Ep. 12: Learning to Live Life to the Best of Your Abilities with Katharine Mullings

In this episode Nichi speaks with Katharine Mullings, a resilient mother of three, qualified counsellor, and advocate for living authentically with invisible conditions. Katharine shares her raw and powerful journey from living a healthy, carefree life to being diagnosed with three invisible illnesses—ankylosing spondylitis, celiac disease, and hypothyroidism—while raising her young family. She opens up about the challenges of navigating the UK's healthcare system, her experiences with acceptance, and the struggle for validation within medical and social spaces. Her story highlights the power of advocacy, persistence, and redefining success on your own terms.

Key Takeaways:

1. The Road to Diagnosis: Katharine discusses journey to being diagnosed with three invisible illnesses over a six-year period, and a physiotherapist who really listened.
2. The Power of Advocacy: Both Katharine and Nichi reflect on how vital it is for healthcare professionals to listen to patients. 
3. Living with Invisible Illnesses: Katharine opens up about the daily pain, fatigue, and unpredictability of life with ankylosing spondylitis. 
4. Acceptance vs. Resistance: The shift in mindset—from stubborn resistance to self-acceptance—was transformative in finding peace and redefining success. 
5. Pacing & Boundaries: Learning to pace activities and set boundaries was a key part of Katharine's journey. 
6. The Role of Identity & Self-Worth: Katharine reflects on how what  gave her a renewed sense of purpose, helping her reclaim herself beyond just being a mother or patient.
7. Social Isolation & Community: Katharine describes the emotional toll of isolation that comes with invisible illnesses and realising that connection and socialising were crucial to her mental well-being.
8. Adapting to a New Normal: Katharine learned to adapt to her “new normal” by focusing on values-driven living, prioritising quality time with family, walks by the coast, and maintaining meaningful relationships. 
9. Advice for Others Living with Invisible Conditions: Come to terms with your condition and recognise that it's okay to ask for help; Learn to pace yourself, even on good days, and avoid overdoing it; Surround yourself with supportive people who understand your experience and communicate your needs clearly to loved ones and healthcare providers.

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Welcome to the Sustainable Success Series, the podcast where my mission is to transform the worlds of those living with invisible conditions, supporting them to become their biggest advocates, begin to heal and make sustainable changes to get back being too busy living. We explore sustainable success in health relationships and business. We raise awareness and we relatable stories from people just like you. Driven visionary people who dream of more for their life without sacrificing their health. or being stuck behind those invisible chains. Plus, the insights, knowledge and know how from those in the field. I'm your host, Nicky Moran. I've been through the trenches myself, through trauma, adversity, and invisible conditions. I've combined my lived experience, my learnings, and my diverse knowledge as a clinical psychologist, sustainable success coach, author, rural businesswoman, and entrepreneur to transform my life. My vision is to inspire a global movement for a world where invisible conditions are understood, accepted, and met with sustainable solutions. Empowering people to live with energy, purpose, and fulfillment. And I do this through the Million Scene Movement. Join me and be inspired, be curious, and become excited. This is the Sustainable Success Series. Welcome everybody to this episode. Today I'm very excited to have Catherine Mullings with me. So Catherine is a mum to three kids, including a 13 year old daughter, nine year old identical twin boys, and she's married to her wonderful husband. They live in Greater London in the UK. And after a career break and four years of studying, recently qualified as a counsellor. Prior to 2011, Catherine lived a healthy and carefree life, focusing on her career, working in the helping professions with young people in the care system, and safeguarding and enjoying life to the full. At the end of 2014, having just found out she was pregnant with twins at the age of 37, and being a mum to her three year old daughter, her family was thrown into the pool of invisible disabilities. As her daughter was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes on New Year's Eve, and then in the later stages of Catherine's pregnancy, she began to experience some of the symptoms which she now knows as the early signs of ankylosing spondylitis. It then took six years to be diagnosed with not just one, but three invisible illnesses, adding celiac disease and hypothyroidism to the list. And as a result of her journey into counselling, she also discovered that there may be neurodivergence also. So, welcome Catherine. I'm very happy to be talking with you today. Hi, thanks for inviting me. So Catherine, I've just shared a little bit about yourself and your story. Is there anything that you would like to add and tell us a little bit more about your story? Um, I suppose it's probably helpful to know that, um, so obviously in the UK, I'm relying on the NHS in terms of sort of healthcare. but I was lucky enough that, I was seeing a private physiotherapist and that is really how I found out about my condition because, um, She was very concerned about how I was describing my pain, which they thought was, um, sacroiliac joint pain. inflammation from having my twins. Yeah. But when I started explaining that, um, my pain was like burning in my bones, that obviously highlighted something to her. And she referred me to, a private rheumatologist. And again, I feel privileged in the sense that I was able to access private healthcare, which I know a lot of people here in the UK aren't able to do. Um, and it was only at that point that I had, and MRIs and all the other sort of scans that you can have done. Um, but as I say, that was 2014. I was pregnant. I had the boys in 2015 in May, and then I, I still didn't actually get a diagnosis until 2018. Um, and then the others came after. Yeah. The other two diagnoses came after that as well. So it sounds like it was quite a journey to go through to get that diagnosis. Yeah, so that I think a lot of, health care professionals were thinking that it was probably due to, uh, the twin pregnancy and the strain that it had placed on my body. Um, my boys both went, well, because they were identical, they would only allow me to go to 36 weeks, but they were both, um, six pounds, both good weight. But obviously it's still a lot of strain on the body and they thought that it was. recover, um, with physio, but obviously there was other underlying conditions going on that they weren't aware of. Which is often the case, isn't it? Yeah. So for people that don't know much about that condition, can you just briefly just tell us what are the symptoms of that condition so it is a form of arthritis, which, um, basically is your body has kind of gone into override with inflammation. It's, um, so it begins to attack. Your bone structure, really, but it starts with the spine, um, which I think is why it's quite common that people experience the sacroiliac joint inflammation beginning and the sort of lower lumbar. Um, but for me is also, um, which again was very complicated because I had very young children and, you know, busy life and I was still working and, um, it was complicated by fatigue, but it wasn't. I wasn't sure if it was fatigue just from being, you know, a busy mum working or whether it was, you know, not normal, what we call normal sort of fatigue from those things. Um, but yes, I just kind of, um, I have a lot of pain on a daily basis. Mostly in my joints or in my spine, but in my, and it spreads to other joints. That's the other difficulty. So it's quite unpleasant when it's in a flare, but it can be managed, but I've had difficulty managing it. Because of lots of other complications with lifestyle and just not reacting well to the medication that they've offered me. Yeah. Yeah. And, and like you said, like you just had twins and trying to tease apart the fatigue from being a mum and, and every, some of the overlapping things, it would have been quite tricky and dragged out working out what's going on. Yeah. And I think because I'm quite a stubborn person and, I was just trying to get through it and just, you know, I wasn't really being truthful with myself that it was as difficult as it was. And I was just trying to prove myself and everyone that I could still work and, you know, be a mom to twin boys and my daughter who just got been diagnosed with type one diabetes. And, you know, I wasn't prepared to. and put my hands up and say this is all a bit too much and because I, for me, my career was really important and that was one of the things I wanted to hold on to, but it was the one thing that really ended up having to go in order for me to look after myself and my family. The sacrifice. Yes, indeed. Yeah. Yeah. And what do you think are some of the key influences or experiences that shaped your journey? Um, I definitely think, the physiotherapist that I saw really listening to me, I'd had physio before and it'd been fairly successful. And then I'd had a break. But then obviously the pain started to come back again, and it's very difficult, I think, to explain pain to other people. And having had 30 odd years of my life, I've had acute pain where I've injured my knee and things like that. But, um, to try and explain how this pain feels is really difficult. And I couldn't imagine what, you know, when I was a healthy person, I couldn't imagine what this pain was like. Um, but I was really lucky that that physiotherapist really listened to me and thought this is not, this is not sounding good. And she was the person that referred me onto the rheumatologist. And again, as I said, I was lucky in the sense it was private. So if it had been through the NHS, I wonder how long it might have taken. Yeah, because physiotherapy in the NHS looks very different to it, to what it is in private practice. And I think that physio, just listening to your story and trying to understand what's going on for you, that makes such a difference when you're in that situation and you are wanting help. Absolutely, and I think that is, I think that is the one thing I've found, and even in my daughter's experience 1 diabetes, When professionals don't listen to you because they think that they know, they know better because they're the professional and it can be really frustrating. Um, and again, I feel somewhat privileged and lucky the sense of, you know, I've been in a position like that myself as a safeguarding officer where I am looked at as the professional. Yeah, but. So I have the strength and the knowledge and the experience to challenge other professionals and the comp and the confidence whereas Somebody who hasn't necessarily been through that route in their career, um, may not have the same confidence we, you know, we are raised to trust people in particularly in the health industry. And, you know, the doctor is always right. And, but I haven't necessarily found that that's always been the case. It's lovely when you find someone who really does listen. I 110 percent absolutely agree with everything you just said because through my own experiences and with my daughter's experiences when you you are dismissed or you are not heard or That invalidation, it is absolutely heartbreaking. And when someone actually listens and tries to understand and wants to look outside the box and try and work out what's going on, like that's brought me to tears before, because I think, wow, I think I'm lucky also where I can. Due to my profession, I can really advocate for myself, for my kids and use my skills in that way. But a lot of people that don't have that, I suppose experience in the healthcare industry, it can be really hard. And I think the client should always be due to see expert because they're the expert in what's going on with them. Absolutely. And I think that it goes back to, again, you know, Unless you have these conditions, you can never fully understand. I mean, even though I have my own conditions, I still would never say to my daughter, I know exactly what you're going through because I can't. No. And everybody, even as, I mean, you know, there are various forums online where people with the same condition talk. And I, even when I interact on those, I always have to remind myself, you know, everybody is different. Got three kids or you know that we've all had our own journeys and we all have our own different lifestyles Yeah, I remember reading something where someone had started so I take Biologic which is supposed to suppress the arthritis and the inflammation And I remember just before I was going to start reading something with someone, I said, Oh, I've returned to, um, riding horses. And I was thinking, Oh my God, this is going to like change my life. I can't wait. I'm still waiting for that. And that's, you know, I've been on those four years now. So. It's like every server has their own stripes. It's like every person has their own presentation. Everything's different. Yeah. Do you mind sharing any significant challenges or adversities that you've faced in your journey? I think for me, it's, it's kind of twofold. The challenge is with myself, my ability to, um, I've kind of battled with the acceptance Is acceptance giving in or, you know, and I have found that quite difficult, but for me personally, it was also, and again, at the time I didn't have a diagnosis, but, I think my experience within my job, um, I'd been working there six years and I felt as though I wasn't performing to the best of my ability and I'd had a lot of time off, but I felt very much pushed out. Because of that, I felt like a burden and that they couldn't really wait to get rid of me. Um, which is obviously quite difficult because I'd always taken pride in my work. Um, and it was always part of who I was. My career, I didn't have my daughter until I was 33. So I put a lot into my career and I loved it. I loved working. You know. Majority of the time I'd work with young people in the care system, but I was very passionate about helping people in general. Um, yeah, and I think so it was just the challenge really was learning to live with this condition for me. Um, and I think probably I'm getting there and I do, I'm much better at it. Um, I'm currently having a really bad flare and I've had to not go into work this week. Um, I'm very lucky because my, the organization I'm currently with at the moment, they're very understanding and flexible and, um, it's, it's working out, but that's not necessarily always the case. It sounds like it's a good workplace if it's flexible, but I'm really sorry to hear that you're having a flare and I thank you for still making time for me to talk with today, because it's not easy when you're having a flare. It isn't, but I think for me again, I know what makes a flare. Me feel better. Um, and I, I mean, that's one of the other things I've learned. I, um, so I'd left my job 2019. I left my job in 2018 and 2019. I was really struggling with my mental health. I think if I look back now and be realistic, um, I was very isolated. I felt because I couldn't really, um, again, I think it's about feeling a bit like a burden because it was always like, you know, my friends want to meet up, but sometimes I'd be like late or I've always been late, but later than usual. But, um, you know, and it's like, Oh, I can't go here because I can't sit comfortably. And it's all these sort of. Yeah, things where you feel like you're having to make excuses and explain yourself and and I didn't like that. It made me feel uncomfortable. and I really got into quite a dark place. I think with the idea of living another 50 years like this possibly is like my grandparents all sort of lived into their 90s. So I knew I'd probably gonna have a long life. And yeah, I think I've realized that actually. Isolating yourself in that way is probably one of the worst things you can do with a condition like this or any invisible condition because not, and I think again it's a very personal thing. I recognize socializing and talking with others and it actually does me good. It's good for me, even when I'm having a flare. Yeah, it is social medicine and I've noticed that the people I work with too and and even with myself but it's so easy to get in that mindset when you are feeling a bit like that or just isolating yourself and Not feeling you have any energy to speak with anyone, but when you actually do it can just lift you a little bit Yeah, and I think it's just that thing of you need to find And I'm very lucky, again, it's been part of my counselling journey, that the group of women that I was on the counselling group with. We've all had to, as part of the course, share lots of things. And I think sometimes it's about finding your people that really understand, forgive you when you can't make it because you just can't get out of bed or whatever it might be. Um, and that you don't, they don't make you feel like you are a burden. I think that's the most important thing. And if that's only one person, one person is enough. But, yeah, you know. Yeah, exactly. Has there been any specific moments or events that have been a turning point for you? Um, I think one of the things that really helped for me was, so again, I was quite lucky through the NHS, I was actually referred for, um, group counselling and, um, I actually did it. So it's called long term conditions group. And because it was like COVID time, so it was online. Yeah. But, so I did it the first time round and it was awful. And I think, again, I don't know if that was more because of, I wasn't ready or just wasn't hearing the ideas. They weren't falling for me very well. Or there was some elements of the person who's running the course. Yeah. trivializing, I think. Um, so that, yeah, but I did it again. I did it a second time around. I basically complained and said it wasn't very good. And, they allowed me to do it again because I'd had some, CBT one to one and the person who was running that For me, then was running the long term conditions group. So I did it again. And again, it may have been because I was more ready for it or, but it was definitely run better, but, um, I really took on board some of the, the, the ideas and, it made me really, and again, this is really difficult because obviously you're in a group with other people who, there was one lady in the group who literally had. was bedridden now and had also lost her child to foster care because she wasn't able to look after him. So there was an element of me looking at myself thinking, I am, you know, I'm still struggling, but I'm not giving up. There and yes, just to really appreciate the small things. I remember one session. I literally it was I think in school holidays or something and I literally thought I'm going to take my kids to the park today because I can do that. Yeah, and Whereas, you know, prior to that group, I was feeling quite sorry for myself. Um, but I learned a lot of things about pacing and Trying to just live identifying the values My values what's important to me and And just trying to live as best I can to those. Um, but again, I also another physiotherapist who I'm still seeing. I've been going to see her for about two years now. Um, she's made a huge impact on not understanding the condition as well, but just she really listens when I go to see her and she is doing her very best to inform herself to help me. Which I just find, you know, she's probably got a hundred patients, but, you know, I just feel that I am being listened to. Yeah, yeah. So, and I think that makes such a difference. Oh, it does. When you find those ones that do, like, really just make that little bit of a difference, you've just got to hang on to those ones. They're good. Yes, they really are. Yeah. Yeah. Um, how did you think you helped change that mindset or, or was there any certain things you did to help you adapt to be able to overcome some of those challenges? For me, particularly, it was some of the techniques I learned on that long term conditions group that the idea that, um, again, and it comes back to the balance between accepting. This condition because I was very much in fight mode, like, I'm going to get rid of this. I'm going to make this better. I'm not going to have this. I really hadn't got to the point where I was accepting that this is for life. And I just kept thinking, there'll be something out there that fixes this. And, and. As much as medication can help, nothing can fix it. It's a condition for life. And I think that is the most difficult thing to overcome. But listening to, you know, really listening to my body and learning, I mean, learning to pace myself has been my biggest issue. Um, and I think there's an element of the neurodiversity that comes into this. So I'm very much like all or nothing with some things. Sorry. You know, I think, right, I'm gonna tidy up the house for a bit. I'm gonna sell myself. I'm gonna just do this for 20 minutes because that's all I can do and then I get focused and then two hours has gone past and then I regret it for the rest of the week because I've overdone it. So I've really had to focus on that and And I've even got my kids and my husband involved in that. And like, if I start anything like that, my husband will be like, it's 30 minutes now, stop, you know, because otherwise I will just carry on. And then I regret it. Um, but also just things like, as I said, the, the socializing thing, I make time to rest. But I really concentrate on that thing of doing stuff that brings me joy, really. Yes, yep. Um, which is one of the reasons. I joined the counseling course, I'd wanted to do it for like 10 years, and, I knew it could be a lot more flexible than any other job. Yeah. Mm-hmm Um, and I knew, I, I hoped because of the line of work, whoever I was gonna be working with or alongside would be more understanding. But for me it was really about finding my people. Um, I. I love my kids. I love being a mum, but I needed me a bit of me and work gave me that I needed to be Catherine or cat. You know, I just needed that element back in my life, which was missing because I wasn't at work and I, I remember my mum saying, Oh, well, you know, when the kids start school, you'll find the mums in the playground. That's not me because I, again, I don't want to talk, I don't necessarily want to talk about my children all the time. Yes. I need something for my brain to get involved with. Um, and it's doing the counselling course. Gave me both. I met a great group of women. Um, and I really truly believe that we will be friends for life because we've, you know, been some of us have been together over this journey for about four years now. Um, but also that stimulation of learning and actually doing a job that I love has really brought stuff back to my life that I needed. Yeah. So yeah, and I think you would've something important because I hear a lot of people say that they lose who they are or they want to find who they are again because they, like their identity has been apparent or or their identities, their career, but then we can also fuse with their conditions also. Absolutely. Yeah. Having that something I think so important. Yeah, and I think. Again, I don't want to kind of make this about being female, but I think particularly as a mother, um, I do feel that there's a bit of a pressure to just be happy just being a parent. And again, as I say, I love being a parent. My kids are great, but You know my I've always loved my job. Yeah, I love I've always loved learning and I did that until I was 33 and so I had a long time of just myself doing what I wanted for myself and Then I was doing a lot of giving Yeah, and I just I needed that bit of me back where I could sit in a room with other people yeah, and choose to talk about my children if I wanted to and Oh, I like that. That's good. Yeah. And I know living with invisible conditions, sometimes that can impact relationships. Has that been something that you've found? Um, I think I've been very lucky because my husband has been very understanding and we do. But that again, has been down to me having to communicate things and learn to not be so fiercely independent, really. Yeah. One. Yeah. It's it. That's been a struggle for me. Yeah. Um, and even the financial side of it, having to give up work that. That was, I'd always been financially independent. Um, and even though we were married. I still wanted to be financially independent and I just found that a real, and I mean to be honest, I still find it a struggle though. Um, you know, I have a bit of my own money when you don't work full time. It's not as much. So yeah, it's still that reliance on somebody else financially, which again is something I've had to learn to accept. Um, but. It's definitely about communicating, and there have been times where, you know, I mean, like this week, there were certain things I just can't, you know, even things like getting the shopping. I mean, I don't actually go in the shop, I just click and collect, but unpacking the shopping. Probably five years ago I would have just done it and then been in pain. Now I'm like, I'm going to need help unpacking this shopping today. I have to just be really clear. And again, he was even the one that said to me when I was struggling with work, like just leave, like you need to leave. Um, and it was ridiculous because it was like someone else giving me permission to do it. But I needed that and it was good that he was able to say that to me and I, and I know again it's for some people it's not that easy because I'm lucky that my husband earns enough that we can, you know, balance the books with just his wages but, um, You know, not everyone's in that position and there are still people that have to go to work and it's really difficult. Definitely. So are there any key lessons you think that you've learned along your journey to be able to get back engaging in some living? I think it comes back to just that, like identifying. What is important to you? Um, for me personally, and everyone's driven by different things for me personally, it's very much like the wanting to spend time with friends and family and do enjoyable. I mean, very basic things like being able to go for a, I mean, my parents live by the coast and being able to go to the coast and have a walk and all those sort of things that, a very basic for some people. Um, but when you have a condition where sometimes just walking 10 minutes is too much, um, it's those small things and really having to appreciate when I'm feeling good, make the most of it, but don't push myself. Yeah. That's the other thing, because that's also a lesson I've learned is. I've done that before where I think, Oh, I'm having a really good two, three weeks. I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that and completely overdo it. And then I spend a week regretting it. Yeah. So that pacing and listening. Absolutely. Yeah, it's the balance and it's, it's really difficult, really difficult because when you're feeling well Mm hmm. You thinking I just want to make the most of all of this like feeling good and being able to do stuff But it comes unfortunately Sometimes it can come with a cost. Yeah, physically. Yeah, absolutely Is there any advice that you could give others who are struggling with invisible conditions, um, and aiming to be able to somehow find a sustainable way with life? Hmm. I think it does go back to that thing of, I mean, personally I've found, so I've had to, as part of the course, learn to be a counsellor, I've had to have personal therapy. Yeah. And again, I'm in a privileged position where I can afford to pay for it. and I've had good therapy. I think there is very much about coming to terms with your condition is the stuff. You can't fully change this, but there are things within your capacity to help. So as I said, learning to balance acceptance with hope, I think really, um, but very much learning what You can and can't do pacing yourself is really important. Um, there's an analogy that I often hear used on. I found it really unhelpful personally for me. So this idea of got a bunch of spoons and you share the spoons out. I just, I've never been able to get my head around that because it's like, I don't know for one day to the next, how many spoons that activity is going to take for me. And when you're having a particularly bad day, you might not have any spoons at all. Yeah, yep. So, you know, but, so I think it's very much like re evaluating what is really important to you and living to the best of your ability those values. Um, yeah, I think it's really important and it keeps you going. Yeah, I think too, it's really important to connect with your values because someone who is living according to their values, they're not going to look, they're normally going to be happy if they're living according to their values. Yeah. And don't. Listen to we, I think society, there's a lot of pressures on this is what life should look like. I mean, I've had to give in to things like my house isn't as tidy as I'd like it to be always, you know, there were certain times when I'd love to take my kids out every single day during the summer holidays. But I can't do that, and the kids have had to learn to, and again, some guilt comes with that. But explaining to my children in their terms like, you know, if you allow mummy to rest today, tomorrow we can go out and do something and we can, you know, make a list of the things you want to do. It's really communicating with your family and friends. About your reality as well is so important and finding people that will accept you as you are Yeah It's all is also part of it. I think We're communicating your needs and finding those that accept you how you are to be yeah points Yeah. Yep. So Catherine, is there anything else that you'd like to share with the listeners today or any final messages or reflections? Um, I think really it's about when you have an illness, which is invisible and you are struggling. I think the most important thing is, is to reach out to others who you trust. Um, and to live, you can only live to the best of your ability. To not be pressured really with the ideals of society, particularly, you know, we, we all hear this like living my best life and all this nonsense, you know, living the best life is to your best life, not everybody else's. Yeah, that's so true. Isn't it easy just to get caught up in that mentality when you're not having a good day? And I think things you see on social media too can really influence that because people like to show the best of things on social media, but it's not really like that for a lot of people. And that's why I, I'm very honest. So with my, um, my Instagram page, I am very honest with yeah, what I post. Because I think it's necessary for other people, particularly you may be looking at what I'm doing because I have the same condition that they see that I have good days and I have some awful days. And I think it's important for people to understand that. Yes. Yeah. It's very real, isn't it? It is because, you know, everybody has bad days, but for somebody living with an invisible condition, I mean, I could literally walk into a room and no one would know, they wouldn't have a clue. You know, people often say to me, Oh, you look really good today. And I think, God, I'm glad I look good. Because I feel awful. Whereas before I would have just gone, Thanks, now I would say. Well, I'm glad I look good, but I do feel awful. I'm really struggling today. Um, and again, that is very much if you're somebody who is very proud and very, um, determined and maybe, you know, wanting to be successful with everything. That's a hard lesson to learn. Yeah. Thank you so much, Catherine. I think you have really shared some very important information today and just. So just some different things for people to think about who might be struggling and just give them that little bit of hope. And I'm going to put in the link, the, your Instagram pages where people can find you if they would like to, to follow you and know more about the work that you're doing also. So I thank you very much. Thanks very much. It's been great to speak to you. Thank you for listening to the Sustainable Success Series. Our content is general in nature and does not replace the advice from your health professional. Please subscribe to our show and follow us on social media to stay up. If you would like to be a guest on our podcast and you'd like to raise awareness or share your story, please reach out. We'd love to hear from you. Our email is in the show notes.