#48 - PHX HOT BOY | What it takes to be a hot boy

Welcome back to Get Vertical REAL TALK podcast Season 3 and we are back rolling in 2026. On this podcast you get to meet the best V-Twin Harley stunt riders in the industry from around the world. In this episode we feature Sammy Yates aka Phx Hot Boy. Check him out.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

First Friday night ride, and I it got like swarmed in by cops. And I actually watched um Limiter Larson and uh gentleman named Cash kind of getting swarmed in and they just kind of smacked into each other. But going on that ride like changed everything for me because I'd never seen a Harley do a wheelie before. And I was like, I want to do that.

SPEAKER_02 0:14

When you go to the lot and you're trying to pretend like you know how to wheelie, everyone around you that knows how to wheelie knows you don't know how to wheelie. So quit trying to pretend in the same way you would go to the gym and try to lift heavier than you can lift. Everyone that actually works out every single day knows you can't lift that much, so just lower the weight. When was the first time you were featured on like a video on YouTube where you're like, I finally fucking made it?

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Brian 66 video cracking up my sporty, and he's like, hell yeah. And I was like, dude, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Like, that's me.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Like I did that. I think people want sponsors so bad. Like everybody always wants to be sponsored. That's always like the end goal. Like to say you're sponsored in the ad scene's like it's a lot of people really want to be sponsored and will take anything for something for nothing. And to watch somebody go straight through a fence, I went through a fence.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

And she broke her foot. Travis almost broke his foot, people got fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

This sounds absolutely horrible to say, but I've hit a few people now. And like and there's a big manhole right at the end of the lot. And you can see in the video, I'm doing good. I'm doing real good. And then I hit the manhole. I remember thinking, buddy, you're going for a ride.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

My check, my check, is this thing on? Welcome back to uh Get Vertical Real Talk Podcast is a How do we snatch running podcast? This is season three, episode one. Um, and our goal with the Shimon Company is to introduce you to people and ideas that actually help you level up your snet learning game professionally. I'm your host, Dre Stunts. Help me in welcoming Phoenix Hot Boy. Tell my audience who the fuck you are.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

Uh, my name's Sammy Yates, also known as Phoenix Hotboy. I'm from Phoenix, Arizona. Uh Phoenix born and raised. I'm a stunt rider and uh semi-professional scumbag. So I like to have a good time and ride a motorcycle.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

Semi-professional scumbag.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

I'd say so, at least in a sense of a motorcycle aspect.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

You know, that's kind of fits our niche a little bit though.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Yeah. How would you describe your scumb scumbagness?

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Oh man, I'm honestly, I'm really not that bad. I try to be good to everybody, honestly. Um, I really just like to do exactly what I want all the time. So I try to have as much fun as possible in every aspect and whenever I can and whatever I do.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

So I feel like you're the one of the more animated characters in our scene. You're like you have your your car, you have the hair. I don't know, you just have the style.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

I just like to be myself. You know, I feel like that's a big thing in our our scene that people kind of lack sometimes is they're always looking to be somebody else or uh imitate. I think a lot of people in this scene you need to understand the difference between imitation and inspiration.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

Yeah. What do you what do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_00 2:53

I mean, like a lot of people, it seems like a lot of people want to be somebody else or like trying to do this to compete with somebody else. And I think inspiration's a big thing. Like there's a lot of people who inspire me in the game. Luckily, I'm very blessed to have some of my friends be the ones. Um, but I feel like in some ways, some people try to look like somebody else, see somebody else do something, and feel like they have to do the same thing and imitate the same, whether it be trick, this, that, and the other, but they are like maybe style even at times. But I think inspiration's a big thing. Imitation's kind of a flaw.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

How do you tell the difference? Because I I know exactly what you're talking about, but it's hard to explain to someone that isn't in our niche.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

I think the reasoning behind it is a big thing too. Um you gotta love it for the game. You gotta not love it for what people see on Instagram or see on YouTube. You gotta love it for what it is. You know, a lot of like people like yourself, you've been in this industry a whole long time, real long time, and you're in it for the game. You you do all your businesses for sure, but you're you're still doing it for the love no matter what. I think a lot of people saw it on Instagram and kind of ran with that and kind of get really um what's the word I'm looking for? Infatuated with it. I don't think it's a bad thing necessarily, you know. It's not I would I just think a lot of people should focus on more being themselves and they'll probably go a lot farther.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

Yeah, yeah. You know, at some at the beginning of a stage of my career though, I it wasn't that way, like for me. I I feel like it it was very competitive in the sense that like I wanted to be better than other people. Have you ever gone through something like that?

SPEAKER_00 4:33

I think uh I've been in a similar situation, aspect of like I see friends that I started with progressing and doing things that I feel I could do and should do, and I'm not. And and I know it's not more like a uh jealousy, but more like an envy. Like I really should step my game up, and like I don't know, I kind of take it as like constructive criticism within myself. Like, I see my dude doing that, but he started at the same time, there's no reason why I shouldn't be do that, but I don't.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Some people are just naturally born and gifted with writing, I swear. It just shit comes easy, but I notice those people typically like fall off, or they don't stick with it because it comes too easy.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

I can see that 100%. I've seen a few people come in and out of the scene that uh definitely have done that, and it also blows my mind sometimes. It's like sometimes kind of wasted talent. Like some of you guys are really like really, really talented humans in general, like and even beyond motorcycle, still talented. You'd be a good good thing to have around, good person to have around, but you end up falling off. And um I feel like in a lot of ways, some people think actually I couldn't even tell you because I always wonder myself why why disappear on something that you're kind of making a name for yourself in. But that's just me, I suppose.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

Consistency is hard. It is it's fucking hard, and that's with anything in life, and going in into that, you're starting this this podcast, um, hotcast, and I wanted to talk to you about how you kind of transitioned what you've learned from stunt writing into your podcast now.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

The only thing I can think of is um the time is putting in the time, putting the effort and learning because it's pretty incredible how like I feel like every single one you do, you learn something. But you go back and think about what I could do better, or you watch it back and you're like, man, I should have done this differently. Maybe that thanks to my will do this differently. Maybe my lighting could have been better, maybe my sound could be better. Me personally, I lack on both those things pretty heavily right now. So uh I think every time I go back, I learn more and more. Every time I edit, I learn more and more, and it's kind of made me like it's given me a new outlet of something that I've never been really involved in. I haven't been too techy or too technologically advanced. So trying something new, it's kind of like the beginning of stunt writing where for me, stunt writing came out of nowhere, didn't even know what it was, had no clue. Thought it was something dude from Red Bull did. And then a dude showed up at my house with a Z125 one day. I was all stunned out to go for a cruise with me and a good like childhood friend. And I was like, what the hell is that little thing, dude? And he busted it out, and um, I kind of did this and kind of got one myself and went from there, and and that was a learning step for me, and I think that was where the the fascination came from. I think that's where a lot of people get the love for stunt running as well, and that's where the podcast kind of changed things for me and opened my eyes to a whole new outlet of things that I had no idea about. Um, like even this whole setup is incredible. I'd I have known nothing about any of it, but it's so cool to learn it.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

It's a totally different niche. Take me back to that day that you said was kind of like the aha moment when you was it when you first saw a wheelie, or was it when you first learned how to ride a motorcycle?

SPEAKER_00 7:50

Um, so I've been riding a motorcycle, I've had a Harley since I was 17. I started starting riding at about 20. Yeah, dot 20. Um I got my first Harley Davidson by a family friend who passed like from cancer who we used to hang out all the time. Um, he's dead now, so I can openly say it. We used to smoke a lot of pot together. And because he had he was on desk doorstep, and so he was good friends with my mother, who's a medical patient as well. She got a chronic illness. Um, shout out my mom, she's the strongest lady I ever met. But uh, they were good friends, they hung out all the time, and like they go to dispensaries and stuff together. Well, me and him became buddies, and when he passed away, he left it for me in his will. So I got a essentially brand new 2016 Street 750 given to me, and that was my daily rider for three years. I put 30,000 miles on it, just smashed miles around. And then like I had a buddy come by one day, and I'd already been cruising with my buddy Noah, but a kid named Daniel showed up. His name is Daniel Davis. Um, he rode for a bit. Honestly, he was kind of one of those students who was wasting talent too, because he was naturally really good at it and kind of just stopped, started a business and kind of did his own thing. But he showed up to my house and I watched him double backpeg a wheelie, and I had never seen that before.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

Was it a sport bike?

SPEAKER_00 9:03

No, it was a Z-125. And I was like, I don't know what that little thing is, but it's pretty cool. And then he took me on a Friday night fun ride. And I seen who are now all my friends. 2020.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

Uh like it was like January or something, or uh February 2020. So during COVID. During COVID, it was like streets were empty. The only dudes who are riding were dudes who are riding. Like if you're really a rider, you rode. And so that was like uh I remember I kind of uh bopped around. I hit the first Friday night ride and I it got like swarmed in by cops. And I actually watched um Limiter Larson and uh gentlemen named Cash like smack into each other, like run like we were kind of getting swarmed in and they just kind of smacked into each other. And it's crazy because now they're all like my good friends, but going on that ride like changed everything for me because I'd never seen a Harley do a wheelie before. And I was like, I want to do that, but I don't want to ruin a nice bike. So I bought one of those Z. And then it took me 10 months of looping out before I caught the back break. I was actually drunk at a party, like a house party, and I was outside just chilling and by myself catching wheelies, and I felt the back break, and we're just like yelling like a little kid.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

Because you're like, I got it now.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

It clicked.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Yep, I had that clicking moment too.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

Click, changed my whole game.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

You're like, I got this.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Yeah, it's actually pretty funny because uh later on in life, the the buddy who ended up like trying to catch footage of me that night started stunt riding probably three years later, and so it all came full circle. Like, uh shout out Jordan's Instagram, send it JG, he's got a Super Moto 250, and it kind of came full circle. Now, bro stunt rides, he catches blocks, all the boys, he's outside all the time. But he was filming me outside a house party when I before I even caught the break ever. And then I did that night, and it changed everything for me. And I think 30 minutes a day for the next two months I spent making sure I caught the back break.

SPEAKER_02 11:08

You know what's crazy is like everyone goes to that that time period where you're just looping out constantly. Constantly. I've seen pe people posting on Facebook like, um, how many times do I have to loop out before I learn balance point? It's like fucking however many times it takes.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

So many. I'd um right after the Sunday lot day for beat after beat the heat 2020. Uh I was at, did you ever were did you ever get the chance to ride the North Lot? The lot that was way out there. There's always a lot of cruisey footage out there. It was a desert lot. It was the spot. It was super cool. It was back when everybody was all good friends and stuff. It was pretty cool. Um, John's Moto Garage was out there, and I was watching him a lot at the time, and so it's cool. I was like, hell yeah, dude, like that's what's up. Like, and I was everybody was riding there at the uh end, but I kind of separated myself because I was still couldn't wheelie yet. And for some reason, like even to this day, if you notice I ride a lot of knee knockers, for some reason staggered and knee knocker has always been so much easier for me. And I was in my sub cage doing a wheelie on my Z125. Well, still didn't know the back brake. It came back. It actually landed on its wheels and my foot slipped in and caught underneath the license plate bracket, drugged me down the road like 30 feet, or my arm all up. I'm still all scarred from here all the way up because it just drugged me down the street.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

Did anyone see it?

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Yeah, everybody saw it. Luckily, because I landed on top of me and I was stuck all tangled up in the bike and I needed some help. Were you embarrassed as fuck? Oh, super embarrassed. Because this is like your feet are still getting wet. I'm just barely entering the scene at all, like still trying my best, you know, and still still hiding in the background, which don't ever do. Go talk to somebody because that's how you end up getting hurt and then stuck underneath the motorcycle by yourself. Um, I did it a couple times and I wish I would have just been in front of the people who knew what they were doing because they could have given me tips probably faster. And also I wouldn't have had to wait and look for help because it happened twice where I caught myself underneath the bike and got stuck.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

That's the hard part for new people though, because one, you're you're embarrassed to suck in front of all these people. But to be honest, when you see someone that is doing like power wheelies or think they're like really good, when I don't know, it's like a weird um it's it's you know what I'm talking about? Like it's it's it's weird because you want them to be comfortable enough to learn in front of you, but they need to also respect the lot and and find their way first and and not put other people in danger. But I don't even know what advice, what advice would you give to someone that's just coming to law, they want to learn, they're not there yet. They're still two feet off the ground or power chasing power wheelies.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Power wheelies are never the answer. Uh I had an old dude who that's how he grew up. He was from Florida back way back when it's uh it's actually his house party that I caught the wheelie in front of the first time because he used to try to give me advice all the time. I always thought he was crazy, but now that I know how to start ride, actually, I was like, man, you actually weren't far off on some of your advice. But he told me slow wheelies are the best wheelies. And so the best advice I can give you to that is if you even feel like it's gonna chase out, put it down. Because you're not gonna put yourself in danger, you're not gonna put somebody else in danger, you're not gonna potentially risk your motorcycle getting damaged. Uh, you see it far too often. I know you've seen a whole bunch. I personally saw it a ton at Amazon. People come to Power Wheelie, at times there's curbs next to us, and you're going pretty quick now once you land that power wheel. Even on a Harley Davidson, you're still cruising 4550. If you're going towards a curve, it's not going to be easy to get away from that thing. And so I've seen a lot of people ruin nice bikes by you doing power wheelies instead of just putting it down. Or it's like it seems people are always hoping they're going to catch that photo moment, but that photo moment is earned.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

Yeah, absolutely. I would I always tell people to tap their brake and just bring it down because you need to practice your brake before you're to balance point. There's no point in getting to balance point when you don't know your brake yet, you're just gonna loop out. So instead of chasing your wheelie, just tap your brake and bring it down before it's hits, you know.

SPEAKER_00 15:19

I've given advice a whole bunch myself too. And that's uh that's actually what taught me a whole lot as well is keep putting picking it up and forcing myself to come down.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Because then I knew if I could do that, it's a good, there's a slight chance that when it gets that lightweight feeling, I might be able to save it.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

Yep, exactly. It's kind of like um, so this is what I think uh I try to give people analogies when they're learning how to scent ride. When you go to the lot and you're trying to pretend like you know how to wheelie, everyone around you that knows how to wheelie knows you don't know how to wheelie. So quit trying to pretend in the same way you would go to the gym and try to lift heavier than you can lift. Everyone that actually works out every single day knows you can't lift that much. So just lower the weight.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

No, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Is that a good is that a good and and get better form because then then the people around you that are you know go to the gym every day have more respect for you. So that's the way I put it.

SPEAKER_00 16:14

I think that makes perfect sense. Um I then it's a it's a very good analogy in the aspect of like I mean you see that in the street. I think the the street rides the biggest telltale is of all of them because people get real confident seeing other people. And that's where I think that like the photo moment comes from. Like the statement of me making that is like you're you're jumping for it and hoping that someone's gonna catch a flick and like dang, that's that wheelie. Or dude can actually wheelie. Well, it's like, you know what, dude, put some time in because you're probably not far off, but you're also getting real sketchy real quick, so you might want to take a breather.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

When was the first time you were featured on like a video on YouTube or some shit where you're like, I finally fucking made it?

SPEAKER_00 16:56

Honestly, I think um Beat the Heat 23, don't hold me to it, 23. It was a Brian 66 video. I was like the first dude. It was like first clip, and it's like me cracking up my sporty, and he's like, hell yeah. And I was like, dude, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

Like, that's me.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Like I did that. And honestly, uh well, a big one for me was Bruce. He rolled up and he got a tech tip from me. And that might have been not my first time on video or on YouTube or anything, but it was like the first time I've been like interviewed and asked my opinion on something, and I was like, dude, that's what's up. Like that's cool. That felt I felt like I earned something and it felt good. I was like, heck yeah, like there's recognition here. It's not, it's not just the it's not just that photo moment. This is like someone who came up to me and and asked me my opinion on something and felt comfortable enough that I knew the answer and I appreciated that.

SPEAKER_02 17:48

That's right, dude. So where do you think you're at in your your stunt writing career?

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Man, I don't know. I like to think I'm doing pretty alright. I got a pretty good following, I got a pretty good uh set of sponsors, but I personally think I need to level up. I think I'm the one who's lacking, honestly. And the whole aspect of everything, I'd um in the ride the career itself, I'd I've been lucky enough to do damn near every competition out there and maybe not get first place, but at least placed and had a damn good time doing it, met a lot of amazing people. Like I said, got a lot of great sponsors. I think it's time for me to sit down and kind of level up myself a little bit. Uh get a little broader range of tricks, maybe. Uh I just tend to do the this thing in my head where I'd start just having fun. If I start stressing out about it too much, I just start having fun. And I should take it a little more serious, I suppose. But I also just love riding my motorcycle with my friends.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

When you say level up, you mean by your skills?

SPEAKER_00 18:49

My skills.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

Skills.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Um, I can drift all day. It's not a problem for me. I can do a lot of things drifting. Um, I take a lot of notes from a lot of people that I'm very lucky to be around. I just think I'm my wheelie game, I broke my foot last year, I looped up my bagger, and I was kind of progressing pretty alright then. Like that was the last time I did a hand drag was bike week last year, and I haven't yet to do a hand drag since. I can still take like my throttle hand off and stuff, but if you saw me ride a mini and you saw me ride a big bike, you'd be like, damn, this guy's kind of lacking, because I could really tear a mini down. I can float no hands for a real long time, damn near do every check I want to do on a mini bike, but I might Harley Davidson kind of lacking on.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

So it's really hard to be well-rounded. It takes a lot, a lot of time.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

And I think that's where I mentioned earlier, like uh I don't I don't ever get jealous of my friends. I'm very proud of all my people. I think it's it's it's dude, you're killing it. People I take a lot of notes from myself that I I I am inspired by, man, one of them big time is Danny Quick. Danny Quick, man, we've been riding together since the beginning. We pretty much started at the same time. We were doing a lot of the same tricks together, and then dude, the guy blew me out of the water. There's things that I can do better, but there's things that like I look at him and I'm like, dude, I I want to do that. You're an animal, man. You're an absolute killer. I personally want to be on that same level, and so I need to step my game up a little bit, especially because dudes want to help me too. So I need to fucking put my time in and earn my keep as well.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

So they keep giving your advice.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

I was like, there's no hope.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Yeah, I need to, I need to figure something out, but I just have a great time. Uh I did the brawl in San Diego. That was the last competition I did.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

How'd that go?

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Honestly, fantastic. I rode pretty good. I was very happy with all my runs. I never put the bike down. I didn't hit no judges this time or nothing. I didn't hit anybody, so that was cool. Um, I was very proud. But the only thing I really would like to do better is I'd like the wheelie better. So here in the next week and week or two, before in Washington, I'm really gonna put some time in and try to make something happen. I just broke a bike a few days ago, so I gotta fix some things. But um my wheelie game is what I'd like to step up personally, and I think and other than that, I'd I'd like to work on getting some some more sponsors as well. Um, I'm very bad about reaching out. I really like things being earned. But I'm also to a point now where I think I might have to start reaching out because maybe I've earned it and maybe I'm just not seen.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Um I think that's where a lot of people excel.

SPEAKER_02 21:23

Where do you th what do you think it means to earn a sponsor?

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Um, dude, it's it's a lot of time. A lot of people jump in the scene, get real good, and um I'm not saying they don't earn it, but I and I'm not saying they even like I think people want sponsors so bad. It's almost like the skateboarding fads back in the day. I'd I skated, so uh I don't know if you were ever in a scene of that sort, but it's always like everybody always wants to be sponsored. That's always like the end goal. Like to say you're sponsored in the ad scene's like you're hot shit. I think I think stunt writing's a lot of the same way, and so a lot of people really want to be sponsored and will take anything from. For something for nothing. And I'm just not that guy. I've been very lucky that everybody who does take care of me, all of my sponsors, I don't have a I have a discount code, but it's for you to buy, it's not for me to buy. And um I hope that doesn't sound entitled by any means, but I just I believe if sponsors are certain thing, and I don't want to sell myself short for a 30% off code.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Um if we're gonna work together, I'd love to work together. I would love to put on for you and you put on for me. Uh companies like Squirrel and Performance, man, they've taken fantastic care of me. The second they they offer me a pipe, they got me a pipe within days. If there's any if I've ever had an issue with anything, they've immediately taken care of it. In the next week or two, too, they're bringing me a brand new pipe. That's a that's and I've obviously sold pipes to them. I have a discount code to them if anybody would like to purchase one. It's something that I and it goes both ways. It's like you scratch my back, I scratch yours, and if you think I'm worth it, I'd love to be a part of it.

SPEAKER_02 23:01

I think it's like actually not a sponsorship, it's more like a partnership. 100%. And those are the only relationships I even enjoy. Like, I don't like just being handed something and like see you later. Like, let's let's talk about how we can help each other out and grow together versus like, oh, here's a check or here's you know a pipe, see you later, and you don't even know the person behind the brand.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

I can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Yeah, it's horrible.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

I'm blessed to say that everybody I work with I can call right now. I can call them as a friend, I can call them as a family member. Um, a lot of people I take a lot of great advice from. I ride for a shop out here called Full Circle Industries, the gentleman Nick, one of the most solid dudes of them under the sun. I can call that dude crying, tell him I'm dealing with the worst part of my life and I need to need a homie and he'd be there for me. I think the biggest thing is it's it's deeper than a sponsorship, it's a relationship.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

No, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

And I also I won't ride for anybody I don't believe in. I'll never sell myself short for anything just because it there's maybe it's a big name, but if I don't believe in that name, I'm not gonna ride for him. Yeah, that would be silly of me, that'd be fake of me. That's just not how I personally roll. Um, I everybody I work with, I enjoy working with, I have a lot of fun with. It's Jeff from Sutless Club South is one of my best friends under the sun, too. Takes straight care of me. Also tells me all the time how much he appreciates everything I do for him. We have agreements beyond obviously what everybody can see. And I as long as I take care of my part, he definitely takes care of his, and that's all we need to have, really. It's just it's a smooth relationship.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

Absolutely, dude. I'm glad you you can see that at this stage of your career because a lot of people get taken advantage of for a long time because they don't understand that it's a give and take. It's just they ask for so much over and over and over, and you're like, dude, I got a pipe four years ago. Like, hook me up, my shit's looking like shit. Yeah, I can't even make content around it because it's it looks like so beat up, you know? So, you know, I really do think it's all relationships.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

It's the biggest factor, I think, and it I love seeing people like uh like Savage Powerhouse, Ravi and Ravi takes good care of Travis and Cyrus, and you see them ride for him over and over again. Everything they wear is Savage Powerhouse. They do anything under the sun, it's Savage Powerhouse. I love seeing stuff like that. I love seeing dudes who are proud of what they're doing. Because you do see people sometimes and they're not tagging certain people, and they're still getting hooked up by them, but they're not putting on for them. And I do think it's also a hand-in-hand thing. You still got to do your part too. You know, we do a lot of things, and there's a lot of events out there you can definitely try to make it to. And some people I think just stick to posting on Instagram and don't realize that showing face, I think, means more than anything. Showing face has gotten me everything I've ever been given, honestly. Uh it's none of none of it's been Instagram, it's all been face-to-face, talking, having a conversation, getting to know somebody genuinely. And if you offer me a gig and I think it's reasonable, we talk about it. Uh I party a lot, no doubt. If you know me, you know, I like to have a good time, but I also don't do business deals under any sort of intoxication. And so, like, we'll talk and I will come back to you in a few days. A lot of things get done over after parties or big events, and we're already drinking. I don't do business then, but I will 100% do business after.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

And I also think that builds a good relationship too, because you're telling me if I know you come back to me and I or I hit you up and you still make it happen, that wasn't just drunk talk. Now I really gonna work.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

It's fucking weird because it's kind of like dating or something.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

It is.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

It is. It's like when you're trying to make a new friend. It's fucking awkward at first, but you gotta maintain the relationship and and see how you guys can help each other.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

Honestly, I hate the sponsorship side of shit. Fucking sucks.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Yeah, I hated being under contract.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Right now I'm not under like any sort of necessary contract, so I'm I'm if I needed to make a move, I could, but I'm pretty sad, I'm pretty lucky.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

Honestly, the contract is a good like guideline though, because then you don't feel like at least you're you're aligned where as if if one company if the company thinks I'm gonna sponsor them and they don't say out loud that I want two reels a month, so you don't make shit for them because you're thinking, well, I'm just repres representing it on my bike, they didn't really give me money, I'm just rep putting it on my bike, then they're pissed off and they won't give you a pipe, and now you're bitter because they won't give you a new pipe. And you're like, it's just a weird whereas if you can just come together and come up with a contract, even if it changes, at least you have a baseline of like, okay, all they want is two reels a month. I got you.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

Yeah, any monetary sponsor, I've always had a contract because I've always been nervous about when people get strange about money. Yeah, and honestly, yeah, me too. Like, at least I can hold myself accountable as well.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

Um, it's that's a whole different game. It's a whole different game. That was a pretty wicked one, too. Is like that's when I always felt like I was doing something, honestly, or like things are kind of changing for me, was like when money got involved. And I'm very lucky that things are I'm st I'm still doing all right without having anything in complete paperwork at the moment. Um, I hate to spill too much of my own beans, honestly. Absolutely. It's unprofessional. Um yeah, exactly. But uh I uh I'm very lucky and very blessed to have the people I work with because I if something were to happen, I could bail. But I do think if you're ever gonna do a deal where there's a lot of money on the line, you definitely have something in writing, and that's where I personally have. Um I and like you said, it's easy to hold yourself accountable. Uh I think I'm just kind of spaced on where I was going.

SPEAKER_02 28:45

How do you think it how do you think it made it changed things for you?

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Um I mean, sitting down and signing a deal with somebody made me feel like I was like, man, I'm really doing something for reals. Um and I I I'm lucky that there's things still going on in the same guidelines, just I'm I don't have anything going crazy. Um I I'm sure here shortly there's things are gonna be changing, and that's totally okay too. But they're always for the better. Yeah. Um, everything, like I said, everything I have going on, I'm very happy with. So I think personally for me, it felt like I was really making a step towards an actual career versus I'm a privateer, yes, but now I have something in writing that's making it so I also have to hold my end of the deal. And it kind of changed the game for me, also and how I thought about it, I suppose, too, and thought about posting as well. Because I think even to this day, I still think about it all the time. Like, I need to do this for them because they still do this for me. And since everybody's still holding at the end of their deal, we're still making things happen this day.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

Yeah, that's where I feel like it becomes starts becoming a job.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

It is.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

So people think think it's super sexy to be sponsored, but then they don't realize like you can't just be a dope writer. You have to give something in return for them to make it worth it, you know?

SPEAKER_00 30:02

That's where I think showing faces at an event is the biggest thing.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

Oh, 100%. Because then you could do a story, shout them out, tell them you're gonna tell your fans you're gonna be there, things like that. That's helpful too, you know.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

I think that's the biggest thing is is just people lack showing up so often. Or like even like there's gonna be events where you're not gonna be able to ride at, man, but just go showing up and showing love is gonna mean so much to somebody.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

Oh yeah, you remember every single person that shows up.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

Every time. And you remember the if you remember the people who don't show up.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

The biggest thing is you remember the people who don't show up. The people that don't show up and they still ask for shit. Exactly. Or they want your resources, and you hear it far too often. I think that's in every sponsorship I've ever had, I think that's a complaint from somebody of somebody else's been sponsored. You know what I mean? You always hear it. It's like for me, I I try my best to always show up, so I always get a thank you. And then you always hear the well, I wish some so-and-so show up, or could you believe so-and-so didn't show up? And you're like, damn, like personally, I could believe, but you know, I'd uh I can see why you'd be upset because you know you give, you give, and it's like if we said earlier, it's a give and take kind of situation, but you gotta give still on both ends.

SPEAKER_02 31:12

Yeah, it's not like you you're keeping tit for tat, but fuck man, you you recognize it.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

100%. And I mean, as a rider also I recognize it too. I sometimes and like there's been times where I've been irritated where I'm I'm riding on a team with somebody, or we had the same sponsorship, and I see we're doing events all the time, and you're not showing up, or you're wearing the competitors, like not necessarily competitor, but some people these in this industry does have a little bit of beef, and you're wearing the your sponsors kind of opposition, and to me it's just disrespectful, you know. If you uh have an agreement with somebody, even if it's just like we mentioned earlier, contracts and contracts, but even uh even a man's handshake really goes a long way. And this industry goes a really long way, and as long as you as long as you can hold your end of the deal.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

And you see people shake hands a lot of the time, get one thing, kind of disappear. And I think a big thing in this scene is also looking for the next best thing. Next best thing. And sometimes grass isn't always greener.

SPEAKER_02 32:12

No. It's it's hard to maintain relationships. So I wanted to go back to you. Um you said you've competed in all the competitions, or most of them.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Damn near.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

And I wanted to talk to you about what you think about Stunt Wars.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

I love it. I'm a big fan. You've competed in all of them. All of them. Haven't missed one from here to the East Coast, the Pacific Northwest, Asturgis, we've been to all of them. And I love it.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

Yeah, I wanted to see what you thought about judging. So how has your opinion changed about when you're uh about how you ride when you judge?

SPEAKER_00 32:57

Yeah, because see I I do a lot of the judging for a lot of these the events and um in the sense for my team, Texas Club style. I think it uh I think it plays a big part of how you look at it while you're riding. Like in when I'm riding, I'm like, oh shit, I need to do this, or I need to do that, or damn, my team is lacking this, or like we're all kind of lacking that, and then we go to go back together for second round and be like, yo, kind of messed up. I think the biggest thing in I think uh the choreography is essentially one of the um judging points, and I think that's a great as a team. I think that's a great, great, great thing to judge on because you can go out there and kill it one by one, but since it is a a way like a you have to ride together, it really makes a big difference for points.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

Isn't it crazy how you can see a team and one guy might be really, really good, and the other guys might be good too, but they all don't ride together. They'll like go out and do their own thing, and they're not cohesive or there's no no um unity. You can tell. Every time the chemistry.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Yeah, there's no chemistry. Like you guys are all killers for sure, but you guys have no idea how to ride together.

SPEAKER_02 34:09

Yeah. And and therefore it's not a good performance.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

Ever. As a whole. Or yeah, and I feel like you always see a lot of dropping bikes at that point in time. It's like right then and there when they start trying and they have no idea how to ride together. Some people are pretty talented enough to where they can just make it happen and wing it. Um, I think the ride faster pussy team, most of the time, they're pretty good about it because they always have somebody random at the end. Um, I think for me, I try to, when I make teams, because I'm the one who kind of puts the teams together for my team. I always try to pick dudes I've either ridden with or the dudes that ride together. Um, I always try to pick people because I don't when I don't really have it at a as a point. Well, personally, I guess I can't say me. Me and Southwest Club style, Jeff don't really have the means of bringing everybody everywhere. I'm very lucky that Jeff has taken real good care of me and taking it's taken me pretty much everywhere under the sun. But uh it's kind of hard. I give respect to anybody who's able to travel all around the country and bring the same team. So for me, what I try to do is reach out to dudes who are from that area or and see who rides together and rides together really well.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

That's smart.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

And that's how I look at it is I want dudes who have already ridden together. Sometimes it wasn't, it doesn't always work out, but most times it even though we haven't done the greatest, it always seems like it's doing all right. And at least everybody's always happy when we're going in. It's never a big question of what we're gonna do. It's a matter of, okay, let's go out there and make it happen. They're not like, hey, what's up? Nice to meet you. It's like, okay, you two, maybe not knowing me and my boy too well, but I know me and that dude are pretty good, and you and this dude are good together. So together we could probably make a pretty alright team.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

Yeah, you guys are good at wheelies. You guys come in, launch the wheelies, we'll come back and do the drifting part. You gotta organize it in in a a way that it's entertaining.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

I 100% think so. I think that's why uh the the 603 boys out from the East Coast. Oh, the vertical boys, vertical boys. That's why I really think they succeed in this game because man, they're so well choreographed. They've all ridden together, they've all been together for 15 years now.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

Um, shout out Joey Banner's, uh Nick, and uh Corey. Those dudes are all super rad dudes, and they're so well rounded together. They put on a fantastic show.

SPEAKER_02 36:29

Oh, I know. They do the across, they got the handbrakes, they do the footbreak shit, they do burnouts, they got everything.

SPEAKER_00 36:35

Like they're they're awesome to watch. It's genuinely like it's entertaining, and I think that's why they do so well in this game. Um, so yeah, so yes to go back on to hear what your question was. I do believe the judging is fantastic. I love the idea behind it. I like that we have to judge each other, it makes it pretty fair. Um, it's kind of hard. You're not gonna sit there and be like, I want this guy to beat me. So you're gonna just try to be all you're just gonna be honest every time.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

Yeah. Well, we had an issue last event where a team got judged really low. Like um, one team was judging very low. I'm talking like low. Oh, it's just like it was just like, okay, that's not when we're looking at it, it's obvious. Like we it was just extremely low. And so we're considering trying to figure out a way to fix like extreme judging both ways, like dick writing and haters. You know, so like we were thinking about removing the top score and the lowest score of each run. So like let's say Southwest Club style goes out there and they get a three, but they also get a 30. Remove the 30 and remove the three, and then use the the remaining.

SPEAKER_00 37:46

That could be reasonable just to make it so it's like there's no chance of it being overdone or underdone, I suppose, at the sense of points.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

Yeah, I just I that's the only thing that I could think of because it's it's crazy when you're working on the competition side of things you don't know until shit happens and you're like, oh fuck, I didn't even think about that. What if someone just judges low? Now they have an unfair advantage because when they're riding, there's no team judging low for them.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

You know?

SPEAKER_00 38:18

So they're kind of getting dogged in their score just because somebody to one team gave them absolutely a horrible score.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

Yeah, so now they're getting a higher score because they're the ones that were scoring low and they're the ones riding.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

Oh, you get what I'm saying? I would I'll get what you're saying. Now that makes sense, man.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

Yeah, so we have to figure I think we might have to remove the lowest score and the highest score.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Man, that's actually that's something to think about for sure. I bet you guys have to sit there and think about that one for a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

Uh yeah, it's it's a lot of thought, and I it's shit that I didn't even consider, and it's just coming up as we go. So we added a category because we spoke with the team and we're like, what why was it so low? Well, they kept dropping their bike, and there's nowhere to deduct points from if they keep dropping their bike.

SPEAKER_00 39:03

That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

And that is fair. And so we're like, okay, then we need to make a category. So we added a category just so you know. Um, we added control.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

Oh man. So good luck, Sammy.

SPEAKER_02 39:15

You're fucked.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

Hey, I've been pretty good about it the last couple times, except well, since Metro Mayhem, my last lot days, I've been pretty good about dropping my bike.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

So Oh my god, dude. You scared me at Metro Mayhem.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Uh it was all looking real good. My brawl run was real good, and I was doing real good my first round until uh my tire was real low and it was a Shinko 777. And when it got hot, it kind of caught. I went for a switch back and I switched, but I didn't go back. I went right into the judges.

SPEAKER_02 39:45

So, to be fair, like there were so many people wrecking on that lot. That was a horrible. They're terrible.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

It's it's always been a horrible lot. It was a horrible lot last year, it's a terrible lot this year.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

Yeah, I I I don't know about that lot. Again, just too many people got fucking hurt.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

I mean, yeah, I'd watch somebody go straight through a fence. I went through a fence.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

Ange broke her foot.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

Travis almost broke his foot, hurt. Tore herself. Yeah, I forgot their sweet book. That didn't even think about it. This lock book got broke off.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

People got fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 40:16

Yeah, and then when you ran into the judges, I was standing behind the judges, yeah, and my friend got pushed by the judges, and she I swear, maybe I'm ex over exaggerating in my head, but she both her legs and arms were like flying in the air like this, and then her back hit our table. Oh, and pushed the table outside of the outside of the damn tent. And I was standing next to her, like arms reach away from her with my baby, and I'm like, fucking Sammy, I'm gonna kill damn it.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

Yeah, that's not a good look at all.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

That's okay. But no, you know what I learned from that is we have to um put the judges behind two barriers, they can't be between them. Yeah, we'll have the two two barriers.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

Yeah, sorry I had to make a structure change because I smacked the judges.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

That's okay. You live and learn, but it's it's a fucking journey.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

It's funny, I got a lot of compliments off that just for how fast I got my bike up. Somebody like sent me the video and they're like, dude, but do you see you rip the bike away from it? And do you even see Bruce in the video? I yank it and you watch his eyes go like because it was like adrenaline was just kicked in. I was like, I felt so bad. I was like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

You didn't get fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 41:27

No, I was oh wait, no, yeah, my leg got fucked up, but that's is what it is. I was more worried about everybody else. Yeah, I'd hit that one dude. Um, he's from Florida, real tatted up, super cool dude.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

Bird man bird gangs.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

Yes, bird gang stunts. I smacked him real hard. He's like, Man, I hope you got good insurance. I was like, dude, I don't, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

I at least it's the judges and not like some kid in the crowd or some.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

Oh, dude, I probably would have cried. If I'd heard a little kid or a lady, I'd have probably cried.

SPEAKER_02 41:53

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

Some random drunk dude, all right. Sorry, dude. But like, if I'd have hit a kid or a woman, I'd felt real bad.

SPEAKER_02 41:59

Fuck that that's the thing. People don't realize how dangerous stunt writing is to be around.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

There's times at the lot where I'll do I'll be running with my kids away from someone coming towards us, and all these other moms are just standing there thinking I'm like crazy. I'm like, I'm running because I know that there's a possibility that this motherfucker can and and I've been watching him, and he's sketchy as fuck.

SPEAKER_00 42:23

So, anyways, I did it on stunt rides. I'm like, I see this getting wobbly. I'm like, you know what, dude? I'm gonna go ahead and back it up, break it away, or like let the homie know too. Hey, bro, we gotta steer clear of that dude. Yep. Um, yeah, I think for me it this sounds absolutely horrible to say, but I've hit a few people now. And like bowling pins? Yeah, like bowling pins. Uh shout out to Austin Cruz, man. I took my boy out. We uh it was the Halloween mini ride like two years ago, I think. My carburetor kind of fell off, but there's a bunch of people partying at the lot, and my truck was parked there with my Harley in the back. I had an old throwaway tire on the back. Did not know my tire went flat. I had a few beers, we were on a close course, I loaded the pit bike up, I pulled the Harley out. And I actually wasn't going to, but it was actually him. It's crazy because it was him dogging me. Pull it out, quit being a pussy, pull it out. Alright, man. Pull it out, cranked it up. I have a video too. I got two angles, too. It's messed up. Um I swing, I'll I'll send it to you if you want to put it in. Uh I'm swinging, and you see it, it like it's actually the same thing that happened at Snutwars. I'm swinging and I get like one full layer in, and then it hooks, and it dead hooks straight into him. And you watch his legs lift off the ground, he smacked his head on the ground real hard. It's my first time ever hitting somebody, and my foot peg went through my leg. And I had like one of those moto pegs, and a lot. People have never thought about this. I never thought about this. Uh, it chunked my leg horribly bad. I mean, took like a nasty large chunk. I have like a smiley face you right here where it chunked me real bad. I'd go get 10 stitches in my leg. Holy fuck. Excuse me. Cause it immediately I'm I'm pretty bad about blood. It was like right next to an artery and it was squirting blood out of my leg.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

Holy shit. And I was so worried about him.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

Yeah. I was so worried about him that I just rushed to him and I'm like, dude, are you okay? I'm so sorry. Like, I'm so sorry. And as I'm saying that, um, my homegirl Bailey is like, Sammy, you should look at your leg, dude. You're squirting blood. And I look down and I'm just pouring blood. Like the most blood I've ever seen, like in one time, real fast coming out of myself. And I'm like, oh, geez, and I faint from blood. My own blood, I faint real fast. I've actually cracked my head open from it too. I had 10 stables in the back of my head, too. If I were to go bald, you'd see fucking a huge one.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

So you fainted when you saw your own.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

No, I didn't. Luckily, uh, shout out Shane Pollard. All I hear is hook him, hook him. And so somebody hooked me by my neck and dropped me. And then they tourniqueted me at the lot. They took me in my truck, bugged me to the hospital real quick. He had a buddy follow him in his truck so get a ride home. They took me to the hospital with my truck, so when I got out, I could leave.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

Was that your worst worst wreck?

SPEAKER_00 45:21

No.

SPEAKER_02 45:22

What was your work worst wreck?

SPEAKER_00 45:24

Wheeling my bagger. I had my bagger for three years before I ever put it in there. And I just redone the front end. I did uh I did uh what it used to be called driftercross out in Willow Springs. I rode that event and the ignition went bad. I didn't ride the bike for like nine months. I did some hoopty ghetto wiring and figured out my ignition was bad, hardwired it, and then I got to ride my bike again. I was pumped. And I was having a bad day. I had a somebody I was working for at the time, I really wasn't pumped. And I left my ex-girlfriend's house, and I went to like half-assed wheelie and it picked up, and I was like, hold the fuck on. I've had this bike for years, tried to wheelie it a million times, put a step plate on it, and the only thing I could ever do is seat standards on it, and they scared the shit out of me. My bike makes a lot of power. I was scared. It's got a big S and S motor in it, I was real terrified of it. Finally got the bike up, and I was like, What? So for the next like week straight, I'm just everywhere I go cracking bagger wheelies. Whoa. It was May 31st, 2025, last year. May 21st. Actually, no, May 26th. It's my homegirl dad's birthday. We're all having a good time. Probably should have parked the bike. Um everybody wanted to ride minibikes, and I didn't have my minibike with me, and I was like, well, I'll follow you guys. This is on my bagger. I'm just cracking bagger leaves behind everybody having a good time. We go to one of our lots, and there's a big manhole right at the end of the lot. And you can see in the video, I'm doing good. I'm doing real good. And then I hit the manhole. As you can see, I'm not a very large fella, you know, and then my foot fell right off the break. And I remember my this is exactly how it went down. I remember my foot going flat on the foot floorboard, and I remember thinking, buddy, you're going for a ride. And I went for a ride. I went to try to push it out like a pit bike. Like when you know you're gonna loop out of mini bike, I didn't you always kind of like throw it away from you, I feel like. At least if you're smart, you do. Well, I went for it real hard, but it pancaked me right under my foot and smushed me, broke my foot in seven places, fractured my ankle. I had to get two pins in my foot. So I did stunt words last year in Pacific or Northwest Bike Week, and I had two pins sticking out of my foot while I did that whole event.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

Yeah, how how shortly after was that?

SPEAKER_00 47:46

I mean, so that was June 30th, that was a month after.

SPEAKER_02 47:49

And you're fucking competing.

SPEAKER_00 47:51

And I was competing.

SPEAKER_02 47:52

You're crazy, dude.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

I actually had somebody who was supposed to take my place and they kind of bailed last second, and so I kind of just told dude straight up, like, I'll go out there and do my best, man. And I went out there and did my best. And I think it was a good thing I did because I got a lot of good recognition from that. Sounds silly, but going out there and Danny breaking myself off did me pretty good because a lot of people were like, damn, that guy's fucking nuts.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

And killing it.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

Yeah, like I did the I did pretty alright for a dude who had two pins out of his leg.

SPEAKER_02 48:20

Oh yeah, dude. So you never felt like quitting after a wreck?

SPEAKER_00 48:24

No. Not once. Maybe for like 30 seconds. Like I was like, damn, do I really want to do this? Because I'm gonna be out of work. I was out of work for six months. Yeah. Um shout out my girl at the time, dude. We're we're no longer together. But man, that lady took real good care of me, saved my ass, fucking really took, really took care of my ass because I would have been screwed sitting at home, my mama's house, fucking had mom take care of me. And luckily the lady I was with at the time took real good care of me and kind of nursed me back into health. And then I was able to get a job pretty quick for a dude with a bad leg. So I was only down probably three months before I got a job again, and I was working with the splint still with the uh a knee scooter, and I was mixing buckets for an epoxy floor company. Just trying to make it by.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

Well, you weren't really taking it easy when you're supposed to be healing.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

I mean, it's funny because you say that, but I when I went back to my surgeon, which is three weeks after, he said, Man, you healed great. He's like, dude, I don't know what you've been up to, but you've been doing pretty good. I go, You want to see for real? Did you? Yeah, and I showed him pictures and he's like, What the fuck is wrong with you, dude? Fucking piece of shit. Yeah, I said the only thing I did was one of my pins, because one was sticking out of the bottom of my toe, was like that long, and the one was sticking directly into my toe that was like this long, and the one that was like this long, so I pushed in a little bit farther. Oh, you from lighting. No, yeah, yeah. Well, no, I know exactly when I did it. No, I know exactly when I did it on accident. I know I can think of what had happened. I know when I did when I did it. We were leaving the uh after party at Northwest Bike Week. I was riding Dax's Sportster because that was my way around town because I could I was easier to ride my Dinah, so I'd have him ride my Donna and I'd ride his Sportster. Well, some lady dropped her bike right in front of me, and I was on a hill that has like a decline on the left side. The second she dropped it, I dropped it, and I sat there and oh my goodness. I remember screaming. I was like, Help! And there's dude just walking by me. I'm like, Help! And then uh the owner of Delacruz husband, I can't think of his name. Dude, yeah, super great dude. He came from like the distance, sprinted up, grabbed my grabbed the bike off me, and was like, dude, are you okay? And I'm like, Yes, I am, but just barely, you're a lifesaver.

SPEAKER_02 50:44

You're chirping, dude.

SPEAKER_00 50:46

Yeah, but all in all, he said I healed as best as I could have. It's funny, he told me that I if I didn't do surgery, I'd have a marble, I'd feel like I'd walk into marble for the rest of my life. And I can tell you right now, it still feels like I'm walking on a marble every single day. Nope. Yeah, I can't move my my fourth toe, I can't move. I snapped it directly in half, and it was almost compound at the bottom of my foot. And so it was just pointed completely down. Damn. And I that one actually messed me up really bad because I had some, it was a crush wound. I ruined all the veins, tendons, and nerves of my foot. So it wasn't getting blood flow properly at all. And whoever the lady did my splint the first time did it really, really tight, like you're supposed to, except my foot blistered, blood blistered on both sides. Incredibly bad. And the gauze got stuck to it, and the second lady who did it was like an assistant or something. And I can remember this vividly because I remember thinking while she was doing it, like, man, what are you doing? And there's like still gauze in the back of my heel, and she left it, and it like melted to my skin.

SPEAKER_02 51:46

That's sick.

SPEAKER_00 51:47

Yeah, it was fucked up. So my foot looks like something out of a horror film.

SPEAKER_02 51:51

Still?

SPEAKER_00 51:51

Yeah, I take my foot out, and it's like it's all scarred on both sides, all fucked up. My toes are all crooked as hell. Fucked up. Yeah, dude, it fucked me up, dude. Fucked me up. I'll never be a foot model, dude. They'd be like, dude, what happened to you, bro? You put that shit in the mangler. Like, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 52:07

Oh shit. So where do you go from here? Are you gonna what do you what is the next step with your stunt career?

SPEAKER_00 52:14

Oh man, I think I pick my skills up a little bit. I keep doing what I'm doing. I'd like to see myself do better. I'd really like to see myself top five with the brawl. I'd really like to see my team meet top three in Sun Wars. I think I owe it to Jeff to kind of step my step my game up a little bit. I think I've honestly picked up some killer teams, and sometimes I've been the one to shit the bed. Um, and it sucks to say that, but like I can be genuinely honest and say that sometimes I'm at fault. Uh, I could have done better. And I that's my biggest thing, is I'd like to do better so that way I can do better.

SPEAKER_02 52:45

Um Do you get nervous when you go out there?

SPEAKER_00 52:49

I do trick wise, but that's my flaw when it comes to stunt wars, is if you ever see me ride by myself, I I'm put on a pretty good show. But when I ride with teams or ride with other people there, I get either caught up in what they're doing, and I get that's where I get nervous. It's like unfortunately, I have hit people, people have hit me. It happens in this game. I've been smacked by a few people, I've smacked a few people. I get nervous about that. I don't ever want to hurt anybody else.

SPEAKER_01 53:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:22

Like, I think I'd I care a lot. I don't want none of my friends to get hurt. I don't want to damage nobody else's bike. Unfortunately, in the past, I've made mistakes to where I have, but I don't want to do it again. And I think that's my biggest flaw personally, is yeah, that's where I get nervous. Have you seen uh Blake's edit of or not Blake's edit, it was Jake's edit of me riding the Cave Creek Snow Wars. You see, right before I like look, smile at the crowd, it's like, damn, it's a badass drift. And then I look forward, and that's when uh T Riggs, Tyler Riggs, shout out Tyler, uh is riding towards me. And I save it from hitting him because if we hit each other, it'd been catastrophic.

SPEAKER_02 54:02

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:03

Luckily, I caught it and I slid, slid, slid, slid slid until it launched me, but I'd rather take launching me at any of the week than I was hitting each other. But that's also kind of messed me up since then. I'd I was nervous about that Daytona real bad. I was nervous about it at Metro Mayhem real bad, and I kind of got out of my own head on that one. Uh so I guess to answer yes, I do get nervous.

SPEAKER_02 54:23

So it takes different skills riding by yourself versus riding in a team. So they it it it doesn't make you more nervous to ride in one or the other.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

No, I love riding by myself. Really? That's strange. Sounds so egotistical, but I love putting on a show. I love when I can go out there and do my own thing. I see everybody's looking at me, and I know that's when I can do my best.

SPEAKER_02 54:45

That's crazy because the reason why Bruce wanted to start like a team competition is because of how nervous he got competing.

SPEAKER_00 54:53

That's actually, yeah, that's wild. It's crazy that like everybody has a different opinion on it.

SPEAKER_02 54:56

Yeah, and he's like, it's just way more fun riding together.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

It is, but 100%. I love it. That's that's why I mentioned earlier picking people who have already ridden together for teams. Because I, yeah, you might be a killer, but you guys might have terrible chemistry riding together, or your styles might not line up.

SPEAKER_01 55:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

But you pick dudes who are from the same area doing the same stuff. Most of the time their style will be somewhat similar, or they've ridden together to where they have style together or they have chemistry.

SPEAKER_01 55:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:25

Like every time I go up to the Northwest, um I call my good friend Harley because he does a lot of shows up there, does a lot of events up there, he's very consistent, and he's actually a handbrake guy, so it's kind of nice to have in my little bunch, I feel like, because it's different. Some people like the handbrake stuff, some people don't. I think it's coming around a little bit, not my thing entirely, but I'd have love for it too because it does give you a different Rumble tricks. So I have respect for it entirely. Not my thing, but I got respect for it.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

Yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_00 55:55

Um, but I like I try to call him and say, dude, which one of your boys do you want to ride with that we can put in the scene and make something happen together? And most of the time, last year, I actually don't know. I don't think we were able to make it. I think it was just the three of us, me, him, and Dax. And we brought Dax here. Dax isn't on our team no more. He's on team square one, off power tool of him. Square one's our dogs, too, so it's all love there. So I kind of had to make something happen in the sense of I'd I actually put on somebody new on my team from out here, but I tried to always put somebody on, and I feel like it's giving somebody a chance in their own neighborhood. You know, like giving them a stage, giving them a stage in their own spot to show like this is what I do. You guys have already people have already seen them. It also kind of gives them, I feel like, another reason for more people to show up. If that dude's already running shows in the area, he'd be good to have on the in the stunt wars because now all his potential fans are coming to say what's up, they might come by.

SPEAKER_01 56:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:55

That's another reason why I love stunt wars, is you're going from a basic competition where you got 15 people. Well, now you got 15 teams.

SPEAKER_02 57:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

That's I mean, we're doing four people at a time, three people at a time. If you're doing a bare minimum of 10 teams, you got 40 people, then you were talking. I mean, they're gonna bring their girlfriends, their wives, their kids, man, their family might come out, and then it's giving a whole different realm of spectatorship.

SPEAKER_02 57:19

It's weird, like the vibes are different. I don't know if it's just because I'm they're watching it, but I feel like it's like uh okay, this is gonna sound really gay, but I feel like it's magical.

SPEAKER_00 57:32

Yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_02 57:33

Is that is that the word the best word to describe it?

SPEAKER_00 57:36

Or like almost euphoric.

SPEAKER_02 57:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:39

I can see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 57:40

I don't know how to explain it, but it for some reason it is.

SPEAKER_00 57:43

I think the footage is that way too. I actually think all footage from Snut Wars is always like somewhat because there's always something going on the background, too. That's what always like when you get a picture of something, there's always like your buddy or something killing it, doing a donut, or like you're doing a donut, there's a wheelie in the background, and there's like an aura to it that's like all right, like there's some essence here.

SPEAKER_02 58:00

Yeah, and I feel like it's just brings everyone together in the industry and in one spot, you know, and it kind of gives everyone a platform to shine, you know? And I that's what we're our goal is with it, you know, give everyone a platform to shine. Your sponsor, you have a platform to show your sponsors some love, they show you some love by helping you get there. It's just like, I don't know, special.

SPEAKER_00 58:24

It is you're it's a hand-in-hand competition.

SPEAKER_02 58:26

I just don't know how to like if you can give me some advice just from a performer perspective and someone that's in in it and competes in it, like how can we take it to the next level in 2027?

SPEAKER_00 58:40

Man, you guys are doing so good. You guys really are doing so good. The only thing I could possibly think of is we really need to get something going on in the Northeast. Niconia, New Hampshire. It's far as fuck, but there is some absolute talent out there. Some absolute killers, some humble dudes, and I think fuck, I think honestly that's why those dudes excel, even like the 603 boys, dude, they excel because they're nuts and the they the northeast guys are something in the water. I don't know if it's assault up there or what, but some of these dudes are just cutting everything to the struts and just putting it all on the line. And I think if we can figure out something either in the northeast, something closer to like the Midwest area where more people could show up. Um, Daytona was wicked because I think it got a lot of different talent out.

SPEAKER_02 59:33

Yeah, that was cool, and it gets those writers hooked, and now they want to come. It's so cool seeing them in the West Coast.

SPEAKER_00 59:39

Yeah, and then like they all of a sudden we're getting to hang out with dudes, and like after parties are my favorite at that point because now I'm making all sorts of new homies and like we're kicking it. Now we vibe, it's all good.

SPEAKER_02 59:48

So my goal is to take some words to like only big events, only big rallies, and I do want to hit upon Laconia.

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Laconia would be super sick. I think uh um Smoky Mountain would be awesome too. Tennessee. There's a lot of killers out there too, around that area that are like not even known at all, but they're all dope dudes. I think you guys are really on it with everything you're doing, though. If I'm being real, you're making sure like I've been lucky enough to go on a trip with you and kind of see a little bit of the behind the scenes and what goes on, help kind of set up the beginning. One, you guys just have all the credit in the world because let me tell you guys right now, it is not easy doing what they do. That setup in the beginning is absolutely nuts. That whole stunt wars fucking tower structure thing, I'm a bopper dude. That thing is hard to put together. It's annoying to put together, and you gotta have a lot of hands to do it. And and if y'all see if you look at the end, it's always Bruce damn near by himself doing it. I don't know. So props to that big Hawaiian savage or Samoan Savage, sorry, with disrespect. Uh, he's an animal because I watched him just bust ass. And shit, I was a part of busting ass beginning, it ain't no light task, and then there's a lot of thought that goes into it. There's a lot of questions that you guys get that I think are pretty crazy, and you guys make the best of it. It's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:11

It's hard as fuck, but thank you for acknowledging that because some day some days I just don't want to do it anymore. Honestly, that's why there's not that many competitions. It's fucking hard.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:22

It's hard, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:23

It's hard as fuck, and not only that, there's so many different things and aspects that you're thinking of not only the business side of things and how to book these uh venues and all that, but also the money part of it, the sponsor part of it to keep it going and then m managing the money of it all so that you can do the next one, and then on top of that, staffing and it's a nightmare, and media.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:50

Oh my god, media has to be a pain in the ass. I know the audio side of it's a pain in the ass. I personally didn't.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:58

Get me started. It's a nightmare, a nightmare, and then just like how you have issues building your team, it's hard to build a team for something like this, like to get the right players that get along and have chemistry and all the things that you need to make this fucking thing happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:14

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:16

I feel like the like we were saying about the podcast before we start recording, the sim the more complex you make it, the harder it is. Now you got this to fucking worry about, you know, you got that camera to worry about. Now you got this camera to worry about, now you got these lights. Oh fuck, my lights aren't working. Like it just and then your level of expectation is higher too because now you had it and now that your lights aren't working, or you know, now you only have one camera, like now I'm in fucking poverty.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:43

Yeah, throw your mojo on.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, I have this level of expectation, and that's what fucked us up at the roadhouse when they had the ink inked um tower.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:53

Now we're like, we can't go without a tower like that. That was so fucking sick, and it set the vibes, and it was so dope. So we went and got one, and now we're fucked, and now we can't ever go back. No, because it looks so good, it's so sick, and it just sets a vibe, and it's just it's dope.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:09

I don't know where you guys found that thing, but that thing's an absolute nightmare to put it together.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:13

Some rich ass bitch that put her Christmas lights on it. What the hell? Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:18

You know her husband was pumped to get rid of that thing, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:21

He was the one putting it up every year, probably.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:23

Yeah, hell yeah. It's like, get that thing the hell out of here.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:26

Oh man, fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:28

Yeah, I just ran audio recently for uh Jeff. We did the I did the monoculture event, the slideshow. Man, I I always used to give this guy trouble for being stressed. I'm not gonna lie, I kind of gave Jeff a lot of shit. I was like, dude, come on, it can't be that bad. I did it by myself. Sorry, Jeff. My bad, dude. Because that shit is not easy. It's a pain in the ass to get everything to work together. You got five different speakers, all these things going on. You got an audio board, you got a pad you gotta put to the audio board. Like on paper, it you're like looking at it, you're like, oh, this is simple as shit. Then you start doing it, you're like, fuck.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:05

Yeah, and if it doesn't work, what is a plan?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:09

Yeah, exactly. Send somebody's always happy.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

Yeah. What the fuck is the plan?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:14

They were all pretty cool, but like it was a learning curve for me too. I didn't know anything about microphones and things like that. Like, I didn't know that if he didn't have a proper reception or like if there was anything in between the ball and the microphone, there's there might get a bad connection, and now the mic don't work.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:30

Shit, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:30

And that it was a big learning curve for me, also. I'm glad I did it, but it was also like, man, I didn't I had to call the dude and apologize for being a dickhead before because I was like, this is incredible.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:40

Like you're like making it happen, it's no easy task.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:42

Oh yeah, I've gained so much respect for Max from the brawl.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:46

Yeah, hell yeah. Just do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:54

Just ride, you know, like and and yeah, he's shout out to Max. Big shout out to him. He's been doing it for like over a decade now, and he really changed the game.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:06

He set the bar.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:07

Set the bar, and I think there's a a place for everyone to do a competition, and I think that the solo highlighting each solo writer is important.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:18

I do too.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:19

You know, really important.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:20

And it's uh it's also nice, man. Max makes Max Max does a great job. Honestly, I love the guy. He shows a lot of love to me, and I really appreciate it because like I feel like as a uh aspiring Harley writer, that's always the goal. It's like like especially before Stunt Wars is the thing, it was the brawl. Like, man, you know you kind of made it. You know you're that was always a statement. Like, you're you can pretty much say you're when you can say you're professional, you hit the brawl.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

Then you compete in the brawl. Can you really say you're pro? And now it's like, yeah, you know, I mean, I there's no reason not to. It's invitation only, it's been invitation only for a decade now. And he's been doing the damn thing and he He does it pretty well.

unknown 1:06:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:01

So I'm I've been very blessed that I and the I got to be at the very last one last year and that I got reinvited this year. So I've been running the the whole route myself and having fun doing it. So I'll all shout outs to Max and Ride and Destroy because uh I personally have a blast doing it. And I think, like you said, uh while teams are fantastic, it also is cool to highlight the riders as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:23

Yeah, absolutely. It's just different. It is totally different, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:27

Both aspects are so different.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:29

Yep, yeah, it's cool. Um, yeah, and we wanted to do something different so that it brought something different to the scene. We didn't want to like copy Max, you know what I'm saying? But it's it's hard to come up with something.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:43

Yeah, it's it's gotta be. I I uh I just made the comment to Adrian, a gentleman from the East Coast, absolute killer, super humble dude, super sweet guy. Uh I told dude, because he was like, I wish they had something like Born Free out here. I was like, dude, you have a pretty good following and you got a lot of good connections. Try doing something like it. He's like, well, I wouldn't even know how. And in my head, I was like, I don't know what to give you advice on that one. I just kind of threw it out there that you could probably do it if you wanted to, at least a very, very small version. But that's how it started in sure for Born Free too.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:14

Started off with a bike night.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

Started off exactly starting with a bike.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:17

Like what Jeff's doing. Jeff's learning a lot. You learn small, you know, and then you start growing. If we didn't start stunt games, I could not handle what we're doing right now. I learned so much from stunt games and and and coordinating all that shit and booking and all the shit that goes on with that, and then moving it to stunt wars made it so much easier, easier. I could not have jumped straight into stunt wars.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:42

Really? I would have never thought about that like that. That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:45

Yeah, you gotta start small.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:46

Yeah. Well, I mean, it's like anything, you know. If you don't, you it's it's one day or day one.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:51

Yeah, absolutely. And that's what I think I learned from stunt riding too. Same shit. Gotta suck first.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:57

You gotta suck first.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:59

Get on the mini bike first.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:00

Get on the mini bike first. Don't go ruin a nice motorcycle, whether it'd be a sport bike or a Harley. Yeah. You don't gotta go cut up and cutting up a nice 3636 to go learn how to snunt ride. You don't gotta get your tank done immediately and learn how to snunt ride. You could definitely go get a Grom and throw that thing down the freaking road a million times before you take a nice motorcycle and uh ruin a nice bike. Because a lot of times I've seen people I see a lot of dudes, especially the Harley game, kind of catch wheelies, loop out a few times and never come back.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:29

Okay, let's do bike check while we're on that subject.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:33

Oh man. Uh I ride a 99 Dinah. It's uh Bone Stock 88 with the Makuni. Uh I run a race tech front end right now. I run American suspension for the rear. I'm not necessarily happiest with my suspension setup right now. I gotta make some adjustments. I don't know how to tune suspension at all. Anyone knows how? Holler at me. Um I uh I got a chain drive myself. You don't need a chain drive to stunt right a Harley, but a lot of people do. Um I enjoy it because it's you know, I've broken a belt, it kind of leaves you stranded. Once you go chain drive, you snap a chain, you can damn near get a chain or parts for a chain anywhere. That's why I personally run one because I've That's good advice. I've snapped my chain link, I snapped my master link in Sturgis. I went right to JMP Cycles. They had one. If I'd have had a belt, now I'm taking my clutch, my compensator, and my inner primary off and trying to change a belt on the fly. A chain, man, you could have a chain swapped in 10 minutes if you got the chain.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:33

Yeah, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:34

And so that's why a big thing with I think a lot of the big name riders are the dudes who are doing this, doing shows, doing events, competitions, traveling the country. I think a chain is nice to have because there's parts for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:47

I think with anything having parts is a big thing. That's why I see a lot of dudes running a very simple setup for motors and stuff sometimes because it's like you get parts for it. You built the crazy hot rod motor, you're not always gonna have a replacement part where you're at. You got something fairly simple that you can get a replacement part from Harley from, you're back in the game.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:06

But it's not always like that when you got those compression releases and the rest of the nine, some big cubic inch with fancy cams and fancy valve springs, it's that and the other. I would go break something on my bike right now. Doug wrong, I am building my motor here soon. But I'm pretty lucky that right now, if I were to break something, I could damn near go to any bike shop in the country and find something for it. So I think simplicity is a big thing too, sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:28

Yeah, that goes back to what we're saying. The more complicated you make it, the harder it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:32

Every time. That's why it's like kind of been one of the things that's steering me away from the handbrake game. Honestly, I if you go to you mess talk to any handbrake guy at some point in time, there's a bubble in the line or the brackets hard to get on and off. Yeah, it's a lot now. I'm bleeding three calipers in the rear. You're telling me I have five calipers on a Harley Davidson? You got me bit. That's too many. It's too many. I can't even count that high.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:56

It's like, I don't know. You know? So for me, that's I like simplicity. I've been running damn near stock as much as long as I can, except suspension. I'd really like to change my suspension personally. Um, I think I'll probably save my pennies up, give me some RWDs or something here soon. They just made some chrome ones, those are pretty sweet. But uh, yeah, I got a 99 Dinah. I also have an 06 road glide that uh, as I mentioned earlier, I kind of totaled out. It's almost back together though. I have every part I need to do. I just kind of want to set it to paint first because it looks like shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:32

That's the one that you wrecked, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:33

Yep. Uh that thing's pretty sweet. I got Legends in the rear, HD progressive springs in the front, uh just a saddleman, typical basic. Those are actually basic ass T-bars. Oh, sorry. Uh really basic, like LA choppers bars that I got with it because they wouldn't bend or break, honestly. There's no reason to change them until they were done. Probably should have because I maybe would have been more comfortable on my own bike. Um bike setup, I think, is a big thing, and you gotta really you gotta feel at home. And I kind of didn't ever feel at home.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:04

But they worked. Um and then yeah, I looped that thing out, so now I'm going to force movements and thrash and supply bars. It's all gonna be rebuilt. I'd really like to hear soon go buy me a Sly Fox seat because those things seem pretty sweet, or give me a lapera. I really like laperas too. They've been in a game since the 70s, they know seats, so um, I'm not very happy with my saddlemans on either bike. So I think a change is coming here soon.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:28

Why don't you like saddlemen? Just curious.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:30

Um both neither one of my seats stick me in very well. I'm a pretty short guy. I always feel like I was sliding out a lot. I've not really had much to grip onto. I'm not gonna blame my height on that one because there's dudes my size absolutely murdering it. But um I just want to slip out of them. How tall are you? Five foot five.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:48

Five foot five. What do you do to your motorcycles to compensate for your height?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:52

I dropped my trees. I dropped my forks and my trees about an inch.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:57

Um not on my bagger, but on my dina, I did.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:01

What year is your bagger?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:02

Uh oh six.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:03

What do you do with that? Anything?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:05

No. Uh I just didn't plus everybody puts plus two in the front. I just left it factory height. And since I got 14s in the rear, it kind of stink bugs enough where I'm honestly pretty good. Um, I don't know how it's gonna be. Everybody I've ridden with a 21, I kind of struggle a little bit with a bagger. It swings great, so I think at some point in life I probably will go 21, but I'll be putting a 19 on it here when it's once it's rebuilt. And I'm just curious to see. It shouldn't be much of a difference versus a 16, if any at all. But I am curious to see how I'm gonna feel standing on it because I do one of these like side saddle things when I'm at a light and stuff, because it's like a you ever watch a midget ride a dirt bike. I'm doing the same thing. Like I look silly. I figured out a way to kind of look cool still, but it's tough.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:49

Don't lose balance, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:50

Don't lose balance because it sucks to pick that thing up.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:52

Dude, I lost balance um uh in Cave Creek once during bike week. It was so fucking embarrassing. I was on Bruce's old red bat, this one. Yeah, lost balance, dropped it. Of course, all the guys are in front of me, and so everyone took all my friends took off. Oh, and you're just sitting there like I can't lift this fucking thing. Yeah, like that's not happening, but thank god there's some nice people behind us that helped me out. But that's the most embarrassing shit. It's so like I swear I can ride.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:22

I promise, I know what I'm doing here.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:23

Dude, I did a slow race with my new bagger, but not doing that. Yeah, it was after the stunt wars and road at the roadhouse.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:32

Oh, yeah. I was turned up, I was tuned up at that point.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:36

That shit was embarrassing. I can't do slow speeds on that thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:40

Really?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:41

No, I fucking suck. I'm it's so huge.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:44

Is that an 1821?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:46

I I don't even fucking know, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:48

I know you got I know you got the big wheel up front.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:51

Oh, you know what? I think it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:53

Yeah, you got a 21 in the front. I don't know if you got an 18 in the rear. I ain't seen the bike in a minute, but I do know. Like I said, that that difference, because now that our front end's all high. I personally have ridden uh Shane Pollard's bike a few times, and I can't hold that bike up for shit. So I understand what you're saying. The picking those bikes up is no fun. No, not at all. Like uh I actually messed up with my dynah because I cut the stops off and did like a ghetto angle kit, and then I broke the ghetto angle kit. And so damn near every time I pick the bike up, it's like denting my tank in more and more. Oh shit, because you have to Yeah, I gotta live, I gotta like lift up with the handlebars, and yeah, I've kind of fucked my shit up. Damn, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:35

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:36

Not ideal. Uh here's gonna get a new tank, gonna get it repainted.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:40

So obviously, this sport is expensive as fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:44

Like it's expensive as fuck. It's expensive as fuck. What would you recommend as someone that's wanting to start off and uh start building a bike to stunt? What would be the main parts that they have to get?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:00

I'm talking bare bones. Uh so I can keep it pretty simple, honestly. If you're gonna build a sportster, depending on the bike, if you're gonna build a rigid mount 03 and under, I would say, literally, dude, buy yourself a seat, get some handlebars and risers, maybe, and uh 13-inch shocks. 13 to 14 inch shocks. I personally like taller shocks myself. Uh, I go with a 13 and a half to a 14. Try for a true 14, but you don't always get that. And drill that car about, you can pretty much do a wheelie all day. Sometimes the seats on Sports in those era kind of came already pretty decently step up. You might be able to just get into the game just off that. But with these all with that said, you want mid-controls. Um ideally, you would want a mag wheel on both.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:51

You want mags and it's a this is the answer that everyone always gets. Yeah, versus like, oh, it's simple, and then all of a sudden the whole bike's reading.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:58

Well, and then but that's really all you need. I'd that's why I tell everybody if you really want to get into it for cheap, buy a fuel-injected swordster.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:06

Because you're not doing any modifications.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:08

I wanted to ask you about the carb mod. Not many people really know about it that are starting off.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:13

I would hope everybody, at least if you're kind of getting into the game, kind of do some research because most time you do the research, it'll show.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:20

Um can you explain it a little bit?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:22

Uh, yeah. So on a factory, Harley Davidson carburetor is called a Keyan C V carburator. It's a C V 40. Um, there is a kind of almost like a circle on the side of it, and you drill into it. What you drill into that, and then you would take your um air intake off, and there's a vacuum hole. You plug that vacuum hole with like JB weld or some sort of silicone that's gonna keep it from sucking through, and you're essentially revacuing the carburetor and or where it sucks from. Because if you don't, you'll get to about 12 o'clock and the bike will cut out like nobody's business. Um, it's a pretty key part to this whole game. If you're not gonna run a fuel-injected bike, you have to do it. Um, most all carbs have a carb mod, bakuni's as well. Bakunis is like kind of by the the flapper, it's like right underneath it, right at the corner. Drill into it, and then you plug every other hole on the damn carburetor, and that's fairly easy. Most of the time, a lot of people say take the whole thing apart. I've been a scumbag before, and I run grease on it, kind of go through it, and I've carved modded in five minutes, so you got the right dude and the right drill bit. But it's a key part, it's a necessity. It's like a oil pan box.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:39

It's kind of like dangerous without it.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:41

It's 100% dangerous without it. I don't recommend trying without it. I personally, uh the owner never surrendered his name, Steve Angle, great human being. He let me ride his beat, a beautiful rubber mountain sports, but it's carb rated. I did not know he didn't have a carbon. He'd been kind of doing like basically this at the time. Still don't recommend doing that either. Well, I rode his bike, I dropped it back, I ruined his fender because it went, and when I tell you it went and then it cut, but it cut on the backside, not on the like coming down, and it dropped me back to that fender so fast. If it wasn't a full fender, I'd have been cooked, honestly. And I toggled his really nice fender, and I came back feeling that the biggest asshole in the entire world was like, Steve, I am so sorry. Luckily, super rad dude, he wasn't upset about it. In fact, he thought it was sick, but truth be told, if he'd had a carburetor mod, it would have never happened. And he it's a necessity for both popular carburetors in this game, whether it be a CV or a McCuni. A lot of people don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:40

Okay, you get into it.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:42

Yeah, a lot of people don't know. The oil pan mod for Harley Davidson's uh Harley's don't feed uh in uh twin cams, Harley's do not feed up to the top end of the motor. So what uh what we all do is we drop the oil pan, put in a six-inch rod, and you gotta cut into the plastic of the actual pan. When you pull it out, you'll see there's a old plastic setup. It kind of diverts the oil a little bit. But you add a six-inch rod on the inside so that way when you're in a wheelie, you're still feeding the motor because the oil pick straw. Exactly. It's like a straw.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:14

It is a straw.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:15

It is, yeah, it's exactly what it's doing. It's it's making sure you're getting oil fed the whole time. Otherwise, you get about a quarter mile and you'll see an oil light come on. That's your oil pressure light. And that's because you're starting your motor and you don't have much longer. And I know a few dudes who didn't get lucky and seize the bottom end for oil, and then they'd do a full motor rebuild.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:34

Then you're out for six months.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:36

Then you're out for six months, and you had about five thousand dollars. If anybody told you rebuilding a Harley motor is cheap, they were lying to you. It's not cheap, it's not necessarily the easiest thing. Not very hard, I'd say. A lot of them are like puzzles, but it's uh it'd be much easier to yank that oil pan off and do the right thing. And there's a few companies that sell kids for it too, so you need to look into that if you're not too technologically advanced in or uh uh what was the word I'm looking for? If you don't work on things, if you're not mechanically inclined, mechanically inclined is what I was looking for.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:07

What life lesson have you learned from snut writing?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:12

Everything takes time. No matter what you do in life, if you make the time for it, you'll learn. Uh Derek Larson gave me the advice after I hit the break, because I had a few of these were pretty mean to me at the beginning, dude, kind of dogged me and said I would never do it because I was looping out so much. Don't get discouraged. And uh and that's the right thing in life. If it doesn't happen the first time, don't stop. Because if you dedicate 30 minutes a day to anything in this world, I bet you in two months you'll you'll learn something. Absolutely right, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:45

Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:46

As someone who says I've been on your shoes a little bit because I only got like 12 episodes out, but I've I've got the interview. I think it'd be great. I took a lot of notes.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:55

Oh, you did? Oh yeah. What did you learn?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:58

Really, uh your delivery of questions. I feel like that's something I lack personally. I I I do I always uh put together my own little question board in my head on how what I'm gonna ask, and I think your delivery was really good and coming back to things is pretty good. I kind of lack the coming back to things. So I really respect you going and doing that.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:19

You know, um I really learned through podcasting or being the interviewer is like active listening, like really actually pay attention because it's easy to like in normal conversation, you really don't really pay attention. You're kind of just like thinking about what you're gonna say next. But in podcasting, you have to listen. There's a couple times I lost focus of what you're saying just because I'm thinking about what I'm gonna say next. And then I'm like, fuck, what did he say? What year did he say that was in? Or like what bike was that that he said he was riding, you know, things like that. And I'm like, fuck, see, I fucked up that opportunity. I I could have asked him about that. So if you just actively listen, then the qu the answers or the questions will come.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:59

100%. It's funny because this is also gonna sound so silly, but I learned this from Dr. Phil. Um, if you have already created an answer to what they are saying, you were not even listening to the beginning or to begin with. That's good advice. If you have an answer, and this taught me so much in communication. If you have already created an answer to what they are currently saying, you're not listening to what they're saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:22

I love that. You know what I learned from Dr. Phil?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:25

What?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:26

Is to push back on the guest. It's okay to confront the guest if you think they're wrong. Because it makes inner it's entertaining because uh people at home are are thinking the same thing. You know? So if if like for instance, uh something that I could have pushed back, if you were to say something negatively about handbrakes and I push back on it, uh-huh, it's instead of agreeing with everything you say just because you're the guest on the show, it's it's can create some t sort of tension and then it creates an interest point for the the viewer. They're like, they're like, oh, they they lean in like oh shit, she said something to them. Something to draw into. Yeah, like oh shit, she called them out on her own opinion because she has an opinion on that, and that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:13

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:13

And that's what a whole discussion's for.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:16

That's what the whole podcast is for, really.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:18

Podcast and freedom of speech, baby.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:20

It's a beautiful thing. God given right, you know, yeah, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:23

That's how literally how you think is you discuss things and thoughts. And if people shut down your thoughts, then you can't, or if you you're not able to speak your thoughts, then how are you supposed to think? Because if you don't discuss it, then how how do you change my mind?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:38

Or how could you be like, I hate to be done with the whole thing, and you'd be like, damn it, I really don't like that you said that, or like this, that really we could just sit there and talk about it and figure it out and it gives somebody else something to see.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:48

It's like, but why?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:49

Yeah, you know, why do you feel this way, or why do you not feel this way?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:52

Yeah, you know, that's why I asked you the the about stunt wars from from a competitor's perspective, because I don't know, and if I don't ask, how the fuck are we supposed to make it better? You know what I'm saying? Like, we want to make it better, we want to keep it fun for you guys and and also l make it more legitimate and grow it. So, like, how how do you do that without the community's help and just doing making it up in your own fucking mind, you know? Without talking to people.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:21

It takes a village, it's fucking hard.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:24

So if you guys have any ideas, yeah, let me fucking know because I want to keep it growing in next year's is uh when it's gonna really like I want to change some things. Not change, but like I want to make it mainstream.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:39

I want to make it that's where what about more mainstream? I mean, that's where I think you mentioned the the idea of sponsorships. Uh for not for us, but for the the the Wolf Stunt Wars itself. That'd be like trying to you have a now you got a basis to stand on. You got a couple years down. Really, if you got some big name sponsors, I mean you already have SMT. Shout out to SMT, they do some killer stuff, they're real big in Arizona, especially, so shout out to them. Um, and they obviously take great care of you. I think if you add on a few more people that are just some huge brand names, that could change the game a little bit, maybe. Um, but that's also a tough thing to do. Yeah, it's hard to prove like, really, are are you worth it? But like honestly, at this point, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:23

It's hard to get in the same room as someone with that opportunity. You can sit here and say, Well, why don't you hit up Monster? How?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:30

Yeah, who can I do you think their email is?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:34

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Because there's people that have plugged us with sponsorships, texting them for us, connecting us, and then nothing goes through because it's hard to get your foot in the door with people like that, and and opportunities that big. So, I mean, that is one um part of it, but I'm also thinking of doing like a series. So we're this is my idea, and I'm just gonna say it out loud. I don't give a fuck. You guys can tell me what you guys think of this because um, anyways, we're thinking about making it an official like league. So like maybe like the top six or four teams, five teams, I don't know yet that make it through the full series of 2026 get special special perks. So maybe they get sanctioned shows, like and show opportunities because we get hit up all the time and we can't necessarily bring stunt wars everywhere. So I could say, hey, we have um Southwest Club style, that's a sanctioned team. We'll provide the insurance, we'll coordinate everything and get you guys paid that way. Like some that'll be sick. Yeah, some special perks to the league teams, and then those league teams get uh invited first. Um I see, I haven't not thought of it all the way through, but like maybe sponsorship deals, I don't know. And then and then um this is where I I take it around and make it more mainstream by creating a A series, like a YouTube series around those teams. Now the YouTube series follows those teams and what they do on the daily day to basis, like when they go to a little stunt spot where they're fucking up and they can't, you know, change they can't change their tire, so they gotta go home or like whatever fucking issues they're having, like a storyline. And then once that storyline um is fabricated through YouTube for a year or so, and now fans are starting to tune in. Now they have favorite fucking teams. Now they're showing up for their team, they're really showing up for that team. Now that team can sell merch to those fans, and then Netflix picks this up. Heck yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like we got Stunt Wars TV. Who knows? I don't fucking know where this is going.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:48

That's what I was gonna say is uh But I think it's all about a series, uh YouTube series for I think that's smart. That's what I that was my next statement, is gonna be media. Uh you guys got some pretty cool media guys around you, and like the the YouTube's pretty killer. Um I just couldn't I personally wouldn't even know where to go or where to what to say even, but I was just saying like uh the outsource of media, like man, if we could get onto if you could get an advertisement on like Chive TV or something, Chive TV plays on every single dive bar around the country. If you could get advertisements for the stunt wars itself, even advertisements on YouTube for the event, or for like you said, the series itself. If you're gonna make the YouTube series, get the get a advertisement saying check this out or this is what's next, or like have it be on a like up, you know, like you're up next, it'd be like a you watch something from somebody else, you guys be up next. Or because it's around the same realm, if you're watching somebody else's podcast or somebody else's YouTube channel, it'd be in your suggested.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:50

And I think advertisement would be a big thing with stunt words to make it blow up a little harder too.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:55

Make it more I may mainly just want Harley's stunt writing in general, or v twin stunt writing. I'm trying to say v twin more because Buell's and them are all starting to come into our game. And I and I'm questioning Harley Davidson at this point.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:09

Yeah, there's a lot going on.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:10

There's a lot going on, that's a whole nother podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:12

Shut up, Peter Harley.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:16

Our industry absolutely relies on the the growth and um sustainability of Harley Davidson motorcycles if they don't jump on the bagw bandwagon of stunt riding, I don't see a pathway forward of where this is gonna go after this generation dies off. If the old Harley Davidson Hell Ya brother is dying off and they're no longer gonna be riding motorcycles, how do we get these e-bike riders that are like 13, 14, 15 onto a Harley Davidson? It's through stunt riding. These e-bike bike riders are stunt riding their e-bikes right now. Yeah, they there's there's a point where they're going to be old enough to purchase a motorcycle and they're gonna either choose a sport bike or a V-twin Harley Davidson. And so like if Harley doesn't support the Harley stunt scene, where our whole industry industry may die.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:19

I can see that, but also I can see like it's such a it's such a like a niche sport, you know what I mean? It's so specific, but it's also coming to a craze, and like even the hell yabblers are starting to see it. You come to an event, you see dudes who never seen this shit before, and they're like, God damn, hell, my dad's one of them, dude. Dude's a hell yabbler. Thought I was a dumb motherfucker when I first started starting running Harley. So you're rooting a nice bike, son. What the hell's wrong with you? They're like, we worked hard to have these bikes, and all of us go turn up and fucking start burning our tires down, blowing motors up, we laugh it off. And I think that's a big change. Like, um, I think the really, I think when it comes to e-bike kids, I think the things that you're doing are gonna be what continues how they v-twin stunt riding. I think with the competitions and the fun, I think as long as you maintain the fun aspect and show all these kids that we have a damn good time all the time, whether it be because I mean I got sober, I could say it's because I turn up and because I drink and like to have a good time and like to spend donuts, but man, I got summer sober homies that have just as much fun tearing stuff down on their hog and got a smile on their face the whole time. So I couldn't say that. I think it's a big as long as you show that you're still having a good time, because that's what these dudes do, is these e-bike kids, they're all in like a and that's why I say you're big on it, is because if you look, all these kids are in little competitions, they want to be like the bike like kids. I don't think it's between stunt bikes and Harley's, I think it's between dirt bikes and Harley's. I don't see many e-bike kids going straight to sport bikes. Sport bikes. I really think that it's gonna be to be a game of the dirt bikes, the Starks, the eated like the e-dirt bikes, or Harley's. I think that's the way to go. I think that's the way they're going to go, at least. Hell, my little nephew, man, he's 12 years old, never had interest in nothing. His little buddy down the street, same age, got an e-bike, started cracking wheelies. Now he came to me and is like, Uncle Sammy, can you teach me how to wheelie? Now I'm pumped. Told him straight up e-bikes are kind of fucking gay. So I'll let you learn my Z125 and I'll teach you.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:31

So I think you made a good point. They won't transfer straight from e-bikes to a sport bike or Harley, they go to a dirt bike next.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:38

I think a dirt bike's next.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:39

So after 15, 16, about 18 to 22, they're on dirt bikes, maybe younger. So only a few years they're gonna be on a dirt bike. Then they're gonna get bored.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:50

I think Harley's are after that.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:51

Harley's right after that.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:53

Almost every dirt bike kid goes to a Harley.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:55

That's a good point. So I don't know. All I'm saying is Harley Davidson needs to figure it out before our entire industry dies. And if if they don't latch on to the cool kids, meaning the stunt riders, then our entire industry on the V Twin side dies. Who's gonna buy wheels if there's no one riding v twins? Who's gonna you know, like that whole culture culture will die? And that means our friends in the industry that have businesses and brands in the V twin space. So, like, I'm just saying that's what they should be focusing on. They should be focusing on the 13, 14-year-olds that are in this the e-bike scene. What are they doing? They're doing fucking wheelies. They're stunt riders. I see them on the streets, they're sick of us too.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:49

Nasty, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:51

So we gotta start grooming them to one. No, I'm seriously, because that's the next one.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:57

No, no, that's looking terrible. But yeah, flipping that bike. Yeah, please do.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:01

You know, we gotta start grooming them to get into Harley's, you know. How can we connect the dots? And I know they're trying to by like introducing this lime wire uh e-bike. Is it lime wire? Like live wire live wire e-bike and and trying to rebrand it because they can't brand it as Harley Davidson because it's a Hell Yeah brother brand. I understand all that is uh a challenging thing, but why don't we just make Harley Davidson cool again?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:31

We gotta bring that to twin camper. They're not gonna do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:34

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:35

Uh I think they're not far off. I think so. I think it just it's not far off because Cruisy does a lot a lot with Harley right now, and there's a lot going on with Harley right now with them. And shout out Cruising and Shrant. They hold the fuck down, they have a good time. They're doing biker shit though, too, which almost kind of makes it seem like it might draw off just a hair on the sense of what the goal is with the bikes. But they also gave one to Corey Jacinski, too, and he's killing it. Guys burning shit down with that fucking Rev Max motor. It doesn't seem like they're not, it seems that they're not far off with giving stunt riding the love. Would it be cool to see them make a bike that's like driven towards stunt riding? Hell yeah. But that also takes away from the aftermarket game. You know, like you said, we want people to buy wheels, we want people to buy suspension, we want people to buy parts that are gonna make their bike stunt ride. That's why we have friends who have brands entirely based around stunt riding. And if they were to base their shit too much to where you just go buy a bike right off the fucking showroom floor, that takes away from the aftermarket aspect.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:39

Yeah, we'd still change it.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:41

Oh, 100%. Because everyone's gonna be able to do it. Yeah. You know, that's what the coolest thing about Harley is, though, is that the after that you can do anything to them. Yeah, you can make it your own. I don't think there's any other bike like a Harley Davidson that you can make your own and personalize the way you can.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:55

Yeah, yeah. That's what that's what makes us different or V Twin different from sport bikes. The customization.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:02

They're sport bikes are always so similar, they always look somewhat similar. You go to a lot, if you were unknown to the game and go to the lot, you're like, it's all a fucking 636, or it's all an F4i. But in reality, no, that could be this, that, and the other. Hell, that guy could be riding old R6. Some dudes who know the game a little more, you know what I mean? But they look so similar. That's something that's what I love about Arleys. What I hate about Arleys too is you see so many dudes look so similar. I hate that shit. I like to stand out myself, like look different. I want to show out different, I want my bike to be somewhat different. Like, I want to always know where my stuff is because I don't get mixed up with some other dude's black Dynah. Your black on black Dyna don't look like my American flag, polished wheel, fucking billet wheel bullshit. And I like that. I like that Harleys can do that for you. I also like that for like getting people into the game. When somebody asks me what they want or what to buy for their first bike, or like because they know I ride, I always tell them buy a sportster, because you can do anything in the world to it. It's the only bike I know if you can make a chopper, uh stunt bike, a dirt bike, a mild smasher, or just a cool club style bike. It's the only bike you can do everything to. You wouldn't want to do that to a diner or a bagger, but you can do anything in the world to a sportster, especially for women. I think it's a big customization options are huge.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:20

Why do you think sportsers have such a bad stigma for men?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:24

Because women and dudes are being egotistical and stupid. They're a great motorcycle, they're reliable, they're easy to work on, they're cheap to maintain. On paper, it's great, but no dude wants to look at their girlfriend. You know what I mean? You always want to be the big dog. And sports are not big dog bikes. They're just not. Somebody can say they're easier, but in some ways they're not. I love sportsers for wheelies because they're easier. You can chop it up like a dirt bike. I loved my sports tier. At some point in life, I'll probably buy it back. Shout out my boy who has it. Um but drifting's harder on a sportster.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:00

I feel like they're harder.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:01

They are in a lot of ways, they are.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:03

They're lighter, so you have to it doesn't stay planted as easy.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:08

And they're a shorter wheelbase.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:10

Yeah, it's I feel like it's harder. It's easier to clutch up. Oh, hell yeah. Way easier, like no effort, but other than that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:19

I think it's a big game of like it's a big dick swinging game, and that's why you sports just get the their gay comment. And also because they are easier, you know, in the sense of working on our parts. Like, you rarely see sportsers break down all the time. But you know, dudes who go through this, that, and the other. There's like early models, we got cam chest issues. If you don't change it over, you might blow a cam chain tensioner, fry everything in the bottom end, or fry your whole cam chest, and that shit's thousands of dollars. A sportster, you could rebuild 500 bucks in your backyard. I done it. It's like done it for sure. Or you go buy another whole, or you blow it up, you go buy a whole nother motor for 800 bucks. You're not doing that with a twin cam. Yeah, that's true. And I think that's why people get hate, like, you really deserve, are you really earning that shit, or you take it the easy way out?

SPEAKER_01 1:40:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:06

And a sportster 100% is in the sense of stunt riding a Harley, the easy way out.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:13

What do you think of that guy? That did you see that video of that old guy that said, uh, what do you say?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:19

Fucking stunt riders are in town, bunch of fucking faggots, except that guy CJ Barham for like the top dogs. He's fucking rad. CJ is fucking rad, so I respect that part, but like I can see why these old dudes think it's fucking gay. I actually commented on that guy because he had two sports or chops and a soft tail in the background. And I was like, look, dude, you ride two sports and a soft tail, call your boyfriend, you fucking loser.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:42

Um I commented, I think I'm getting this old.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:46

Yeah, I can understand it, dude. It's a lot of noise, it's a lot of tearing up the town. We get rowdy, every place we go to, we fuck it up. Fuck it up. It doesn't matter where you go. I promise you, at the end of the night, if we go to a bar, I'm sorry for your bar because it's getting fucked up. Somebody might get beat up, your bar might get filled with smoke. The outside of the bar for sure are gonna have tire marks everywhere because ten of these dudes are gonna burn it down. It might even be me. So I can see where some dudes would get bummed, especially if he was from Salt Lake City. Dude, that's a small Mormon town, and then they just burn it to the fucking ground for a weekend. I can see him being upset. I don't see him being that upset. That's a little crazy to make a whole comment and make a whole video about it, especially with the whole choppers in the background, fucker. Uh not hitting on choppers, just sports or choppers. Uh I thought that shit was hilarious, though, dude. I can't even lie. I thought it was funny. I understand it. Like, I grew up on old bikers my whole life. I my dad's a biker. I'm actually a fifth generation Harley rider. We've been riding my family, we've been riding Harley since Harley's came about. So for me, like, I understand from a biker aspect where you'd think we're fucking faggots. Because, like, dude, a lot of us look the fucking-that's the thing I hate. A lot of us look the fucking same, do the same shit. And and a lot of these dudes think their head is bigger than the world because they can do a hand drag. And sorry, dude, at the end of the day, we're also just Harley stunt riders doing what we like, doing what we like. But not many of us are making a career out of this. Not many of us are making crazy money off of this. Don't forget where you came from, buddy, just because you got kind of good. You still gotta be a good person. And a lot of these dudes are dickheads.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:30

Not only that, but you only stay on the top for so long.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:35

You only stay on the top as long as you're willing to work for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:39

The second you take a day off, the next dude's stepping in right in front of you.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:43

And you see it so often too. You see dudes who are like are blowing up, and then you're like, oh shit, like this is the guy. And then you see some shit happen, or you see him take a two months off. You're not the top guy no more, Bubba. There's somebody that just did a better head drag than you, or did a better hand drag than you, or his bike looks better, and he did the cool the same trick as you, and they blew up for the weekend. Like, I think blowing up and getting a lot of views is something that gets them going to people's head and fucking them up because they think they didn't get deserved a whole lot because they got two videos that went crazy, and then I'm getting kind of entitled. Then they kind of had to be in dickheads, like the local scene. You see, a lot of dudes not liking their own local scene, but they love they get love on Instagram. And I think traveling, you learn that a lot. Once you meet the get the ins and outs of where you're at, and you're like, damn, that dude's actually not cool. Because on social media he got 20,000 likes and 40,000 followers, and seems like he's the fucking man of the town, but really the guy's kind of a dickhead and nobody in his city actually really likes him.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:44

You know, it's wild that you mentioned that. I noticed that because we're in our niche and a lot of our everyone, a lot of people in our niche are influencers, but we know them, and you realize like they're not really living what they're they're posting, or you know, their life looks like it's lavish, or they're a rock star, but they're not really. You know what I'm saying? Now, when I look on Instagram and I see any influencer, I'm like, hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:10

What do you really do, bro?

SPEAKER_02 1:44:11

Yeah, is that a rental somebody? Or you're yeah, whose bike is that?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:16

Yeah, who really owns that bike? Is that a customer's bike? You know what I feel like like what are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:44:21

Exactly, exactly. But it's it's crazy when you're on the come up. Uh how you you start meeting these people that you were watching on Instagram and and they start becoming your friend, or you start realizing they're fucking dickheads. I thought they were gonna be cool. I've been following this motherfucker for years, and now you won't even say hi to me. Things like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:40

It's just uh eye-opening. Don't cool guy people, nobody likes it. Nobody fucking likes it, dude. It's funny, somebody hit me up one day, uh a Tanner Yeager photo. I don't know if you know that is super cool cat. He's done a lot of stuff out here, super nice, dude. Shout out him for calling me out, too, because I didn't know I did it. I'm actually horrible with communication, be so real about it. Some days, if you talk to me, I'm on the phone or something, like I'm and you like show love, I'm kind of bad about it back. I'll be so honest. And I I always end up feeling so bad. A lot of times I've stopped and apologized and be like, dude, that was so fucking rude of me. I apologize. Or even made a post afterwards be like, if you talked to me today and I was rude to you, I am so sorry because I was caught up in my own head about something and had nothing to do with you. I just didn't show the love I probably should have when you were showing it to me. But Tanner hit me up one time and I didn't even recognize him, and I was kind of drinking, especially when drinking, I'm pretty bad about it. I kind of get lost in my own little sauce, in my own little world. And he hit me up and was like, I've never been cool guys so hard in my life. And I was like, dude, what are you talking about? Uh and he, I guess he had tried, he was with somebody else that I just showed bad love to. I guess I looked at him, I didn't recognize, dude. I won't even lie to you. I was kind of drunk, wasn't even thinking about it, didn't recognize, bro. He taking photos for me, he's been real good to me, like showing a lot of love. Um, I'll respect the dude, and he hit me up, was like, I've never been a cool guy in so hard in my life. And I hit him up, I was like, What are you talking about? He broke it down. I remember the situation, and I was like, dude, I'm sorry. Because I did not mean to be that guy. I'd never liked that guy. I don't want to be that guy, I don't want to be known as that guy. I apologize. And I think that's something like you really can't do it, dude. It kills people's vibe about you. Like, cool guy and dudes are like acting like you're too good to talk to somebody because they're not known, or maybe you don't know them is not cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:35

Well, to our defense, yeah, we meet a lot of motherfucking people. A lot of people, and so like I feel guilty sometimes because I'm so busy or like overwhelmed and anxious because I'm a normal person. Yeah. And people think that I'm not, and I might meet someone multiple times and still ask what their name is. Every time. Or like, hi, nice to meet you. Like, we've met like 20 times already, and I feel like so guilty, but I'm I a lot of times I'm like overwhelmed or like over stimulated. Overstimulated, so I'm not like remembering, and unless we trauma bond, I'm not fucking gonna remember. Yeah, so like you know, and and so I don't want people to take it personally. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:47:19

Like, I know exactly what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:21

That wasn't personal when you didn't recognize him. It was nothing personal, and then most of the time we see the fucking people on Instagram with their helmets on, they don't show their face. So I feel guilty, I'm sorry, of writers that ride in stunt wars and I'm checking them in. I don't know who they are because I don't see their face on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:41

So that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:42

I'm so bad about it. One anxiety thing that causes me a lot of anxiety when I know I'm going somewhere, like a uh like born free or somewhere. I'm like, fuck. If I see someone and I don't know who they are and they know me and I should know who they are, I'm gonna like offend them.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:01

I call them big dog. I mean I don't know your I don't know your name, just so you know. When I roll up on you and say big dog, I have I know you know me, I know your face, I have no clue what your name is, and I'm so sorry. That's just the honest truth.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:15

Yeah, it's just it's just and then that's not cool going.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:18

It's just like I don't remember it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:21

So many people we run around.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:22

I have we run into so many, especially on the country. And like I born free, I felt so bad because like I got a lot of homies in SoCal, a lot of people be sharing me in SoCal, a lot of pumped to see me. And we're walking around a place where I can't look up your Instagram or like try to think of where you're from. On the there's exactly well, there, yeah, there's no there's no uh cell service there.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:41

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:42

So you're walking up and it's like, oh shit. And like I've had like probably 25 people hit me up and roll up on me, give me a hug, and I have no clue what their name is. I'm trying so hard to remember. I always feel bad. Sometimes it's like pretty big names, too, dude. And I'm not gonna mention, dude, but I had a dude who's pretty big in the bike builder industry show some real love. I met him at bike week this year. He loved what I had going on. I remembered him, and he knew me by name. I had no fucking clue. And I the second he walked away, I felt so stupid. Everybody I was with, I was looking up and I was like, dude, if there's anybody I probably should remember, it's that dude. We had a big conversation together. Like, I felt so guilty, like you mentioned earlier. I felt so guilty and so wrong. But it's like, like you said, we meet so many people and come across so many people, and then honestly, we after party a lot too at all these events. Sometimes we meet people who are already buzzed. Yeah, sometimes we had a great time together, it's because we were taking shots together.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:39

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:40

And now I'm so sorry I don't remember your name, but I have no clue who you are. My bad. Yeah, sorry, big dog.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:47

But that's a good good lesson for us to introduce yourself, yeah. Because they might not know who the fuck you are, and we're acting like we know who they, you know, that they should know who we are.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:58

Yeah, and that's true. We're like, you know what I'm saying? I think it's funny how many people know me as Hobboy, and I'll say my name and nobody fucking knows. This dude in Huntington knew who I was, and he was like, Man, I don't believe it. I was like, Well, I don't really wear open-faced helmets, so I don't know how you can't believe it, but he was like, Let me see your stomach. Oh my tattoo. And I showed him and he was like, damn, hell yeah, what's up, dude? And then he bought me a drink and shit. We partied. That was your proof, that's your ID. And I was like, dude, son of a like son of a gun, man. I uh I created this identity, and now I just ran with it so hard that that's how people know me. And it's like, dude, all you heard all day long in Born Free, Hot Boy, Hot Boy. Nobody called me Sammy. I don't think anybody once the whole time called me Sammy. No, and I have it in my bio for sure, it's the first thing, Sammy. But nobody calls me, and it's all Hot Boy, it's always Hot Boy.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:49

You're building a brand, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:50

That's what that's called. It's pretty cool. Don't get me wrong, I love it. I think it's sick, I'm very proud of myself. But it's like, I had a homegirl with me, and she's like, dude, you like know everybody. And I'm like, I know. She's like, but everybody knows you as Hot Boy. I was like, I know. Everybody, like it's and it's cool. Like in Huntington, I didn't know people knew who I was. And I had a uh my buddy Travis 211, that's where he lives. Good buddy of mine, reshares my stuff. Cyrus Parties of Huntington 2 reshares my stuff. Few other homies as well. So, dude, a lot of people knew me. They all knew me as Hot Boy, not one person, Sammy. Even when I told them, it's like we're all drinking, it's like they don't even remember my name, they're just no hot boy.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:31

Shit, dude. Well. Then that leads me to my closing question. Last question. Who is Sammy? Dude, I'm a uh without all without all the jokes aside, yeah. Yeah, all jokes aside, all snut writing and glamour aside, who is Sammy?

SPEAKER_00 1:51:54

I'm uh I'm a young dude from North Phoenix who uh loves to spend time with his friends, loves humans, and um I love love too. I fucking I I'm a human who I love to care. I love to fucking be positive. I wasn't always this way, but I I love being happy and I love trying to make other people happy. So I'm uh I'm a young dude who loves love.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:17

Okay, dude. Sensitive gangster.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:19

Yep, I keep it honest. Like I fucking I get sentimental about so much shit. If I told you, and this is gonna be exposing myself pretty hard, but I told you how much stuff I almost cry about, I'd be uh you'd be blown away. I don't, because I'd kind of got a built-up stomach, but uh I'd be honest, everything means a lot to me. I uh I lost a lot of people growing up. I came from a big long line of drugs and addicts and stuff, so I don't take life for granted by any means, and I'm very grateful for anybody who I meet along the way. So I'm a I'm a young dude as grateful, I suppose.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:53

Hell yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:54

Much as I try to be.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:56

Well, um I'm looking forward to you continuing your podcast and um seeing where that goes.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:02

Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:03

Thanks, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:04

You're the man. Thank you, Dre.