's amazing, man. Like that. You know, people that have that same type of you, like, those are the ones that actually like they care not just about their job, but about like other people and creators and, and things like that. And that's what we need definitely, in this community, you know, because there's so many outstanding creators, you know, and I think that, that's just that's just wonderful, man.

00;50;37;02 - 00;50;51;03
 
Like, I can't even put it in words. And I'm really I'm really happy that you got got to do that. You know, being a fan, of the, you know, Sailor Moon, I think I was telling like, to my girls, you know, about Sailor Moon and, they, they go to start it, but then Dragon Ball Z comes on, so.

00;50;51;05 - 00;50;52;23
 
You know, you know.

00;50;52;23 - 00;50;55;22
 
You know, I have a love for Dragon Ball Z as well.

00;50;55;25 - 00;50;56;24
 
So I.

00;50;56;26 - 00;51;19;29
 
Respect it. I respect that it's just I, I don't know why, but Sailor Moon, just for because the original anime specifically because then the crystal long it started. But the original anime, she was more a healer. She didn't want to hurt anybody. And that's really what formed me is really like the worst thing she realized. Well, she did she did end up the only villain she really ever like, ended up actually killing was the first one, which was barrel.

00;51;19;29 - 00;51;39;05
 
And to be fair, barrel really is the cause of everything, and she kind of deserved it. But beyond that, she just kind of helped her villains. The worst she ever did was petting them like, that's that's really it. She's the worst thing she ever did was to Melania. She turned to her and said, I pity you. But even then, in their next fight, she saved her.

00;51;39;08 - 00;51;51;23
 
So like she she gave her a new life in a different, in a different timeline where she could just be happy and not grow up in trauma. And I thought that was amazing.

00;51;51;25 - 00;52;06;08
 
No, I think I think one, I like the old school style animation anyway because it shows the humanity a lot of things. Like it's not like some of the new stuff I'm not real big fans of, but like the old, older style, you know, you can definitely see how the, you know, the humanity in a lot of it.

00;52;06;08 - 00;52;21;19
 
And that's what like some of the scariest stuff, you know, doing and like, like you said, like she kind of shows her, you know, the soft side, but at the same time, you know, this very rough and rugged, All right. So, yeah, man, I definitely, definitely get with that, man.

00;52;21;22 - 00;52;39;25
 
Before we go, too far outside of the far out of the realm, we want to wrap up side quests here. Again, as you know, the conversation has been great, and I absolutely love it. But again, for our audience, once they, they pick up on something that's going to pull their attention away, and we're also cutting back, cutting it close to our normal preferred time.

00;52;39;25 - 00;52;56;19
 
So, and it's been a blast talking to you. I have loved having you on. That's been incredibly engaging. It's an entertaining conversation. It's been fun, and I hope to have you on again. So please let everybody know once again who you are, where you're from, what you do, and where people can find you online. The drop your links, make sure you talk stuff up.

00;52;56;21 - 00;53;17;12
 
I will absolutely like say so, so first of all, so my name is Andy Gibson. I am based in Akron, Ohio, but I prefer to stick in Cleveland. Is is where I mainly work. Because I'm in work, I, my my one, the one channel that I manage is term all channels on YouTube. The other is, Urban Spruce, which is my personal channel.

00;53;17;14 - 00;53;41;05
 
And then if you do have questions, I don't mind. Like, if you do have questions about the industry, I don't mind answering a few, on my personal email, which is Andrew Gibson, 90 at gmail.com, which is just my name. But, you know, obviously I can't get to everyone, but feel free if you have questions. I'm more than happy to help you like sessions that you would have to pay for, but beyond that, I don't mind helping people.

00;53;41;05 - 00;53;46;00
 
Just a couple questions. So.

00;53;46;02 - 00;53;47;18
 
Fantastic. Thank you.

00;53;47;21 - 00;54;09;00
 
Well, Andy, thank you for being on the show. And, it's it was awesome, you know, experience. And, you know, our conversation was amazing. I think a lot of listeners will will listen. You learn a lot, from you and, definitely about you and everything that you've done. So I definitely we'll hope that you come on the show and I think we will definitely stay in contact, outside of the.

00;54;09;00 - 00;54;10;12
 
Show as anytime you until you.

00;54;10;12 - 00;54;27;05
 
Wish. If you wish me to. Come on. I love that it was fun. Please call me back. I'd be more than happy to share knowledge and help as many people as I can, because that is my goal. I don't care about being famous. I care about making sure people are happy and they're they're succeeding and where they want to be in life.

00;54;27;08 - 00;54;58;13
 
That's awesome man. We appreciate that. And definitely yeah, you definitely will be coming back on, so but with that, make sure everybody's checking out, Chaotic Chronicles with all the new modules that we have coming out and the new clothing line, along with that, the Dungeness Crab Society Patreon page. And, you can find me and all of my projects and everything else on Linktree, forward slash MC Dot Taylor three five, seven and, as usual, happy questing and may your days always bring legendary adventures and chaotic memories.

00;54;58;15 - 00;55;12;00
 
Guys, thanks for checking out Side Quest this week. I know it started off a little funny, but the conversation really picked up. You can always find epic table games at Epic Table, Gamescom or Facebook Slash hay epic Table games. And don't forget to roll for distraction.

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Bye bye.

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Okay, new intro. We've changed the name, and we're still using the word paladin. Paladin? I mean, it hasn't been used in the English language in about 200 years, but. Okay.