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Speaker 1:Good morning.
Speaker 2:How are you today?
Speaker 1:You know, I'm a lot better than last week. Last week when we did this, I was asleep, I was hungover and I actually think I might have still been drunk. I have no memory of anything we talked about, so last week for me does not count.
Speaker 2:Did you watch this week's show?
Speaker 1:I've actually watched it three times, me too. Okay, good. I loved it. I thought before we get into it I thought it wasn't like an exciting or stellar or groundbreaking premiere, but I thought it was fun, it was good, it was a good Housewives episode, it was entertaining.
Speaker 2:It was definitely entertaining. So, guys, welcome back to the Jersey Shore where we have my host, dan Lenthorpe. We're here to talk about the first episode of Real Housewives of New Jersey. Yay, yay, and you can follow us both on our separate podcast, because we're doing this together, but we are uploading on both sides, which is awesome. Thank you for the new downloads. Hopefully we got some and, uh, five star reviews would be great, but it's hootsiding on podcast and salty housewives podcast and, uh, any like how, if we have any, um hr should? No, everything's good. Right, this is like our first. Our episode last week was our like precursor, but there's so much that has happened.
Speaker 1:I do have a housekeeping thing real quick. Okay, I'm so sad that I missed it, but I'm grateful that I got sleep. But we were one of the spots that could see the Northern lights last night. Yeah, my mom and my sister took amazing photos. I posted them on my Instagram, Um, but I I'm going to share them on my uh podcast Instagram later. So if you want to follow salty housewives podcast on Instagram, you can see the northern lights from our front yard later today I just got the chills when you said that it was.
Speaker 1:It's pink and green and purple, and just beautiful I have to.
Speaker 2:We're gonna have to talk about northern lights sometime, because I get so confused. I'm just it.
Speaker 2:Just it gives makes my heart smile that we can see them now around and where we're at gorgeous, gorgeous so now I know I talked about this last week but, going into this episode, it's really hard for me to watch it and take it seriously, because I don't know if you probably don't remember, but I told you everything was going to happen, because we have this melissa's old nose, gabriella, who was working with Teresa and Jennifer and I'm sure everybody listening to this, because you know this is everywhere knows everything that's coming out and she told us that she'd spoken to Teresa right after they filmed this episode, when filming was going on, and she says oh, I told you everything. She just told her everything was going to happen, basically what her and Jennifer were going to do in the car car, what they were going to bring up in the car, what they brought up at the party. But we can start from the beginning. I did. I do have notes to recap this can I?
Speaker 1:I want to say two things real quick. So first off, last week with me being so out of it yeah, when you when you kept saying melissa's nose, I did not piece together.
Speaker 1:You were talking about an Instagram person. I just thought you were talking about Melissa's old nose. I'm just in bed laughing and smiling, thinking oh her nose jobs, how funny. And then I'm like I don't understand any of this, but that's cool. Also, as somebody who has had housewives reach out and say stuff, or like other people reach out and say stuff and knowing that some of the stuff is true and you can see it play out and other stuff, unless and this is just this is me now okay at this point unless it's an actual housewife or production member telling me something, yeah, I'm not buying it. And if, if, if, it's also someone else, even if it like plays out correctly, okay, like sure, I'll give them the credit for saying that. But at the same time, I'll be like but you didn't hear it from an actual person, you heard it from a person who heard it from a person who none of that stuff, yeah I don't, I don't care about any of that, then listen.
Speaker 2:It's all receipts. There's all um jennifer and trace's recordings. It's all there. It's, it's, it's bad. It's uh, it's all their emails. It's everything back and forth with jim cc'd. It's teresa's voicemails.
Speaker 1:It's, it's bad, but listen well, they, they paid, they paid people and I love that and they can pay me it's, did you say they can pay me?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'll do their dirty work, no listen, this is not it's and it's not unusual to have a relationship with a housewife right Now. The content creator that was working with Teresa has now turned against her Because, like I said last week, rats, rat on rats. If you hire a rat to do a rat's job, rat's going to rat on you. So that's what's happening. And so I mean but you know, it was just this stuff about John Fuda, anyway, there's a lot, it's basically everything. It was just just the stuff about John food. Anyway, there's a lot, it's it's basically everything. But what? In regards to the first episode, you know, we have Teresa's receipts. We have. We have not Teresa's receipts, we have Gabriella's receipts, with all of them on a um. It's just a lot. When, when it plays out in the episodes, um, we'll get to it, I'll explain to you as we go through, because it's it's bad and I know you love theresa and look, I have. Listen, this is really. This is what happens.
Speaker 2:So this week, of course, I'm going and I'm looking at all the receipts that are playing out online on instagram. I didn't go any further than what has just happened recently, which is the bottom line is I don't care about any other fights that these people have had with each other. All I care about is what regards to the episodes, with regards to Jennifer and Teresa, what part they played, and then just hiring content creators to smear, campaign against everybody and putting false narratives out there. But that's the only part and that's what this is about. But so this week I started kind of arguing with another Teresa fan, which is not unusual, but I usually don't argue. We ended up becoming friends and talking about our cats, like that's what happens, like I don't.
Speaker 2:I said me and my co-host if you listen to our episode, we are polar opposite as far as our opinions. He loves Teresa, he sees like she does no wrong, blah, blah, blah. And I said I'm opposite. I said you hear us laughing and joking. I said I invited you to come on live when I talk about it during the week.
Speaker 2:I said I'm not fighting with you over this, I'm just pointing out we're just talking about this Because at first she's calling me crazy and a drug addict and I must be John's ho or his pimp or he must be my pimp. And I'm like finally you're right, you got me. I was like can we talk about your cats, cause I have cats. And then we started talking about cats. But anyways, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like I'm not here to like fight with anybody over this, which we see. You know what I mean. Like you know if anybody's listening to this and it's one of her fans or one, and I'm not going to say Melissa doesn't have those fans either. I just haven't encountered them Like our. I don't want you guys to argue with each other. If you can, you can respectfully disagree. You can even kind of a little bit argue back and forth. I don't know if we have a comment section or when you, when they leave comments or whatever, but like, just keep in mind that like I'm only going, but I'm not even going by what I hear, I'm just going by what I see. But it just makes it unfair for the Salt Lake to watch an entire season and be completely thinking that one, it's one way, and then to find out it's all big setup. It's just horrible.
Speaker 1:Well, here's what I think, with you saying that because, let's be real, If you are listening and you follow my podcast, you know I've said a lot New Jersey is my least favorite of all the Housewife franchises. You know I've said it a lot New Jersey is my least favorite of all the Housewife franchises. I just it's hard for me to watch because it mirrors a lot of my family drama. However, even though Teresa is my favorite, I'm not like a ride or die for any of these people on this show. So my viewing experience I'm only watching the show. I'm not partaking in any of the social media stuff. So I find it fascinating hearing what's going on through, like you and other people, because I don't catch on to that. I just see what the producers want me to see and it's so funny how the producers craft an entirely different show but then expect people to also keep up with social media, Like no, let's figure it out If you want social media to play a part in it, find, a way to incorporate it in the show.
Speaker 2:Otherwise, let's stop with the social media stuff. That's what I'm upset about, because with Salt Lake, I get. That's what made me upset, because by the end, when I found out that, oh my God, they've been lying this whole time, they're not really friends, they don't really like, you know what I mean, and I was like, oh my God, these showrunners have put this stuff in these women's heads. They had to like, do it with this a certain way. So now it's not real. I mean, I was, so I'm still traumatized by salt. Like, I'm just so angry and I'm like now this is, if it happens with Jersey, they better hire my mom. If they don't fire Jennifer and Melissa, they to come back because it's Teresa Von Teese okay, that's her name, teresa Von Teese, okay.
Speaker 2:So I'm telling you well, I see, like it shows you and we watch, we open up the episode. Of course they're going to show the finale, with the glass and everything. It looks so dramatic and it is a dramatic ending because by the time they shoot the finale, all this comes out, what I'm speaking about right now, and that's why it gets so bad and you're like, okay, like this happens in jersey a lot. This is how we communicate. That's not that big of a deal, but it was and it's bad so. But you know we start out with. We see, oh my gosh, so we're in franklin lakes and melissa, melissa and Antonio, which is awesome. I'm obsessed with Antonio's goddamn bath towel that's hanging on her, her big gray, fluffy bath towel that I'm like I need that bath towel. But anyway, she's back from college. I'm like these people's houses. They even have nice bath towels.
Speaker 1:You know what I said about her house, what Her new house? First of all, my mom and I were watching it together what her new house my first of all. My mom and I were watching it together, and in fact my mom also. My mom cringes at joey and melissa just as much as I do, so I feel vindicated that my mom hates her anyway. Um, I said, did lisa barlow style and design their home because they also have no personality or color you know what you would hate my husband?
Speaker 2:oh no, it's gray, it's very I what real it's gray. Listen, one day I looked around and I'm like I was like my girlfriend was right because I did everything in gray and black white and I, and then I started painting everything blue. It's wild what I did. And now I have it's. Now I have like a lime green living room, a bright blue bath, uh, dining room, there it's yeah. I was like, oh my God, that's right.
Speaker 1:I I joked with my mom watching the earlier seasons of New Jersey because I was like mom, we, our house, looks like we live in Jersey Cause like we have those Brown walls we have like the dark furniture we have, like the brass we have, we've always had that our bathrooms in like brown and copper and beige and gold and like we just we are, we are my house is so old my house, my parent, my husband's parents grew up in this house, so it's still kind of.
Speaker 2:I didn't start painting until a couple years ago, but oh, so it has character. Yes, oh yeah, my house is about years old, but um and but if you looked at melissa's house, their houses I can't tell them apart when they show them in the scenes. I can't tell whose house we're looking at until they go inside, like well it's all these cookie cutter. Just look at me extravagant homes, that just have they're.
Speaker 1:They're like homes with botox they have nothing to them they're, they're mcmansions.
Speaker 2:We call them mcmansions. They get thrown up in the middle of nowhere I forgot about that.
Speaker 2:Mcmansions, that's right yeah, because they're like thrown up and there's like no woods or nothing like, and then they're just thrown up in like a week and you know, and then they like jennifer's and margaret's and they're all houses. They all have the same aesthetic, but but at the end it's like so big. I'm like what are you gonna do when Antonio goes away? Like I know Joey and Gino are there, but like you know, but it was cute, I like seeing them and then panning over, like seeing over at the Judas castle, we'll call it.
Speaker 1:I love the fact that Teresa is obsessed with living in homes that looks like castles, because that's something I would do. Did you see her?
Speaker 2:yeah, her first house was definitely a cat the first house was like a wannabe castle.
Speaker 1:This house looks like this is a castle and they built that together, her and louie it's beautiful I know and I love, like.
Speaker 2:I love seeing as much if I take out the information of how I feel about them, I like seeing them as a family. I like seeing the girls with Louis and as much as it cringes me when he says I love you to them, it's nice to see that at least they care about him, at least Like, even if they don't see the way I view him.
Speaker 1:You're so silly.
Speaker 2:Did you see how red he is though?
Speaker 1:I love them, I know, but did you see how I just got to point out the redness? My father actually. If I went to, if I this will explain to people, even though I don't like new jersey, if I went to, like bravo, con or something, and I ran in to all of the cast of new jersey, yeah, I would avoid everybody except for theresa louis and the girls. I would approach them and I would say hi to them. Everyone else I couldn't give two shits out about we're so nice, though they're so nice everyone.
Speaker 1:I just I, nah, I'm good, I'm I, here's my thing. Why none of us? None of us know these people, so we have to go off intuition and gut instinct yeah there's just too many things I connect with. Yeah, so it's just, it's that intuition telling me. You know what? I'm sure they're great people, I'm sure, I'm sure they're lovely, but guess what? We're not gonna vibe, so I'm not even gonna say hello okay, well, hopefully you will come to bravo con, and I.
Speaker 2:Hopefully it's in new york, because if it's in Vegas I'm going to have to fly out. I don't want to fly.
Speaker 1:It's worth it. Vegas is worth it, though.
Speaker 2:Is it going to be there? Do you think it's going to be there?
Speaker 1:I have a feeling they're going to do it in Vegas more often. Yeah, new York was great. This next time, if it is in Vegas, I'll definitely go. Vegas is like a hop, skip and a jump away from me. It's why I go all the time. Yeah, um. So of course, I'm gonna vote for Vegas and you're gonna vote for New York.
Speaker 1:I know, because I can hop a skip, a jump, I can drive to New York see, and then I'd go oh, I'm gonna have to fly to New York, be in New York look, I would pay you to come here, like because I'm scared to fly like you, listen you have. Anybody has to pay me to go to New York. Look, I would pay you to come here because I'm scared to fly. Listen, anybody has to pay me to go to New York. I hate that place.
Speaker 2:And listen. Bravocon's expensive but we don't even need tickets for BravoCon guys, that's true, because it's so much fun around it. We had so much fun. I was there when it was in New York two years ago and Frank had a show Joey Gorgiages stand-up comedian stand-up show was it caroline's, which was around the corner. Everybody hung out embarrassing.
Speaker 1:Yes, joey gorges thinking he's a comedian and doing a comedy show.
Speaker 2:That's embarrassing I literally yeah, that was when I ended up getting in a fight with my ex bff that was with that same group and I left.
Speaker 2:It had ended up getting a oh so you had like uh, you had like an actual experience, like you were part of the show well, I got yeah, I was trying to get up and left and left the whole group there and had britney walk me back to the talks I had. I got hit my door and got a concussion because I tried. Oh no, I figured it was heavier than it was, so I go swing it real heavy and it's so light and it's right in the head. I look back I was like oh shit.
Speaker 1:That's awful.
Speaker 2:I came back I was like I'm sorry, I just yelled at you guys, but I just hit my head and then I don't remember the rest of it because I had a concussion. It was nice to see. But the second we have to bring up oh, did you get that? We got the invitation. We're gonna be going to john sessler's party, and then why does he?
Speaker 1:why does he has to bring up joe can we talk about the fact they were the first people to talk about the other family member in season 14?
Speaker 1:they were my mom pegged it. I didn't even pay attention to that. My mom goes oh, isn't that? Isn't that nice of them that already talking about theresa, and I just go because we'd already seen theresa too and nothing was said about melissa or joey. And then we get melissa and joey and they're the first to bring up theresa and I was like, oh my gosh, you're right. I was like that's not a good look for them and you know what.
Speaker 2:And then melissa's confessional where she's like I don't want to answer any questions, so forced.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry I'm so sorry that that was so forced and like I don't really want, like what take was that?
Speaker 2:she can't answer questions because if she does, it gets turned around on her. It does everything. They say just like you.
Speaker 1:It gets used against them like no, that was so phony and so fake, and she's like wait, can we do that again, wait, can we do that again? Wait, can we do that? She did that at least four or five times until she was like all right, we'll go with that one.
Speaker 2:That was stupid you know what else bothered me about danielle? No one bothered me about danielle nate. I don't do you. Don't you think it's weird to have your kids having gun shooting money out of it? Isn't that weird? Or is that weird? Or is that me? You're overthinking it I am okay, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:I thought it was weird in salt lake city when they were pretending to have the kids do shots and then, yes, that was that shit. Yeah, but having a money gun, that that's silly, that that's like playful silly, because the kids won't understand why that's weird. The adults will, yes, shots, though the kids will know what a shot is, you're true you're right. That's that's where my brain differentiates, that if the kid knows what the money gun is about, then that's on you as a parent and it's a little weird what about posting that?
Speaker 2:she posts that as her like kids instagram I think it's adorable.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think that that's innocent fun that that would be like when I when I was little, my parent, my grandparents, had a slot machine in their home. Yeah, obviously, when I'm a kid, I don't understand the things that come along with gambling and stuff it was just a big machine with lights and you put quarters on it and played then I get older and now I love to gamble and I get all of that along with it.
Speaker 2:But as a kid.
Speaker 1:I thought it was so cool and I told everyone of it. It was just neat. I don't know if I told. If I told people, oh yeah, we I'd be. If I was a kid who got fake shots, you know what I'd be saying we, we had shots for easter. And then the teacher would overhear it. They'd call the principal. The principal would call my parents. The parents would call like CPS, cps.
Speaker 2:Like my dad would bring my dad. We set my parents I'd never married Right. So my dad on the weekends he's an outlaw. So there's the bar on the weekends. So I was only three years old and my brother was like two, but I would my uncles, or you know his. The guys would like hide money around the bar. We thought it was cool to go around and find it and then like we would be sitting at the bar as kids like all day long.
Speaker 1:That's fun, see, and if you were in Utah.
Speaker 2:That thing was so fun back then. But now I'm like, oh my God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people would say like oh how, how dare you? Oh, that's the universe and it's like chill. They were just kids sitting in a bar, playing a game, looking for money. You're the you're the one making it a problem. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I like to think back now but like, yeah, it was just, it's just strange now, and see like, see my, where my brain was. I would have never thought that was until like these days now, you know like. But anyway. So it's Jen Fessler too. Look, I don't care if she called I like her, I, but I don't like it. I don't care if Teresa called you on your birthday, it doesn't matter. Your friend is saying to you that her husband did something awful to me. So why would you say then I'm not going to be friends with these people If you?
Speaker 1:if they did that to you, I'm not going to be friends with these people. If you, if they did that to you, I'm not going to be friends with these people. I get what she's trying to do, but coming from Margaret's perspective and this is this is a lot for me to say, because we know I could give two shits about Margaret yeah, jen is trying to play peacemaker, but she's not doing a good job of it, because she's also someone who you can tell needs to be liked by everybody. Yes, or at least that's how it comes across.
Speaker 1:So when she's like oh, teresa said happy birthday, and then Margaret's like no, and she's like well, remember when you told me, if you, if I said, if you don't want me to see them, I won't see them. And then Margaret's like yeah, and she's like well, then I won't see them.
Speaker 2:And it's like but then why are you so thrilled to tell her yeah, jen, jen, think, focus on you, focus on you, pick me, pick me like she is, yep, she wants to be picked by theresa and I think she might have seen that, like theresa is kind of the top person, like you know what I mean. She kind of is the person she in the very beginning. If theresa was warm to her she probably could have got on her. You know what I mean. She is kind of the person you want to stick by if you want to stay on the show. I mean I don't know how the people are gonna feel after this season, but I mean, you know, but I I just feel like, oh, it's like jen, really like.
Speaker 2:But even if that's true, why are you telling margaret that margaret don't want to hear it? Margaret and theresa will never be friends and they didn't even like each other last year when they were faking it. Because I told you well, if you remember, yeah, like that, I was pro theresa when it was, when marge wouldn't shut the fuck up about louis. It's like she told you five fucking times march, stop bringing it up. Like, yeah, like it shut the fuck up, so march again. Like you guys would never be friends. So well, you know, I know what louis did and I know what you think she did. But again, rachel or not? Rachel? Jennifer, don't bring that up to margaret, she doesn't want to fucking hear it. You know exactly like what the fuck are you telling me this? Are you fucking serious like? This bitch is really gonna fucking. You know what I mean right we're talking about the party.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess marge is going to be the one who's bringing jennifer to, or jennifer jesus bringing bringing fessler to her surprise party. And I know fessler's going. Oh my god, they're making me a big deal because she's only a friend of. But they make a big deal. They don't usually do that for a friend of having a party for them or the show. They let them have a party. You know what I mean. But this is the thing. These bitches don't want to hang out with each other.
Speaker 2:They gotta force them all to get together they have to do something exactly so you're not going to get melissa and theresa in the same room unless you do a party with somebody who's a middleman. You know so. But I like to ever at rachel's house and we we go to Rachel's house and I like seeing her family because I love, I love her Nona.
Speaker 1:Nona. I like Nona, I like Nona, I. You know I'm so disappointed because I started to like, I started liking Rachel and John. I did. They're just. When I say this, people are going to think it's because of one thing and not another. I'm just, I'm not. I'm not a fan and it has nothing to do with like me, agreeing with Teresa or anything. That's not the case of it. It's how they act and it's just how they behave and it's just their, their lack of awareness in some situations. That's what really rubs me the wrong way.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I my not liking rachel and john has nothing to do with other people not liking rachel and john yeah, I mean honestly I love them, I mean I respect that, I just, yeah, you know, I just don't feel the relevancy. I don't see the relevancy of his past sexual preference, if it was even anything, if that isn't anything. Or the fact that he may or may not used to be a drug dealer, which I found out he was never convicted of. So it's kind of defamatory. But before we even get into that poor known as upset, because she knows that they're going to have to be around, jen Fessler and I'm I'm sorry and Jen Aiden of Rachel's nose job last year and it just makes her it makes no net get a knot in her stomach. What did you see, little G, with her little, oh my God, when she said fucking chooch that's the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:I don't think they made her say what'd you, and then they're like what'd you say nothing?
Speaker 2:nothing and I but I used to listen. Last year I thought that they were. I was um, looking at, I would look at pictures and I always thought it was. Only it was the same baby. I didn't realize that there was two of them, right, the one who didn't, no, because they were both babies. Last year they both looked like babies and they look so much alike. So then I finally realized I was like rachel. There's two of them there, there are two.
Speaker 2:They're so fucking cute they're two and they're cute, fucking choo. I was like, oh my god. But I love that she, I love the nona, I love that she, I love the Nona, I love that she sticks up for her. And you know, at this point we see, look at you, jaden's bigger, he's like a small adult. He is a small. He's like a man, the kid, the son. He's cute, but she's adopted him by now. Calm down, he's underage. I'm more of look, I love you, rachel, but I'm food would be more. I'm like the daddy. No, sorry John, but he does look good though he's lost weight and they both look good.
Speaker 2:Fun fact, rachel's hair was real last year. But now I looked at her confessional and I'm assuming she has extensions in the one part, but I was like oh, oh, was like so jealous. I'm like, look at your extensions, I love your hair. She's like that is on my hair. I'm like, oh. And then I looked in her. It's just the one confessional. I think it's made it curlier or something anyway. But, um, we talk about party, but she's throwing it with Jeff. But we do see a future scene of her saying, like her and Jen become not friends or something. Something happens.
Speaker 2:I'm assuming it has to do with. It has to do with Teresa, because again she has to invite Teresa, rachel, and she says in the confessional and I don't blame her, your husband had me investigated, I don't fuck with people like that, and she didn't say it that way. But that's basically what I said last year. It's weird, it's very strange to assume that you're not going to be cool with people that wanted to be cool with you, meaning the group and then with louis. Nobody had a problem with them, everybody went into it wanting to accept him. Everybody tried to be friends. He was invited to all the husband things. He was cool, there were still shots, you know everybody was getting along.
Speaker 2:And then he has comes up and says I had john, I had giselle investigated and he takes it back. And then we find that it's true and it's like, yeah, I mean you had that done and you're like, okay, so you assume that we're not cool before we're even cool. And then of course, we're not going to be fucking cool. Because then I find out you did that. But not only did you do that, you reach out to my ex-wife where you have the. We find out now that wasn't, that was not made up. That has happened and the receipts are out, that they did in fact find her and make her reach out to the joy Rosenberg from the sun and blah, blah, blah, and you see all their seats and all that. Of course it came from her, the double-sided dildo and the drug addict drug dealer.
Speaker 1:Can I say I've used double-sided dildo as an insult about nine times since this episode and it's my new favorite.
Speaker 2:Can you tell me what like what would that be? That would, what kind of insult? What?
Speaker 1:do you mean?
Speaker 2:So he has one right. Wouldn't it be for a girl, or it doesn't matter, right?
Speaker 1:I mean guys get pegged by their girlfriends.
Speaker 2:Here's my thing.
Speaker 1:I know we'll get into it, but it's just eating at me. This is what I talk about when I say John Fuda annoys me and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Sure someone saying something about a double-sided dildo. This, this bothers me with anybody who doesn't know how to handle a rumor about themselves. Yeah, because and I don't, I don't necessarily fault people for this it just makes me wish people I. It makes me hope that people can grow from things and just become stronger individuals. Okay, great, double-sided dildo. Why not just be like yeah, me and my wife use it, because we use it we use it together.
Speaker 2:I don't think he even responded at all. I think he just laughed.
Speaker 1:Well he, he just laughed. He's like, oh you know, like purple dildo. It's like, buddy, just you're being dumb now.
Speaker 2:Now you're just you're wanting to cause a problem like get real well, I mean, look like I that's the least of what they've said, like what she said, like that's not the thing. It's like his past, I know, but like the fact that they thought that this was going to be an insult or like some kind of thing that was going to land, well, where you know, like bringing it up in the car later on and, like you know, making sure the rumor gets out there, making sure it gets out there, so then they can then film it and on the show jennifer and teresa go. We saw it in the.
Speaker 1:It was in the tabloids but I'd be, I'd be like if I was john, I'd be like, yeah me and my wife use it she pegs me, she's got a strap on, she's got a monster, she's got a monster dick and she uses on me every night. I'm jealous. I mean, that's kind of jealous. You want. Do you want to sleep with my wife he? Just goes he just goes.
Speaker 1:Oh well apparently I like purple dildo buddy. There's gotta be power behind what you say, and there's no power in it You're just looking like a mean, misogynistic, angry man, chill focus focus. What you're trying to do here all right well, especially when it comes to dealing with a woman. You don't approach a woman the same way you approach a man, but they approached him think about it.
Speaker 2:Did you say they did, it's just I, I'm so. What happened?
Speaker 1:what happened was. What happened was she was grabbing candy. He walked by, she said double sided dildo, and then that was gonna be it. And then, drunk ass, rachel goes. Oh, here comes the biggest drug dealer in bergen County. They're leaving and Rachel is the one who decides to walk over to Teresa and get it going. They were on their way out, so I'm not going to play the game of they approached him, because that's not what happened. We can all rewatch the episode, okay.
Speaker 2:Well, they approached Rachel then.
Speaker 1:They told her goodbye and then Rachel started the whole thing and they walked off. And after they walked off he walked up, the insult happened, they were going to leave and then rachel went back to them.
Speaker 2:I just watched it okay, so, so, okay, I'm trying to read my news. So what so? What happened? The interaction, like so, in the car on the way there they're gonna, they talk about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, her and Jennifer, so what, so, what, I can't even remember. So how, exactly, what did she say to her Rachel? So did they even? They didn't even say hi. They said hi to Marge, or whatever Marge says hi, and then I see Marge says hi to Jennifer.
Speaker 2:Not Teresa. She just looks at her and is like so who brought up the drug dealer? How did this whole drug dealer thing start?
Speaker 1:oh, rachel says, here comes the biggest drug dealer in bergen county right, because before that, yeah, theresa was saying when your husband saw my husband because theresa said your husband said like I really respect your wife or I appreciate her because I was also in prison, but like that's what she says.
Speaker 1:and then that's when Teresa's like because he was a drug dealer in, and then but that was a private conversation that they were having separate. And then that was when Teresa and Jennifer left and they were getting candy. John walked by, she said that they were leaving and then Rachel went right back to Teresa and Rachel kept. Rachel's the one who kept it going, rachel's the one who restarted that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But see, if you're going to say that shit, you better keep that same energy when my husband walks in and say to him that's my problem and that's exactly what Rachel said, and I would have fucking said it too. You want to say shit about my husband? Say it to his face, because it's just going to make you look stupid, because maybe he was a drug dealer and maybe he was an addict, like I was, or whoever anybody else was. That was in 20 fucking 2.
Speaker 2:Bitch, you just got out of prison in 2015. So he has not been convicted. You, bitch, have been convicted of a felony, and a felony which makes you look like a fucking liar. So you're a liar and you're convicted on paper of being a fucking liar and a felon. So for you to bring up somebody's fucking past because they were a drug dealer or on drugs, okay, let's talk about the other things that she's been saying about her family, but we'll just, we'll, just, I, just, I, just, I, just, completely. If you, you can argue with John all you want. Call him, I don't know, fucking fat, I'm not even. Actually don't. Don't call him Buddha, cause I called him Buddha. They call him John Buddha. Okay, goes in these messages and I'm like no, we don't body shame.
Speaker 2:They start body shaming in in in social media and I'm just like, like it's just, it's stupid, like and I invited these women to come on to my live or onto anywhere in these podcasts and discuss it with us, like, if you want to discuss, or you have, like I'm trying to point out facts, and they're like you're ugly, you're crazy, you're a drug. This is what's happening. They think you guys are acting just like them, like calling people names, when it's like you don't, you forget, you just got out of prison and nobody's shaming you for that, like nobody's going after. That's the thing. Nobody's going after. Nobody went after Teresa, nobody decided that, nobody was going to take Louie down. That's not a thing. When she's sitting with Paulie and Dolores and and she says, oh well, frank said, yeah, they got together, teresa, because they found out that he said he would got Bo deal to investigate everybody.
Speaker 2:And then the thing with Brittany came out John food is wife, ex wife, ex girlfriend, whatever. And they wanted to all get together and literally say, oh my God, oh my God, he did this, he did that, he did that Just like all the women used to get together. Just like Dolores said, it's not a real big thing. But the whole reason they got together is because of what Louie said. They weren't going to take you down, teresa. They were bringing up the shit that you guys were about to bring up at the reunion and they just wanted to have literally proof and facts that what you're saying is not true, or true.
Speaker 2:And then it comes out now that it is true, you did get a hold of britney, you did have all that happened, and then brain john for it and then destroy him in social and destroy him on twitter, and it's just. It's just it to me. Like you can fight with these people all you want. Like you can. I would rather her fight with joey and melissa at this point than call people out for being drug addicts, drug dealers or whatever. You know what I mean. Like say dumb things like that. Like if you're really hurt, like I want to know what you're so mad at jelly about, you would have thought that I really thought that the first fight was really going to be them at this party, like I did. I. I really I didn't see, I don't even know. Like, after watching it, it is kind of like you said. It's kind of it's such a stupid argument to have, but like not when you think about, like you know the deeper stuff, like you know, obviously his kid knows what's going on, but like, well, you know here's.
Speaker 1:Here's a thought for you that I've also had, and I've only had it Cause obviously I'm just kind of fresh into housewives the last few years. Yeah, I'm just kind of fresh into housewives the last few years. Yeah. What I find funny is how fan bases choose to be angry when the same stuff happens on every franchise with different people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, guess what Currently?
Speaker 1:currently what's happening in New Jersey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have somebody paying content creators to smear your fucking castmates. That's what's funny.
Speaker 1:We just had a whole season of that in salt Lake, but then we also had meredith marks hiring private investigators against the people. But then we had everyone accusing meredith marks of popping pills all the time.
Speaker 1:So it's like hold on a minute yeah because in new jersey the same stuff is happening that went on in salt lake. But when it went on in salt lake, it was just like someone saying, oh, your shoes are ugly, and then they moved on. But then in new jersey, for some reason, it's like someone stabbed someone in the throat and no one can get over it. It's not that, though. It's way deeper. And then it's been going on for the the. What was it? What was it? Um, like even new jersey and beverly hills has a lot of the same kind of stuff going on. It's like in beverly hills, no one bats an eye at it. And then in new jersey, it's like, oh my gosh, no one can shut up about it. And it's not like the housewives can't shut. It's like none of this fan base can shut up about it. Like it's not that groundbreaking.
Speaker 2:We're seeing it over and over and over just because it's just because she for years has been literally denying all of this and it's not like she just started this. We fit it's this way back before she even met louis, which shocks the fuck out of me. I have been blaming him for two years for making jersey, as you bring it up, jersey being toxic af, because the same thing I'm I. I said if you're not going to fire theresa, it's a big deal now because of on teeth and also because it's like, oh my god, you've went across. She says she did this. Now I my question was why, why, why do you want your brother's son to be revealed?
Speaker 2:as not a gorga that's her latest thing and like, um, if that even said on camera, I don't know, but like I think it is said later on in the season. But when you find out that somebody and this is just because you're just your fucking family member, it's not just the food is she decided that if she wasn't going, she swore that her brother and Joey weren't coming back this season.
Speaker 1:Can I say something controversial on the?
Speaker 2:family member thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, say something controversial on the family member thing. Yeah, uh, just just because of I'm watching it through a lens of understanding how, once family's dead to you, they're dead to you right I'm not saying I agree with what she's doing because I wouldn't do stuff like this, but at the same time, if the family member that, if the family that's dead to me, if I saw like them getting drugged through the mud and shit happening to them because we'd be throwing, we'd be throwing parties but they're the ones that are putting it out there we found that's fine it's not, though.
Speaker 1:I mean, it is if I, if I could, if I could with some of them, knowing that if I didn't have a soul or if I was a different type of person, yeah, there's a lot of stuff I would and could do with some family that's dead to me and I dream about it and I think about it from time to time. So it's like part of me is jealous that she has the balls to do it. But also I get she's on a TV show and she knows that doing the most outrageous stuff is really going to keep her on there and it's all for longevity. I mean, she agreed to do house of villains. She's playing into the role. She knows what she's doing. Oh God, the problem it's for now. This is me looking at it through a TV show and it's not a family. If all of them actually had this big problem with each other, sure, they're not agreeing to film with each other, but at the end of the day, what are they doing? They're showing up to their call times.
Speaker 2:They're showing up to film they're doing, they're playing, they're feeding into it because they know what it's doing. Well, I mean, at this point, nobody had a problem. This is the this is my problem. Nobody told her that she had to take out other family cast members, family members. Nobody told her she wasn't the top bitch, because she was and she was.
Speaker 2:Teresa, is, was whatever she was and when she was getting along with everyone, with the fact that she has made it so clear that she was not wanting to be fucking filled with any of them. She does not. That is not on anybody else. Nobody else should be punished for that. No other cast member doesn't want to film with another cast member. It's only Teresa. It's the only one. That's where her brother wasn't coming back and that's why she said punished for that. No other cast member doesn't want to film with another cast member. It's only Teresa. She's the only one that swore her brother wasn't coming back and that's why she said well, if I don't have him to fight with, I need to fight with other people. No, that's not why you make up the rumors. You bring out the rumors about FUDA. That's not a thing.
Speaker 2:Who told you we want to see that? Who told her that we want to see that as viewers we don't fucking want to see you. Nobody said you had to take out other cast members. Nobody said you had to fight with them. Nobody had to give you a storyline. Teresa is beautiful. You met a nice guy who allegedly we can get into Louie later. But just say he's a nice guy, he's a great guy, makes her happy. Whatever In her little delusional mind she's a happy love bubble. If you're so fucking happy, what are you so?
Speaker 1:goddamn angry for Listen. Like I'm angry I mean I'll speak for myself. I don't agree with we. The more messy and chaotic and dramatic it is, the more I want to see it.
Speaker 1:So, this is what I want. So when you say this isn't what we want, I mean, let's be real though, because when everyone gets along and it's kumbaya, it's boring, and when it's messy and like this, this is what gets us talking. This is what gets us going. If everyone got along, what we're doing right now wouldn't be interesting. The show wouldn't be interesting. If I want that, I'll watch 90 day fiance or like house hunters. I don't watch that. I watch this because these women actually despise each other.
Speaker 1:That's what makes it fun, but what I give theresa right now, no, I want you to even though, even though she's like denying it on camera at the moment yeah, she's she's playing into it. Now she's doing, she's doing house of villains, she's doing all of her crap, and now she's like oh, I you know, like, okay, you're playing the game now and I, I okay I like this an actress.
Speaker 2:She's a good actress. She really is. I couldn't believe it because, listen, I was shocked. I was shocked that she, like I really believed that louis was the one who hated everybody. I didn't think she hated everybody as much as she in her. I really thought when she was like I love remember, I was like when she wanted her brother at the wedding, I was crying for her. I thought louie made it not happen. I really didn't think she hated them like she is such a good actress. I couldn't even.
Speaker 1:I'm like this fucking bitch, oh my god like no, you got to give joey and melissa credit too, because they're good, they're good too. They're legitimately hurt no, joey and melissa are actual trash. No, they're not actual trash hot garbage they're hot garbage. I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even spit in their direction.
Speaker 2:They're disgusting tell me why, because that's what louis says. Why do you think that?
Speaker 1:They're phony, they're self-absorbed. They have no self-awareness. Joey has a problem with needing to be in control of every situation. I mean my mom even pegged it and we just said it. They were the first people in the episode to talk about Teresa. That's all they're constantly thinking about, obsessing about talking about, but it's not because they're genuinely sad. They've never been genuinely sad about it. They've always looked for the one escape to get out of trying to have a relationship wait a minute.
Speaker 2:What if the edit was fucked up? What if they weren't the first ones to bring it up? Because louis brought it up too right, so maybe they have to edit this.
Speaker 1:It has nothing to do with the edit.
Speaker 2:All they talk about is theresa but we didn't know that he was gonna. We, I mean, I was shocked, I'm actually. I'm actually mad that he did bring it up, because I'm like, joe, what the fuck are you doing? Just stop. I agree, I don't think you should, because at this point, anything they say, like you're doing right now, it's going to be used against them.
Speaker 1:Everything they say is used against them because they're phony and you can only make up so much shit for so long, until it catches up with you. Look what's happening with theresa yeah, you're fucked up, bitch. You're done fucked up, but you got caught and I'm sorry, theresa and joey are related by blood and they were brought up the same and this, and that I mean. It's sad.
Speaker 2:They're all their own people, but at the same time they're also the same, but they so see, I feel like you were put like everybody puts it on them to make up with theresa all the time, and I think they always have tried. But, when you like, at this point there's no coming back from this. Now this is definitely over, but, like last year, there was at least a fighting chance. Even with everything that happened, there was a fighting chance of them ever reconciling, because I think it's so sad that she and he both of them that there is no relationship and they're never joey never wanted to reconcile with her.
Speaker 1:It was melissa. Melissa over asserted herself, it got to the point it was annoying, annoying. They should have just let the relationship die and then in years it's like gone on. It may have or may not have just made itself work, naturally, but do you know why that didn't happen? That didn't happen because melissa needed fame and attention and she needed to be on the show. So ultimately, all she really cared about was herself. Because if she truly about cared about them mending a relationship, she could have been like like you know what? This isn't healthy, this isn't good. Maybe I should step away. Maybe you two should work on this privately. It was never about that. She needed a record deal, she needed a podcast. She needed all this bullshit because it's, in the end, always been about Melissa getting her attention. But she wants to come across as like but their brother and sister. They know it's never been about that. It's been what Teresa says. This is a good storyline. Let's keep it going.
Speaker 2:It's not true.
Speaker 1:I don't feel that true.
Speaker 2:I don't feel that I totally disagree. I totally feel like I do feel like they really wanted to. It's just because, listen, why, what would make them not want a relationship with treat? Like, why wouldn't he want a relationship with? Like, why wouldn't he want a relationship with his sister? And he says what would make that like why there was no once jude, like once she went away and then juicy was like going that day in the parents room, I was going like that was the only people they had left. Like I don't know what would make them not want a relationship with her oh, you don't need a reason for that sometimes the parents die.
Speaker 1:And that's when you realize, oh, I don't want you around at all you love your sister and you love your brother so allegedly.
Speaker 2:Now we really fucking hate him. But I mean, I don't know. But and then tell me where the hate comes from, because he doesn't hate her. She obviously hates him. It's she's said it a million she. Now she's been. We haven't seen her. She's writing it, she's, we've heard her say it. Now, what does she hate him for? Why? And then there's no good reason. And then she does an interview this week or I don't know when. The interview was with what's his name? Jerry O'Connell? And the questions are asked again why are you not?
Speaker 2:What's with the shows and oh, they made my wedding about themselves. That's why you're mad. That was 2022, bitch. What about the fucking 13 years before that? What about all these goddamn DMs and three-way messages and calls with your lawyer? And these podcasters the one that you made, I hope, my co-host at one point? Fucking bitch, literally, she's one of them. What is with you hiring people to smear people on the cast and then you talking about it? And if you're really good freaking, if you're really a good mobster, teresa, like we're supposed to be around here. You're embarrassing. You wouldn't put it in writing and you could deny this. But now they have a her and Jennifer had a gag order. They're not allowed to speak to anybody. Because you know why? Because they did illegal things. They sent out screeners. They're probably being fired and I probably promised myself I wouldn't get on and on like this, but I just can't.
Speaker 2:I wish I could watch the episodes every week and really believe that she's I don't know, I don't know in love and a love bubble. If I was just watching it and not knowing what was happening, I'd be like why? I would be pissed that she's bringing this shit the fuck up. I would be like as a viewer, I'd be like why do you have to fight these? And I'm like all right, you don't like them. You don't like them, like I would see that I would look at it as like everybody's trying to get along with her. I would. And then it's just not working because I would have known what was happening.
Speaker 2:In social media it looked. It would look like, oh, here we go. And it would be kind of interesting and funny and light-hearted because it was a stupid dig. You know what I mean, but it's just to know that leaf went here last reunion. You know, asking her, have you? You know, actually, john said where'd you hear that from? And she goes, your ex-wife, oh, I mean in social media. She gave it away right away. It's like theresa, you just said you talked to her, but you know, obviously. Then you know you have to lie and say you saw on social media, but then we have receipts of you saying you have to put this out now because I got to bring it up at the party.
Speaker 2:It's like really, come on, man, like can you just be honest and have a good show? And I don't know who I'm saying. Is it the showrunners putting this in her head, like they did the fucking stupid Heather McGay telling her to say this and do this? And this is going to be your storyline, because that's really what happened, right, that's truly what happened in salt lake, right, that they did the showrunners each.
Speaker 2:There was a showrunner on each side of the we'll say monica, and then one with a different one, with heather, and then they told monica not to talk about von teese, but then they told heather not to, and then they told heather in the end to bring it up and make it a thing. And then we get all up ass backwards and we say that you know, we find out how they're new the whole time, but it was really the showrunners. That's what they're not the same thing. They also twitter on saying about the black eye and make it look like jen did it. Is that? Is that really happen, like you know, and just say we don't have to. We don't have to say who you talk to on the cast, but, like from your experience and who what you hear, is that happening? Is that what happens?
Speaker 1:because I feel like I I, I believe it happens on every show, every one of the franchises they have to um, because I mean there are people that are hired specifically to help us to do that. Okay, storylines move along. But one final thing I do want to say here yeah, because I do remember one thing vividly we talked about last time when you asked me about, like, family secrets. Yeah, yeah, um, so on to every point that you have, because I fully understand how you feel about that, because I get it, because everything you're saying makes sense, like everything you say makes sense. Yeah. So what I will say to convey again yeah, because I know when things get heated and people listen, they forget things. I'll remind everybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't much care for watching New Jersey, it's my least favorite. I don't just willingly sit and watch the show. I'm doing this right now Cause this is fun and we get to hang out now weekly. Um, but the reason this show is hard, it goes back to you asking me that question again, like about secrets and family secrets. Um, secrets in my brain, just in general, are bad, but when they're family secrets, um not only are they bad, but some of them can be dangerous.
Speaker 1:The last people you should be having secrets from is your family, because when you have secrets with your family, you see what happens. There's all this fallout. There's all this from an outsider looks like unwarranted hate. So when I watch the show and I'm saying like why I'm on someone's side or why I'm not, or why I say, specifically, joey and Melissa appear one way or another. Yeah, I'm watching this show through a lens of remembering how I grew up as a child and what I saw is what I'm now seeing on this show. So as a kid, you're seeing these people who were apparently so close, so loving, got together all the time, and then you learn from the time they were children until now, they all, really just everyone seems to have hated one person or hated another. This sibling hates this sibling, the parents hate each other. Like it's just this constant mess. You really question okay, how do they feel? And then you have family members who turn against you, specifically when you do nothing yeah and you just see all this stuff.
Speaker 1:But then you see another family member hurt your parent and yeah, these people are on a show so we can all view and watch it right but for those kids, like we don't know how they view it, how they see it, how these families see it.
Speaker 1:And then for people like me who were obviously never on a show right, you don't have other people chiming in and giving their two cents and seeing this and it's like for the fan bases, in my opinion, to get as heated as they are it's with the melissa, theresa, stuff and they didn't even get paid. Really, that is disgusting. It's so bad. That is disgusting.
Speaker 2:But it wasn't even like yeah, yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 1:So viewing everything with me, like I don't know the social media stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know any of it. Yeah, I just base it off of watching the show Right, seeing their character Mm-hmm, and kind of seeing how they interact with how they post their own things and it's very telling. And I've actually named almost every person on the show after people in my own extended family, because they all match exactly the type of people that affect me and my me and my close family, my immediate family.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, yeah, my close family, my immediate family, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's rough watching a trip.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just. I mean I just the family secret thing is I, my, I, the, the family secrets weren't even. They were made up, that's the thing. Like she wasn't really a stripper, she didn't really cheat, and like this. Now this other one about little Joey not being Joe's and saying that my parents said so, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:Like you're bringing this up and it's not even ever been, as far as I know. I don't think it's ever been. I don't think that's. But why in the world would you want so badly to hurt your brother and but then have little Joey? Hear that Cause it's when I think that's the next episode or next episode. But not only that, but what for Nobody's fighting with you If this and I think for the, if there wasn't for the show, they would probably not be each other's life, they wouldn't have to interact. They wouldn't be having to do or interact. And I don't know what theresa thinks this is doing. I it's not, because this is the only episode, this is probably the only um franchise where what happens like they're they, whatever's happening on the show, is happening in real life, because it's just a continuation, because they're all connected to each other.
Speaker 2:You know like right still friends with, but you know with her and you know they're actually real friends. And then, like, you know, like what's? So it's just hard to really, and I said this, it's hard to recap, it's hard to talk about it because as much and now social media thing, I didn't get deep into what was going on as far as them turning on each other, blah, blah. I just got caught up with, I just found out is like what's? What made it so toxic two years ago is what we're seeing from the one girl that has turned on it.
Speaker 2:There's a group of five people that have been working different accounts and like the trade fab, whatever, and they have been fighting with each other back and forth, which I was like it's all bullshit, stupid, stupid, stupid. Until it comes out that they were paying these people to do this, which I said for years because I found out being a co-host with somebody wanted to use me as a patsy with housewife historian, and when she I found out why all this stuff was going on, I found out that Lou was paying her and not all these other people, and I couldn't prove it. So for two years we just I've just been screaming it and I thought it was Louie. I never thought it was Teresa or Jim. And it is Jim the lawyer. And now did you know that her namaste bitches. They're broken up now too, she does not now have a podcast host?
Speaker 2:She's not. They got rid of her. So, teresa, now I thought Louie was getting rid of everybody in her life and then come to find out it's really her fighting with these people. I don't know if louis has a lot of influence on it and I'm sorry that I keep bringing back to the social media thing, but I'm trying to watch, I'm trying to watch it, but I can't watch the show. I can talk about it, but it just to watch it, knowing that, like she thought that the viewers wanted to see these fights or something like I don't know, I feel like what happened was we got so used to criminal behavior, with what, getting excited with beverly hills, with the whole erica thing, and her keep banging on the show and, like everything, talking about tom, tom, tom. Then we got so used to jen shaw, jen shaw, I, she, I, she makes my soul hurt, she. I screamed about her stupidity for two years, about claiming not guilty, not guilty, that, and we got to. We wanted to see that. As much as I hated her, I hate watched it. Everybody watched it for that reason and everybody still. You know what I mean. So I, everybody watches it, but I also.
Speaker 2:Now I am watching the hurt that's happening, like I just I'm defending these people because I'm like why does she? And I'm trying to figure out why does it make me so angry? But because I'm always the outcast in my family and it's not because I got, you know, my name was drugged last year because I was assumed to be associated with this one person. I've never, ever, taken my. I've never even talked about these people. I don't go through social media and argue with anybody. I've defended Teresa here and there and then I got my head kit. Like literally they come after me like crazy her fans. So I stopped doing it until just recently and I said, fuck this shit. Like I'm not going to talk about all the other little stuff, but the receipts that are coming out now proves what I've been saying, why I got death threats from him and why, like you know, stop talking about me. It's, it was all you know. And I'm trying to even be. I love to. I even said last week I mean, look, there's digital proof every week of me saying I'm team Teresa, I'm just team Aunt Louie.
Speaker 2:I think he's dangerous. I think that this, I think that I think this. I think that Having people look up and stalk his ex-wife or stalk Vanessa when there's a stalking case going on in court currently? Well, it was. And then you know what happened in court currently. Well, it was, and then what happened in court. It's just. There's so much, and I don't know why she's okay with this. Why are you okay with somebody who was stalking his ex-fiance back in February and you were sending people out to stalk her for him? Does that not make you think he's still in love with her? Would you not think he's still in love with Vanessa? Why does he care so much what Vanessa's doing?
Speaker 1:You know it's funny Cause you say all that. The other thing I think of also, it's just because I mean I really I don't let it upset me that much, like I'll get goofy mad, but like, like you're saying, some people get like mad, like they're defending their own children and it's like calm down.
Speaker 1:One thing I think of, especially with, mostly with new jersey. Yeah, me, I'm only speaking for myself here. Yeah, yeah, I can only hear so much how two certain people, meaning melissa and theresa, don't want to film each other when both of them have the power to step away. They do so if one's not stepping away. Neither is the other. I can only assume they know what they're doing. So I can't fully for either of them, say that one of them truly cares about the other, because I really just feel like they know what they're doing to stay on the show they do.
Speaker 1:The only person right now playing into it well, as a villain is Teresa. Really just feel like they know what they're doing to stay on the show. Um, they do. The only person right now playing into it well, as a villain is theresa. So, melissa, melissa either needs to humble herself and have like a redemption arc where she's like you know what she's trying to do, but it's not working. Where she's like, okay, I'll film because she did it. She said, okay, I'll film with theresa, I need, but melissa needs to go harder that if it's going to work. So the fact that she's now said that, with this going on, I'm just like see. This is why I don't buy into this bullcrap all the way, like most people, because they're they play this up.
Speaker 2:So much for the show but theresa and melissa, I don't think. Yeah, I well, I actually didn't blame them. I was blaming all the fucking content creators, all of us, because we do kind of keep them relevant in between. It's another thing I would say I don't care if there's a lot of this stuff that goes around. I wasn't really that mad about it. It keeps them relevant and I'm like stop being mad about it and just let it go.
Speaker 1:My point is just if any of them Teresa, melissa, margaret, if anyone is that upset, they all can just not renew their contract, but every one of them keeps doing it, so they must not be that upset.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I don't know, I know, I don't know what's going to happen. I've stepped away from stuff.
Speaker 1:I've said no. I've said no because people working on it are not good for me and they're bad. They have the power to step away. Guess what? They don't want to. So for the people that get as emotionally invested as they do, you're being silly and you're being duped. Just watch this show and have fun with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know I agree, I just I agree, I just have healthy debates like this.
Speaker 1:but like this, yeah, I like, like this yeah.
Speaker 2:I like hearing other people and I say this all the time I welcome opposing opinions because I don't think I'm always right. So that's why I ask you, like, what do you think? Like I want opposing, because I want other perspectives, because I'm trying to figure this out. Like I don't understand where, like I would see this as stepping away, I agree, where, like I would see this, I think, stepping away, I agree, I would have. Probably, if I were margaret, I would have I with oc.
Speaker 2:This brings up a really really thing with oc roswell's right now. I thought shannon pedora should have stepped away because bravo hires her ex-fiancee and his new that she had to have him bring back jesus jugs. That is so fucking toxic. Toxic for Shannon, after she's a drunk who just had I'm sorry, not an alcoholic in recovery who hit a house and it made a series of bad decisions and that's mentally not okay and that's what destroy her to see these two together. Knowing that they hired these two people for a storyline, shannon should have said fuck the storyline, you don't get one, I'm out of here. Then fucking flounder over here Cause they want to use me as a storyline. Then, if I'm not in it, what are they going to? What the fuck is Jesus drugs here for them.
Speaker 1:See, okay, I get what you're saying, but then again here's my thing. The only reason I say that with New Jersey is because they complain about how they hate each other, but they never step away. However, the the thing with OC. I like the Shandon step boy because we know the mess that's just happened. We know the mess we're gonna get dangerous though for her mental health if I I'm watching. I'm watching this show for entertainment.
Speaker 1:I'm not really. I'm not their parent, I'm not their family member like I want. I want them to entertain me. I do. I care if they're healthy and fine, yes, but do I also want them messy and outrageous? Of course I do. That makes the show better. So that's why I say the fans scream that they want mess and chaos. But then they're like, oh, but you need to be off the show because of that. What do you want then? What do you want? Do you want kumbaya or do you want holy shit? Because it seems like everyone wants something in the middle, and in the middle is TLC reality TV and TLC is not the best.
Speaker 2:Right, bravo is.
Speaker 1:Bravo for a reason.
Speaker 2:Can I remind you of something? I just want to remind you back to the season of Salt Lake city. You know you have to understand my, because I remember how upset you got with a lot of things that were going on with you and you voiced it. But you get it because you live there and you feel a little bit more. And you know because you're a little bit more emotionally invested, because you do know these people and it's like you know you're watching it, but you also know what they're going through behind the scenes and that's how I feel like I'm watching it, just like you watch Salt Lake. So when you get like I don't I don't really hear it in your podcast, but I see it like with one social media cause you guys can always follow us too. I forget to say that too. Follow us on Instagram. We're really active over there, but like we like, that's where I would say like you have to understand why I get so upset, like because that's not I loosely know them. I know you know there's six degrees of separation and I feel like that might be part of it too.
Speaker 2:I've been fucked over by a lot of people just in my circle of Jersey people, but I'm also very sensitive and I'm very, I'm like very, teresa, where I either love you or I hate you. There's no in between with me and I hate that about myself. Like it's just a, it's a mental health thing, but so it's kind of like I'm trying to like, be like, okay, well it's not, and say it's not that serious, and you know, but I can't help. They get very like emotionally invested but like you did, you were like I feel like you just got as emotionally invested as I do when it was salt lake and you knew that there was like these circus tricks, hat tricks going on behind the scenes and the people that there was like these circus tricks, hat tricks going on behind the scenes and the people that you care about, are getting hurt for the goddamn show, basically selling their soul. And I'm not saying that the people, the victims, are selling their souls, like you know. I feel like Monica was a victim, I feel like Whitney's a victim and you know, but they're not stepping away, they shouldn't have to, and I feel like the whole cast of Jersey would have to step away not to get hurt. You know it's like is that's not fair? I think the two people doing the hurt should step away.
Speaker 2:But to your, I know my point was, my whole point was I just hope that you understand, like, why I get so upset. It's not and I and I. It's. It is a little bit triggering, but it's not because I feel like you know I love her. You know like I'm not like they're not my family members, they're not my best friends, I'm not fighting for them like that. I just feel like I just see it like being so fucked and it's also made it really hard to talk about in social media. It's hard to talk about the show now because you get your head bit off and I didn't want it to be toxic like this. I didn't want people to not want to watch the show because of it. I didn't want it to feel like this and I couldn't figure out why it felt like the rock bottom of reality television lately.
Speaker 2:Why did Jersey get so toxic in social media, with people fighting? And then I found out it's because they were making it that way. They're making people like Haiti Like. I couldn't understand why people were like going back and forth, like so, and I'm like are you people invest? Are you married? I would be like are you from from here. Are you like getting paid a lot of money, like what are you fighting for these people for? Like this, and I'm like just stop, it's stupid. But then I find out they're the ones fucking creating and perpetuating it. And it's like jesus, and it's like I fought for monica because I thought with monica, with social media, with vanteese I'm calling theresa, theresa vanteese and I'm not trying to be a hypocrite with saying Monica should be there. And if you're going to say your man, monica was only like literally putting out shit about somebody who was not on the show any longer, who hurt her, who was a felon and was also asking her to be a felon and not paying her, and that's.
Speaker 2:You know, jen Shaw, yeah, these are people that are still on the show. They haven't done anything wrong. You know like you're, you're being, you're being von teese. These people haven't done anything and you're it's like it's like von teese. It's like literally von teese and like all of like they.
Speaker 2:Essentially it's like tanisha. You know what I mean. There's podcasters that are going swimming at theresa's house. So you like tanisha being heather's hairdresser. You know like, you still have people in your circle that are doing this. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And it's like why, what the hell Like? And then we're trying to watch. I'm trying to watch Salt Lake and I don't and I'm saying, like people say I can't watch it. I'm not going to watch it because if they're going to do this shit, I can't watch it. It makes me want to kill Heather Oops, I didn't say that. It makes me want to really angry. Our podcast for our you know, our, our content, our content is shit now because you can't even have content, because you get your head bit the fuck off, you know. But then, like, it got so bad where I wouldn't even like I was. So I was like, I was like literally, thank god for you. Yeah, thank god, monica, you fought so hard for my girl, like, and you, you were so right about everything you said about heather and you made sure it was put out there, you made sure people knew what she was doing and you didn't let go and, thank God, she had a bond with you.
Speaker 1:Well, it really is funny how my podcast started, because when season four was going on, I really was just frustrated with how Lisa didn't understand anything Heather was saying about the mission. So I'm like, okay, okay, let's start this to kind of back heather up. And then I went going and it went from like a heather support appreciation podcast to a heather hate podcast. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, oh, my god, I did like that's one thing about me.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter what franchise it is yeah like, let's say, later down the road, monica does some shitty behavior, I will flip on her too. I don't personally. I know of these people and we've chatted most of them. Yeah, I don't know any of them, though, like, this is a show, so it's easy for me to flip-flop. If I actually personally knew any of these people, it'd be a lot different. I don't well, okay.
Speaker 2:Well, I think too, like people that listen to my show and watch me on, like they know I go from, we can go from topic to topic. We've already talked about dirty we can. We got it like what? What does it cut us off at 120? Oh, yeah, I think, like I think it's fun. We should talk about other because you watch all the franchises. I think, right, I do now. Yeah, yeah, oc like oc was my favorite. Like oc is what I started with, because I think it was the first one, and then Salt Lake was my favorite, and then now I'm just like Salt Lake. I thought last year I thought they were doing parodies of old Beverly Hills. I was. You can live.
Speaker 1:That's funny.
Speaker 2:That whole scene with them in that backyard I'm actually wearing my meredith marks.
Speaker 1:You can leave hoodie right now are you really you have?
Speaker 2:oh my god, I love that so much I could. I was like oh my god they. And like the 25 000 sunglasses. I swear it was like lisa's 60 000 was dana's 25 000 sunglasses because, she lost. I'm like she, that's funny yeah and it seemed like the same thing.
Speaker 1:It did. I didn't even think of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And then you're like you have the husband, who was a fraud, but you have like so they're always making up something about somebody's husband. I'm like, oh my god, they're doing scenes. And then the dinner table, the dinner from hell. That was in Beverly Hills. When Lisa Rinna talk about my husband and like almost like choked out, kim, that was literally like my, you can leave. It's like you got. And it was so hilarious and lisa not wanting to, I'm telling you I can talk about, bravo, I can talk about this shit for hours. It was so hysterical. Lisa barlow I can't effing stand her, her and Heather gay I just feel like Lisa got so fake and just so stupid. And so delusion. Does this? The delusion of housewives? That gets me upset. Like they get disillusioned by what they think we want to see or not see.
Speaker 1:I mean she, lisa Barlow, is a better villain though, so like, just get rid of Heather and keep Lisa, because Lisa at least contributes more to the story. I mean we've got the hot mic moment with.
Speaker 1:Lisa, oh my god that was and if you think about it, um, because we got what we got with season three, that they had to tiptoe around because of Jen, but season four happened. Lisa and Meredith still haven't addressed that moment after three years. I know they've really not fully confronted it. It's just been, lisa, like I'm sorry, can't you accept that? I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:And then meredith just is like fine do you think that's how she really feels? I felt like that's how lisa really felt 100 yeah because that's fucking. That was a lot, and even though it was like stupid, you're, who are you're this? You're that, your best fucking friend? I was like that's what she said about Meredith.
Speaker 1:You know, even ex, even ex friends of mine who I despise. Now, yeah, I've, I've never said anything like that about an ex friend of mine.
Speaker 2:Until we do our show. Real Housewives of Methville.
Speaker 1:Oh geez.
Speaker 2:I got one day. One day I got it. One day I said these bitches around here, our friends, are going to get fucked in the end. I'm telling you cause I got receipts now Because people had to recreate, try to recreate history for me. My ex-best friend, who is I'm not going to say what she, what her involvement with Teresa is, but it's like not any longer, but like it just I've been so effed in the air. It just I've been so effed in the air Like it just makes me like one day, if these bitches don't shut up and these people have fucked me over, I will put out an episode in it, a couple, a whole episode season of Real Housewives of Methville, and that's what I'm going to just literally destroy them all.
Speaker 2:But anyway, that's just me, because I'm telling you, jersey, I can't believe. Like, I feel like it's me, though it's gotta be me. I'm like the common denominator. I cut all these assholes off because it's like you left me over. So I'm kind of like Teresa in that way, like I kind of understand where she can do that, where she's just done with somebody, and like I'm done with my one sister. She's in it, I have to. She's on the streets and you know, and she's not good for my health and all that.
Speaker 2:But, like I have reasons, you know, like I and my sister mother says, like you're a sociopath. She's like how do you just, how are people just dead? You and you just can't look back and I I don't, I can't explain it. I just they've done a lot of things. You know it's yeah, I can fuck up all by myself. I don't need help like I need my like. I mean it's very hard to stay sober and you know, primarily not being an adult and have an adult life.
Speaker 2:And, like you know, that's why I got mad at the man about the John Fuda thing. Like this man, he might have used it. It was 20, 20 years ago. You know I did drugs for a long time, fucking hard to do what he's done and be the only parent out there that's not in prison. And then you know, raising a son that long ago and having to stay clean and out of jail and all that crap, you know. And then just build a business and sustain a life and then go on a route. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So to bring up something like that. That's why I'm just like it's like it's. You know people are out there just destroying his character over that. You know what I mean. And you know people are out there just destroying his character over that. You know what I mean. And it's like, wow, man, like don't you realize that people like, if you look at it, like really look at it, he's not that any longer. You can tell by his life, you know. And it's like thank god he didn't go to prison and he got his life together because jayden needed one parent at least.
Speaker 1:I'm perfect and I've never done anything wrong.
Speaker 2:I'm a saint I thought so, I know it. I knew it. I can't relate. I knew it. I mean, look like I spent weeks like it. You know if, even if I didn't any other drugs, nobody would know, because my life, I wouldn't let it negatively affect my life. But I know better. And my husband is is the opposite of me. He's never. He's just a normal person. He's had the same job, same everything. He's had literally he's been the same thing every day for 20 some years. He's just a normal person. Yeah, opposite of me. I'm like, ah, over the place. I'm like I'm like danielle, and then he's just like, can you stop? I'm like animal in the attic, the geico commercial, and he's sitting down there trying to get ready for work at 3 45 am and I'm like this. But that's why I said record in the morning, because I'm like manic as fuck all right I get embarrassed by it.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry you're good.
Speaker 1:Well, hopefully, I my fear that I have with this season, because it's like they made the trailer look good. Don't get me wrong. I just have a feeling the trailer is going to be so much better than what the season actually is.
Speaker 2:I agree and I think people want to hear us.
Speaker 1:Even though we talked about, I think people want to hear us on both sides this also kind of goes into why I wish Bravo would stop with the social media stuff, because this is the problem I had with beverly hills most recent season. Yeah, by the time the first episode came out we knew so much that was going on with, like dorit and kyle and everybody. Not not once all season long did I care about anything. That's true, not once, and it actually it was such a drag and it felt so long. By the time we got to the reunion I was like that was it. But the only franchise so far in the last year that actually did great was salt lake, because they kept everything hidden. They did well. I mean, in all fairness, atlanta does that very well too, but enough people don't give that props, which really upsets me. Atlanta always does great and I'm really hating how long it's been. Yeah, they won't even start filming till summer.
Speaker 2:I swear we got to do an episode all about the other franchises soon because we have there's so much we could go. Yeah, I love all of them. I agree with you a thousand percent on all of that, we're getting to our recording limit.
Speaker 1:I know we're very close. I'm upset so I've said all my things yeah, are you did?
Speaker 2:I'm sorry if I ever talked no, you didn't, I you didn't sorry if I was you're fine. No, you didn't all right, I love you and I appreciate you for doing with me, and I'm I remember this one. I was sober this time I hope so and I just hope that you understand I don't like, I I'm not guys, I'm not angry once, once we put our devices down.
Speaker 1:These people, their problems are not our people and our problems oh, also when I'm doing this, just so you're also aware I know megan knows this yeah, I'm like we're the ones talking but I'm not talking to you a lot of the times when I'm saying stuff. So, like all of my, my little tyrant tirade, tyrants, tirades, I go on. Yeah, that's for all of you listening. So if you take offense to that, I'm sorry. Or if you take offense to that, good, whichever works, take it well, look this.
Speaker 1:That's how we communicate in jersey either take the apology or, if the shoe fits, wear it.
Speaker 2:I don't care, that's on you okay, like that's like, honestly, that's how we communicate. People don't get it like we me and my sister and my son we fuck each other up and down and the next five minutes we're good. So like that's why I say we could, we could deal with them fighting like this. It's just like it did. It goes on too long. There's no conflict resolution. Like with miami, we get conflict resolution and I enjoyed salt lake because it was like very interesting. It was fun to watch them be real friends and to find out. In the end it's like like they just fumbled the ball with the spander pump. They fumbled the ball at the end with salt lake we had a great season and then they fumbled the ball, I think.
Speaker 2:But I agree oh, my god with us. So we have tomorrow's episode and then we'll be back next week. We'll be back next week. Yay, oh, thank you for adding g in there too you're welcome.
Speaker 1:You're gonna love what you're not gonna love, but you're gonna love the montage, okay, good, well, I love that. We're saying that as if everyone didn't just hear it, just so you all know yeah this is us in the past and you're listening to us in the future. So right now, uh, she is unaware of what I put at the beginning, but she'll know. But guess, what all of you now know, and if that isn't meta and confusing, I don't know what is you both lost me at cheese Okay good.
Speaker 1:Okay, I need to get ready for the day.
Speaker 2:I'm taking my mom to a Mother's Day lunch later.
Speaker 1:So happy Mother's Day everybody.
Speaker 2:Yes, happy Mother's Day everybody, and we'll see you next week. Love you, bye, bye. Love you Mean it. I'm not letting up. I really don't Stop. There we go. I really don't let it hang up.