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059: Spiritual Integrity in Light & Shadow // with Kayla Shivji

• Clairvoyaging • Season 1 • Episode 59

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Psychic medium Kayla Shivji joins us to share her journey from a religious upbringing to becoming a mentor and channel for spiritual entities. We explore the concept of integrity levels within the spiritual realm. We unravel the importance of both light and dark energies in spiritual growth and how challenging our beliefs can lead to personal transformation. Gain practical insights into shadow work and meditation practices tailored for those who find traditional approaches difficult.

Spiritual communication gets a spotlight as we uncover effective, simple rituals that help establish clear connections with spirit guides. We reflect on the societal perceptions of spiritual symbols and how individuals can adapt these practices to suit their personal comfort. This episode is packed with practical advice on maintaining authentic spiritual connections, encouraging you to embrace your journey with confidence and curiosity.

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Lauren:

We're back, baby, what's?

Frank:

up.

Lauren:

In this episode we talked to Kayla Shivji, a psychic medium channel and mentor. We chatted about channeling integrity levels and how Archangel Michael is a real businessman. I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank:

And I'm Frank.

Lauren:

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition, and this is episode 59 of clairvoyaging way. Feather media presents clairvoyaging we're back back.

Frank:

Sorry, suckers, whoops, you know what's a?

Lauren:

giant of us. That easy we're back. Sorry, suckers, whoops you can't get rid of us that easy.

Frank:

We're back and worse than ever and ready to party. Those fires, the California fires, were a bit of a bummer and it kind of took us out for January A bit, a bit, a bit, but what an absolute nightmare for everyone involved and so depressing for the city of LA Dude.

Lauren:

But we were impacted just by wind Like big deal, but it was taking out our power. We said this and we're sorry.

Frank:

But boy, there's a lot of wind. It's like way more than usual. We've lived here for 13 years and it's been like just increasing and I don't know, I don't know what's going on Climate change?

Lauren:

they say I'm not sure. Yeah, For January Santa Ana winds are really just not a thing.

Frank:

Uncommon.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Anyway, here we are. We finally were able to get some.

Lauren:

Get some scheduled interviews. Yeah, thanks for sticking with us, yeah and I have a few updates. Frank hit it. We got a few new patrons that's very nice on the show and and kathy.

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That's so cheap.

Kayla:

I like it Also.

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Frank:

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Lauren:

I love it, thank you, thank you. So all of your support helps so much and we love doing this podcast. Yeah, and it helps do things like buy this neon light behind us. If you're watching this on Spotify or YouTube, you can see we have a new little light behind us.

Frank:

You'll also notice that I haven't figured out how to solve the rolling light issue. It's doing weird things right now, but we'll figure it out. It's okay, we're a work in progress.

Lauren:

We sure are. It's part of my neon journey. Oh, okay. Yeah that's that works. That's fine.

Frank:

Cool. It's kind of cyberpunk and I like that. You're getting really into the cyber I do like that, I do like the aesthetic.

Lauren:

Frank's getting back into his punk roots lately.

Frank:

I mean, how could you not during this phase of American history?

Lauren:

He has a story to tell, he has some rage to express. It's not good.

Frank:

Well, no, it is good, it's healthy.

Lauren:

It's healthy form of expression.

Frank:

Guys, and, as you'll find out, in this episode we do talk about how, you know, the light and the darkness work together. It is all part of one thing, and sometimes for something to flourish, it must crash first, and I'm in a period of my life where I'm ready to help things. Tower card.

Lauren:

Just doing your part, yeah. A little bit of healthy dissonance right To push patriarchy off the building.

Frank:

Give it the boot. Give it the boot. Speaking of boots, a lot of boot lickers out there right now, aren't there.

Lauren:

Oops, oh, hey, that's a timer for me to pay attention to my thoughts.

Frank:

Oh yeah, mine's about to go off.

Lauren:

We listened to it. That's very funny. We listened to it. Um, we pulled tarot today and it talks our friend Elliot Adam.

Frank:

Yeah, we were having a bit of a hard time. You know, january was rough and we were dealing with a little bit of depression. I pulled some cards today how do we call back our power to us? And we pulled the magician upright. Yeah, hello, I mean I've always wanted to pull that card for some reason, and that's the card of you know, your, your, your thoughts are powerful and you are in charge, and you have to make sure that you are putting out your order into the universe of what you want, your future, what do you want to manifest?

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

So, because we are having a bit of a you know little little, we need a little. Pick me up.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

We one of his suggestions, because we always go to Dr Elliot Adam for our interpretations, elliot Oracle. Elliot Oracle, and it was his suggestion was to, every two hours, while you're trying to get back into the mindset of positivity and like making sure you're asking the universe what you want, raising those vibrations every two hours, set a timer to make sure you put yourself into a positive mindset or pay attention to when that two hour timer goes off.

Lauren:

What are your thoughts focused on so?

Frank:

yeah, which I took to.

Lauren:

Currently they're training. They're great.

Frank:

Train your brain. Yeah, train your brain, guys.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

So that's what we're doing.

Lauren:

Just a fun little practice today With that.

Frank:

With that.

Lauren:

Let's get over to Kayla and our chat with her, because she's awesome and I feel like we learned some new stuff. Oh, I learned.

Frank:

We did.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

She has a very interesting system of integrity that she uses to determine which spirits to actually interface with. Which is super cool and very simple, and you might be surprised who which spirits are of a higher integrity level than you know commonly thought.

Lauren:

One might think yeah, yeah, Stick around for that.

Frank:

Some some shockers in there. Yeah, but yeah.

Lauren:

What else? So we enjoyed talking to Kayla and we hope you enjoy this episode.

Frank:

Yeah, hit it.

Lauren:

Kayla, thank you so much for joining us. On Claire Voyaging, we are thrilled to meet you and to hear your story, so would you mind giving us some backstory on how you got here and what you're up to now?

Kayla:

Thank you for having me. I would love to. So I have a very complex backstory. I was born in Oklahoma, but mostly raised in Virginia. I was a Navy brat raised in a very heavily religious upbringing, so I was part of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. I also went to that Christian school and so my entire life revolved around that.

Kayla:

And I believe it was around the age of 16, I started to go through a really heavy depression and just started to question all of these beliefs that had been force-fed to me and started to like explore well, what do other people believe? What is out there, what is kind of like the central being here in religion? Um, and through that I just began deconstructing, um and forming my own relationship with God or source, and in the beginning I had a lot of resistance to things like Jesus and Mother Mary. And, of course, when I began the heart and heaviness of my healing journey, every time I would go get a reading or talk to a counselor or anything like that, they would be like, oh, I feel Jesus here, and so it was just everything was pointing me back into these directions, um, and I resistance around that, but through just like exploring my own self, getting in connection with my higher self. I began to understand what, like through christ, consciousness is, um, and it just began to open up doorways.

Kayla:

So now, um, I am a psychic channel. I'm also a spiritual mentor, um, and those two just go hand in hand. Yeah, um, and I, I'm doing this part-time at my mentorship business. I'm doing this part-time at my mentorship business. I'm doing this part-time for now. I do have a day job. I also have three children and three cats channel like?

Lauren:

are you channeling spirits? Are you channeling aliens? For, like the galactic, we just had someone who channeled the galactic federation, so we learned a bit about that.

Kayla:

Um, I certainly I'm very loosely associated with the galactic federation, um, I wouldn't say that's my powerhouse, um, but I recently had a video on tiktok go mini viral, viral to me, um, where I just popped on like, hey, I was visited by these galactic beings. Here's their message I'll see you later, um. And that video blew up and I was not expecting it and I was like, okay, I mean, that's how I ran across you.

Frank:

I'm like, oh, this is very fun, because it came across like it was your, maybe one of your, I don't know like your first time is really having that cool of a channel or something like that. I don't know what the whole backstory was. What was the backstory to that?

Kayla:

Well, honestly, the night before I was laying in bed and, like you know, as you're drifting to sleep, your mind kind of opens up a little bit. And so they just kind of tapped in and they were like hello, we're here, we have a message. And I was like I am too tired, go away. Yeah, I told them I would make time to channel, and so that next day I sat down, um, and I was just gonna write it. I thought maybe this is just for me and I asked, I said, is this something that I should just record for the public? And they said, yeah, go for it.

Kayla:

Um, so I literally just set up my phone, tapped into the channel and for the most part, I generally will just like hear or receive the information and then relay it. So it's kind of like a third party they're saying this this is what's happening, uh, and through this particular channel, um, it was just such an energetic match and it was such a clear um connection that they ended up kind of coming in and speaking through me. So I took a back seat and the whole time I'm watching them. I'm like, don't say that, that's embarrassing really yeah, wait what was?

Lauren:

what did they say?

Kayla:

that was embarrassing uh well, they just started referring to me in like third person and they were like kayla's kind of going through this and she doesn't fully understand that this is what's happening, and I was like, oh my god oh my gosh, wow, did I not send that one?

Frank:

to you.

Kayla:

No, oh man, it's, it's a great video it's like five minutes, but it was complete new experience for me. The only time I've seen something similar, where they almost come through me, is when I was channeling Hecate.

Frank:

That's so funny. Oh my gosh, frank was just talking about Hecate. I am in the middle of learning more about deities and all that, because that's all new to me. So I'm in the middle of a of a book right now called. It's called Hakate, goddess of witches, by Courtney Weber, and it's basically like Hakate 101.

Lauren:

And.

Frank:

I'm like I'm all into it. I'm like telling her all about it and all my friends, but yeah, tell me more about about that experience for you.

Kayla:

I think initially, in honestly, my like spiritual awakening at least the major portion of it began as like a self-care journey. I was like I'm disconnected, I'm a stressed out mom and I need some help. So I dove into self-care and through that I got, um, just really intrigued by tarot reading and so that's where I began. And it probably wasn't. And that was around the time that my second child was turning. One was when I started tarot reading and really getting into like giving messages and by the time I had my third child, which when you're pregnant, you're very open. I mean you're bringing a soul through.

Kayla:

So my gifts were just incredible. And that's when I was like, wow, I'm hearing my higher self, other beings are coming forward, like this is such a crazy experience. So in the beginning it was really channeling my higher self and the angelic realm and through that kind of process and starting my first business up, um, I really connected with athena. She came in very heavily and she was really strongly like my guiding force through um, my business startup, for a good year and a half, um, and she she really helped me with a lot of like the inner child work which she's this warrior goddess, which she absolutely it. But she's incredibly nurturing, and so for me my connection to her was very much inner child um and then it just kind of skyrocketed from there.

Kayla:

By the time, um, I've never intentionally thought out galactic beings on purpose, but every once in a while they'll drop in and it's very much like a radio tuning. I remember one night oh it was during the pandemic, but I almost heard the radio tuning where it was like and then a metal drop in and I was like and then a metal dropped in and I was like whoa, this is wild, that's cool, yeah. And so now, just through the practice of it and getting super comfortable with being able to do this and then share that on the internet, the channels have just become more and more clear and more and more intense. So start.

Lauren:

When you were like 16, you said you were starting to like question all of this, all the, the religious, the organized religion stuff. What did you have that like?

Kayla:

when did you gain this knowledge of like I can channel, like angelic realms or spirits or hakate um hakate was very interesting for me because after I like fully connected, I was like, oh, she's been with me like this entire time, um.

Kayla:

But it was like maybe even six months ago, I was sitting in my backyard and I was googling hakate and I was can I like work with her without building an altar and this, that and the other? And she just came up and she said why don't you ask for yourself? And then we just worked in dialoguing, um, and it was powerful, um. And so after that I just started practicing and channeling with her and just showing up to our relationship. Um, yeah, that was crazy, um. But to answer your original question, um, these are gifts that I've had since a child, um, and, of course, through the just programming, I forgot about them. Right, right, right, right, yeah, repressed them, um, because now that I'm more aware, I look back at my childhood and I can see the angels that sing me to sleep each night, and then had these like little touches throughout my life, um, which is really crazy and awesome yeah, so nice so cool?

Lauren:

was there like a moment where that was like very clear or it was like a growing understanding?

Kayla:

it was definitely growing. Um, in the beginning. There's four main clairs and so in the beginning is very much just feeling, and when I would read cards for people or channel for people, I'd be like this is the sensation I'm getting, this is the emotion, this is what I'm associating with um, and then I got better at pinpointing, so I'd be like, oh, this is your sacral chakra and this is what's going on in there. And then I was like, oh, this is the base of your brain cord and at the time I didn't know, turns out that's your nervous system.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Kayla:

But it was really interesting. I got more and more precise and then now I will have flashes of vision where I'll hear the words. Usually they're as a thought, but in the beginning of awakening to this I'm really practicing this I was going into meditation at like 5 am every morning. I was very serious about it. But then one morning I woke up and I got into meditation and it was like three minutes in and I heard my name being called, like from a masculine voice, like physically, um. So I got up, looked around, everyone was asleep. Nobody said my name. I was like that was weird. Went back into meditation, heard it again, freaked out, looked all around us. Um point, I put on music or something because I was like this is creepy, yeah.

Frank:

So experience hasn't happened again, um, but I, I hear them as if it's a thought so let me ask you this you, I mean between, like, uh, your navy adjacent upbringing and, uh, the christian school. Those are some very intense guardrails on your belief system. And I, you said you went through like a a pretty bad depression. But I mean, how long did it take you that I'm here's? Here's what I'm really interested in the journey from uh I am a navy brat, slash like a deeply christian person to I work with hakate.

Frank:

There's a lot of journey in the middle there so much and and just also so you know, like our, our listenership probably hasn't, we haven't talked that much about deity work at all. And uh, listener, dear listeners, while we've been gone because of the fires, I've been doing a lot of reading on that stuff. So that's why I suddenly I'm like talking about it so openly. But so what I want to know and for someone who, like this, might be there let's assume someone is uncomfortable with that I want, I want you to use your journey as a way to make them more comfortable with it and show them, like, what your process was and getting into it.

Kayla:

Sure, um, well, well, I always recommend starting with your higher self, because it's you in spirit form, um. The way I always describe it is, um, if your soul is one giant energy, part of that goes into your body as your soul. That's how you're here, um, and then the rest of it stays outside in the astral realm, and that is your higher self and that gives you multiple vantage points, which is very beneficial and healing, um. So that's always my recommendation. And just know, like, anytime you're doing any kind of spiritual work or channeling or tarot reading or any of these divination tools, you're in charge, you set up the parameters, you set up your protections, and I talk a lot about my preferred parameters.

Kayla:

So I always call in the beings who are of the highest good, and then I use an integrity level, so you can think of it as like 1 to 10, but it goes beyond this, but it kind of gives you a starting point. So I currently am working within Integrity 9. When I first started, I was working within Integrity 7. And you can imagine those levels just bringing you closer and closer to truth, um, angelic realms are typically like an integrity 12 or higher, um, and if you ask a being hey, what's your integrity level? They will tell you um, or you'll be able to is that a system like you thought it like where?

Frank:

yeah, I've never, never heard that.

Kayla:

Um, I could explain it a little more I've not heard it from many other people, um, but that was from a coach that I was working with through my awakening journey. Um, that was just the system I was taught and it really resonated, um, because you know, we can say, those who have the highest truth, love and compassion, that works as well. That, to me, is just a little bit too open-ended. Sometimes I work with dark goddesses. They're of the highest light, yes, they are capable of light, but they're also capable of depth and darkness, um, and so these, even them, are of integrity levels, and that I don't know. It just resonated for me and so I stuck with it all this time that's really, really interesting to me.

Frank:

Yeah, that seems like such a nice logical system for, like you, to be able to determine what you're stepping into yes, like what would be an integrity, like three well.

Kayla:

So integrity three you would think of a being that is there for nefarious reasons. They can come from any realm, um, but they're to steal from you, essentially, um, tricksters. Yeah, tricksters are typically of an integrity five. Um, they're there just to play with you. They want to watch you run in circles. They think it's funny. It brings them amusement, um, and recently I had lucifer come in for a client, um, and because my integrity level is nine and that's my boundary, while I was in session and I said, do you work with any deities? And she said, yeah, these are the ones. And I was like, well, kakate is already here. And then I looked back and I was like, oh yeah, this is lucifer. He's asking to be let in. Um, so I welcomed him in and I checked. I was like you know why did he have to knock on my door and asked permission? He's integrity 8.5. He's very proud of the 0.5.

Frank:

Okay, so again for our listenership. That's going to freak some people out. Lucifer's a big one.

Kayla:

It is a big one. People are coming for Rube. I'm still working through some things there, but Sure. Yeah. So when he showed up, I was like, oh man, I'm going to go have to do my shadow work, I'm going to have to work on my beliefs. Like just the fact you presented to me, I was like, oh dang.

Kayla:

Right, but you know, we have so much fear associated there. But he actually works very closely with Archangel Michael, with Archangel Michael and when I was channeling with him for the sake of this client, I invited Archangel Michael in to be like my sounding board so that he could fact check or whatever, because I have a close relationship with Archangel Michael A 12-year-old. So that's well, you can implement your own boundaries, your own rules, your own checks and balances.

Frank:

Because this is, this is an interesting. I think this is a question I've had for a while too. Now, what's Lucifer doing at eight, point five, I know? So we've been with. I mean, I did a little, a little bit I don't know what episode it was. I did a little solo episode where I talked about the backstory of um Lilith and talking about how, like you know, uh, she's been literally demonized over the past, you know, as long as she's been around, yeah, yeah. And so now, as for what the Christian religion would have to say, being the top bad boy here, to hear that thieves and tricksters are five sub and Lucifer is 8.5, I mean, obviously, just like people, I would assume, deities are multidimensional. They're capable of many things. I'm assuming he was presenting to you at an 8.5 because of the reason he was there.

Kayla:

Their integrity level cannot change. If you're a visual receiver, like you, have clairvoyance, you can actually ask for a deity's true form. I love to do this with Jesus. He's very normal looking.

Frank:

He's got it, he's just like, like he wants to sit on your couch with you and like have some Cheetos right, Like he's just chilling All right, he's very chill. What is his integrity level?

Kayla:

Oh, I don't think I've ever asked.

Frank:

That's an interesting question 15. 15?

Lauren:

that's that's an interesting question. 15 15, 15. You just asked yes, can you say hi to him for me? What's up, jesus? Hey bud she's like hang on.

Frank:

It was like you were sending a text that's awesome he's a 15 okay oh no, he responds to his text faster than I do. Yeah, I have to. I'm what am I?

Lauren:

I must. I'm like it was like you were sending a text. That's awesome. He's a 15. Okay, oh no, he responds to his text faster than I do. Yeah, I have to. I'm like I'm a six. What would Jesus do?

Frank:

I'm a full mid right now. That's fine, that's really cool. Okay, so back to Lucifer.

Kayla:

Yeah, so you ask people to show their true form yes, yeah, um, because these beings that want to work with you, um, if they're presenting to you and you're not seeking them out it could be vice versa, but usually they come to me, um, they present you in a form that makes sense to you, something that you can resonate. So, like Athena would come to me in a very nurturing, mothering energy, because that's what she wanted to work with me on, right, um, and at the time I was like I didn't see clear like bodies and bases. She was just a giant pink energy, and that's how I knew that's Athena. Wow, so, yeah, and so, through, like clarifying my gifts, I began to play with that. Like, oh, show me your true form, I want to see, like, what you really look like. With that. Like, oh, show me your true form, I want to see, like, what you really look like. Um, and I think gaia and jesus were the ones that I found most intriguing because of how the world portrays them so often man wait.

Frank:

Hold on what's what's gaia like yeah gaia is like Earth right.

Lauren:

She is.

Frank:

Earth Okay.

Kayla:

Yes, yeah, mother Earth. Well, she's striking, she's dark skinned and she has just a gorgeous, gorgeous, huge afro, and then she had almost like golden leaves strung throughout it, and of course, she can change her appearance. So that may not be what she looks like every time she presents, um, and then, if she was in this gorgeous gown, um, but we typically see her very much more in, like the irish tradition, with white skin, red hair. Sure, yeah, that's what I saw in meditation was red hair, white skin. I said I'd like to see your true form and she was huge, big in energy, but it would have been like a 12-foot being.

Lauren:

Wow, if it wasn't. Wow. That's so cool, oh my gosh. And what did Jesus look like?

Kayla:

Your average Middle Eastern man. He did have a beard. He was kind of thin and he just had straight brown hair pulled back into a ponytail.

Frank:

Cool.

Lauren:

That was it, I feel like I'd be, like I have so many questions More like corrections. Or like can you say what happened? Happened what?

Frank:

I don't, I'd be like tell me about I don't know, and maybe that's just uh-oh, that just sent, that just sent lauren, it really yeah, that just I would have.

Lauren:

So I'd, yeah, I'd want like a history, but I guess it doesn't work that way.

Kayla:

No, and a lot of times. I'll do it like flips.

Kayla:

information and an energetic download can be so dense that a three second clip of energy will have me dissecting and trying to understand it further for years yeah really so, yeah, there's a lot of experiences that I've had that I look back on and I'm like, oh, there's something I didn't see the first time that I looked at that, um, and so I get more information. Um, but to take us back to earlier, you had asked kind of like, how is lucifer at an 8.5? Um, he actually is a very structured being. Um, I always relate arcana michael to being kind of corporate, where um he kind of straight laced, he often presents in a suit. He really loves like. He's not very talkative but he loves like this is my official job, here's my form. Uh, signature. Good to go. Um, that's how I see archangel michael a lot of time that's really interesting, lucifer has a similar energy.

Kayla:

Yeah, he still has that bad boy rebellious streak, um, but he's. He has official business, um, and so to be successful in that, you have to have integrity, especially when you're dealing with spiritual realms and spiritual beings. You can't you cannot communicate with both light and dark and have a nefarious agenda, um. So even though he does, he is a dark god, um. He he's very serious about his work, um, and a lot of times he's here to help you question your beliefs. He's here to help you be a little bit more selfish, especially people pleasers and beings that were taught to like sacrifice themselves.

Frank:

Um, so he just has a different approach to the work yeah, I, I went to catholic school for uh, 10 years starting the podcast and stuff has been a lot of learning or unlearning, belief systems and the thing I've been on right now, obviously, I'm reading a book about hakate and everything she's she has been good for and it helps you with um, I've been really into the concept of like, not the, it's not even a concept, it's just the truth of how you need the dark and light. They both play a role. You know, sometimes, like you said, they play a role at their proper times and if it's not the right time, something can come off as nefarious, even though it may not necessarily be that all the time. So someone like you lauren's a people pleaser. So someone like lauren, me, you, someone like lauren could maybe use a little bit of of hakate or lucifer or or someone who, like, might actually help you be a little more selfish at the right times. You know what I mean.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Because it's important to do that. You can't be all one thing all the time, because any one thing in any direction can become toxic.

Lauren:

I need to talk to Hecate.

Frank:

I often go into these mini monologues, especially talking to Lauren about, like I think here's what we need, but it's never coming from a place of like knowledge. I'm just reading and reiterating the lessons that we've learned. So when I hear you talk about it a little bit more, I'm like yes, yeah, see, I just keep collecting data until I get to a point where I'm more connected and can get downloads myself, so which I'm hoping occurs eventually- you have to do the 5am meditations.

Lauren:

Yeah that's right yeah.

Kayla:

I don't do that I'm very lazy with it now. Really. They're like please sit down and meditate. I'm like I don't know.

Lauren:

I'm having such a hard time like making that time again. I was like very dedicated for a little while and I'm like I gotta get back into the practice um.

Kayla:

My recommendation for anyone that, like struggles with meditation, um, is to do a meditative activity so that could be walking, doing your dishes, coloring anything. That kind of distracts your ego so that you can focus on the energetic. Something repetitive is great. I found washing dishes is really good for it. I hate to dishes, but when I get in the zone, yeah, magic, you gamified it, you gamified the dishes. Good for it. I hate chew dishes, but when I get in the zone.

Frank:

Yeah, magic, yeah, you gamified it, you gamified the dishes. Good for you. I want to go back a little bit again.

Lauren:

Let me see here Did you create an integrity system over there?

Frank:

Huh, oh yeah, I took notes.

Lauren:

What do you? Yeah, you're waiting to fill in all the other numbers.

Frank:

Oh no, I'm not going to ask about all the other numbers.

Lauren:

No, no, I just for your own knowledge, just so I can refer back. Angels equal 12.

Frank:

Taylor's at nine. What made you choose nine?

Kayla:

I've slowly grown there, so I started at seven and that was just what felt resonant to me as like a human who wanted to do good. Um, and I made the mistake of asking my guides to help me raise my integrity level. Oh um why was that, and they gave me opportunities to mess up and tell the truth, because what better way to increase your integrity level than, hey, I have to talk to you about this? This is really awkward. Be honest, you got to show up.

Kayla:

You got to be an integrity interesting and so I stopped asking for that like I'm not going any any further then most of it has just, it's been a very slow process. This has been over the course of years, um, but I, through the course of just shadow work and integrating more of myself and loving more of myself, um, and really understanding, like, what values I hold important and then operating from those values, um, that I asked to be raised to an eight um, and gosh, maybe, maybe a couple months ago not too terribly long, maybe a year, who knows um, my guide came to me and they were just like, hey, you can raise your integrity level, like you can stay saying eight if you want to, but energetically you've up leveled. And I was like, oh, thanks, thanks for that notification you've been promoted you've been promoted.

Frank:

That's so this, this, this integrity system is so interesting to me yeah, and that happens with spirits or guides as well.

Lauren:

They can expand and grow and up level also what was the best way for you to do shadow work? Was there like did you work with someone? Did you work with, like a journal? How'd you do that? A?

Kayla:

lot of journaling. Um, fairly early in my journey I took um kundas. I can't remember what the course was called, but it was a group course where we would meet over zoom once a week and they provided like journal prompts each week for us to go through. And that was a really cool experience because I got to like experience and work with my shadow through the journal prompts and then we would come together and we would all share about our shadows and so we got to witness each other's shadows and after those it was so raw and I felt so vulnerable and it would be the smallest things, but just allowing your shadow to be seen was a very powerful practice. So that's how it began. Now it's kind of just a natural like relationship really, where I'll notice hey, I'm feeling a little bit funky. Where is this coming from? Oh, that's my shadow. She needs some attention. She needs to listen to angry music or whatever it is I haven't done.

Lauren:

I haven't done a lot of like actual shadow work. I've done inner child stuff, but the shadow work I'm like it's probably time.

Kayla:

Inner child and shadow work is very similar. Of course, you're going to approach them a little bit differently, because your inner child needs lots of reassurance and love. Your shadow also means that. But if you come at it with like the same, like little kid reassurance, your shadow is going to get offended. Um, but those two they really go hand in hand. Um, so the shadow is all of the parts of you that you don't want to see. So a lot of the times, those are the things that you're resistant to like. Well, I'm not, I'm not an inconsiderate person. Well, maybe, sometimes I am. Actually, yeah, sometimes I'm selfish. Um, and so the the purpose of shadow work is to be able to see those parts, love those parts and then own them. Because what happens is when we deny our shadow, push them away, they operate in the background. Whether we got them to, they're menacing what they desire. We're just not conscious of it. So that's why we're self-sabotaging, that's why we're putting up roadblocks, that's why we're running away from love, right?

Kayla:

So when we accept it when we bring that love in. So, when we accept it, when we bring that love in, when we say, hey, actually I totally see why you want to sabotage every relationship that makes sense. Let me bring some love here, let me sit with this, let me bring in compassion. Um, then you build that relationship and it's like, okay, well, now that you see your shadow, it doesn't have to hide. Now it can come to you and say, hey, I'm feeling really vulnerable in this relationship, I'm uncomfortable, and you can share that. Or you can take a step back, or you can put up your boundaries. You can work with it okay we have done shadow work.

Lauren:

Yeah, not probably just in thinking like in that, not probably just in thinking like in that sense. In the last year it's been uncovering some of these things. I feel like, where does this?

Frank:

come from. It's funny because, like for me personally, a lot of the work, so I've done some like inner child, which is very helpful In fact, like you know, life changing in fact, but then for shadow work, like I've talked. Like you know, life changing in fact, but then for shadow work, like I've talked like, uh, you know I'm always I was uh informed to be less self deprecating. That was like, and you know, I, I like to make jokes and stuff like that. So I, I tended to manage my own darker self by like making fun of me. But you know, at some points on the wrong days, on the wrong days, I take it a little too seriously and there's a background of self-loathing because those are the parts of me I don't like, um, but they're not always constant, right? So I was talking to you about like integrating these things and not being so shameful of them and like, yeah, um, I can't think of a good example, or at least one that I want to say out loud right now, but like, yeah, it's, it is like interesting that to be a whole person, you have to acknowledge and accept those elements too. Oh, a fun one actually.

Frank:

We had a psychic therapist who on the show we've we've referred to as dr claire and he did a little uh, past life work with me one time and he said one of my past lives I was like pretty much a terrible person and like a deep narcissist. That was just one of them. But he says if you ever have like I don't't want to say narcissistic tendencies because I'm not a narcissist, but maybe on occasion, on occasion I will. It's funny, I have a podcast Talk about myself. You know too much and I'm, but I'm also hyper aware of when I'm doing that and I'm like, oh no, I'm, I'm a narcissist or something. And it's like no man, like you have to to harness that, know when to use it, and then let it go and like make room, leave room for other people. Yeah, if you spend all your time pushing it away, you're in a constant battle of like hating yourself or not, and it's it's hard to do anything.

Kayla:

Yeah, it's hard to do. Instead of manipulating other people to give you the attention you want, you have a healthy outlet of a podcast right, exactly so manipulate our listeners.

Lauren:

Yeah, this is giving you attention.

Frank:

You don't understand, guys episode 100 I'm you're all in my cult.

Lauren:

This is it it's all working up to that yeah yeah, that makes sense for like doing more of that and then being able to I don't know be more open, more authentic and more connected about, like authenticity, a lot of who we think we are, a lot of our personality, especially in, like, our high school years.

Kayla:

That's all ego, that's 100% ego. Oh, and so when we bring in some of those shadow elements and start to own them and recognize them, it's like, oh, actually I'm much more complex. Yeah, some days love to go and hang out and some days don't call me, I'm not answering. Yes.

Frank:

I feel that oh, my God yeah.

Lauren:

So now you're doing your. You said, this is like a part-time business.

Kayla:

I offer readings, so you can just choose a Tara reading and I can send you a little video um similar to the readings you'd find on tiktok, but personalized um. Or we can sit down and have like an hour-long channeling session where we'll dialogue, we'll go into some of these, these childhood wounds, and where they're from and how to heal them, and we can just do that, as you're called, one-offs. Or we can do I've set it up for like a monthly package where you get like four-hour sessions and that's my mentorship and that's something where we can dig into some deeper healing instead of saying, oh, here's the wound, here's how to fix it, here's your homework, goodbye, it's. I'm going to follow up, I'm going to offer you guidance. If you really need me, you can email me, kind of.

Lauren:

That's cool. When you do a channeling session for a client, who are you channeling?

Kayla:

their spirit team and I set up the same parameters, and a lot of times it is their primary guides. I've had ancestors come through, um, one very cool session. Um, her ancestors like told her, hey, you need to come to her, and apparently she didn't trust very many readers, which is fair. Um, so we got into the session and before well, actually before we even got into the session her guides woke me up by knocking on my crown chakra. Um, I tried to ignore them and I couldn't, and they were like I'm not, you know. I was like okay, okay, um, so they like wrote me a letter. They were like before you get into the session, you need to know what's going on and why.

Kayla:

We sent her to you and she, she didn't have firm boundaries and she was listening to trickster spirits. Um, so when we session she, she was like why is it? When I channel with my guides, they'll get kind of angry with me or not necessarily angry, but they'll get a little bit aggressive and they'll be like oh, I want, I want the red pen. And there was too many of them. You know, it's hard to hear the message when there's 16 different beings sitting there yelling at you, and so I had to tell her these are your spirit team, and then these other ones are tricksters. You need to kick them out.

Kayla:

And so we got to that and my advice for her was to write her own little contract. So, while I stayed at, every time I'd tune in and those are just like my energetic boundaries that I'd built up because she had been working with these tricksters for a significant amount of time I was like you need to create your own contract, write it down. This is my integrity level, this is who I'm willing to work with, these are the messages I'm willing to receive and then sign your name.

Frank:

I really like that you brought such a like spiritual thing down to a piece of paper for to make a contract. That's like can you, can you talk to us a little bit about like I mean, because that's that's kind of like a, you can consider that like a ritual right, Like making something kind of a physical representation of like a spiritual request yeah, absolutely.

Kayla:

Um, I love very simple things. To be completely honest, if it's overly complex, I'm just not going to do it for sure, if I need my, I'm gonna jump in the shower, I'm gonna put on healing frequency.

Kayla:

Yes, I do like smoke cleansing, I do the meditations and source energy and all of those things. But there are certain times when your ego is just too loud. It has to be simple, um, and so I love candle spells. I love writing it on a piece of paper and flushing it down the toilet. Um, really, yeah, and that's fun for my inner child too, because I mean my inner child love to make mud potions. Yeah, oh yeah. You tell her like, hey, you can flush this thing down the toilet.

Lauren:

She's like, oh yes, that's awesome yeah, that's great, I can get behind a good toilet flushing of some some some garbage notes.

Frank:

You've done some. You've done some, some burning of things yeah uh, what'd you do?

Lauren:

I wrote down all the things limit, self-limiting beliefs that I wanted to get rid of and then I set it on fire, right, I mean it was pretty. That was like pretty powerful, pretty helpful. I like writing it all down in one thing where I'm like, oh wow, I have a lot of these and I kept going right, same thing with me, like I don't, like, maybe because I'm tired of it from.

Frank:

From being catholic for so long, I saw all the all the like, very like, drawn out, dragged out ritualism twice a week for hours, right, and uh, I don't care to do that kind of stuff anymore. But this brings up the question you, you earlier, when you're talking about working with a Kata you were. One of your questions was do you need an altar, which is all that ritualistic stuff that like they do in church too? What did she say about that?

Kayla:

She said no, just the relationship.

Frank:

That's nice.

Kayla:

She said I love those, they're very nice. If you want to, I'll accept that. Um, they're very nice. If you want to, I'll accept that, but it was just communicate with me. When I tell you to send out a message, tell the people and.

Frank:

I was like okay, so much of like the things you read about working with with deities and stuff revolves a lot around you know, offerings and stuff and rituals and all that and it's like I'm not. Like I'm not quite a witch here, so it's like not, that's kind of out of my comfort zone.

Kayla:

I'm more of a heady guy so it doesn't resonate for me either. It's not. I've never kept an altar of any kind, um, I'll do an occasional, very simple spell, like flushing you down the toilet or lighting a candle um I've done recently, through working with hakate. She's instructed me to do uh, two or three like more set up rituals, um. One was cord cutting, one was transmutation, um, and then one was protection, and they still took like 30 minutes. You know, I did the salt, I put the herbs, I said the words.

Frank:

Yeah.

Kayla:

And lit the candle. So it's still very simple, and the only reason I did the like, more drawn out ritual, was because of Fakate's influence.

Frank:

How much of that ritualism is, like necessary? Because I think some of that makes me, yeah, some of that makes me, hold back from even like, even like mentally trying to communicate with that, like that force, that that spirit or that, um yeah, like as a for like guidance, sometimes even right yeah especially in this time where, like you know, there's a lot going on in the country and it seems like a good time for just a little bit of some dark energy, just to like help tear things down before they get out of control.

Frank:

And yeah, like, but also I don't want to like have to. You know, if my parents come over and they see a, they see an altar they're gonna freak out, dude, like, even though they've opened their minds, yeah, yeah, even if they, even though they've opened their minds to this stuff a lot, which has been absolutely incredible like they're not ready to see that.

Lauren:

So which is funny because the like you, you can have an altar as a religious person. It's just not the same but you can use this up on your doorway or wherever.

Kayla:

You can have a Christian altar, but not a pagan one. That's too much.

Frank:

Yeah, which I mean. Let's be honest, most of the stuff that would be on a Christian altar was originally pagan. Anyway, they stole it.

Kayla:

Definitely.

Kayla:

Yeah, would be on a christian altar was originally pagan anyway, they stole it. So definitely, yeah, that isn't always like that rule of there isn't the need for the ritual in the altar. That isn't true for all deities and all practitioners. It's very relationship based, so I always advise people to just ask um, that is true for most of the deities that I've encountered, where they're like just talk to me, I'm here, I want to help, I love you, just show up. But there are others that, whether the practitioner maybe has their own energetic boundaries or ego hurdles that they need to go through and the rituals necessary for them to bypass this, or the deity has very specific respect rituals that they prefer. I have not come across that, but it does exist.

Frank:

Let me ask you this real quick have you, aside from Lucifer, were there any other big surprises that you weren't expecting in terms of like integrity levels, and who showed up?

Kayla:

I think the other one, that just the other being that took me really off guard was lily. Um, because I'm so familiar with hakate, which she shows up in a pretty nurturing energy for me that is me also, so it makes sense that she approaches with that similarity, um. But I was like, oh, I'm used to this dark goddess thing, um. And so when lila stepped in, I kind of expected her to like yes, be big, yes, be dark, but to have a little bit of gentleness. And she showed up huge um. And the very first time I channeled with her she actually I've never channeled a curse before, never, ever, ever, um, I don't think I've ever cast a curse, at least not in this lifetime, um. And so the first time she with her um, she had me channel a curse and I just wrote it down. I didn't cast it.

Kayla:

I was like why are you giving this to me? Um, but it was incredibly powerful, um, and I made sure to ask. I was like is this something you want me to share with, like the general public? Because it feels a little bit dangerous to just unleash on the world, um, and she just said not. Yet I was like okay, I'll take that. And then I was like, is this something that is in the highest good? Like I work mostly in light, um, I have very strong integrity and boundaries. Um, and she said, yes, this does serve the highest good. Um, I left it at that, I have, I left it in the notebook and I was like this is interesting. I've never had this experience, but that is my main experience with Lillet. She is very high integrity but she is serious about the work she has to do.

Lauren:

Does she give you a reason why.

Kayla:

Well, it was a curse curse. It was a curse for men oh my gosh sorry.

Lauren:

Yeah, she's like not yet.

Kayla:

I'll tell you when I was like oh, man, like that's a little dramatic here, yeah, so I'm kind of, you know, I'll think about it every once in a while, and I've got the sense that the term men is actually in replacement of patriarchy. Sure, so it's not necessarily every single man, but it is the toxic version of the structures they built what are you talking about?

Frank:

what?

Lauren:

what?

Frank:

oh my gosh, that's so fascinating when are you going to unleash that puppy?

Kayla:

I don't know, I might not ever awaiting further instructions.

Lauren:

I am, yeah, yeah, I'm staying back.

Kayla:

Very interesting. Hekate walked me through something that he's called the Night Goddess Path. I've talked about it a little bit and it's not something that I've alone walked through. There's other people who have, there's other people who have phase was. I spent about two weeks channeling every night with a different dark goddess that Chokate presented me with, and so that was one of that. Theories, my infusion. That was one of those channelings, and I have been instructed to start sharing those on YouTube one by one. So I don't know if that will ever be included in, just like the general public. That may be behind a paywall or something, but yeah, oh, please do like a YouTube series.

Frank:

That's awesome.

Lauren:

Living in Oklahoma. Just side question Is there how? How is that Like? How is that? Is it challenging with your belief system versus? I mean I know Oklahoma can be a little more religious Red state they are.

Kayla:

Well, I found, you know, because I have a religious upbringing, a lot of my family is still very religious upbringing. Um, a lot of my family is still very religious, a lot of my co-workers and things were also religious. But I found we would, they'd spark a conversation and I would come in and we would be talking about very similar things, just different terms. Um, and so I found is to like spiritually encourage religious people without necessarily challenging their beliefs, just supporting yeah.

Kayla:

Oh God, God loves you, God sees you, you know whatever it is. So you just replace source with body, replace energy with prayer and all of these different things. But it is. It is a little bit challenging. I've found a really cool spiritual community. There is a lot of little mom and pop shops, so I've done local readings, I've gone to different circles and things like that. It's present but it's just not mainstream.

Frank:

It's still a very red it had to be a little difficult to find that community yeah, oh yeah, I definitely, I sought for it okay, yeah, go for it.

Lauren:

Where can everyone find you if they want readings or mentorship from you?

Kayla:

give us all your plugs so the best place to find me right now is on youtube. My handle is wayfinderwavemaker, or you can search me by name kayla shivji s-h-i-v-j-i. I should come up. Um, I am also on tiktok same handle. Um, I just created a sub stack and a blue sky same handle. I'm experimenting with social medias right now. Um, those are all of them. My main one will always be youtube, um, or at least moving forward, and then you can find I don't have an official website, but I have a milkshake, so let me give you that. Um, it's a little like tiny website. Instant leaf tree. Yeah, okay, um, so it's mshake slash wave maker.

Lauren:

Okay, I will link everything. We'll link it all in the show notes.

Frank:

Kayla, thanks so much for talking to us. This is so much fun, yeah, and thank you for everything you're doing.

Kayla:

I had a blast, thank you.

Lauren:

We did too.

Kayla:

Yeah, we'll talk to you soon Bye, bye, kayla.

Frank:

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