Blue Collar Business Podcast
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Blue Collar Business Podcast
Ep. 51 - Designing a Future and a Legacy Together
The delicate dance between entrepreneurship and marriage takes center stage in this heartfelt conversation with Sy and Sara Kirby. The couple opens up about the challenges and triumphs of building a construction business while raising a family and nurturing their relationship.
From the beginning, their different approaches were evident - Sy focused on scaling the business to eight figures while Sara concentrated on managing day-to-day operations and stability. This natural tension between visionary thinking and practical execution created both friction and balance, ultimately strengthening their partnership through honest communication.
The Kirbys don't pretend to have it all figured out. With refreshing candor, they admit to costly mistakes like prioritizing growth over systems, getting "hot-headed" about early success, and learning the hard way about proper accounting controls. Their transparency about these struggles provides valuable lessons for listeners facing similar challenges in their own businesses.
A profound shift occurred when Sy reconsidered what legacy truly means. Inspired by industry leader Herb Sargent's wisdom that "legacy is not about what you build and leave, it's about what you build and leave in people," he began prioritizing his presence with his children and investing in his employees' personal growth. This people-first approach transformed both his leadership style and family life.
The episode concludes with a practical challenge for couples in business together: dedicate 20 minutes to discussing your five-year vision, both personally and professionally. Write down five goals, agree on priorities, and identify small steps to move forward together. By posting these goals somewhere visible, you create daily reminders of what you're working toward beyond the immediate demands of your business.
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Hey guys, welcome to the Blue Collar Business Podcast, where we discuss the realest, rawest, most relevant stories and strategies behind building every corner of a blue collar business. I'm your host, cy Kirby, and I want to help you in what it took me trial and error and a whole lot of money to learn the information that no one in this industry is willing to share. Whether you're under that shade tree or have your hard hat on, let's expand your toolbox. Welcome back to another episode, guys, of the Blue Collar Business Podcast brought to you and sponsored by podcastvideoscom in their beautiful studio today in the conference room. You guys have really been enjoying our date night series and this is kind of sad that we're wrapping this up and maybe we have to do one, a quarter or something to continue this on. Let us know, guys, hit the website BlueColorBusinessPodcastcom, let us know a keynote, or find me on LinkedIn anywhere there, or just shoot me an email. I really appreciate all the kind words that this series has been helping you guys in one shape form or another and we've been putting ourselves out there being pretty vulnerable with you guys. But to Sarah's point and the reason she came on, she also understands how many other people are sitting out there in the same position as us, with no resource, with no comfort, with no, nothing other than the good Lord above. So if you're running a business guys working long hours, maybe working with your spouse, maybe working around your spouse you know how easy it is to let your relationship take a backseat, especially if you stack some kiddos on top of that.
Speaker 1:Three for us come on, and so we're carving out some time, and this is what we've been doing for the last four parts no distractions, just honest conversation about the stuff that matters Intimacy, time, communication. And today's topic is our future Shared vision, legacy, building a life beyond the business, and it's so hard to get trapped into the business forefront. This is just going to be our future, but we're going to talk about our personal futures and maybe some things we're looking forward to get out of life one day down the road. So today's episode again stay aligned in your goals, dream together and leave a legacy within the people that you're connected to, that you're proud of. So let's get to this today, guys, and as you guys know, we've been kind of doing this appetizer first, second course, kind of dessert, and leaving you guys with a challenge at the end of the show and I would love to hear how your challenges are going and how it's helped you and either your marriage or business. Thank you for joining me today, mama.
Speaker 2:You're so welcome. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1:For the part number four. You've enjoyed this.
Speaker 2:Four, yeah, I have, it's been fun.
Speaker 1:I've really enjoyed this.
Speaker 2:I feel like I've learned a lot about the way that you view our marriage and our business relationship. Uh-oh, it's been enlightening.
Speaker 1:In a good or bad way, I think good.
Speaker 1:I think, good too on this side of the table, I got to tell you I've learned a little bit, and that's exactly why I started this podcast. This is episode 52, so we've got one for every single week of the year now. Whoa, anyhow, um, but no, it's been very enlightening on this side of the table. It's been healthy, it's been um, learning. I always, I'm always constantly learning you and trying to, of course, support the new you, because we're trying to be not new, not brand new, but better versions of ourselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely Always growing.
Speaker 1:And it's a very complicated scenario when you're doing that growing in business and growing a family.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And when we first started working together, were you thinking about the future at all, or just trying to make it to payday?
Speaker 2:we were. I was trying to make a payday 100 like obviously it's entrepreneurship yeah, yeah. Like obviously I was thinking about the future, but like my main goal was like how do we get the money that you're working for in the door in Timely Manor and how do I like help you not be so stressed? Like that was my goal.
Speaker 1:Isn't that still your goal? Yeah, as of today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, daring to come nowhere in nine years. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:I think if you haven't listened to episode three, I would encourage you to go back and listen to how we've, you know, figured out our communication and I think that weighs a lot into to this point, because you know I'm more focused on the business trajectory and you're more focused on the family trajectory, and we meet in the middle with both you know about from each side of the table.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But from the business aspect, day one. I was thinking about 10 years, from that five years.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was not. That was my focus. Scale grow, scale grow. Get it to something sizable, tangible and we've always been yin and yang.
Speaker 2:Like I know that that's, that was like your goal, your focus, like that's what you always saw. The end no, I wouldn't say the end. Like you, would you the future, right where I am, like the more admin, okay, if that's where you want to go, we need this and this and this and this to happen and be done to be able to get there. And so, like that was my focus, the professional term is controller. You tell me that I am controlling and so I don't like that I do not tell you, you're controlling yeah, I just like.
Speaker 2:I like our life to happen in a certain manner, and when it doesn't go in that manner, I tend to get a little anxiety about it, and so I can be, but it's because I want the future plan that is in your head to come to fruition, and so you know you got to have the things in the right order.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it really does Go ahead.
Speaker 2:On the next question Okay, when was the moment you realized we're not just working, we're building something big?
Speaker 1:Good question, because it's so easy to get caught up in the focus of day-to-day and survival and I would say year three, year four. I really I got a little too hot-headed about what we're building.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I can speak on that now because big man really humbled me big time when I thought I had it. All money was flowing, things were rocking and, man, we didn't know nothing. It's still at that point, yeah, over five, you know five, six million dollars running through and we still didn't have all the proper systems in place. No, like you preached and like begged me to get some systems and standards in place and I'm all grow scale, grow scale, grow scale.
Speaker 1:But I would say year three, year four, when I had two crews out there working and making money and I am well not always making money, but they're out there working- yeah, as we found out and but as I was able to handle, say you know, a white collar conversation, some high level owner, high level developer during the day while work was still happening, that's when I started to go uh-oh, we're doing this thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it wasn't this great epiphany I had because, honestly, I'm the type of person and most 0.5% entrepreneurs are. You can never settle and be okay with what you have ever. That 0.5%, 99.5% of people really shouldn't be entrepreneurs. You got to have a little bit of that dog in you, not trying to be any way, but like you're getting your teeth kicked in all day long and you can't ever be happy with nothing. You want the next thing, you want the next thing, you want the next thing. It's a great trait to have, but also a terrible trait to have, from across the table, who loves and appreciates every single day of exactly what we have. Look at all the things. Who tries to open my eyes. Look at the things Kids are happy, look at all this equipment, look at the things we've acquired and built together and the culture within our company. And you know I'll speak to that.
Speaker 1:You know year six, year seven, where I got hotheaded and we had the project managers and we had five or six superintendents and thought we were just screaming through the year, you know, and we didn't have that internal accounting dialed in. Nobody told us we had to do that, you know, and we figured out the hard way by losing money, yeah, but in that year, first half of that year, I was high cotton. Rest of the half of that year, boy, I was eating, eating my future growth goals and watching them absolutely implode in front of my face. So hard to take and I was wrong. And that's when. That's when 22, I'm sorry. Yeah, end of 22 into 23. The first six months of 23 started hiring some extra folks gps to everything we needed.
Speaker 1:The year before that we did so good. I was like, all right, here's the mistakes I made last year. Let's go ahead and freaking, make sure they're not a mistakes before this work kicks off. We'll get everybody trained and rocking and rolling. And here we go. Boy was I wrong and boy was I wrong. You got to be watching those reports, those whip reports, those P&L reports, those your backlog and your sales. All of that determines your next move, not. Yes, last year weighs into it, yeah, but are you really going to repeat?
Speaker 1:Not, yes last year weighs into it. Yeah, but are you really going to repeat exactly the way you did last year? Probably not. Yeah, and but that's about when, the moment we had a couple of crews rolling around or say I was dump trucking all day, yeah, and years. I did that when we could have. Just I could have been worrying about that next job rather than driving that dump truck is a worst place for me to be, as in a dump truck or that. But, uh, no, I've. I've got to say that that was probably it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, have we ever had totally different ideas about where the business, where our family, was headed and how did we work through it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt guys, we to this day still have some differences in the next six months what we want to do in those short-term goals. Those short-term goals have been totally different on the family and business side of things. Oh yeah, it's never the long term. It took us some years. From my side of the table, we may speak differently, but truly don't worry about the details in the long term. Just have a good plan and a direction of where you're going. How you get there doesn't matter. It's usually going to be brutal and you're going to want to give up before you get there. But as long as you have a good support of an amazing partner, you will get there. But it's usually the short-term goals that are totally different ideas of how we get to the long-term goal?
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I wouldn't say that we've ever had a complete disagreement about where we want to go. Yeah, you want to be a $20 million company from day one.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And hell, for the first seven years I want to be a $100 million company. Yeah, million dollar company, yeah. And you know, in the last, especially the last you guys hear me on the show all the time about last 18 months of really taking 24 and almost all of 25 here to really focus on systems, processes, procedures, and it's like building an airplane while you're trying to fly it at 37 000 feet and I don't recommend it.
Speaker 2:No, it's hard.
Speaker 1:I would recommend fellas listening across the side of the table or go finding somebody. Shout out to Miss Shalina and Julie.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Absolutely.
Speaker 1:That are experts at how to do this, because you're not experts. Yeah, we're not experts on system building.
Speaker 2:No, no, I don't know, but we found an expert. Yes absolutely.
Speaker 1:You know, and I would encourage you guys, go watch that episode and hear about all the changes. And it was kind of embarrassing for me and shameful and for being kind of a proud, prideful man, it was hard for me to sit in all those meetings and hear how wrong I was and how dumb I was for pushing so hard on these short-term parameters and variables just to get to our long-term goal rather than planning together about short-term of how we get there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:How do we talk about the future without turning it into a fight or feeling just unbelievably overwhelming? I think that's probably one of my meat and potato questions to go across the table, because this is something that really has been an issue over the years, because I am so two years, five years, 10 years down the road and you're like honey. I just need you here now, like here right now. Prioritize this moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I think that it we've had some really terrible talks about the future. We've had some, you know, turbulent discussions.
Speaker 1:Back to flying Okay. Yeah, like where this is going.
Speaker 2:I think that we've just had to like. I understand that I am not the visionary, I am more of the realist, the day-to-day, and so I have come to a realization when we have these, come like these conversations, that me sitting here telling you, like you're, I don't want to own a company that has 20 crews on it and we do everything under the sun. I don't want to own a concrete crew, a pipe crew, a dirt crew, uh, you know, steel crew. I don't want to do that. But the way that I communicate that to you makes a huge difference. Me just telling you absolutely not, we're not doing that. Get it out of your head. Do not go and give me a quote on concrete forms. Don't do it Like I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2:Just having that conversation with you in a way that you understand that it's not because I don't love that. You want the sun and the moon and the stars, but that's just not where I want to go in our life. Let that be in a way that you can receive. It has been game changing. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Oh, a hundred percent agreed and vice versa.
Speaker 2:Because I want to give you absolutely everything that you want and it's hard for me to be like, no, let's not do that.
Speaker 1:How do we make it on? Oh, not overwhelming, it's always overwhelming.
Speaker 2:It's always overwhelming, it's not even sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like even it's always overwhelming.
Speaker 2:It's always overwhelming. It's not even sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, even if it wasn't a business like secret for that, like it's always overwhelming, the unknown is overwhelming yeah but I will tell you what's more overwhelming not talking about it not talking about it, not making a decision on yeah and just I say it to my guys in the field all the time like, make a damn decision, don't stand in the middle of the road, because you just stand there and get run over by directional traffic both ways, just wham, wham, wham, and you can never get sat on your feet standing up again because you just won't pick a lane. I would rather pick a lane, get run over by three cars and be able to stand back up and go. Okay, this sucked, this was the wrong decision.
Speaker 2:And then figure out together that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we got hit a little hard here, but at least we can stand on our feet enough to hold hands and go. All right, lord, what are we doing here and make a decision and move forward even if it is the wrong one, but we've learned more.
Speaker 1:Education is expensive, but experience is priceless and we have both high school educations. We're not college educated folks. We chose a different route in life and you know what I say. It's working out all right, but we still had to get educated and we just happened to choose and use our own $50,000,. You know, oh, we missed this, oh, we missed that. This is going to cost us this and those are very expensive lessons. And you eventually quit wanting to get punched in the teeth and start circling, going back, but circling that problem and going how did we get here? Rather than oh, this is the problem, and just pound the problem into the ground.
Speaker 1:But if, man, I just want to holler at you for just a minute. If you're sitting here and you are the visionary, it's very hard back to the 99.5%, like they don't need to be entrepreneurs. But you, true visionaries out there and I'm not a self-proclaimed visionary, um, people have told me, my wife included, that I see, I just see things a little differently. I'm not saying it's right, it's just way my brain is wired. I see the future, um, and I don't necessarily how to get there. But there's not many things in life that I said, hey, I'm going to, I'm going to do this. And I didn't do it like full feet first, head first, right into the deep end. I never just walked down the stairs and hold the handrail.
Speaker 2:And um you're like high dive.
Speaker 1:I would tone that back, gentlemen, just a little bit.
Speaker 1:She's just trying to help you and it may come out just a wee bit different than you're expecting, but it's true love and protection. She's doing her job. It's her job to protect her family and you're part of that family and she's going to protect you. Try to protect you from becoming hurt in any way that she may see that you're not even realizing or looking at yet because you're so focused on going from point A to point B. So take some time in that dash in between A to B and well before you come off of A talk, figure out and make sure we're at least going in the right direction and make sure you have that support. But how do you make sure your business supports the life you want instead of the other way around? I'd say I'm going to answer this for you. We're still learning.
Speaker 2:I was going to say I have no stinking clue, because we ain't there yet, because we're not there yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we are working so diligently our business still runs us our yeah, and, but I think that that's because we, we didn't take the time at the beginning, yep, to make sure that our life was, you know, not ran by our business, and so, and I think that we're on the right track of making that, you know, happen, but I don't think we're there, and and I wish that I had a better answer, but I just don't.
Speaker 1:I don't know, it's all timing.
Speaker 2:And you know.
Speaker 1:I, I can't sit here and act like we've got it all figured out, oh, and we're just raking in the dough and flying around the country and the world. I wish you know what we don't have to wish, because we can keep hope in all of you know, this podcast, the YouTube stuff, the, of course, construction company that we started everything with, you know, and our babies and like, but to say the business doesn't still run, our lives would be, would be a lie. Yeah, and but knowing that we knew that for a very, very long time but we didn't know how to change it no, and we didn't do anything to change it, it was just oh, you're here, you need to get to here.
Speaker 1:And we're like, okay, and you're sitting there across the table and I'm like, well, this guy's not even going to tell us how, yeah.
Speaker 2:He's not even gonna tell us how yeah he's not even gonna draw us a freaking.
Speaker 1:I don't care if I've got to go backwards and come back to get to there. Just explain to me how. Yeah, just explain. Hey, I've seen so and so go through this. This is how they did it. Yeah, may not be the right way I've done it, but, man, it gives me a freaking idea. I'm gonna move forward. Yes rather than yep. That's science, sarah. They're here, that they need to be here before we can work with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I feel like small businesses, especially small businesses, when you get into it at such a young age, that is what you run into all the time and it's like everybody has a vision or where they believe you should be. But to get to the nitty gritty of like, how are you actually supposed to run your business? How are you supposed to take a business that is working every day, moving down the tracks working every day, moving down the tracks not correctly or, you know, with the right parts and pieces, you know how do you fix it along the way, and what we have learned is that there's so few people that can actually sit there and help you, tell you how to get to where they're telling you you need to be. It's always like you're here, you need to be there, good luck, see you when you get there, and it's like we kind of could just take in that answer yeah and we were and we would, we could feel them out within the intro call or the intro meeting.
Speaker 1:We're like, no, we'd leave that meeting and go. Well, how'd you feel that's not the guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not it.
Speaker 1:You're right, that's not the guy. Let's find somebody else. But when you're sitting there and you don't know how, don't just sit there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't yeah.
Speaker 1:Chat, gpt, google find people. Linkedin is a huge deal in our world. Blue collars get on LinkedIn, all the white collar folk. That's their business social media platform, and let me not get too far off on that but-.
Speaker 2:Get on LinkedIn.
Speaker 1:Get on LinkedIn, my God, anyways.
Speaker 2:Okay, what does legacy mean to you and how do you want our kids, employees and community to remember what we've built?
Speaker 1:I've got a quote from a future guest on the show. I'm so excited to have him, but his name is Herb Sargent and most of you guys, I would assume if you're on LinkedIn, would know this gentleman, but he is phenomenal to follow on LinkedIn. This gentleman built a utility company in the Northeastern United States, sargent Utilities, and he just made his exit. His company is an ESOP program, like it goes back to. Before I finish this quote here. It goes back to why would you take advice from somebody's life that isn't pictured the one where you're wanting to go? And her made a post on LinkedIn and it was very short, very sweet.
Speaker 1:And legacy is not about what you build and leave. It's about what you build and leave in people. And man, I I sat there and I just looked at that for a minute and I almost teared up and I'm like, man, I'm getting this wrong. I'm getting it wrong and I didn't even realize it because I was so focused on my legacy for Colton, sadie and now baby Caroline and I had it just soaked into my head that you have to build something for them when you're gone.
Speaker 1:You have to have something that's going to let them build a better life, because you're not going to be're gone. You have to have something that's going to let them build a better life, because you're not going to be here forever. You have to do this for them. And boy, I got it wrong. I was still trying to be daddy, but not. It's so, so hard early on to turn off work mode when the babies were little, and that was some of the toughest times I think we'll ever live through in our entire lives. Sorry for that, but the legacy that I'm leaving in them, children, is more important than any materialistic thing that I could offer them business income, any of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I just had to be there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Episode two from this podcast, and I really made that switch. And when I when I say that, guys, I never missed a ball game, I've missed two ball games out of the six years that bubba has been playing ball, or five years, sorry, um, it's very important for me to be there, but the one thing I throw at you all the time prioritize the moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I had to figure out that the legacy that I'm building within their hearts and minds is something that is the most important thing on my mindset. But then I turned around and go what about these employees? And I'm like they're not just here to get a job done. Yes, we talk about culture on the show all the time. We have a different culture at PsyCon and it was great, and then it turned not so great, and culture takes time to reshape and refocus and I'm loving what we've got going on right now between the people, the guys, all of it. But I got to start building in them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:A lot of these guys. You know Sam Zeus been here four or five years. I know Dylan been here seven or eight years. I know, out of the nine, Like we have got to figure out how I not only professionally help them build a legacy within. All I've ever wanted, I guess, from PsyCon is that when they come to work here, they leave better. Yeah, that's truly it.
Speaker 1:Yes absolutely Don't get me wrong. Do I get personally connected to folks? There's no doubt about it. Well, yeah, and in the early years I was so personally connected and I was so concerned about their life and and it was too much yeah but they'll come to you with questions.
Speaker 1:But you have to be open and available in order for you to truly be effective in what you're trying to do. Absolutely. And, yes, build them a professional career roadmap. But I did something different. I think this was the first time this year that I had done this. I need to circle back. I'm so glad I'm going to write that down, but here's what I write it down in my book. Actually, sorry, guys, this is my notepad that I take everywhere, and if you don't have a notepad, you need a notepad.
Speaker 1:At the start of the year, I wanted different and I wanted different for our people, and so I sent out a goal list. I asked 15 questions not chat GPT, I wrote them myself. And from where do you want to be on the professional side? Where do you want to be? You know what's your goal for your personal? Is it building a house this year? Is it buying a house this year? Is it getting your first place for some of the younger guys? Is it? Whatever it is? Let me know now so I can help focus my entire year and these small amounts of times that I do get to legacy build into them, whether it's about investment strategies or whatever the case may be. I need to take that time, but now I've got a goal of where they're going. It's so much easier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And to help build whatever legacy they want, while they're help building Mars Absolutely, and so legacy is a different word for me. That was kind of a two-part answer there. But um, legacy, I thought was all about what you built, who you are like, the business that you're gonna leave you bet, but it's not.
Speaker 1:It's not, it's about what you leave behind people yeah you go and I have drastically changed my focus in ensuring that, if I were to go tomorrow, that everybody you know would say you know, cy, help me here or help me there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so that's been my way forward on the legacy there. But future conversations, you have to have them, have to have, you have to have them and if you don't, it's just going to be a chaotic, fast-paced race. You got to know where you're trying to get to and you when you know the next rest is coming. And, gentlemen, be happy when you get there and celebrate when you get there. I, I have a struggle with that. Just get to that place and go oh, this is cool, what's next? Yeah, celebrate the victory a little bit, you know.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:This is our challenge for you this week Set aside 20 minutes, maybe an early morning over coffee, maybe in the truck after work. Ask each other where do we want to be in five years in life and not just business. And I challenge you men because especially you visionary guys that are leading the charge in the company front about where it's going and how it's developing. Sit there and write up five personal goals, like for yourself, and then take it to your spouse and go. This is kind of what I'd like to see happen in the next five years and honestly, I think we may need to look at our goals from the first of the year and maybe circle back me and you and trying to figure out what our next five to 10 years looks like.
Speaker 1:We've been working on it there ain't no doubt about it Absolutely Behind the scenes and where we're shaping up for the next five 10 years, and it's a lot different than what it used to be. Yeah, it's just a lot different. But maybe what's one small thing we can start doing now to move in that direction? It doesn't need to be these big grand things a five minute conversation, or you may even just text each other. How about that let's get. Let's get super basic Text each other your five goals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you've never done a goal list with your wife or spouse or business or whatever, you have to have a goal list but I encourage you to sit down together and agree with those five things yeah, yeah, but and I mean, like I appreciate your personal five goals for yourself, but as family and especially as business, like we need to make goals together and um, and where you want to be, where I want to be Come to a common agreement on where our future is going and what it looks like. And once you have that I mean write it down I encourage you to put it in places that you're going to see every day, you know, like on your bathroom mirror, your truck, like wherever works for you and that you're comfortable with. And it doesn't have to be a perfect list, but just a list that shows you the common goal and where you're trying to get to.
Speaker 2:A point of motivation, just like, hey, we're not where we want to be, but in five years, this is where this is the goal and just have it somewhere that you're going to constantly see, remind you that this is what you do or this is what you're working for. You know.
Speaker 1:It together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, together.
Speaker 1:Put it up somewhere, as you guys heard I don't know if it was this, this episode or last but bathroom talks we have. We write things on our bathroom mirrors all the time, yeah, and we've got a giant annual calendar in our room, an annual calendar in our office, and it's a lot, but it's worth it and the small time don't don't don't sit there and hammer each other for an hour about my plan is better than your plan. Just share what do we meet? What's your focus Personally? Where do you think family ought to go? And it may change in six months.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And sit down and write a new set. Yep, because if you're in this together forever.
Speaker 2:It's going to change a lot change.
Speaker 1:It's gonna change a whole lot. Yep, guys, I can't thank you enough. Number one, babe, thank you for being vulnerable, coming on the show, um, shedding some insight into credibility about what we're doing and how we're doing, and we're just normal people just trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:We're not nobody, you know, but we are a resource for these people. Yeah, and it was a big deal for you to come on here. This is not Sarah's world. Sarah doesn't even do social media Like very lightly on the old book of faces so it was a big deal for her to sit down with me. I do this week in, week out, but it was special to me and something I won't forget anytime soon.
Speaker 1:Let us know, guys, bluecollarbusinesspodcastcom, reach out to me LinkedIn, shoot me an email there's just several ways to get in touch with me, but I want to hear how this has affected you guys and from the guys that have already sent in some messages. I really appreciate it and I encourage you. Just keep going every day. Just win the day. Just win the day. That's all you can do and win the day together. Say a prayer in the morning, say a prayer in the evening. That's about the only thing that gets us through half the time, absolutely.
Speaker 1:This was just a reminder to you guys that you're not alone out there fighting the good fight. It's the small business America that the married couple's trying to just do it and do it right and don't be afraid to ask for help, and so I'm so glad you're here thinking that this may help you in some way or some fashion. But again, we've had four I think three out of four. We've had three or four challenges essentially to you guys. Let us know how those are going, let us know how that's affected you.
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