004: Divine Mediumship with Carolyn Swift Jones // Part I

Imagine being 3 years old, and discovering the inherent ability to access information from other dimensions, and then cultivating it as an adult to help and heal others. That's the remarkable journey of our guest, Carolyn Swift Jones, a practitioner of divine mediumship. From her intriguing insights into the concept of oneness to serving the soul topography, Carolyn's conversation is an enlightening exploration into the realm of intuition and spirituality.

In this episode, we learn about Akashic  Records, Ascendant Masters, and ego. We discuss our experiences, reflecting on the continual growth of our relationships with those we've lost. We also discuss Christianity, not as a religion, but as a pathway to understand 'oneness' and mediumship. We learn how integration and embracing our full humanity and divinity can lead to a transformative understanding of spirituality. So, are you ready to challenge your perspectives and expand your understanding of healing and spirituality? This one is a true voyage. Yes, it's a clair voyage.

To learn more about Carolyn Swift Jones, to book a session or take a mediumship class, go to TheGuidingCircle.com

Transcript

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Is. Are we only doing coffee mugs?

Lauren: 1:47

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There's going to be stuff, hey, lauren.

Lauren: 2:10

Yeah.

Frank: 2:11

Guess why today is a special day.

Lauren: 2:13

Why.

Frank: 2:14

Because we have our first guest interview. Yes, and it's with the famous, the lovely Carolyn Swift Jones. Carolyn Swift Jones practices and teaches divine mediumship, full disclosure. We already had the interview with her, so we're going to hear a recording that we just finished. But, my goodness, what a pleasant lady, what a smart lady. She knows how to put things into terms that are so approachable and understandable, and I had an absolute blast talking to her.

Lauren: 2:50

How about you? Yeah, she's amazing. We had a session with her a year ago and that's kind of why we were like let's bring her on, and I still think about things that she told me all that time ago all that year ago.

Frank: 3:06

We still talk about it.

Lauren: 3:07

Yeah.

Frank: 3:08

All that year ago.

Lauren: 3:09

So she is very cool. This is going to be a two-parter, so you're welcome. Here we go. Welcome to Claire Voyaging. Carolyn Swift Jones.

Carolyn: 3:21

Hi everybody and thank you for having me on your show.

Lauren: 3:25

Can you introduce yourself? Just tell us a little bit about yourself. And when you first realized that you have this, however you would call it, we just learned that we don't like to call it gifts. You don't like to call it gifts. So that you have this intuitive quality.

Carolyn: 3:42

Okay, thank you for diverting yourself around the word gift. I always knew that I was multi-dimensional. From when I was a little girl. I had experiences of kind of popping out of my body and seeing myself from behind and being a little bit flabbergasted that I knew I was a huge genderless being and I didn't understand what I was doing in that little girl's body. And I also, as a small child, was always seeing what I called fairies in the sky. There were just little pinpoints of light everywhere, and I also had the experience of being visited by a being that I called the lady dressed in light, because I didn't know how to call her, but she was a beautiful ascendant master. I have since learned and she came and put her hand over me often. So all of that was going on, but I didn't have the vocabulary to call it intuition and, as I've said, I believe we're all born with the ability to be intuitive. It's just a matter of are we willing to practice it and do we have the tools to practice?

Carolyn: 5:12

Later on in my life, I had already embarked on a career of the theater and I was moving along my jolly way and I was pretty sure that that's what I wanted to be was an actor, and I found that when I was backstage I naturally wanted to use my hands, in a healing modality, on other actors or technicians or stage managers who might be in need of some help. It was just something I did when I was backstage and then one thing led to another and I didn't have any training. It was the kind of Reiki, but with no training. I suddenly had developed a healing practice and suddenly had people coming to my house and all of a sudden found myself working with someone who had ovarian cancer. And I worked with that woman, no training, just instinct, and the cancer went away. So then my name was on the map and suddenly people are coming, which I wasn't ready for.

Carolyn: 6:18

I was young, I was 27, I guess but one woman was brought to me. I only had a couple of weeks left to live and I didn't know what I could do for her. But as I put my hand over her, I suddenly was aware of somebody walking in who insisted that I tell her he was there, insisted, and I thought I can't do this, I have no ability to do this. And this being, who turned out to be her dad, was pressing in so hard that I started to sweat and this dear woman said what's the matter, honey? You look like you're about to throw up, oh my gosh. So I finally said there's a guy here and I described him to her and she, she shot up and she said daddy. And she left knowing that when she crossed over that he would be right there with her. So that was the beginning of my knowing that, as I had been practicing one form of intuition healing.

Carolyn: 7:34

I believe healing and mediumship are the same.

Carolyn: 7:38

It is the practice of oneness, which is what healing is. We're practicing oneness as healers and we practice oneness as mediums. So I had been practicing, but in a different way, and then this other door opened and then I became more interested in serving not just the physical body but what I would, what I now call the soul topography of somebody that I'm working with. So the whole terrain, the emotional landscape, the family and spirit that surrounds them on either side, the tribes of being, past lives, of course, are there, ascendant masters are there, angelic energies are there, the animal spirits are there, all of it. And that became my life's work to just move forward.

Carolyn: 8:40

I now call it divine mediumship because I'm interested in serving from the wholeness of being, and not just for Uncle Frank, who may be wanting to come in and speak, because it's lovely when Uncle Frank comes in and has something to say, but there's so much more to us than our loved ones who have crossed over. There's so much more. That's what I'm interested in. Serving is getting to the ham of the garment that allows the person that I'm serving to feel into their wholeness and what I call their poem, because each person is an individual poem with layers and layers and layers of meaning.

Lauren: 9:31

The story about the father coming through like made me choked up for a second. That's so beautiful, but also that like the soul, topography and the poem. That's such a beautiful way of looking at it. We're coming from a place of, like, two non-psychics that have like a deep interest in expanding our spiritual journey. We're still learning, we're trying to keep the gatekeeping out and, like we're trying to destigmatize.

Frank: 10:06

So our niece has developed psychic abilities and she's six. In speaking with her parents, we're like realizing that, oh man, this is something that she might not be able to talk openly about at school, even though it's something that's very real to her, and that's suddenly having a lot of big kid emotions that she has to get through maybe a little faster, mature a little quicker. A big demographic for us in this is the non-psychic parents of psychic kids. To get them comfortable, give them the tools to help manage and develop their kids and make sure that they grow up to be balanced. A lot of emotional struggle can come along with that.

Carolyn: 10:41

Oh, that's such a good mission. I really appreciate that, and I appreciate you using the word normalizing, because that's my mission too, that's awesome. I'm really, really I'm allergic to any conversation around intuition or mediumship. That suggests that there's a hierarchy involved or that you have to be special, and I, when I teach it, I ask my students to let go of the word gifted.

Frank: 11:14

Oh, this is good to know.

Carolyn: 11:15

Yeah, that's great. We're just not even gonna use the word, we'll use practiced.

Frank: 11:21

Practiced.

Carolyn: 11:22

Oh, I love that Because I believe everybody is born as an intuitive being, in that we all have a connection to the oneness, and the oneness is where the waves of intuition are generated from. They're generated from our divine oneness, our divine connection. So we all have it. It's just that some of us practice it Right. It's like we're all given a violin. Are we gonna pick it up and practice?

Carolyn: 11:58

Well, it depends on a lot of factors and with children, it depends on their heart space. It depends on how compatible they are with a vest array of differing personalities. It depends on how compassionate they are. It depends on lots of these things. But I believe I'm on a mission to make sure that we drop the artificial need to make or create or put a medium on a pedestal. We are all multi-dimensional. We're born with three-dimensional consciousness of the school of planet Earth and we're also born with fourth-dimensional consciousness because we just came from that seamless, timeless, everlasting oneness, that connection, that is that place of continuity between all of us. So when we're practicing our intuition, another way I teach it is to say we're practicing oneness, we're practicing divine, knowing that we're one that makes sense.

Lauren: 13:29

Yeah, that's great.

Frank: 13:29

I love that. Can I oh go ahead?

Carolyn: 13:33

Uncle Frank.

Frank: 13:38

Okay, so there's a couple of, just because you know we're trying to ease people into all this. There's a couple of definitions. I'd like to get from you just some terminology used for some clarification. So the first thing I want to talk about is you've referred to Ascendant Masters. For anybody who doesn't know what that might be, how would you define it?

Carolyn: 13:56

An Ascendant Master is an energy that I believe correlates to our ascendancy. The most commonly known Ascendant Masters are Buddha and Jesus and Kwan Yin, etc. Are those the?

Lauren: 14:17

same as enlightened beings. Enlightened beings, yes, because I've heard those two things and I never knew if they were the same or not.

Carolyn: 14:27

Well, we are all enlightened beings. Another mission of mine is to make sure that we don't say to one another this phrase, which is when you're as enlightened as I am, you'll understand. In my classes I say we're not going to say that because I don't believe there's any hierarchy in our divinity. I believe we're fully human and fully divine and there's no hierarchy in our divinity. But what my experience has been is that an Ascendant Master is never an exterior being, but rather a reflection of an inner being that we have yet to meet, a part of ourselves that we have yet to meet.

Frank: 15:29

So, just so for clarification for me, if we're operating on the concept that we're all like a self-identifying piece of the same puzzle, how many Ascendant Masters are there, or infinite?

Carolyn: 15:45

I would say infinite.

Carolyn: 15:46

I would say, always evolving and always expanding. May I share with you something that happened years ago with an Ascendant Master we know as Jesus. So when I was a young, like a teenager, I was a born-again Christian and I was a devoted born-again Christian and I was madly in love with Jesus and very, I thought, very close with that energy. And then I got older, things went on in my life and 20 years went by and I was a 40-year-old woman sitting in my apartment in New Jersey trying to connect with Jesus and I heard myself saying out loud you know, jesus, I used to be so close to you, but I don't know how to do that anymore because I've evolved and clear as a bell. I could hear him say well, I've evolved too. Are you the only one that's allowed to evolve? And in that instant I got it. There's no such thing as a static being. There is an always evolving relationship of divinity to divinity. Is that makes sense?

Frank: 17:05

Yeah, something that we've been looking into a lot lately or have been made privy to, is how, once you pass away, you're not done. There's still a lot to do, and that's been kind of quite the revelation to learn that you know some other psychic mediums that we've spoken to have talked about how Lauren's brother, ian, is still around and still learning and growing and developing, even in his spirituality and his personality, and it's been. It's really cool because we tend to think of somebody like, oh, you know, they only live to. Her brother passed away when he was 25, 26, 26. It's funny like everyone thinks, oh, he only lived to 26 and it's like, well, no, he stopped being here at 26, but there's still a lot going on, like we're still working towards the thing we're working towards in the first place.

Lauren: 17:52

And I've told people that I actually feel more connected to him now, just because I'm working on going not only inward but also just understanding the oneness that you're talking about, and because of that I've become more connected to my brother and like paying attention to signs or messages that he's given me. And you also told me in a reading that I had with you last year that he kind of acts as like my cartographer and wants to go with us on trips and like he didn't get to travel that much when he was alive. So we, you know just kind of the idea of him has evolved in the 19 years that he's been gone.

Frank: 18:38

I never got to meet him when he was alive, but since he's passed it's been. I feel like I have a friend that I've never met in the flesh, but it doesn't really matter. We treat him like a roommate. You know he's around, it's very fun.

Lauren: 18:51

And like we tell our kids about him and our daughter asks about him and we kind of say, like he's here, he's protecting you. You know, and you never got to meet him, but he knows you and you can know him. Yeah, this has helped our idea of the bigger oneness, as you call it.

Frank: 19:08

So much more, so much bigger and more interesting than I assumed in my tiny little Uncle Frank brain.

Carolyn: 19:14

It's beautiful and that's part of everybody's individual poem. Actually, yeah, is the ongoing growth of family and loved ones in fourth dimension, as our family and loved ones continue to grow. Of course, we're growing with them because we're in the classroom with them. So we have this beautiful buddy system, a community system that is really incredible, so inspiring and so hopeful. It's a beautiful, beautiful tapestry. When you, when you can see it and I'm so glad for you guys that you are that's beautiful.

Lauren: 20:02

Yay, thank you. Yeah, it's helped just in like my grief journey and also my spiritual journey to. I guess you know when you think about the things that you've had to process over your life, how do you share that wisdom with other people? Some of it has been helping friends who have lost someone close to them and saying, like just know, as hard as it is to hear they're always with you, like they're always with you, like you will understand that as you go through like the grief process.

Carolyn: 20:39

Very good. I think it's also important to remember that even Jesus wept. Morning is its own way of communing. Morning is its own way of being in what I would call a state of deep mediumship, communication with the one that have just lost, and it's our time in morning to say this is how much I love you. Yeah.

Frank: 21:10

With that said, would you say, having an understanding of all this and the oneness of things is more makes grieving easier, because I know there's ways to grieve in an unhealthy way.

Carolyn: 21:21

I think it is. It's case by case. It's unique to every individual soul. I always encourage my clients to let their grieving go on as long as their body tells them, because our bodies will tell us how long we need. You know, it's like losing a layer of our skin and our bodies will tell us. And there are beautiful traditions and different religions and Judaism. There are very specific ideas about how long morning lasts Right and what a family should and should not do. A family should not be asked to engage in conversation after they've lost a loved one, for instance. There are different systems of morning, but I think it's our physical bodies will tell us and also our loved ones will tell us you know, I'm ready, I'm ready.

Frank: 22:29

I do like that because I know that sometimes there's a pressure to like maybe get through the grief quickly, and that can be so damaging, as I'm sure you know more than I do.

Carolyn: 22:41

Yes, I've seen it damage people, yeah, over and over and over, and it to me there's a lack of compassion there that I think it's important that we notice the cheer up, get over it. Life is short and the basic ignorance around morning as a spiritual practice. And, as you say, ian is still. He's healing, he's evolving, as are we all, and the more we can be present to each other's vulnerable woundedness and just be there for each other, the more we can help each other evolve.

Lauren: 23:27

Yeah, that's such a difficult thing for people to just be in, to be in it or be in it with someone else. It's so uncomfortable for people sometimes.

Frank: 23:37

And I haven't thought about the concept of Ian still healing himself. I wonder if there's anything we should do to ask Ian what he needs. We poured him a shot of tequila on his birthday. Maybe that wasn't helpful, I don't know.

Lauren: 23:48

We were like coming out with us. Yeah, we got some scratcher tickets.

Carolyn: 23:54

I hear Ian saying well, aren't you guys still healing?

Lauren: 23:59

Yeah, yeah. I mean yeah, it's an ongoing process. I just learned Reiki a couple of weeks ago and it triggered more healing for me and I'm like I still have some stuff to do, I have some healing to do and I feel like it's yeah, it's a constant ongoing process of shedding your trauma and shedding the stories and all the things that you're kind of carrying with you. So, yes, ian, we are still healing.

Carolyn: 24:39

And so am I. Yeah, and so are we all.

Frank: 24:44

So you've mentioned Christianity and Christian belief quite a bit so far. There's so much fear surrounding. Give me the right vocabulary, the one like Practical oneness, the practical oneness sure yeah, and I've been in circles where someone would consider the oneness to be evil. Right, I wanna see what you have to say to anybody who might fear this and if there's anything that can help them get through that.

Carolyn: 25:10

Oh sure. Well, first of all, I believe that Jesus was an incredible medium and intuitive, a great healer. The unfortunate thing about the way Christianity has been taught over the centuries it has created a dividing line in the universe between good and bad. And if you study the words of Jesus and if you listen to them in Aramaic, there is no dividing line, but there is a continuum. And I'll give you an example the Aramaic word for evil, which is Bishah. It means evil on one hand and it also means unripe, so it suggests something that is ripening into goodness, part of the continuum. The problem with dividing the universe into two parts is that it creates a superstitious belief that the part over here that we call bad, because it's separate from us, is going to do us harm.

Frank: 26:27

So we've created this kind of devil yeah, interacting with that type of person might not be what you need for where you're at, but that doesn't make them bad, Is that okay?

Carolyn: 26:41

Yes, and there's also, I think, that some of the fear in paranoia has a practical basis in that there are people out there who do this simply for commercial effect, simply to draw audience, simply to make money. There are charlatans out there. There are another who are driven by ego. Ego, in that case, what people are saying? Well then, what they're describing? I think there is some justification there. We need to be careful about working with people who would like to represent to us what their ego is telling us they must represent to us in order to be famous or to make money, or to draw a crowd.

Carolyn: 27:39

Or to be right or something Right yeah, so I do a lot of work with my ego, a lot of work.

Frank: 27:49

I mean, doesn't everybody need to do that?

Carolyn: 27:52

But when I teach, I ask my students to consider that their ego might be like pizza dough and that they can pick it up like this and then they can pull it and stretch it, and that it's actually very pliant. Maybe you even can spin it around like this. The ego is something we have created and it's pliant and it's plastic and we can stretch it and soften it. That again, there's practice, practice, practice.

Frank: 28:28

Let me ask a question on that, because I'm not clear on this myself. Is ego, is it always a distraction, or is ego ever a tool?

Carolyn: 28:37

Oh, I think it is both, and it's absolutely a tool when you're driving.

Frank: 28:42

Oh sure.

Carolyn: 28:44

You need to have your ego. You need to have. Ego is another word for third-dimensional consciousness, another word for being aware of where do I exist in space, and is that a lion ahead on the path or is that a friend ahead on the path? So yeah, ego is definitely. It can be a helpful tool. Where it gets in the way is when it begins. We can hear our egos tell us that we are better than, or that we are somehow special. If you ever hear that phrase coming out when you're as enlightened as I am, you'll understand that's ego talking, because someone who has truly digested the knowing that we are all one does not consider themselves to be more enlightened or less enlightened than anyone. So it has to do with I got something special and you're not. I'm Chevy Chase and you're not. Do you remember?

Frank: 29:59

that. So it seems like your sense of ego, your sense of self, is great when you're practicing self-awareness, not great once you let that self-awareness develop an opinion about how special you are.

Carolyn: 30:10

Yes, beautifully so, uncle Frank. You have to write that down, uncle.

Frank: 30:15

Frank for the win.

Carolyn: 30:16

That is great. See, ego, a useful tool that I can now stretch from my being and I'm going to be very loving and compassionate with it. I'm not going to ask it to go sit over there in the chair and behave. We just want to be careful with old separation language that lives on from old dogmas, because as mediums, I know that I, if I'm going to serve you, I need to serve myself as a full, whole human being. That means I love my ego, I love my personality. I get that. I created my personality. I get it and I get that. It's fluid. That way I can serve you. That way I'm ready to say oh, you've done such an interesting job creating your personality. Oh, what will you do next? That's so helpful.

Frank: 31:23

Because I never was like a practicing Buddhist, but it taught me how to meditate and all that stuff and I learned the concept of duality and I loved it. It was awesome until I had to engage in real life and like have real friends, and it was like, well, how do I be a spiritual being and then also go to work and what you just explained, that sense of separation. I had to reintegrate. But I felt a little guilty initially because I was like I feel like I'm not like engaging fully in the lesson, that is, in the meditation and in the realm that I'm trying to explore more. What you're saying is that, like you, if I understand you correctly I don't want to put words in your mouth, but that you have to integrate in order to have the full experience.

Carolyn: 32:05

Yes, integration is why we're here. Integration, incarnation, that's why we're here, accepting this beautiful truth that we're fully human and so that part in our humanness we're always changing, it's fluid, we're always changing and fully light, fully divine, and that aspect of us, that full divinity, is shared in common with everyone and everything. That's where compassion comes from, Compassion for ourselves as the human aspect of the personality, the body aspect, which is beautiful and fluid and always changing.

Frank: 32:50

I was going to ask you how it comes through for you.

Carolyn: 32:55

Yeah, it comes. Well, coming through. I'm going to say coming, as I usually hear information like this pulse, pulse, rest, pulse, pulse, rest. There's a rhythm to it pulse, pulse, rest. It comes as a result of the compassionate cooperation between two light beings. For instance, if I were having a session with you, Uncle Frank, we would be together with the agreement that I would be hearing from you. You would be showing me your soul topography and you would be saying, like periscope down and I'm going to invite you in, and I would be basically reading to you from your Akashic records, but only because you were showing them to me.

Frank: 33:54

Akashic records. Can we get a lay person's definition of that?

Carolyn: 33:58

Oh sure, the record of everything, the record of the remembrance in energy, in energy shape and tone, the sound, the light, the vibration of everything ever spoken, ever felt, ever expressed, every journey ever taken, every book ever read, every battle ever fought, every marriage ever conceived, etc. Etc. So it is the universe's enveloping impression of all the energy thus created. So I believe that a medium does not receive energy from out here. I believe that mediumship is cooperative. When I teach it and I've got my students practicing with each other, I always say to the person who is receiving the session or the reading or whatever, I say thank you for all the information you gave, so and so Thank you for making yourself available, because I believe it's cooperative.

Lauren: 35:13

What makes me think of Uncle Frank? Here we've in another episode. We were talking about things that we want to develop or things that we've had experience with, or whatever, and I think we touched on a hesitance that you have for being read.

Frank: 35:33

I once was read in a way that I wasn't prepared for whatsoever and didn't know it was going to happen, and it felt invasive. I had no idea what was going on. So I'm in a phase of getting ready to do it again. I'm just working, I'm getting there.

Lauren: 35:47

But so do you ever have a session with someone who has obviously paid for the session and given their permission, but you're sensing hesitance? Or is it always just free flowing information coming through?

Carolyn: 36:05

No, hesitance is often there and I have also received invasive readings in my life, so I know how they feel and I'm pretty touchy about that. And so when I begin meditation on somebody, I begin by not conversing with them directly but conversing with their guiding circle, like what is their collective agreement about what this person needs to hear now for their highest and best? It comes back to the golden rule over and over that, doing unto others as we would have done to ourselves. When I've received a reading that I felt was invasive, I thought, oh my gosh, that person has no love for themselves, otherwise they would not have been so rude to my being.

Carolyn: 37:10

Mediumship 101 is you always ask permission. You never give a reading unsolicited. When people come to me as a client, the permission has been given because they paid me. So I know I do have permission. But this whole idea of walking up to strangers on the street and saying Aunt Edna is here is metaphysical malpractice. It's a trespass and it's again. It's ego on display and not oneness on display. As long as the commandment of love is being followed, these things don't happen. As long as we're always thinking how is this landing in the ear of the listener? Does this feel like love to the ear of the listener, or does this feel like commerce?

Lauren: 38:05

Do you, as you're just going about your day, receive information when you're talking to someone at the grocery store, or does it not work that way?

Frank: 38:14

for you? Do you have the on and off switch that we've heard some people talk about?

Carolyn: 38:17

I do, and very rarely will it come on without my expecting it. Very rarely. Once in the dentist chair with my dental dentist, I suddenly was aware of her grandmother. Oh wow, I suddenly was and she was pressing hard so I had to burn her message.

Frank: 38:44

I was going to say it's hard to share information when you're like huh, huh, huh, huh.

Lauren: 38:48

Did you feel uncomfortable?

Carolyn: 38:54

I had to ask for permission. I said I need to tell you something. I need to tell you the truth. I'm a medium, oh yes, and I want to ask permission if I may bring a message from someone for you. And she said okay. And so I was able to say grandmother's here and she's saying this and this and this and this and this and this. Wow, bring the message. That's like one of the. I think that's the only time that's ever happened.

Frank: 39:21

How was that received?

Carolyn: 39:23

Very well. It was important. I felt that there was exchange of energy because she did such a beautiful job in my mouth. That's funny timing, I know I felt like she said could I bring you a message? You need to flop.

Frank: 39:44

That's awesome.

Lauren: 39:46

We have an exchange here, you know.

Carolyn: 39:49

So the universe's sweet spot is to find the pattern that repeats, that supports health and wellness and excitement and joy and passion going forward in this life. Now can I please talk to you about the Fibonacci sequence.

Frank: 40:08

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