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068: Healing Trauma to Awaken Psychic Gifts // with April Thacker

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April Thacker joins us to share her extraordinary journey from childhood spiritual encounters to becoming a professional psychic medium. Having experienced near-death moments as a young child, April recalls seeing a crystal village and feeling surrounded by love – early glimpses into the spiritual realm that would later become her calling.

Most fascinating is April's account of the "Hat Man" – a shadowy figure in a hat and trench coat that visited her as a child. This wasn't just imagination; the Hat Man is a documented phenomenon reported by people worldwide, though his purpose remains mysterious. These early encounters initially frightened April into shutting down her abilities until divine timing intervened when she met her future mother-in-law – a woman raised by gypsies who practiced tarot reading.

The conversation takes an illuminating turn as April describes how trauma healing unlocked her mediumship abilities. Courageously sharing her experiences with childhood abuse, alcoholism in her family, and sexual trauma, April demonstrates how these painful experiences became tools for helping others. 

Whether you're curious about developing your own intuitive abilities or seeking inspiration in healing past wounds, April's story offers both practical guidance and profound hope. 

To learn more about April or to work with her:

Visit her website: sacreddreamer.simdif.com

Follow her on TikTok

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Lauren:

Hello good people. In this episode, Frank and I chatted with April Thacker, a psychic medium and teacher. We talked about trauma healing, divine timing, the hat man and her touring group of mediums called the Artistry of Mediumship. I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank:

And I'm Defying Gravity.

Lauren:

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition, and this is episode 68 of Clear Voyaging. Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging.

Frank:

What's going on, hi friends? What was today's rap about lauren tacos? I was rapping about tacos, the taco shop al pastor, specifically con pina oh, he's got some cuban in him, sure. That's the extent of my Spanish, right there.

Lauren:

Guys, I hope you're doing well on this fantastic day. It's April.

Frank:

Happy April.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Supposedly April is what it's April, also the name of our guest.

Lauren:

You're right. Oh my God, I was like what? Sorry, sorry, april. Yeah, you know what I heard? That april energy, just the month of april, is supposed to be like new and like like fresh well, according to some traditions, we could use that april 1st is the actual astrological new year.

Frank:

That's cool, so happy new year everybody.

Lauren:

Hey Frank.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

Natalie R bought us some coffees.

Frank:

Natalie R. Yes, Thank you, Natalie.

Lauren:

Natalie are you kidding me and we got a new Patreon member no we didn't.

Frank:

Man Down and Tuesday is our new patron. That's the user handle. Yes, man down and tuesday, are you serious?

Lauren:

yeah, thank you very much by the by, did you hear the preview of seth's listener episode? His full episode is up on patreon and we know you're gonna love, love it.

Frank:

It's tasty.

Lauren:

Like, the clip that you heard is just one of really a bunch of fascinating stories.

Frank:

The entire story is fantastic. Yeah, life journey is an absolute blast. Yeah, like we all can learn from it. I think it's amazing.

Lauren:

Yeah, I really think it'll resonate with a lot of people. He actually there's already some comments from patrons on there Just really appreciating his vulnerability and his honesty and it's a good one. It's a good one.

Frank:

It's a good one.

Lauren:

Also, I want to tell you guys, for the rest of April we're doing a 50% off promo for your first month's membership. So it's only $2 to join, $ dollars to join what is? What are you gonna say that's?

Frank:

so cheap. Come on and join us, join the family.

Lauren:

We're having fun yeah, we got another one coming up too. Another one wish wish.

Frank:

Wish is awesome.

Lauren:

Another. Just a reminder. We are actively fundraising for our documentary and your support is so helpful.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

Speaking of support, thank you to Melissa for your recent donation. Yeah, what's up? Yeah what, melissa.

Frank:

You gotta be kidding me. Thank you so much, yeah. We know things are tight, right me. Thank you so much, yeah.

Lauren:

We know things are tight right now. Yes, they are Eggs. Am I right Eggs? Why is it always eggs?

Frank:

That's the, it's just the the it's the pulse of the economy.

Lauren:

Um, no presh my pretty little babies. But if you have some love to spare, hop on over to Claire voyagingcom slash support and click on the link for the 501 C three, which is fractured Atlas. That's where we are fiscally sponsored.

Frank:

Want to know a cool thing too what? Even if you can't help, which is totally fine and understandable we are set up to accept grants. Yeah, I'm going to throw that out there. If anybody you know in the grant giving world, we are prepared to make some applications. So just let us know which direction we can fire that off in.

Lauren:

Yeah, enough of the updates, let's get to April.

Frank:

Let's get to April.

Lauren:

It's April Thacker, the psychic medium. She is a ball of fiery energy and so genuine and kind. We talked to her for over two hours.

Frank:

We did.

Lauren:

So we have some extra stuff on our Patreon from this conversation.

Frank:

That's right, I forgot.

Lauren:

Yeah, we've got some good stuff, because we were like, okay, well, we can't have the longest conversation ever, but the extra stories are really interesting. So also, guys, I want to give a quick trigger warning. We do get into some trauma stories around sexual abuse, suicide and physical abuse, so I wanted to make sure to put a warning out there about those sensitive topics. The context is around the healing that April did, so I want to just thank her for being so honest and open and vulnerable in talking about those subjects.

Frank:

Yeah, it's a big thing to do to go on a public platform and talk about that kind of thing.

Lauren:

Yeah. To like anybody, but it's a testament to the trauma healing that she did.

Frank:

Yeah and like like it's a way for us all to grow through her growth and that's, that's the point, that's the whole point.

Lauren:

So, you turn trauma into wisdom and april did that spectacularly yeah, so let's get to her episode. Let's do it, enjoy you gotta say it now roll the tape. April, thank you so much for joining us. We we love people's backstories here on Clear Voyaging, so can you tell us how you got started and when did all of this start happening for you? How'd you get here?

April:

So, since I was a little girl, I seen and sensed spirit. It actually started, though, because, looking back on this journey and realizing different things and synchronicities for me, I realized that I was near death experience being born, and also I had a near death experience as a young child as well, out in the winter cold. That's a long story, but with um, with both of those experiences, I remember seeing things, um, I remember seeing a crystal village, a big, long um, just like how do I explain it? It looked like a bridge to me and there was just people surrounded on both sides of me and all I felt was love. So since then, um, and since I was a little girl, I've always sensed the in spirit. They would visit me, and I don't know if you guys have ever heard of the hat man.

Frank:

Yes, yes, we have but if you don't mind, because some of our listeners may not be totally familiar with that, could you.

Lauren:

We've never talked about it on the show. I don't think we have. Can you describe that? Yeah, he likes spirit things the hat man to me.

April:

Um, he, I also called him the watcher. He in folk tales and um, and the different generations um the. He comes and visits, that visits people in the middle of the night and just watches over you. He wears um a hat and a long trench coat. Um, I'm not sure what he, who he is or what he does. All I know is he scared the crap out of me as a child. Yeah, my goodness.

April:

Yeah, like, like, and I would tell my parents about all my visitations, not only from the hat man. And it's funny looking back on it now because I would tell my parents and they would kind of brush it off. And now they know what I do and they're fully supportive of me and they're like OK, now it makes sense, right? Yeah, so for me it started as a child. I ended up shutting down my abilities because of the hat man, though he scared me, so I ended up shutting down my abilities because of the hat man, though he scared me, so I ended up shutting down just the reason why we all know about the hat man is because the hat man is a phenomenon that many people report seeing and, uh, no one seems to know exactly what his purpose is turns.

April:

Maybe he just really enjoys hanging out, we don't know I, I, yeah, he just was a watcher to me and then I realized everybody was seeing the hat man and I'm like that's him, that's him, oh my god. So I ended up posting a video on it, on, you know tiktok, and it blew up, um, but for me, I wish that I could go back now, knowing what I do about spirit, and actually talk to this man and say why did you scare the crap out of me? What did you want with me? You know things like that and um. Also, people told me that, um, he looks like the poltergeist guy. I've never seen the poltergeist. I haven't either, personally.

Frank:

The, the poltergeist, the hold on. I've seen it once and now I'm getting my poltergeist, my exorcisms mixed up.

April:

So I probably shouldn't comment on that, okay, but those movies scared me at that age because of what I was seeing. So I never watched things like that unless it was like freddy krueger, you know something like that, right, yeah, yeah. But, um, growing up, so, um, I was really into anything spiritual. You know, the craft movie came out. I was all about that all over it. Ghost adventures, you know all these ghostly shows. I was just trying to figure out where I belonged because I always had this sense like, growing up as a teenager, my friends and I would have seances. You know, like I've always been connected, so it's no surprise to any of my friends, like the work that I do, just because they've known me forever.

April:

When I was 14 and I met my husband going on 20 years now his mom and I got along very well. I absolutely love her. She's my mother-in-law, um, her name's Christine, but she read tarot cards and she was raised and, uh, raised by gypsies. Her whole family was gypsies, so this is something that she had to learn. So I say spirit and divine timing there's no joke between that, because I'm getting chills right now even talking about it it was divine timing, like spirits, like okay, this is where you need to go. So amazing connection, such an amazing connection and after that I was really really into the tarot cards. But you know, kids' life happens, so I had to kind of step back from things. I really started developing in mediumship, spiritualism myself. I had to do a lot of self-work, trauma healing things like that, and you guys have probably heard a lot of other mediums and spiritualists have to say that yes, it's like 80% of our show yeah.

April:

Yeah, you have to work on yourself. So I ended up started working on myself and I was watching Teresa Caputo, you know, reading Tyler Henry's books, love Kim Russo, laura Lynn Jackson, all of them and I'm like I would be watching the show and I would get images in my head before they would make the connection with the person and I would start getting the same information. And I would start getting the same information and I'm like, okay, you know, maybe it's not my ADHD. That's like making my mind, you know, go crazy. Yeah, I diagnosed ADHD here. No surprise.

Frank:

I find a lot of psychics and mediums are Can I just say this is already answered, because you get way more out of your television subscriptions than most people, because every show is interactive for you if it's dealing with the spirit.

April:

Yes, it really is. But then, you know, going through spiritual, like my spiritual journey, I have learned to set boundaries and close off the spirit too. It's all about intention, and if I have an intention of ooh, okay, yeah, I kind of want to connect and see if I'm getting anything, you know, at that time I didn't know boundaries, so I was connecting, um. But so after all that, I was like you know what I'm going to start looking into, like a metaphysical shop around me my area is not huge, in it, I think there's two within 40 minutes of me. Uh, I looked up and there was a $5 development circle class and I'm like, oh, five bucks, I can do that, yeah, so I went into this class, um, my mentor teacher at the time, his name was Jim, he's amazing. It was just a little circle, everybody was just very nice, kind, polite, and it's my first time doing it. But they throw you into the deep end. It's not okay. We're going to teach you how to connect, like what I teach now. It's not I'm going to teach you how to connect, just do it. Well, you're like, what am I supposed to do? I'm like I'm so nervous, you know, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm doing, um, so I ended up just going with it. I'm like, okay, spirit, I trust you.

April:

And uh, I ended up giving an amazing reading to a woman. Woman, um, it was her friend's son. That came through and the way that it came through it was very violent, which was kind of bothersome to me, and I kept seeing images of a prison and I kept seeing images of an inmate being beaten by guards and I kept seeing this this man go to the hospital hooked up on life support, things like that like very, very tragic, and I'm like this had to make headlines somewhere. I'm seeing headlines, I'm seeing news, but I'm also seeing nothing being done or nothing to come out of it right now, like I feel that energy Come to find out her friend's son, who was in prison, got beat by several different guards to the point of him being on life support, but he ended up passing later in the hospital.

April:

Wow, that's messed up and it and it was covered on the news um and the papers and nothing had still been done about it holy cow, that's my first time. Oh my god, I was like how the hell did I just overwhelming yeah, but it was amazing feeling like yeah oh my god I'm not crazy like.

April:

This is validation for me, because I'm an evidential medium, so I want that evidence, I want that validation. And it was such validation for me that right after that moment I'm like like I'm obsessed. This is what I'm supposed to be doing. This is where all of this childhood trauma and all these ghostly paths have led me.

Lauren:

Yeah, and then you just like that was it, Like I'm going to start learning as much as I can, like that kind of thing Just professionally.

April:

Everything. It's like, you know, I used to do crafts and instead of crafts now I just exchanged it for classes and different. You know, want to learn everything about everything. And the hard part about it was for me, was coming out of the mediumship closet. Was coming out of the mediumship closet, letting everyone know, like social media, facebook, all my family, my friends, like this is what I want to do, because you're gonna have judgment come at you. Yeah, with it.

April:

So for me, I was like okay, and then even you know my kids. I have to think about my kids and how their friends are going to react to this. Are they going to be made fun of? You know so there was a lot for me in order to come out of the mediumship closet, but it was the best thing I ever did For me. It showed me who my true friends were, who my true friends aren't. It showed me that my family loves me, for me and for what I do, and they have trust and belief in me. And just having that support, not only from my direct family, but my husband's family as well, and I have just met so many beautiful people along this journey that are now soul family to me.

Lauren:

That's so awesome. What a freeing thing too. That's so awesome. What a like freeing thing to how mean like you have to have so much, like you said, so much fear around being like. But, guys, I do mediumship readings now, especially for people who didn't know.

Frank:

It's such an interesting transition well, I mean, we've experienced something similar in that, like at least in our own internalizing of like concerns about judgment, like in even just starting a podcast about the thing not doing the thing itself. Right, yeah.

Frank:

So it's, it's, I'm certain I'm coming out of the mediumship closet. I'm sure is like just such such a thing to overcome is like just such such a thing to overcome. But I'm going to use that as a jumping off point real quick, because I wanted to ask you like something that comes up a lot in during our conversations is just that concept of um, like being your true, authentic self, and how that aligns the rest of your life right, which just seems like it's something that happened for you. It sounds like you might have had to shift your relationship with some people um, oh yeah, family, um.

April:

So this journey wasn't always easy. Uh, coming out of the mediumship closet wasn't just about me doing mediumship, um, it was about me healing myself and finally coming out and saying, hey, I'm doing this. Um, I did so much trauma and shadow work, uh, to the point, I had a lot of family trauma. I had abuse. In my life, I've had manipulation, um, family that are alcoholics, uh, there's just a lot that I had to unfold and unravel, uh, for myself, and, and I had to let go of some relationships for a little while and the ones that were really meant, you know, to work out. We worked it out and for me, just that healing opened up so many more doors for me being able to heal myself, but now I help heal others.

April:

So it's just, it's the most rewarding. I don't even want to call it a job because it doesn't feel like that to me. It's the most rewarding thing that I could do in my life to help give back to others. And just the gratitude that I feel in my heart for the love that I've received and the healing that I've received. It's immense and I can't even explain it.

Lauren:

I have a question about your husband, because you said you've been with your husband since. You've known your husband since you were 14. So, and married for 20 years. This has been quite a journey. Alongside him as well, do you one? Is he like, oh, april's gonna do her thing, or is there any? Does he have any like inclination towards like I want to learn some into it, like intuitive development? Or like teach me something?

April:

or is it like you fit it the nail on the head, the first uh statement that you made? He's like, oh, I'm not gonna do anything and what she's doing, okay, so like through it. He used to be scared of this type of work and he's like you better not bring no demons in my house or you know bad energy and I'm like honey, I only deal with you know the love, the light, the high frequency, but it's an amazing thing to watch because he used to be scared of it.

April:

His brother is also very, very mediumistic psychic. So he's he's around it so it's always freaked him out. But once I started actually getting into it, started doing readings. Now he tells everybody oh, my wife's the medium, my wife's the medium like I'm, like, can we not hang out with people? He's just so proud of me that I know that he wants to help everyone.

Frank:

How nice is that.

April:

That's so sweet, he's so amazing. His name's Roy, but I just absolutely love that man, everything that he has supported me on along the way and through my self-healing he also went through self-healing with me. Um, we really have learned how to navigate the waters of emotions, I should say, because you know, it's not always easy. Um, and 20 year, 20 plus year relationship, we've had to learn to navigate those waters. And just how open and empathetic he is now and seeing him get his like intuitive hits or feeling energy and spirit around, I'm like, oh yeah, it's rubbing off, it's definitely that's fun.

Lauren:

I mean he's gotta have if his brother has that and his mom's into tarot, like oh yeah, roy has some stuff, he's just unfortunately it comes out more like if he's under the influence of alcohol. Oh my gosh, he's drinking around his friends.

April:

you know he's like, oh, I'm like babe, that's not ethical, stop it.

Frank:

Sometimes you got to turn off that brain a little bit to get let the things in, oh my gosh, I've heard, I've heard some psychics be like oh, I've had some of my best readings after a couple beers and I'm sure it's just from turning off the brain just a little bit so ethically, I do not say, do that, but sure, if you're with friends and family, it's gonna happen, because it's always happened.

April:

Like, and my friends know what I do. So they're like oh, do you feel anything? And they like put like, if I give them something, they're like oh, what do you see? I'm like, oh, man, it started. But yeah, and it honestly I feel like being under the influence of certain things. Don't inhibit a reading. I know a lot of mediums and psychics say that it can, but for me it never really has Everybody that I've read. But, like I said, it's family, it's friends. Yeah, sure, people hang out around a bonfire, you know, while we're camping Right, and never a client while we're camping Right, never a client or anything like that.

Lauren:

He was showing his readings drunk.

Frank:

Or going to a bar. Hey, buddy, I'm a psychic okay.

April:

Do you want a?

Lauren:

reading. Your grandpa told me something.

Frank:

Hey, give me 10 bucks and I'll tell you something cool.

April:

But for me it's like I'll say something and if I don't want to read out I will set those boundaries. But if spirit starts stepping forward to me, as soon as someone starts talking to me, I'm not going to hold that back like I'm like okay, and you know, the funny thing about it is a lot of the times when I do connect, it's a grandfather or an uncle that love to drink and have fun.

Frank:

And they're coming to that exact moment. They came to the party.

April:

Yeah, so I feel like it's almost divine timing in a sense, like maybe I can't read them through experience when I'm not drinking, you know Right.

Frank:

Oh, that's funny you know that really just brought up something for me that I've we've talked to a lot of people recently about how they really connect deeply to their, their heritage or their ancestry, Right, and like I'm always a little bit jealous of that because I am a much of many cultures and I don't I don't really like subscribe deeply to any particular ethnicity or or or culture, Right, and and the two that I do subscribe to the most are kind of at odds with each other. I've got I'm I'm very scottish and I'm very cuban, right, so like, what am I gonna do? Like like santeria in a kilt?

April:

this doesn't make sense hey, I think it works.

Frank:

Maybe it does yeah but like thinking about this in that sense, like you're saying like, oh, you know, maybe like your, your grandfather showed up, showed up to the bar because they wanted to hang out too. Right, that was their favorite thing to do, doing stuff that your family members, your past family members, might have participated in as almost a spiritual practice, not so much as a ritual, but that's like maybe a really cool practice to try out for for those of us who don't really know what, how to tap into that.

Lauren:

Didn't you? You went on a solo camping trip and I did how to tap into that you went on a solo camping trip?

Frank:

I did, and I was told that I was going to be in some way connected to my grandfather, who I didn't actually even know at the time. I asked later. He was an avid camper. I was like oh, I didn't even know that.

April:

I'll see Divine timing.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

Okay, so you do this artistry of mediumship. Tell us about that. I do the artistry of mediumship. Tell us about that.

April:

So I do the artistry of mediumship tour it's me with a group of mediums. We travel around the United States, we book events and venues and we have our social media following. Come out to see us or you know other tickets. But it's not about the money for us the tickets are always such an amazing price. It's about we want to show the art of mediumship, because every medium reads completely different. It's like an artistic drawing, um and we want to showcase that life still continues after death.

April:

So we just did an event in Santa Cruz, california, monterey area, and while we were there, there were seven of us, seven mediums there were supposed to be eight, but somebody unfortunately couldn't make it. So there were seven of us and we had five events over four days and there were a bunch of different mediums. Uh, we went to uh the 418 I don't know if you guys heard of that in santa cruz. No, we did an event at uh the 418. It's an old cinema and, uh, the really cool thing that we ended up doing that a lot of other mediums don't do during platform mediumship events, which that is okay. Spirit is making me feel like this this, this, can anyone take that in the audience?

Frank:

right and they'll raise their hands and yes, so, yeah, yeah.

April:

So we would do spirit led um and you know, say okay, who can take this? Then, whoever we hold her on to, we would read. But with the artistry of mediumship we like to do linked readings and direct. So at the end of the event we ended up saying okay, we're going to do something fun and Huggable. Healer Hannah. You guys should totally have her on the show. She's actually her, and the guy that does Embrace Academy with me started Artistry and Mediumship. She's amazing, huggable, huggable Healer Hannah.

Frank:

Can't argue with that name. Great yeah, love it already.

April:

She's amazing. I absolutely love her. She is somebody that I started following and now we're best friends, we're soul family.

Lauren:

Oh, that's so cool.

April:

Um, and we're all here to support each other. It's not a competition. So during the event, um, hannah decides to stand up and say hey, okay, so I have something fun that we can do. Let's go direct and let's have our mediums all connect with the same spirit. We weren't prepared, but I love it, because I love it.

April:

So we ended up going direct and I ended up connecting with a woman and I kept seeing her mother standing Like I see them in my daydreamer, I like to call it that's why I'm sacred dreamer. So, um, I kept seeing her mother step forward. So I just started going and like talking about how all of her mom's belongings are packed up in boxes and how she wants them unpacked, and her husband was laughing, sitting in the seat, going like this. But then I would read, and then another medium would read, and then another medium would read the same person, but it's the same spirit and I love that because we read as mediums. We read from life experiences. So if we haven't had an experience in our life that the spirit is trying to bring forward, we can't really relate to it and it can be a lot harder for us to get that message or that image out, if that makes sense, yeah.

Lauren:

That makes so much sense.

April:

When you connect with another medium. They may have that experience of farming you know living and milking the cows, whatever it may be but I don may have that experience of farming. You know living and milking the cows, whatever it may be, but I don't have that experience. So that part, he's going to come out and say it through that medium instead of through me that is so awesome wait do you like seeing.

Lauren:

It's like turning like a I don't know, like a multi-sided crystal or something you see.

April:

See all the different sides of it. It's like turning a radio station channel and just getting like a better, I don't know message.

Frank:

Yeah, you're all tuned to different.

Lauren:

Like a bunch of different angles.

Frank:

Can I throw out a different analogy?

Lauren:

Go ahead, I'm scared.

Frank:

You should be, I mean you guys, I don't know if you know this, but you're a band, you're on tour, you all play different instruments. Your guitarist doesn't play the bass at the same time. You can't do that. Someone else plays the bass for you Exactly, and you're making a beautiful song.

Lauren:

Everyone's filling in the song.

Frank:

Yeah. I love that.

Lauren:

It's really and you're literally on tour. Exactly the person you were reading for must have had. That's such a unique experience. It was like four different mediums, uh there, so we split.

April:

So there was six of us reading at the time and the first three mediums connected with a different spirit for somebody, and then us three. The last three connected with the woman that I was talking about.

Lauren:

That's amazing.

Frank:

Okay, when you're, have you done that again, or is that just that once?

April:

Oh no, I love doing that. So every event, um, we just weren't prepared at the four, one, eight event to do that until she cause we didn't know if we would have time. But Hannah's like no, we're doing it. But she is ADHD as well and squirrely just like me, so I love it.

Frank:

She felt it.

April:

We also do this on Tik TOK, where we give free readings. There's a bunch of mediums and all of us that go live and we will connect to the same spirit. Or then you have multiple spirits, like their whole family starts coming in wow, boy, wow, it's you're.

Frank:

You're hosting interventions from the other side exactly.

April:

Sometimes it feels like it. If your family is loud and obnoxious like before they pass, they're going to be loud and obnoxious when they come through yeah, that's so funny oh, that's fascinating.

Lauren:

The other people um are there. Do they have different clairs from you? Or or are they receiving images, or are they like hearing things? So a lot of this particular the mom packing up the bags, like that story. What were they getting?

April:

um, pretty much every one of us have every clear um. A lot of times for me smell doesn't come forward, but for me I'm like I don't know if I want to smell things.

April:

Yeah, yeah or coffee or something like so for me, I have boundaries with spirit. I'm like I don't know about all that, but yeah, everybody we were. We get a lot of clear audience. So that's, you know, clear hearings. That comes forward. We get the clear clairvoyance which is the vision, which was my daydreamer, my daydreamer, the Claire sentience, the feeling, and the Claire cog is just the knowing For me. Personally. I can't speak for any. You know everybody else exactly how theirs works, but for me it's. I want to tell you how it started for me, because it's crazy how much it's changed For me. When I was, when I was first started, I was getting a lot of clairvoyance and that's where the namesake or dreamer came from. Um, I would be getting a lot of visions, but my vision started off as okay, say I tell you to imagine a red balloon. Can you imagine a red balloon in in your mind's eye?

April:

it used to come in black and white form oh so a lot of the images when I first started were black and white and they would go really fast like a movie that would be on, fast forward, okay. So I would have to be like oh, okay, and I would talk really, really quick. Through development and me expanding my gifts, it slowed down and turned to color now. So now I can see clear colors that come forward and I can take a scene like, say, you see a picture, okay, for example, you see a picture, but you see the close up of the picture, like in your mind's eye. I can zoom out now. So I have taught myself how to zoom back and around the picture to see, like, other things that may be in this and it's a memory or it's spirit showing me that memory. But now I have control over that.

April:

So for me, I get a lot of the uh, the clairvoyance. I'm very clairsentient, so I feel a lot, um, I can feel passing, passing, I can feel like if they had injuries to their shoulder, um, whatever it may be, um, I also have clear audience like and okay, so I have all the Claire's, except I don't like the smelling, um, but the knowing as well. That's really opened up for me over the last year and a half. I get a lot. I call them downloads.

Lauren:

Okay, can I ask you really quickly, claire, claire, knowing, because we were just talking to my dad about this last night he's trying to pay more attention to? He listens to our podcast, hi Dad, and he listened. So he's been trying to pay more attention to his intuition and he's like it just comes into my body. I just like know something and I'm like, well, do you hear it or do you? And then, and then you know that it's true or do you just it just becomes part of you. He's like, oh, it just becomes part of me. So I just sometimes I kind of want to, because I think I I don't know if I have we're still working on it but I don't know if I have the like knowing or if I I don't know if I know the difference between if I kind of like a word pops up in my brain and then I go, oh, it's this or something like that. Um, that was a long road to ask you kind of the difference between clear knowing and clear audience, just for my knowledge knowledge.

April:

So one, if it comes in clear, audiently, it can be in your own voice, in your head, um, and that can come in, um, I think the clear audience and the clear cognizance with the hearing and the knowing, I feel like they can come. They can go together a lot of the times because, for example, think about you're standing there at a counter and you're washing dishes. Okay, you're washing these dishes and you're listening to music and then, all of a sudden, you think about your grandmother, or a thought comes in your head that you think about her at that moment. That is clear, um, clear cognizance coming in. That's the knowing. Because they're around you, they're saying hey, hi, whatever, what's up, you know how you doing, I'm here with you because you're not thinking about them in that moment and they come in Now. Another example would be you're standing there washing dishes but you hear your grandmother say your name.

Lauren:

Okay.

April:

That's the clairaudience. You could hear her in your head as her voice in your head, or you could hear her out loud and knowing that that would be her. But it's very hard to do the claircog with the clairaudience, like how you were saying you don't know if it's Claire Audience. I would say that's more Claire Cognitive for you because of the way that it's coming yeah it feels so hard to separate Claire Cognizance with just ADD right, and then I

April:

thought I was crazy for the longest time. And once I started sorting my files and putting them in drawers because of Spirit helping me and making me realize that I'm that crazy. Once I learned to start setting boundaries with Spirit, all that chatter stopped.

Frank:

How do you do a controlled flow Homies, just one at a time? Is that what's up Like? Like I w I want to connect, but not everybody all the time, kind of thing.

April:

So I set boundaries for myself. Now, at the beginning I didn't set these boundaries, I was not taught that. So, through development, I didn't set these boundaries. I was not taught that. So through development, I had to learn my boundaries. It's so easy, you guys. It's not even funny how easy it is to set these boundaries, but we forget to do it. And you know, it's all about intention in that. So if I set an intention to close off the spirit, I either send them to my waiting room is what I call it oh, we've heard that or I imagine that. I imagine an on and off sign like open, closed, and then me locking the door. So, like I tell everyone, you have to set these boundaries with spirit. Spirit, but it could be anything that you want. You could imagine you closing an app on your phone and that being spirit, like you know, going away. I used to light candles and ask spirit to step forward and then, once I was done reading or, you know, connecting, I would blow out the candles. But it's all about intention.

Frank:

Right. It's so funny because in in my this is the questions we're asking kind of feels like like one of the first 30 episodes of the show, but like it's like we're kind of, uh, getting the the scope a little clearer. Yeah, yeah.

Lauren:

Cause it's stuff that we've like learned about. There's learning it, but then there's also like implementing it, where we've been trying to like work on stuff or pay attention more, pay attention to it, yeah, and as we pay attention, it's like what is that?

Frank:

so they're like, oftentimes, like when I was going through, so sometimes I would. People are gonna think I'm schizophrenic, but I guess that's like a thing people get accused of often. I haven't experienced this a lot lately, but or at all. But when I was, I used to be when I would go to sleep sometimes and I was super tired, I would be constantly woken up by, like, right as I was like entering like a sleep state by someone, what felt like someone looking at me and trying to talk to me, like in my mind's eye, and it would wake me up. I'd be like, ah, stop, and it felt crazy, it was hard to manage and like since we, you know, in the past, since we've been in this work or this work adjacent, we've been I've been like setting up more boundaries, and I'm realizing that that has not happened to me at all. Yeah, right, but I that's what I was asking about this like trickle, flow, flow, like what do I set up? Do I set up a queue?

April:

And I'm like okay, guys, take a number, Just turn the faucet off.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the faucet's off now, but I want the faucet back a little bit and I'm kind of older yeah.

April:

All you have to do is ask spirit, so we have free will. Spirit's not going to step in and your guides aren't going to step in unless you ask. So writing a letter of intention, which is funny. We actually just did this with Embrace Spirit Academy. We just had them write letters to their guides and they're already getting answers from their guides and things are already happening, which is amazing. But you're definitely not schizophrenic, honey, because let me tell you that used to happen to me too.

April:

Okay, yeah, that's so interesting like I would be an adult, hiding under my blanket, trying to cuddle up against my husband because I didn't want to wake him up, because he would think I was crazy. Even though now he knows what I do and he doesn't think I'm crazy, but like, yes, I know exactly what you're talking about okay, it was so.

Frank:

It was so wild. It was wild to experience. I'm like, oh wow, I'm really overtired. My brain is doing these things and now I'm like I don't think that was me, I think that was something else.

Lauren:

I like, right as I'm falling asleep sometimes here it's like I'm walking, walked into a conversation and like I'll hear someone else's voice or something, and I'm like what did I just?

April:

miss. You're psychic, or I'm psychic, because I was literally just about to talk about this to you guys. Oh, really, have you ever been laying in bed and you start hearing like music or people talking like you feel like you're missing a whole conversation. So I love that. You said that. That's funny. That's your clear audience starting to come in that spirit trying to communicate with you, even though you think you're crazy, because it's very easy to think that like, okay, is there? Do I have tinnitus? Is there something going on in my ears? You know what's going on. But when it happens multiple times, that's just spirit trying to raise your vibration and try to get you to connect with spirit oh, that's cool, because then when I start paying attention it goes away and I'm like because we're trying too hard, right yeah?

Lauren:

It's like, right as I'm falling asleep I've just realized this recently where I'm like and I brought it up to you where I'm like I suddenly hear a different voice that's not mine or like you know, maybe two. It'll be like a lady talking. I miss. I hear like a couple of words and I'm like what?

April:

And then like yeah, so when you are about to go to sleep and you're falling into that, you know that sleep you open yourself more because you let go, so spirit has easier access to you, because you're not setting up a boundary, you're more open. So that's why a lot of times, things come in or you feel like somebody's watching you. You're not schizophrenic, it's just your energy is more open when you're like that so, and I believe that every one of us have these abilities. When you're like that so, and I believe that every one of us have these abilities, it's just we forgot how to use them over all these different generations from our family's past, but I'll never forget when my clear audience really started kicking in for me, because I was laying in bed and I pray every night.

April:

whatever you want to call them, god source universe. Sometimes I call him Gus, god universe spirit.

Frank:

So I I love that so much.

Lauren:

That's amazing. That's right up my alley Gus. Oh my God Okay.

April:

I talked to Gus and you know I asked him. You know, in my head it's not out loud Every night I talk. You know I was told that I'm scared of how grateful I am you know if you have any messages for me and all of a sudden I heard Salsa. Like that's real deep, Not my voice, and I'm like looking around my husband's snoring in bed. Salsa, so I haven't wrote down, I think it's salsa or something in that general, in that category. But I looked it up and it felt like it was indian heritage or something from um, you know that. And I looked it up and it said a light bringer, oh what that's a bunch of other stuff.

April:

So like saying that I'm connected with spirit, I'm a light bringer, it's something that was used in this culture, in this heritage. Um, and after that I was shook because I was not. I'm like because I was not. I'm like salsa, what? So, looking it up and finding that out, I was just. I was like, okay, it's real. It's real Cause this was a deep man's voice. It was very loving Salsa. I'm like so was.

Frank:

Do you think that was like a guide, or who do you think that was?

April:

Or do you know now? Yes, I feel like it was a guide. Um, I feel like that they've been guiding me and I feel like it's my guide. Henry is what I call him. He's actually. He's actually a guide. I met um during really deep meditation, um, to the point that he took me back. Remember how I was, was saying I had the NDEs. Yeah, he took me back to that. I don't know if it would be a city, what you would call it. It was so ethereal, so loving. But I was back on that bridge with him and he walked me to the gates. It almost looked like an old castle that was made out of crystal. And he walked me to the uh, to the gates of the. It almost looked like an old castle that was made out of crystal. And he walked me to the gates. Um, I remember seeing people on the side of me and it almost felt like and this is gonna sound crazy, but it almost felt like there were doors on the side, like portals of people walking in and out like through this.

April:

but it's funny that we're bringing this up, because when I'm when I seen Henry in my dream, he was a white deer, ok, that I could telepathically communicate with, and I laughed when he told me his name's Henry. I'm like, oh, that's simple. You know, here's actually an image of what I seen. Here's actually an image of what I seen. Well, this and this showed up on my Pinterest like literally right after my meditation, so I had to turn it out that's awesome.

Lauren:

That's so cool we can put it on our Patreon or something what does Harry Potter do?

Frank:

expecto patronum. Yeah, it says patronus. That's awesome. I just heard patron. What does Harry Potter do? Yeah, um, expecto patronum.

April:

Yeah, this is Patronus, that's awesome, or actually, I just heard Patron.

Frank:

Patron, that's. That's Harry Potter's Patron Shots. Um, that's so rad, that's so rad, that's so beautiful. So you were talking about how we're back when we were talking about how, uh, different red, that's so beautiful. So you were talking about how we're back when we were talking about how different mediums bring different things to. When you're doing, when you're on tour with your band, they bring different things to the, or different clairs, or different senses. They'll have a different skill and they are pulling from life experience. Yeah, um, and that's common for most mediums, probably the. I want to ask you what your typically what life experiences are is spirit using you for, if that makes sense.

April:

Spirit just uses me, man. No, I'm just joking. So my life experiences growing up, I had a very abusive mother. She was not just physically abusive, she was also very emotionally abusive. She really picked. Unfortunately, this also stemmed from her mother, so it was almost like a generational thing. My parents ended up splitting when I was seven, ended up splitting when I was seven. My mom was very abusive to the point of making me bleed, you know, ripping my hair out, things like that. Unfortunately she had a checkered past because of the way she was raised. She came over to the United States from Axford, england, when she was 14. She was married off when she was 14 by her mother. So there was just a lot of trauma, a lot of pain.

April:

My dad I don't want to talk ill of them because I love them, like now today, like we have the best relationship, but it took a lot of work. It took a lot of healing and growing from all sides, not just my side. So I do want to give them respect in that. But my dad was the type of person he cannot be alone. He has to have a woman in his life, someone to help take care of him. I've had a few stepmoms didn't really connect with them. So I have experience with them that my dad ended up becoming an alcoholic. He was an alcoholic before I was born and he got sober and he became an alcoholic again over the years. So there's a lot of work that I've had to put through there. I had a lot of sexual trauma from an uncle of mine who unfortunately deserves to be in prison, but he's not and there was just a lot of experiences.

April:

I had to live with my grandmother when I was 14. Everybody, it felt like everybody left me, if that makes sense. Like my brother he's seven years older than me. He moved to Wisconsin from Ohio, so like I felt like I had to raise myself, like even at my grandmother's house. I had to have common sense at such a young age. And then I met my husband at the age of 14. He's my. I don't know how to to explain it, but when they say love at first sight and like you have that instant connection, like I swear I've had a past with this man. The crazy thing is is that we were both invited to dinner. I was dating a guy named Shane and he was dating a girl named Nicole.

Frank:

Shout out to Shane and Nicole.

April:

They were brother and sister.

Frank:

Oh, interesting.

April:

Yeah, so they were brother and sister. So we got invited to family dinner, you know, and we sat across the table from each other and it was instant. He tells me to this day. He's like I just knew, he's like she's the one in.

Frank:

he tells me even to this day he's like, I just knew he's like she's the one and yeah it. It's so amazing shane and nicole were ever like what the hell just happened oh yes, very much so, and it still, it still hurts my heart.

April:

It still hurts my heart. But uh, you know, actually he went off to college at this time. He was going off to college and we were still friends, Like even after I was dating Roy. He would come and pick me up for lunch and stuff, like if he was home on the weekend from college just to hang out, Because I don't know how, like, we got past everything, but we did, and we just became friends after that and unfortunately I haven't talked to him in a long time, but life be lifin, yeah, yeah.

April:

So I mean, like there's just so many experiences um with family, with um alcoholism, drug issues, um sexual, um sa I must say Things like that, so I have a lot of healing that I had to do for myself.

Frank:

And thank.

April:

God for my husband. And yes, I know what all that feels like and I'll tell you the really bad part of what made me. I moved out when I was 17 and with my husband, my uncle, he ended up moving into my grandparents' house at the time the uncle and I lived.

April:

I lived with my grandparents and he's an alcoholic and if he drinks liquor, I don't know, it's like he turns into a completely different person. He's not a good person anyways, um, to the point that I wasn't staying home because I felt uncomfortable. You know, even as a kid I was very empathetic. I had, I had this sense. I think spirit really helped me through my life with my common sense and almost me having to take on the role of a parent for myself, yeah. But so Roy ended up talking to him one day and he said some very sexual, explicit things about me that he wanted to do to me.

Frank:

Oh my God, Know your audience, your audience, bro. What's wrong with you?

April:

what a weirdo so that right after it happened, he wanted to you know, of course, fight him, but he didn't. Yeah, but he said we're getting your shit and we're leaving. You're moving, wow, roy, to the rescue. He saved me.

Frank:

We're getting your shit and we're leaving, you're moving.

April:

Wow, roy to the rescue. Roy to the rescue, he saved me. Um, you know, we've just had made such an amazing life together and, like I said, it's all divinely connected. I mean his mom being a gypsy, the tarot readings and his whole family being open to it, like yeah. So I believe that spirit really divinely guided me.

Frank:

Thank Gus.

Lauren:

Thank you, Gus oh my goodness, that same joke.

April:

Were you really Through my trauma? Now I can help others and you know it's all about the way that we think about our lives, because I mean, I could be stuck in the past with all yeah, look at you.

Frank:

You're not living out this like narrative of your past at all you're moving forward oh, I broke that generational trauma.

April:

Oh, it's not even happening anymore, and um I've really. But, like I said, I've done a lot of work for myself to get to the point that I am at now and it's one of the hardest things I did. Yeah, and I was afraid I was going to hurt people because of my people pleasing side, but it was one of the best things I've ever did in my life and I highly recommend it for everyone, even though it's hard.

Frank:

I mean, you used your, your the trauma and abuse that happened to you and now it's like a tool in your toolkit for connecting to other people and helping them work through their stuff.

Lauren:

Exactly and you know, like hearing you talk about it, just you can tell that you've done so much work. Because of the way you're, it's like you don't have the attachment to it, like you don't have the attachment to the story and it's not. It's like those are things that happened, but that doesn't define me and you're not like living into your story, which is such a huge part of trauma healing. I learned Reiki at the beginning of this podcast. When we started it, it was like let's see what this is all about. And then it became this huge trauma healing journey for both of us, because I was like, guess what?

April:

You got to heal a bunch of shit if you want, to A bunch of shit that you got to heal. Develop and grow and all that stuff, but you guys dug the shit together because a lot of people don't have that.

Frank:

I know, yeah, we're very, very fortunate.

Lauren:

Yeah, we we recognize that. We're very grateful for each other's support. Beautiful, wow, that's. Thank you for sharing that. That's such a story.

April:

I feel like if my story can help others, then I'm open to saying it because, like you said, I'm not attached to it. Um, it's what molded me into what I am today and I'm grateful for it. Yeah, um, the lessons that we learned throughout our life. Without those lessons, I wouldn't be where I am today and I wouldn't be able to help others the way that I can today. So I'm grateful for the experiences, even the bad ones, because it brought me to here I totally.

Lauren:

I relate to that so much because I've had, like you know, I lost my brother at 22. Like, my parents divorced when I was young, like I experienced infertility and all these things that I'm like if I can't use these experiences to help my friends or help people on our podcast, then like it was all for nothing. You know, like I gotta at least like, like you said, it helps mold you or shape, shape who you are and you learn from those things exactly and I love.

April:

I love who I am and that's something else that I had to learn. Um, it's not like an egoish love. Um, yeah, I just love who I've become and how I can help others. So through the experience, I say, like even anything in tarot, mediumship, psychism, any spiritualist, anything once you start walking into it and you open that door, your trauma healing is going to start.

April:

Because in order to connect with any of that, you have to work on yourself and unfortunately, in the way society has raised a lot of us, we hold back our emotions and then we don't know how to navigate those emotions. So learning to navigate it as an adult is something that we should have been taught as children. Because a saying that I've heard and I love this from Mel Robbins, I absolutely love her she says that a lot of adults are still eight years old in an adult body. Yeah, so you look at, say, someone say there's a man and he gets upset at his wife and he starts stomping around or throws her the silent treatment. That's something an eight-year-old would do, but that's because they weren't taught how to receive that emotion. Sit in that emotion instead of just reacting on it, yeah, so, yeah, it's just totally the gateway of everything.

Lauren:

Yes, working through it as it comes. We're like always because of what we've learned with our seven year old, who's got big emotions. It's always like, OK, let's talk through this. Let's like work through this process, feel the emotions and now let's figure out how to deal with it and process it.

April:

You know, and you know that's actually another thing for me my son, my oldest, jordan. He was diagnosed ADHD hyperactivity at the age of five, with OCD tendencies. It was very hard as a mother to raise and to find the patience, because with raising a child like that, you have to find that patience within yourself. Um, and you know, unfortunately, throughout school, he's big football player, big um into weightlifting, all this such a good kid, very smart, 4.2 gpa, um, like amazing. But he went through bullying at school and, um, that was one of the hardest points of my life.

April:

That is one of the points of my life that I can say like that wants to bring those emotions up for me, just because of how hard it was and this was only two years ago for me um, he, he went through suicidal, he suicidal tendencies. He tried to act on it at one point. So, going through that as well and still having faith, you know, like with spirit, with dust, I just remember praying and this him getting me through it. And now, since this was middle school, and now since he's been in high school, I'm telling you it's complete 360. He's so smart, he's, you know, athletic. He's got all these friends. Like what that experience taught me how easy it could be gone.

Frank:

Yeah. So let me ask you this is going to sound like I'm going into parenting advice, but there's a bigger, there's a bigger story here how do you manage so when you have a child who's getting bullied right, you are and you're trying to coach them through that, but the the thing that's occurring to them is still very active, right? So you you're basically get to only coach from a on the victim side and you have a severe lack of control, which is, like, as a parent, one of the most frustrating things that you can deal with, because you yeah, how, how did you? How did you work through that? Specifically, and for people who don't have children, this is about controlling things that are not in your control through a child so well.

April:

Police report one um, there's a few advice.

April:

I like that yeah, yeah, police report. Um, don't fight the principal, even though you want to right now like, oh my gosh, and it was her son that was doing it. To my son, no, her son and a group of more. So it was a nightmare. That's why there was police reports involved. That's why there was almost me wanting to fight her in front of the cast in the gymnasium, but I kept my cool because I had to be there for my son. So those old high school me taking my shoes off and my earrings off is gone.

Frank:

Square up, square up.

April:

The cop was laughing because I'm like you really gonna let her do this, but anyways, just being there for him.

April:

Just being there for him, having patience with him, not trying, I hate to say it, but not like overly parenting, because I found out once I would start like giving my advice or you know, this needs to happen on this that just gave him more anxiety. So, just knowing that I love him, that I'm here for him, that we're going to get through this together, no matter what, um, and giving him space even though it's one of the hardest things that I could have done at that time, um, because leaving him alone scared the, the G, scared everything out of me, like that's the biggest fear. Um, and finding that trust again within him, um. But once I started giving him the space and stopped dwelling on the past or just and honestly, I took him out of therapy. I had him in therapy. He did not want to be in therapy whatsoever. He was seeing a few different therapists. He didn't want to talk, didn't want to communicate.

April:

For him, what worked for him was taking him out of it and not making him forced to do it. And knowing that I'm here for him, he started really getting into athletics and lifting and his grades. So he found other things for him to really help him on his path and I'm going to be honest, his football coach, mr Griswold, is one of the best people I have found for him in my life. Uh, he really helped him through all of the emotions that he was trying to hide and really gave him what like a team is about, um, and really just helped him mentally through it. Like, uh, he has I forget what the class is called, but they go through all the emotions and how to control and how to navigate the waters of emotions.

April:

So that really yeah, he helped save my son.

Frank:

Honestly, that's amazing. Mr Griswold might be bad at taking his family on vacation, but he's a great coach.

Lauren:

Oh, good grief, Frank.

Frank:

You can't just say Griswold in my space and not have me think of Clark Clark.

Lauren:

I'm sorry for all that you went through. That's really really challenging and like a nightmare, and thank you again for sharing that. That's If I can help anyone, yeah.

Frank:

So, if I can distill a little bit and tell me if I'm taking this is the wrong takeaway, it it seems like because I'm trying to relate this to people who have kids, but also people really what it comes down to is, it seems like, especially when, when kids are being bullied or when you are bullying yourself over the circumstances, it comes back to that narrative, right, you're having people try and tell you who you are and then also, like it was really interesting when you said you took him out of therapy, because at a certain point you have this hyper focus and it becomes your entire story. You're focusing on it so much, yeah, when, like, a couple of jerks at school are just, it's just one scenario and that's not even real life, right.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

You got your son into a different environment where, like this, is a completely different story, this is a completely different narrative and has nothing to do with those, those people. And now he's getting to like kind of chase his own, his own story, writing it the way he wants and the idea.

April:

Find out they're on the football team with oh wait oh yeah, so even when, um, but he has also found his voice and stood up for himself. He's six foot two. He weighs like 215 pounds. He's almost holy cow he's only 16 and he worries about hurting somebody like he's. Like mom. I know that I could protect myself, but I don't want to hurt anybody and I'm like I love you and you are most definitely my son because yeah what a guy he's a real couple of you and roy.

Lauren:

I mean from everything I know about roy as well. What a family here's Roy.

Frank:

Look at Roy. That's a million dollar smile right there.

April:

That's my honey. That was a little while ago.

Frank:

That's awesome, you guys are so cute.

Lauren:

I love that.

Frank:

I was going to say also that idea of you know, just because someone says something about you or because you say something about yourself, doesn't make it true right, I mean the, the real lesson and all that is that, like whether whether you're, whether your bullies are external or internal, it's, they're still like defining you in a way you don't want yeah and that's you know that's even worse when you have the internal bullies as well on top of it oh, yeah, right you have to rewire that thought, rewire that brain um negative thoughts bring on negativity in your life and I've had to learn that.

Frank:

Yes, yeah, yeah yeah, it's funny because also there is something to like I don't know how to vocalize it properly, but like you need to. I don't want to say you can't like run away from your problems, right, but you can create new environments where you actually thrive instead of are just surviving, right, and that's what seems what. What happened here?

April:

yeah so yeah sometimes a few you have to look at it too, um, from every perspective, not just the negative one. So for me that's how my brain works like, okay, this happened, but what positivity came out of it, what growth came out of it? Um, and I think that really helps me with just navigating life and my emotions, because I can look at all the different perspectives right.

Frank:

I mean, look what growth came out of your, your traumas, like you're an amazing person out there helping people. Now it's just more tools.

April:

If you get through the pain, you get more tools in your toolkit exactly, exactly how cool is that everybody man, I wasn't expecting such a such a deep trauma healing conversation this is something that I honestly want to help others with, so I'm becoming a spiritual life coach at the moment um learning so yeah, so I'm gonna be certified in that soon and that's something that I want to offer, because I want people to have a safe space to talk about it and not be judged.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah, it's a big deal. Well, while we're at it, why don't you give everybody your plugs and tell them where to find you? And then I'm going to hold on to you for a second just so I can hear that NDE story, and we're kind of over time, but I want to hear the story anyway and maybe I'll release it like separately or something. I don't know if that's okay with you.

Lauren:

Yeah, that's perfectly fine, we have a Patreon. We like to put little extra bits on there.

April:

So I love it. So you can find me. I go, I'm on TikTok. How this all started for me with my and now I have a website. All this it was during COVID.

April:

You know, I wasn't really in TikTok before COVID and then I met so many amazing people, um, through TikTok, like I said, they're my soul family. Now I mean, I travel across the country for these people. So how do I do that for my own family? Um, but yeah, so TikTok is where it started and I go on there and I do free readings. A lot of times there's me and other mediums or psychics on there, tarot readers. So that's where I started and that's where you can find me, because a lot of other social media, like Insta and all that, it's really hard to go live from there and like with multiple people and I like to bring people up in the box when I give them free readings so I can hear your voice, I can see you. We can really. Um, I'm also uh, I'm also a teacher through embrace spirit academy. Um, I'm the co-owner of it with my good friend, psychic medium reggie. He's amazing, he's my tech guy just saying like you said that he's my tech guy, yes, so we have embraced spirit academy.

April:

We offer psychic mediumship development, because you can be psychic and not a medium. So you cannot be a medium and not be a psychic. You have to learn um all that. So there's development sundays and tuesdays, and um, then we also have sound bowl healings meditations on wednesdays with our good friend rose. She's also a part of the artistry of mediumship tour as well. Um, and then I have my website, which is sacreddreamersimdefcom, which is on your guys' links. Cool, yeah, we'll put it in the show notes Great.

Frank:

And you know what.

April:

I have an event coming up. Let me just make sure of the date because this was just announced and it's free. So if anyone is wanting to develop their psychic mediumship abilities, we're having an open house through Embrace Academy, so it's absolutely free. Come in and check it out. Um, I know a lot of people have a lot of fear um coming into development. Um, because of judgment. We make sure that it's a judgment-free space and it we love notes, get a yes because that's going to teach you that you're not in the flow of spirit and it's going to teach you to get those yeses. So we're just really big on just feeling safe and feeling not judged and just having fun with exercises and other things. So it is going to be April 26th at 2 pm Eastern Standard Time and that's free. You can find all the links in my bio at TikTok and through here, I think, right.

Lauren:

Yes, is that in person or on Zoom? It's on Zoom.

April:

Cool. So yeah, that's how all of our classes are held is over Zoom, and you know we're just expanding. We just had our one-year anniversary with it. And it's been been so amazing and I'm just. I couldn't be happier where I am in life and so grateful just to help other people and see how how far they've come along their journeys, and watching that unfold in front of my eyes is amazing.

Frank:

April. Thank you so much for coming and talking to us today.

Lauren:

This was so much fun. Thank you so much, it was amazing. You, today, this was so much fun. Thank you so much, it was amazing you guys are so sweet.

April:

Have a great day bye.

Frank:

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