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053: Finding Your Soul Gift // with Lisa Sarick

• Clairvoyaging • Season 1 • Episode 53

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Join us for an illuminating conversation with Lisa Sarick, an interspiritual minister, mentor, and coach. We explore the world of soul gifts and the significance of embracing one's unique purpose. Lisa guides us through the realms of dream visitation, prophetic messages, and the subtle signals from spirit guides that can offer profound insights.

As we delve into the challenges of breaking free from traditional religious structures, our conversation emphasizes the empowerment that comes from trusting one's intuition and recognizing synchronicities. This episode is a call to reclaim personal power and spirituality, encouraging listeners to challenge societal and patriarchal expectations.

We discuss how trauma impacts belief systems and the struggle women face in prioritizing self-care amidst societal demands. We invite you to discover your true gifts, embrace your passions, and challenge the constraints that hold you back.

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Lauren:

Hello guys and gals. In this episode we talked to Lisa Sarek, a mentor and coach who helps spiritual women find and use their soul gifts. She's an interspiritual minister with her master's in art therapy, and she gave me a great new mantra, which is focus your magic.

Frank:

FYM.

Lauren:

I'm Lauren Leon and I'm Frank, and we are a married couple learning how to develop our intuition. This is episode 53 of Clairvoyaging. Wayfeather Media presents Clair Voyaging.

Frank:

Hi, hey guys, hey, what's fresh, what's happening, what's the new deal?

Lauren:

It's a brand new day. What's happening in your world? Damn, that's cool guys.

Frank:

Or maybe it's the evening for them we should do a full, we should just fully do. We're talking to them, but they don't get to talk back to us oh hey, how's your day going? You know, don't say are you serious?

Lauren:

that's like steve from blues clues. Have you seen?

Frank:

any of his videos? We should. I think the new format is blues clues it's so comforting he.

Lauren:

He showed up on my for you page on tiktok the day after the election oh, yeah, and he just. I started bawling because he just are you seriously? He just silently walked up to the camera. He had his cup of coffee and he just looked at the camera and he did this and he just just sat there like this and I was like why do I need this so much?

Frank:

Oh my gosh, I know Steve's a cool dude.

Lauren:

Yeah, I didn't. I was too old for Blue's Clues but I was babysitting when kids were watching it and I just. There's nothing to not like about Steve, I know. Anyway, my whole point is Voyagers, voyagers how's it going?

Frank:

today we should make him have real weird responses though. Hey guys, how's it going? Wait. She said what are you? And you still talk to her and you still went out. Oh my god, okay.

Lauren:

And what about what about your dress? Were you, were you wearing that dress?

Frank:

you were okay, so we did talk about that so yeah, like we advise that maybe you shouldn't, hey, frank?

Lauren:

yes we've got a really nice new review and I just want to say thank you to jyd sea jyd sea.

Frank:

You didn't tell me about this. Yeah, I just saw it on.

Lauren:

I just saw it on um apple podcast recently and they I I'm not going to read the whole thing, but okay, but they did mention the episode with gwen and they said, uh, she seems like an old soul and she's got moxie she's got mustard.

Frank:

I was like, yeah, she does, gwen's got the mustard. Gwen's one of my favorites, she's one of my favorite kids.

Lauren:

Yeah, um so thank you and we'd like to send you a promo pack. So send us an email at Claire voyaging podcast at gmailcom and we'll mail you one of our beautiful promo packs some stuff.

Frank:

Oh, and we, uh, we Throwing in one more little extra little bit inside the new promo packs. It's nothing crazy, but, like you know, I hope you like stickers.

Lauren:

Also, if you're not following us on TikTok or Instagram or threads.

Frank:

Threads we're going off on threads right now we like.

Lauren:

Going off.

Frank:

Threads has been, threads has been around and like I don't know what it is. Apparently the algorithm on threads is just good and like for community building and stuff. Yeah, a couple of disclaimers for this episode. First one you may notice that we are now running ads. Yes, we have an affiliate, so you know we're really coming on up. Hopefully it's not too boring. I'm just going to go ahead and say that the ad is like exactly one minute, so you just four times.

Lauren:

Or if you want a brewy coffee system, listen to it, not to mention you'll want the goods.

Frank:

The deal is sweet. The deal is sweet, but we're not going to do another ad right now.

Lauren:

I'm just saying, it's a warning.

Frank:

I'm just saying Frank's an editor and he, if you hit that, if you hit that go button four times, you might just get right back into the episode.

Lauren:

Or twice it might be 30 seconds.

Frank:

It depends on your platform. Yeah, last disclaimer is that on this episode, I messed up Whoops, listen, I biffed, had a little footage mishap while I was doing some computer backing up. The thing, though, that you want to keep in mind is that you're not even going to notice if you're not watching these on YouTube, but if you do watch this episode on YouTube, it doesn't look as good because I had to use the Zoom video. So a heartfelt whoops, and it won't happen again. Please don't fire me.

Lauren:

And that's that. Let's get right to Lisa Sarek, because she is super cool. I said it in the intro the cold open, if you will. She teaches women how to find and use their soul gifts. I love that. I love that, I do too, she's like just dig in, like you are here for a purpose and I help you find that. Nope, roll it. God, I was going to say roll it away.

Frank:

Roll it away. Lauren's tired and we're going to need to roll her away.

Lauren:

Take it away. So, lisa, thank you so much for joining us on Clear Voyaging. We're thrilled to have you here. Thanks for having me. Yay, we love to hear people's backstories and to find out what brought you to the work that you're doing now. So can you talk a little bit about that?

Lisa:

Sure. So my work now is more as a guide.

Frank:

I help spiritual women to find their soul. Gifts, use their soul.

Lisa:

Catholic, went through that whole religious upbringing yes, you guys are nodding Familiar the sky is. And then, yeah, once I was free to do my own thing, I started exploring other religions. I delved right into Buddhism, for some reason, as soon as I could. I got my hands on like Zen, right, like the Zen books, and when you first get your hands on like a Zen Buddhism book, it makes zero sense whatsoever. But like, I persevered and I became a yoga teacher. I was also an artist. I went to art school. I'm an art therapist, then became a yoga teacher.

Lisa:

Then, to me, though, it's all what the commonality with these things is energy, because art and art therapy is about moving energy right. It's about, actually, when you create something, you've moved the energy from within out. That's why it's healing. You're moving energy, you're not keeping stuff stuck inside. Then I became, I discovered yoga. I became a yoga teacher. I realized, okay, this is the same thing. We're opening up to moving the energy right, and when you're doing that, you're going to start getting intuitive things you're tapping into. When you're letting energy flow through, you're tapping into the energy that is all around us, that is connected to all things. There's a chapter in the yoga sutras, which is the, the yogic path as it was laid out 3 000 years ago. There's a well, it wasn't written 3 000 years ago, it's probably written like 300 they think 80 but in that path there is a whole chapter in the yoga sutras on the cities. A city, as iddhi is like a power.

Lisa:

It's like a magical power, a superpower psychic power yeah, and it's like the chapter is like, hey, this isn't the goal, but this stuff might happen to you. Like, look out if you're going to start meditating, if you're going to start doing yoga, if you're going to be tapping into your energy field. Look, this shit could happen. Yeah, it keep going, but just know, like this is where you know what, what might happen. So that's also moving energy. Um, then I studied energy psychology, which is actually like EFT, like tapping oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lisa:

So I do tapping and all that stuff with clients because, as we were talking a little bit ago about you need to release some things, often the blocks that you have to actually being natural and intuitive, and so same thing though moving energy.

Lisa:

So everything that I do is about that and you will tap into your intuitive self when you do this stuff. So it's like watch out stuff, stuff might happen, um, yeah, so, um, I'm also an interfaith minister, because then I went to seminary because I had a yoga center, a big yoga center with a business partner, and people started asking if I could marry them, as in, officiate their weddings, because I, as a yoga teacher, you, you're sort of their spiritual leader and um, and I was like I don't know, can I, can I officiate weddings? Like how do I do that? And I know you can get ordained online and do that whole thing. But I actually wanted to explore, like, could I be a minister? I can't be a priest, I grew up Catholic, but like that's still not, they're still not doing that right, they're still not doing women.

Frank:

You're not cool enough yet.

Lisa:

We're not cool enough yet, we're not good enough yet. So I found an interfaith seminary where it's in New York City, and where we studied all the faith traditions of the world so that we minister to people of different faiths, people with no particular faith. I loved it. I got so into it. I mean, I studied, then I got to really dig into all the religions, and we had really prominent teachers from each religion come and teach us about their religion. It wasn't like just my teacher teaching us different religions, it was someone, a leader from that faith coming and teaching you. You know, and Wiccans, like, we had a coven and Native American traditions. We had a Native leader come and talk to us. So it was really amazing.

Lisa:

So that's part of what I do. I officiate weddings and do that kind of stuff, but mainly I, like I said, coach spiritual women to use their soul gifts, because it's something that I think we undervalue, even no matter how intuitive, psychic, whatever you are, you are. So, quick story, my best friend is. We went to college together. I was in art, I was studying art, she was studying accounting. She has a gift in math, in the maths. Um, after college, though, she, she had kids, and then the kids were getting older and then I had a yoga center and then she's, you know, came to me one day and said I need a job.

Lisa:

And for a year prior to that probably, she had been hearing those who crossed over to the other side, literally. Oh, she's hearing the spirit world. Yeah, right, we would get readings, like we all my girlfriends would hang out having coffee and she'd go okay, you're, you know your grandmother's, I know you guys have had mediums on right. Yeah, you know, when they're with someone, those on the other side can know. Okay, look, she can hear us and she's sitting next to my granddaughter, so I'm going to tell her something. You know, she says it's like they realize this person hears us, right? Yeah, so, yeah. So she starts like giving us all reading and then, you know, year later, she's like I need a job. I was like you have a freaking job. Are you not going to do the job? God gave you this job so that it's like to that level that you can have this and and just overlook it or not value it.

Lisa:

I'm like you can do this for people. This is so valuable. This could be so healing, and she is so loving, and you know. So, combined with her other gifts, you know she could do her own accounting.

Frank:

Right.

Lisa:

Yeah, like you combine your other gifts with your intuitive gifts, if you have them, and use it in that way, your intuitive gifts, if you have them and use it in that way. So she was like my first unofficial soul gifts client and I helped her to get over any of the blocks, like we were saying. Like, just sometimes people have their own prejudices, right, yes, right, intuition.

Frank:

I don't know what you're talking about.

Lisa:

Yeah, right.

Frank:

Continue.

Lisa:

Yeah, Do you do. You have that.

Frank:

I have.

Lisa:

I have continue. Yeah, do you have that? I'm, I have, I have problems, your problems okay. Well, you can just be it's. It's like whatever was ingrained in us or what we were taught, and we're still saying that and I mean I run into prejudice again. So I don't. I don't do readings, I don't. I am intuitive and I use my intuition in um, in sessions with people. If I do one-on-one work with people, my body is a map of what they're experiencing. So I can feel where your energy is blocked. I can feel when the energy is cleared. Oh, that's cool in that way. Yeah, so they're sentient, right, you guys? Yeah, claire's, yeah, so I have a Clair sentient, so I use that when I work with someone and I found that you know, if you want to find your intuitive gifts, you have to listen to, like, what's happening to you, right? Because I found that by I was working in an internship when I was in art therapy graduate school and I had a client who was schizophrenic.

Frank:

Wow.

Lisa:

And he was, um, really creative, loved to create and stuff, but he wasn't always medicated. Because they don't tend to like their, they're a little paranoid about what someone's giving them. Yeah, he wasn't always medicated, but, um, we would do art together and so, and then when he would leave and I have to write a note now I have to write a clinical note I would be like confused and my mind would be going all these different places and I was like what the hell's wrong with me? Like I can't keep a train of thought. Then I was like, oh, I, I have a, I got it from him, right?

Lisa:

I got a little still in his energy yeah, like I was still in it, I and I. Okay, so I can use that when I want to. But I can also like, let that go through me, like when talking about moving energy, you have to be able to move people's energy out. If you take it on, you got to be able to get rid of it, yeah, or let it go and get back to yourself. So once I learned to do that, now I'm like okay, so I can use that to my.

Lisa:

That's so cool advantage yeah, so so, yeah, I think I think that's really important is to like find your, your clairs right or or your even other weird things. Like I I don't know what this is called, but I dream things. I dream things that happen. I dream, I have prophetic dreams, I have dreams that give me guidance and and I kind of know so in my dream world, I know the difference. I know the dreams that are like spirit guides giving me guidance, and then, like in the moment, you know that when I wake up and I remember the dream.

Lauren:

Yeah, so you were like OK, my spirit guide was with me.

Lisa:

That was one of those. Yeah, there tends to be animals. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, it tends to be animals giving me like experiences, like you know, riding on a dolphin, or I got bit by a whale one time. What A lot of them are underwater animals for me. But I don't know if you have a dream you're riding on a wolf or you're right.

Frank:

It's like I don't have dreams like that, but I want to you just we might have to end the interview right now, because I think you just sparked a level of jealousy inside of Lauren that is untameable, I think, lauren wants to ride a dolphin she got bit by a whale.

Lauren:

Okay, I want to ride on a dolphin or a wolf, oh man.

Frank:

I feel like if you got bit by a whale, it would just like brush your hair. If what? If you got bit by a whale, it would just like brush your hair if what if you got bit by a whale? It would just like brush your hair, because they have the anyway it was a killer whale black and white ones that's scary do you not remember your dreams, lauren?

Lauren:

I do, they're just like mundane usually, or like if it's intense and I remember it, like I'm just being chased by someone, or or like when I used to work as as a waitress. I would have just like server nightmare dreams, and they're so basic. Well, I want to ride a wolf.

Frank:

Yeah, those are stress dreams yeah, we have stress dreams, yeah I really only I.

Lauren:

I have gotten visitation dreams. Um, my brother passed, uh, 20 years ago and I used to get, I used he used to visit me like a lot, um okay, and I've had other other visitations too, but I don't have any. I don't people have such like vivid dreams sometimes. I'll just be like, oh, that was weird. But it was just like, yeah, I don't know, you were wearing this weird hat and we were wandering through this house and like, oh, so boring.

Lisa:

Yeah, I know um, but you know the quality of the dream, like when your brother visited you. You know that quality. Right, it's different. Like when you wake up, you're like that was oh yeah, it's not a dream about my brother, it's a dream where my brother visited me it's different yeah, it's like that.

Lisa:

There's a different quality to the, the animals showing me things or teaching me things, and that's so cool. And then with the prophetic dreams, um, so I'll give you one little dream tip from a friend of mine who's a shamanic practitioner. So I've, I've had prophetic dreams that were like stupid, like you're saying kind of mundane, like yeah, I, I was driving, I was driving my car. Remember this one I was driving my car and I looked in the rearview mirror and there was a red jeep behind me in the rearview mirror. And I remembered that dream when I woke up. And then I went somewhere in the car and I looked in my rear view mirror and there was a red Jeep behind me and people it's not deja vu, it's like, oh, yeah, I dreamed that. Yeah, what is the point of that? Like so, so what you know? But my, my friend said to me that's them saying listen here, right. That's them saying pay attention.

Frank:

Like we're going to drop something here, that's cool, like in this space, like this is your little lighthouse. Come here for data.

Lisa:

Yeah, yeah, Like listen in your dreams. Look we're going to. Are you paying attention? You got okay, here we're gonna. Are you paying attention? You got okay, here we're gonna put something. So that's cool. If that ever happens, that could be a little like yeah okay, that's cool yeah I've had a couple of dream visitations as well.

Frank:

um, never for me, specifically just for information to pass on to family members who were like grieving and stuff Wow. But they're very quick because I my my sleepy brain is not very cohesive. I'm all over the place. Maybe my daytime brain as well.

Lauren:

We're not getting the prophecies and no prophecies, not yet yeah.

Lisa:

So what is that? Like? What is that? That's a Claire. Like what is that? Is that clairvoyance? That's a clair.

Frank:

Like what is that Is that clairvoyance. I don't know if that's even. I feel like that doesn't land in a clair. That just sounds like classic precognition.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

If you were to ask someone who studies the paranormal, I don't know what that lands into. I'm sure someone who knows more than me would know.

Lisa:

Yeah, or the visits from spirit guides in your dream. That's a different right.

Lisa:

That's a different thing like signs in daily life, like getting messages from in your daily life, from spirit. That's not a different thing to like. My couple of Christmas's ago, right before Christmas, my daughter was she's a teenager, yeah, and she's a young teenager and she had a stomach ache and that she started throwing up. And then she's like oh my, my stomach hurts, whatever. And she was like I said well, what's the on the? You know, zero to ten, what's your pain level? And this kid can take pain from just what I've experienced with her through her life, yeah, she, she can tolerate. And she said nine or something like that.

Lisa:

And I was like we're going to a hospital. I'm like, take her. I told my husband, take her to the emergency room. Like I'll, you know, tie up things here, we just have the one kid. But um, and then it was like her whole stomach, her whole abdomen. And two days before that, I think I had read this article about Jake Tapper's daughter. Some journalist, I think, read this article about Jake Tapper's daughter. Some journalist I think it might have been Jake Tapper. His teenage daughter had gone to the hospital with abdominal pain and then like got sent home and and like kept, like tried to go. Like got sent home a couple of times, kept trying and she almost died because her appendix ruptured.

Lisa:

They didn't catch that right away, that's wild because it wasn't like localized, it wasn't like on that one side, or it wasn't, it was just like everywhere. So you read that two days before I had just read that and I so my husband's like on his way to hospital and I'm like where's that article? And I sent it to him. I'm like just read this or whatever, and just make sure that they don't send you home without having checked, right, right. So she got an x-ray and to have her appendix out.

Lauren:

Oh my gosh, that's crazy.

Frank:

I mean just from some of my personal experiences, not things that happened to me, but things that I've heard about or things that I've been involved in. As a general rule, if you have pain and they tell you to go home, don't go home, Don't go home.

Lauren:

Yeah, yeah, say, say no searching.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lisa:

Yeah.

Frank:

It's, it's gosh yeah.

Lisa:

Well, it's like you have to find someone that will listen to you, or yeah, I don't know but yeah, there's like a.

Frank:

There's a strain of um doctors who just think everyone's a hypochondriac and it's not great.

Lauren:

Yeah, that's wow, that's so interesting, though I love. I love those like signs, those little synchronicities or messages from the universe, like and you were truly paying attention, so I was yeah, I think that's one of the important things If you want to develop your intuition.

Lisa:

It's like it's a two way street. It's like imagine you're giving someone advice. You know, maybe they ask, maybe they don't, but they're not listening to you. Yeah, eventually you're going to be like that person doesn't, like they're not going to be like that person doesn't, like they're not gonna. They don't listen to me, they're not gonna hear it. Yeah, yeah, if the universe is talking to us in intuitive messages or messages around us or whatever we I always tell my clients say thank you every time, like when that happened and then she had to have her, I said, thank, you got it, thank you yeah, make sure you are acknowledging it

Frank:

yeah, acknowledging it, yeah and saying more of that, please yeah, yes, yeah, like, thank you got it.

Lisa:

Um, yeah, I'm open, I'm listening because if you're just gonna take it for granted or right, you're not opening that street, right um your experience growing up catholic.

Frank:

We'll just go through that real quick. What was the thing that made you start questioning the practices there?

Lisa:

When they said God is everywhere, but they weren't saying that God is in me, I was like, well, if God's everywhere, why can't I access it in me?

Lauren:

Wow, that's an interesting observation. I was like a kid, I was a little kid.

Lisa:

I was like you're not saying the same, you're being incongruent there. And the other thing was God loves, loves everyone, but you can't be gay.

Lauren:

I don't think that's right, and you were a kid like having these realizations yeah, I mean I, I went all the way through I got confirmed when I was.

Lisa:

I got confirmed when I was a teenager, so it was before yeah, it was before my teens yeah some.

Frank:

I just the inconsistencies that I I don't know, did you like get confirmed, like holding your nose along the way, or was it like were you not quite there yet?

Lisa:

no, I, I was fine, but I love ritual okay ritual is freaking awesome.

Lisa:

I was like I love this, I love the frankincense, like give me all the time. I was like this is great, yeah, yeah, the dress. But then my grandmother was my sponsor, my whole. I'm like I love all this. I got another, I got another name. Yeah, that, that shit's amazing. Like that's the shit that all the religions do something like that I love. Yeah, so totally down with the ritual. And then my parents were very much like that's, kind of like you are now an adult in the eyes of the church also so they were like after that they stopped, stopped pushing like go to church on Sunday.

Lisa:

They let us really, once we got confirmed, decide more what we wanted to do or not. So that's interesting, yeah, yeah.

Frank:

You and I have a lot of overlap and I think we haven't touched on it yet, but we're going to get there. Because the thing for me was very similar realizations, and then like saying, well, it's not like the foundational belief system of, like the 10 commandments, it's pretty good, that's pretty good stuff, no complaints, literally 10 out of 10. But all the other junk. I started blaming the church administration and the powers that be, and that brought me into you know, I lost friends because I decided to walk away from the church. I said you guys can do whatever you want, but I can't do this anymore. Something doesn't feel right. I said you guys can do whatever you want, but I can't do this anymore. Something doesn't feel right.

Frank:

And and so begun my rebellious teen years that I never grew out of, I am still in it, and and now, in this period of time that we find ourselves in, I'm, I've been doing a ton of research and I'm actually I think, the episode that was going to come out before yours I'm doing a whole breakdown of the concept of divine femininity and like the patriarchal and authoritarian system that we find ourselves in, and how that is. It's time for change, um, and hearing that you are. It's time for change, and hearing that you are a guide to like help women find their true gifts and their spirituality and their intuition.

Lisa:

I'm so excited to hear more. Yeah, yeah, I mean there's. This is the time for us to own our power, and so many of us are not, and it can be scary there's. I just did a. I just did a workshop about harnessing your intuitive gifts, talking a lot about the witch wound, because, as women and I'm not saying some men don't have this but as women, we might have ancestral trauma and or past life trauma where we were persecuted and or killed and or burned or drowned for being a witch, which I have been called in this life as well. Do intuitive readings. But just because I talk about it, talk about intuition and channeling, all my friends I'm surrounded by and you're gonna that's gonna happen to you too end up surrounded by just channels and healers and yeah like you know, animal communicators.

Lisa:

I mean, I have someone I can call for everything. I said you know my friend who talks to dead people.

Lisa:

Have my friend who talks to animals that you're gonna have this too, right, yeah, and so I talk about that, and I and so I yeah, I live in a very, um, conservative area ended up here I don't not from here, but you're in pennsylvania in pennsylvania yeah, in a very conservative area and my daughter was going to uh, play practice and I would drive her and some other moms would drive you know, we're driving this group of kids that were doing this and one of my friends said, well, let me put you on the text chain for this carpool. And I said cool. And then I got a message and I realized it wasn't a text message chain, it was a Facebook message chain.

Frank:

And I saw it was a Facebook message chain.

Lisa:

yeah, when I saw it was a Facebook message chain, I was like, uh-oh, I think I might be in trouble. I just knew some of the parents that were on it, and especially this one mom who I knew was very religious and conservative Christian, and I was like, man, if she checks out my Facebook profile, we're in trouble. And I think it was around Halloween. Oh boy, just posted stuff about what it actually means to be a witch, like what a witch is. A woman, a witch is wise, whatever. Yeah, I knew I was in trouble. So then the next day I got kicked out of the carpool.

Lauren:

Oh my gosh, wait, okay, that's so, that's so. I I'm sure it was just like all right, whatever. But yeah, I'm so curious, like what was the exchange Like? Was she like you, you can't drive my kid anymore? Because?

Lisa:

Yep, yeah, she told the other she told the mom who got me we don't and we didn't even know each other, we had never met. But she told the mom who I was already friends with that she's a witch and I don't want my kids in her vehicle, like she didn't want me to spell them or anything. I guess she didn't want spell them or something yeah, of course yeah, yeah, I couldn't drive.

Lisa:

So I don't know if my, I don't know if my kid is allowed to ride in her car, but her kids weren't allowed in mine. And I was like that's fine. And and I asked my daughter like what do you think of that? She's like everyone likes you better anyway. It's stupid, you know, of course. So she's like everyone likes you better anyway. Yes, of course. So I wasn't. I mean, it wasn't a big, it was just really like Okay.

Frank:

Yeah, a little bit, let's, let's Okay.

Frank:

The here's what I want to ask about, because we are in now, we are in modern times and we're talking about the persecution of witches and like how some of these intuitive abilities uh, the trauma you might be born with, the trauma because of past lives, past situations, whatever it might be intuitive gifts are are innately feminine energy and, because of the powers that be, it appears to me and I want to get your take on this it was in the patriarchy's best interest, to as much as they can demonize feminine energy and the energy of being an individual and being yourself and feminine power Like yeah and just kind of like taking taking power into their own hands and to point where, like the concept of a witch, very much might have been created to demonize feminine power.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

And that because we all like to have fun. You're going to call me a witch, I'm going to be a witch, and yeah.

Lisa:

Yeah. Well, when I got the text message, she said you're a witch. I texted back. Well, I'm not, not a witch, I don't tell you in her definition Right.

Lisa:

And it's the Christian in the Christian thing, in the, in a conservative Christian mind. We're not allowed to. It is power. Like you said, lawrence, about power. Right, we're not allowed to directly access god, which is the thing I said. I didn't, I didn't understand backstallis. I was like what? Like we're not allowed to open up a direct channel, we're not allowed to channel spirit energy, that's demons or devil work and we're not allowed to meditate.

Lauren:

Even meditating or opening up to, I guess they're afraid the devil's always gonna sneak in oh yeah yeah, I've gotten a comment on like I did this like meditation challenge for like a 30-day challenge and I was posting daily to just like give a little. Here's the thing I did today and I got like a comment that was like we're only supposed to meditate on the word of God. Right, Be careful what you let in.

Frank:

And I was like I'm not even going to give this any attention At this point that we are in history where everything that is not just Jesus is considered the devil, or a demon Jesus is considered the devil or a demon. Like there's this like very strange black and white cut where 90% of spirituality is just the devil's work and there's only like one right way and it's only okay when Jesus does magic, no one else can, and like it's kind of.

Lisa:

Because I've seen this, the woman who kicked me out of the carpool. I saw her. It's a long story, but they have a coffee truck and I love coffee and I went to the coffee truck and she was outside the coffee truck like praying on someone, like channeling Jesus, saying Jesus come, and blah, blah, blah. And she had one hand on her and when I'm like I do that Right, I do that I bless a couple, I say God bless this marriage and like I just if you don't use that exact word, like you said, it's not that way or you're not calling Jesus Like there's lots of great Jesus is awesome. I love Jesus. Jesus is wonderful. There's also lots of other spirits that are willing to help us.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lisa:

You can be, have good intention and ask for good. And my friend, who's a medium, like I said, she is so loving and and sweet, but she always does do a prayer of like only you know, make good, protect us and god protect us. And, yeah, only what is good come through.

Lauren:

And, um, I don't know if there are demons or evil spirits, whatever, but, um, you know it's, it's your intention yeah, the intention, the higher vibration and saying, like you know, for everyone's highest good it Christians, if we could just access God ourselves.

Lisa:

But in my seminary it's really interesting because all of the faiths, all of the traditions, we had a teacher that came and taught us but they had been someone who, like went all the way up, use that religion and then went to the mystical, Like any of the paths can go to mystical.

Frank:

Every path goes to mystical. Yeah, if you're allowed to bypass the glass ceiling.

Lisa:

If you let go of it, yeah. Well, our Buddhist teacher said once you cross the river, don't take the raft with you. Wow, I like that you could use the religion as much as you want and the and the teachings and whatever, but then, once you get there, don't, then it doesn't matter. Yeah, okay, which?

Frank:

brings up another question for me actually, which one is the correct religion?

Lauren:

religion? Good question. That's so cool that you learned all those different like, like disciplines, and I mean cause some people are like I can marry people and they go to like online. They just fill out a little, a little certificate.

Frank:

If I were to ask the universal churches, I'm Reverend Frank. That was in high school. That was in high school. A little certificate I'm. If I were to ask the universal church, I'm reverend frank that was in high school that was in high school. It was, it was a joke, it was a band thing it's cool like going in doing a deeper dive and yeah learning every different.

Lauren:

You know part of it.

Lisa:

That's so cool yeah, and that's what we learned. Is that really, like, all paths lead to the top of the mountain? Every or can, like you said, if you do break through the ceiling, if you let it go, like what you know? I have another teacher who said why isn't christianity creating christ's? Why isn't buddhism creating buddhas? Like, why isn't everyone walking around like jesus, all these christians? Well, they're not doing it. They're not actually right. You're not actually getting to the point. Like there should be Buddhas and Jesuses walking around. You know, magically healing everyone. We can.

Frank:

Dude, it's fear.

Lauren:

It's fear and control, yeah, control, yeah, yeah, wanting power.

Frank:

And then you said something fun because you're saying I don't know if demons exist or anything. You're a witch. Of course you should know, according to everybody else. But the funny thing is about all of these like you have to follow the rules. We say this is what the rules are. All of that creates more than like staying on the rails. It creates fear of what's outside of the rails, and the fear correct me if, if I'm wrong is what makes you more susceptible to inviting negativity in. You can't have good days all the time. You're gonna have a bad day. One day you're gonna be a strict catholic and you're gonna be like oh my god, this is the devil.

Frank:

He's in me already the low vibration and any, any spirit that just has feels like being a dick on that particular day is gonna say, hey, look at this guy. At this guy I'm going to say I'm the devil.

Lisa:

That's where. That's where even like new age spirituality, like non-religious spirituality, goes wrong too, when it's like good vibes only and all the. Are you kidding me? Like, how about rage vibes? How about like all the? I just I just commented on someone's thread right after the election. Be the rage you wish to see in the world be the rage that's such a conversation.

Lisa:

You know like be the rage at, at like not allowing people to have equal rights, be, you know, enraged at, you know, whatever's hurting families, you know separating families, and like just there's things to be and that's okay. That's part of this. This human experience is part of spirit. Is it everywhere? Remember god's everywhere. So then god is in all this stuff and there's.

Frank:

This world just is a world of opposites, and if we can embrace all that, it's a world of opposites and like, yeah, there's the concept of the yin and the yang. I always I talk about all the time with Lauren the like the yin and the yang are both correct. There is a time to, there is a time to to. There's a tower moments. Do you do tarot at all?

Lisa:

Not the traditional.

Frank:

Okay, okay at all, not the traditional okay, okay, okay. But, like you know, you have your, your tower moments where, like it is sometimes your job to be non-compliant and and if you feel that rage, you can, cool-headed in a cool-headed manner, rage in the correct direction, and a lot of that, especially for women right now, is calling your power back to you I think the like high vibes only just goes into the like toxic positivity thing.

Lauren:

Yeah, because like not everything is just like it's all good, like it ultimately will be and is all good, but like to kind of just wash over everything with like just stay high vibration and everything will be fine.

Lisa:

It's like that's because then you are afraid. Then you are like frank was saying then you're afraid of rage, or you're afraid of you're, you're gonna cut off half of yourself and leave it in the shadows.

Frank:

Yeah, when you want to bring it all, bring it all, yeah there's a division here where, like everyone needs to address the fact that being rageful is not evil, like yeah, there's a big difference.

Frank:

There's a huge difference, yeah yeah, it's not unspiritual to be rageful yeah, don't stay there, don't, don't stay there, yeah right, yeah, don't live in it for me, something that I'm learning is to take my like, genuine rage towards I'm. I'm so anti authoritarian, but not an anarchist in any kind of way. So I'm taking my rage, I siphon it personally into like humor and make it fun, and I try to make that fun for other people too, and that sure, maybe I poke the bear and like, but that's a fun way to get people to maybe recognize their own traumas, cause if you're that triggered, you need to focus on that.

Lisa:

Yeah, a friend of mine calls it tromedy.

Lauren:

Tromedy.

Frank:

Good Lord.

Lauren:

How have we not? We are the pun people. How have?

Lisa:

we not you do youedy? Oh, my god, I have a friend who writes Traumedy. Yeah, it's good.

Lauren:

You can have that.

Frank:

Here's my range. I'm mad.

Lauren:

I'm mad that we haven't said or thought of that word.

Frank:

We're not as cool as we think we are.

Lisa:

No, what a bunch of idiots. You know, what I've stolen from someone is was-bend. Because I have a was-bend Was my husband.

Lauren:

My was-bend. Oh my God.

Lisa:

My was-bend is an alcoholic that I, yeah, had to leave.

Frank:

Had to was-bend.

Lisa:

Yeah, had to leave.

Frank:

Yeah, oh my gosh. Okay, hold on, I want to talk. I want to hear more about your experience in working with women and their trauma and their intuitive developing. Um, is there some like uniting trauma that they're working through, that they need to call back their power in a particular way?

Lisa:

that's a good question and there doesn't have to be a uniting I don't know that there's one there's, the religious one is definitely a common one, sure, where they have to clear this thought that it's not okay, I have to close down this power, this ability.

Lauren:

Are you saying is there a specific trauma or is there a specific kind of belief system that gets formed after trauma?

Frank:

Well, I mean kind of of both yeah, the traumas create the beliefs.

Lisa:

Right, yeah, traumas often create the belief. So there's, there's that one and there's just the there's a good girl oh shit yeah that's and this may be the kind of the witch wound thing where there's the good girl thing a lot of, a lot of women have to get over. You know not, you don't want to be a bitch. You don't want to be a bitch or a witch, yeah.

Lauren:

So the good girl yeah.

Lisa:

Too bossy to all that and and taking care of that? Your job is to take care of everyone else. So there's that. There's a lot of the good girl stuff. That, because so many women come to me and they've focused on everyone else for so long, and I tell, I tell the story when I was with my husband and I was focused on him because he was had this drinking problem and I lost myself in focusing on that, so I had to then let that go and then find myself again and this is my job Like if I was supposed to be focused on someone else, I would be someone else.

Lauren:

Right. I'm supposed to take care of this.

Lisa:

Yeah, I'm supposed to take care of me and then you know, it's the what's that thing? The oxygen mask analogy, right?

Lauren:

Yeah.

Lisa:

Women just don't, they don't put it on themselves.

Lauren:

They just put all the oxygen masks all over everyone and until they're like dying. I love the way you put that like this is my job. I haven't, I haven't thought of it like that. Like yeah, you always hear the oxygen mask or fill up your cup first or whatever, but like that's so great to just think about, like being taking care of this body is my job. Thank you for that. I just needed to like acknowledge that for a second, because I haven't thought of it that way and this life.

Lisa:

And so what gifts I was given. Like I say, you're, you know, you're like the delivery truck and you were loaded with all these gifts. And what are you? Are you just driving around not delivering them? Or are you like, are you? Do you just, oh, that's great, like all these were loaded in?

Lisa:

So, I do have to focus a lot of times. I have to focus women just on themselves, and that is the first step. And, like you were asking what it looks like, it's, I have a. I do have a coaching program. I have like a 90-day program. I do one-on-one work sometimes also, but my 90-day program is like this is everything I wanted to give women. This is the journey I wanted them to take them on, and it's 90 days. It goes, and it starts with that. It starts with focus on myself. Take care of myself, turn down noise. If you want to tune into your own gifts, you have to stop hearing like all the noise we are so bombarded, aren't we with like, oh my gosh, yeah, outside noise. It's like, just be quiet and turn down the noise and then you'll start to hear right from within what, what wants to be created.

Lauren:

Yeah, it's, uh, that is a huge thing for me personally, Cause I'm just like shut, shut it up.

Lisa:

Are you never in?

Frank:

time. If someone, if someone here's an example If someone texts Lauren, no matter what's going on, there could be a fire, her hair could be on fire she will text that person back right away and listen for me, that's so true. The thing that is yeah, you're available.

Lauren:

I'm so easily distracted.

Frank:

Me, on the other hand, tend to be a little bit of an isolationist. I'm the other extreme.

Lauren:

My friend Kelly the other day said listen, I know, when I text you it's basically a carrier pigeon. It'll get there.

Frank:

When it gets there, you'll respond when you can frank will have like 60 unread messages. No, I probably have 60 unread messages right now. I'll get to them. Yeah, I'm not.

Lauren:

I'm not an emergency service and I'm like I have one. I have to see what it is. Of course they need my response and it's like something so usually mundane or stupid or like whatever, but I feel like I have to respond like immediately I have. I'm so, I've trained myself to be this way.

Lisa:

There's just so much coming at us.

Lauren:

Like yeah.

Lisa:

I mean, yeah, we're not. I don't know that we're meant to have access to the entire world all the time. It's it's so overstimulating so, yeah, it feels like innately wrong yeah, I don't know like think about you know little house on the prairie like they may find out what the neighbors you know a couple miles away are doing.

Lauren:

Yeah, once a month, yeah right and they don't know the outside world.

Frank:

For like a year, right and then. But look what's happened to us now. We're in California so, like you know, we lose power on occasion because of fires and stuff. Power goes out, internet's down Within maybe one minute. I am so bored. I'm bored to tears and I'm not one who in I've never been bored in my life, but my entire life is digital. I'm, you know, I'm an editor. All my creative work is like on a machine and it's like and it's it's crazy to be available and need that type of. You know, but the term dopamine is like abused these days, but still like need that type of that level of being on, yeah, you need that constantly so part of your 90 days, like what is the recommendation?

Lauren:

or like how do you actually do the thing of not allowing so much in?

Lisa:

Yeah, as a spiritual elimination diet, I call it where you start unsubscribing on, you know podcasts. Hey, wait a minute. Not except for you guys like selective sure, sure yeah selective, um unsubscribing to emails, to um tv shows, to youtube channels, to right, just really like, how many do you, you know?

Lisa:

how many d right. Um, I I went through this and I started I unsubscribed like emails to email from my teachers, from like spiritual teachers that I've, I just, and I would unsubscribe and send a little note saying, hey, I'm just, you know, going to listen within for a while, or I just need to turn down the outside voices to hear my own voice, or something like that. And some of the respondents said, oh, I totally appreciate that, you know, good luck, whatever. Yeah, that kind kind of thing like how many really do you need coming in? And then just it could. And then what happens with some, some people that leads to like getting rid of clutter in their homes too that's a big one.

Frank:

That's a big one.

Lisa:

I think really you're onto something, yeah yeah, but really what I mean is the spiritual like just information. Stop taking workshops, stop taking, you know, no more additional intuitive classes, no more additional like you have with. Let's work with what you have right now and put the rubber on the road Like let's not like learning, stop spiritually seeking.

Lisa:

And so it's like I'm saying yeah, like don't do any more workshop except for mine, don't have any podcasts except for this one but I still haven't heard anybody say it that way, because it is true, we have talked about it before.

Frank:

On the show, but like at a certain point, because we have an issue. We have a bit of an issue. Every week we're engaged in a super deep conversation where we are learning about all this stuff and at what point do we take a moment to like practice it and try it out? Yeah, so like fully you know. Like like you know, just because we haven't like joined everyone's programs and stuff doesn't mean we don't absolutely love it and think it's amazing. We just like, if I did everything all the time, I would be so distracted I would never actually digest the lesson.

Lisa:

Yeah, right, so digest it and do it. Yeah, I tell people, stop, stop seeking Like the spiritual teachers aren't going to tell you. There has to be a point where you stop. Right, see what you know? Like, I learned so many meditation techniques at one point that I sat down to meditate and I was like, wait, what the fuck do I do? Yeah, I was like, okay, I think I'm done taking meditation workshops Like you, right you?

Lisa:

have to pick a thing. Yeah, pick one. Pick a practice, do it. Pick an intuitive mode If you want to use tarot cards, do that. If you want to like, you have to pick a thing. So that's one thing. I I you know down the road in the soul gift program like, pick a thing. Like what do you do it? You like you have to decide and do right Cause you can't do all the things you can't lay. I Like you guys, learning all you know from all these teachers, like, of course you're not going to do, can't do all of it, I want to.

Lauren:

Yeah, but then I workshop sounds cool, yeah, that development class. So once they've once, once you've like, closed off all the outside stuff and what's the recommended, is that for 90 days or is that for a month or like Is that?

Lisa:

for 90 days, or is that for a month or like no, it's the first. The first couple of weeks is spiritual elimination and focusing on yourself, Just learning to take really, really good care of yourself. It's like it's a quiet time, at least for a couple of weeks, I would say.

Lisa:

And then we start, then we start just okay, what are your soul gifts Like? Literally making lists, what's your intention, what are your soul gifts? Literally making lists, what's your intention, what are your soul gifts like? Then you start getting just more intentional and soul gifts are can be intuitive and a lot of my clients do have intuitive and psychic gifts but they could be creative gifts or they could just be, um, you know well, I mean, one of my clients started an etsy shop and just with her soul gift, she always wanted to start it and now she's like she became a star seller really quick and she's like it's whatever. Yeah, it's just it's.

Lisa:

It's just to to use your soul gifts and to know what they are so that you can also give your gifts in a way that is nourishing to you, like I said. Like I said about my friend, who's a medium and you know just the way she she does it, but because everyone doesn't want to be tyler henry and be on tv, right? So if you're an introvert and a writer and you have intuitive gifts, maybe you get someone's information and then you meditate quietly and you write and you give them the written reading. Yeah, interface like this if you're an introvert or you don't stand on a stage, or you don't, you know. So I'm like a, I'm like a performer, I'm like yo, give me a stage, you know so like everybody's not you have to get to know yourself.

Lisa:

You know so a lot of it's that. Next, the next steps are like really getting to know yourself and all of your gifts, so you then create something that's not a suck fest. You can create your own suck fest for sure, yes, you can oh yeah, yes, I have done that. And then?

Lauren:

yeah, do you then go like is this, um, is it a 90-day workshop where you have like a small group of people and then you kind of like hone in on what? Where are we? Where are we at? Like, what's your list? Like, how can I help you? Like to drill down?

Lisa:

yeah, we have weekly coaching. Yeah, there's weekly coaching sessions with me. There are video modules, so the course is kind of on in video form, but then we have weekly coaching sessions and people can start anytime so people may be on different at different points on their journey.

Lauren:

Oh, that's cool.

Lisa:

The coaching just helps me get to the next. Get to the next step. And some, you know, some people's intentions are to use their soul gifts for money, but some are just wanting to remember who they are. Yeah, Just to remember who you are and to come out as who you are.

Lauren:

That's nice.

Lisa:

Do not be afraid.

Frank:

Something that you, regarding your friend who, like you know, developed her mediumship, is there, do you see this a lot where people are, um, they haven't given themselves permission to be themselves and like also in a way where, like she has this gift you said you should use your gift to as a job God gave you a job is what you said and like that doesn't fit into our current, like, societal model, so it's not something you would think of initially. It thinks it feels like to people who are trying to stay on the rails too much, it feels like an impossibility or like a pipe dream.

Lisa:

Right, I don't know why, though I see it. I see this is why one of my gifts is seeing other people's soul gifts, because I see it, I'm like why don't you just do that? What are you? Why are you making your life so hard? We?

Frank:

all need someone like you to say that to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lisa:

Yeah, one of my friends says I'm a nudger, I'm just like just go do that, like you know, or just try it. And I'm not saying like, quit your job and join the circus. I'm saying like, like, if you want to be a circus performer, like start, start doing it.

Lauren:

Head in that direction.

Frank:

Follow the circus, yeah.

Lauren:

Lisa says don't know anything. I don't.

Lisa:

I've heard of it but I don't know my, my thing, I also the enneagram, like I don't know, mine, I don't. I've heard that too. I'm like, whatever it is, where you're, I'm kind of an introvert. Actually, I'm introverted in that I need to recharge, I need quiet, I need to be alone, I need like nothing. I need no one to talk to me yeah, but maybe a projector then, no, because I'm the same way.

Frank:

You can't guess what she is.

Lisa:

Okay, I'm the same, I don't mind performing right, I don't mind being on stage. I could talk to a thousand people. I don't mind that, but then, but if you're in the grocery store and I see you, I probably will try to avoid you yeah, yeah yeah, what's wrong with?

Lauren:

why am I?

Frank:

I do, I do that, I get it yeah, yeah, I, I am a self-proclaimed I guess an ambivert, but I lean towards introvert. And uh, I have a show weekly where I talk about everything I'm thinking about and going through. It doesn't make sense. But then after this I go away and I accumulate text messages and I'll get to you one day. So I totally get it.

Lauren:

But yeah, he played in a band with me. I was like co-lead singer. He was the lead guitarist and would like get the shakes before our performances, before our shows I hate playing shows, but I loved playing it's because you have the podcast is different because you have the protection of, like, not a crowd of people watching you. I think that's the difference I don't know. I haven't gone down this road yet well, one day, when we do a live show, we'll see.

Lisa:

Like you have this, you have these musical gifts and these are those are soul gifts too right, you have all that, but then like, yeah, how could you use that gift but not in a way that you hate doing it? Yeah, it's like that's part of what I, what I help people.

Frank:

Yeah, now I just walk around with my guitar all through the house all day long and bother my family. That's.

Lisa:

That's how I'm using my gift yeah, some things right, and we don't have to give all of our gifts publicly like, yeah, right, we can decide which ones we want to actually do, like I could build websites, but that sounds that's no, thank you same as I hate it yeah I build websites for anybody who asks me, and then I'm like all right, cool.

Frank:

They're like let me pay you. I'm like no, I don't do this for work.

Lauren:

I refuse, I refuse to well yeah, I was going to ask about human design, because our, our type is manifesting, generator, which which, just like, the main thing of that is that you try a bunch of things and you are multi-hyphenate so, or multipassionate so, like we've been in a band, I've had an Etsy shop, I've done acting, we've done filmmaking, we now have a podcast, like we've done all these different things. So are there cases where, like, you find someone has like multiple soul gifts, or is it kind of like this is funneling down into this one thing?

Lisa:

now that everyone has multiple, I always I encourage decision, decision, I encourage yeah, because I encourage. I encourage let's, let's, let's. Draw all the energy that's all these places and just decide on one thing. And sometimes people are afraid to decide because, like, what about all the other things? Cold feet, just right yeah it's like I'm not, it's not written in stone, it's not for the rest of your life, but you, you, your energy is more powerful.

Lauren:

Oh, wow, that's exactly my plight the biggest. Most of the time, I've given myself permission to just be focused on one thing, and it doesn't mean that that's what I am. Only right, or? Forever yeah, like I learned reiki this in the last year and I was like, well, I'm not gonna be just like a reiki practitioner, like, like, what does this mean? It was like this thing of like what does this mean about me? Now, like it had to define me in some way. It's just an extra thing that I now know.

Lisa:

Well, I like 90-day intentions right. So at the beginning of the program I have everyone have a 90-day intention Like what do you want for the next? Where are you going to focus for the next 90 days? You could do quarterly, right. You could do it with the seasons seasons, like the universe can show us how to do, how to do this next season, next 90 days, okay. Okay, here's where my energy is gonna go.

Frank:

You could do 90 day chunks, okay the biggest joke that I feel like you're writing that very, very hard yeah, I am frank is going to put that back in my, in my face 100.

Frank:

This is for you every day for the next 90 days no, listen, the biggest joke we have to deal with, as as humans, is the concept of time. It's comically horrible, yeah, to deal with that, like for lauren in particular and me also. But lauren, lauren's so bad at time it's not a skill you have. No, it's not. Yeah, it's, it's real. It's real bad at time.

Lauren:

It's not a skill you have. No, it's not. Yeah, it's real bad.

Frank:

But really I used to, before we were involved in spiritual stuff, I'd always say, Lauren, you're kind of like this nebulous cloud of possibilities and like you refuse to wear a watch, Like I need you to siphon into something, Like to live into your full power. Right, your full potential, yeah, and which is, I would wear a watch and I wouldn't look at it. Yeah, I'm like oh, cool Watch.

Lauren:

Why is?

Frank:

it dead. Yeah, or I would. And then I just yeah, because you're diffusing, you're diffusing your energy.

Lisa:

then, like everywhere, like you said, completely diffusing yeah.

Lauren:

Well, not only, but with everybody else too. So I'm just like a diffuser.

Lisa:

Yeah, Do you. Diffusers are nice, Cool, Do you make. Do you make? Do you make to do lists or no, like have time or anything?

Lauren:

Yeah, have a lot of time, deep work.

Lisa:

What do you?

Lauren:

know Deep Like, so deep going in work.

Frank:

No no, no, like time blocking, like yeah, like time blocking.

Lisa:

Deep work is a book I'm gonna leave right yeah, you better just walk.

Lauren:

You should walk away I'm gonna mute.

Frank:

I'm gonna mute yeah, I mean I have.

Lisa:

I mean it's, it's just something to try because you can't, you know, say tomorrow from you know one to four or one to two. It's like you don't even block more than like an hour or two at first. Nobody does that. You know, stephen King, I guess, writes in the morning for two hours and then does whatever else the rest of the day. But you do need some time where, like, phone is off, this is off, that it's one hour where I'm gonna, whatever it's, I don't know.

Lauren:

Frank is loving this, because this is because you're really resistant you're resistant to it. I just like I want to do that and then the actually following through with it is so hard and I don't know why there's.

Lisa:

I'm like, well, maybe I need Adderall because I, but I think I just need to focus or just think of it as a just think of it as channeling your energy, just think of it as your power, your energy, and your power, your magic what could you, my gosh, see look what you've done, look what you've created being diffused. Imagine your power if you focused it for 35 minutes or 30 minutes, I like that, focusing my magic.

Lauren:

Thank you for that, okay I'm just, I'm very practical.

Lisa:

I mean, I'm spiritual but I'm practical. I try to bring the spiritual. But this, we're working in this world and we do have time. It's a, it is a thing, but we can transcend that. It's like focus your magic in, maybe it's 30 minutes, then don't, don't make it. You know an hour or two hours I'm going to write focus your magic on our whiteboard in the kitchen.

Lauren:

Oh, he's written it down man, that's such good advice.

Frank:

Yeah, shut. No, don't you understand? It's all this is from a standpoint of encouraging you. I'm a tough guy, I'm a tough love guy, but he's, he's.

Lauren:

He has really good insight and sometimes I'm just like stop it you know it.

Lisa:

You know me too well. You don't want to hear it from your partner. I want to hear it from Lisa.

Frank:

Yeah, sometimes I got to mute myself, See. I know what's going on?

Lauren:

I need to just focus my magic.

Lisa:

Yes, You've created so much. You've done so much and created so much. Being a nebulous. What did you say? A ne, it's a much being a nebulous.

Frank:

What a nebulous cloud of possibilities.

Lisa:

Possibilities.

Lauren:

Imagine if I just narrow it down to one possibility just for a decision just for a block of time.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah, it could be 90 days, or it could be the next three hours. Yeah, just momentarily super focus.

Lisa:

Yeah.

Lauren:

Or would you call it deep work? Well, deep work. So I work at this desk like my. I work my day job and frank will work. His desk is over there, you can't see it, but I'll be like I have to go get some work done. Frank will come in and I'm doing something weird like researching. Yesterday it was like, oh, there's this play in town and I think we should go. I need to tell my dad about this. Or like, just like I'm just off on a whole thing and he's like, oh, yes, you're getting work done. I see I'm just off on a whole thing and he's like, oh, yes, you're getting work done. I see I'm like oops. Or I'll be like there's, there's a sale at this place. Okay, thank you for that.

Frank:

Well, we, we momentarily touched on tapping and how does that, how does that work into your, your practice and your, your teachings?

Lisa:

Yeah, so that works, because I should also say.

Frank:

No one from the show, if they're new to spirituality, knows what tapping is at all. So what is it?

Lisa:

first, so tapping is also called EFT. Eft stands for emotional freedom technique and it is an energy psychology technique based on using the energy meridians of the body, which are the energy channels of the body, similar to the way acupuncture works. So an acupuncturist doesn't stick a needle randomly anywhere. They're sticking it somewhere where there's an energy channel meridian that ends, you know, in your ear or you know, under your arm or somewhere. But those energy channels go through the body. They channel emotional energy, physical energy, spiritual energy and all the energies. So tapping is just using your finger and using your own energy, your own finger, instead of sticking a needle there. You're tapping on acupressure points and there's a little protocol. It's also a ritual which I love. It's also using the intention of the mind. So it's a mind, body, spirit, energy technique and I've been doing it for over 20 years. I've found it to be incredibly helpful.

Lisa:

I found people can be free of something a long-held belief, old trauma. Things can change, like that which the mind has a hard time actually believing. But you really can be free of some of the old stuff. It's something that's blocking you from using your soul gifts or from using your intuitive gifts. It tends to be an iceberg of trauma and belief and stuff that's now created some sort of mental berg and you have to chip away at enough of it until it breaks apart and doesn't exist anymore. You don't have to get every single little thing, but you have to get, okay, the trauma.

Lisa:

I remember my you know my pastor saying meditation is inviting the devil. Okay, I remember my mom saying, no, you didn't really see your dead grandmother at the end of your bed. Yeah, you did. And then, and then the beliefs that you took on from that, like you did, um, and then, and then the beliefs that you took on from that, like part of me is wrong or bad, um, I'm. You know it's not safe to be intuitive. Uh, it's a lot of times safety. So the belief, like you, you find what that belief is, you tap and clear that. Once you clear enough of it where it doesn't hold together anymore, you feel so much more free to do you say the negative belief while you're tapping, or do you say the opposite?

Lisa:

yeah, you say the negative belief at first. It's a whole process, it's a whole ritual, like there's a protocol, things. You do what you do. You bring up the negative belief because you want to bring that to the surface, to clear it. And then you tap on it and you say like, even if I don't think it's safe to be intuitive, I deeply love and accept myself. That's the basic phrases, even though, whatever, I deeply love and accept myself.

Lisa:

And you go around all the points saying that, but you also you check in first and see how strong that is in you, how strong of a negative belief it is or how how strong the trauma is. And this is where I use, like I said, my body map and I feel what the other person's feeling and then you feel how it is after, if it's clear or not, because the energy feeling clear is it's like a light, it's like your channel is just light. It's a lightness, right, whereas you feel blocks as like, uh, some kind of stuck energy, some kind kind of ball, some kind of heaviness. So that's, that's how I use it.

Frank:

How many? How many tappies does it take to get rid of a self-limiting belief or a trauma?

Lisa:

Yeah, it's, it's. It's getting at it from enough places that that whole thing breaks up, like I said. So it doesn't take that long though, because when I first started doing this I was like, damn, I'm gonna, this is gonna take the rest of my life all this stuff I've accumulated at this point. But it didn't. It's it now.

Frank:

I can just do it like you know, period like maintenance, I just do maintenance tapping so when you're tapping on these locations though, like I use, because if you, if you know for someone like me, I'd be like oh, this is my fault, I haven't tapped enough until I'd have like a big red welt on my forehead, like how many, how much time do you spend in each spot?

Lisa:

Oh, just like seven or eight taps. Oh, wow, is enough on each spot. Yeah, you say the statement and by then you've tapped 10 times or something, right?

Lauren:

Even though, or something right even though, even if you know this.

Lisa:

I deeply love and accept it. You can look it up online. There's a guide online. You go here, you go here. Yeah, just like seven or eight taps on each spot is plenty to uh, to clear and then. But then you feel if you need to do another round of it or not sure this sounds like such an easy practice to integrate.

Frank:

Yeah, to your like yeah, it is, it's.

Lisa:

It's almost hard for the mind to believe that you can be free of something this fast, but it it really. You really can and you really can feel it. And then you notice like you change your energy. The world reacts to you differently, energetically. Sure so it changes things very quickly.

Frank:

When you have isolated like an actual thing you'd like to get rid of using tapping. Do you does that? Let's say belief? Does that belief? Do you have to come at that belief from various points in your body? Is that what you're saying?

Lisa:

No, no, no, you can do the same protocol, the same tapping protocol. There's, like you know, seven or eight spots that you tap on.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lisa:

So you just go through it and then, but coming at it from different angles, meaning, like the trauma that created that belief, what that belief actually is, sure Other beliefs that have supported it, other experiences that supported it, that validated you know, know what built the iceberg right right yeah that's so cool it's very cool. It's a very cool.

Frank:

Okay, I'm gonna try that I'd like to talk to you forever, but I'm not allowed to do that, um so, before we run out of time, please give, unless you have anything else, lauren I, I, I want.

Lauren:

I'm excited about everything that she already told me. I've gotten some great little tips from Lisa today.

Frank:

Lisa, tell everybody where they can find you. Tell them the stuff.

Lisa:

Yeah, I love Instagram. At Lisa Sarek. On Instagram, that's my name. Lisasarekcom is my website. Yeah, I'm around Perfect. On Instagram, just my name. Uh, lisa Sarekcom is my website. Um, yeah, I'm, I'm around Perfect. Put that in the notes.

Frank:

S A R A K Right no no. Oh, I wrote your name phonetically so I said it correct and everybody, of course, her name is spelled S A R I C K, obviously, um, obviously. Thank you so much for spending time with us today.

Lauren:

Yeah, thank you so much it was so nice to meet you and talk with you.

Lisa:

It was really nice to meet you. You guys are lovely.

Frank:

Oh, thank you All right. Well, we'll be in touch. I want to. We might have to do some followups after Lauren digs in.

Lisa:

Hey, I'm here for you anytime.

Frank:

All right, Lisa, we'll talk to you soon.

Lisa:

Thank you, Lisa.

Lauren:

Bye, bye.

Frank:

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