EPISODE 140 - 'That's not me!! Deepfake Porn'

If you don't want spoilers, don't read on!!!! lol 

Episode 140 takes us from shark vomit to AI porn, which feels about right for The Padded Cell Podcast!

This week, Vicky and Baz dive into three very different On This Day stories including the infamous Shark Arm murder case, a deadly 1920s aircraft stunt accident, and the moving story behind the guards at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

Then the episode takes a sharp turn into one of the biggest modern consent issues: deepfake porn!

How easy is it to fake someone’s face onto explicit content? What happens when victims are celebrities, schoolchildren, private individuals or people in public life? And can the law possibly keep up with AI when the technology is moving this quickly?

The episode finishes with a short BDSM Fetish Factoid, which Barry reinvents!! lol 

Expect dark humour and the usual Padded Cell chaos you all return for week after week!!! 

00:00 Intro and opening chaos
04:19 On This Day: 2nd July
05:23 Shark vomit
14:38 Mid air stunt gone wrong
23:01 Tomb of the Unknown Soldier
32:00 Banter, Dad’s Army and food tangents
36:30 Deepfake porn
59:53 Fetish Factoid
01:02:12 Outro

▶︎ Support us on Patreon for bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/ThePaddedCellPodcast

▶︎ www.thepaddedcellpodcast.co.uk
▶︎ www.thepaddedcellpodcast.store

Watch  the podcast on YouTube:

▶︎ YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@ThePaddedCellPodcast

Follow The Padded Cell for more:

▶︎ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61551425184285
▶︎ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thepaddedcell_podcast/?hl=en-gb
▶︎ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@thepaddedcellpodcast


Recorded and Produced by Vicky at The Padded Cell Studios

Ep 1 - 120 recorded at: 

▶︎ Web - http://www.liverpoolpodcaststudios.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Are you having to fall too many of the telephone? You found your people! Your people! I'm at least in the family stupid, really wonderful! I'm those who choose to left the side wonderful. We've all been to strange the call. So if you're a deviant, then you have your platform in the path of cell. Hello and welcome to episode 140 of the Path of Cell Podcast. And today I'm here with a very brown legged Bass.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Do you like my legs?

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Nice, then.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Do you have really good legs? Do you think? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Really good legs? I don't know. Is this maybe you've always had good legs, I've just not noticed, but you've been running, haven't you? Shh. They look toned.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

Secret.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

It's not a secret.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

They're not toned, they're broke, I keep breaking them, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Now you do look more toned. Do you feel fitter?

SPEAKER_02 1:13

I don't and I do.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

You don't and you do.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

Yeah, it's hard to describe. But I what I can actually do running surprises me each time.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:23

But I think I do feel fair because I just I don't know, I don't get out of breath as much.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

It's really good when you get to the point of like, I've got to stop now because I've got to be X, Y, and Z. But I don't need to stop.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

Yes. But I also keep injuring myself. I've done my golfing again.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

Oh, you haven't.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Yeah, I did it this way.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Oh bad, you're overdoing it. You're stretching yourself too much, or not stretching enough, actually. Bet you're still not stretching.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

I am. You're not, so I can tell. I didn't. I just got cramped, stepped off a curb, got cramped. Took about a week to go. Still hasn't actually gone.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Okay, so we've had this conversation. X runner. Learning from my own fucking injuries.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

Back me up. We learn best from our own mistakes.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

But you haven't because you've had injuries before, you're still not stretching.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

But I didn't push it this time. Last time I pushed it too far and really broke myself. This time it was just a curse. This time I went, oh no, that hurts. I'm gonna stop. I've done this before.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Okay, so you've learned a little okay, a little lesson. That was a little domestic there the first few minutes. So here it is Father's Day.

unknown 2:29

Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

It's Father. Happy Father's Day.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

Happy Dad's Day, Dads.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

I mean, obviously it doesn't mean anything because by the time you see this, Father's Day would have been well gone. Yeah. But I hope you had a nice time if you're a dad, or maybe a dad to a dog, or whatever. If you'd be a dad to anything else, don't know. But you've had little father's day. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

So this is gonna be a beer garden afternoon after here.

unknown 2:53

Because it's well nice.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Oh, it's so nice outside. If you've noticed, I've I'm exposing the arms again. Second time recently. I don't know how we do that, the bad itself. I'm feeling all summery and I've got like legs and everything. And pumps.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

You've got like a skirt on and not jeans.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

Well, normally I have a skirt on. I still have tights underneath. I just don't get my legs out, that's why they're white.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

So you want to get in a sunbed?

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Oh, is this sunbed? Of course it's sunbed. I just thought you were at then again with your job, you don't really get out very much, do you?

SPEAKER_02 3:20

No, I don't. And we do still live in England. We do, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Oh okay, so Costa Del sunbed.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Yeah, a little lucky holiday.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

Oh, lucky holiday. Right then, anyway, so this episode is going out on the 2nd of July.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

Okay. Trying to work out when that is. I'm pretending.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

It's not it's not far away.

SPEAKER_02 3:41

I know what day we're on now. Oh, yeah, 21st. Yeah, it's not.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

You mustn't into yourself.

SPEAKER_02 3:46

Yeah, I am just talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

Right, come on, do you plunger? Oh as well. Oh yeah. You think a little noise at the end of the way? There's actually steam all over the microphone. Almost painful. Oh no, I'm getting quite scared of myself.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

No, I'm gonna come to you as well.

unknown 4:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

Right then, so this is gonna happen the 2nd of July now that Baddy's got it out of his system. Like a little ritual, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 4:25

It is, yes.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

And on this day, a few funny things happened. Well, one funny thing happened that I'm gonna tell you about, but quite a few funny things. And I'm also gonna tell you about an accident and somebody uh remembered in history, but we don't actually know their name.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

Well they're not remembered tonight.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

I'm intrigued, intrigued. So, first of all, I'm taking it in 1935, Sydney, Australia. Lots of. And you're gonna let them we don't because you've just done it. What right, what was the programme years ago? And these are do like a shimmer. What was it?

SPEAKER_02 5:05

Round a twist.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

No, it wasn't that.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

Was it um oh the one with Vic Reeves and Bob Mortimer? And these are do like a shimmer, shimmer, shimmer, shimmer. No, that was no that was different. Dove from above was one of them.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

Wasn't it not that game show, though?

SPEAKER_00 5:19

Yeah, it was that one anyway. But we so let's do it. So we're going back to 1935. Sound effects.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

Wind and everything.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

Well, no, because it's Sydney. We're going to Sydney.

SPEAKER_02 5:35

Okay, it's not very winter.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

No, and it's April, so it's not quite winter, so I think it'll still be okay. So don't need wind, just a shimmer. Okay. And this story begins with a shark.

unknown 5:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

Australia. You know, something deadly. Of course it is. 17th of April 1935, where this starts. And a fisherman, of course, a large tiger shark. About four metres long. They're big, aren't they? Jim's always gonna know about how big they are. Uh, off the coast of Sydney. Anyway, rather than killing it, they sold it to the owners of uh a newly opened aquarium. I think it's called the Kooji Aquarium Bats, popular little seaside attraction. And the shark instantly pulls in a crowd. Everybody's fascinated with this shark. I mean it's four metres long. Six days later, on the 25th of April, hundreds of visitors were gathered around the tank when the shark suddenly began thrashing violently. I'd be out of dodge. Yeah. So the witnesses described it rolling around and behaving strangely. Then it started vomiting. Shark vomiting. Shark's kind of vomiting. First came a rat, then a bird, and then something far worse.

SPEAKER_02 6:51

Oh, you're not gonna say a foot or something, are you?

SPEAKER_00 6:54

A human arm. The crowd reportedly thought it was a prank at first. Children were crying, adults were stirring in disbelief, or like, is this real? Yeah. But the police were immediately called, so people around realised that actually it wasn't a fake, it wasn't a prank. If the police have been called, it must be a real human arm. Anyway, obviously uh the investigators at first thought that it might have been someone who's been eaten by a shark, but those theories were very quickly squashed because the arm had been cut cleanly. Severed. It wasn't like chewed. So you think it's pirates?

SPEAKER_02 7:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

Okay. What are your theories so far? What do you think this is?

SPEAKER_02 7:42

Pirate got caught stealing on his pirate ship. Captain's gone, we'll have that. Wouldn't he just throw him overboard? Hole. No, because we mine still need him. They're out in the middle of the sea, he's only got a four-man crew.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

Suppose so, suppose so. Cut off his not so is not a non-dominant arm, so he's still useful. Give him a hook. Be a proper pirate.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

Yeah, proper hook. Like a little but he's cut it off, so it'd have to be in the elbow. It'd be good for like hold like a tie back for your curtains.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Just stand there with a tie back.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

It just becomes a human ornament.

SPEAKER_00 8:20

Anyway, so this arm cleanly cut. The arm also contained a distinctive tasso of two boxes fixing. Because fingerprints remain intact after death. A death identi um the texts were able to identify the owner. I didn't think fingerprint analysis was that advanced then. It's not, I don't, it wasn't a dumb thing, but they could still do manual checks and things like that, I think. Anyway, obviously the tattoo as well. So they found who it belonged to, and it was a guy called James Jimmy Smith, a 45-year-old former boxer. So I think they probably started looking in those circles first, anyway, because it was tattoo. He wasn't exactly a model citizen. He'd worked as a police informant and had connections to Sydney's criminal world. So he wasn't a pirate, but he was a bad lad. Yeah. So yeah, along the right path. So the police obviously now called a murder investigation because this guy had gone missing. And you know, the question: how does a shark end up swallowing um an arm from a murder victim? He's obviously being dumped or something, hasn't he? So, anyway, on they go with their investigation. The lead investigator, somebody called Patrick Brady, and um Brady was a forger. Um, sorry, no, I've got that wrong. The lead detective wasn't Brady, sorry. The lead detective uh was led to a guy called Patrick Brady, sorry. And he was a forger and a petty criminal, and witnesses placed Jimmy and Brady together shortly before Jimmy disappeared, so they're like putting two and two together. Police learned that they'd been drinking heavily beforehand, spending a lot of time around the Sydney Harbour. But Brady wasn't the only interesting figure in the story. There's another guy called Reginald Holmes Reggie. And he looked like a respectable kind of guy. Um he owned like a successful speed boat building company. He was wealthy, well connected, but also very uh involved in organised crime.

SPEAKER_02 10:32

Sounds like a lot of people were.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

So police suspected that Holmes and Brady were working together in like insurance fraud schemes, and there's an allegation uh that boats would be insured, deliberately sunk, and then claims made. And Jimmy apparently knew too much about what was happening. And according to investigators, Jimmy had started blackmailing Holmes. Not a wise move, criminal underworld and all that, you know. You'd end out fish food.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Anyway, the theory was that Jimmy wanted to share the money. I don't know what why he wasn't doing anything because part of this, just like, well, I know I know this now, so if you want me to keep the information, you need to pay me off. And he wanted to share. And police believed uh that Brady had killed him and the body was dismembered, and most of it was dumped into the sea, and somehow the arm had ended up being eaten by a shark. Anyway, the case took a turn that nobody expected.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

The sharks just objected him.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Police called Holmes in for questioning, and a few days later, Holmes was found in his car with a gunshot wound to the head. But remarkably, he'd survived. The bullet had glanced off his skull. Anyway, rather than just like recovering and just keeping things quiet. Apparently Holmes climbed into speedboat and led police on a dramatic chase through Sydney Harbour.

unknown 11:56

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

After the gunshot had gone off, people had reported it. Police had gone to the gone to the sea and he'd gone speeding off. Anyway, eventually Holmes surrendered and he changed his story several times, initially denying everything. Later he claimed Brady had shown him at the Jimmy's severed arm, just shown him. Oh by the way, look, that's how we knew all about this. Yeah, look at this, look at what I found. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, um, eventually uh the whole story came tumbling down, and Brady and Holmes were arrested for murder. But the rest of Jimmy's body was never found.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Did they ever say what they'd done with it?

SPEAKER_00 12:35

Exactly what they thought.

SPEAKER_02 12:36

They shot him up and launched it, yeah. Oh be done, would it?

SPEAKER_00 12:40

So the identity of the killer's never been established beyond reasonable doubt, but Brady and Holmes, their stories changed so many times, everything came crumbling down. Brady was seen literally just before you know Jimmy was found, or his arm was found, and when he was when he was believed to have disappeared, it was definitely those two, we think. So they went down for it anyway.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

So they all got collared because some fisherman caught a shark.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

They were fuming with a fisherman.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

Wouldn't you be fuming? The chances of that happening, that the shark eats that arm. You know, as of all the other things a shark could eat in the ocean, yeah, he ate that arm. He, I'm assuming it's a he we'll call him. Steve the shark.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

Ate the arm, right? But then the chances of the shark being coarse and being caught before the arm digested.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

And the shark being shark eating the arm. It's like the old woman swallowed the fly.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

Yeah, they swallowed the fly, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

But she swallowed a shark. The shark swallowed the fit the arm. The fisherman caught the shark. The fisherman sells it to an aquarium.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

Yeah. And then it voms it up in front of a load of kids.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

They didn't have the internet, they just had the local town, and it's all happened within that town. And that's shark. Could have fucked off. It could have swam out a bit and spat the arm out in America. Yeah. No. We'll do it on my doorstep.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Oh mad's that are the chances of that. I mean, if you're the merger, you'd be like that. Well, fuck me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Obviously, the universe had it in for me. You never think you're going to get caught by a shark.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

No, definitely not. So there you go. Imagine though, you know, you're there in the aquarium with your kids and a shark forms off an arm.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

I'm just thinking of it, you think you've got the perfect plan. Got away with it. We fed into the sharks. Like three days later, his arm's been spewed up and he's just. You'd be like, that for fuck's sake, we'd never go in the Sea Life Centre again.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

So the universe the universe definitely has an info, and they're never gonna get away with that murder. Right, another little short one. You ready? Yeah. We're going back even further now. To 1922.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

You have to make it black and white, green.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

I do, yeah. Sepia.

SPEAKER_02 14:53

Yeah. And I just jolt together. Yeah, because behind me.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

I've got black hair again. Anyway, so we're in Illinois in the USA. And aeroplanes around this time were still quite new.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

Yeah. Aerial shows were going on, though. So aviation was still into infancy, and you know, passengers were sort of being carried, but not in the volumes as we see today, you know. Um, it was mainly for shows and and stuff like that, and to maybe break some records, you know, flying across oceans and shit like that. Yeah. Anyway, amongst all of this uh was a stunt man called Louis James. He was an aerial performer and he used to do wing walking and like dangling under planes and shit like that. You know I've done wing walking.

SPEAKER_02 15:42

I know you've done wing walking.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

So it's brilliant, it's absolutely brilliant. But he was doing stunts while he was wing walking. I was just strapped to the thing on the deep spitting and waving at random people that weren't even looking at me. Like claims.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

I don't know how you did that.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

It was amazing. I was literally talking about it the other day, anyway. So this guy was doing that, but he was like, you know, I think he had something on which allowed him to move more, and he was like going upside down and shit like that. So the harness that you're in, it's not like when you're in in like Alton Towers with the thing over your shoulders, it's like a seatbelt on a pole, but his must have been able to move. Actually, he was strapped to it, but maybe it was legs up in the air and all that kind of thing. Yeah, he said good anyway, yeah. So, anyway, he was really good, but his number was up on the 2nd of July 1922. Well no, he wasn't that good, but I think he took a risk on this day. Accidents happened.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

Did he?

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Yeah, I mean, and with things like this no risk, no reward. So no, he didn't get the reward on this day. But when we think about what he's doing, there's a lot of things at play which has probably caused this. Anyway, so how did this happen? He was um there was two aircraft flying side by side, and he was gonna climb down from one plane and down like a ladder, which is gonna be attached to both planes, and he was gonna dangle from them and do stunts and shit like that. Which in itself sounds absolutely ridiculous, and everything could go wrong. So you're in the air, you've got air pressure, you've got wind, wet, and you're like rain, maybe. Um, and then obviously, and then the planes are obviously having to navigate that their movement, so the the ladder is gonna move, and then obviously your self-accidents and and stuff like that. There's so many things that could go wrong. Anyway, there was a crowd below. This is a big air show, big air show, and the crowd watched as James climbed from the aircraft and began manoeuvring between the two planes, and something went horribly wrong. Now, accounts do vary, but all accounts agree that James lost control of the situation and came into contact with one of the aircraft and a spinning propeller struck him.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Oh yeah, that's gonna mince.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

And the accident happened in full view of all them spectators, it was right above them. Because so if you think about it, they go off, don't they, and then they get into position and then they come in in position. So he was already climbing down on the ladders, about to do what he was gonna do as it was coming down, and he lost control, went into the propeller right in front of everybody. Would have been grim that, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_02 18:17

Would have been raining blood.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

I didn't actually think about that when I was reading it. I just thought he'd just be sliced up. I didn't think about all the the juice.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

Yeah, yeah. Lucky he didn't stop the propeller and cash the plane.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

I thought that. Because old planes, but suppose if they're going so fast, done innit?

SPEAKER_02 18:36

Yeah, but birds can do it, can't they, when they have a bird, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Yeah, yeah, I suppose so. Yeah. I mean, unless I mean the propeller struck him, maybe like it struck him and and sliced him and then he went flying off or something, you know, because the accounts do say that you definitely got caught the propeller and he was chopped up, but it doesn't go into any more detail. Those accounts vary on was there anything left of him?

SPEAKER_02 18:56

It doesn't take much to chop up, all you do is one chop across the neck. There's your head gone, you're chopped up. Yeah. Doesn't have to be fully final destination, like what we've got.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Oh love final destination. Did you bring another one out today here?

SPEAKER_02 19:06

Do you know that that categorical film, don't you?

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Sorry, I forgot that you were.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

You're more likely to know anything. Fuck's sake. The Toy Story's out, that's me. I love Toy Story. That's my genre. Fucking final destination.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

Okay, so we won't talk about horror. Do you know what I'm actually telling you? This as well, you don't like stuff like this, Gore.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

No, I don't mind real stuff.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

Oh, okay, so it's just like it's pretend, but that could be real.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

Okay, yeah. I get ya. I get ya, it's more psychological.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Yeah. Because it's like I know it's I know it's not real, but this really could happen. But that freaks me out.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

Yeah. And then you're planting this seed of this might actually happen. They just give fucking serial killers ideas. Can you pack it in with the horror movies?

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Yeah, they do. You do.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

It's just it's not big and it's not clever.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

No. So, anyway, obviously the um the display ended instantly. Of course it did. It's not going to carry on after someone just being chopped up. But actually, um, they thought at the time this would detract people from going to these sort of displays, but it didn't actually. No. Instead, people would swarm to these displays because we are sicko's, and uh where there's always a chance of something going wrong, you want to see this brilliance, this skill, but there's always an edge of danger, something could go wrong. And even you don't really want to see it, I do want to see it, there's always that macabre thing around it. So, yes, actually, um, it brought in crowds, and uh, throughout the 1920s, and 30s, uh, this whole you know, wing walking, hanging from ropes, transferring between aircraft and all that, it became absolutely massive, and we did see it in films and stuff like that over the years, it carried on. Nut, isn't it? It's crazy. Poor guy then.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

Yeah, it happens. It was quick.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

It's quick.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

And do you know what? He loved it, he did it for years, so he did he was died, he died doing something he loved.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

Would you want to know when you died? The day that you're gonna die.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

Like, would I want to know I'm coming up to it? Yeah, I think we'll have asked it's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

That's right, when we did the QA. Yeah. Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

This story is humbling. So it's not nasty, but a bit like what are they?

SPEAKER_02 21:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

So for people like me on HRT, it's things like this that get me in the field.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

But you're not gonna cry on camera, are you there?

SPEAKER_00 21:28

No, but dead funny.

SPEAKER_02 21:29

If you do it fever.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

Dead funny. I was um editing uh episode 139 recently with Kev. It was a pride episode, and I told um a story like a Lady La Bottom, it was a nice story. Every time I read it, because I always read everything before I start, but uh I was crying. I'm like, oh what the fuck? Anyway, didn't cry on the day, and I was editing it on Jimmy Lockdown. I go, Do you okay? Oh god, this story just kills me off every time.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

I used to be so tough.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

I used to be really tough and I'm just not. Now, literally the puppies and Andrex adverts get me. I know, I know. Anyway, so this one might get me in the feels a little bit because it's just nice, but I won't cry.

unknown 22:11

I won't cry.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

I've got my patch on today. Okay. So Arlington, Virginia. And we're not we're not going back in time even further from 1922. We're coming forward again, but we could we could still do a shimmer. Okay. So we're going to 1937. So Shimmer Shimmer. Shimmer Shimmer. Shimmer. We should do our shimmers the opposite way, shouldn't we? So Shimmer Shimmer. Shimmer Shimmer. That feels weird. Shimmer Shimmer.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

No, it does, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

We'll fine-tune that.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Yeah, we'll we'll get that right's got that. So 1937, we're here.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

Imagine Andy go not fucking with me, I'm debalanced.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And also, he was saying about you know doing a little oucher, and he went, nah, fuck off, you can do that yours. It's just like, no, no, I'm not doing it. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

So Arlington, Virginia, 2nd of July 1937. Now, even though it's that date, this story actually begins just after the First World War. As we know, millions of men died. Obviously, some women as well, and civilians. And many bodies couldn't be identified. That is civilians and uh veterans, yeah. So we we know there's lots of fallen heroes who've never been identified for one reason or another. And in 1921, there's an unidentified American serviceman from the First World War, and he was buried in Arlington Cemetery. And the soldier became a symbol. And he represented every single serviceman whose identity had been lost. So they'd been killed and never, never been identified to the family. And people visited this tomb in huge numbers, not to just commemorate him, but to commemorate maybe their own family members or anybody who's never been identified, just as a little nod. So if they were going to cemetery anyway, maybe to visit their own family members, or if they were passing through, people would go and there'd be flowers and all that kind of thing. Anyway, because so many people, um visitors, uh concerns grew about protecting the site because it was becoming like very, very popular as society. It's like it became like a national treasure, if you like, you know, it did represent all these men, so it needs to be protected. So initially, guards were posted only during visiting hours. So these are military men. Then a decision came on the 2nd of July 1937, and the United States Army began maintaining a continuous guard, so not just during open hours, during daylight, all the time. From the 2nd of July 1937 to this day, every hour of every single day. Since then, the guard has never been withdrawn. Not during hurricanes, snowstorms, extreme heat, uh disasters, war, national emergencies, nothing. And visitors often assume the guards is like ceremonial, but um the guards are actually called sentinels, which is quite a nice name, and it's actually one of the most demanding ceremonial duties in the military, apparently. And candidates undergo like really extensive training, obviously normal military training, uh, but they learn all about the history of the cemetery, the tomb, and the military customs, the uniforms need to be maintained to like exceptionally high standard because obviously they're representing the country standing there, people from all over the world are coming to visit this like a cenotaph now, almost really. And so they have to be immaculous, so they need to learn obviously how to do all that, and then they've got this choreographed routine: 21 steps, turn, pause, and then 21 steps back. And obviously, the 21 steps is linked to the 21 guns to loot, which are traditionally the highest milchioner.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

So, and people are like fascinated with this consistency. It's almost like the change of the guard in London fucking videos of people going in the box, you know, and the horses going for them and then the guards shouting.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

Yeah. Like and people not moving out of their way and then complaining that they get walked through.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

And you know what galls me? You can say the signs are up in English, do not enter the box, don't touch the horses. You know, these guys are working, don't come in the box. Some of them might not be able to read the sign.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

No.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

If I went to Russia and that sign was in Russian, I wouldn't have a clue what it said. But it's a fucking white line around. It tells you something, doesn't it? It hasn't got to say don't enter. And if somebody shouts at you, you don't go and do it again. Because some of the dick edge do.

SPEAKER_02 26:41

But you read the room as well. Yeah. You go, hang on, there's hundreds of fuckers here. No one's up there.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

No one's going in the box.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

I'm guessing we can't go. You wouldn't go. Why aren't they going? Oh, I will.

SPEAKER_00 26:52

Yeah. But also. I hate to say it, and I'm not being derogatory.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

She is.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

I'm not. But a lot of these tourists are American tourists. Yeah, yeah. And they can read English. And you're like, and there's one particular woman and she went right up to the horse, held the is it like a harness thing, the strap thing that comes down? Hold the rein thing. The rain. That's the one. Rain. Held the rein and get right in close to the photograph in the box, holding the rein, like that. The horse is gonna go back and the horse bit it arm.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

Good.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

Right like that, and just go, ow, ow! Do something.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

They forget they're it's they're guards.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

They're protectors.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

That's what they do. They're protectors. The job is to protect and guard.

unknown 27:37

Yeah!

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Not to stand and look pretty. As much as they do stand and look pretty.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

So fucking stupid.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

They're also security.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Yes, they are, of course.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

You wouldn't do it to a police dog.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

No.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

So why are you doing it to a royal horse?

SPEAKER_00 27:50

So you know what? I hope that bite hers because she's just stupid. Yeah. And disrespectful, actually.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

It is.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

Anyway, we're gonna go back to the sentinels.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

I'm just gonna go up and stand in their sentinels box and see if they like it.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

So obviously, and maybe certain similar things were happening, maybe you know, people were disrespecting the monument a little bit, or I don't know, maybe homeless people or do you know the gotta be an ex-military homeless.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

If you look at Stonehenge, they had to fence that off because people were stealing bits of the rock.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Isn't it mad?

SPEAKER_02 28:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:22

And what are you gonna do with that?

unknown 28:23

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

Nothing, but see what it's sometimes becomes popular enough, people want to take bits of it home.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

It's just that's just the way it is. Nuts, nuts. Apparently, I um I did a segment ages ago on oh fuck, what is his name? It's just gone. Oh god, it'll come to me. Very, very famous gangster robbed banks in America. No. Oh, it'll come to me.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

Patrick Swayze in Point Blake.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

No, oh Patrick Swayze, I love him. Um, oh, it'll come to me. Anyway, when he was he was shot, um people were um dipping the hankyers in his blood and taking it away as souvenirs.

unknown 29:00

Fucking weirdo.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

It'll come to me. Do you know what? Just before we finish, I'll go, I know!

SPEAKER_02 29:04

Yeah, just do a random shout in the middle of the room.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

When I'm not thinking about it, I'll just come on. And you'll go, what the fuck you don't like?

SPEAKER_02 29:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Anyway, I don't really want to say much more about that. But I just quite like the fact that um, you know, for all these years, 1937, so we're talking about nearly a hundred years, 90 years, guards have been guarding this thing because it means much more than the person buried inside, doesn't it? All them people who've never been identified, there's just uh a little something which commemorates them. And it's nice to know that after all these years, when maybe the military would be respected a bit more now. We went through a phase of military not being respected at all, and people were still going visiting. You know, it means something, doesn't it? You know, somebody gave the life and and they've never been identified.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

There's always going to be that level of respect to wartime military, and then views will always change about the military. People disassociate the two, they don't look at current military and think they're the boys and girls that did the war. The wartime military, that's the wartime, and will always be the wartime that will always have that respect, regardless of how it changes now. And I think that's why it's still like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

Yeah, I think so. I think so.

SPEAKER_02 30:15

But back then, those fellas, they were alright. And that's always going to be the way.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

They're really crying out for military right now, aren't they?

unknown 30:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

And that there's there's been like little talks of you know hiding. If things escalate, uh military personnel uh under 50 might be called up again if they've left and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Right, well, I'm not here. We're all 46.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Oh well, we've got a way to go. Because we can't have war then in the next 10 years.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

Yeah, next ten years, yeah. I mean, when I was in to be honest, I think Tesco has implode more people in the RAF.

unknown 30:50

Fucking hell.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

It's absolutely nuts, isn't it? So, yeah, crying out for military personnel. Uh, I think if I had my time again, I would. I mean, I I was gonna go in the RAF, as I've told you before, have my exam and everything, and I when I realized I was gonna die. I was only young, I decided I wasn't didn't want to die, so I didn't go.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

It's not the best marketing plan the end, is it?

SPEAKER_00 31:11

But now, with an old head on my shoulders, oh god, if I had a chance again, I would go like that and uh I'd go and join join the medical corps.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:21

Absolutely. I wouldn't I wouldn't be um I wouldn't be like a a soldier. They have like um what are they called? It's medics. Yeah. And I wouldn't be like on the ground like medic. I'd want to be like proper, like a proper nurse or like operating theatre person. You know, like saving fucking I mean I know you save lives on the ground. Yeah, yeah. Yeah lady the lamp floating through my long skirt that I've gone on today.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

You'd be floating through a long skirt or your lamp on a stick, and then people suddenly realize that the lamp, the stick's actually a massive leather whip and you're gonna fucking something. And a dual purpose. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

And under the skirt, I've got an artillery.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

Yeah, always prepared.

SPEAKER_00 31:55

So yeah, I'm more dad'd dangerous. Me and Jim were I was going to say the dangler, this would be the dangler, but Jim and I were talking about, you know, if we went to war and everything, I said you'd be like Dad's army. Over the 60s. Back in the day in the UK, they would be, you know, on on the streets, wouldn't they? Like, you know, with the military police and stuff like that. And you know, protecting our local people on the ground.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

All that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Yeah. So I said you'd be you'd be dad's army.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

He'd love it as well.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

Oh my god, he would!

SPEAKER_02 32:31

He would be whopping down the street searching for houses with lights on, he'd camp out outside people's houses when he's a flick and go, Right, Mavin'um.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

He'd take the responsibility very seriously. He'd wear his little tin hat proud.

unknown 32:44

Just imagine.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

Oh, I try and remember the tune to Dad's army now, and I can't remember. It was a really good tune as well. Anyway, that might come to me later, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

Right, so I'm gonna move on to a segment which I think you're really interested in.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

Oh, good.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

Not for any particular reason, but we've done a couple of things similar to this before. Uh it's very current. I don't know whether you ever heard of anybody who've been involved in all of this, but it's something that I thought we could discuss.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

Okay, we like a discuss.

SPEAKER_00 33:10

Well, I thought you like a discuss, don't you?

SPEAKER_02 33:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

Rather than talked after a whole hour.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:15

Not that talk like you, could you talk to you talk back? You're getting good.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

I talk, I'm getting good, yeah. Getting ready to go. Checking your voice, you see, so I'm gonna throw me oven in there.

unknown 33:22

Wow!

SPEAKER_00 33:23

Right then. Oh, before we carry on, have you noticed our new lights in the background? Got a little glowy light in the background. We were thinking, do we put a green behind the green or a purple behind the purple or swap them around? So I think what we'll do is we'll do this this time, and then the next episode I'm gonna swap them round and see which one works better.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

Yeah. And then you'll start looking in too deep into it and find out that it depends who's sitting here as then which way around it will be.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Yeah, I'm not gonna look that too deeply into it. I've got too much of a plate, mate.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

Oh, I've got asking you.

SPEAKER_00 33:51

Go on.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

No, I've got a question. Go on. You've got a question for me. Yeah, would you rather be a sausage roll or a piece of toast?

SPEAKER_00 34:02

I think um I'd rather be a sausage roll. Oh yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

I'm not gonna tell you why.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

Okay, well it doesn't really matter.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

There you can.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

Because sausage rolls, I don't know, it's just you go out and buy a sausage roll. Greg's sausage rolls are absolutely gorgeous. And they're always like you're when you get sausage rolls, it's like, oh, it's like coming home, isn't it? It's like, oh sausage roll. You can dip sausage rolls in your sauce.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 34:29

And Jimmy likes sausage rolls, but toast with butter, he doesn't like butter, so Jimmy wouldn't lick me if I was a piece of toast. You wouldn't eat me out if I was a piece of toast. But you'd eat me if I was a sausage roll.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

I went toast.

unknown 34:42

What?

SPEAKER_02 34:42

I went toast.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

Why?

SPEAKER_02 34:43

It's versatile, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 34:45

No.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

You don't have to put butter on your toast.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

You put anything on the toast.

SPEAKER_02 34:49

You can put Nutella on your toast, you put jam on your toast. Jimmy might like cottage cream, you can put that on his toast, he'd lick that then, wouldn't he?

SPEAKER_00 34:54

See, you probably would, yeah. You probably would.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

And sausage rolls just a sausage roll.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

And there's toast for everybody, different ethnicities, white toast, brown toast, all that.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

Sausage rolls are just straight up and down the middle. You're a sausage roll, you're boring as shit, you're just sausage.

SPEAKER_00 35:09

Well no, I mean, fuck on that. We know anything about sausage rolls. There isn't just a sausage roll. There's really shit sausage rolls, and then there's exemplary sausage rolls.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

I had a good one the other day, actually.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

And, and there's a song about sausage rolls. Remember the channel. What fucking song?

SPEAKER_02 35:27

T Talkie Toaster in Red Dwarf. Sang about Toast. Fuck off.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

Did it make it into the charts?

SPEAKER_02 35:31

Gayos Bunny did an advert.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

Did it make it into the charts?

SPEAKER_02 35:34

Probably, I don't remember. Well the Saster Drill song was number one.

SPEAKER_00 35:37

I win. Anyway, so I'm gonna move on. Are you gonna tell me why or we're just gonna leave that dangling?

SPEAKER_02 35:47

No, I'm gonna leave it dangling. I'll tell you my tally when they can't hear.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

Okay. Okay, I'll leave you dangling on the character.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

They're gonna go off and tell you.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

And researcher, you can comment. So, have you seen the program on BBC called The Capture?

SPEAKER_02 36:03

Oh, I've seen bits, like clips of it, I think I'm probably reels or something.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

Okay, you haven't actually seen the series.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

No, because that involves sitting down and watching tally.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

It does, I know, when you haven't got time for all that shit. Yeah, either with the kids or in the pub. Or running now.

SPEAKER_02 36:16

No, I don't run a knife. Or working. Scared of the dark, and I I'm not really scared of the dark.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

Scared like horror movies, the dark, X's. What else?

SPEAKER_02 36:25

I've got to go out in the morning, otherwise I can't be fucking bothered.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

Yeah, I'm a bit like that though. The longer the day goes on, it's like that.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

The longer the more the more I've drank, like coffee, pop, oh yes, swishing round, no goods. The more of eating. It's up, go, because otherwise there's too much in my belly.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

And it does feel weird swishing around, doesn't it, when you're looking anyway. Right, so the capture on BPC. So it's about um a secret government department, uh, which exists because there's other similar departments across the world, and if they are using technology which might affect national and international security, you don't want to have a similar department. You've all got to be speaking on the same page, otherwise, they're gonna have the upper hand.

SPEAKER_01 37:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

And the department is basically all around CCTV and correcting CCTV. Um, and it starts out with uh funny enough, a soldier, um, and he's been going through course over an alleged offence, and um he's wanting to woo his briefest solicitor, and she's not his solicitor anymore, he's won his case, and she's the course on video um in the street, he's about to get on a bus in like an embrace. She kisses him, she gets in the bus and drives away. Next thing he's getting arrested because on CCTV that actually didn't happen. They kissed, she went to walk away, he grabbed her and then really badly assaulted her, and they think dragged her into the car, into the booth of his car. So, which version is true? Anyway, so the whole thing is around CCTV and how it can be corrected so good that everybody out there believes it because you just can't tell the difference. So it could be, I'm not gonna spoil it, but it could be that there's a certain event happened, somebody else did it, or they maybe enacted it, and then your face has been put on the perpetrator, and it looks so good they've got everything right that you go down for it.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

Fuck, that's bullying. Okay, give them two ideas.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Um it's it's sort of deep fake, but it's used for international security, supposedly, and what they said in the programme is that they don't do anything that actually isn't true. So it could be that they've got um maybe some kind of terrorist under a charge, and the CCTV just didn't quite see the finger doing that because there was a pole in the way, but you know, they know they did it, and so they might take the pole out of the CCTV and then you see the finger on the trigger or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 39:00

But you don't see the finger, you see the AI generated thing.

unknown 39:03

Fucking hell.

SPEAKER_00 39:04

So it's a way of them putting dangerous people away using fake CCTV footage, but they know that the person did it, supposedly, and then the story goes over three series of how it's used in other ways, maybe. The third series takes a slightly different tack, which is really good. I didn't know how it was gonna go, and it really um got me onto looking at deep fake, but in a different way, which our viewers will enjoy, and so will you. So let's look at um other ways in which AI has been using our photographs to create things that are simple simply not true. Exactly that.

SPEAKER_02 39:45

Is it Grok on Twitter?

SPEAKER_00 39:47

Yeah, um for loads, loads, absolutely loads. I mean, but imagine though, um, you know, you wake up tomorrow and there's images all over the place that friends are selling you, sending you, they found them somewhere, and you are involved in explicit acts with somebody you've never met, and it looks exactly like you. It's got your tattoos, you know, maybe scars, stuff like that. It's you. There's there's no no doubt about it, and everyone's like, what the fuck? Yeah, so within like overnight, your job is possibly affected if you're in a relationship that's affected, if you've got kids, your friendship circle, your credibility, your everything that everybody knows about you're your persona is gone, just like that. Because everybody thinks that you've been lying all this time and actually you've been doing porn.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

See, if I was doing porn, I'd probably just tell people I was doing porn. So if anything ever comes out, I haven't told you, it's not me. If I was doing it, I'd probably just be like, Yeah. I'm doing porn.

SPEAKER_00 40:53

Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know, I think we've grown up to own that kind of thing. But you know, imagine if you were somebody like uh uh an MP. Well it's happened, hasn't it? Celebrities have had it done. Yeah, Taylor Swift. Yeah. And that's that's something that I'm gonna comment. But I mean, this is life-changing stuff, and you know, there's maybe a lot of motives why people do this sort of thing, you know, revenge, but some people are doing it just for fun. Yeah, some people are doing it just for their own wank bank, and it's not getting out there at all, but is it still okay to do that?

SPEAKER_02 41:24

And some people probably do it for their own sort of weird yeah, it's a flex to show their technical ability in a way.

SPEAKER_00 41:31

Flexing the skills, isn't it? You know, so you know, let's let's dig deep down a little bit more about you know what this is all about, and you know, what is deep fake? Because I've actually heard this term absolutely loads, yeah. Um, and it comes from a combination of deep learning and fake, obviously. Um, and um deep fake was actually uh a profile on TikTok for a little while, and they started putting things out, yeah. Um, but the the profile name come from deep learning and fake, they just took it on, and it's a form of artificial intelligence that allows computers to analyse huge amounts of data and recognise patterns. So if you've got enough photographs online, it doesn't take that much anymore. All you need is a few side profiles, yeah, wearing glasses without glasses, smiling, not smiling, angry or with friends, all these different variations. All AI needs is a combination of those things being fed into it, yeah, and it can manipulate you to do anything.

unknown 42:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 42:35

Anything at all. That's how far it's come now. It's frighteningly good as well now, and it's frighteningly good at it understands your face at different angles and how like the wrinkles on your face move as you're talking, it's analysing everything.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

Willingly we give it shit like that. Well, because I've done it and gone to age me.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

Yes, yeah. I tend not to do things like that. I have gone onto AI uh and put my image onto like a background or something, or I've I've maybe like I want to design idea for a graphic. There's my photo, that's the the episode subject matter. Give me some inspiration, and then I've gone away and done it myself, but it's still got my photo.

SPEAKER_02 43:17

Yeah. And how many times have women done it for hairstyles?

SPEAKER_00 43:20

Oh well, not me. Um, but even putting things on Facebook, I've got hundreds of photos on Facebook of me and the kids and Jim and friends. You're on my Facebook.

SPEAKER_02 43:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:32

So all somebody needs is to either hack in or be a friend who isn't a friend, and they've got access to everything they need.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:41

It's that easy. It's that easy. So, you know, I mean, you don't want to piss anybody off. What'd you do who's got a little bit of knowledge? So, anyway, um this started out uh in around twenty seventeen. Twenty seventeen. Fuck no. And when you look back actually at some of the AI generated stuff back then, it's it's shit.

SPEAKER_02 44:07

Yeah, it is. We used to call it Photoshopped back then, didn't we?

SPEAKER_00 44:10

Yeah. Very, very, very obvious. Uh oh, do you know what? Actually, the Deep Fate wasn't on TikTok, it was on Reddit. The person on Reddit. I love Reddit. I love Reddit. It's just a cesspool, I love it. Um it's got some really good stuff in there as well. Oh, it's great. If you all lose a few hours and meet some of the quirkiest people on earth, it's brilliant. So yeah, 2017. And um this person called Deep Fate began posting AI-generated videos featuring the faces of celebrities pasted onto performers who existed in pornography films that we knew were out there. And so the technology itself, it wasn't new, but they were this was the first time that he used it for this kind of thing. Uh, and it was shit, it was really shit, but it inspired people. So programmers were like, oh, maybe not just for pornography, but for anything, any kind of manipulation? Anything. And you know, it might have started out innocent, maybe like, you know, this is what you could look like if you were thinner. Now, think about do I say this? We all know people who've had boob jobs or liposuction and stuff like that. When they go into these clinics, the doctor will show them what they're gonna look like after they've had the procedure. Now, well, they did years ago, and that has been generated by a computer, that is some kind of programmed technology. So that was happening years ago, yeah, and it looked alright, you know. But when you start putting faces on people and everything, it it wasn't looking so great, but inspired people. So they started experimenting then with face swapping systems, and they've I've been doing it for a long time. But what changed was the accessibility. So back then it was only people with like access to this technology, the money, the smart, the people, only certain people had access to it. But then when AI went mainstream, suddenly people like you and I have got access to this. Yeah, and AI wants to please you, it will give you what you want. As long as you don't give it the trigger words like porn, yeah. Or like that.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

Yeah, it doesn't do that. I tried. I asked it something, and it was like, yeah, no, go on.

SPEAKER_00 46:17

Yeah, I can't do that. It's against our rules and all the rest of it. Guidelines or some boring shite.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

Well, I'm bossed, you know.

SPEAKER_00 46:23

So now all of us have got access to this. People with vendesses. Revenge porn.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

Revenge porn obviously was is real porn that people have taken and they've put out there.

SPEAKER_01 46:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:38

Now people can create revenge porn. It never even happened.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

That's what you know what worries you about that. I I joke and say if any porn appears, it's not me. Because it isn't, but if it was, I'd I'd I'd own it anyway. But say something appeared online and you can go categorically, that is not me. They said prove it, and you go, well, look, me and Baddy were recording the podcast that day. Something's fake. Yeah. Which one are they gonna believe? Yeah. You've then got to argue because they could be like, well, your podcast could be AI if you're saying that's AI, your pod.

SPEAKER_00 47:13

That just prompted me to make sure the times and dates on my cameras were thinking alright.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

So where does it ever stop? Yeah. Because your alibi or your counter-argument to prove it's not you could then be brought into question. Well world fucked, man, not in real anymore.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

Well, what comes out of capture on BBC is what do you believe? Yeah. And actually, those people working in this department and they were watching things that they believe were true. But actually, those outside agencies who are manipulating their technology.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

Okay, that's come a long way from walking past the CCTV with a minute. Well, yeah. It's just nuts, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 47:52

Never actually done that anyway. So like I say, it was shit back in the day. Um, and uh when ordinary people got held with this, it was all like the genies out of the bottle, you know. And thank you very much. Hey, you're on the ball today. Well done.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

Check me out.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

Very good. So, researchers examining deep fake content consistently found that the overwhelming majority of publicly identified deep fake photos were pornographic. So, people, once they got hold of this, they weren't using it for benevolent reasons, they were using it for malevolent reasons from day one. The majority of I think I read something like 90%. I can't don't help with that, but it was very, very, very, very high. And the targets were overwhelmingly female. Of course they were. And at first the victims were celebrities, actresses, and we know of Taylor Swift. Uh, that was in 2024. Um, a huge amount of AI-generated images of Taylor Swift performing lurid acts spread across the internet, social media. Poor girl. And it looked like her.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

It did.

SPEAKER_00 49:06

It did look like her, but you know, she had a whole team behind her, and you know, the money and people, you know, contacts to get this thing taken down very, very quickly. Obviously, the damage was already done, it was out there, but it got taken down. But you and I, if that went out there, it'd be weeks. Facebook didn't reply to you normally. Once it's out there, normally it's out there. It's gone, yeah. Yeah, and I haven't looked into the Taylor Swift thing uh because I don't. I didn't really want to.

unknown 49:30

No.

SPEAKER_02 49:31

I didn't feel right. I'm sure if you've got enough money to set out at it in the right tech team, they'll find the origin.

SPEAKER_00 49:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

But to your standard average, average everyday Joe, it's never ever going.

SPEAKER_00 49:43

It's never gonna go, is it? And this, you know, I I've obviously been on forums over the years and I never put like really sexually explicit photos out there. You know, maybe like a little bit of like boobs or you know, my face or whatever, but um definitely not explicit, and you would put your flaps out there. And it wasn't because I was you know um approved, I just I didn't want my photos out there forever. Yeah, there's certain sites out there I'm not gonna mention, it was in a certain podcast I did on BBC recently, called the Swingers. Um they don't protect your photos. No, they're our friend has found loads of her photos off that site on Adult Works and OnlyFans and everything.

SPEAKER_02 50:22

I found her on Tumblr once.

SPEAKER_00 50:23

Did you?

SPEAKER_02 50:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:24

She's been everywhere. Yeah. I mean, her photos are amazing, they're absolutely amazing. She is stunning tattoos and everything. Of course, you know, she's got beautiful photos out there, but some of them are explicit, and they're supposed to be private photos of friends only.

SPEAKER_02 50:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:38

But you know, friends on these forums are not friends.

SPEAKER_02 50:40

They don't stop screenshotting.

SPEAKER_00 50:43

No, not at all. Of course it is.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

Especially, let's not get too deep, but when they charge people to be members and they can't even protect them. You can't even protect them. I can't even stop a basic screenshot.

SPEAKER_00 50:54

Well, you know, this thing that I did on the BBC Sounds about um this particular forum blasted them out the water for it.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

I'm seeing that.

SPEAKER_00 51:02

Yeah. It's called Swingers on BBC Sounds. It's it's about half-hour episodes, about six of them, truly good. I'm on it on one particular episode, but you need to listen to it beginning to end. It blows them out the water. Because we've got a history of knowing what they're about, and people have been affected on it, you'd you'd appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 51:17

Oh, I've listened to that.

SPEAKER_00 51:18

Yeah. So, anyway, uh, after this happened, uh, the story obviously made international headlines and it brought it to the forefront. And obviously, people are still doing it, but it made people more aware, and actually, if it can happen to her, it can happen to anybody. So, people then started questioning what they were seeing online. Um, politicians even got involved in this at one point, there, and there's like bills being formed over like of countries across the world. Um, so it has led to some changes, but you know, the damage has already been done for some people. Um, I think it's the UK now that have got some legislation about deepfake porn. Uh, yeah, it's been introducing specific laws at targeting the creation distribution of intimate deep fakes without consent. Um, and starting to roll out across the world. And be they've done this because this was happening so much. They couldn't find a current law that um was enough to put people away for it. Yeah, there was no words yet.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

There was always a workaround and something they couldn't use revenge porn because it wasn't created using real people and it wasn't it fell into so many categories.

SPEAKER_00 52:29

You know, it does it if it falls into like consent, it falls into harassment.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

It falls into literally fucking everything, it falls into all sorts of things.

SPEAKER_00 52:40

So, what do you actually charge them for?

SPEAKER_02 52:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

The best one you can get them for, and then it's a little bit sketchy. So they've had to create laws now because it's happening so often. There was also um a bit of a phase, unfortunately, of kids being targeted by their classmates, and um there's one particular story, and there's a girl in school, and all of a sudden the phones were going off. One picture had got out there and it was getting pinged around all of her classmates. And is that what you see on TV? This everyone's laughing at this girl, she doesn't know what they're talking about. They show her, she's like, It's not me. Of course, it's not you because it looks just like her, just like her. Teachers are involved, parents are involved, it's looking, really not me. And the investigator, and it was a deep fake porn. But you know, that that imagine being 15, obviously, underage, doing something not great on this either. Yeah, um, and it goes stage with you forever.

SPEAKER_02 53:39

You need one little pads like they have in the post office.

SPEAKER_00 53:42

I do, I do and I used to have one that was a kid. I was obsessed, I was still obsessed with stationary. I used to have stamps like I was in a bank, and a little thing. I used to do that. I just love it. Just pieces of paper, blank paper, and go. So, anyway, these kids are involved, and uh it's it's like once kids are involved, of celebrities, it's not great, nobody should be involved, but when kids are involved and kids are the perpetrators, yeah, you know it's gone too far.

SPEAKER_02 54:15

There's a line being crossed.

SPEAKER_00 54:16

It there's a line that's being crossed, yeah. So, where do we stand now? Uh, we stand now um at a really dangerous uh crossroads, if you like. You know, do what do we do? We can't we can't stop this thing now, no, and we can't allow it to happen. So, what you do, we're in this middle ground now of trying to govern and protect people and try and create technology that identifies these things or blocks them before they even get out there. So they're trying to now use AI to identify deep. So now we're in this position where we just can't get away from AI. We said ages ago, we're you know, it's like closing the gate after the horse's bolted, we're just too far. Everything relies on it, airplanes would fall out of the sky because they rely on some AI technology. Yes, people could override it, but fuck me, it's gone too far. So, you know, where where do you go? So now that we're using AI now to control AI um generated images, we really can't go back.

SPEAKER_02 55:21

No, you can't undo any of it. AI is always gonna think that it's let's not get too on the we agree or not agreeing on AI shit, just accept it exists.

SPEAKER_01 55:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:34

We've all used it for decades. Every time you've got a spell check done on your phone, every time you've used Google Maps to go somewhere, it's early stages AI.

SPEAKER_01 55:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:43

We've learned to live with it. Now we can't live without it. And now it's evolving, and now we're using AI to combat AI is we may as well just hand them the keys and go, let us know when you're done.

SPEAKER_01 55:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:55

Because it's we're not in control anymore. Now you don't even know what you're actually Are your choices your own.

SPEAKER_00 56:01

So how many times do you go on something and look at a video and you go, ah, and you go, is it AI generated? Is the little tag on it?

SPEAKER_02 56:07

It's getting harder and harder to tell.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

It is. Um, and not every declares it's AI content, you know, and now it's sort of I'm losing my joy of scrolling through things because now I'm like, oh, that looks really great, but I don't know whether it's real.

SPEAKER_02 56:20

Yeah. It's changing your perception of everything. The colour of that's slightly off. That's AI.

SPEAKER_00 56:25

Yeah. Like, oh, that's great. Look at this, Jim. Send it loads to your friends, then one of your eagle-eyed friends goes, Yeah, but she's got six fingers.

SPEAKER_02 56:31

Yeah. But even that's starting to disappear.

SPEAKER_00 56:34

It is, I hardly ever see that now, you know. Um, and I have actually seen some AI porn. Um, I didn't go looking for it, you know. You like you go on porn sites and adverts pop up. And some of them are made to look artificial on purpose because people want to watch so it doesn't look real.

SPEAKER_02 56:52

I remember one in the club, fucking blue aliens or something.

SPEAKER_00 56:55

That was weird as I know, some weird ass tentacle porn and everything out there.

SPEAKER_02 56:59

God double. All sorts, but yeah, so that's what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

But some of them now look like real real humans engaging, you know, they're not the other porn, the AI pawn, that is isn't supposed to be real. There's a massive boob that couldn't be real, tiny little wastes, you know, almost like anime style. Then the song which is so real, yeah. And I don't want to look at it because it's I know it's not real. I couldn't even get my head into it.

SPEAKER_02 57:26

But you start looking at it in the curious, sort of fascinated way.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:30

But then you dick away and you go, you start dreaming, going, fucking hell.

SPEAKER_00 57:35

Yeah. It's really good. But then there's two things there. Uh uh people then gonna start looking at these perfect images and forgetting the day, like I wanna I wanna get a vagina plastic because she's got a perfect, you know, labia, flaps, whatever. Uh but then there's the other side. How far are people gonna push these AI images? Are they gonna start and I can guarantee ya there's some illegal, what would be illegal AI porn, including children, animals, you know, inappropriate stuff, they will absolutely be hundreds of them were ethically then does that become illegal? So if somebody likes to watch um porn invo involving children, but they're not actually watching porn that involves real children, is that ethically still wrong? I think it is.

SPEAKER_02 58:25

I think it is. I mean, if you've got those desires, we need to be careful. You feed the beast, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:30

You know, so mm, some might argue it's like well if they're doing that, they're not doing it to real people.

SPEAKER_02 58:34

Well is it, but no, but is it the sexual harm prevention order? Yeah, you could get them on that because you're preventing it, because if you're doing it over a pretend.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

Yeah, but it's like anything effort escalates, so that is sort of it's an addict, it's a habit that forms and evolves like anything else. So you might start with AI, then you might start looking at real stuff, and then where does it go after that?

SPEAKER_02 58:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:54

So you can guarantee that's out there, Buzz. It will guarantee.

SPEAKER_02 58:58

That was probably the illegal side of AI will will have probably been out there before the legal side.

SPEAKER_00 59:02

If it gets that good, and there's uh child pornography out there, and people are like, it's AI, it's not real kids.

SPEAKER_02 59:11

No, it doesn't fucking matter. No, they'll say it is Oh oh I get you, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:17

It's not real kids. Yeah. It's AI.

SPEAKER_02 59:21

That's the kind of worms you do not want to open.

SPEAKER_00 59:23

It's just it's nuts, isn't it? I wanted to bring you into that because uh I just knew it'll blow your mind. Um it's uh a good little discussion, really. Very cutting. I'm only on social media, no for the pod.

SPEAKER_02 59:37

Fuck it.

SPEAKER_00 59:38

Actually, no, I don't got me on Facebook anymore, really. No, no, tag you and shit. Jim. Yeah, and well I can't about five months later I'll see the tag and then share it. Can't be honest.

SPEAKER_02 59:49

Competition's closing out Victor didn't win that meal, thanks.

SPEAKER_00 59:52

Right, so we're cracking on. So I'm not gonna do a ladies lobossomy. I am gonna do a little fetish factory in it is only little.

SPEAKER_02 59:59

Good.

SPEAKER_00 59:59

I don't know if you've heard of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:00

Probably not.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:01

I'm gonna let you guess.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:02

I'm getting better at this fetishy shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

You are you're getting really good. Oh, everybody loved you tested out all the stuff last time.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:09

I know, I enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:10

Did you? Yeah. Really, really good. Do you have to do more like sort of touchy feely? That sounds really bad. We're not gonna do porn on it. We're not doing that. We're not doing that kind of touchy feely, not those closer friends. But we can do more like show and telly can't I see them worse.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:25

So do you know have I got to do the muffin man now? I can't do the muffin man now. I was too busy laughing. Do you know? I'm not gonna do the rest of it. No, that'll do fucking.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:39

Do you know what a meat puppet is?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:49

Don't know where my hand just was. It can't be.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

It should be. It should be.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:04

Oh my god, meat puppet. No.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:10

No. So actually I prefer your version. Really. A meat puppet is a BDSN term. Well, guess that because you've It's when a submissive is placed into a bossy sack or a straitjacket or wrapped in something. So they're immobile but not quite. So I've done this and I've wrapped them in in pallet wrap, but I've left their arms and their legs, so they're like that. And the dominant basically makes them do whatever they want because they're wrapped like meat, and you get them to do all like mad things.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:41

Oh nice, it's just really, really funny. That's a pallet puppet, that is.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:44

A pallet puppet, yeah. But it could be like in a meat sack or whatever, and you can like humiliate them, and they're just yours to do whatever you will. They're um, but I much prefer your version of fisting.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:57

Wear you like a puppet.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:59

I'll wear you like a puppet.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:01

It's the first thing my head went to when you said it. Well, I'm gonna rewrite that.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:07

I'm rewriting that I prefer your version.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:10

Thanks, might as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:12

Right, so we're gonna leave it there on that meat puppets fisting bob show. So, am I gonna do the thing or you're gonna do the thing?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:21

I think you can do the thing because I've forgotten it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:23

Have I forgotten it?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:24

Yeah, I reckon I have. No, I'm gonna do it because Andy's a I'm fucking better.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:27

I'll have an acclare while you're doing it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:29

I'll have a little thing. So, if you're binge watching, stick the cattle on, we'll see you in five. And if you're not, I'll catch you next week on all your usual socials, all the shit that I can't remember that bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:44

I love the way you do a little ad lib on the end. So you do the right bit and then just put like your own little bit on the end. So, yeah, socials. 155,000 followers on Facebook. You could be one of them. See you soon! And there we have it! Another day made better by listening to the creators of chaos. Thanks for dropping by, and if you enjoyed the video, we really appreciate you sharing a lot of the puppet cell podcast with your friends. Don't forget to give us a following art socials, maybe leave us some five-star reviews, and we're free to send the minimum automatic of the puzzle podcast.com. Or even enter up the top three cards and not to stop five next week because we sell. I don't know where I'm going next, but I'm coming on the board.