Episode 136 - 'BDSM from beyond the grave'

Intrigued? Vicky shares a heart warming tale of how her kinky friend reached out from 'the other side', Barry proves how vanilla he actually is when he delves into Vicky's lucky dip BDSM kit bag and we have tales from Victorian brothels, Monster studies, a clothing scandal a Fetish Factoid that 'goes both ways'. 

*The sound for the first 30 minutes has an echo, because Vic didn't hit record on the audio mixer, so the sound is coming from the camera. Once she realised he faux pas, the sound is great* 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

Are you a deviant? You know, like those of us who binge watch serial killer programs, laugh at the stupid stuff people do, unrevel in anything else. Well, you found your people! Join us as we crack open the door to Pallas Cell and release the insanely stupid, the weirdly wonderful, and those who choose to live on the size of size for north. With elephants the strange, the macabre, the sexy and the outrageous! So, if you're a deviant, then you have your place in the puzzle cell. Hey Deviants, the sound quality for the first 30 minutes of this episode is a little bit echoey because I forgot to hit record. After then though, it's just fine. And today I'm here with the cafeteria plunger man himself, our bass! Hi. You're gonna pour as well.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

I'm pouring, yeah. You're not gonna pour by the mic then. I'm scared to pour by the mic's got a white t shirt.

SPEAKER_06 0:55

Oh, if you've got a white t-shirt on, you might burn yourself. And we're live on Facebook the first time in ages.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Uh no, we're not. Oh, yeah we are.

SPEAKER_06 1:02

Here we go, here we go. Yeah, we haven't been on facey for absolutely ages. Right, so while I've got Facebook on, and while I've got you here, one of the last things that we talked about on the last part was about um our friend's kit bag that I couldn't open. Yes. So, for those on Facy, uh, if you've seen the reel about me unable to open me mate's kit bag, well I did, I did it because I'm really kind, aren't I? And I did it. Um and it was on a night where it was my leave and do for the BDSM crowd in at Rascal Desire on the 1st of May, and I was doing this really big scene, and hopefully you can hear me okay. I was doing this really, really big, big scene, and I needed some props, and I could not find them anywhere. Basically, I was gonna be walking somebody into the lounge in chain, but I wanted it to be black chain, and I didn't want it to be dead long because I didn't want it to fall over, yeah, but enough for them to drag along so it was like shuffle, shuffle, chain, chain, chain. Yeah. And I couldn't find any black chain anywhere. I could just find our like silver mankey chain that's been used loads. Anyway! So I didn't even think about it. I literally just thought I was threatened, and I was like, fuck it, I'm doing what I'm forget that. Me scenes tonight, I'll I'll find it. Jemmy's bag was sitting there, and um and I was like, oh I'm gonna I'm gonna look in this now. I'm I'm not I'm not gonna think too much about it. I'm just gonna open it now, it's there. And so I opened it up and uh I found what I needed in the bank. It was almost like he said, Look in my case, you're gonna find what you need. So, what I needed for my scene was basically sitting at the top of his case, just like that. Didn't want it to be too heavy, I just wanted it to be enough, so you know it dragged and all that.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

I'd I'd say something like just being like the fact you even thought you wanted black chain probably came from that.

SPEAKER_06 3:10

Well, I mean, I've never. But I'd never looked in his bag, I didn't know it was there. And uh on the night of the actual um the scene that I was doing, I was like, Do you know what? Let's just look in the bag. It was like it was my first night not being part of townhouse anymore, as well. So it felt like a bit of a moment, and I was like, Do you know what? This is a new start. I'm gonna open the bag without really analysing too much. I just went, I'm just gonna do it and let that lose my train. I just couldn't believe it. That's impressive. I couldn't believe it. And so my big scene, my big, big scene that I did that night that was marking my next journey, had some of his gear in it.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

Which is why he left you gear in the first place.

SPEAKER_06 3:56

Well, you never know if there might have been a reason, but it's just one of those things, isn't it? And you're like, God, um, it was like in you. It's like in you, it's really great. So, there's that, and also in his bag, also in his bag.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

No, you see, I saw you with this bag of stuff, and I didn't know what it was, and I shit myself and you walked on.

SPEAKER_06 4:14

Oh, bat that's quite nice. That was also in the bag, and it's a Batman knife.

SPEAKER_04 4:22

Oh god, it is not. It's got Batman on it! Fucking yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 4:27

And I was like, oh mate, thank you so much. So for those on Facebook, you can see it's a Batman knife. Yeah, it's a bit sharp though. Is it just pointy sharp? Or is it all me? It's very, very sharp. So normally when I have knives, a BZM scenes, you make them blunt, yeah, so you can't actually do any damage. This one's really sharp. So um I will have to make this blunt before I do anything. Yeah. He was, he'd love a Batman knife. So that was in there as well, and I was like, okay, that's very me. Thank you very, very much, friend. But it was the chain that got me.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

I was like, yeah, I like the heavy, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 5:15

Yeah, really heavy, it's a lot heavier than I thought.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

Going you had that back for it. That was that's what I mean. It's good, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:24

So that's that. Thank you very, very much, friend. And on one of the other podcasts, uh, I mentioned my old faithful flogger. And I was with Lady Artemis, and she'd never seen my old faithful flogger, even though she's actually seen with me, and she's it's been there, but she's just not gone on to the fact that is what is my oldest flogger. And um, I wanted to bring her to show you how old and dilapidated it is, and how it's not gonna last much longer, but I can't get rid of her. No, so this is it's an old leather flogger with really, really um old looking laces, yeah, as opposed to it. It's squared off. I don't know if you can see that there, it's square rather than round. So each fall is like four sides, yeah. Yeah, and then at the end of it, it was actually um cut to a tip, but as you can see, they're all worn down now from all the years. This is about 21 years old, and I could replace the handle on it, but it's just one of those things that when it moves, it just moved beautifully. And if I replace the handle, it might not move in the same way. And so I've been just replacing the gaffer tape on it for about 17 years now because it's started to fail within a couple of years. So, as you can see, my old faithful flogger has got gaffer tape around it because I'm terrified of replacing the handle.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Gaffer tape's a wind, though.

SPEAKER_06 6:54

Oh, gaffer tape's multifunctional, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 6:57

Yeah. Apparently it heals wounds.

SPEAKER_06 7:00

Take your skin off at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

It's probably just internet bullshit that I keep buying in.

SPEAKER_06 7:04

It's probably internet bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 7:05

Well, apparently it's got something in it when you put it over a cut, it can peel quite well.

SPEAKER_06 7:10

I wonder if it's like doing stitches, like butterfly stitches.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Maybe I've never used it.

SPEAKER_06 7:17

I've just got a plaster. There was an event years ago in the club, and um it was like Wimper, it wasn't called Wimper at the time, like a femme don't kind of event. And this guy was really hairy there. And myself, I think it was Susie Phoenix. If you're watching, just confirm that because she watches this. I think it was Susie Phoenix, and uh, we decided to get gaffer tape on this guy's chest. He was so hairy, it was a couple of inches, easily loads like a mat, like a rug. Brilliant. And uh we put patches of gaffer tape on his chest, left it there for a little bit, left him to sweat. We'd keep going up and go like that. No. We'd do like a little corner, plop a few hairs, and then leave it or pass it back on again for ages, and then eventually, when he thought, like, when where we go, that just went and he had like a perfect gaffer shape gaffer tape mark on his chest. It was brilliant, it was brilliant. I know, I know. So there you go. That is my old trusty flogger, 21 years old, and uh it's got quite the noise, but I can't really do anything without knocking shit over, can I? Well, can I? No, you can't, we've had a conversation. Oh yeah. There you go. Here's the noise.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Different kind of helicopter to what I can make, but you know.

SPEAKER_06 8:35

Well, yeah, your kind of helicoptering is very different. Yeah. So there you go. Oh, someone just said uh you missed a live episode. Well, we're gonna try and start doing them again, um, because I'm learning what to do. So while while we're here today on Facebook, we've actually got three cameras on the go, we've got the sound on the go, we're recording live and I'm multi-functioning and all the rest of it. But um I still haven't quite grasped how to record an episode live and film at the same time. I did a try it once and it was terrible. Okay, so we're gonna just do a few little on this days, we're gonna keep you on for a little bit. Um, but if you want to see the rest of this episode, it's gonna be next Thursday. This one's out, but I'll keep it on for a little bit because I've missed you. Okay, so this is going out obviously next week, next Thursday, which is 28th. On this day, 28th of May 1923. Well, what is that button there? Something was legalised, and uh, it's something unbelievable that was legalised. And actually, this thing that was legalised was only um legalised in Paris in 2013. People were still doing it, but on paper, it was one of the old laws that had never been scrapped.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Was it shoot a Welshman with a bow and arrow inside the walls of Chester?

SPEAKER_06 9:55

No, it wasn't shoot a Welshman with a bow and arrow inside the walls of Chester. At the turn of midnight. At the turn of midnight, no, no, it wasn't. So, on this day, women were then legally allowed to wear trousers. Fuck off. So up until this date in 1923, it was illegal for women to wear trousers. Yeah. So this law was passed. So for centuries, this society treated uh women wearing trousers um as improper and it was exclusively masculine. Well, fuck you, because I've got jeans on!

SPEAKER_02 10:31

I know in France only in 2013.

SPEAKER_06 10:34

Yeah. And I'll tell you this in a minute. Paris, specifically Paris, yeah. So they were seen as masculine and definitely not for ladies. Ladies should be wearing dresses, skirts, corsets. These are the only things considered proper for a lady. Trousers symbolised uh authority, practicality, freedom of movement, all things historically women weren't encouraged to have.

unknown 10:59

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 10:59

Freedom of movement being one of them, yeah. It is unbelievable, this. Um, and newspapers claimed that it would destroy femininity. Confuse children. So I'll call them mum dad because they're wearing a pair of trousers. Fuck off. Encourage lesbianism. So all you lesbians out there that are wearing dresses and skirts, you're not a proper lesbian because you're not wearing trousers according to this. Encourage lesbianism.

unknown 11:28

How awkward is the world?

SPEAKER_06 11:29

Ruin managers. Yeah. So basically, encourage lesbians. Well, yeah, maybe that could come from back then. Yeah, you don't know. Yeah. Cause moral decline.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

Moral decline over a pair of cacks.

SPEAKER_06 11:44

Yeah, over a pair of trousers. Make women aggressive because they were wearing trousers, because they're feeling a little bit more assertive, maybe. Yeah. And blur God's natural odour. Because somewhere in the fucking Bible it says dog shall wear a skirt. Yes, yeah. If you've got a fandango, do not wear trousers.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

Gotta let the air get through it.

SPEAKER_06 12:06

Let the air get to your flaps.

SPEAKER_02 12:07

Fucking hell.

SPEAKER_06 12:09

Okay. So practicality was a massive driver, though, because around this time we're talking what, 1923, just post-war. And a lot of women have started working in factories, hadn't they, during wartime, and they hadn't stopped. Uh men were you know redeployed to do other things, and women oftentimes kept some of these jobs. And in the factory, shock, you know, skirts are not practical and dresses and all that kind of thing. Also, I was saying before about uh women having independence, and it would encourage independence, yeah. Well, it did because um cycling was also a big thing back then, and Victorians lost their minds over women riding bicycles because bicycles gave women independence.

SPEAKER_04 12:55

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 12:55

Yeah. Suddenly women could travel alone, go wherever they wanted further away, socialise freely without your males being behind and breathing down the neck, uh supervising them and with the with uh the trousers on, they didn't have the skirts catching the chase.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

They didn't have pockets though, did they?

SPEAKER_06 13:13

Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

No, but they never had pockets.

SPEAKER_06 13:15

So, yeah, these long skirts made it easier for them to ride bikes. So, more and more women were starting to ride bikes, get out there, the guys were fuming. And doctors claimed that cycling would sexually overstimulate them due to saddle pressure.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

Pardon? Now they invent saddles with extra attachments for that reason. Oh, they do. Oh, they do.

SPEAKER_06 13:39

I think the nice the gel ones would be quite nice. Have you seen the uh videos of women on gym equipment and they're having orgasms? Yes. One squirted. Right, what machine was she using? Might have to get a gym membership for David Lloyd.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Anything, didn't they? Like the barbell bar. She didn't go with it.

SPEAKER_06 13:58

Yeah. There was one machine, and it was shaking. I don't know what it was, and she was all over the place and just on her flaps. Next minute, she gushed everywhere in the gym now. How embarrassing? I mean, she was laughing. I'm sure she died immediately afterwards when once she realised she'd gushed everywhere in front of a full audience and it was being filmed.

unknown 14:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:19

Or it's stage, but yeah. Yeah. Probably probably is stage, but it's still like some of them look genuine, though. One literally fucking exploded everywhere. You couldn't you couldn't make that up. Wow. No way. Yeah. So, yes, there you go. On this day in 1923, it was the day that uh trousers uh lost their debate and it became law for women to wear them without uh consequence or argument, and they enjoyed freedom of movement, economic freedom as well, because of the independence. Exactly, yeah. Sexual and social independence, practicality and comfort. Because back then, you know, comfort was not high on the agenda for us ladies. You know, of course it's as tight as you possibly could, so you couldn't breathe. Anyway, even actresses got dragged into this very quickly before we wrap up. You've heard of Marlena Dietrich, haven't you? No. Oh fuck right off. You have? Have I? Marlene Dietrich, yeah. She had uh like a bombshell and she had like um really like thin pencils, eyebrows back in the 1920s, real bombshell, blonde bombshell. She had different colour hair actually, but she always wore trousers. So she was famously known for wearing tailored trousers in public in the 1930s, especially, and it caused outrage everywhere. And newspapers became totally obsessed with her, followed around, and some restaurants banned her for wearing trousers. How very dare she wear trousers!

SPEAKER_02 15:43

It's almost like tongue-in-cheek sort of satire now.

SPEAKER_06 15:47

It sounds comical, yeah, doesn't it? Ridiculous, yeah. And I was saying before about Paris in 2013. So technically they had a law restricting women from wearing trousers in Paris without police permission. Yeah. And in 2013, obviously, that wrote that law was scrubbed out of the history books. And it was only in 1995 in the UK that women were allowed to wear trousers in court in a legal capacity. So if you're a solicitor, barrister, any sort of you know court assistant, you have to wear a skirt or a dress, even with your gown. Um, after 1995, you could wear trousers. Yeah, right. I've got a confession. So Miami was in court years ago, and it wasn't that anything that she did, uh, she was a witness to something. And we were left in a room, just me and her with no windows, with a folder, a file, and one of them wigs, barrister wigs.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Did you pretend?

SPEAKER_06 16:49

So the barrister went out of the room to go and have a chat over something, and um Miancy decided that she was going to put the wig on. I mean, you haven't got long Jenny going the next room. Yeah, it's like a mediation thing, isn't it? Anyway, she quickly put it on and I've got still got the picture now, but she went from being like to like instantly, she like put the wig on and she got a degree there and then she got a master's degree in that second. She just went, it was brilliant, and quickly took it up. We had the dog out, like the fuck like in the right place. I'm just sitting there like nothing had happened. I said so if she hasn't got nits right then. So before we move on to our next little bit, we're gonna say terra to everybody over on Facebook. It's been lovely being back again. And before I go, I'm just gonna turn the phone around so you can see our baz. Hang on, hang on.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

Hi.

SPEAKER_06 17:46

Oh comfy, you're not. You're all slouched and comfy there, yeah. Okay, yeah, I know, don't close your eyes. There you go. So there's our baz.

SPEAKER_04 17:54

Hi, bye.

SPEAKER_06 17:55

So here's one of our new hosts. We've got four new hosts now. Um, and uh it's Barry's turn today. So uh probably next time I'm on with whoever, I'll go on live again and you can all meet them. Um, but you can see them all anyway, um, on our YouTube channel. Uh Panther Cell Podcast, I'm gonna go. Uh right, so um, see you soon. This is out next Thursday, or you just catch us on YouTube or Spotify in the means and give me a sauce. But it's lovely to be back. Have a great day.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

There you go. There you go. Back to you lot now.

SPEAKER_06 18:27

Back to you lot now. Yeah, give you undivided attention. It's been ages since I've done that. When I first did it in the studio, I was always a bit like, oh, concentrating on like directing the show. Rye, because he was always fucking fiddling or going off on one or on his phone, and then sometimes Dylan being in the background giving his feedback, and obviously he'd have Facebook on the game. At first, I was like, I can't I can't do all these things at once. But in the end, I was like fucking finally tuned machine, dead professional.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Now you're just retuning it.

SPEAKER_06 18:56

Now I'm just retuning it, yeah. I'm just I'm trying to recalibrate. Right, I said enough about trousers, I've got bored of trousers now. Yeah, right. So, but I'll add that. Uh 2013 in Paris. People were obviously wearing them, but it was still a law that was there.

SPEAKER_02 19:09

One of those random things that if they wanted to do you, they could.

SPEAKER_06 19:12

So if you're a bit of a cunt and they couldn't find anything on you, but they wanted to drag you in like that, right? You're wearing trousers, get in here, yeah, and throw them in jail for a little bit while they think about it. Right then, so next on this day. Have you ever heard of the monster study? The monster? The monster study. I thought it was an urban legend, and it's not. And I was really, really shocked, and it wasn't an urban legend, it's actually true. So 1939. Uh so it was a long time ago, but even so, I think it's at a time when people should have known better, and probably did know better, but decided to do this anyway, and it involved children, trigger warning. And this was an experiment conducted by a speech pathologist called Wendell Johnson and a graduate student called Mary Tudor, not the Mary Tudor, at the University of Iowa, yeah? And the goal was to study stammering. But he did it in a way that was unbelievably cruel, really cruel. He selected orphaned children from veterans' orphanages in Iowa. Veterans orphanages. So these kids had already lost parents, you know, in military. These kids then got split into groups. Some of the children received positive reinforcement, others were psychologically torn apart. Let me tell you more. So researchers deliberately criticized perfectly normal speech. They told children they were speaking incorrectly, warned them not to talk, interrupted them constantly, and made them feel ashamed of speaking. Children who had no speech problems whatsoever began becoming anxious, withdrawn, and fearful, of course. Some reportedly stopped participating in class altogether, some became socially isolated, and some developed last and confidence issues around speaking for the rest of their lives. Well yeah, but they had no issues whatsoever. So the reason it became known as a monster study is because even people in the psychology fields thought that it crossed ethical lines, but still continued. Yeah. And they chose the reason for this is because they chose vulnerable children with little protection and advocacy anyway, because they were orphans. So not only were they torturing them, but these specifically chosen children who had nobody defending them.

SPEAKER_04 21:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:49

They're already vulnerable. Yeah. So this gets quite bleak, really. Because um it's quite disturbing. How subtle the abuse was. So it wasn't like no chains, no torture devices, or physical violence or anything like that. Just words, but repeated.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

It's like water torture words.

SPEAKER_06 22:12

Yeah. So even it was just words, it was a psychological impact that actually was enormous. It had a massive, massive impact on them. So it says here that it showed one of the clearest exam examples of how authority figures can shape self-perception. It showed that if somebody in power repeatedly says the same thing, like you're wrong, you're broken, you're failing, you sound stupid, the person will eventually start believing it, especially to the child with a vulnerable child. Mad. So this actually sounds when I read that, it made it sound quite modern because actually social media does versions of this every day. Yep. Yeah. I'm not going to talk more about the children because what we do know is that pretty much all of the children who are part of the study went on to have psychological um trauma or speech, like impediments of some sort. Yeah. And they needed then further therapy to undo it, and some of them never did recover.

SPEAKER_04 23:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:17

But it's it took me on to social media. Look at how aesthetics are pushed on social media. If somebody sounds a bit funny, everybody on their keyboard behind the screen, they'll tell them. Now you'd argue if you're if you're gonna put yourself on social media, you need to be prepared for the backlash you're gonna get on there. However, you don't sign up for some of the hate that you get because some people get very personal.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

And people that do hate wouldn't dream of doing it to your face now in real life. They're probably normal, alright people.

SPEAKER_06 23:51

So social media, um, by from one reel of what 60 seconds, it can have thousands and thousands of comments. Let's say out of a thousand comments, only 500 of those were negative about somebody's appearance or how they spoke.

SPEAKER_04 24:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 24:06

A lisp, maybe, a stammer, the accent, a scouse accent.

SPEAKER_04 24:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 24:12

Anything, or a guy sounding overly feminine, yeah, a girl sounding butch, anything like that. You'd get told enough. If those 500 people, half of those people said the same thing, you're not telling me that that's not gonna have never negative impact. And do you know what? Maybe some of us have been guilty of tittering between ourselves over things. I think it's human nature to laugh at things. If people put themselves out there and there's something funny, you're gonna laugh. Yeah, what's wrong? Would I dream of berating somebody properly personally, apart from King of Starler, uh, online? No, no, I'm not that hateful.

unknown 24:48

Do you know?

SPEAKER_06 24:49

And there's been some proper shit cons out there done terrible things me over the years, and I've still not rated them online.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 24:54

I haven't. I've wanted to. So the reason I'm bringing this up is because this is 1939 and we're all going, fuck off, go away. Really? That's terrible. That's terrible to the other children. Children of 13, I go on Instagram and Facebook, and those children have got friends of the same age who are doing it to them.

SPEAKER_04 25:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:15

And disgustingly, you've got adults doing it to the children.

SPEAKER_04 25:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:20

Okay, arguably, the kids are on there, you're gonna put shit on there, you're gonna get shit back. Their parents are allowing them to go on there. There's girls who are 14 and 15, very sexualized in some of the things they're putting on Facebook.

SPEAKER_04 25:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:33

Yeah. And there's adults who are saying positive and negative things. The negative things about their appearance, it might make them have Botox too soon.

SPEAKER_04 25:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:43

Change how they wear their hair, how what clothes they wear, top down, top up, whatever. All start, and these are children, really, really, really young children. Yeah. So even they were all disgusted at 1939. Equally disgusted. 2026. That's valid days. We are brainwashing people every day on social media.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

It's the same experiment, a massive experiment.

SPEAKER_06 26:10

Isn't it just? And it is a social experiment.

unknown 26:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 26:14

It's social media. It's a social experiment because when it very first started at Facebook and Instagram and all that, didn't look like the way it does now. Facebook was a it basically took over Friends Reunited. Yeah. Didn't it? It was a way of old friends connecting and going, Oh, fucking hell, I haven't seen you for years. What are you doing? Now it's become um a social experiment because bit by bit they've been adding features, watching how they work, how people take them up, how and and what effect they have to algorithms, money making, exposure, people selling things online, promoting themselves, products, services, whatever. It's one massive social experiment. The fact they allow children on there with parental control and all the rest of it is bullshit. It is they're allowing children to be passed, have a social experiment. Yeah. So the last on this day, very, very quick one, 20th of May, 1888, very long time ago. The year this house was uh built. Oh, anyway. The earliest flagellation brothel opened. I think there's been there's been more before then, but newspapers got on to it. And uh it started this newspaper panic basically at these flagellation brothels popping up all around London, but I argue beyond. I know of some that went beyond, but the newspapers uh just hound in on London. So, what's a flagellation brothel, Baz? What the fuck's flagellation?

SPEAKER_02 27:42

I won't say you flag, you you flange is where I'm going with flagellation.

SPEAKER_06 27:46

You flange? That's an in-between us word.

SPEAKER_04 27:50

Flange.

SPEAKER_06 27:51

Plunge, flange, minge.

SPEAKER_04 27:53

Um flagell.

SPEAKER_06 27:56

Flagellation. Have you never heard of self flagellation?

SPEAKER_02 28:01

That's in your own.

unknown 28:04

No.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

Ah, I never come with an F. What's going on anymore? She puts me on the spot. She knows me behind goes. I'd do the back in.

SPEAKER_06 28:18

I don't know what we tell them. Oh yeah. There's some massive problems of that.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

I've tried.

SPEAKER_06 28:23

Have you?

SPEAKER_02 28:24

Find me a bloke that hasn't. Find me a bloke that's prepared to admit it there's a difference on that. Yeah, I've tried, but I can't.

SPEAKER_06 28:30

You can't do it. Just it's just not quite long enough.

SPEAKER_02 28:34

The head's too far away from if if I mean it's good, though. It's not that good. It's not down to my knees.

SPEAKER_06 28:40

But not even the tip. If you stuck your tongue down, could you like it?

SPEAKER_02 28:43

No, it's like no. I need a joint in my back. Just don't quite Pilates and yoga.

SPEAKER_06 28:50

That'll get your lip wood up, you'd be stuck in your own cock at no time.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

Remember, Rum wants to fuck me for four weeks if you think I'm gonna start doing Party.

SPEAKER_06 28:56

Hey, listen, if you're gonna if the end goal was a blowjob by yourself with your own skills, mate.

SPEAKER_02 29:05

So you have a little go of these things, and it's just not happening.

SPEAKER_06 29:08

If I had a penis, if I had a hammer, if I had a penis, I'd wank in the morning, I'd wank all evening, all over this house.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

No, I wouldn't go out. Blokes had boobs and honey, we would not leave the house.

SPEAKER_06 29:25

No, I I've said often I just want a penis for a day. You have just to know what it feels like to have an erection and to to wank and splooch. I just want to I just want to see it coming out. Make sure I'm still recording. I want to see it coming out, splooch, yeah. I want to see how far I can do it. Do you know what have I been recording all this time?

SPEAKER_02 29:48

Anyway, flagellation! That's the one, flagellation.

SPEAKER_06 29:52

What do I do? What do I do with the dominatrix? You whip people and you I whack people. So self-flagellation. Uh some priests have been known to do it. Self-flagellation.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

What shit they do with the feathers.

SPEAKER_06 30:07

So this?

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Like how this? Yes, I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_06 30:12

Yes. So flagellation brothels are basically dungeon houses. Why didn't you just say that? Because it was it was flagellation brothels in 1888. They didn't call them dungeons. They called them flagellation brothers.

SPEAKER_02 30:27

They didn't want to get too confused.

SPEAKER_06 30:29

Yeah. So, well, yeah, exactly. Tower of London and all that. Anyway, so it sounds quite formal, the flagellation brothel, but it wasn't, it was literally just a brothel where people could go and have sex or they can go and get beaten up. But the newspapers got onto it and they're describing the places in suspicious detail, making it sound a little bit more than it was. Disciplinary rooms, punishment, apparatus, and strict strict governesses. Now, okay, they did have these things, but the way they said it was like very sensationalised. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:04

And they described them using canes, whips, and humiliation on wealthy clients paying to be corrected.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

That still happens now.

SPEAKER_06 31:14

Yes, it does. Because I do it.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

Yeah. The wealthy ones and the well good jobs. That's how shit that English, the well good jobs. The well good jobs. Yeah. Like the well-to-do, the high.

SPEAKER_06 31:25

Well, it's people that got a few quits. And it's people that are in um stressful, high positions, jobs. Yeah. And they just come to you for a little bit of stress relief. Yeah. Basically. And uh it hasn't changed because I've talked about a dominatrix before. I don't know whether you were on the podcast when I actually brought it up last time. Uh Teresa Berkeley. No, no, no. Wasn't you, it might have been Andy. And she was arguably one of the first, if not the first, um, professional dominatrix that we know in the UK. And she was one of the people that was running one of these flagellation brothels, and she was an inspiration for me. I've known about her donkey as years. Yeah. Um, and she got away with it much more than others, and we think it's because she had connections with judges and police and officials and stuff like that. So, whereas other flagellation brothels were getting raided, Teresa Berkeley's place wasn't maybe on odd occasions when the police and judges and that weren't he was going to be there and nothing was going to happen. And she got a bit of a uh you know a slap on the wrist and then she just carried on. And they got a little discount, and the rest of them were getting closed, left, right, and centre.

unknown 32:32

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 32:32

Yeah. So, yes, around this time, May 1888, there was this mini moral panic because these establishments were popping up everywhere. And the newspapers thought they'd make a juicy story out of it because we all love a little bit of filth. So I've brought a bag.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

I've never seen the bag, terrified by the bag.

SPEAKER_06 32:50

Yeah, and it's a bag of stuff, and you as a vanilla who's not into BDSM. Yeah, I want you to put your hand in the bag and pick something out and tell me what you think you'd do with it and what it is. Like a little lucky dip. Keep the bag that way so we don't advertise who's on the other side of the bag. Okay, so stick your hand in there.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Oh, I don't even like the feel of it.

SPEAKER_06 33:17

One that's a there's a sharpening in there as well, so.

SPEAKER_02 33:19

Oh, it's a fun. I mean that's pretty self-explanatory, is it not?

SPEAKER_06 33:23

Okay, so what what do you think we do with this?

SPEAKER_02 33:28

I would say you make people wear it so they can't use their hands.

SPEAKER_06 33:32

Right, do you know what? That's really, really interesting because there's some other things in there. It's sort of riper it's not, but along the right lines. So let's get the bits out.

SPEAKER_05 33:48

So we've got these as well.

SPEAKER_06 33:53

So for those who aren't watching, because I keep forgetting this, for those who aren't watching, we're digging this bag of tricks out, and Baz has just pulled out. It would work. Yes. I don't think they're very comfortable though. I don't know. I've got something like that. You've got the arm. Stick your hand around that and pretend it's a penis. I think that'll work, you know. So what we would do, oh, I haven't told anybody. So Baz has got a pair of box and gloves, and you thought that you'd make the sub wear those so they couldn't move.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

Yeah, so they can't use the hands.

SPEAKER_06 34:28

So you're on the right lines. What we do instead is we wear the we give these to the submissives. So they're like little mitts. Okay, so again for those who aren't watching, um, Baz has got red box and gloves, just normal box and gloves, weighted, aren't they? They're quite heavy on the end and hard. And I'm housing leather mitts. So they're like a box and glove, um, but they've got like a buckle around the wrist. Nice little plate there. So you put the hand in, buckle them in dead, dead tight.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

These have got a bit of movement.

SPEAKER_06 34:58

You can also, when they're wearing two, they've got a D-ring on both of them, so you can put them together. So not only can they not use the hands because they're literally immobile in there, but you can put the hands together as well. So I would put that on the submissive instead.

SPEAKER_04 35:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:13

Yeah. And I tie them together so they can't move the hands, and then I would put the box and gloves on, and I'd make them run around the room, and I'd fucking try and catch them and punch them with the with the back with the box and gloves, and they can't punch back. So that's what I'd do with them.

unknown 35:30

Fucking hell.

SPEAKER_06 35:30

So you're nearly right then. I'm nearly there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:33

Oh, it makes a heart.

SPEAKER_06 35:34

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

And a nicer note. We're going again.

SPEAKER_06 35:38

We're going again. There's something quite sharp in there, so just be careful. If it feels like sharp and spiky prickly, just be careful. You've actually got your eyes closed as well. You take this really, really seriously.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

Hang on.

SPEAKER_06 35:52

Fucking hell, you think you're pulling out? Okay. You could take both of those if you want.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

We'll go with these, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:58

Okay. So, first of all, the one on your right hand.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

The butter knife.

SPEAKER_06 36:03

It's a it's actually an icing thing. Yeah. So what would I use that for?

SPEAKER_02 36:10

I would say because it's cold.

SPEAKER_06 36:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Are you whack people with it?

SPEAKER_06 36:19

Yeah, I do. But what else? It's actually quite stingy.

SPEAKER_02 36:22

Can you hold their tongue down with it? Yeah. Like in a dentist. Yeah. I'm not gonna say you you don't know, you don't.

SPEAKER_06 36:31

I don't interface any uh no. I could see what your brain was doing, then you were like that going, what could I do with that?

SPEAKER_02 36:37

Honestly, I am apart from just slapping it across, maybe Yes. Okay, so I'm trying to think of a way to say that that's Facebook friendly, but we don't really care, do we? So we're not on Facebook. You can probably like whack people in the family with it or because I bet you that on the bit of lube or something, make it fuck off lube. No, because make it like slap water.

SPEAKER_06 37:00

Yeah. So uh it is a cake icing knife, um, and it's warm at the moment, but I would normally stick that in a pint glass of ice first of all. So if you're sitting in there while my scene is ongoing, and then just like hold it on their back or something. Well, normally going ah because I think so. I'd be whacking the arse or something with a cane, um, and then once it's nice and hot, I'd then stick that on a cold. Or I might go whack and leave it on so you get the the hiss and then the cold afterwards. Yeah. Also with a cold, um, uh-huh. If somebody is pissing me off, brassing or whatever, I'll just hold it under the bollocks, really, really, really, really cold and press, keep pressing until the yeah, back down. Also, pretty good for nipples as well, because the end nice and cold, little tap on the nipple or a pressure on the nipple. Yes, it's a good humiliation tool for holding the tongue down, but you've got to be careful because it's long, it's a bit difficult to uh manoeuvre, if you like. But mainly it's a hissy and uh a sensation thing.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

The cold was the first thing I picked up on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:11

You can also, you've got to be careful, it's not sharp, so it's okay. Once I've been whacking somebody, you can dig it into a bum cheek and do that, like a Chinese burn. Yeah? So you can do that on the on the bum cheek or on a boob or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:29

I can try it on you if you like.

SPEAKER_01 38:31

I know.

SPEAKER_06 38:32

I've just got an inventive imagination. Most fetishists have got uh an evil imagination. So, okay, what have you got there?

SPEAKER_02 38:40

This one I think is pretty straightforward. Okay, what do you think it is? That's I'm gonna say that's horsehair.

SPEAKER_06 38:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

And it's just a horse hair flower.

SPEAKER_06 38:48

It is. So, nice and easy.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

Which actually I've used, I've been flogged. Have you? Yeah, I actually. They looked, when I first seen it, it looked scary, but it sounded horrible. It doesn't feel anything like what it looks like.

SPEAKER_05 39:03

It's a little bit stingy.

SPEAKER_02 39:05

But because there's so many of them, it's quite nice. Yeah. It's strange, it's it's so this is a nice one.

SPEAKER_06 39:15

Some of them are quite short and a little bit stingy. This has still got a sting, but it's quite a um a thick mane, isn't it? So yeah. So for those who aren't watching, we've got a handle of about um a foot and about 14 inches, yeah, 16 inches. And then at the outsprouting out the end, it was is a horsehair, uh tail. Actually, it's not a mane, it's a tail. It's a horse tail. Um, and you have to be careful with these because they can trap moisture and uh they can go nasty pretty quickly. So if you've got a horse hair, you need to air them quite regularly and not keep them somewhere damp. Anyway, yes, it's a flogger, and it's a good warmy uppy one. It's stingy, uh, it flies around nicely, nice and slow. They're nice and it's not doesn't really hurt. Just nice.

SPEAKER_05 40:05

Just nice.

SPEAKER_06 40:07

And you can stroke it. You can stroke it. That I think would be nice. Yeah? But also because it's it's horse hair, it's quite coarse, it has got a sting as well. So literally on a bollock or uh or or a a a tip of a penis, like that. Yeah, yeah, nice. Okay, good, next. It's like a secret centre.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

It is, isn't it? Oh no.

SPEAKER_06 40:35

Oh yeah, pulls a couple of things out there. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

Shit now, Mary Poppins if you're gonna get it.

SPEAKER_06 40:41

Uh-huh. So what's that? So uh uh batter's held enough. Um leather. Looks like belts. What is it?

SPEAKER_02 40:50

Hang on, therefore. I'm gonna say Does that go around your neck?

SPEAKER_05 40:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 40:59

Probably the other way, and then your arms okay, you can do it both ways.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

We can put your arms through that.

SPEAKER_06 41:07

It'd be wrists. Wrists. Yeah, same thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

So very, very good.

SPEAKER_06 41:13

So, baths is holding up. Um, it can go either way. It's good on the back, to be honest. It depends you can use it back or front. If you've got somebody who's maybe not quite as experienced with bondage, you can um put the collar on and the straps on the front, or you can put it on the back for somebody a bit more experienced.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

I probably shouldn't do this in your company.

SPEAKER_06 41:35

I'm not going to do pounce on you, it's okay. So you just put your wrists through there, or you can put it on the back and then put your hands round the back.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

And I think that that because that way I'd just be like I'd just put this.

SPEAKER_06 41:48

Yeah, yeah. But if I had somebody like that, I'd also have something underneath to attach them to. Yeah. So they'd be bent over. So it's sort of like a humbler, in a way, like a leather humbler, whereby the uh wrists and the neck are in bondage and attached. Um, and um, I've used it quite a lot. I like to lead people around the room. I've actually had somebody on the floor on the front and picked them up from the yeah. Okay, I mean not like right up, but you know, lifted them up. It's like a means of like control as well. Yeah. So that they give over control by using it. Okay, next, let's have another one. I love that you're closing your eyes.

SPEAKER_02 42:38

Oh, that looks like nasty. Is that a fibre optic?

SPEAKER_06 42:42

Yeah. So I've talked about these quite a lot. So this is a short one, it's only a three-foot one, but I've got six foot ones as well. And these are the things that I um do my scenes with. I've talked about them quite a lot. Yeah. So the three-foot one is really easy to manoeuvre. I don't want to put the six-foot one in there. No, I only put the short ones in there. They do sting, yeah, they sting quite a lot. Yeah. Um, but you know, when you're swizzing them around, they just look really, really, really effective. So for the game, for those who aren't watching, we've got a short, like five-inch handle, and then there's like multi-fibre optics coming out the end of it, and the you can change the colours, they'll go through a colour combination, or you can keep it on one colour. So when I did my scene, I did it on purple and green, because that's the pattern cell colours, obviously. And they're great for like um like showmanship type stuff. Can't do it here because we haven't got enough room. Try and do it in our confined space without hitting buzz. That's fucking professional that baby. It's like shit. Fucking space, eh? I am doing that in that little space. Rock you know.

unknown 43:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 43:51

I'll get you back.

SPEAKER_06 43:53

Are you needing boss lightsabers or have you? You know, I mean you couldn't kill somebody, but you could wrap it round the neck. So there you go. So these are floggers, but they are also they're um like the balesque dancer type things, balesque performers use them, and they like wrap them round their body. Because like I say, I've got six foot ones, and you wrap it round your body, and they'll yeah, they're very, very good. Just keep your finger on it. Okay, mate, go on, let's have another one.

SPEAKER_02 44:21

Ow.

SPEAKER_06 44:21

That gosh, that might have been the thing that said be careful. Oh I have actually shown this before the pattercell, but I don't think you've seen it.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

That's a stake tenderiser. It's very sharp.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

And I'm holding it. Watch your fingers on that. Yeah, that's what it'll be, I know. It literally would stab you.

SPEAKER_06 44:39

So what am I gonna use that for?

SPEAKER_02 44:40

Stabbing people, obviously.

SPEAKER_06 44:42

No.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

You've all cured them.

SPEAKER_06 44:43

No, I'm I've done stab anybody. Yeah. And what else do you think? What else could you think if I do with that? So it's it's for sensation. I might just describe it for people. So we've got um it's like a steak tenderiser. So you're like things that you like put holes in steak with or meat. And it's very, very, very, very sharp. It's got a black handle with like a little metal bit in the middle of the handle. I use that for sensation for like running up and down the skin, because you can't really like point it down, you'd literally puncture the skin. But what else would I use that for? Do you think? Think about what it's made of metal.

SPEAKER_02 45:18

Oh, you'd electrocute it. I'd electrify it, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:24

I'm such a cunt. So, um obviously it's it, the it's plastic with the metal, but you've got the metal handle. You literally just a little bit of copper wire, a bit of copper wire from the handle to the um, I call them fingers, the points, and that will mildly uh if you then hold a violet wand, it would mildly electrify it. So you'd be trailing it along the skin, but also we get like a little sizzle at the same time. So you can see why it'd be nice on the skin. Yeah, yeah. You just gotta be careful with it though, because you can't open skin.

SPEAKER_02 45:55

Well, yeah, because it literally puts holes in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:57

Imagine that on skin that I've been beating for a little while, dead hot and sensitised, and you put that on. Also, you can stick that in a glass of ice as well, so it's cold and sharp.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

You could do half and half.

SPEAKER_06 46:08

You could do half and half.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

Half and cold, half and hot, just to really.

SPEAKER_06 46:12

Yeah, just not boiling hot though. Safety and all that kind of thing, you know. Yeah. Right, what else is in there before we carry on? Oh, get that out. The bag. Because we haven't got time to watch out. So get it out and see what it is. Tell everybody what you think it is.

SPEAKER_02 46:30

It looks like K-tape.

SPEAKER_06 46:32

It's a vet tape or um vet wrapper.

SPEAKER_02 46:35

Yeah, on your dog focus legs.

SPEAKER_06 46:37

Yeah. And we've got lots of different colours purple, pink, orange, green. Obviously, there's purple and green in there. Some of it I haven't used yet, obviously. So, what would I use this for? And not to pop people back together again after I've sliced them up or maimed them.

SPEAKER_02 46:50

I'm gonna say you'd use it to bind them together, yeah. Hands or legs, because they can't just rip it out because it's it's gonna need scissors to get through.

SPEAKER_05 46:59

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

Rand the gob, shut them up.

SPEAKER_05 47:01

Yeah. So you you could be a big bad dominant, you could be, but I'm too kind. I've been like oh sorry. Yeah, you have to polynomize afterwards, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 47:11

So let me just show the folks. So for those who aren't watching, um it's basically vet wrap. So if you've got uh an animal who's ever had surgery or a broken leg, um it's like um a sticky bandage. Uh but this is dead cheap. I got this so so cheap. I think I got it off She. Wow, yeah, or somewhere like that. She move. Yeah. Now this is it's not super sticky. So I literally it's not it's not sticking, but it sticks to itself. So this is why it's got multifunctional purposes in BDSM. So I like it because you can uh put somebody in bondage dead quick on the go. So if you're in the park, for instance, and you have a little outdoor scene and you're like, give us your wrists, stick your wrists down. Oh what? There's literally in seconds you've got somebody in bondage. That's actually now this is my demo once, so it's it has stuck a little bit, but not too much. I wouldn't use one of the other ones on y'all, I'd need scissors to get it off. That was like yeah, but it's quite tight, isn't it? It's like very quick. Yeah, two seconds.

SPEAKER_02 48:13

But if it was normal tape out, I'd have gone.

SPEAKER_06 48:15

And it rips. So if you need to get somebody out of it quick, you kind of just go and rip it, or just keep some bondage scissors. But I like because they're pretty colours. So if somebody, because there's a lot of fetishists out there that are aesthetic, they like certain colours, the kit is a certain colour, for instance. A lot of mine's purple and green. Obviously, got orange there, yeah. So, uh, all the different colours, it's you can stick it in your back pocket, so it's bondage on the go. It's easy to get people out of it. Like you said before, you can put it on the bondage on the go, yeah. Uh you can put it round somebody's mouth, yeah. They can breathe through it because it's fabric. That's a good one. Uh, and as you're putting it round, it's not going to like stick to all the hairs and like you know, wax them because it's not that sticky. It does stick, but it's not that bad, it more sticks to itself. Yeah. So that's why I love it. Bondage on the go. There you go. Right, how long have we got fast?

SPEAKER_00 49:08

Another 10 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_06 49:09

Have we? Right, do you want to give us the the far buzzer?

SPEAKER_00 49:14

Well it now.

SPEAKER_06 49:14

Yeah, now. Thank you. That's about 10 minutes. Right, we're gonna do a little lady lobosomy and then a very quick fetish factoid. So the lady lobosomy, I love it, because um this person is called, hang on, they call themselves the unicorn, age 36. But on their message, they put little unicorns on. So, hang on, I'm not gonna show you that one because that'll give away the fetish factoid. But you can see the little unicorn that's on the email. Anyway. So it's only a short one, which I quite liked because some of them are long. You can send the long one though, it's absolutely fine. Yeah, I like them, send them in. Dear Lady Loboshmi, that I am a unicorn, that rare and beautiful creature in the kink world, the single woman. As much as I enjoy being the single woman in play dynamics as I'm a switch and bisexual, it makes for an interesting experience, but it has its toll. I want my person. So, to the root of my question: how do I broach the subject with a potential new partner? And that, as far as I know, isn't in the lifestyle. So basically, this person is single, they're into kink, uh, they're a switch and they're bisexual. Um, and by the sounds of it, they need some um advice on how they broach the fact that they're into kink with somebody who isn't in the lifestyle.

SPEAKER_01 50:46

That's difficult.

SPEAKER_06 50:47

Well, you're not into kink as such, are you? So let's say if somebody's swing or something like that. But let's say it's kink though. Yeah. Because you're not into it. No, no. So let's say you met somebody, which I'd love for you one day, by the way. I'd love for you to be out. Anyway. Anyway. Anyway, rather than just being a dad of all them fucking kids. So let's say you met somebody.

SPEAKER_04 51:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:10

And they were really quite heavily into kink. Let's say they're bisexual, it doesn't really matter as such uh for you, but uh and they they switch both ways, they'd they'll they'll be a dominant and they'll be a submissive, but you're not really into it. What would you do if they said, you know, at second date? Do you know I've got something to tell you? I'm a little bit kinky, I'm into like kinky stuff.

SPEAKER_02 51:31

I probably want to know more.

SPEAKER_06 51:32

You'd be curious, would you?

SPEAKER_02 51:35

I probably would, because I'd be like, okay, well, I I don't know. I mean, I know a bit about it, but let's say I knew nothing about it. I know nothing of that world. But if you're on a second date, you obviously like them in the first place. Because you've gone back for a second one, so I would be like asked questions. Yeah, I'd probably say, like, well, don't be doing any of that to me. I'm not completely against it until I understand it. And then it just it would I'd probably actually start annoying them by just asking them so many questions.

SPEAKER_06 52:03

Okay. So you'd be quite open about it. Yeah. And I mean, obviously you're quite open-minded anyway. I think even if somebody was like really, really, really vanilla, okay, maybe not somebody who goes to church and stuff, but you know, vanilla. I think if you just it's how you approach the subject, isn't it? It's you're not going to approach the subject for the very first time and say, you know, by the way, every now and then this like dominatrix comes out of me. And I like to beat people around.

SPEAKER_02 52:30

But I think a lot of it comes out naturally in conversation when you're getting to know someone. She wants 36, you say 38.

SPEAKER_06 52:35

36.

SPEAKER_02 52:36

Led a bit of a life. So there'll be questions about what do you like? Not necessarily sexual, but just even what films do you like, throw in a few little kinky fingers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 52:45

And see what response you get. So that's a good idea. You you came up with a boss idea last time as well. Should be dear Barry, never mind, dear Lady La Boss. I mean, that's a good idea. So if it's somebody who you're not sure is open-minded like our baz, they could be completely vanilla. Take his advice, and maybe as you're getting to know each other and you're asking you, you know, do you like to read? Yeah. That kind of thing. I like to read Fifty Shades of Grey. I mean, I don't, it's fucking shine. Or films, kink type films. It could be Fifty Shades of Grey, the film. It could be like uh Preaching to the Perverses, which is a really, really, really old one. Or it could be you start talking about things that you want to experiment or things that you've done in the past, you sort of throw some miles, little bit of tie- and tease, and see what response you get.

SPEAKER_02 53:34

Have you ever been blindfolded? Ever been blindfolded?

SPEAKER_06 53:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:37

Because then you might be like, Well, just blindfolded.

SPEAKER_06 53:40

Exactly. You could be like, Oh, well, I've done a bit more than that. And it could open up the conversation, you never know. You might actually have found something into kink as well. Yeah. Or at the very, very best, or very least, sorry, somebody who's like, Well, I've done a bit of blindfold, wouldn't mind trying that again.

SPEAKER_04 53:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 53:54

You know, it doesn't mean to them or you that you're like, oh great, get your kit bag out next time you meet up. It means okay, we've got something a bit open-minded, eh? And we've got something in common.

SPEAKER_02 54:03

But you start conversations by just learning about each other.

SPEAKER_06 54:06

Yeah, exactly. We do anyway, don't you?

SPEAKER_02 54:08

Yeah, you do, yeah. So a lot of it will just come up in the conversation.

SPEAKER_06 54:10

I mean, kink isn't the first thing that you talk about, but if you bring it in subtly in other ways of like, like I say, reading films and all that kind of thing, gauge their response to when you tell them I quite like Fitty Shades of Grey. If you go, Oh, uh, oh, right, something.

SPEAKER_04 54:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:28

Then you know that maybe it's a bit uncomfortable for them right now, might not be forever.

SPEAKER_04 54:32

No.

SPEAKER_06 54:32

Right, right now. But if they go, oh, I read that, it's not like the real thing, it's shite. You know, oh, okay, they've got a bit of experience because they know it's not the real thing. So it's a way of asking the right questions to get a bit of info to see if the person is like you know, compatible on that level.

SPEAKER_04 54:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:48

And you know what? Even if they're not, they're not at all, it doesn't mean they're not going to be forever. It could be that you know, as you go further along on the journey, they might want to experiment in things and they might be more open-minded than even they realise. Because some people don't know what they don't know.

SPEAKER_02 55:03

If you were to say, we use 50 shades as an example because everybody in the world knows it because it did so well.

SPEAKER_05 55:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:09

So if you were to use that, if they were like, you said, Oh, I quite like 50 shades, or read that book, if they recoil in disgust and go, Oh my god, I'm not having anything to do, that tells you that they're probably not going to be your person. Yeah. If they go, Oh, that was shit, wasn't it? If you're not read this one, suddenly you know that they've got a little bit of insight too.

SPEAKER_05 55:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:28

But they're keeping it secret as well because you're out there trying to date in the real world, maybe not revealing everything, chances are they might not be revealing everything as well. Exactly. You could, like you said, you just gravitate to peep to your people.

SPEAKER_06 55:42

You do. I mean it's really it's a really shit film, but it is so mainstream, it's an easy one, isn't it? It had good idea, that had the nation making it. Really good idea to approach it that. But you know, if uh like I said before though, if it's like a it doesn't mean it's like ooh forever, because relationships evolved, don't they?

SPEAKER_02 56:00

If it in another, if I was this person that didn't know anything, my reaction would have been, I know about it, but I've done it. Why was it like yeah?

SPEAKER_06 56:07

Tell me more.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 56:08

And you know what, you might find that it's a topic of conversation, a really interesting topic of conversation, but also it helps you gauge the actual type of person as well by the responses. So it could be that you've got something who's a bit shy, a bit like, oh, could be somebody's on board, but you might have someone who's a bit overkeen.

SPEAKER_02 56:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 56:26

So it's like it could be, oh yeah, I've done that, I've done this, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that red flag. Yeah, it could be a way of wheedling out the red flags as well.

SPEAKER_04 56:35

Could be.

SPEAKER_06 56:35

Yeah. It's a really good suggestion, that's with um bringing in other questions that lead into. Yeah. I like it. I hope that's helped. Uh, you didn't give me your name, but you just called yourself the unicorn with really lovely unicorns on the on the email. You can't you just don't know how much I appreciated the unicorns.

unknown 56:53

Blessed.

SPEAKER_06 56:54

Yeah. So I know, I'm so simple. Before we go, we're gonna do a fetish factoid.

SPEAKER_05 57:01

So do you know the muffin man? The muffin man! He lives on Drew Lane Which is so childish.

SPEAKER_06 57:12

I know. Anyway, do you know what? A Bosnian seesaw is Oh fucking hell.

SPEAKER_02 57:20

A Bosnian seesaw It's a sexual It's a fetish thing, yeah, because I'm already thinking Yeah, it's not a seesaw that is from Bosnia. Does it penetrate two people?

SPEAKER_05 57:35

Elaborate.

SPEAKER_02 57:37

I'm thinking along the lines of a seesaw with phallic attachments.

SPEAKER_05 57:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 57:43

And you could have a woman or man just loop up either side. You go you go down, it pushes them up, and you basically end up seesawing and shagging each other.

SPEAKER_06 57:55

So I've let you go on there now.

SPEAKER_02 57:57

Oh fucking again. I'm having pictures in my head and everything now. I've just invented it.

SPEAKER_06 58:05

Well, there you go. Draw it out and you go in, paint it. So you're on the like right lines when you said penetrating two people at once. So you're on the right lines, but it doesn't actually involve a seesaw. That's where you stumble. You are too literal with the seesaw. So a Bosnian seesaw is when a man wants to pleasure two women at once, and he'll wear a strap on backwards, and he'll go on top of a woman and penetrate with his penis, while a woman comes behind him and penetrate, and he but as he's going up, he's fucking air behind with the strap on. As he goes down, he's fucking air with his penis. So it's it's penis strap on, penis strap on, penis strap on. Like that.

SPEAKER_02 58:51

Like a pirate ship.

SPEAKER_06 58:53

Okay, maybe I'm I'm doing it wrong.

SPEAKER_02 58:56

I've got the image putting it.

SPEAKER_06 58:57

Yeah, so the Bosnian seesaw is when a man wears a strap on backwards so he can fuck a woman from behind, behind him, and a woman in front of him. Will you have a go with that?

SPEAKER_02 59:08

No. Oh.

SPEAKER_06 59:09

Why? Too athletic?

SPEAKER_02 59:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 59:11

No, just too much effort.

SPEAKER_02 59:12

Well, I'd I'd feel like I've neglecting the one on my back. Because you wouldn't be able to feel that. There'd be no sensation.

SPEAKER_06 59:19

You'd probably you'd you'd know from the noises if it was working. Yeah. Don't forget, you're up and down like that, aren't you? So you're not really putting in any extra graft. It's like it's double the results for the same amount of graft.

SPEAKER_02 59:33

You'd be like, oh, sitting on me and squashed me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 59:36

You wouldn't want to be sandwiched between two ladies. What's wrong with you?

SPEAKER_02 59:42

It's just like, I don't know, I can't. I don't think I get any enjoyment out of someone shagging me back.

SPEAKER_06 59:50

No, but your penis is getting pleasure by by shagging the lady. We didn't do that without a dildo on my back. Okay. Okay, it just ruins that completely. You'll never make a porn star, you because you pay me, yeah. We'll crack on. I'm okay. The enjoyment doesn't matter, just give me the bonger. I don't know, I just think.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:09

There's better ways to achieve penetrating two women at the same time. Just have them next to you and hold it.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:17

No, but you can't penetrate at the same time if he's next to you. This is the idea, isn't it? You're doing the it's getting double the results out of what the same amount of effort. So up down, up down, up down, up down. I mean it'd be a bit of concentration involved, but I'm sure she's not gonna be passive, she's not gonna be like straddling them. But then the woman that's gonna be a big deal. She'll be fucking humping as well, yeah, exactly. It's gonna be a team effort. It's not gonna and the one lying down's just gonna be able to just lie down, ah, she's gonna have to go for it as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:42

She's probably gonna have to hold the knees of the one on the back because otherwise she's yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:46

So everyone's gonna have to play an active part in the Bosnian seesaw.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:49

I'm worn out here.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:51

Someone's sweat at the beginning, wasn't I? Jesus. You're not you're on Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:55

No, I'm not sold on that one. I try a lot of things in my life, but I just don't.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:00

Would you try a Bosnian seesaw? I don't know whether I'd I'd want to be one of the ladies, maybe. Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:08

You'd probably want to be the one on the back so you can look at the one on Maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:13

Maybe. When when I said before that you wouldn't want to be sandwiched between two ladies, I was actually thinking it's hard enough pleasure in one lady.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:22

It is. Imagine having the pleasure too. Oh, I can't really imagine.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:26

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:27

Don't need to imagine that I'm not saying anything more about that. But it's it's not easy. No. It's difficult. Share the love and all of her.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:36

Well, a lot of it's so sort of like it's visual. You you take a lot of it's well, no, they're behind you.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:42

Do in front of a mirror? Riding your back like a fucking tortoise, isn't it?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:45

You can do it in front of the mirror.

unknown 1:01:47

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:48

I think we're just reading too much into this. I don't think I was a soldier on this, are we, really? No.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:52

It just doesn't sound like it sounds like a lot of faff and all.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:54

You're not sold because it's effort.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:56

And it just sounds like a lot of messing about.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:58

A lot of messing around, and I'm not sold because I know how hard it is to pleasure two women or more at the same time. And it's it's hard.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:07

I think what does the woman on the back get out of it? She gets a dildo.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:12

And that's that. Why does she need to stress about where she puts her feet? Because if she falls, she's going to squash two people. It's just a lot of messing around to shag yourself with a dildo. Just lie on the bed and be comfy while you do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:23

But again, if she was porn star getting paid for it, you'd then do it, wouldn't you? Yeah, it's porn star getting paid for it. Just to say you've done a Bosnian seesaw.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:29

I mean, practical wise, in townhouse, imagine somebody trying to do a Bosnian seesaw. I mean, just get the strap one on backwards would be a mean feat for most guys, to be honest with you. Like, where do I put the straps? It's not gonna like trap me knob. Exactly. Yeah, just effort that for guys. This is like guys, anything to do with sex. If it's effort, like that, like take like thought or remembrance, something. No, you're shit. No, it's like remember it's like it's like relying on guys to remember to take the pill. I would never do that because it'd forget it's efforts, it doesn't affect them.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:00

That's not necessarily true.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:04

Take the base.

unknown 1:03:05

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:05

I wanted him to go, fuck right off!

SPEAKER_05 1:03:08

You're just dead calm then. No, because I'm like, because you so blokes wouldn't remember to take the pill. No, they wouldn't. No, they wouldn't.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:15

But you put I think blokes put more graft in during sex. Yeah. I mean quite active, but not as much not as active as guys, I don't think.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:22

You have to be. But when I say about the effort, it is just like the coordination and everything. You can't focus on one and on another one behind you. You just it won't work.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:31

The one behind would have to be a bit more.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:33

They're gonna have to do most of the work. They're literally just riding you like a pony.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:37

Okay. So fucking they're on your back like no.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:40

That's where the effort is. I feel like your Bosnian seesaw's been fucking shit all over mate.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:45

I need to make it.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:45

Well I've got a while actually.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:47

You need to go.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:48

You need no, no, I've got a bit of time.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:50

Okay, well we're gonna cut that bit out. Right, so we're gonna go. We are gonna go. Oh, we are gonna have. We're gonna go! Do you try and do the thing?

unknown 1:03:57

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:58

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SPEAKER_06 1:04:13

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