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038: Woo La La // with Dana Willey

• Clairvoyaging • Season 1 • Episode 38

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Join us as we chat with Dana Willey, an extraordinary psychic medium, teacher, and podcast co-host, who shares her intriguing journey from sensing her father's passing at a young age to becoming a mentor for those on their spiritual path. Dana's engaging personality and wealth of insights offer a practical guide for anyone looking to expand their awareness and develop intuition.

Balancing a demanding career while nurturing a spiritual practice can be challenging, but Dana provides a roadmap for integrating these worlds seamlessly. She dives into the nuances of maintaining a "3D job" while honing mediumship skills, stressing the importance of following one's heart and staying in a flow state to avoid burnout. 

Mental health and personal growth are also key themes in our conversation. Dana shares her experiences with facing life's challenges head-on, viewing them as opportunities for development rather than setbacks. We delve into the transformative power of resilience, personal awareness, and the beauty of overcoming adversity. The episode rounds off with an enlightening exploration of psychic development, mediumship, and the importance of grounded skepticism, providing listeners with a well-rounded perspective on their spiritual journeys.

Clairvoyaging is now a fiscally sponsored project of Fractured Atlas, a 501(c)(3) charity, so any donations are now tax deductible. If you’d like to support our projects that aim to foster understanding for diverse spiritual belief systems, visit www.clairvoyaging.com/support. 

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Lauren:

Good evening, good morning, good afternoon. In today's episode we chatted with Dana Willey, psychic medium, teacher, mentor and co-host of two podcasts. We talk about her road to mediumship and she has some great advice about expanding your awareness and just a lot of great advice in general. She's cool as hell. I'm your host, lauren Leon.

Frank:

And I'm her worst half.

Lauren:

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition. This is episode 38 of Claire Voyaging. Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging.

Frank:

Yes.

Lauren:

You rang Hello, is anyone?

Frank:

there. What's up, Voyagers?

Lauren:

Hi friends.

Frank:

How's it?

Lauren:

going Frank. Let's tell our friends some updates.

Frank:

Okay, first update Is that this episode's long, so we're gonna do a quick intro this time around. Yeah, it won't be a 12 minute episode intro this time. Sorry about that.

Lauren:

Sorry, our Patreon is up and running, baby.

Frank:

It's Patreon time.

Lauren:

Yeah, 12 minute episode intro this time. Sorry about that. Sorry, our Patreon is up and running. Baby, it's Patreon time. Yeah, if you'd like to become a member, head on over to Patreoncom, slash Claire Voyaging Podcast and pay the low, low price of $4 per month. As we said last week, we'd like to create a space for this community and we'll be putting out exclusive content. That includes episodes where we'll be chatting with one of our listeners per episode, or maybe a couple per episode, about their own journeys. It's a fun place where we feel like we're not alone as we continue to normalize our spiritual journey. So thanks in advance for joining us and we can't wait to see you on Patreon.

Frank:

Yeah, and if you feel like you want to talk to us or you have a story to share with us, let us know, reach out.

Lauren:

I feel like a lot of people are like I'm just at the beginning of my journey and we're like what does that mean? I want to know, yeah, so I feel like other people would want to know too.

Frank:

We've had a handful of people reach out lately and be like oh, I just started doing this and I've been experiencing this, and we're like exactly that's what we want to hear about.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

So if you are just getting started listen, if you feel not confident about it, you don't have to fill up a whole episode. If you just want to talk for five minutes, we'll talk for five minutes. You know it's fine. It's fine, but let's chat about it.

Lauren:

These can be mini episodes, we don't know. We don't know where the wind takes us.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

Where our sails lead. Oh yeah, I did a lot of improv. Did you know that?

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

Yep.

Frank:

I was there.

Lauren:

My second update and break. I just want you to see what it says. It's just one sentence.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

Can you read that out loud?

Frank:

It says our journal is basically in the dumpster. I'm so sorry. I haven't given up hope yet.

Lauren:

Can you believe the saga? We've just been talking about this alignment journal. It's so not aligned, like what's happening. They messed up and they just won't, and they, they won't reconcile and it's not cool.

Frank:

So, yeah, and we're gonna be like five hundred dollars out for no reason, just because they won't do the right thing. Yeah, I want to say who it is, but I won't. Love and light love and light.

Lauren:

So with that, thanks for being with us, and we're gonna turn it over to this episode with Dana Willey.

Frank:

Dana Willey, big Willey style. Is that taken?

Lauren:

I don't think I don't see her liking that there's almost no way she likes that.

Frank:

That's OK. I'm sorry, Dana.

Lauren:

We talked for a really long time with her which is why this episode is so long and we just were like can we just keep talking to you?

Frank:

I tried to cut it down, but it was tough. It was tough because it's just fun.

Lauren:

She's really cool. She's just got a really really nice vibe.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

So we enjoyed it, and we know you will too.

Frank:

So here we go, big Willie style.

Lauren:

Hearts and stars. Dana, thank you so much for joining us today. We love to hear people's like origin stories. So how'd you get here?

Dana:

I mean, I don't know. Honestly, like I always feel like this medium life chose me. I didn't choose it, I don't, I did not like when I was a little girl go like you know what I want to do. I want to talk to dead people Like I did not, like I don't know how this happened.

Dana:

I was a little girl I played with Barbies and like strawberry shortcake. You know I did have some sensitivities. You know you will talk to some mediums and they're like, oh, I saw I had a like ghost friend or whatever. I mean, I had like a spiritual awareness. There was, like this one time that I sensed my great grandpa in a room, like, but it wasn't like this, like, oh my God, she's special. Right, I did have, I did lose my dad when I was 11.

Dana:

Oh, boy, and when he, just as he was about to pass, we were on the way to the hospital to say goodbye to him and I felt him leave and I told my I was in the back of the car and I told my aunt and uncle, you don't have to rush, he's already gone.

Dana:

And they kind of looked back into the backseat, like and sure enough, it was exactly to the moment that he passed and from that moment he was just always with me.

Dana:

And so I just figured it was just, I just talked to my dead dad all the time, like that just was standard, like that was just part of my personality, I mean, as one does, and I just, I don't know, it just was kind of a thing. And then in 2016, I was inclined to see a medium for the very first time and out of nowhere, like I think it had just been long enough, and he came through the medium and that was a really incredible experience and it just kind of started to kick off a lot of like awareness and it got to the point where I had a hard time going to the grocery store because I could feel everybody else's stuff going on and I would have your dead grandma while I was picking out eggplants at the store and it was just like it was too much and I was like what's going on? What is this? And that prompted me in 2016 to kind of go into this deep dive of reading every book I could get a hold of, every YouTube or every like everything. And I started meditating and I'm like what is this? And I was doing this all secretly, like in in my office, to the point that, like my best friend knew, but nobody else did Not even my husband.

Dana:

Oh my gosh. And yeah. So it was just this like, very like, what is going on with me? Why am I knowing things that they're going to happen before they happen? So in 2017, I came out of the closet to my husband and I was like I think I'm psychic. And that's how I came out to him and he's like well, dana, you know that doesn't surprise me. You've been talking to your dead dad since the day I met you and like, cool, so he's okay, like I've kind of known this about you, so I'm okay with it to this point, yeah. And then I got to the point where I'm like but am I making this up? Like is this really real? And that prompted me to go to my first development circle. And because I needed somebody to validate, I needed some validation that I wasn't crazy, yeah. And I kind of offered it up to the spirit world at that point of like, if this is real cool, show me it's real. If not, then I can call myself crazy and be done with it. And I called my husband on the way back from that and said holy shit, I'm actually like not good at this, but like there's something to this, because I was making legit connections I was making, like accurate stuff, and I kept on going every other week whenever they had the development circle and it became where I am now.

Dana:

I started working with the general public in 2019 and it literally came from like I wonder what this is to. I guess I should validate that this is actually something to okay. Maybe I should do this for the general public. And I started out just doing it for free and then I was like maybe I'll cause people started wanting to give me money for it, and so I was like, okay, and so I would charge like five bucks. And then, um, and then it evolved into. Then I was like, oh, the dream of all dreams would be to work at this metaphysical store in my town. Like if I like, the biggest that I could ever dream would be to work at this metaphysical store. And I interviewed, among a bunch of others, and got the job, and I was like, oh my god, so like very quickly, like everything started happening. And so now I'm here and I'm reading professionally and I'm teaching and I have two podcasts, and so that's the origin story.

Lauren:

Wow yeah.

Dana:

Good one.

Frank:

And how do you feel about all of it now?

Dana:

You know, there was actually something pretty profound. You know, I said this mediumship life, I didn't choose this mediumship life. This mediumship life chose me and I feel like there is a certain pull for certain people, right Like there's. I believe everybody has the ability to learn to be a medium, to have this connection, but I feel there is a certain few that have this like this was just always going to be meant for you. But about it was actually two years ago. I remember this. I sat in meditation and spirit told me yeah, this life chose you, but when are you going to choose it? And it was a pretty profound moment of like I do have to actually like own that this is who I am and stop running away from it and like fully embrace that, like this step into your power and like yeah, they really told you.

Lauren:

Yeah, come on dana how much did you?

Frank:

what were you doing before this? What were you said you were in your office when you started.

Dana:

Let you practicing secret yeah, so, um, I started, I got a college degree in psychology. I mean, the signs were all here that I was meant to do this work right, like the signs have all been pointing in this direction.

Dana:

So my degree is actually in psychology, because I wanted to help people, I wanted to be a helper. And what's funny I'm just going to veer off for a quick second is I talked to my college roommate of my freshman year yesterday and I haven't we've talked since I came out of the mediumship closet, but we haven't talked a lot. And I haven't we've talked since I came out of the mediumship closet, but we haven't talked a lot. Like we haven't actually been on the phone for two years. And she's like how is this mediumship thing going for you? And I was like I don't know. I just like this came out of nowhere. I can't believe this is where I am. And she's like I always knew this about you. I always like could feel this in you, like you always have this like very spiritual connection and like you were always like the person people felt really comfortable going to. It was just interesting, like, yeah, because I'm starting with my college thing, but I started with a BA in psychology.

Dana:

I got to my senior year of college and said you know, the only way I'm going to do anything with this is to go get a master's or a PhD and I don't want to go to school anymore. I'm really sick of school and I don't like to dox what I do in my day to day. But I I was like I'm going to get a different job and so I have been doing what I'm currently doing for almost 27 years. As it it's a family business that I got pulled into and um have been doing that for 27 years. Wow, very, what I call my 3d job, um.

Dana:

So I essentially do mediumship full-time and I have a very 3d job and balance is really difficult, yeah, gosh, yeah, but but there are some pluses and I think that it has allowed me not to put financial pressure on my spiritual connection and it has been a real important part of this for me. Would the dream be to eventually just do the mediumship and not have anything? Yes, and I'm moving towards that. My current career understands that. They know that Um and I've been in the process of that for a long time, but I don't have to. I don't have to put financial pressure on my mediumship or on my spiritual business.

Dana:

And that has been really amazing. Um, there's other. There's a Jonathan Lewis. I don't know if you guys know who he is, but he has a carpentry business and he's also a medium. So I don't. I feel like sometimes there's this pressure of like okay, I'm choosing to be a medium and this is the thing that I'm choosing, and so this is all I'm going to do. And when you put financial pressure on all of that and then you're hustling to book readings and you're hustling to do this, it changes the dynamic of like. Why were you ever driven to do this?

Lauren:

Also you're a manifesting generator. I know you told me that in your TikTok she's a manifesting generator.

Dana:

I know you told me that in your TikTok.

Lauren:

She's a manifesting generator which, if you don't know human design, look up yours. It's fascinating. But Frank and I both are, and we are multi-passionate. Like we have a lot of different interests and you don't have to, we're not like one thing is our thing for the rest of our lives, so that makes sense too.

Frank:

Not only that, but 100% as artists ourselves and people who have done a lot of work, non-traditional work, same thing. I've always realized that when we played in a band for a while, it was like we got to make this work because time's running out and it like adds a pressure to the to the artistry, that makes the artistry more forced and no longer flow state kind of thing which I can only imagine is such a big part of developing spiritually.

Dana:

So much and it has to be there, like it's very easy to get burnt out sometimes in the reading space because you're swimming in a lot of grief and a lot of and when that feels like I have to. But I find, like the flow state. I mean, it's important for that. But I have found the flow state to be really important in the teaching arena of not teaching things because I feel like I have to or it's a set curriculum I teach with my business partner and fellow medium, matthew Tao, and everything for us has to be because it's fun, because it lights us up, because it makes us feel excited. Yeah, whenever it feels like a have to in our space, we change up our curriculum and what we teach. That's great. Because, remaining in the flow state, you know, there are certain things that I think we could teach and make tons of money because we're teaching it because there's a demand or you know there's, the algorithm tells you that these are really high searchable topics, but we would get where we get burnt out, burning or teaching the same thing over and over again.

Dana:

Or you know, I don't want to teach this, yeah, yeah. So it's really following like what's my heart telling me to do right now? What? What is spirit guiding me to do right now? And so I I can't ever imagine myself being like this one trick pony that like I'm going to do X amount of readings today because I have to do at this to pay my bills bills. I think, at the end of the day, if you follow your passion and if you do what really lights you up inside, the money's gonna be there, the support's gonna be there. But when we put pressure on it, like I have to do this to pay the bills, it's it. There's tension there, yeah yeah. It sucks all the fun out of it.

Lauren:

It's just on the same, in the same vein, frank and I like even just with this podcast, there were at some point was this almost not expectation but feeling like the is this the thing, is this the next thing or whatever.

Frank:

And then Hold on for for some background information. Lauren and I are in a glorious transition period, spiritually and financially so, and this podcast came about around the same time as a lot of those, you know, 3d job transitions, yeah. So it was like, oh, like, do we, how hard do we lean into this? And like, like, like lauren is saying now, like how much do we try and make this the thing and according to human design recently, which we've both leaned into without sounding like the biggest advocates ever?

Frank:

I don't know I don't know enough to like advocate hard for it, but I have learned quite a bit from it, it's just interesting, yeah yeah, forcing things too much tend to not work out or it adds so much extra stress that the thing that we thought we wanted to do becomes less fun. So we have been able to like isolate this. Just having these conversations once a week or twice a week with people like you is kind of awesome, regardless of, like the the financial outcome. So we've kind of let that go. We are receiving a tremendous amount of support. People like it. That's awesome.

Frank:

And our families like it and stuff too, and that's, that's fantastic. But yeah, in the meantime, like you know, there's a probably going to be a need for a 3d job at some point.

Dana:

But maybe not, and as you're spiritually developing and working through that part of you, this is the most spiritual thing that you can be doing.

Frank:

Yeah.

Dana:

When we work on following our joy in our day-to-day life and how we're interacting with our career you know we don't have to have a spiritual career to be spiritual but are we doing things in our day-to-day life that bring us joy, that fulfill us? And I, you know talking to a lot of dead people you kind of start to realize, like, what's really important at the end of the day and how much have-tos can we take off of our plate and I don't know. Being a medium and going through my psychic and spiritual and mediumistic development has taught me far more about life and far more about me than it has about how to connect to the other world. Right, I've learned so much more about me. It's been the best therapy I've ever done in my entire life.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I am a um personally on a completely different path than I was when we first started having these conversations regularly. Boy oh boy, I was steady and stable so you think so I thought that all said like it felt very stable at the time. But then when you start digging into that trauma, things get a little loosey goosey.

Lauren:

But it's so interesting because we keep you know, in talking to people like you and finding that the through line is healing and like working through your shit and all that stuff, Just that alone has kind of like moved, moved us along as well, yeah, hold on.

Frank:

So let me ask you, in talking to the amount of dead people that you talk to and and having that help you put things into perspective what's the big takeaway that you say, if there can be like in the Venn diagram of all the conversations you've had with the uh pass on people. What's there can be like in the Venn diagram of all?

Dana:

the conversations you've had with the uh, pass on people. What's? What's the important stuff? The biggest thing is, like um, create memories, not things like the. The importance that we put on like having things is so tiny, um, the amount of times that they come through and they say, like I don't care what you did with such and such heirloom, or I don't care what you did with such and such heirloom, or I don't care what you did with this, like I'm not attached to that. I'm attached. Like they always come through with memories and they always, you know, and there's so much heartfelt and so much connection to, like how we felt creating this memory. So it's, it's about creating memories and not having things. Um, it's also how long we stay in things that we don't have to stay in.

Dana:

Yeah, I think you know. I don't know how much you guys have, or if you've ever heard of the concept of having a life review or anything like that, I think there's a lot of different religious takes on it or whatever.

Dana:

But you know, if we were looking at it from the lens of, maybe, a Christian view, we would think about it as like you're being judged by somebody. You did this wrong and look how you did this wrong. But the life review, the way that I've experienced it or been told about it from the other side, is, yeah, certainly there are parts where you are going to have to experience how you affected other people and that can probably feel good in a lot of ways.

Dana:

but also, you know you're going to have to understand how you affected other people, but the thing that has been imparted to me that is so freaking gorgeous is it's not how many times you fall down, it's how you got up, and it's about learning that we are here on earth school to learn to grow. And it's not about beating ourselves up for the mistakes that we made, but how we grew from them. Oh yeah, and that was so transformational for me and my way of thinking, because I talk about personal development and the worst critic of myself, right Of like I don't need a life review because, believe me, like every day I'm like oh, you did this wrong and you did this wrong, and you did this wrong and you did this wrong.

Lauren:

Right, and six years ago you did this wrong. And yeah, and it's three in the morning, and why am I doing?

Dana:

this right now and make sure you do this tomorrow, so you don't screw that up.

Lauren:

Yeah no a hundred percent.

Dana:

But when you look at the trajectory of everything of like but look at you know you can do this on your Facebook memories of like, look at where I was in 2013 and look at who I am now Was there growth? And there's a bigger emphasis on that from the spirit world of like. Did you grow? Yeah, you had a really hard time here, but what did you do with that difficult time? Did you grow from it? And there's a bigger emphasis on difficult times happen, but do they happen to us or for us? And we can take difficult times and help them and it can help push us forward. It's kind of beautiful.

Frank:

It's kind of a way of like gamifying challenges, even like it makes it like oh, something, something unexpected and not upfront. Great happened to me just now and this could be fun. This is where the this is where the fun starts. I don't run away from any.

Dana:

I mean that's. That's not that I don't my balls aren't that big, but I don't. I try not to run away from anything anymore. I make it very well known that I suffer with mental health disorders, but one of the big things was like an anxiety disorder that I suffered with, and it was. I used to run away from anxiety attacks. I used to run away from my depression. I used to run away from anxiety attacks. I used to run away from my depression. I used to run away from everything.

Dana:

And one of the biggest things that I learned was don't run away from it like sit in it. When you're feeling really horrible, don't run away from that, but experience it, feel it, use it to move through it so you don't have to feel it anymore, but also learn from it so you can grow from it. And it was. That was when I got better. That was when you know like I'd been in therapy and I was doing therapy and I was on meds and I was doing all of that. But that mindset is when I was like, oh, when I stopped running away from it and just like I'm going to sit in it and it's going to feel like shit, but I'm going to. I'm going to grow.

Frank:

And that way.

Dana:

I should have asked if I could cuss, but here I am. No, no, go for it Sorry about it.

Frank:

They're all about it. I have formerly a lot of anxiety and panic attacks, and I say formerly only because I started taking Prozac and it attacks. And I say formally only because I started taking Prozac. And it's funny because I've wondered since, because now we've been talking about being more our authentic selves and all that stuff and I'm I feel better, but also I'm I'm popping 20 milligrams every day, so I'm wondering if now's the time to try. I'm so scared.

Frank:

It was ruining my life. My life was in shambles. I was about to, because we like being creative, but we were in the middle of making like a bunch of short films and stuff. And I was on set one day during our most recent short film called Remixed, and, oh my god, I was falling apart and I had to like go excuse myself and I would take a swig of this is pre Prozac, a swig of whiskey or whatever, just to survive and get through the day, and I was like this is something that I was looking forward to so much and I'm so excited about, but I'm sitting here having the worst time of my life and I also don't want this to be over. What, what kind of contradiction am I living into right now?

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

So it was horrible, it was horrible, and and then that's the thing that got me to like really start paying attention to my own mental health.

Lauren:

Um more is because I was like and I was pregnant yeah, you were we were about to have our second baby and he was like I gotta get my shit together and I was like, yeah, you do but congrats on doing that, because but that's a perfect example of of understanding like something's not right yeah, I'm gonna use this and do something with it and not let it win right

Dana:

yeah, right, and you leaned into it. Um, you know, I'm I'm about to be six years sober here in September and, oh gosh, I was self-medicating. Like like, oh, that was, that was my jam. You want to self-medicate? Let's, let's get down. I mean, I think that a lot of us numb and I think a lot of us is like what do we need to do to get through the day? What do we need to do to not to shut down the brain at the end of the day? And then it gets to be more often and that can be, that can be a problem. So you know the fact that you were noticing like I have to numb. You know, like that that's huge and you are doing the self work. I am such a proponent of psych meds, like such a proponent, and I think I always think about psych meds as putting tread on the tires so that you could actually do the self-work that you needed to do.

Dana:

Oh, I like that, like that gave you the space that you needed to do the self-work that you needed to do. Look at the psychology major.

Lauren:

Oh right, I forgot. Bringing in the big guns over here.

Frank:

Yeah, and so because of that, I've been wondering I wonder if I should start like weaning off and, now that I'm more aware of what's going on, weaning off and feeling that feeling again and then seeing where it takes me off and feeling that feeling again and then seeing where it takes me. But I also am so horrified because, you know, if it starts to be come overwhelming again it's, it's a long process to get back to normal. So I and the reason I got myself to even be okay with meds in the first place is because the thing how much worse could it get at this point? Like I'm not enjoying something I enjoy, um, so it was like I'm going to treat myself like a beaker, a science experiment, until I find what works and then from there move on.

Frank:

But again, some people are on are on medication their entire lives or, like you know, a good majority of it yeah and that's fine, but, like you know, I've always wondered if I was masking, if I've been using prozac as a mask, or if it's something that I actually like, genuinely need. So it could be a fun experience, yeah.

Dana:

Everybody's so different. Everybody's so different and there are people, like like you said, that need it their whole life.

Dana:

And and I think everybody's. That's why we lean on doctors and and that and and for good ones. It's hard to find good doctors sometimes but it's. It's an interesting thing to navigate and I, I think also, you know, I just I feel like it's always important to mention this. If we're going to talk about a healing journey, we always healing. I don't think we're ever done healing. Yeah, I don't think you know. We're like I know exactly done it's over look at me.

Dana:

Uh, no, I think we're. We're always kind of revisit or there's there's other things that are going to happen in life and that's the thing that people don't. You know, I get a lot of people that are like life is being really hard. I mean, life is going to be hard on you. It's not a question of if life is going to be hard, it's when life is going to be hard, it's how we're going to react to it. Do we have tools in our tool belt to handle it? And sometimes Prozac can be a tool in your tool belt.

Frank:

It is for now. Yeah yeah that's fine maybe once the kids move out they're six and two, so also. It's just, it's a busy time you should get a job. It's fine.

Frank:

She can wash dishes or something she's so bad at washing dishes yeah, but the life being a journey, of course, like it's a shifting goalpost. You know what I mean. Like you're always going to have to like evolve yourself. And I always say people who act like they haven't figured out that's an Instagram lie. You know that's a false front, and they're probably doing themselves a disservice at some point too if they believe their own shit just shifting a little bit is there a big difference in your psychic knowing, um, like, do you do psychic readings?

Dana:

yes, yeah, yeah, um, so they kind of might my. So I guess what I would say is, like, my first off, everybody has this ability. Um, I do think that some people just have a higher aptitude for it and I, um, you know, I can look back now and be like, oh, it was there and it was there and it was there my entire life. Yeah, um, you know, to the, to the tune of like, literally again, I was talking to my dead dad the whole time. Um, I just had this um, and and then it was like cool to like talk to my, my college roommate and she's like, yeah, the whole time, dana, the whole time.

Dana:

Um, we just aren't picking up the soft and subtle things. I think we see a lot of things on tv and the movies and, you know, whatever, even maybe on social media or TikTok, where it's like that's what mediumship is. But you have this perception that the medium is having this very profound and, like, very loud experience. We become very sensitive to the soft and subtle shifts of the way that the spirit communicator is coming through, and sometimes we might get a visual, but that visual is for half a second. You know we're not getting. You know if we're getting a little shift in the atmosphere. It's very soft and subtle but we've become very sensitive so that we notice that a little bit more.

Dana:

So for me, you know, psychism is the first part. It's the way a medium connects to the spirit world. So we use our, we see, we feel, we know, we hear, we taste, we use all of those extrasensory perceptions to get information. So we can do that to tell somebody their future, their present, their past, get information about an item. So if you were holding a bracelet, I could maybe get you information on that item. I could do remote viewing, I can get information from a loved one in spirit. So that is a psychic ability to be able to connect with a loved one in spirit in a way. So we use the same clairs to connect to the medium, to mediumship. Yeah, okay, yeah.

Lauren:

So, yeah.

Dana:

So it's just where we point our perception. So I always think of psychism as this larger umbrella that Reiki lives under. That you know tarot and mediumship and all of that. So you know, the grand thing of all mediums are psychic, but not all psychics want to be mediums. Anybody can, anybody. I want to, just anybody can. It's just should they choose, they choose where we point our perception and so if my perception is to shift my awareness to that space, that's where that goes.

Dana:

So the information for me when I'm doing like a psychic reading so let's say I'm focusing on giving you a psychic reading, lauren like I'm, all of the energy is to your energetic field. That's where it's. If you would think of a target, your energetic aura is kind of where I'm pulling that information from. It's almost like all of the information kind of comes in to the front. For me, um, if I was connecting with one of your loved ones in spirit that they typically kind of, um, it comes in more as a feeling.

Dana:

I would say feeling is the number one way we perceive the spirit world. It, the energy of the room shifts a little bit. It has a thicker feeling to it. Um, I'm going to feel more. I'm going to feel a building Um, but I typically get information. I feel like, uh, loved ones in the spirit world kind of connect to me on the sides of my body and in the back, and so I kind of will feel like things about somebody psychically will come in here and then my mediumship will kind of come in over here. Now, everybody's different, so if you guys are hearing this and you're like that's not how my mediumship works, that's okay. Everybody's going to connect differently. That's how I connect.

Frank:

You said, when your um ability started picking up a little bit more, that you were having a hard time, uh like going to the grocery store protecting yourself from other people's energies and stuff like that. What was what? How did you overcome that?

Dana:

Um, I actually how are you how?

Frank:

are you overcoming that?

Dana:

Yeah, no, it was actually something I had to teach myself. I was meditating a lot, kind of to back it up for a second. I there are so many amazing mediums out there that were able to get like really amazing education earlier on in when they started. I know you had Megan Alisa on earlier. Yes, she's awesome and she's like I just walked in and Michael Mayo was there like like I did not have. That was not my development experience at all.

Dana:

I wish it was, I wish I would have walked into a metaphysical store and had Michael Mayo right in front of me.

Lauren:

We had him on too, he's amazing.

Dana:

No, we love Michael, but that was not my experience at all. I had limited funds. I was broke as a joke and I was just reading books or whatever. I remember development or a mediumship class and I was like it was the day of, and I had to pay that day and I didn't have enough money in the bank account to pay for that class that day, but it was the best thing that ever. I was devastated that day, but it was the best thing that ever happened because I wouldn't have gotten the proper education that day from that teacher.

Dana:

Oh, so it was like a what was it? There's just good teachers out there and there's not good teachers out there. And you know, not everybody's meant to teach. And there's a lot of people who regurgitate um information out there because they read it in a book and so they're just going to regurgitate or they learn from somebody else, but they don't really understand how it all works and they just regurgitate what somebody else said to them, oh yeah, or they don't fully understand the mechanics of it. And this was.

Dana:

She wasn't even a good medium herself did you find that out after the fact like oh that, yeah, I heard that she's yeah, okay, yeah, I saw her actually work afterwards and I was like, oh, I wouldn't know, and so it actually worked out for my benefit. So I was building through, just meditating. I was building my own relationship with my guides, own relationship with my guides, and it was through sitting for spirit, just sitting with spirit, that my development was going on the most and that was the most powerful thing for me. I was creating a relationship with my guides. They were becoming my greatest teachers and so when I had a question, my friend Matt would just ask his you know, he had amazing mentors that he could just like ask and say, like I'm having this issue, what should I do?

Dana:

I didn't have that. I would just sit in meditation and sit and go to my spirit team of like I feel overwhelmed in public, what do I do? And they, they told me to create a waiting room. I was like, okay, so I created like a mental waiting room in my head of like I'm not open, I have a boundary, you all need to go in my waiting room, oh, wow. And so I literally like visualize Beet to go in my waiting room, oh wow. And so I literally like visualize Beetlejuice's waiting room, oh yeah.

Lauren:

The like weirdest thing you could imagine, which is great, yeah, but I was like.

Dana:

but it gave me something like visual to like, be like I'm not doing this right now. And so they, they taught me to bring in mindfulness into it. When I feel like I'm overwhelmed by everybody's stuff. Mindfulness for me. What does my breath feel like? What do my feet feel like against the floor? What do I smelling? What am I doing? Because I'm just shifting my awareness out to everybody else or to the spirit world. It's not them bugging me, it's me shifting my awareness.

Dana:

So as soon as I figured out that I could control my own energy and that what anybody else around me was feeling or experiencing was none of my business and I was no longer curious or open, my energy wasn't open and I wasn't this huge sponge and I would. I practice like energetic bubbles and just being like I. I am like this energetic bubble. Nobody gets to come into my energy and I practice things like that. But that all came from spirit. Like I asked them for tools and they were like do this, do that, do this, do that. And what was really cool was when I actually could start to afford some education like proper. They were just reintegrating or saying in a different way, or saying in the same way what my guides were already telling me, and so it was extremely validating, like okay, cool, got that already.

Lauren:

Thank you, that is.

Frank:

But it was really cool.

Lauren:

That's so it's. It's inspiring that, like you took, you had the patience to do that on your own, because I mean, you know, if a lot of people like you said, like if they're going for going straight to their mentor, then that's kind of a quick answer or help me, and to have the patience to sit in that and like literally just ask spirit is that's cool, good job.

Dana:

Oh, I mean, I was, I don't. Don't, don't applaud me too much. I was pissed off.

Lauren:

No, no, ok, I still want to give you a little trophy.

Dana:

I wasn't like some Zen monk during this. Like going like thank you, I was like why can't I afford proper education? Like I was pretty pissed off. It's only recently where I was like thank you, okay, I understand. Now I also, like you know, I said I didn't want to like I didn't choose mediumship. I also didn't choose to like teach, like teaching also chose me and I also know now that I'm the great teacher that I am because I learned the way that I did and I'm able to.

Dana:

I'm not regurgitating something that somebody else said, because I'm truly teaching from my own experience, from the spirit world, the lessons they taught me and that's been really cool, they taught me and that's been really cool and even to the point.

Dana:

In our school we really talk about, like when we sit in the power, when we sit for spirit, let them teach you.

Dana:

You know we are just your guides along the way and, yes, when you have a question you can ask, you know I'll be there to support you and be there for you. But at the end of the day, does it feel right to you? And we we try to empower our students with discernment of just because I say it, does it feel true to you when I say it and I'm just the guide. The spirit world is your teacher and I'm just your guide along the way. I'm just a few steps along further in the journey than you and I can help you, along with exercises and tools to get you there. And it's not putting myself as because I feel like sometimes, especially if you're coming from religious trauma, especially if you're coming from religious trauma, I feel like you can feel like your mentor, teacher, is the gateway to spirit, when it's really about you becoming that relationship with you, spiritualizing yourself, you understanding that relationship between you and the spirit world, is the most important thing in your development.

Frank:

I've gotten the impression.

Lauren:

Great difference.

Frank:

Yeah, I've gotten the impression from all the people that we've spoken to that there's no right way to do this and it seems like your um approach to it is kind of meeting people where they are and what what they have naturally felt, and like pushing that a little bit forward um, that's actually one of our things on our website is like we meet every student where they are and we, we, we call it your special spice.

Dana:

So it's really cool because, um, I'm a feeler like everything for me is very heartfelt. I feel everything. I feel, um, I'm very clairsentient. That's really I'm. That's like probably my greatest and or biggest connection um matt, who, um, I teach with, is an incredible clairvoyant. He can draw with amazing accuracy the spirit loved one and present them.

Dana:

So to compare ourselves and say I'm not a good medium because I can't draw the spirit loved one or bring to life the images of the spirit loved one, like Matt, would be to undercut the beautiful mediumship that I do. Or, conversely, for him to say, um, I'm not a good medium because I don't bring the, the sensitive or the, the feeling that Dana does in her readings. That that's not right. We all have a unique and beautiful voice that we're meant to do this work. We have a pool to do this work for some fricking reason who knows why we were pulled to do this work. But I may not be the medium for you, but somebody else is. And that's why I also don't believe in competition, um, either, as mediums, because if I'm not the medium for you, somebody else's. There's plenty of dead people out there, like there is no shortage of dead people. So, like I don't believe in competition, I think that there's amazing mediums out there. There's other people that maybe aren't so amazing, but there are incredible mediums out there.

Dana:

If I'm not the medium for you, I have recommendations for other people that are equally amazing that I would recommend you to. Same thing with teachers. We don't tell you you can only learn from us. We're going to recommend that you learn from a variety of different teachers, but we're also going to empower you with the information of. This is the right place for me to learn. This is the wrong place because this doesn't feel safe, because I did tell you like I didn't take that class from that one place but I fell into some places where I got some bad education and that will make you lose some some time in your development in stepping into the wrong development spaces.

Frank:

So is it bad strategies or is it just bad advice? Is it like just the wrong approach?

Dana:

It can be so many things. I mean some people aren't meant to teach. I mean there's, there's that. Um, there can be people that are teaching before they're ready to teach. They just don't know, so they're regurgitating, they don't understand what they're, what they're really doing yet. Um, there can be people doing it for the wrong reasons, for nefarious reasons I've been in. I was in one situation where I thought it was a safe place and then the person who was running it started to make a little mini cult during it and started to create fear in this space. Yeah, spiritual communities and spiritual spaces are a little wonky. You gotta be really sure.

Frank:

You gotta have your ego in check because at any point when people are giving you their trust, you can take advantage of it in a huge way.

Dana:

And people do yeah, which is why.

Frank:

I am now charging $20 a month for one-on-one access to my new cult.

Lauren:

Meet me at the river and we will.

Dana:

We're real, though I'm not kidding. Like people that got sucked in were not. I was like you know better than that, but they got sucked in and it's like it's a real deal, or like yuck, Wow, that's.

Lauren:

That is scary. Like yuck, Wow, that's that is scary.

Dana:

That's fascinating it happens and you know, I think there's this part of us that all want to believe and I think that's amazing. But having grounded skepticism even in people that we really, really trust, that seem really, really amazing to us.

Frank:

Of like, just, we have to always have our discernment and have grounded skepticism and just keeping an eye out for egotistical people or like self-important seems to be like the best strategy for identifying the losers.

Lauren:

Yeah, people can do some like serious damage too. Like we, we did this episode called what's your thing. We went to Venice beach and we started just asking people like do you have a second to talk about intuitive things? But we talked to this one woman who she's like I have I'm kind of scared of like psychics, because someone just like came up to her when she I forget where she was. She was in like a different country and someone just approached her and was like you're going to die when you're 50. And she was like 10 years away from that and it's just kind of like this thing in her head that she's so scared of. And she's like, oh, it's kind kind of I have to talk to my therapist about it. And we were like we don't believe that that person was being true. Which kind of helped. We were like talk to someone else just to at least feel a little bit better but the psychic cleanup is real.

Dana:

Oh yeah, I bet, like that story doesn't even like shock me. Yeah, no, because this, the war stories that I could tell you of things that people were told, the, the, the things that people were told like, if I don't give you this much money to do this spell, blah, blah, blah is gonna happen. I mean, people get taken advantage of and especially with mediumship.

Dana:

You know there's the love spells and there's different things and whatever, because people want love, but when it's somebody that you love and you were in the deepest, darkest grief of your life, like the things that I've heard, make me sick like make me sick, and there have been so many times where I've had to do cleanup readings, where these people come to you broken and devastated because of what somebody else has said to them, and they've been walking around for years thinking that their loved one is stuck and hates them and won't come and talk to them. And because they hate them because a medium said it was their the medium's excuse for them not to come forward is that they're mad at you and they don't like you, and so, and so they carry that around for whatever, and so, and so they carried that around for whatever. I had one where the medium said they're at a lower vibration because they have a lot of regrets from their life, so they won't come forward and talk to you. And so two years later, she booked a reading with me and in two seconds I was like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Dana:

And she's like like, did he get through everything, like all the regrets? And I was like what are you talking about? And she's like this is what this medium said to me. And I was like, oh no, honey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like what she told you was absolute crap. And so this poor woman had to go through all that time like worried about her loved one on the other side and we don't see, we can't see or know like fully what's going on over there. So to walk around when you're already in your deepest grief and be controlled by fear and be controlled by misinformation, like that, I can't like, I can't tell you how many times.

Lauren:

That's devastating. What's wrong with people To just like hold on to that and feel like like you're carrying around some guilt for some false thing, like that's not even oh for two years? I mean, thank God she actually came to you and you did the cleanup, as you call it.

Frank:

Cleanup readings.

Lauren:

But what?

Frank:

a nightmare. Yeah, what's the point? Like that person didn't get anything out of it. I don't understand.

Dana:

Um well, a lot of mediums, underdeveloped or whatever, will make excuses for why they weren't able to connect as well.

Dana:

So, you know, I can't really connect with lower vibrational spirits as well, because I'm so high vibe. They'll say things like that I can't connect with your loved one because they'm so high vibe. They'll say things like that I can't connect with your loved one because they've already reincarnated. They're so busy right now doing something else, they couldn't come and talk to you. Today is another one. Oh, I've heard it all. I've heard it all. So these are red flags, guys, I think, to anybody who's seeking out mediumship, uh, readings, use your discernment also, like, if they're not making a connection for you, what's their refund policy?

Dana:

you know, I think yeah yeah just like anything, we should be having refund policies if we're not making connections, dude for sure this is.

Frank:

This is a psychic erectile dysfunction, and and and there's no blue pill for this.

Lauren:

I'm sorry I have a question that, like I haven't asked anyone yet. Do you know if, like, let's say, if I died and I am I still Lauren, and do I remember as a spirit past lives?

Dana:

so, okay, this is my understanding. Tell me all. It's so hard to like grasp it and here's the one thing I want to just tell people before I jump into this it's really hard as humans to put everything in a box with spiritual concepts that are very complex. So the less that we can try to black and white, think the afterlife and these spiritual concepts, that's going to relax everything for everybody. So, you know, try not to like think of everything as black and white or this or that in the spirit world, right.

Dana:

So, that just makes that just makes. That makes it easier because, um, could they have reincarnated? Yes, but is there still part of their soul on the other side? Yes, so it's not that that simple. We think, a lot of us think, that our we're just fully like you, just feel like you're just fully, lauren, there's a hundred percent of your soul is here, present in this world right now. However, just a small bit of your soul is here, right?

Lauren:

now.

Dana:

And there's like what I think of as your higher self. We've all kind of heard that term of higher self, but to me that's like our greater soul or higher soul, or like the connection to our higher self, or whatever. And from that higher self, maybe there's Lauren's incarnation going on right now, maybe you have concurrent incarnations going on. That's connected to that same soul, if you will. Okay, right, or there's past lives or incarnations that were, that are connected to this experience or whatever, but it's still part of that same consciousness of the soul of Lauren. So maybe you only have like five to 10% of Lauren soul, like in you right now.

Lauren:

I mean, that makes sense.

Frank:

No, it makes sense my skittle brain. No, that's only a 5%. I knew that's where you're going to go with that.

Dana:

So when you're connecting to the spirit, there is that consciousness that is connected, that soul, the over soul that is part of your soul, is still connected to. Like Frank, if I let's say you passed on God forbid right, passed on and you return back to that where, from whence you came, that soul that is you and you wanted to come through to him, you would have awareness of not only your life with Frank and everything that you could bring forward to validate everything about your life together, that soul love would, that soul connection that the two of you have, that soul to soul connection, would still be there, but you, as part of the one that is, you, would have awareness of all of your past lives, anything else that's going on, all of that Okay.

Frank:

So our, our intuitive psychic therapist told me at one point that like there is it because we did like a past life thing. Yeah, he said that there is. He feels like there was a piece of there's still a piece of me in some of those past lives. So to Dana's point like with concurrent existences, I don't get that, that's fine.

Dana:

okay, I don't have to so I mean, this is a soft plug for for our new podcast you can hard plug you know megan elise okay, cool with megan elisa, which you guys know, yes, um, and matthew tau, we have our podcast super normal, yes, and it's about making all of this crazy spiritual stuff that we just literally talked about. That's like what do you? What? Huh? Thank you, and it's also to make you feel more normal, cause I feel like, as we go through this spiritual journey, we feel weird and we we feel like what am I the only one who thinks this weird shit? And we just wanted to make it normal and we wanted to make it? I the only one who thinks this weird shit? And we just wanted to make it normal and we wanted to make it funny.

Lauren:

I've seen some clips and I'm excited.

Frank:

I'm excited too. That's like similar to our thing.

Dana:

Yeah yeah, it's a blast. We're loving making the episodes, but the episode that just came out is on past lives and we talk about the current thing and all of that. So like a little bit of what we just talked about. We chat about it in an episode that we just did.

Lauren:

You hear that listeners Super normal podcast Go catch it yeah.

Frank:

You know, another way I've heard it described recently is that, like you know, let's use the metaphor of, like a computer, we are living on the desktop. You know you can operate on the desktop and have all your focus on the desktop and you can still do things with the computer. But, like, those are programs that go deeper and it eventually gets down to ones and zeros If you decide to go a little deeper to the operating system.

Lauren:

So I'm not a computer person either. You know what a desktop is. Just kidding so like yeah, I get it. Yeah.

Frank:

Yeah, which I?

Dana:

thought that was pretty fun way of thinking about it. It's the, it's the almost like going like focusing very finely in and then focusing out, like there's. It's kind of like I said, there's not a this or that, it's like this and that it's like so much going on at once and that's why I don't know, you know, being very flexible in everything that we try to understand from our spiritual lens is so important because our simple, sweet little human brains, just they, and our egos get involved and it gets like the whole thing that we want to try to understand things and be right that the more flexible that we can be in trying to understand these very complex spiritual topics, the better. And I always say, the more that I understand about spirituality, the more I understand I know shit about anything I know shit about anything.

Dana:

So having some humbleness about how we're going to approach or learn and be able to like, let go of like I thought I understood, that Maybe I don't, and be able to put down what no longer resonates with us as we, as we go.

Frank:

The fun thing about all of this and I'm sure I've said this before about all of these conversations and all this this you know, acquired knowledge and even the knowledge that you don't know shit is like the world is so much more fun than an interesting than than a lot of people give it credit for. Yeah, this is, this is bananas, this is bananas, and I'm all in like I don't know.

Dana:

Be careful what you ask for. Cause 2024 has been fricking weird thus far, so I agree, and I got I was like you want to get more weird.

Frank:

I have weird. I have weird. Uh, I don't know. There's so much going on, like you said, but I feel intuitively strange about next year. I don't know, it's I don't know, but we'll see buckle up. Listen again I've heard that we're in a period of and I'm sure every generation has said this in the past but I've heard that we're in a chaos period, and for things to get better, they must kind of fall apart first. So so here we go we're in the tower card.

Lauren:

I was gonna say tower time, oh my god, I just pulled the tower card upside down you did the other day and I was like, okay, let's go also really quick.

Frank:

while we're on the topic of tarot, for one second, when you were talking about how, um, the the spirit was talking about like making you know, making sure you focus on creating memories and that you don't need things. And, um, I just recently pulled my last card. Pull for tarot was the 10 of pentacles and I feel like that's the card that's. I kind of love it. I want to get a tattooed on me or something.

Frank:

I don't have a single tattoo, but that might be the one, because I asked specifically about how to make the best decision for myself moving forward, since I have so many different sources of I don't want to say wisdom, because I don't want to think myself wise, but I have so many different sources of motivation that I can pull and make a decision from. I was thinking how do I, how do I move forward? And and you know, in a way that helps my soul's journey, and I pulled that card. I'm like, damn it, that's the coolest thing to pull because it helps you like take the perspective of, like your future self and what, what are you going to be proud of to look back on? What kind of challenges did you get yourself into and got yourself out of that. That was going to be worthy of hanging a banner or poster or photograph on your wall of that event and I don't know that's. That's a big deal for me personally.

Lauren:

I was pretty excited to pull that so yeah, making decisions based on what kind of memory you're creating or what feels like a great experience, that kind of thing yeah and it's interesting because obviously you know we see the Ten of Pentacles as there's coins, there's all over it, right, but it's about earthly, it's about family.

Dana:

It can be about a lot of different things but depending on your depiction, which deck you're pulling from, a lot of times there's family is what you see on the Ten of Pentacles. It's not this big fancy house, it's not the shiny car that you see in the 10 of Pentacles, it's a celebration, or it's showing generations or it's showing family showing up in that card. And I always think of either the 10 of Cups or the 10 of Pentacles is my happy ending cards in the tarot.

Frank:

Yeah.

Dana:

Of you did a good job. Be proud of how far you've come.

Frank:

Right Right. It's funny in the 10 of Pentacles the Pentacles themselves were it's almost like it wasn't the focus, but I kind of I kind of in that for that question I took it to mean like it's going gonna be okay, like you're gonna be okay.

Lauren:

You know you're gonna sit there and pet your dog and pet the dog. Look at your family. We're using rider weight um but like, yeah, I I did enjoy that, that pull, and I think I'm gonna hold on to that for a while and also, in connection with that, her, the, the theme of of what spirit has told you, oh yeah, creating memories, and I kind of want to keep that just yeah, I see your note that says things suck things suck yeah I like that.

Frank:

You know boil down dana's words into things suck look, I'm writing that wasn't meant to be read out loud, but yes.

Dana:

Things suck with Dana Willey.

Frank:

Your third podcast.

Lauren:

Yeah, you have time. Or my art film.

Dana:

Yeah, okay.

Frank:

I want to ask you a question because you have spoken a few times about how you've connected with your guides and they've really helped develop you. I'm so guide jealous, I and and, to be fair, like you since we've spoken to Michael Mayo I have done a few sitting in the power exercises with myself, not not as many as I want to, but like when I do sit down to like meditate or something. That's what I'm going for and it's pretty cool. I like it. In fact, the first time I did it I really felt like my body turned off. I, I, I lean towards my experience, I lean towards, um, kind of out of body astral projection kind of stuff, but um, that felt like the closest. I've gotten to that consciously in a while, consciously in a while. Especially just sitting in a chair, I'm like I can't move my arms. This is a great first step. What was the most beneficial thing that you practiced? To get into a position where you can actually like, meet and interface with your guides?

Dana:

So it's a lifelong journey. I know we're getting so sick of talking about the journey, but it really is. I think everything with this is a lifelong journey and I think that there I I am so glad that you said the whole guide jealousy thing, because I think that is such a real conversation to have, because when a lot of people talk about their guides, you know you hear somebody who's like my God's name is Joe and he is sassy and he tells me exactly that I should eat this and this and this and he's like my, he's in my ear, talking to me all day long. I think that's a, that's a bar. That's too far for people to expect to have that kind of relationship with their guide. Ok, and I'm not saying that that's not possible.

Dana:

I don't believe that you should limit the limitless, like maybe that's what your guide relationship is going to be, going back to being flexible and being open, that it doesn't have to fit some sort of paradigm. I love that you're doing sitting in the power, because that is starting to make you very sensitive, is starting to make you very sensitive. Clairsentience feeling, clear feeling, is one of the best things that we can do to simply become aware of when something has changed, what has shifted, what has changed. So, when we go into that altered mind state, when we've gone into that passive, receptive state of mind, what has changed? If we welcome a guidance to work with us and we feel something is shifted and changed, what is that? And it doesn't have to be this profound thing where it's like oh, my.

Dana:

God he's here. It can just simply be like I feel something, maybe a little bit of density on my right side of my face, maybe I'm feeling a little bit of chills, or maybe I just simply saw the color yellow for a brief moment. We're just not becoming infested in anything coming in. We're just simply noticing any soft, subtle shifts and changes. For me, when I started to do this, the first thing that was coming forward to me was the color purple. It was this purpley mist and I was like cool, because I just asked to meet my guides in meditation and I could feel that the room shifted and changed a little bit and I could just like it just feels like somebody's here. It just felt like somebody was in the room, like somebody's here. It just felt like somebody was in the room, like if Lauren's in the corner of the room, frank, but you can't see her, you can kind of feel that she's there, right, like it kind of feels like that, like that's how I would describe it. And then I just saw the color purple and I saw this purple mist and so for my first time with my guide, that's what it was and I just built upon that and that took a really long time of like you're a purple mist, and then he changed into something else. And then he changed into something else and it's because my active mind, my imagination, got involved in it a little bit. I'm not mad at that.

Dana:

For your guide Like, if you want to give your guide a name because it helps you, you can certainly ask why you're doing a guide meditation or something like that. We have one on our YouTube channel that you can try. But you know, if you ask your guide for a name and they give you one, cool, most guides won't. But if your guide gives you a one cool, most guides won't. But if your guide gives your name, cool If you want to name him or her or it name them, whatever you want, sometimes giving it something tangible to reach out to. For me, even just having the color purple was nice. For a while it was like, oh okay, color purple is coming in and I do feel that same kind of awareness that somebody's here. And then it built into something different. And then it built into something stronger and it had a stronger signature. The more I sat with that energy of like okay, now I know it's here. Now I know it's here. So to a long point of then I was starting to notice the changes in the way that I was thinking.

Dana:

So we all have that voice inside of our head that beats ourselves up of like you need to do laundry. You look fat in those jeans. Who do you think you are? You're not 18 anymore, right? That's not our guides, our guides. Or it typically is like I feel fat, or I shouldn't eat that, or I should do laundry. It's usually an I pronoun that we notice I did that wrong. It's usually an I pronoun like I, I was, I shouldn't have said that. That we all have that voice in our head.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Dana:

What you might notice is you do have another voice in your head and this voice doesn't isn't mean to you. This voice is very encouraging, um, it's usually curt and to the point of like, turn here where you wouldn't normally have turned there. Maybe it's a little inspirational, like like, get out of the way or whatever, and you're just like, oh, okay, I'm going to do that. Or it's like you should apply for this job, okay, just like helpful little tidbits of inspirational. Or you're loved, okay, well, okay, where did that come from? And it's feels very different than that.

Dana:

That I voice that comes in and it typically has a you pronoun voice, or it's very like, very fast and very to the point. And then I started to notice that voice was with, has been with me my whole life, and when I started to pay attention to when that voice came in, I was like, oh, that's you. And I can start to kind of connect the two. I call it my shower time, like I don't have. I mean, I have a shower time, like we all have, you know shower time, but like I have my shower time with my guides, where I it's just a very open, um, open and receptive time for me to just be like what do you want to say to me? And I just kind of go into this passive, receptive state.

Frank:

You can do this whenever you want, but shower time is a good time for that, though.

Lauren:

Yeah, there's like a. Isn't there a Reddit called shower thoughts Cause you're?

Frank:

a little more open to or is it just stupid stuff? But stuff but yeah, like like just the isolation, and you kind of enter like a minor meditative state when you're showering, you're just in there kind of chilling for a minute yeah, like you're not yeah yeah, so I've gotten a

Dana:

lot of amazing what we would call downloads, I guess, in those moments, um, so it's been that. And then I would say the third thing for me that's been really helpful, um and this is like far down the trough for many people is is developing my trans mediumship. Um, that's because I I actually, in that space, blend with my guides, um, and so it's it's far more intense a blending, I mean when we're sitting in the power, when we're doing some of these other meditations, where there is a blend, um, but when we are in a trance, um state, it's a far deeper surrender with our guides. So, um, you just get to know them a little bit better. So through developing my trans mediumship, that's, I feel like I've. No, I know exactly who. They are a lot deeper now than I have forever. So, and I'm still, I'm like that's who the whole time, that's who you were. You actually do wear a fedora.

Frank:

You're goatee.

Lauren:

I've been calling you Brian Bradley, yeah.

Dana:

That was close. It was a BR. It was so close, oh man. So let go of the need for it to be something. I think that's the biggest thing when we want to develop our psychism, our mediumship or like even like connect with our guides, we have so much like it has to look a certain way because we see everybody on TV doing it, or we see our peers. Like I talked to my guide and I had this experience, like let that go, that doesn't have to be your experience.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah, right. Experience like let that go, that doesn't have to be your experience. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, so you're you're referring to guide singular is that you're like lead guide because I've or is that?

Dana:

oh, I have guides. Okay, yeah, I have with a z okay she's always talking

Frank:

about brian they like to be they like to be brian's with a z last question of all the things that you've done to help develop your uh, your mediumship and your psychic abilities, what? What's the thing that everyone should be doing?

Dana:

getting to know who the fuck they are yeah yeah, you can't know what spirit feels like, what's shifted and changed in the room, until you start to know who you are, to know what you feel like and you know we say this a lot at Matt and Dana we can teach you the foundations and all of that of mediumship pretty quick and pretty easy. But it doesn't mean anything if you don't spend any time on you and know what you feel like. And I know we talked a little bit about sitting in the power, but the first part of sitting in the power is sitting in your own energy and I really truly feel, when the spirit world handed down the idea of sitting in the power, that they were so smart in making us sit in our own energy and making us work on our personal development and understanding. Like, where do I need to heal? What do I need to work on for myself to show up as authentically as possible? And I think that's the goal over everything. It's also to know that we are always developing, we're always growing. I think the best mediums that are out there have a mind for continuing to learn, to grow. They're not closed-minded, um, to continue just to be open to what is possible. Um, I think that's that's, that's the goal. And also not to um.

Dana:

You said one thing Don't compare yourself to anybody else. Yeah, I think we spend so much time saying I'm not as good as so-and-so, I'm not as good at so-and-so, I should be doing it this way. It should feel this way. Lean on your own experiences. What you're going through, you're going through what you're going through for a reason, even a difficult reading, even if you are in a development space and maybe you had a rough go of it in that class or in that circle I always look at those as opportunities, not as mistakes or that you did a bad job. I look at those as opportunities. I don't know. It goes back to what we were talking about. Even with when difficult times happen, did it happen to you or for you, and how can you grow from it?

Dana:

Um, some of sometimes those things are placed in our, in our way, so that we can learn and grow from them. So that's, we're on a journey where human people do in spiritual shit and we always have to remember that we're here to be human first and foremost. I think we put such a when we go on a spiritual journey that sometimes we do it as a form of escapism. Yeah, you know we don't want to feel the heaviness of what we experience here on earth. We're struggling with grief. Maybe a lot of people came to this through trauma and through a lot of difficult stuff. So we we run to spirituality, maybe for answers, but also to run away from the stuff here. But we're meant to be here. We're here for a reason. So I don't know how, if that, answered your question.

Frank:

Or if I threw you 20 000 extra things, I love it I mean that the paying attention to and developing your spirituality and your intuitive ability is, for a very short time, like practice, some of the like basic tenets of like buddhism, and I found that to be kind of escapism just a little bit, because it was so hard to integrate this that was in my early twenties. This time around, it very much feels like oh, I'm leaning into the human experience, but I'm going deeper and that's where, like, the true spirituality comes from, comes from and how things can speak through you in a way. And then also like what you said about knowing what, who you are and what you feel like. Our last guest said the same thing.

Frank:

Uh, she's katie marie, from everything aligns. She was talking about like knowing what's in your like scope of, of how you feel and and and to your point, going back to what you're saying about meeting your guides, if you know, if, if all of this is so subtle initially, and how are you, how are you supposed to recognize when your guides are present If you don't know, if you're not able to make the division between what's them and what's you, because I'm sure there is overlap in that too and we've all learned to like just be accustomed to feeling what they are sharing with us, but having that been with us our whole life right.

Dana:

So we're used to having them around.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's a. I think that's huge. I think that's huge.

Lauren:

That's all great.

Frank:

Dana Willie, tell us where people can find you. Give us websites, give us handles.

Dana:

Yeah absolutely so. I'm at Dana Willie Wu, on every social media platform. Social media platform. You can book private sittings with me at Dana a willycom, that's w I L L E Ycom. Uh, you can book development circles and classes, and all of that at Matt and Danacom, that's M a T. He only has one team.

Frank:

Um.

Dana:

I know he's weird, um, he's not here to defend himself, so I can say whatever I want. Um, we have. I have so much to promote. We have our super normal podcast and that's with Megan, elisa, matthew, tao and myself and that's about all spiritual topics. We're going to have crazy guests and all kinds of fun stuff there. And then Matthew and I have another podcast called I'm a medium Ask me how. Which is solely focused on mediumship. So I think that's it.

Frank:

Awesome.

Lauren:

Well thank you so much for spending so much time with us. Yeah, sorry, we took so much of it.

Dana:

I hope it's worth something. Oh yeah, it's been amazing. I've loved hanging out with you guys. Thank you guys. Yeah, it's been amazing. I've loved hanging out with you guys, thank you guys.

Frank:

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