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064: Human-Pet Psychic Connection // with Sage Lewis

• Wayfeather • Season 1 • Episode 64

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We had an amazing conversation with Sage Lewis, a gifted intuitive who connects with both humans and animals in profound ways. Sage shares her remarkable journey, illuminated by personal experiences that ignited her spiritual path and led her to embrace her intuitive abilities. In this episode, we explore the intricate dynamics of communication between pets and their humans, including how animals convey their fears, anxieties, and even messages from beyond. With warmth and insight, Sage discusses her shamanic practices, offering listeners a window into the spiritual realms where she helps transition both animals and people in hospice care. Listeners will discover practical ways to enhance their connections with their pets, learn how to better understand their needs, and foster deeper empathy in their relationships. As we peel back the layers of intuition and animal communication, the episode proves to be a blend of humor, emotion, and valuable lessons that remind us just how interconnected we are with the animal kingdom. 

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Lauren:

Welcome Voyagers. In this episode we talked to Sage Lewis, an intuitive for people and pets. We talked about her realization that she can communicate with animals. A powerful shamanic journey, psychic whales and more. I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank:

And I'm Frank.

Lauren:

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition, and this is episode 64 of Claire Voyaging Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging what's up.

Frank:

Hey, how's it going, guys? We'll never be good at this.

Lauren:

Oh no, there's no way around it.

Frank:

No, no, we know how to say hi really loud we do. And then just shout past that. It's just uh, it's awkward silence. Imagine how our first date went.

Lauren:

That's so not true, because we were friends already we were yeah well, I guess who's gonna pay the bill we um.

Frank:

We both know how bad off we each are financially, and so I mean, I guess we should.

Lauren:

I guess this is it.

Frank:

I guess we should have gone someplace else okay, I hope everyone's doing great.

Lauren:

I want to tell you a little update okay, yeah, great yeah diane bought us a coffee. Diane Diane, Hold on where's my button. Thank you, Yay Diane.

Frank:

Are you serious? That's so nice.

Lauren:

And I want to say I really liked this message that Diane included, which is we are all the treetops energetically connected.

Frank:

Wow. That's so cool, that is nice. What a nice visual. I know I like that a lot.

Lauren:

Yeah, thank you, diane. Cool, that is nice, but what a nice visual. I know I like that a lot. Yeah, thank you, diane. Thank you, diane. That's, that's my update. Cool, yeah, and let's get to sage's episode. Um she, I want to tell a funny story that she found us on spotify and when she first reached out she said our ad came up on shaggy radio, which was hilarious shaggy we had had a Spotify ad running for a little while and she's like it came up on Shaggy Radio.

Lauren:

I'm like fantastic, I didn't know that that was our demographic, but great. And then she realized that it was actually Amazing Grace Radio and I'm like that makes more sense, but-.

Frank:

You know, if you think about it, though, we are very bombastic.

Lauren:

They call me Mr lover. I like to believe that our ad was running on shaggy radio, so I'm gonna just kind of stick with that also. Uh, I want to mention that sage has sent us some of her chocolate. She makes chocolate sage makes chocolate it's like ceremonial chocolate, it's delicious.

Frank:

It's made with love. It's so good yeah.

Lauren:

If you like dark chocolate or ceremonial sipping cacao, go to her website which is tie-dye-dragonfly-cacaocom, we'll also link it and buy some.

Frank:

Yes, yeah, it's worth it.

Lauren:

One more thing If you listen to this podcast and you don't watch the video on this episode, you might be a bit confused during the time when Sage does a quick reading for our dog, Theodore, because we were laughing really hard and we put headphones on Theodore's head and it was really funny.

Frank:

He's a one foot tall dog and he, for just a few moments, was one of our co-hosts.

Lauren:

And he was so serious about it we just couldn't stop laughing. But I don't think we said it while we were doing it.

Frank:

We didn't say what was happening.

Lauren:

I wanted to preface this.

Frank:

You'll hear some ruffling around and then a very quiet and confused dog at a microphone, wearing headphones.

Lauren:

So I just wanted to give that little preface, in case you're like what the hell is going on during that little moment, and with that, please enjoy our episode with Sage Lewis. Let it rip, sage. Thank you so much for joining us today. Can you give us some backstory on your journey to mediumship? You communicate with humans and animals who have crossed, so how'd you get here?

Sage:

Yeah, I think it's so funny. I don't think I don't think in 25 years anybody's ever asked that question Like how did you get here? So I love that, um, and what I'm realizing is it was the death of my grandmother first. Okay, um boy, I was in the late nineties my, I'm guessing me, I don't know Um, but it was whenever my grandma died. Uh, she came to me, and when I say she came to me, I was in that kind of liminal space between sleeping and waking and she put her hand on my chest and I felt my grandmother's hand on my chest after she passed away and it of course freaked me out. But then I also had this kind of like grandma, like what do you, what do you want to, what do you want to say? And I saw an image of her stitching something onto a, an apron, and that's all I remembered about my connection with my grandmother after she passed away. And you know, I kind of tucked that away and a couple of years later I was in a pretty bad car accident, had a near death out of body experience.

Sage:

That was in 2000. And was in a place in my life where there were some changes that I knew were going to be taking place. But that near death out of bodyof-body experience during the car accident really pushed me to a place of deepening my spiritual practices. And I mean it was pretty trippy to see myself outside of the car, outside of my body, at a time in my life when I didn't have the skills to truly understand what was happening. But I was looking back at myself from outside of the car and I was like, wow, did I just die? Like I had this Rolodex. I guess I'm diving deep. At the beginning I had this kind of Rolodex. If you're old enough to know what a Rolodex is, it was that you know, life review is like boom in the moment of impact. I had this of impact. I had this like here's my whole life in one flip of a Rolodex and that really shifted my level of consciousness into recognizing what else was available, what else was out there, and I realized I'd been given another chance.

Sage:

Wow, it was two years after that my father passed away and he passed away suddenly, and the night that he died I got a phone call and it was the your dad's gone phone call and it was either later that night or it was, you know, early. We into the morning hours or it was the next day. I went to bed same thing. I went to bed and boom, here's my dad standing at the foot of my bed. And same thing. It was like whoa, okay, take a breath and figure out what's really going on here. And it's like, okay, so my grandmother showed up. I had this car accident. Here's my dad at the foot of the bed and somewhere in there I started also learning about shamanic practices, shamanism and plant medicine and plant spirit medicine.

Sage:

And so I started studying shamanic practices, shamanic journeying and going into that place, using the drum to help me move my brain from the classic whether it's beta, that high-thinking brain into the alpha theta, so learning how to push my brain into that place through the shamanic journey or meditation. And I started to access these other places in between the worlds and it was like wow, this is really incredible. And this was around, you know, I guess the 90s into the early 2000s and around that same time I was also starting to work with animals and as part of my training, I was out at an animal shelter in Wisconsin and I was finishing up my time working with a dog and I was the only one left in the Humane Society and I was walking out and I heard this voice say help. I looked around and there was nobody there except a beagle, and I'm like, okay, I have officially lost my mind.

Sage:

So I walked out to the car. It's like what else am I going to do besides call my sister? You can only call a family member when you think you're hearing voices, right, yeah? So I called my sister and I said I think I've lost my mind. I'm hearing voices, and we started talking about it. She said now you're fine, she's older and and she's had some psychic experiences as well. She said no, no, no, you haven't lost your mind, you're. You're just really open. You need to learn how to turn it on and turn it off. So I turned it off because I thought, well, this is too scary. Yeah, got my grandmother and my father showing up, I've got seeing people in my journeys and things are coming through.

Sage:

So I turned it off for a little while and it wasn't long before I started hearing more things.

Sage:

And when I say hearing more things, my dog started to talk to me.

Sage:

So another time I was just, I was coming out of a nap and I heard my dog say her name was Java, and I heard Java say I'm scared and I thought, okay, what do I do with that? I suppose I could ask her. So I did. I asked her what she was afraid of and then I started hearing messages back and then I started working with this ability that we all innately have and started to really work with this ability of going into that theta state where we can access that radio station that everybody's communicating on all the time. So that was the beginning, and from there then I started to have people call me and ask if I could do journeys for them, if I could work with their animals, if I could journey on behalf of their dead Aunt, nancy or whomever. And this was through the shamanic journeying process. And from there then it became it's what I've been doing for the last 25 years as a part of my business. So we have great dinner conversations at our house.

Lauren:

I'm sure you do. I'm coming over. Yeah, Between you, and so do you have a different dog now, the way you spoke about it, I do yeah.

Sage:

Reggae is our. Our dog Java passed away and uh. I was able to support her through end of life and she had a natural death, died in my arms in 2013,. And uh had an incredible experience through her aging and end of life and her transition and she still comes to me. And our current dog is Reggae and he'll be 10 next month and he's very much a communicator. He communicates in a different way than Java did, but Reggae is the only one who has the complete, 100% ability to connect to me whenever he feels like it. Like I don't keep the radio station open all the time, otherwise I'd be talking to lots of beings yeah so he's he always passed the blockade.

Frank:

He did.

Lauren:

He has an open dialogue with you. Backstage pass, backstage pass that's funny oh my gosh, what. What a cool story.

Frank:

Thank you for sharing asking the question yeah when you were younger, was there any inclination that you had these types of abilities?

Sage:

my? Um, I don't know for sure. What I can tell you is when I was about four. I mean, I can remember memories as far back as two, but when I was about four I remember lying on the grass and from this area, from Madison, wisconsin area, I remember lying in the grass in the summertime and looking up at the stars and just feeling like that's where I was from, wow, Like having this connection with the stars. That now, as a, as a 57 year old, it's like, wow, that was really profound for a four year old to feel like there's home. Home is in the stars.

Sage:

And I remember being a little fascinated by the stars and thinking, like the, that there was this astrodome over the planet, there was this black thing, and then there were all these points of light that were coming through that's. So I think on some level at age four, I had had some ability to imagine and travel. Um, when I was really little I don't remember anything, you know from then on, but I do remember my mom going to see a psychic when my sister and I were five and seven and the psychic didn't meet us. But she said you have two psychic daughters and she only has two daughters, so that would be my sister and I.

Lauren:

Yeah, have you since had any kind of regression or reading that would indicate that you're like a starseed or something like that? I have.

Sage:

I've actually had in my own journeying. I did a five day workshop with one of my teachers who's since crossed over, hank Wesselman, and when I was about 17 years ago we did a journey. I was at a retreat for five days and one of the journeys we did was to journey to a star and find out what you could about that star and if you had any relations to that star and I'm happy to share that story with you if it's something that would that's interesting, that would work.

Sage:

It was a life changing moment for me because I, up until that time, I always felt like I was really sensitive. I was told I was overly sensitive. I've been told that my light shines too bright. Turn it down a little bit. I'm like I can't Look at my shirt. I got this lightning bug on my shirt. I can't turn it down. So I do this journey to the star. And now, if we back up to being this four-year-old ever since I was little I have known where Sirius is. I know where Orion is, I know where Sirius is. It's like, if you tell me where Sirius is, I'm going to point. It's right there.

Frank:

Like intuitively, or did you?

Sage:

I just know in my bones. Wow, and then I also, like my head just goes there. It's like that's home.

Frank:

Wow.

Sage:

Ever since I was little, and there's just this feeling or this sense or knowing, and I didn't know anything about star seeds. So then I go and I do this journey, journey to a star. The first thing I see is this blue and green kind of ball of gas moving, and I see myself on the back of a whale, and I see a whale, and I see a dolphin, and I see, I hear the words you're the granddaughter of this star. And then I see Sirius, and then I, and then I hear the word Scion.

Frank:

Scion.

Sage:

Yeah, so I. So that was it. I come out of the journey Everybody in the group's sharing. There's like 40 people in this class that are sharing and I'm just sitting there quietly because everybody's journeys were like super expansive and there were lots of things to talk about. I was like, well, mine was super simple, so I waited until everybody left and at the end of people speaking, Hank began to talk and he said well, there's this belief that the Dogon people now, I hadn't said anything to him yet or anyone he said there's this belief that the Dogon people of Africa believe that the star beings came on the backs of whales and dolphins and they came through the stars on the backs of whales and dolphins, and they came through the stars on the backs of whales and dolphins, and all of the star beings came to us in double stars made of two different colors.

Sage:

And my hairs are standing up right now because it's like oh, wow, I finally realized where I came from Came on the backs of whales and dolphins, these double colored stars and they're often overly sensitive told. They're overly sensitive, they can't watch the news, they can't deal with violence, blah, blah, blah. So, I hear all of this. Everybody leaves the class. I go up to him at the end of the class. I'm like, uh, I need to run my journey past you. So I shared the journey. He was shuffling through papers. He looked up and he said I've been waiting for you.

Lauren:

Ooh, I just got chills, same as you.

Sage:

Yeah, he said I have been. He was an anthropologist. He said I have been looking for somebody who's had a direct experience that justifies or validates what I've learned through my studies in archeology. And so we talked about Scion and he said, and I said it feels like it's like Scion, like the car, and he said, well, maybe it's spelled differently. So one of the things I did is I went and Googled what are the stars that are near Sirius?

Lauren:

Yeah.

Sage:

The star that's right next to sirius is procyon what right. So we've got sirius is the dog star procyon is before the dog and it is a blue and green double star, and so I know exactly where I'm from. What? Yeah, I know. Crazy, huh, that's amazing.

Frank:

So how did that? How did that link up with his research? What was he waiting for specifically?

Sage:

He was waiting to hear somebody to have this actual experience of riding the backs of the whales and the dolphins. Nobody in the circle had said anything about going on the backs of the whales and the dolphins. Nobody in the circle had said anything about going on the backs of the whales and the dolphins. And I said I was a grandmother, I was the granddaughter of this star and this double star, and he hadn't had anybody have that experience yet.

Sage:

Wow, that's so cool and I've had a connection with whales my whole life. It was on my bucket list to see a killer whale since I was like seven.

Frank:

Did you get to one?

Sage:

Yeah, I did.

Frank:

Oh man, that's got to be such a trippy experience.

Sage:

Yeah, yeah, and I have such an affinity for you know, when we were living in California, getting out on the water and being with the humpbacks and saw a blue whale, I mean yeah.

Frank:

Lauren loves a good whale. I love, yeah, oh yeah, if she sees whales anywhere, she freaks out and dolphins and dolphins too.

Lauren:

I always look in the ocean, for I call them teams of dolphins.

Frank:

Yeah, we we renamed the pod teams. Over here, dolphins travel in teams for some reason?

Lauren:

Um wait, can you explain a little bit more about arriving on the backs of whales, like what do you mean by that?

Sage:

Yeah, maybe I can. Uh, what I can tell you in my journey I was was there's a connection between the whales and the stars, and the dolphins and the stars, and so there's a in my journey. It was like I came down to the planet like riding the bat, riding on a whale, like whale rider, that I came from the stars riding a whale and maybe at some point I was a whale and then embodied into a human being. Yeah, I don't know how it works. I mean, it's like I don't know how it works. It's probably the same as you having an affinity for whales and dolphins and maybe you have been looking up at the stars your whole life and you know that you're a starseed and there's this connection. One of the things that the whales have told me is that they are they are a direct link to the stars and the stars.

Sage:

There's a direct communication between the whales and the stars and I know that the whales navigate their path based on, they orient to the stars right, but they're messengers also that they directly send messages from earth back to the stars and then the stars back to the whales I do deep dives that I often don't talk about on the show, just into certain topics and stuff.

Frank:

But I have run into but I haven't talked to anybody about it about the concept of um whales being earth's historians. Have I talked to you about that line?

Lauren:

no, yeah, it's supposed to be like a thing.

Frank:

You'd probably know more about it.

Sage:

Well, you just told me about it in a way that I haven't heard before so it just it validates what your experience is, then, too frank, and it's not something that I've talked about much, so it's, you know, isn't that cool. We've had the same experience in some way, whether it's come through intuitively or a sense or a knowing. Yeah, yeah I don't.

Frank:

That kind of thing also just feels right for some way. I mean there's no, there's no animal like a whale, and they've been around for how long? Like yeah, it's, that's so special, that's so cool.

Lauren:

I love that yeah.

Frank:

Okay, I guess I have to transition to back on earth for a second. Fine, so after your, your NDE, was there an immediate so you, immediately you, had that experience where you were seeing yourself. What was your initial reaction to going through this experience? Because you said, maybe it was a little uncomfortable for you. Obviously, dying isn't comfortable, but I mean like the new sensations and new abilities that you were tapping into.

Sage:

Yeah, I mean the moment where I had the near-death experience. It was very peaceful. It was a little bit confusing and it's one of many that I would then have after that. So that was the first and I've had others since and in every near-death experience that I've had they've all been very peaceful, almost like a feeling of not wanting to go back, like into your body. There wasn't really that feeling.

Sage:

I I know that some people have had that feeling of like oh, I don't want to go back, and what I feel like I had, more than anything, was like touching. Touching that feeling of like, wow, this feels so amazing, it feels so blissful yeah and um, and then also recognizing that I'm very much here on the planet yeah right, rather than wishing and wanting and hoping to be somewhere else, it's like, okay, well, I'm embodied and what coming? You know all the things that come with being embodied the feelings and the hunger and all of that.

Sage:

And then also touching this place of like oh wow, here's this blissful feeling of complete and utter letting go, yeah, wow. And so from that first near death experience, to answer your question yes, my abilities opened up from there and that's where I began my shamanic practices was about a year after the car accident.

Frank:

It is funny because like to comment on you saying like the feelings of being here and so much we talk about, like spiritual, sorry, toxic spirituality, sometimes on the show, spirituality sometimes on the show and like so much of modern spirituality is is a form of escapism as opposed to an acknowledgement that we are here for like some divine purpose and and that we're trying to execute and like this is part of the fun yeah, like we're not trying to get out of here, like the.

Frank:

The hunger and the pain. It's all part of the fun. It's part of the the journey. It's not fun all the time, but it's part of it. It's all part of the fun. It's part of the journey. It's not fun all the time, but it's part of it.

Lauren:

It's literally part of the human experience.

Frank:

Yeah, that we chose. Yeah, it's on purpose. Let me ask you really quick you mentioned that the car accident was your first NDE. Are you jumping out of planes without parachutes a lot or what's going on Are?

Sage:

you jumping out of planes without parachutes a lot, or what's going on? No, but I did just hear in my meditation, uh, a wonderful quote by Trimpa Rumpashe that the bad news is there's no parachute, but the good news is there's no ground. I really love that and that helps me like rest in that place of nothingness.

Frank:

Yeah.

Sage:

No, I'm not jumping out of planes, but I've had a couple of experiences in vehicles Wow, sliding on the ice and spinning in circles down the highway and all of a sudden, magically, like everybody else, just disappears. And I don't wrap my car around a pole, I just like slowly spin in a circle and it's like time stopped. And then I kept going so well um wow, so hold on.

Frank:

You're, you're like you're. You loved astral travel at any opportunity that is well I did.

Sage:

I would not highly recommend like doing that on purpose in a vehicle, I mean yeah, talking is winter, winter roads in the midwest, but um, yeah, I'm aware that that's happened twice, that's so interesting and this very slow 360 with the vehicle and I let go, instead of the tendency to grab on and start changing, you know, controlling what the car is doing I let go and I prayed. I had another incident. I mean I can laugh now, but it was so scary.

Sage:

I was driving down a highway in Arizona and I was going I don't even know where a grocery store or something. I was driving my mother's car and I had gone to visit her. It was a full moon Driving behind a pickup truck and all of a sudden a refrigerator comes flying off the back of his pickup truck and I had about five seconds to make a decision. So the first thing I did is I prayed, I just prayed, and then I thought in my mind, if I duck the refrigerator, you know, if I can get down low enough, the refrigerator can go above me. And what I ended up doing was I prayed and I pulled. You know, I was going down the highway, so I got off the road as fast as I could to get into the where the merge lane was hit the brakes, I ended up hitting somebody, but the refrigerator stopped right in front of the car. I mean like two inches in front of the car.

Sage:

Wow, um like, how does that happen? No, that's a refrigerator flying down the highway. That's ridiculous. It's not what you're looking for, yeah none of your listeners are going to want to get in a car with me now.

Frank:

I'm actually a really good driver refrigerators are notorious for not using their turn lights, so that's fine, I do love that you have like a vehicle behind you.

Lauren:

She has, if you're just listening, she has a vw bus. Yeah, behind her. It's really cool. But yeah, vehicles and sage, maybe the two things dangerous combo.

Sage:

Well, and that that word, the vehicle, you know the maybe the vehicle is the vehicle for having was in the past. This hasn't, these near-death experiences haven't happened for ages, but maybe those were the vehicle for me to literally move into this place of expanding my consciousness.

Frank:

Right.

Sage:

I never thought of it that way.

Frank:

Man, that's so cool. Let me ask you so then you got into shamanic practices. You mentioned journeys a few times. Can you describe what a shamanic journey is like?

Sage:

Yeah, for me it's a lot like a dream.

Sage:

So when we go into a deep dream state we're in that theta brainwave state, and when we're in meditation we're in a deep theta state.

Sage:

With the shamanic journey, the drum if the drum is hit at seven beats per second or roughly uh yeah, about seven beats per second, about 120 beats minute it pushes the brain into the theta state.

Sage:

Oh, wow. And and when you can, when you can listen to a drum or a rattle in a quicker pace, it will actually push the brain into that theta state. And so if we move into that theta state, then we can access these places that are what we call in between the worlds, going into non-ordinary reality. So in the shamanic journey depending on who the teachers are, where you've learned like I started learning with core shamanism that there might be a lower world, a middle world, an upper world where you can access the animal world, this plane that we live on here, or the angelic realm, and just going, listening to the sound of the drum or the rattle can push you into maybe seeing visions or feeling sensations in the body, to access this what we would call non-ordinary reality, and it's all done, just with the drum, it's, it's. It's nothing other than breathing and listening to a drum.

Frank:

Is that drum tuned to a frequency, or is it just the drum itself?

Sage:

No, you could tap your pen. You could just tap your pen 120 beats a minute.

Lauren:

I've never heard no one's described that, so thank you, because I've heard people talk about like drumming and in like a meditative way or or in shamanic practices, and that's so specific, the like seven beats per second it is and know I just thought of this.

Sage:

I did an album. I created an album in 2019 called Jungle Jaguar Drum Journey Experience, and so I'll send it along and you can make sure it's in the show notes, or however you do it, yeah, please. Yeah.

Frank:

So that's cool. So now can you explain a little bit more what the theta brainwave is exactly? Because I play with binaural beats all the time and I see all the different brainwaves, I'm like I just don't really know what I should be going for right now, depending on what I'm trying to achieve, you know. Yeah, it depends on what you're trying to achieve.

Sage:

So the alpha brainwave, for the best of what I understand. I'll explain the best I can. Alpha is that daydreaming state. It's why we could be driving down the highway and all of a sudden we miss our exit because we're thinking about something else. We're in that daydreaming state. When we scroll on our devices, it puts us into alpha. When we watch television, we go into alpha. So it's that kind of daydreaming. So it's that kind of daydreaming. Beta is doing math problems getting your taxes done. So that high cognitive place that is so uncomfortable for me to go to.

Frank:

That's a terrible place for me. Apparently, I'm very bad at beta, so the second you said math, I'm like I don't have't have better beta.

Sage:

that's fine uh, the theta, like I mentioned, is that place that we go, that where we can access in between the worlds so it slows down the brain waves a little bit. I'm guessing they're a little bit slower than the beta. Beta seems like things would be firing faster to be able to answer a math problem. Theta is the place that we oh, here's what I can tell you about theta mother earth resonates at the same hertz as theta.

Frank:

Oh, well, that sounds like.

Sage:

That's why when we go into nature, we can access that intuitive nature. So, taking a a walk in nature, all of a sudden it's like wow, I just heard, you know, somebody talk from the other side, or we might notice a sign or a symbol coming from someone, and so it's mother earth resonates at the same Hertz. There's a Hertz that Theta resonates at the same Hertz. There's a Hertz that, uh, theta resonates at and it's the same as mother earth, which is what the drum beat um coincides with is the Hertz of mother, mother nature. And then the Delta brainwave is where we go in deep sleep. So it's a really slow brainwave and the ideal is to be kind of living in an alpha theta state, which is a relaxed, awakened state so you can drive a car and cook food and do you know earthly things. You don't want to live in Theta because you'd be a little bit in La La Land.

Frank:

Right, I know a few of those.

Lauren:

Oh, that just makes sense, though, cause I would do. I haven't. I haven't taken one of my like long nature walks. We live by some a big mountain and when I was like really tuned in, I'd see like a deer and I'd be like it's a, it's a sign from yeah, your walks weren't important to you yeah, I was also.

Lauren:

There was like this period of time, I don't know why. I had this conversation with my brother about like I was like I saw a tarantula and I'm like I've never seen one. And then I saw, every single time I would take this walk, I would see a tarantula. It was like cause he was like I've never seen one in nature and it kept happening and I was like at the beginning of this spiritual journey. So I was like it's this, there's something to this. I don't know what it is, but yeah, I was like it's this, there's something to this. I don't know what it is, but yeah, I was like I get these, like I'll see a deer, I'll see a tarantula you kept running across a tarantula, which is it was really bizarre.

Frank:

Yeah, I've lived out my whole life. I've seen a tarantula in the wild like twice total, and you're catching one every week.

Lauren:

It was yeah, yeah, every every few days was like five times or six times in a row.

Frank:

Yeah.

Sage:

Yeah, so there's some medicine for you there in the tarantula medicine.

Frank:

Yeah, Wait, what is tarantula medicine?

Sage:

I don't know what tarantula medicine means, but it's worth, uh, it's worth exploring you can journey on it and and uh, bring it into your dreams. Dream, practice and ask why is tarantula showing up?

Lauren:

How fun is that? Yeah, that is fun. I was, I was look, I think it had to do with like I was looking up like the spiritual meaning. I think it had to do with like being on the right path or something, something. Something like that, where I was like, okay, this is kind of confirming. It's like a year ago, so we were just starting all of this and yeah, but so interesting, and now I want to, it makes me want to go back into nature and that's where the magic is yeah, yeah yeah, truly I want to.

Lauren:

I want to ask some questions about communicating with animals. Sure, sure. So when you first heard that beagle, was it outside of your ear or inside your head?

Sage:

Here's what happens when I hear somebody speak to me. That isn't like the beagle wasn't formulating his lips to say the word help out of his lips, right? So it's like it hits me in the back of the head oh, lips. So it's like it hits me in the back of the head If I had to put a place on my body where I hear things.

Lauren:

It's like whoa, where'd that come from? Oh, that's so interesting.

Sage:

So it came from outside of me, hit me in the back of the head, and then I noticed it and looked around like okay, well, where's the person that just said that? And there was no person around. So I looked down and there was a beagle and I was like what, how is that possible? And again, this was 25 years ago Now. It's like, well, of course the beagle's going to talk to me, because the beagle knows I can hear him, right, I can hear them, yeah, right.

Frank:

We've heard that before. I think it was from Carolyn Swift. She was talking about when you receive stuff. She was talking about it's not your ear, it's like behind your ear.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Like she was specifying where, like certain things can come through.

Lauren:

That's area like right at the base of your.

Frank:

And I'm sure it's more of a sensation than it is like a yeah, that's really interesting.

Sage:

Yeah, it feels like getting wept in the back of the head, like, oh, somebody's saying something. And then I also, when I connect with animals and people, I do medical, intuitive work. So I'm not a doctor but I play one. Anyway, when people call for maybe a medical question that it's possible a vet may not be able to figure out, I asked the animal how are you feeling? What's going on, what can you tell me and show me? And I feel what the animal's feeling. And because I'm not a vet and I'm not a doctor, I can't diagnose or prescribe anything. But I can say okay, well, the dog has a pain below its right rib that's radiating up to the left shoulder and causing them to have this response. And so I feel in my physical body what an animal, or sometimes people will call for human, medical, intuitive work, and so I feel what they're feeling just for a moment.

Lauren:

You use your own body as a map. Yeah, exactly, I learned like a bit of that in like a Reiki energy healing mentorship.

Sage:

And the animals and the people will come through however they can. So there might be a word, or it may be a sensation, or a color, or a feeling, or a sense or a knowing. Do you ever?

Lauren:

just say it does the I'm so excited.

Frank:

I don't know where this is going.

Lauren:

I love this. Is it your voice, or is it like a puppy voice? Oh my God.

Frank:

You think she's out there hearing Scrappy-Doo?

Lauren:

Let me at him.

Sage:

That's a good question, like what is the voice? I mean, I've had people ask if I'm talking to a dog in Spain. Do they speak Spanish?

Frank:

Only the Cocker Spaniels.

Sage:

Right, sometimes they sound. They sound different than me, but they don't sound like Scooby-Doo. But you know what? I haven't talked scooby-doo. I should try that. Yeah, only scooby-doo sounds like scooby-doo. Yeah, so each animal has their own, uh, I would say a sensation of their voice.

Lauren:

Okay, like an energy we do a very specific voice for our dog, and that would just be funny to think if he actually spoke like that. Oh my God, I know. Okay, I'm sorry, it was a ridiculous question.

Frank:

What's the aside from like? So it sounds like everything we've we've talked about so far. When you talk to animals, it's them like needing something or or wanting to give you a message of some kind. What's like the most interesting or most like profound thing you've ever heard from an, from an animal Like? What's the lesson that like the animal community could teach us if that was a thing?

Sage:

You know it's a great. I love that question, Frank, and. And you know that it's a great. I love that question, frank and and? Um, you know, what I have to do is go back into my, my thinking mind, that beta to like think through some of these sessions. But something happened last week with our own dog, reggae, at the beginning of meditation. He was a pandemic dog. Well, we got him long before the pandemic, but during the pandemic he was a therapy dog at juvenile detention with me. So he and I would go into juvenile detention as a therapy team and we'd work with the kids.

Frank:

That's amazing.

Sage:

But during the pandemic, we got on Zoom with the kids and so he learned. Regé learned that. The pandemic, we got on zoom with the kids and so he learned. Reggae learned to that the laptop was a way to connect with people. Oh my gosh, and it's shocking. I mean, it's even now. He does yoga with me. I open my laptop, he comes running. He sits on the yoga mat. He's like waiting for the lady to show up on the yoga.

Sage:

No way on the laptop, and so this meditation sangha that we're a part of, my husband and I, we go in the mornings and Regé will get in front of the laptop before the meditation starts. And just last week and to me this is profound Just last week, we were all sitting, we're ready to start our meditation, and the leader rang the bell and Regé said that's not necessary. And what I love about that is he's exactly right as human beings it's like, and now we will pay attention.

Sage:

Yeah, yeah, yeah then we are done paying attention that's hilarious, but there you know what.

Frank:

That is somewhat profound because, like the amount of stuff that we do, yeah, to try and connect, and how much of it is like, um, what do you call it like performative? That that isn't necessary when, like you know, you're telling us that connecting to the world and to spirit is as simple as stepping outside of your door and going into nature. We don't need all the performative stuff For a dog, just to lay it out like that. Of course it's a dog.

Sage:

That would say that Right, that's not necessary. So if we look at all of the things that aren't necessary, like Joseph Goldstein, one of the teachers that I follow, he says is it useful? Yeah, and it's a very similar kind of you know, if we're having an argument, is that really necessary?

Frank:

Yeah, especially for it to be like a chime. A chime to get you into the zone. Yeah, isn't that called a Pavlov response? Aavlov response a dog leave it to the dog can we not?

Lauren:

oh, that's, that's great. Um, what do do you get like information I'm so curious about, about animals and like past lives with animals specifically, where because sometimes we'll like look at our dog and we're like, you're like a little human, like you're so emotional, and we frankly have these conversations sometimes where we're like, do you think the reward of like lives well lived as a human is to be like a very happy dog in a happy home, like that's your, you know that's your next life, or do you evolve and like I'm going to be a dog this time? Have you gotten any like little bits of I don't know soul information?

Sage:

Yeah, I mean, one of the things I learned early in my learning about animal communication is that animals who come through really clearly were often a human in a past life, Really. And I have had clients working with their animals who have asked me to go into past lives with the animals and let's take a look back. Sometimes they're wild animals. I've I've worked with a number of cats that are big cats, you know, domesticated, you know they're like lions and Panthers and they're in a domesticated cat's body and they don't want to be picked up, they don't want to be coddled. They're like are you kidding me? I'm, I'm a lion.

Frank:

I'm fierce yeah.

Sage:

Yeah.

Frank:

That makes too much sense. I have about a dozen scars that say that's true.

Lauren:

Yeah, we had three cats, for like. One of them lived till she was 20. So Wow. Yeah.

Sage:

Yeah, so, yes, yeah, makes sense. There is a. I believe that that, uh, animals have it all together they know how to live and they know how to die, they know how to let go, they know how to move on, um, and they're they're incredible teachers.

Frank:

And they're natural. The thing I always note about animals and the wisdom you can pick up from animals is, specifically, they know how to integrate with their environment, which is something that we are so bad at. We're always working against our environments and stuff like that like they, even something as simple as we don't wear clothes. It's like they're. They're part of our, of our. They're showing us what it's like to be sustainable absolutely and like that's a huge lesson that we can pick up.

Sage:

To live simply and to let go.

Frank:

And that there's. As soon as you do that there is plenty out there. You go to some of these environments and you're like you know, oh, if I don't have a water bottle and all this stuff, like I'm dead in 24 hours. And you're like but there's a rabbit. But there's a rabbit who?

Sage:

I guess is more capable than I am. Who isn't carrying their their water bottle in their fanny pack?

Frank:

yeah it's that's. There's something there, there's something there.

Lauren:

So you said that you, you still do hospice work, or like you work with hospice patients. I've heard so much that when someone is, you know, near death, the veil gets thinner. The veil gets thinner Like are you, do you work as? Like, is it like death doula type work, or kind of just coaching them, like your loved ones are just waiting for you, like, what do you do in that space? That's a good question.

Sage:

Sorry, do I do so? Yes, I have actually been trained as a death doula, for both people and animals. Um, the biggest training is on the job training, yeah, and but with I have been witness to a number of deaths of both people and animals, and because of my I would say, because of my spiritual practices and how I live my life, when I'm, uh, connected with somebody who I know they're getting closer to transition, then I can feel, I can feel things letting go. Um, I might see symbols or signs, like last week I had a friend whose mother was nearing transition and a bald eagle flew in front of my car and then I saw a flock of birds move through and I could just feel that she was starting to let go. So, to answer your question, I feel like I work on a number of different levels. When clients hire me, I only work between the worlds when people are hiring me to do it, so I don't get into messing with the natural occurrence of things. Yeah, and I don't do readings unless somebody has actually asked me to do a reading, so I won't offer a reading like here. Let me do this for you, yeah, so, although the eagle was flying through and the birds were flying through. I told my friend that that had happened and then I let it go.

Sage:

I'm not working. I'm not working behind the scenes. If somebody hires me to hold space, like, let's say, there's an animal who is going to be euthanized, is going to be euthanized, and maybe I've done work with them animal communication to support them through their aging and letting them know that the end of their life is nearing, and here's what that looks like and here's what euthanasia is. And so I I work with through that process and then I also work through the euthanasia. If the client has hired me to do that so I would let the animal know. Then I hold space for them during the euthanasia, then I support that animal in helping them to release their spirit fully so that it can transition on to the other side, and then the client often does a follow-up session after afterwards oh, wow you know, at any given time I might have a hospice.

Sage:

When I say a hospice client, it's an animal, that's um, it's usually animals that are at the end of their life and people are walking that line between a natural death and euthanasia.

Lauren:

Yeah, because that's a really tough time. It's a really tough decision to make for a pet owner.

Frank:

It's the worst decision. It's awful. I've had experiences in my life where having to say goodbye to my human relatives has been easier than having to make the decision to call it for my pets. It's so hard and like for people that don't have a, like an animal death doula or someone to help with the transition. Like what, what could you say to those people to make it easier or to, even if they don't have the deep intuitive ability that you have, like, how can they be there for their pets during the most difficult time?

Sage:

One of the gifts that I learned a while back from a teacher of mine was to write a letter to the animals, something that anybody can do. That anybody can do. I worked with a young person this morning and encouraged them to write a letter to their beloved animal and then write a letter back from them. What would they say if they could talk right? Why?

Lauren:

is this making me emotional? Because it's hard.

Sage:

We've had to put down a lot of beloved pets in the past couple years, and every one of them was hard it's a really sweet way of making that connection and anybody can do it to write a letter, or, if the if it's a young child, the child can even speak to the animal. What do you want to say to the animal and what do you think this animal would say back to you? I feel like it's really important for us to honor the lives that we've spent time with, to honor lives and to honor them in the best way that we can possible, and one of my goals personally is to keep expanding as a human being and to offer different possibilities for expansion to people. It's like well, here's what's possible. Your animals can hear you, so why not talk to them?

Sage:

out loud, like you would to people and let them know how much you love them, how much you care for them, how much you're going to miss them when they move on, and also that you can do this work even after they've passed. So it's never too late to write the letter to them or from them or too, early, that's nice.

Lauren:

That got me.

Sage:

You're welcome.

Lauren:

I'm super emotional. I'm a c crier, so sometimes something just hits me. Thank you for being willing to grieve thank you, celebrate, thank you yeah, thank you for I I I usually say like I'm sorry and I was like don't do it, don't apologize, it's a gift Working on that.

Frank:

So for our animals that aren't at the end of their lives, is there like a frequent message that comes through Like how can we better treat our domestic babies here?

Sage:

Well, it's, you know it's how can we treat everybody. I think it comes back to love and kindness.

Frank:

Yeah.

Sage:

And that's different for everybody what that means On a really practical level with the animals. If we can make sure to address as best as possible any pain or anxiety, those are the first places to go. But really it's kind of what our moms and dads taught us Treat unto others how you want to be treated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and really recognize that these domesticated animals are a gift to us. They are incredible, incredible teachers, and so offering them as much freedom as possible, as much love and care and kindness as possible, and keeping them pain-free and anxiety-free, explaining things to them, can really do a lot for anxiety. And then regular care.

Frank:

I was just about to ask you what's the, what's the, what's the normal or what commonly causes, like animals, anxiety.

Sage:

Not knowing.

Frank:

Yeah.

Sage:

When they don't understand.

Lauren:

That's something you just don't think about. Sometimes, just explaining something to your dog, you know, yeah, we used to do that with our daughter when she was younger, when she was a toddler. We'd be like because we felt that it helped her anxiety. We'd be like we're going to do this, and then we're going to do this, and then we're going to do this or whatever, and then when we're done we're going to leave. Okay, and it was always this, like we're going to lay it out for you and that's so. I mean, why wouldn't you do that? People say that dogs have the same intelligence as like a toddler. I mean, why wouldn't you do that? People say the dogs have the same intelligence as like a toddler, so why wouldn't you do that for them? Right?

Sage:

absolutely. That's really some people don't think of it right right so it's.

Sage:

You know. My encouragement is to have listeners be willing to communicate more more fully with their animals, just verbally, and trusting that the animals are picking up on the pictures that we automatically create in our brains. So, explaining to them where you're going, what you're doing, when you're going to be home, yeah, sometimes, why are you leaving when? Why can't they go along? So like, for example, when I go on trips and I don't take reggae with me. I explained to him here's why you're staying home, and I always make being home so much better than going with me. It's like, dude, if you had to get in an airplane in a crate and go underneath and it's cold and you'd hate it. And he's like I'm out, I'm staying home.

Frank:

That's such a good point. There's almost always a good reason when you're not taking them.

Lauren:

Yeah, yeah, theodore would hate a plane ride.

Frank:

Oh, it would be his nightmare.

Sage:

Yeah, but explaining that to him yeah.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah, you touched on something just now. I was going to ask you. You know, people always talk about having like a there's a pet human connection where, like your pets tend to almost reflect your own demeanor in a certain way, and for better or worse. And you're you know I don't think it's a coincidence that we have an anxious dog. I have issues. So, like is and you're you're talking about. You said that um, like is and you're you're talking about. You said that um you communicating through like pictures and images, is is, is our little dude just picking up on all my anxieties and fears and like doesn't know how to process them as much as I don't? Is that a thing?

Sage:

Do you want me to ask him?

Frank:

Do you want to ask him?

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Is that okay?

Sage:

Yeah.

Frank:

Yeah.

Sage:

That's great.

Lauren:

Theodore.

Frank:

Theodore, he's sleeping.

Lauren:

He'll be fine, he's looking over and she'll be like what.

Frank:

Hey, I guess I get to tell you we're talking to a friend. You sleepy.

Lauren:

She speaks to animals.

Frank:

He needs a haircut, Hi buddy, this is.

Sage:

Theodore Hi, theodore, can you see me? I'm on the TV screen.

Lauren:

Can you see me? I'm on the TV screen, can you?

Frank:

see Sage, I guess. Oh, my God Hold on.

Lauren:

What a great look. Okay, there's a photo right there.

Frank:

This is very funny.

Sage:

Well, you guys don't have the same hairstyles, right? Well, you guys don't have the same hairstyles, right? And the question you had, frank, is whether he picks up on your stress or not. He said he does, but he said he doesn't take it on. He said it's not his.

Lauren:

He said he doesn't take on your stress, oh good, he's not understanding what's happening right now. He looks like he doesn't understand, are you so?

Sage:

nervous. Yeah, he's a little bit worried. So some of that licking and yawning, those are signals that animals do. People do it too, to show that they're a little bit stressed, and every domesticated animal is stressed. Look at what we do. We put collars on them, we attach leashes and we take them wherever we feel like going, and sometimes we tell them where we're going and sometimes we don't.

Lauren:

yeah, and if we were aliens coming down and seeing what we do with animals, it's like whoa, that is weird, right for sure they're supposed to just be running free, right, the people who put their like dog in a purse or something and take them to the grocery store. The dog's probably like. This is so strange. I'm just here while you pick out food.

Sage:

You done, pal yeah, he said he can. He said he can take care of himself. Oh okay, theodore said he. Theodore said that he can take care of himself. He doesn't feel like he needs to take care of you or that you have to take care of his anxiety needs. He said he can take he's. He's can do his own work. Wow, and he's not taking up, taking on your stress. He said that's yours.

Frank:

That's good to know. It's very helpful. Yeah, he's such a good dog. He like he knows his job. He, every night, every night, he like lays at the foot of our daughter's bed and he knows exactly. I'm assuming by her breathing, he knows exactly when she's fallen asleep and he can come rejoin us. He's there to like make her feel comfortable.

Sage:

Yeah, that's really sweet.

Frank:

He's the sweetest guy in the world.

Sage:

Yeah, he's got a very gentle demeanor and you know almost very he's very clear about what he wants and what he needs and what he's like. No, that's yours, that's your anxiety. I'm not taking it on.

Frank:

Perfect, I prefer it that way. That's amazing.

Lauren:

That's great.

Frank:

Can we talk for a second about?

Lauren:

Thank you for talking to him.

Frank:

Yeah, that's awesome, yeah, you're welcome. Do I feel like the answer is yes. Do animals? Yes, have.

Lauren:

Thank you for coming today, and that was sage lewis do animals have spirit guides, and are they often?

Frank:

are they always animals, or do the animals have like human spirit guides or former humans?

Sage:

yeah, In my experience, when I've worked with animals and been asked to connect with their spirit guides, my experience is both that they have both animals and people as spirit guides. Oh, that's so cool.

Frank:

I mean, is that the other way around too? Can some of our spirit guides just be like a pet or a former pet or something?

Sage:

Absolutely. They can also be plants.

Frank:

they could be gemstones, rocks that is so interesting to me.

Lauren:

I love that so much yeah, you can have a whole series of teams that makes sense, though, too, when you're like drawn to a plant or a stone or an animal and you don't really know why. Like could be that they're kind of like hovering around you or you know at all times or something exactly.

Sage:

There's some medicine in that for you. Yeah, it will help with um, either power or, you know, bringing more power into your life or balancing something out. So sometimes I'll work with animals or people and they'll ask what do I need in order to help with this issue? And I might get a plant that comes through and maybe it's a plant that they need to ingest more Like. I had a client recently that cilantro was coming through and it was about detoxing and it just rang through. I knew nothing about cilantro and then she wrote back and she said wow, I just found out. Cilantro is like number one for detoxing.

Frank:

Wow, I didn't know that.

Sage:

Yeah, I didn't either. It just came through. So I've really learned to trust what shows up.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah, and for our Australian listeners, yeah, yeah, and for our.

Lauren:

Australian listeners, listeners, this is coriander. You, you know better than you actually think. Like just thinking about, like trusting. Sometimes something pops into your head and you're like that was weird. Or you know, like why would I think about that? But your higher self like knows what you need, or you have some kind of like information come in. I think the lesson is just for me, absolutely.

Sage:

Trust your gut yeah.

Frank:

Trying to discern and learn, like what is your imagination and what is actually coming through, and if it's even important to discern that like yeah, and that's that, frank, is where nature comes in.

Sage:

And if you take all of those what I call bingo balls, you know the stuff that's just bouncing around, all of these ideas. We look at where we live in, the, the cities, with all of the emfs and all of the energy moving, and then we get out of that area and we move into deep nature. All of those ideas may distill down to one nugget where what we get labeled as attention deficit may happen a lot more in a really busy environment. And when you quiet and attune with the energy of mother earth, that theta brainwave state, it may distill itself down into like oh, here it is I gotta get away from my screen.

Lauren:

I was just gonna say, and like we're in this studio where frank spends so much of his time, there's equipment in here, everywhere, that makes so much sense. And as you go outside and get it distilled into one thing.

Frank:

And as if we're not just talking about like, we're not just talking about this, like the electronic feeds coursing through this space, and then on top of that I have a screen that's like entertaining my, my eyes and my brain all the time, where I'm trying to learn something or look up something or read something. Yeah, no wonder I've got the bingo balls. Bingo balls I like that I've got the bingo balls from hell.

Sage:

In here I'm sensing a clairvoyaging whale expedition.

Frank:

Oh my With psychics, oh yeah, that would be the coolest thing ever. We should do this.

Lauren:

Yes.

Frank:

Please.

Lauren:

A whale expedition. Oh my God, you would lose your mind. I'm so into it.

Frank:

You would love that.

Lauren:

A team of let's call them everybody team. A group of psychics.

Sage:

And a boat and whales. I think we're set there, it is.

Frank:

That it would be a whole thing. Maybe that's our next travel log.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Awesome.

Lauren:

That's documentary number two.

Frank:

Yeah, all right. Well, in the meantime, can you give everybody your plugs and tell them where to find you?

Sage:

Absolutely so. I'm at dancingporcupinecom that's my main website and for those of you that are trying to figure out how to spell porcupine, so it's dancing. And then P-O-R-C-U-P-I-N-Ecom, and we also have a chocolate company. That's a whole other side light here. My husband and I started a dark chocolate and ceremonial cacao company and that's tie-dye dragonflycom.

Frank:

Yes, Tie-dye dragonfly Beautiful.

Lauren:

That's so cool. I want to try it. Let's get some. Let's get some sipping cacao.

Frank:

You know, I love chocolate.

Sage:

Yes, I'll send you some Amazing.

Lauren:

Oh my gosh that'd be so cool.

Frank:

That's so fun, Sage. Thank you so much for spending time with us today.

Sage:

I'm so happy you reached out.

Frank:

Yeah, this was great, you guys.

Sage:

What a wonderful podcast and I'm so glad that Shaggy and I found you.

Lauren:

Shaggy brought us together. He did.

Frank:

That's so funny. Thank you for listening. That's so funny. Of Fractured Atlas, a 501c3 charity. Make a tax-deductible donation to support our mission to foster understanding, respect and curiosity for diverse spiritual belief systems. Claire Voyaging is a production of Wayfeather Media.

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