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071: Trusting Flow and Living in Harmony // with Banah Winn

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What happens when you completely surrender to your intuition? Banah Winn shares his remarkable journey from stoic indie rock musician to intuitive healer and creator of transformative "Harmony" events.

During the isolated days of the pandemic, Banah developed a pragmatic system for testing and trusting his intuition. By methodically tracking the physical sensations accompanying his impulses and their outcomes, he discovered his body was offering guidance about future events, not just reacting to past experiences. This revelation led him to fundamentally restructure his life around intuitive flow.

After years performing with an indie rock band, Banah now leads "Harmony" events – holistic, intuitive concerts where audience intentions guide the entire experience. These gatherings transform into collective flow states where, as Banah describes, "the whole crowd turns into a flock of birds and you can't really tell who's leading."

Whether you're curious about developing your intuition, breaking free from limiting patterns, or finding more authenticity in your creative expression, this conversation offers practical wisdom from someone living these principles daily. 

To learn more about Banah or to book a session with him:

Visit: https://linktr.ee/banahwinn

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Lauren:

Hello, in this episode, frank and I chatted with Bona Nguyen, an intuitive healer and musician. We talked about how he created his own path to developing his intuition, going on tour with his harmony events, and how powerful it is to set a core intention in anything you do. I'm Lauren Leon and I'm a hustler baby, oh boy. We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition, and this is episode 71 of Claire Voyaging. Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging.

Frank:

What's going?

Lauren:

on everybody, hey guys.

Frank:

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Lauren:

Now just say it yeah, telepathically send us your oh you don't say, oh, paul's coming through.

Frank:

That's great to hear, paul.

Lauren:

Thank you paul bunyan mr bunyan that's the only paul that I think of yes, we've tapped into paul bunyan, energy yeah, it's big god, hi guys what's going on? Hey, guess what frank, what we got. A new patreon friend say what carmen hey yo thank you, carmen the patreon party that's so nice.

Frank:

Welcome to it yeah, thank you I hope we don't, disappoint.

Lauren:

Too late for that. Yep, they've been listening for far too long for us to be apologetic. Oh man, you guys. Just a reminder we're fundraising for our documentary and also we want to say thank you to Seth, seth, my Seth, your Seth, yeah, seth, yeah, all right, thank Seth. Yeah, seth, yeah, all right, thank you, seth.

Frank:

Thank you, Seth.

Lauren:

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Frank:

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Lauren:

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Frank:

Write that for you are you sure I mean the second? You started saying it. I could tell you're like, oh no, this is unnatural of course it is.

Lauren:

But you know what guys? Lauren gpt wrote that it's true, though.

Frank:

It's true, though, and it's very exciting that we have this right true poor drew is just getting called out.

Lauren:

Every single episode. Now enthusiasm, let's go okay, on to bana. I think you're going to be inspired by bana's story and how I was he, he lives in the flow, like that's kind of just where he wants to be, which I am very inspired by yeah he was telling us how he kind of set up like a process for himself to develop his own intuition, like a system, and I think that's very cool.

Frank:

You know that scary zone that you always want to live in, but you're like you plan around it so much and you're like this isn't really flow. Bona has learned how to beat in it all the time. Yeah, and he's bringing it to other people and maybe to a stage near you. Want to know more?

Lauren:

Oh yeah, keep listening, friends.

Frank:

Also we, oh yeah.

Lauren:

Keep listening, friends. Yeah, Also we you know, this was the first person that we interviewed that said before we start, do you want to set a core intention for this conversation? Yeah, and we were like, yeah, that's awesome, let's do that.

Frank:

And you know what? We all went around, we said it You'll hear it. And mission accomplished.

Lauren:

Yeah, and you'll hear it. And mission accomplished. Yeah and uh, you'll hear that before we even like introduce him, so yeah, and then you'll hear me try to plan around it yeah and literally be the opposite of yeah I biffed it from the go, so watch me learn yeah, that's. That's what's so fun about having just different guests from all walks of life, and we learn every single time we talk to somebody new. I hope you do too.

Banah:

Yeah.

Lauren:

And with that send it twinkle, twinkle, little friend, nope, nope. And with that up, up and away.

Banah:

I think I think my one thing is we don't have to do it, but I always like to. So I tend to like live my life totally in flow, but at the beginning of like a meeting or container, I always like to set a core intention and then have that be the guiding light of it. So so maybe I ask you guys like like, what would your core intention be as a result of, of our time together? Oh, that's fun.

Lauren:

I love that.

Frank:

I like that too.

Lauren:

No one has asked that or or set that at all. They're like we're in the seventies with our episode now. Episode numbers now and yeah, that's so great.

Frank:

Well then, okay, so why don't we have usually we haveuren introduced, like who you are, and then ask you, or I guess in this case we can just be like mention that that we might want to do a core intention thing, and then, and then we'll go into like keep that in there, and then yeah, yeah I'll keep this in there yeah, keep the thing of like.

Lauren:

Before we start.

Frank:

We have a core, core intention oh okay, oh okay, sure, I guess I'm overthinking it. That's what.

Lauren:

I do, and then we'll launch into tell us tell your backstory. Um what do you have?

Frank:

any did anything just come to mind Core intention. I would love for people to have a better understanding of who you are authentically and like what you feel, like you bring to the world through your own personal experience even if that means that there were some difficult times in there and and how you are either working out of that or where you've ended up. So just so I can learn from from your experience yeah, I'm.

Lauren:

I'm always finding like inspiration in other people's stories. So, and even just you saying like you live your life in flow, I'm like what does that mean? So I'd love a core intention of like understanding what that means and how like I or other people can potentially kind of find that in their own lives.

Banah:

I love it, I think, I think, uh, I know my core intention is to is to is to learn too, and and to speak and have a conversation in a way where I learn, you guys learn, and the audience also gets to learn, and we all get to grow together and do it in a way that is really um, where everyone you two and me and everyone who watches gets to feel uplifted by the end.

Lauren:

That's my intention yes love it okay, that's fantastic.

Banah:

Thank you for doing that, yeah, that's really fun like that's so great and now we just get to have fun with that. Yeah, we're just like jumping right in.

Lauren:

Okay, well then, with that, Bona, welcome to our show. Claire Voyaging Yay, we're so happy that you're here. Give us a little backstory, Give us some info about how you got into what you're doing now.

Banah:

Ah okay, where do I start what you're doing now? Ah okay, where do I start? I've been a lifelong musician and, um, I've also always been, I guess, very like sensitive in a way. Um, so, like the beginning part of my life, I was very stoic and I just shoved it all down. Um fact, I I was, uh, so I grew up with, uh, I had hippie parents, but I did not grow up religious and I, and my rebellion from my hippie parents was to be like more normal really, oh my god okay, because you know the 70s, they'd already taken it so far and I was like, well, I'm gonna rebel against that and I have to be like, try to be like normal and fit in yeah

Banah:

and so I was very fiercely agnostic and didn't believe in anything spiritual or anything like that. Um, I was a musician, lived in la for about 12 years, total indie kid, um, yeah, and then it had basically like a what I call spiritual awakening when I lived in LA and it it really just opened me up to the idea of well, something that I had always been fascinated with is the idea of intuition, and that it didn't have to be this like crazy thing. It could be really grounded and pragmatic. And it actually started during covid, when there was nothing else to do. Uh, I started to test intuition, um, because I I originally was I came across abraham hicks and I didn't like understand what she was saying.

Banah:

I didn't really get it, but like something in me me like was like whoa, this feels really different than anything else I've ever felt, and, of course, at that time there was nothing to do. So and also, like you know, we were all going through a lot of changes. I was, you know, kind of going through an introspective, very deep introspective process at the point, and I remember her saying that like what you feel can also be in anticipation to what is to come, not just a reaction to what had happened, and at that point in my life I identified as someone who basically had zero emotional intelligence. My emotions just completely ran the show and I didn't know how to navigate them or understand them. They just were like these controlling entities, and so the idea that these things that I was feeling, that were so strong, could also be giving me information on what was going to come, as opposed to just a reaction to the crap I'd already been through, I was like, no way, I don't believe it. But then I was like, well, I might as well test it and find out.

Banah:

So I devised my own system to test it and find out, which essentially was like every time you get an impulse or an inspiration to do something, it's correlated with a feeling or emotion in the body, and so I started to log those just in my own mind, like, oh, I should go to the store and I feel this feeling in my chest right there, and then I would go, and then I'd like run into someone I knew and it would be very like synchronistic and magical, and I'd be like, oh, okay, the next time I get impulse and I get that feeling, maybe I'm going to follow it and they do it again and the same result would happen.

Banah:

Okay, I can trust that one. Or, like you know, you get like I should go on this night, walk around my neighborhood and walk down this dark street and I'm like that's a weird feeling in my stomach and then had like a face to face with a coyote and like chase me down the block. I don't think they're really dangerous, but it was like at the time the feeling was really scary and I was like, okay, next time I get that feeling.

Banah:

Feeling it means don't do that, stop whatever you're doing if a rabbit started chasing me, I would run too, so I think it's more about the four legs than anything so point being is, I started to test it and then one thing led to another and and I basically just went full in on it and I was like, oh, I could just live my whole life this way, um, and everything could just be synchronistic and magical. And that led me to living in. I left LA and I lived in Sedona for about a year and I worked at the two top psychic centers there. I'd never done psychic readings and I just walked into both of them. I especially had this like idea and manifestation where I was like, well, if they're psychic, shouldn't they just know, and I should not have to job interview? And that happened with the one that I worked at for nine months, which is like the top psychic center in Sedona, if not the country.

Banah:

Um the owner said I'm psychic and she's legit psychic. She was the first psychic in Sedona. She built the whole industry there. Psychic, and she's legit psychic. She was the first psychic in Sedona, she built the whole industry there. She said I like you, I like your energy, you're gonna work here. And then, when a room opened up, I ended up in the in the room, which is funny enough. That was the only room I had ever gotten a reading, a psychic reading, in ever in my life and I ended up. The guy moved out of that room and it ended up becoming my room. Um, yeah, so that?

Lauren:

was kind of a crazy story, yeah, yeah.

Banah:

And then that led to um. Music got sort of integrated back in that process. You know, throughout the whole thing, and I created this idea called harmony, which is basically like a call, like a holistic concert or you could call it like a conscious sing along, um, but it's basically, you know, three pillars it's improvisation, music and a completely collective experience. And so I have my guitar and I start and I've done it with groups, you know, as small as just a few people to like. The biggest one I did was about 150 people, just me and my guitar, and obviously like had an amplifier too. But and the same thing, how we started, you know, this meeting is I. The only format I have is is have everyone sit down, just call themselves setting an intention, and then you read into everyone's intentions in the group.

Banah:

But if it's a really big group, obviously people don't need to say it one by one, but I can feel the intention of the group and then, I just tune in and the channel comes through and basically their intention becomes the guiding light for every micro decision that gets made for the next hour to an hour and a half and it's just a complete and utter flow state, and the best ones like it feels like the whole crowd turns into a flock of birds and you can't really tell who's leading, but like everything is perfect and working perfectly and and it actually becomes like a, you know, a sober but psychedelic experience because, like the consciousness in the room raises so much through just play, like just having fun and just being free, um, that people feel like they've they've had these like sort of like multidimensional experiences and you know, incredible healing experiences just through like singing and dancing around and being silly and making sounds and moving our bodies and and and that's it. So I, so I toured the country um last year for about six months, um, and talk about leap of faith. It was just one after another with with no plan, and I did three tours and about 55 shows, um, and then and then that ended about last Thanksgiving and I've just been chilling and grounding since then, kind of focusing on doing things online before I go out and do my next stint, but but at some point it will probably be next year I want to do, I want to do a year where I do like 200 in a year, like, really like, really, really, really go for it, um, so that's, that's like, that's like in the back of my mind. This this might not be the year. I might still try to do like a hundred in the second half of this year, um, but it's something I'm really dedicated to building, cause it's it the building, because it's it's such a collective healing thing. So, um, and then I guess the last thing I'll say is because I've also brought that online, um, I've started an online community and so it's where people can get that sort of experience that they get in person, that they get from online community.

Banah:

And I also started teaching, uh, what I call like a belief breakthrough. So I, throughout all my years, I developed this process to help break subconscious beliefs, because which was incredibly important for me, especially if I was going to go make these like what seemed like crazy dreams happen Because to go from like at the beginning of last year, like I felt afraid to even play an open mic for some reason, I just was like, like very shut down to doing 55 of these and like just driving all over the country. It took so much like breaking limiting beliefs, breaking fear, breaking fear, breaking fear. So I developed a really simple process, um, that I also teach other people to do that, and um, because the, the events are very completely intuitive driven. My life is completely intuitive driven.

Banah:

I also teach intuitive and psychic development too, because I much rather teach people how to tune into their own compass and their own awareness, as opposed to just like doing readings and being like in four days, blah, blah, blah, it's going to happen. It's like, um, the classic. Yeah, I don't really feel that anymore. So, yeah, that's it. That's. That's kind of the gist of it.

Lauren:

I have so many questions and I love, I love all, I love all of this.

Frank:

Let me make a comment really quick. Yeah, I'll let I'll unleash you. I just want to say like no-transcript I appreciate that.

Banah:

I think, like the, the, the details of it are well, they're miraculous and they're wonderful. But the one thing I've I wanted to get really good at and of course I'm still working on is like how good can I be at constantly moving into the unknown and trusting, and how relaxed can I feel doing it? And that's, it's still a challenge. So I would just like push. Last year I pushed my edges like as hard as possible. Um, yeah, and it was. It was really miraculous and wonderful and yeah.

Lauren:

So like the the more you keep questioning that, I imagine like the more you learn. Because I don't know. I feel like staying in that the comfort zone, or like the safety net and not branching out, like you're never going to expand or grow or learn, but I love how you're just like let's see what happens. Every day, every moment over and over and over again.

Banah:

That's really cool and seeing like how it's interesting, because like it I mean it certainly wasn't a stress-free experience like yeah, because everything.

Frank:

What was your like strategy for staying calm during while you were pushing yourself?

Banah:

uh, I meditate a lot and um and also like, especially last year, I like I basically did all this with with no pragmatic safety net, um, and no plan B, and a lot of times like it, everything feel, everything felt like it was like down to the wire. It was like it kind of it, kind of it kind of felt like maybe like a little more dramatic than how I want to live my life now. And this winter, this winter, I've been like like, okay, we could just like take it easy. Man, it was kind of seeing how far I could push it. Um, yeah, I don't like the word push, but like but how how much I could extend trust.

Banah:

And when I look back on it and if I just write down the magical things that would happen, because when I go out on tour, it would be like I wouldn't even have the whole tour booked.

Banah:

I wouldn't even know where I was going to go sometimes. And like sometimes, within like three days I go from like no shows, like I wouldn't have any shows booked, all of a sudden then I'd have like 10 and then I have a whole route wrapped up and then I'd be like, oh no, there's this gap and I don't know where to go that day. And then someone would just like text me and be like, do you want to come to the city? You can stay for three days. And so it would just be like. It was just like, and I would just end up in like very high vibe, like spiritual environment after another, like wouldn't know I was gonna sleep that night, and someone would be like here's my meditation room and like all the like you know, yogananda and babaji, and like all the masters would be on the wall and I'd be like, okay, I guess that's the frequency I'm in.

Lauren:

That's so great wait what?

Frank:

just out of curiosity, like what were you using to try and book shows? Like what was what's your, your medium, your medium?

Banah:

different word on the show just mostly through friends and network and sometimes like rarely like Facebook groups, or yeah, I'm trying to think, yeah, it would just be like one thing would lead to another, like the first show came from. I had actually decided I was going to move to Austin, texas, and I was there for two months and then my savings ran out and I had a choice which is either like go and get a normal job and then like stay in Austin. But I was like, oh, but I really want to tour. And I was like, well, that doesn't make any sense. You just ran out of money. You're going to go on tour and take this huge risk right now. And and what happened, is I like on that same day, um, I had a, a friend, hit me up and he's like, oh, I got to connect you with this guy in Berkeley, california, and we did, and the guy had like so much excitement to him. And it turns out later on, later on, it's just like totally his personality about everything.

Banah:

That's funny and it like snowballed, like really fast until like within an hour conversation to be like okay, I'm coming to berkeley, we're doing a show there on this date, and I was like okay, I was like I guess I gotta see if I can book a tour around that. And I just sent out a bunch of messages, like the people I'd known in other cities, and and I just got yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And that started the first one. And then you know, and then I just kind yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And that started the first one. And then, you know, and then I just kind of rolled from there.

Frank:

It was yeah how are you pitching this performance? Um, I promise I'll stop asking weird, boring questions in a minute. How did I pitch the performance? I?

Banah:

I well, I guess my pitch has developed over time, um, but it's called harmony. I call it like a conscious sing along, yeah, okay, so like non, non dogmatic, conscious sing along. You know, people want to get the same feeling at church, but like there's, I'm not like anti-religion, it's just like it could just be, for if you, you know, if you are in a church, then it's for you. If you're not, still for you, we're just. We're just going to worship joy and like be like big kids and have a good time and and also like if the group is like really heavy, and down then then we're going to heal some shit.

Lauren:

Are you singing your songs? Are you singing like well-known songs?

Banah:

No, it's all original. Yeah, I do a lot of call and response to the crowd.

Lauren:

Oh, okay.

Banah:

Okay, yeah, original, yeah, I do a lot of call and response. Teach it to the crowd. Oh, okay, okay, yeah, so, so everything is meant to be um, basically you could just do it on the spot, like this, like the songs I've written for this, I have a bunch of like fastballs that if I need a thing at a certain spot I can do it, like I have. You know, I have one song that I know like I could take, you know, people from still to like jumping up and down and like screaming kind of thing and get them super hype. It takes about like it takes about five minutes and it doesn't take any explanation, like that was. That was the whole thing about. About it is that I wanted it to be a flow. I didn't want to.

Banah:

I actually invented it in LA and I was going to a lot of different like events, or people call them like containers, and at the beginning people would I'd be like, okay, I went to this event and then they spent 30 minutes explaining what we're going to do and we spent 15 minutes doing it and then we spent 45 minutes talking about what we just did and like for me, who likes to do things like it would drive me nuts and like for me, who likes to do things like it would drive me nuts.

Banah:

Yeah, and so so, so, like I did. You know, maybe I talk a little bit more now, but I I took the other end of the equation, which I was like welcome everyone, I have no idea what's going to happen. Let's set our intention and start. We would start and then, like the songs are like it's call and response here. Here's the line blah, blah, blah. I am a light, and you guys would be like I am a light. So it's like super easy to to catch on to and it's like it doesn't take a lot of effort on the, the audience's part, and then people feel safe and yeah, that's so great.

Lauren:

How, how much do you find that there's like a timidness in the crowd? Or are these people showing up like I'm pumped, I'm?

Banah:

ready to sit with you by group, so group by group, and it's always. It's always like a beautiful puzzle I get to uncover, because when I first started them in santa monica, it was like the group of people that came to the first one. They were so open and so like like they're still out of any audience I've ever had in the country. The first ones that I did were like the craziest and like the loudest and like the, and then, um, yeah, I've had other ones where, like you know, you get maybe it's not a big group and people feel really shy to sing and so you find a way and then maybe it turns into a bit more of a healing kind of thing or the complexity of a group.

Banah:

When you have half the group that just wants to go for it and then the other half, that's like and finding a way to bring ever. That happened to me a number of times and those actually can be the most fun because then if you can get both groups to agree and like and then everyone comes up together, then, like the party at the end, when, like, the people who didn't feel like they were included now feel included, it's like exponentially awesome and satisfying as a facilitator, to like get it all to come together that's gotta be so you're very you're using your intuition to really tap into the like collective energy of the group that's in front of you and really like that's yeah, that's everything.

Banah:

You just I'm literally that's like we did in the beginning set the intention and I just feel, my feel, my way to the result.

Frank:

How fun is that.

Lauren:

Yeah, that's, that's, that's awesome.

Lauren:

So, like just going back to your like intuition system that you created when you were first kind of like I'm going to test this out Um, have you found you said you felt a specific feeling like in your chest where you were like I'm going to go to the store or whatever, and then a specific feeling like in your stomach that maybe felt. Was it like more of that's kind of like a sick feeling or that's like a? I don't like that feeling Is there? Have you now like figured out what like the specific parts of your body that are like a map to your intuition?

Banah:

yeah, and the deeper I go, the more like nuanced it becomes because, even though you know we live in a world of, like, great ups and great downs, there's everything in between, and so, uh, one thing I realized is, like a lot of times it's not as clear as as like yeah Versus like no, yeah.

Banah:

There's a lot of like complex structures and especially when you're dealing with other people like intentions and and not even intentions, but sometimes it's like you can. Dealing with other people like intentions and and not even intentions, but sometimes it's like you can you can feel like it's really hard for things to be compartmentalized completely, so so I um yeah, I've just gotten a lot better at at, at reading like the nuances and then making decisions based on like um. Does this feel like more of a yes than more of a no? You know kind of thing Cause sometimes something starts out like I've actually noticed.

Banah:

This is kind of interesting. That um, and you guys can do this too is like if you ever try to make a decision, you can be like how? I would ask myself like how will I feel if I do this? Like option a, and then I'll close my eyes and then you just feel in your body and your body will basically give you a linear journey feeling. So like if it just immediately feels amazing and continues to feel amazing, then that means like the whole journey of that experience will be that if in the beginning you feel kind of like like nervous and tense, but then there's a really big relief at the end and it feels wonderful, then it means like there might be some challenge as you initially move into that experience, but then the actual result or the learning you get is like that is the, the essence of the experience you have there, kind of thing.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Banah:

Does that make sense? Yeah?

Lauren:

We've talked recently, Frank and I, about a sacral yes or a sacral no. We've been learning about human design, yeah yeah, yeah, are you guys generators? We're both manifesting generators.

Banah:

Oh, cool Nice.

Lauren:

Yeah, both manifesting generators, oh, cool, nice, yeah, um, but yeah, that idea of like just but paying more attention to like what my, how my body is responding to a situation, a decision, whatever it is like just, how does this feel? Yeah, so, if I let it settle for a second, is my answer no because of fear, or is it no because this does not feel right or whatever?

Frank:

or the complicated version of my head is saying yes and my heart is saying no. How do you navigate that? Because I'm very heady, so it's been very interesting. So, hearing you and explain your experience, um, like you know, without putting words in your mouth, it almost sounds like you're you were diving into what feels like an emotional premonition of like things to come yeah, I mean you could call it that, but I think that's happening to all of us all the time.

Banah:

Yeah, because things are. People talk about gut feeling.

Banah:

That's what it is yeah, it's, it's a witnessing of building energy and that and that like came back to my fundamental understanding about intuition or psychic abilities or anything like that is.

Banah:

It all comes down to that, um, like the idea that and you know, quantum physics is is now proving this, that everything in reality is energy, and so that our and our joe dispensa talks about this, like, our linear reality is actually more of a dimensional reality, and so, um, things work in momentums, and so the bigger the momentum, the more signs you get, and emotion is often one of the first signs, and so what we're feeling is a resonance building within us or within us, and correlated and matched by reality and experience.

Banah:

And so the further along that trail of resonance we get, the louder it gets, the bigger the signs get, and so that's why it really, I mean, it pays to be able to listen to these kind of things, because it can be preventative, but it also can, on the flip side, it can encourage us to move into the unknowns, the unknowns being the details, like, like, for me, if I know the essence of an experience, is going to feel like really loving and like relief and wonderful, and like euphoric. I care as much about exact, exact, the exact details in there, right? No, no, because it's going to like hold the essence of probably at least one, if not a lot of different aspects of things that are like that I personally like really enjoy, because it's because it's only logical that if it's like really euphoric and wonderful, that would include things that I enjoy and that also other people like you know that we are meeting on that, on that, in that type of experience, like in that type of exchange and so and and and learning.

Banah:

This doesn't mean that like I've prevented myself from having any contrast in my life, but it's also like I think it also gives like a better understanding where you, where I kind of just see everything as a thread and still sometimes like have to get big enough where they like they manifest and it's like something unpleasant that manifests and and instead of being oh no, I'm getting bent out of shape. I'd be like, okay, that happened. What can I learn from it? And is is it big enough for my brain to understand what my part in that is? The faster I can understand what my part in that is and why I'm unknowingly choosing it through belief, and this is really why I started. The belief process is like what do I believe? You're talking about the different parts of yourself. Maybe the heart wants this and the sacral wants this, because our physical vessel is is like, um, yeah, I guess IFS talks about this. Like there's all these different parts, so old beliefs get stored in the body like memory capsules.

Banah:

That's why sometimes, when people are manifesting, they have so much trouble. They'd be like I am this, I am this, I I'm this, but then, like the heart, deep in the heart, there's like a belief they don't believe or that they don't know. That's like putting out the signal that's the opposite and the opposite thing keeps happening. That's why maybe your sacral feels one way, but then the heart feels different ways, because there's beliefs stored in the different parts of body.

Banah:

So, um, essentially what this does is like you're able to look at the reflections and things are coming into your life or coming into my life, and and learn from them faster and be like okay, what's my part in this? And and it's giving me more confidence too, even if something feels like kind of I can't tell, if it's like kind of uncomfortable or it's good, sometimes I'll just be like I'm just going to make it bigger, because if I make it bigger, I'm going to figure out what it is quicker, and it's kind of like you kind of like rip the bandaid off. Then you don't want to do that. I don't want to do it like all the time, because I still want to, you know, enjoy myself. But if a theme comes up.

Banah:

It's like I don't have to shy. You know, if you shy away from it and like resist it, it's going to get bigger anyways. So you might as well just be like, okay, let's lean into this, let's see what happens. All right, universe, give me the reflection, put me in a situation or whatever. You know, that's not too crazy. And then I guess you go, oh, oh, wow, okay, no, I really feel that. Okay, now I'm very clear that that's what's happening with me.

Banah:

What do I believe is true about myself? Oh, I believe that I'm not safe to explore this one aspect of my life or something like that. And then you can heal that one part of you and basically disconnect that timeline or fractal, or just, it know, retrain the heart to send that signal to the brain, to be like next time that happens, make a different decision, or next time you're even not knowingly heading towards something like that, I'm actually going to say no to that and I'm going to like head this other direction. Cause think about reality is like we have so many choices. Like you'd be like, oh, I could go make a sandwich now, now, or I could go to the burrito place now, or I could. You know what I mean? It's like all these little things like it, like they seem insignificant at the beginning but they stack on top of each other, one after another, after another, I think.

Frank:

I think so that was kind of a long rambling answer, but no, I like it, I also like the idea of I've learned one thing in that I to overcome the like, thinking about the details and getting lost in that, to like I've learned to trust my ability to adapt and like, oh, I am very heady, that means I'll be able to, whatever happens, I'll be able to work my way through it or around it or whatever it might be, instead of trying to think of every possibility that I'm about to step into the good and the bad, you know, and like. The other thing that you said that I really like is talking about how, you know, you run into some kind of conflict, or and and correct me if I'm thinking about this incorrectly you, you, you are, you know, imagining something that might not go the way you want it, and making it bigger. Well, what, what is that? Like what's? You know, for example, like I don't know, I'm, I'm playing, I'm playing a show, and like, oh my gosh, what if my amp, uh, you know stops working in the middle of a song?

Frank:

And, you know, make it bigger, okay, well, what if everyone, what if my pants fall off too? It's like, oh, okay, I'm really worried about what everyone's going to think of me, or something. You know what I mean and like, like what's what? Yeah, how am I going to counter that? Cause that's the problem, it's not the amp. So I I do like that a lot. That's a great, that's an amazing strategy.

Lauren:

But okay, how do you like, uh, how do you undo that belief beyond just recognizing that it exists?

Banah:

Uh, find where it is in your body and work with that point.

Lauren:

And like say more.

Banah:

Yeah, I'll go on. Okay, yeah, I'll just give you the whole process, okay, okay. So there's two ways to approach it. One is it could be I know I have a limiting belief or there's been some sort of manifestation. That's happened, that's I've. I've lived something that felt limiting or unpleasant. Okay, Okay.

Banah:

So that's, that's, that's one way or the other way. Is I feel weird in this part of my body, body? So basically you're trying to connect the two. So it's, I feel weird in this part of the body. Then you just go straight into that part and you start speaking and working with it. If it's a manifestation or you know, you have a belief, then either the manifestation is probably going to activate the. If you're not in them, you're probably not going to want to do this in the moment. So say, after it happens, oh, this thing happened to me. Usually what happens is we like mull over and reminisce about this thing that happened. Okay. So as you're doing that, switch your attention from what happened to where you're feeling it within you okay yeah, it's like it's.

Banah:

It's usually stomach or heart most of the time. Um, you know, it could be sacral or it could be a root thing too, but it's, it's. I mean yeah, anyways.

Lauren:

Or some people throw it, okay, so it could be any of them, but um, I've done like a healing meditation through my like Reiki teacher, who had us think about like a trauma that we wanted to heal and like where is it stored in your body? So I realized like, oh, I was expecting it to be like in my sacral, but it was in my like solar plexus. So then I'm like, okay, okay, this is making more sense to me. Sorry, I need to let. No, it's great.

Banah:

Yeah, sometimes it's not where you expect, but that's but that is the key is to connect the two, the story or the belief, to where you feel it, and so once you, once you, you know where you feel it.

Banah:

Okay, let's say it's in the heart, because you can see my heart.

Banah:

So then I would go in and I'm, I'm placing my attention on my heart. So to me it works best with my eyes closed and I'm, you know, with your mind's eye, your imagination, you're putting your attention right on the core of that feeling and you just want to be really like soft and neutral. It's almost like sort of like inner child work, where you're treating this like it's. It's its own small being, you know, small, sensitive being that clearly is has something going on and just saying, like you know first, like hey, what's going on, and and what you really want to get to the root of is like, what is that part of me that feeling believe is true and, even more of that, what does it believe is true about itself? Like, what do I believe is true about me to feel that way and and and what I found is like, when I work with people on this, sometimes like something really specific will come out. I'll be like george doesn't like me, you know, or whatever like okay and then you just keep going down.

Banah:

Okay, well, what does it believe is true about itself? To believe that you know I've had trouble with these types of of friendships in the past. Okay, what does it believe is true about?

Banah:

what do I believe is true about myself below that you know I like, and you just keep going down and down and down until you find and it'll be really like, simple, like yeah I'm not lovable or something like that, like I had one in my stomach that I was actually has been coming up a bit lately and it's manifested in a few different ways and it literally is the belief that I'm alone. And that's such a simple phrase. But when I go into that part of my body and go down and down and down and you hit the point where you go what I believe is true about myself, for all these things to be happening or to feel this way, and then I hear like I'm alone, and it's like, oh crap, oh, that's it, that's so core, oh my God. And so this isn't intellectualizing it, you're there with it and the experience.

Banah:

And from there it's really important to just accept it and be really neutral with it, because the whole what you resist persists and it's like acknowledging like okay, this, this has been happening, like this is valid, right, is it an ultimate universal truth? No, is it a fact? No, because facts can't be changed. Like there's certainly a form of consciousness or a being or a person or an experience where someone doesn't feel alone. Okay, so I know that is possible, but right now I am acknowledging that this part of my body right there really feels that way and that by itself can provide a lot of relief. And I think that's like 90 of the process and then from there I'll usually do like my own sort of mantra system and sometimes I'll tap, tap on that spot, just because it keeps your focus there and it allows you know we're talking about being physically stored in the body.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Banah:

And I would say something like well, I don't want to believe that anymore. Like, and you're speaking to that, that energy, I don't want to believe it anymore. Okay, and it's like a ball and it starts to unwind and, acknowledging that, I put faith and I put trust in the truth of that belief and I'm like, well, I don't want to put faith or trust in that belief anymore. I just acknowledge that and unwind it. And then you can get to a point, hopefully, where you just say, like, well, I'm deciding, I'm making the decision, you're coming into your power, I'm deciding not to put faith or trust on that anymore. And that's usually enough to tip it where I can go to a positive one.

Banah:

I'll be like well, I want to put faith and trust that I'm connected and I'm loved. I'm deciding to put faith and trust in the belief that I'm connected and loved. And so it's's, it's kind of you. You work through the system one by one and you'll, you'll be able to feel your way there, because if you go too far, too fast, the body will reject it, like when you're untangling an old belief.

Banah:

If I immediately looked at it, you know, and it was still like, and I was like I don't believe that. It would be like f you, yeah, and so you take this really soft approach of, well, I don't want to believe that and I don't want to put my faith and trust in that, and actually I know that something else is available. So I'm going to decide not to put my faith and trust in that. In fact, I'm just going to decide not to believe that anymore. I'm not denying it, but I'm just deciding not to make that my ultimate truth. And then, once you get to that point, then you can sort of switch to the positive kind of thing.

Lauren:

That's such a gentle way to treat your like, those deep beliefs and such like. Thank you for taking the time to like say all that, because I feel like there's such a, it's part of the like. Here's how you manifest in 30 seconds and like there's all this um, you know putting like affirmations out there, but it feels like lying.

Lauren:

Yeah, it feels like you're lying to your own body when it's like, well, all you have to do is just say this mantra over and over. But when you're not connecting it, like like you're talking about, you're not connecting it to like your actual where it's stored and you're not unwinding it, it's just you are like I'm saying this lie over and over, like there's some part of you that's like it has to be real, say yeah, feel safe.

Banah:

Or I'm saying what's the first indicator that something's real?

Banah:

you feel it, you know it yeah, yeah and it's like, once you've done that, you've done the majority of the work, and then you know, if you're talking about manifesting, then it's. I guess there's a level of trust. But what I found is like, like, when I do this process really well and then like and other people I've worked with that do it too is what happens is because you've changed the subconscious, something new becomes normal. And so I would find that, say, I would walk into a situation where I would normally feel shy or shut off. Then I'd feel totally open and free and I wouldn't even think twice about it. And then after I would leave, you know, maybe I left the place and I was in my car and I was like, wait, I did. What was I?

Banah:

I've never done that before that just felt really normal and it was like, oh, because you changed the subconscious belief and the the. The subconscious is the body and that's what runs the program. And so you just watch the new program run, which was like the more loving and open one, the one that you actually wanted to run, and it didn't feel like acting, it just was who you were. And then only in retrospect where you're like whoa, I've never done that before and like that. So that's like the effect that this can have.

Lauren:

Yeah, that's so great, but Frank, and that's so great, but frank and I were talking recently about um, like he like tapped into my like emotions for a minute one day two weeks ago. Maybe it really helped me.

Frank:

I know I've brought this up to you guys psychically I oh no you know, like we, like everyone, talks about their emotions, but this was like something a little like more interesting that I, that I was shooting for, yeah, yeah, you were like having this intuitive moment.

Lauren:

But, um I, when I had heard of like, like again, I'm going to talk about my reiki teacher but she had said like, oh, if you're feeling're feeling, you know, if there's situations where you don't feel safe or secure, like safety, security, belonging is part of the root chakra and I, for some reason, hearing that you know, almost two years ago was like, well, I don't really have that, I don't really have that issue, I feel safe. And then in the last few months, I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, I get that. Now I understand the. It's not just like I feel like I'm going to be robbed at gunpoint at any moment. It's the comfort, the safety, the security of your environment in general and the belonging like your environment in general, and the belonging something, something clicked for me in the last couple of weeks with resetting or or like healing, this idea for me, where I walk into a setting and my brain instantly goes, there's something that says like you don't belong here or like you're not one of them.

Lauren:

You're not it's like so many settings where I'm like I, then I I don't know what to do with myself. I'm, I'm, I'm an actor. Like I've been in improv classes and every time I would walk into this setting it was like I'm, I made myself an outcast for some. Just even just the first day of class where I was like I feel uncomfortable, I feel so weird, I don't belong here. Everybody else is like better than me, this whole thing. But it's the idea of just the idea of belonging and I've been telling myself in settings now I belong here and like just kind of reaffirming like it's okay to belong here and like I can like literally just telling myself that in a way that doesn't feel untrue has, like you said, like it's, it's shifted something for me where I'm like, oh, I feel so much more comfortable because even before I walk into that space, I'm saying I belong here, it's okay, I'm safe, I belong here.

Banah:

Do you feel like that's something that's totally shifted for you and you feel clearer now? Or do you feel like it's something that you're still kind of and you feel clearer now? Or do you feel like it's something that you're still kind of it's starting to?

Lauren:

This was just like in the last probably two weeks, and I didn't even really have a name to it. I would just be like, oh, I shrink myself and make myself smaller. I have to like adjust to a new setting, but just boiling it down to that feeling of belonging and like knowing that it sits in the root chakra and all that is like, has been really helpful so it does.

Banah:

But it also is, um, if I may, yeah, it's a connection from your jaw down to the center of yours, the pit of your stomach oh, oh wait hold on.

Frank:

This is a great time to ask you yeah, what is that what?

Banah:

what, what, what are because you, what are your intuitive practices, uh abilities, I mean, yeah, highly empathic, like a mirror, like I feel, like I feel, yeah, I'm like, I'm like a really deep and nuanced feeler and everything is an extension from that.

Banah:

So like I can do like, I do have like clairaudience and sometimes I do have clairvoyance, like see things, but the main, the main thing, is like my sense of feeling is so, um, it's just very acute and exact. So, like when someone's telling a story and my intentions on them, I, I can like feel in my body and also, like, almost through feeling, visualize like your whole field and like everything, everything that you're feeling as you tell the story. That's why I said, like when you brought up the, uh, the belonging, it was like it's like the, the block or not the, but the tension is here and then it goes down to like a deep point, like in the very deep part of the stomach, and the root is there too. But there's something about those two areas that I would try working with for you. And, yeah, let me know.

Lauren:

Oh my God, thank you, that's really cool, that's so, that's really interesting. I wonder what, what's?

Banah:

here. Well, it makes sense with like speaking, you know.

Lauren:

Right, right, right, oh yeah.

Banah:

Speaking and like, and, and it seems very logical. It's like speaking and like, feeling safe to like, maybe like assert, not assert yourself, but like yeah like walking around and be like hey, I am a softer version of that, but you know what I mean. Yeah, hey. I am a softer version of that, but you know what I mean.

Lauren:

Yeah, so I felt like I had to quiet myself a lot, so that that that makes sense. Yeah, so then like go into a setting, especially for like an acting or like improv, where you have to put yourself out there, and then I'm like but why do I feel uncomfortable?

Banah:

Yeah, yeah, stomach to jaw for sure.

Lauren:

Okay, that's cool.

Banah:

That is really cool.

Lauren:

That's awesome. Thank you for that.

Frank:

That's so neat.

Lauren:

What kind of did you? Um, when you got like, when you were like, oh okay, I'm going to really get in here with the like development, did you go into any classes?

Banah:

or take like development classes, or were you just like I'm going to follow what feels right? So, yeah, I've never taken any classes. My journey has been totally self-taught and, of course, there's many different sources that I felt like I've resonated with and and taken from, but I think the biggest, the biggest teacher for me has been, and will continue to be, doing, experimenting, uh, result oriented. Yeah, when I, when I do this blah blah, you know, constantly questioning like I'm feeling these things, Am I just making this crap up or is this real? You?

Banah:

know and then when you see a pattern of like hundreds of times where you're like, okay, no, this is like, this is definitely a thing that is happening, that and then also, um, meditation, like yeah, I came from a background before I had any spiritual awareness or anything like that or any of these kinds of things. I actually did yoga probably for about 10 years, like really, really heavily, and I thought I was just trying to get in shape and become a better singer. But I think in retrospect it was like total body prep for like cause, that's what meditation is, or what yoga is, it's prep for meditation. And then I started meditating.

Banah:

Sometimes I'll meditate for like I don't always do this, but I go through periods where I'll do like four hours a day, like really really deep, so oh, wow, so like really deep, yeah. So I've been like yeah, I've always been like crazy dedicated to whatever I do and and like my ability to like really focus in on things really deeply, I think it's that's just like something I was born with, um, which is a great advantage to doing this type of work. You know it's cause it's really all.

Frank:

It's all about focus, you know so Well, you'd mentioned that there you didn't. There was no plan B. Are you? Are you glad for that, or do you think things would have turned out differently if you did have something to fall back on?

Banah:

no, because I think every time I, if I ever get question it and try, it's like hitting a wall yeah and I just there's nothing, there's nothing else to go back to.

Banah:

It's like, yeah, it's like I don't think I could insert myself into mindless in authenticity, like just being fully embraced in it, going, okay, well, I can literally just go do something else now. Yeah, that is authentic. So why would? And then, when I see the evidence of authenticity being supported and and even like, like it's I and I don't want to make it just about me like also seeing you know people being like thank you for being authentic and thank you for showing up this way and and and seeing how it's helped them, I think it's a disservice to other people to to dim, that like to dim, to dim the light even even when there are naysayers, you know.

Banah:

It's like I understand that they're naysayers and that's okay, um, and like I'm not. I'm not, I don't have it all figured out, like I don't have really anything figured out, but in my own journey, like all I can do is be as authentic as possible, and I think that for me, like really learning to again understand intuition and and have trust in like the one thing that I know I have, that can never be taken away, um, by anything like why wouldn't I do that? You know, yeah.

Lauren:

We were just talking about plan B, having a plan B, and I was saying, like the problem with you know, we're creatives, so it's always been this struggle like, oh, you should have a plan B in case this plan a doesn't work out. But the problem with that, I feel like, is assumed failure, Like that's what I was saying to Frank. You know, if I I lived in my plan B for for so long and there's something so like it's that it's too safe, it's too like I don't know, it's not like taking the risks or or if you want a plan B, make sure your plan B is also insanely authentic, like yeah, or along the same lines I also like this, yeah, and I

Banah:

also don't want to like be a proponent for rigidity in in any way, because, because I think that, like, the idea of plan a is like it is always molding in a way and and, and I try to come back to like the, you know, the like, what is actually authentic for me, Like you know, the thing we talked about in the beginning, like doing harmony.

Banah:

You know, there was a point where I was like this is my plan a and I will not do anything else and it's like okay. And then I started being like, well, yeah, but I really and this is like a journey I had to go on through myself, which is, but I really love working with people and I like see the results, like, and I get to see it like face to face, like you know, when I have clients and I work with them for a number of months, how they completely changed and light up as a human and become so much more authentic and happy, and I'm like, well, I don't want to stop doing that. That's like totally in alignment. You know, I think the idea of a plan B being like a no-no is when it becomes something that we settle for because we're too afraid to go for what we really want oh yeah, right, yeah, like I was working in tax software, which is oh, I've done.

Frank:

I've done a million misaligned I've done a million wrong things in my life. Bono, would you say that your plan b should harmonize with your plan A?

Lauren:

Oh.

Frank:

Frank, Ding, ding dong.

Banah:

Is that a dad joke Identified? Yes, that's me and a podcast.

Lauren:

Bona just disappeared.

Frank:

Bona hung up, that's okay, or just ascend, I just evaporate.

Banah:

There's no body.

Frank:

Damn it, I killed another guest. When you were in LA, was it were you playing in a band or was it mostly open mic stuff? Left turn from spiritual stuff for a second.

Banah:

Yeah, Um, yeah, yeah, I've always had bands and, uh, before I moved to LA I, I had I put out two full-length records and I did like DIY touring so I, so I did tour doing that. And then when I moved to LA I, it was the first time I joined another band and it was like an indie band that that kind of got some notoriety. So I got the experience of doing like some bigger shows and like playing festivals and like touring, touring europe and doing that whole thing. And then I, yeah, and then I decided I want to do my own project again in la and, yeah, I built, I built my own project and and it was very like indie rock, kind of based on like um radiohead and like beck Beck and stuff like that.

Banah:

I, I, I, a good, a good friend of mine is like um. He's like one of their main engineers. So I got to work with, like you know, top, top level people in the genre and I made a full length record, I made EP with him and even towards the end of that I put together this like crazy six-piece band with like two drummers and multiple keyboards and multiple guitars and like everything was on Ableton and like I studied like Tame Impala's like live set and like St Vincent's live set how they like programmed everything.

Banah:

So we had this like whole crazy program show with like lights and visuals. That's amazing. And then that was right before I. Just I had my awakening and I and it was interesting Like recently I I was like I'm really glad that I stopped. But what I noticed is, like in that situation, like the bigger it got like. I think the last show I did with that band was maybe like we had like 350 people and we were getting played on like k-rock and like at the at the time it was just at the end where like radio still kind of mattered a little bit. Yeah, um, before everything was just tiktok, um, and so it felt I was like I, it's finally happening, yay. And I was like was like why, do I feel more stressed.

Banah:

So I kind of just like stopped it all and and I think it was, it was, it was partially like that wasn't my path to grow. Like that, like that energy Cause, the cause, the record was like oh really heavy, like heartbreaking anger and and you know, some of the songs on there I'm like very proud of.

Frank:

But like if I go back and listen to it I'm like I I would not want to be touring that stuff for like 10, 20 years, like I sometimes wonder yeah, I wonder about that, cause I I do write kind of like aggressive music and I always I'm trying to write it in a way where, like if I'm playing this in 20 years, like am I going to want to be saying these things or like talking about these people, and I think I found a good medium. But like, totally, totally know that, that feeling.

Banah:

Sometimes it's healthy and it feels good, though and I you know, when I distanced myself from that, it was like I basically shut everything down and I was like I don't even know if I'll ever do music again. And then I started composing meditation music and I made like a few hundred meditation tracks and that was like my interest back into music.

Banah:

And then I started doing harmony and now, really within the last just like six months a year, I'm like, oh, I want to be an artist again, and I've been like starting to go back in the studio and like actually record like song songs with that aren't just like joy, joy, joy, light light light, gratitude, gratitude, gratitude, like, oh yeah, like have a bit more emotional nuance and depth and and even going back and listening to that last record and like you know, there's the first song on the record is very like energy and I listened to it the other day and I was like this is kind of badass. I know I can always go back up there, but I'm kind of fucking with that right now.

Frank:

Yeah, it just feels good it feels, like power.

Banah:

It feels like power, yeah, yeah.

Frank:

It's good to have that balance a little bit At some point. Doing anything for too long will that that balance a little bit at some point? Doing anything for too long will start to feel like a little inauthentic, unless you, like you know, brings bring some more authenticity into it and that you know we're.

Banah:

We experience a range of emotions all the time yeah um, so you went from like doing like two drummers and like big shows to like that is harmony mostly just you and an acoustic or totally acoustic dude, that's so cool and and you see the videos back to back it was like my old band was called opus vitae and so it was opus vitae. I was wearing all black skinny jeans and you know, just singing about heartbreak and everyone in the crowd was drinking and was like this, and then you see, you just named, you just described every show in la I've ever played.

Banah:

Yeah and then fast forward harmony. I was like I was like wearing all white and like flowy and acoustic. Everyone was sober and everyone was like jumping around being like, and I was like, okay, there's definitely been a change that's so fun.

Frank:

What a cool thing you're, you're, you're playing those dynamics, man, that's so fun.

Banah:

Yeah, so I think it eventually it'll be. It'll be more of a medium, because I, I see the future of what I'm doing like basically, what I'm building is it's I want it to be online, community, in-person community and the events, the harmony events, like eventually seeing it be a grander show, so like there will be a full band, but it will be in the round and it will be very much about audience participation and flow and, and you know, I want I, I I have a grand vision of I want it to be like, I don't know, like cold play meets, like hillsong, you know, but in the round, where people feel like they can go and they're like it's super uplifting and joyous and, yeah, it is an aspect of worship, but it doesn't have anything to do with, you know, know, a dogma or religion or something like that. It's like how, how free and joyful and and just present and together, like from the heart, can we feel yeah, so that's, that's really in the moment.

Banah:

I've also been inspired by um. It's been all over TikTok Is there. There's the um. It's kind of over TikTok Is there. There's the um. It's kind of like the Harlem Globetrotters of baseball banana ball. Have you guys heard of that? I have not heard of this. It's like taking the world by storm. They're like they're basically selling out like football stadiums and doing like, like, like selling as many tickets as the world series.

Lauren:

Wait, is that the team that like dances or no?

Banah:

yes, okay and the more I look it's funny because, like for years, I've been keep getting visions of baseball and I just like don't understand what it is. And so this I'm starting to think like, oh, like that guy is like he, he's funny because he always wears a yellow tux and a hat and I'm like, oh, he's like kind of like a character like I'm. I'm like kind of trying to create with myself, like wearing all white.

Banah:

Um and I'm and it's like, oh, he, he only cares about like, bringing the best show and the most joy to the fans and that's like his singular goal and it's literally about upliftment and his and the way he's doing it is through sports. Like he's taking a, taking the sport and just seeing how, how fun and how interactive can we make this, you know, kind of thing. And I'm like, oh, I want to be the concert version of that. Yeah, that's so cool and yeah, the spiritual aspect. But I don't want that to be a hindrance because, like I think, if people just feel good and they feel connected from the heart, like I don't, I don't care if someone believes in this stuff or not, it doesn't matter to me. It's like you could be an atheist. In fact, I went to a retreat, um, that I led a harmony at, and one of the guys was like a really devout atheist and we had a really great connection, we had some really good conversations and I think and he really enjoyed harmony like yeah, you know, is the really good practices.

Frank:

I've noticed the really good practices, like you don't have to believe it for it to work. Still, you know what I mean. And even if he, like, showed up full atheist not not believing in anything, but walked away or, like, in the moment, felt very uplifted and like into it that you did your job and he walked away, you know affected, having felt it yeah, yeah, no matter what he thinks, that is like it's still something, yeah powerful also to your like.

Frank:

You're talking about being like, almost like, uh, like having a, like a. I love the idea of, in your creativity, like tapping into an archetype as a muse to like you know I am, I am becoming this thing, so I can like have a clear message on what I represent.

Banah:

We all. Characters are characters. I'm finally realizing that. Like what is this little SIM character? How do I want to dress? I'm like you know, even this winter I started going to the gym because I was like, oh, a leader should be like a little bit more muscular, and I'm always very thin frame. So I was like, oh, I want to try and put on a little more weight so I can help, you know, hold a little bit more of that masculine energy and like and like it's. Yeah, it's just all about like the, the character that would you like to borrow some of my weight?

Frank:

I have a little bit to say.

Lauren:

I feel like I found, I feel like I hit my core intention today.

Frank:

Oh yeah, I feel like the core intentions were hit. How do you feel, vamana?

Banah:

Me too, alright.

Frank:

I will say one more thing. I will say one more thing.

Banah:

If we were, we should all say one thing, which is if we wanted people to have one takeaway. I'm sorry, I'm kind of taking over your show, but no if we wanted people to have one takeaway or one point of inspiration from today. What would you, what would you hope they would take?

Lauren:

okay, well, I know what, what I'm taking from this, which is and I hope other people have as well which is like allowing yourself to be more in flow on just a day-to-day basis and and I feel really inspired by what you said about like just following even just an impulse and like what does that feel like? Because I feel like I I just go back and forth too, too frequently with like it's a permission slip.

Banah:

Yeah, it's a permission slip. You can't, you can't lose, because either way you're going to learn or you're going to get what you want.

Lauren:

Right, yeah, and I that is helpful for me to think about just in terms of, like, make a fucking decision, you know. So, yeah, I feel really inspired by that, so I'm I would imagine that other people do too because it's it's a very cool thing to think about and kind of move forward with yeah, so for me it's, it's.

Frank:

I feel like, um, well, like one of the big takeaways from, like your story. You know, in retrospect I get to distill it, not trying to corner you or anything like that, but authenticity. Authenticity can be very dynamic and it's okay to like consistently reinvent yourself to serve whatever purpose most aligns with what you want in the moment. Whether you're wearing all black and skinny jeans or all white and like rolling with an acoustic, like like you're still a creator, you're still, you know, generating an emotion that you want other people to like connect with, and you're helping people do that and like that's, even though those things you might say, hey, those things are at odds like it's, it's not really like the core was always there and like, yeah, like you said, like give yourself permission to to do it, whatever it might be.

Banah:

I think that's badass and vana um, yeah, I had a thought, which is that I just want people to know that whatever they believe is true and however they live their life is just as real and relevant as anyone else. And I would hope to take away from this is that, um, even though in this life and world, we all have different opinions and different ways of doing things, I hope that we wouldn't let that get in the way of all connecting with each other in a really wonderful and loving way, cause I think that's what the work makes the world a really wonderful place.

Frank:

There you have it Heck yeah. Dude to tell everybody where to find you, whether it's at a show or online. Where can we get you?

Lauren:

and also, where do where do people get those? That sweatshirt it says galactic af and and yes I designed it and there's a alien spaceship on top.

Banah:

It's really cute, it's great um, so did I send you guys a tree? I think that has all my links in it, yeah, and the top one on there is for my course and community. So if you buy the course, the core offer I have, which is the belief work that we kind of went through today it gives you more in-depth process and I write people a custom three-step transformation based on whatever they're going through, and you get lifetime access to the harmony community, which will be just a ton of other stuff like every month, and support community to help you work through your stuff. So, so there's that and there's the shirt on there too.

Banah:

And then, if people want to book a session, or I also do one-on-one work, so I have a three-month container that I work with people, um, which is intuitive, psychic mastery, which is really about healing, also, you know, um healing education and then like accountability, um, so yeah, so that's all my link tree there. And I'm on instagram. If you want to follow on tiktok, you can, but that doesn't really matter because you don't see any posts if you follow anyone on TikTok. So yeah, so just this is true the community. The community is the best way, honestly yeah, it's like that's really where my focus is.

Banah:

It's on building that and that's the best way to learn and and take the next steps. If someone decides they want to work with me, or they decided want to come to a show later on when I'm touring Like touring the community that's the best way to do it.

Lauren:

I want to keep an eye out for a local Harmony event, oh.

Frank:

I will go in two seconds.

Lauren:

And show up and tell myself I belong here.

Banah:

Yeah, I'm excited. You won't even have to tell yourself at that point, you'll know it.

Lauren:

I know, I know.

Banah:

Yeah no, I'll be fully transformed. Where are you guys? We're like outside of LA.

Frank:

Oh, you are. Yes, oh, okay, for sure.

Banah:

Okay.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Banah:

I'll see you soon.

Frank:

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