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Ballots and Beyond: A Journey Through Election Dynamics
Could President Trump's reelection signal a historic shift in American politics akin to Grover Cleveland's non-consecutive terms? Join our dynamic trio—a lawyer, an engineer, and a school superintendent—as we confront this question while dissecting the latest election results. With diverse perspectives, we spotlight the contrasts in ballot counting efficiency across states, and celebrate Kentucky's bold stand for public education values. Each insight is amplified by personal connections, making our discussion as engaging as it is enlightening.
The episode dives deep into the evolving landscape of the Democratic and Republican parties. As we scrutinize shifts in their core identities and voter bases, we ponder the Democrats' dwindling working-class support and the Republicans' surprising inroads with minority voters. We also challenge the relevance of the Electoral College and champion the need for civility and unity, urging listeners to envision a more understanding political sphere. Together, we navigate the intricate dance of party dynamics and the pressing need for genuine policy solutions.
Rounding out our conversation, we examine the polarizing role of social media in contemporary politics, contrasting it with the cooperative spirit of the Clinton-Gingrich era and discussing the cultural shifts towards extremism. Our discourse concludes with a focus on Lima, Ohio's electoral outcomes, where Trump's influence looms large. By weaving historical context with modern observations, we aim to provide a nuanced reflection on the state of our nation, sparking thoughtful dialogue among listeners.
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Speaker 3:We're talking about three friends a lawyer, an engineer and a school superintendent and just like our personalities, our opinions vary and we certainly don't always agree. Whether we're discussing the best of, or giving our tips and tricks of, things in everyday life, you're sure to learn something if you stick around. Well, what a day it is.
Speaker 2:Gentlemen, we are the day after Election.
Speaker 3:Day.
Speaker 3:Yes, it is Last night was a long night. Do not want to get into it was an early morning for me but do not want to get into too much politics because you know we certainly don't want to really offend anybody, right? But I do want to make a statement that I want us all to know what can be unburdened by what has been. Think about that statement for a little bit. Okay, I've thought about it okay and I can tell you we will never have to hear that again, just throwing that out there. What a day, guys. Late night, crazy night. I still don't think they've called the house yet.
Speaker 3:No, it's leaning, but it's not being called yet.
Speaker 1:As we know.
Speaker 3:President Trump number 45,. Is now Trump 47. President number 47.
Speaker 1:Fun fact.
Speaker 2:Oh, wait a minute.
Speaker 3:We weren't ready, now we're ready.
Speaker 1:You'll know the answer to this. Who's the other president who won an election, got beat and won the next election An amazing name, by the way.
Speaker 2:Grover.
Speaker 1:Cleveland.
Speaker 3:Grover.
Speaker 2:And another fun fact, which Hall of Fame pitcher shared his first and last name and added a name at the end.
Speaker 1:Grover Cleveland, grover.
Speaker 2:Cleveland. Alexander. Wow, grover Cleveland, alexander, wow, grover Cleveland Alexander.
Speaker 1:I never heard that name.
Speaker 3:Anyhow, yep. So the Senate went Republican, the White House went Republican.
Speaker 1:The House is leaning Republican.
Speaker 3:They're close to getting the majority. Which brings me to my first part. I want to talk about this why does it take so long to count ballots?
Speaker 1:If you look at Florida, it doesn't take long. Rick knew all his results. And how many people are in Florida? Seven million. Nine million, something like that they had their results like two and a half three hours after the polls closed.
Speaker 3:We still hanging out for Nevada and Arizona. I've not seen it lately. No, they don't have them all, but I don't understand. How does this happen?
Speaker 1:Each state has their own rules on how they count the ballots, and some states start they won't count any mail-in votes or absentee votes until election day, and some won't start counting them until the polls close on election day. And some states won't let you work past midnight counting votes and then you got to come out the next morning. It's all crazy it's ridiculous. Everybody needs to follow what florida did, because they flew through it, got accurate results and has and they have a huge uh voter turnout.
Speaker 3:but let's don't forget what took Florida to get to this point they had to have hanging chads, hanging chads, that's right, but anyhow, that's the big topic of the day, guys.
Speaker 1:I mean Florida got their results seriously within two and a half three hours of when the polls closed. And you're talking a state that's got 30 electoral college votes, so it's a big population. I mean that's an impressive run.
Speaker 3:Pennsylvania, Georgia, all these big guys did and that's an impressive run on getting your results in. I don't get the counting and all that stuff, but anyhow, hanging chads.
Speaker 1:Hanging chads. Do you remember that guy?
Speaker 3:You saw his picture all the time you want to end up looking at it. Oh yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to say that I'm very happy with the election results Wow, but look what election result I'm sure you are happy with was the failure of Amendment 2 in the Great Commonwealth of Kentucky to pass.
Speaker 2:I appreciate you teeing that up for me, because that one is personal for me as a public educator for 31 years.
Speaker 3:Is that the one that said idiots and idiots? No, oh, that's Amendment 1. Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2:In Amendment 2. In Kentucky the legislature put forward a bill, an amendment to the constitution that would have allowed public tax dollars to be diverted to private schools for the purpose of of charter schools and vouchers and, uh, it was soundly defeated. I think it was somewhere around 65 to 35 and in every county, all 120 of of this of the commonwealth of Kentucky, every county shot it down.
Speaker 1:So kudos to Kentuckians. Interestingly, I think we can all say without being we're not going to try to be controversial or anything like that regarding the election Nope, I think we can all say without any controversy that Kentucky is a diehard red state, right now yes.
Speaker 1:All of our congressmen except for one congresspeople except for one is a Republican. Louisville is not Garvey. Trump won Kentucky easily If it wasn't the first state called for trump, like it was the last few elections, it was first or second, because it was indiana and kentucky instantly right. And this is this was a, this was a an amendment that you had some prominent Republicans coming out in support of.
Speaker 2:Only.
Speaker 1:Republicans, Rand Paul, come out in support of it. I got some flyers in the mail that had Donald Trump on it saying he's for school choice. Yep Thinking they could just ride on the coattails of the Republican win through Kentucky. And it was soundly defeated.
Speaker 2:Very happy about that going down because, uh, again, as a product of public education and as a uh, you know, I've dedicated my career to my mom, who was a first grade teacher for 32 years. She would be rolling over in her grave right now she passed away last year if that amendment would have passed.
Speaker 2:And, uh, she was a strong advocate for public education, even though as a child she went to private school right, but when she got a job she worked as a public school teacher for 32 years instilled in me the values of why we have a strong public education system not to be too preachy, but I am a proud kentuckian. Today I am proud of our state for shooting it down. So, yeah, yeah, and boston bruins stink. Just just throwing that out there. On top of that, I did?
Speaker 1:did, speaking of that amendment, yes, did others, and I don't know the answer to this, but did other states have similar provisions on their ballots?
Speaker 2:There already were some other states that have already enacted this Florida, ohio some others oh. And you know everywhere that it's happened. There are problems.
Speaker 1:You mean there's not going to be teacher pay increases that's what ran.
Speaker 2:Paul's commercial said yeah, that's not happening well now, now that the election is over, we can just say those were flat lies and um, I'm just glad that the kentuckians saw through.
Speaker 1:We'll bowl saw through that a little bold.
Speaker 3:I think we can say at the election as a whole, democracy prevailed, Right. I was afraid that something happened here that if you had a candidate I'll go back to the presidential election, won the electoral college but didn't win the popular vote. You always get into that discussion, that conversation. I was glad to see it worked out the way it did. That way you won't have any other contesting or anything else going on popular vote. You always get into that discussion, that conversation. I think I was glad to see it worked out the way it did. That way you won't have any other contesting or anything else going on. The other thing is, I think, what's ironic, can we all agree that the United States, the individuals who voted, definitely had a mindset going into this thing? I think they all had in their mind. I don't think the last three months changed anybody's mind about anything. I think this has been a long time coming.
Speaker 2:It's been a mentality for a long time. Well, that's kind of a generalized statement, though, simply because I would say, maybe what's going to be the overall percentage of votes for Trump 51?
Speaker 1:Probably. So I don't think we can generalize and say the last time I looked he was up 5.5, 6 million votes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, yeah. So I would say that I'm glad that the side that lost in a free and fair election this time as opposed to 2020, which was a free and fair election I'm glad that the side that lost is, you know, not asking to incite a resurrection or resurrection.
Speaker 1:We're going to bring it up. Bring it up, bring it back. My hands are up, my hands are up in the air.
Speaker 2:no, I I am, I'm pleased that, that the democracy and that the constitution was, is being upheld. So, as a I will say this as a former government teacher and, uh, you know, civics teacher and all that for many, many years I was, I'm, I'm really nervous when any one party controls all three, the executive branch in both houses of Congress, because sometimes having.
Speaker 3:You don't have the checks and balance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes having a check is important.
Speaker 1:And you know what this leads to. It's ebb and flow In the midterm, the democrats will end up taking the senate and or the house back.
Speaker 2:I mean that's.
Speaker 1:That's what happens. The vast majority it does.
Speaker 2:It happened you know and in you know, after clinton won and you had the newt gingrich uh, you know so I mean, yeah, it's, it's good to have, it's good to have uh tug, and you know, I think we've become too, and you know I go back to this.
Speaker 3:I don't want to. You know, I think we've become too. You know I go back to this and I don't want to be the cliché-ist. I think we've become so divided though it's so, party A, party B, it's so stupid, I'm not even going to use their names right, it's so stupid. Party lines have gotten too drawn, they've gotten too hardcore.
Speaker 3:If everybody, just you know, did what was best for the country, what was best for the constituents, listened to the constituents, listen to the voters, we'd be fine. But there's too many personal agendas. How can we say that? You know, congress, these people are in there. I'm four term limits, it's not there yet. But how do these people go in there, normal citizens, and come out millionaires? There's a problem, right? So I think we've got a flawed system which, any way you look at it, I don't care who's in charge or who's in control in these houses, in the House and the Senate, we've got a flawed system. But now, the way it is, it's like you said, it's ebb and flow. It's going to happen midterms, we'll flip it back, but happen midterms, we'll flip it back. But I'm I I am more optimistic with the election results than a lot of people, and that's just my personal opinion do you look?
Speaker 1:a couple questions coming out of the election I've had. I had this conversation with somebody today. I'm going to save that for the second one, but as we're talking about the election results as of today, it happened yesterday. I've heard a lot of people on both sides say contradictory statements. One that the Republicans have a mandate because they won all the swing states won the presidency, flipped some Senate seats and then obviously the Democrats said no, this is a squeaker. They won by 2% or 1% or whatever. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1:Do you think there is a mandate?
Speaker 2:I think both things can be partially right.
Speaker 1:Sure, I don't disagree. They don't have to have a, you know all one or all the other, you don't have to have a. You know you don't have to win, but you don't have to have a Reagan 49 state suite to have a mandate. I agree with that.
Speaker 2:Right. I think that, analyzing it, looking at it today, I think one thing that came about as a result of the election you know, if you go back to, there were a lot of people that were saying, well, the Republican party needs to remake itself. There were a lot of people that were saying, well, the Republican Party needs to remake itself. Well, clearly, the results show that that isn't the case, that the Republican Party is in tune with the majority of people in the country. What they want Correct, and I think that Joe Scarborough today on Morning Joe or whatever I think said something I I thought was really intelligent.
Speaker 2:Uh, he said that. Uh uh, the democratic party really needs to look at itself in the mirror. They are the party if you go back to the 84 san francisco democrats, right when that was about the low point of the democratic party in the united states, reagan.
Speaker 1:Reagan was just dominating.
Speaker 2:The last guy you had was right, so um, well then, and then the mondale election and all that. So you know that that was a really low point and they had to reassess who they were as a party at that time. He said this morning the same thing about the democrats I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 1:The democrats, they. They say that they're the party of the working class, and things like that. But if you don't get the Teamsters endorsement, then you're not. And if you look at the states that the vice president won, you've got northeastern states, you've got the west coast. That's about it. Colorado the blue wall fell in this election. It could certainly be back the next one, but the working class in Pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin turned on him in Pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, turned on him.
Speaker 2:His point, he stated at the end, was if your only platform is, Trump is bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that can't do it. That doesn't do it, correct, I agree with that Right.
Speaker 2:You have to be able to talk about health care, you have to be able to talk about the border, you have to be able to have answers. And the telling thing was Joe Biden in 2020, and this is huge won 6% more of the youth vote than Kamala Harris did last night Now, when you're a younger candidate and you lose the youth vote to your predecessor and 45% of the Hispanic vote went to Republicans.
Speaker 3:That was not anticipated at all by the Democrats Also, the African-American vote went very strong, stronger than what it's ever been.
Speaker 1:I mean, I saw that.
Speaker 2:So these are folks that again going back to your working class, these are folks that again going back to your working class, these are folks that are looking for answers as opposed to don't tell me, the other side is bad.
Speaker 1:We want answers. I don't disagree with that at all.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you this, and I heard Joe Scarborough say that, ironically, I cannot believe that station ended up how it did. It was just listening to the thing.
Speaker 1:But anyhow Brett Baer came on.
Speaker 3:It's more than Fox and Friends. It was today he made the comment. He said that the Republican Party of old was always looked upon as the old white guy's party. Right, the old white guy's party and the Democratic Party was the party of the working class, the blue collar, the hourly wage people, the farmers and all that blue collar and you know the the hourly wage people, the farmers and all that he said. Now the perception appears to be that the Republican party is for the overtaxed, hardworking, middle-class American and the democratic party is is now seen as the white elite educated. That's trying to tell everybody here's what's best for you, here's what we need to do, here's what we need to do, here's what you need to do. And he thinks that part of the voting was a pushback on that.
Speaker 2:I hope, the one thing that comes out of all of this and we can all agree and be thankful that the ads are over. Oh, my and the texts and everything else yes, and my 80 ticks today.
Speaker 3:I got one today. Thank you, thank you, thank you yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know what I did but I did, I did vote.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's about it. I really was. I didn't do anything. Can I can?
Speaker 2:I well, let Mark say I really hope that we can get to a point of let's have some civility. Let's quit with the name calling the election's over. Let's bring the country together. It doesn't have to be you versus me, it doesn't have to be split half and half.
Speaker 3:Whatever butthead.
Speaker 2:You know. So, by the way, Bruins, really.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, hey, is that a bandwagon shirt? Before we get to his shirt, here's the other conversation.
Speaker 2:I had today. Name me three Bruins and then we'll have a conversation. The shirt was $5.99.
Speaker 3:Okay, thank you it was $5.99 at the Bruins team shop.
Speaker 1:So here's the other conversation I had today. I'm not going to say who I had the conversation with, but this person said and it brings me up to something Governor Beshear, the good governor of the common with the kentucky set. A week or so ago he made a statement that was interpreted to say he thinks we should get rid of the electoral college. I had a conversation with somebody today that said we've got to get rid of that electoral college. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:I I'll be honest with you, even as a longtime AP government teacher and all that stuff, the electoral college served a purpose back in the day. It doesn't serve the same purpose today.
Speaker 1:Having said that, it's really hard to explain that. Explain that a tick more, yeah. So electors were originally put into place to go and vote for the people that they represent Sure Right Back in the day, back in the day, back in the pony days, like your youth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when there was no cars or planes. Right yeah, got it. What's wrong with that? Is that a problem I like?
Speaker 1:that we can get history lessons from you firsthand.
Speaker 2:Hey tell us, we can get history lessons from you firsthand. Tell us a story granddaddy. Jimmy Madison and me we were down.
Speaker 1:You all hated that, alexander Hamill.
Speaker 2:He was a putz Anyway, no, so it's hard to throw the baby out with the bathwater, kind of a thing. So if you're going to do it, it can't be reactionary, it can't be because, oh well, you know, this particular election went this way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it wouldn't have mattered in this election. No, correct, I mean, it would have made zero difference in this election because Trump's won the popular vote as well. Election because Trump's won the popular vote as well. There has been some elections Bush and Gore that Gore wins the popular vote, loses the electoral college vote.
Speaker 3:Okay. So here's my problem, though and this is my big hang-up on the electoral college Number one has an electorate not voted the way of the people before. Has that ever happened? What do you mean? So an electorate can go to the Electoral College when it comes time to cast their ballot? They don't have to give it the way it was voted?
Speaker 2:Well, the House of Representatives doesn't have to certify the election either. Correct, but I don't know of an example of somebody ever done that.
Speaker 3:Any electorate ever done that.
Speaker 2:You've had delegates at presidential conventions. That have changed. I've seen that.
Speaker 3:But my question is and I guess this is the frustrating thing is let's face it Nobody worries about Kentucky because we don't matter, but Pennsylvania and Georgia and Michigan, Ohio used to be the same way, but it's not anymore.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing.
Speaker 3:Kentucky. I mean, let's face it, our votes truly don't matter. I mean they just don't in the presidential election. I mean that's why they don't campaign here.
Speaker 1:That's why they spend all their time in North Carolina. Everyone's votes matter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is not the that's not the opinion of two-thirds of the pair brother Anyhow.
Speaker 3:Three guys around a table of three guys around a table. So here's the thing. That's why your candidates don't have to come to Louisville, they don't have to go to Lexington, they don't have to campaign here.
Speaker 1:JD Vance came to Lexington, by the way.
Speaker 3:Anyhow. They don't have to do that, because they're spending all their time in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Michigan. They're hanging out in these battleground states because, let's face it, if you win those, those are the electoral votes you need, because they're counting Kentucky as a as a red state for president.
Speaker 1:But I mean, but that's but. But that also says they didn't spend time in California either and that's got the most electorates. And they didn't spend time in Texas either. It's because those states are already decided, correct, it's traditional things right.
Speaker 3:But how do they know? How do they know if it's already decided Going by historical?
Speaker 1:Tell me the last time a Texas went for a Democrat.
Speaker 2:Or the last time California chose a Republican.
Speaker 1:Reagan, that's it. Wow, which has been 45 years ago now. That's hard to believe, yeah.
Speaker 3:But anyhow, the Electoral College to me is. I think they chose.
Speaker 2:Nixon too. But anyhow, the Electoral College to me is, I think they chose Nixon too.
Speaker 1:It was in the 60s. I mean you probably know that they chose Abraham Lincoln in 64.
Speaker 3:Well.
Speaker 2:California back in those days was a little different than what it is now.
Speaker 3:I remember.
Speaker 2:The gold rush. Oh, when the gold came.
Speaker 3:Let's get back down to.
Speaker 1:So should they get rid of the Electoral College?
Speaker 2:I think it's an archaic thing that has served its purpose.
Speaker 1:But doesn't it provide a voice for the smaller populated states?
Speaker 2:In my mind no, and here's why. I'm a flat tax guy.
Speaker 3:You know what?
Speaker 2:If we could have a flat tax where everyone pays the same percentage. It's the same kind of concept as every single person's vote counts in the country, Right? So if you didn't have an electoral college, our votes would matter a lot more.
Speaker 3:That's what I was trying to say.
Speaker 2:If it came down to 500 000 votes. You know um my vote yeah, exactly that's what I was trying to say so that's where I'm I'm at with it.
Speaker 2:I, I understand, and I'm not saying it's like a terrible system that we have to get rid of. However, in my opinion, I think it's archaic, it has served its purpose and, uh, I would love to see it um changed in the future, but that's going to take some time and it has to be done a constitutional 100, but you're exactly right, though and you're not going to never have, you're not, but it has to be.
Speaker 3:It can't be based upon a reaction, and you're exactly right about that. It has to be something that, in 10 years from now, we're going to do this. This is going to go away. Away.
Speaker 2:It's like the metric system, you know.
Speaker 3:We should have gone to that.
Speaker 2:Back in the day.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 1:Let's get back to local elections real quick.
Speaker 3:We've got to be different.
Speaker 2:Where are the crickets for my metric system? That was really huge when I was 40.
Speaker 1:Yes, that was really huge.
Speaker 3:in your second half of life, whatever, uh, back to local elections.
Speaker 2:anything, anything surprising before we do that, I want I want to bring up something else on this, on the presidential election. Where do you all since greg was asking questions earlier, it's my, my turn where do you all think that the democratic party, besides what we've already talked about, where did they go wrong?
Speaker 1:when we're talking about the presidential race. Yes, you and I've talked about this before I think the. I think the biggest mistake that the vice president made was her vice presidential pick. Bingo, when, when everyone knew that pennsylvania I I sent you guys a text a couple days ago. I said if Ms Harris wins Georgia or North Carolina, she wins the election, and if President Trump wins Michigan or Pennsylvania, he wins the election. And how you do not pick a guy or a vice presidential candidate who can help you in one of those states? When he was down to the final three or so I think it was a strategic error yeah, I agree, I, I think that was and I, and I'll tell you.
Speaker 1:That was her once she got in the campaign. I think that was her biggest mistake.
Speaker 2:And you all may not like Tim Waltz or agree with this, but I personally like Tim Waltz. I think that he seems like a really good human being, but I think it's a strategic error that if she could have chosen Shapiro, that would have helped her tremendously. He would have delivered Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1:Now, who knows how the rest of it would go.
Speaker 2:She was leaving Minnesota either way. I can tell you, though, that I think that Shapiro would have done a better job in the vice presidential debate than he did, because his performance in that debate was not quite as bad as Biden's.
Speaker 1:It was close, but it wasn't good. It was close, yeah, it wasn't good. I know JD Vance is from OH IO but I know some of us in here are not huge, huge fans of him. But he looked pretty good in that vice presidential debate but it certainly could have been the bad performance of Jim Harris.
Speaker 3:I think that Vice President Harris, really I think it's almost like she threw up a panic flag when she started going on all of the Howard Sterns and the oh gosh, what's that guy's name? The rapper, and all these different talk shows and things that were very, um, how do I say that? Really target, trying to target the younger votes, right, the younger crowds and younger would say how'd that work out for you?
Speaker 1:well, that's what I'm saying well, I mean, I mean every time she did a camp, I mean honestly, every time she did a campaign event the last three weeks she had another celebrity there endorse her. But here's the thing.
Speaker 3:It also came out that she was paying the celebrities right she had.
Speaker 2:Beyonce, there comes the celebrity. I don't know anything about that, but here's the other thing though.
Speaker 3:But here's the other thing. Then she goes on oh gosh, what's the guy's name with the glasses? She sat down and had a beer with him on tv, costello on tv.
Speaker 2:He does have glasses, buddy holly, but he died back in the day anyhow. Roy orbertson was a steven.
Speaker 3:He had glasses goes on, steven cobert sets down, has a beer with him, and then you've got all those people and the floods and all that happened in north carolina. Just, the timing was off, you know, and I think that was a. I just think the look was bad, I think it was almost a desperation look and it didn't work out.
Speaker 1:Can I tell you something funny? I saw this on Twitter. We call it Twitter, right.
Speaker 2:It is Twitter the tweeter.
Speaker 1:I saw. It's funny. It said that she lost so bad last night that FEMA sent her a check for $750. Oh boy.
Speaker 3:Hey, I do have one more thing before we get to it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go ahead and hit that on you. I do have one.
Speaker 3:I thought it was funny. I do have one other thing before we close this one out, because we're running long, but I did watch the vice president's speech today at Howard University. I will never understand this. I saw it in 2020. I saw it in 2016.
Speaker 1:Mark saw it in 1864.
Speaker 3:The people on TV crying.
Speaker 1:That was a good election.
Speaker 3:It was, you know, the people on TV crying and just throwing a fit.
Speaker 2:And not overthrowing the Capitol.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree, it's insane, the young kids.
Speaker 1:There are a lot of people that are extraordinarily upset by this election the view was ridiculous.
Speaker 3:Won't even say the man's name.
Speaker 1:I mean it's whooping, come on.
Speaker 3:I mean it's terrible, but all these kids on the and I'm talking young kids, you know 18, 19, 20, young kids in college crying on TV my world.
Speaker 2:you know it is hypocritical to not bring up January 6th when you talk about reactions to an election.
Speaker 3:So I'm going to get back to my statement. The kid's all crying and crap like that. I'm going number one. What are you watching? What are you reading? These are the kids that are. You know, hey man they're passionate about it.
Speaker 2:Let them have whatever opinion that they want.
Speaker 3:I was such a Reagan guy when he won, I wouldn't run around, you know, crying for joy what? I was such a Reagan guy when he won, I wouldn't run around crying for joy. Right, I mean it's. The process has worked. It is what it is. Life goes on, 100%, 100%. I mean it is what it is. The process has worked yet again.
Speaker 1:Move on.
Speaker 2:There are a lot of people why did you have that Mondale shirt on the other day? Yeah, you know better.
Speaker 1:That was weird, a little strange.
Speaker 3:Look with any election there are, there are people who are extraordinarily upset of course, uh, at the end of it and um you know, you know, somebody's got to win, somebody's got to lose, it's just the way it is the way elections are that's the way. Everything is when you have two things going for it.
Speaker 2:That's it. I I don't mind, you know, people showing emotions and things like that. You know, I think it's, you know, like. Like I said, we have to get to a time of civility where we understand and embrace anyone's reaction and how anyone believes about things. If we get to that place, then we're a lot better off.
Speaker 1:Do you think that we have went more to the extremes because of social media?
Speaker 2:yes, I agree, yes, yes, because you're trying to get you're trying to get a.
Speaker 1:You're trying to get a. Uh, let me explain something social media is me because I agree with that, because you, because you brought up the Clinton years, I couldn't agree more. And when Gingrich come in as the Speaker of the House, right Look, gingrich was far away from where Clinton was, politically Right, yep, but those two guys ended up working together of course passing passing the welfare reform act, that's
Speaker 1:my point with all and and you know that they they ended up trying to work together for the betterment of the people. That does not appear to happen anymore that's okay, so I go back to and and and I don't know if social media has an impact on that, if it's the way, the news, whether it's, whether it's the legacy media, twitter, or or a general disrespect for everybody well, they just go to the extremes on everything, and I think that that's not where the vast majority of us live, whether it's the far right, extreme right, whether it's the far left we have the ability to change that.
Speaker 2:We as a people have the ability to change that. The thing that's happened, that I see significantly different over the course of time, outside of social media, which is the biggest driver of this change. But think about, like, just with betting, okay, when, when I was young, they would have jimmy the greek yeah that would come on tv jimmy was still in greece.
Speaker 1:Was that when is that in your early 50s? Jimmy was still in greece, then so when you were young, they bet in saloons, but no one but that exactly exactly my point.
Speaker 2:Now you can place a wager on your phone constantly, so this, so this drive to I must win, there must be a winner and a loser. There must be a winner and a loser. Um, a lot of that drives this well, if you, if you lost, then you're a loser.
Speaker 3:But I think it goes further than that. I think there's a general loss of respect in this country when the Speaker of the House stands up and tears up the speech on national television behind the President of the United States. You know, I was raised. If you love the President, great. If you don't, great. It's respectable office. You must respect the office of the President of the United States, whether you like the person or not. But in general we are such a disrespectful group of people anymore and I think a lot of that stems from a upbringing. But B it has to be social media. You can text and call anybody any name you want, but national television ripping up a speech of the commander in chief, that was just a bad look. Why does? Why does that have to happen? That should never happen.
Speaker 3:You can disagree, but you disagree over policy or how things are being done, but you don't do it in front of a worldwide audience to prove a point.
Speaker 2:Well, there have always been passionate disagreements. Think back to when Preston Brooks caned Charles Sumner, a congress, a Congressman in the 1860s, literally beat him with a cane within an ounce of his life on the floor of Congress. There have always been disagreements, and it was before my time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, disagreements are okay. Mark was there. I was going to say did you watch it? It was the darndest thing I'd ever seen. No kidding, I held the cane. Was it the cane like Sandman uses in ECW?
Speaker 2:ECW. Oh my gosh, it must be cane.
Speaker 1:That must be cane. And on that note I think we could probably so I don't know if you guys looked or not, but did you look at the results from Lima last?
Speaker 3:night. No, was there an election?
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Who won.
Speaker 1:Lima is pro-Republican Really?
Speaker 2:So did Lima have a chance to vote for Sherrod Brown versus Marino?
Speaker 1:And Marino won by almost 16,000 votes Wow.
Speaker 2:That's a pretty good turnout, but Lima coming on strong.
Speaker 1:Trump carried Lima by 20,000 votes. Wow, that's pretty good turnout, lima coming on strong. Trump carried Lima by 20,000 votes.
Speaker 2:Well, there you are.
