074: Removing Resistance to Making Big Moves // with Lauren and Frank

Big change can feel exhilarating—and terrifying. In this personal episode, Lauren and Frank step away from their usual interview format to share the emotional rollercoaster of preparing for a major move. As they unpack their own resistance to change, they explore a powerful truth: even the most welcome transformations can stir up deep fears and old patterns.

Through honest storytelling and intuitive reflection, they dive into why we sometimes cling to familiar discomfort, whether in jobs, relationships, or physical spaces. Lauren opens up about her tendency to “bottleneck for control,” while Frank reflects on staying too long in a misaligned job. Together, they examine how childhood experiences and parental fears shape our reactions to uncertainty—especially when guiding young children through big transitions.

Frank and Lauren now offer Spiritual Coaching and Empowerment Workshops. Visit www.clairvoyaging.com/services and use code VOYAGER at checkout for 15% off.

Transcript

Introducing Our Moving Journey

Lauren 1:03

Hey guys, it's just me and Frank. Today we are chatting about all the things that come with making big moves. I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank 1:11

And I am the man who will fight for your honor.

Lauren 1:17

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition, and this is episode 74 of claire voyaging. Wayfeather media presents claire voyaging.

Frank 1:46

Oh, my sweet puppies.

Lauren 1:48

I'm going to have that song in my head.

Frank 1:50

It's another one All day. It's another, one, another, one, another, one Another one. Oh boy, how's it going guys?

Lauren 2:00

Hey, friends, we've got a little different episode today, friends, we've got a little different episode today. We don't have a guest because we've got a lot of things going on in our lives and we're doing big moves.

Frank 2:14

Let's not make it sound like we don't have anything. We've got content on backlog here, but it's just time for a check-in, that's all.

Lauren 2:22

Yeah.

Frank 2:22

You know, that's where we're at. Right now is check-in time.

Lauren 2:25

Yeah, for a check-in, that's all. Yeah, you know, that's where we're at right now is check-in time. Yeah, we've been talking a lot about the potential of our move. My mom was listening to our podcast and she's like you guys are moving right. Sorry, mom. Which which brings me to my first point.

Frank 2:44

Is your first point that we talk to our listeners more than our own family?

Lauren 2:51

That could be it, but also I'm realizing all the things that I'm not committing to, or that.

Lauren 3:01

I've been. I've been like hesitating to commit to because part of this, okay, so we're talking about our move, because we're sharing our, our journey. This has all been a journey. This podcast is we're taking you along with us for this, this ride and all the things that we're experiencing along the way, and I I've been realizing that there's certain things, when it comes to like, oh, this solidifies the decision. The more I talk about it, or the more things that I say for example, our son's preschool I was like, oh, is it time to tell them?

Lauren 3:47

it's like we're moving preschool, that we're moving, yeah we're moving in a month and every little step along the way I'm like, oh, this is triggering my fears and my oh no, you're doing stuff and you're like.

Frank 4:02

Suddenly you're like oh no, there's no take backs.

Lauren 4:04

Yeah, oh man, yeah, okay, yeah, it's a really interesting you think la stuff and you're like suddenly you're like oh no, there's no take backs yeah, oh man, yeah, okay, yeah, it's a really interesting. You think lauren and I talk to each other more.

Frank 4:11

We talk to each other non-stop, but we do save things for the, the podcast.

Lauren 4:15

Sometimes literally a few minutes ago I was, lauren started talking to me about probably this and I said save it save it, go write it down yeah but, yeah, that's, that's something that I'm realizing, that, um, I do, or that this particular situation has been bringing up for me, and it's it's like this okay, well, if I do this next thing, that solidifies it even further, which I know I'm going to do, but it's like this one, like releasing one thing at a time, and that's my like fear, it's all fear of the unknown, fear of making the wrong choice, of the unknown fear of making the wrong choice.

Frank 5:11

Yeah, in preparation for this episode, I pulled three tarot cards.

Lauren 5:13

Did you?

Frank 5:14

And this very much. Don't look at my notes and this very much relates to the first card I pulled.

Lauren 5:19

Okay.

Frank 5:20

Let's talk about the reverse ace of pentacles real quick.

Lauren 5:24

Okay.

Fear of Solidifying Big Decisions

Frank 5:25

You know, as usual we source Dr Elliot Adam for our also known as Elliot Oracle because of his positive spin on the cards and my distillation that it came down to was the note that I wrote down, which is which is procrastination is the hurdle to manifestation procrastination is the hurdle well, I mean, it's a hurdle to to manifestation absolutely shall I explain? Yeah, go on think about this, all the things that, okay, let's not just talk about the move, but obviously we're talking about this in context to the move.

Lauren 6:05

Well, and I'm hoping that, like our situation, is relatable for anyone looking to make a change, because it is scary and that's the whole conversation.

Frank 6:16

Today's secret topic is making changes, yeah, and like what it's about, especially when it's something that we want. Like what it's about, especially when it's something that we want. So, when it comes to this, like specifically what I'm talking about is, you know, when there's something that you we've spent so much time in the in the woo-woo community talking about manifesting manifesting our wants and manifesting our needs and all this stuff and then when it actually starts happening, we have the gall to get like a nervous tummy ache about it yeah like literally, like what the hell?

Frank 6:52

how are we ever going to manifest stuff? How are we ever going to make big changes in our lives that we've been setting up? We've talked on the show about needing to make space if, if we know what we want, we don't know how we're going to get there.

Frank 7:03

Uh, from, from manifesting things but, then we but then we make space for it, right, yeah, and then what? Now the thing is here and the thing comes and we're going to be nervous about it. Yeah, and that's the other thing. We've started pulling tarot cards with our kids, which is actually very funny because it works just as well. I don't know. We always say, okay, ask your spirit guides and pull a card. Yeah, and then we pull a card and we're like, oh, holy shit, it worked. That's a crazy thing to say.

Lauren 7:35

Yeah, like, oh, that fully relates to what you're talking about. Yeah, and they each have their own deck, by the way. Yeah, jean has a pink one.

Frank 7:45

Of course she does.

Lauren 7:47

It has a couple of keywords on it. And then Lyndon has. We got him the cheapest deck because he's three years old and he throws cards around everywhere.

Frank 7:56

I think I bought it from Timu pre-tariff and before I started to try to make more purchases intentionally.

Lauren 8:04

I swear it was like $1.50. Yeah.

Frank 8:06

It's a good deck, actually it's fine, it's Rider. Waite, it's just that it has, anyway.

Lauren 8:10

Anyway, yeah, yeah.

Frank 8:11

Anyway, listen Don't shop at Timu.

Lauren 8:13

We were all pulling tarot cards the other day. We were like, let's do this. Jean was super into it.

Frank 8:26

So she pulled the six of swords reversed right and the big thing with that is that just because something is uncomfortable doesn't mean it's the wrong thing to do all the time totally, and that that that it could just mean that growing and changing is sometimes a little uncomfortable yes and you have to think about that in context of like manifesting and making big moves for yourself, or big moves like literally, like we are.

Frank 8:48

Is that like, just because it's going to be a little uncomfortable doesn't mean it's the wrong thing to do? You just got to get in that zone of like all right, okay, for example, maybe this isn't the best example, but when I was really, when I was having a lot of anxiety, I didn't have the tools to work, work with it and I didn't want to go on an anti-anxiety medication. And I did, and I finally decided well, I'm miserable. Now, like, what am I going to do? Like be a different kind of miserable? Trying something new is better than trying nothing. So, or trying something new is better than like just staying in the misery that you're comfortable with. Right, yes, you can find comfort in misery. What the hell is that all about?

Frank 9:32

yeah so you know the thing I'm like. All right, you know what I'm gonna. As far as the medication goes, I'm gonna treat my body like a, like a beaker, and like this neil de kras tyson that once said that, like he doesn't do like psychedelics and stuff because he says our brains already hardly work.

Procrastination: The Hurdle to Manifestation

Lauren 9:49

You know he's like I don't want to throw in another, like you know, variable yeah but same thing once if something's not working, it's time to like embrace the variable and it's time to like allow for spontaneous, unplanned change, sometimes even if it's and or plan to change, and to be okay with it yeah you're not going to be able to account for every single thing that happens along the way, and the journey is part of the fun and, like a big part, of where growth happens yeah, what I'm, what I'm thinking is that, well, when you're talking about this, the procrastination and like getting to manifesting and then going like, oh, we're almost there, but wait, I think I think there's like, I mean, maybe this is just me, but there's a little bit of control there, of like wait, hold on there. Of like wait, hold on, everything is okay. Now it's moving too fast, which is part of you know like why I think I'm releasing one thing at a time, as far as putting my stake in the sand or whatever the saying is well, hold on.

Frank 11:00

No, let's figure out what the saying is, because it's not that. What do you mean?

Lauren 11:02

my stake in the third, putting a stake in the ground and I just googled it because I couldn't think of the term and it's making a firm commitment and that's what. Well, that's why I've been slowly like doing one thing at a time, because there is some kind of like. It's like I don't want to lose all control of everything, or like I've told too many things at once and now it's a runaway train or something.

Frank 11:33

But isn't the train running in the direction that you want it?

Lauren 11:36

Absolutely, so is this like just you, bottlenecking for control. Yes.

Frank 11:41

Bottlenecking for control.

Lauren 11:42

Yeah, yes.

Frank 11:44

Maybe that should be the name of the episode.

Lauren 11:47

I mean that, yeah, I mean, that's what I'm realizing, that I'm doing.

Frank 11:50

It keeps you out of the flow, though the flow state of like like going and rolling with the punches and seeing what's next and stuff.

Lauren 11:56

It's not something that I want to be doing, it's something that I've realized that I am doing. So I'm like, okay, you know I got to make. Now it's time to be in the flow and make more moves and make more firm commitments. This is again, unearthing, like more trauma. There's something to like uprooting yourself, and I mean your root chakra is where your safety and security and belonging is, and if you're, this is the place. This house is the place I've lived the longest of my life. So it's like all these things are coming up through this change, which I'm also embracing, and I was just talking to our friend, emily Bulsick, um for another show yesterday and she was saying, you know, when she moved which she moved like a year ago, it, it, it helped her to just embrace whatever came up.

Lauren 12:58

And she was like, just allow whatever feelings come up, because that is healing on its own. And I really liked that tip because I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever I feel, it's coming up, maybe I'm being triggered for a reason, or I'm being triggered because it's something from my past. It's triggering my root chakra and I'm like whoa, whoa, I feel uncomfortable in this discomfort, but not that it's a bad thing, just that it's a different thing that I haven't experienced for a while.

Frank 13:35

We've never moved with our kids and that's like a whole new experience it is kind of interesting because it makes me wonder if you know when you have an upheaval, when you have a large upheaval, even if it's something that you were planning for, if it's eliminating your false sense of security, right, you hold on to like the false sense of security You're gripping so tight to like. Just the idea of this is where I'm comfortable yes where you were in reality.

Lauren 14:12

You should be comfortable as you, anywhere you go, especially if you're coming with your support system, your, your human support system right, but we just talked recently when we were talking to Bonna Wynn, remember we brought up how I have this feeling of like it's almost a constant state of, unless I'm at my house with my family, there's this feeling of like always telling myself that I don't belong, which I'm trying to reverse and work on. But yeah, I mean, I've stayed in a job that wasn't right for way too long. I stayed in a relationship that wasn't right for way too long, because when you get comfortable in, when you know, okay, this might not be right for me, but I know what it feels like, you get comfortable in that. Yeah, and then to make a change, like you said, and dive into the unknown can be so much scarier than staying in what you know, even if it's not the best.

Frank 15:28

Yeah.

Lauren 15:30

I mean, I feel like so many people stay in something because they're comfortable, but not necessarily because they are happy.

Frank 15:40

I have a. Can I offer a perspective?

Lauren 15:42

Absolutely.

Frank 15:43

This relates to the other card I pulled.

Lauren 15:46

Great Perfect.

Frank 15:47

This is really, this is really divine.

Lauren 15:52

Divinely ordered conversation.

Frank 15:55

Let's talk about justice reversed.

Lauren 15:58

Okay.

Frank 15:59

Okay, okay. The justice card is the justice card, no matter what Right it's about, like life, like karma and stuff like that.

Lauren 16:09

Right.

Frank 16:09

Yeah, but in it there's something to and this isn't.

The Comfort Found in Misery

Frank 16:15

This isn't something I read, I just it made me think of it right now in this context, and that is during big moments in your life where you're making big changes or making big moves or doing something that you know shaking things up a little bit there is and you're maybe missing that thing that you're normally comfortable in, even if that thing you were comfortable in is not a good thing, like you know, not good for you. Everyone's heard the phrase life's not fair. I effing hate it. I hate that phrase.

Lauren 16:49

I don't like that. I don't like that phrase.

Frank 16:51

But now there's a thing to it, though, because things happen that aren't always fair.

Lauren 16:55

Yeah.

Frank 16:56

Right. Things happen that aren't always fair. Yeah, right, um, for example, you might be. You might be wondering if you're making a big change and the thing that's going to make you procrastinate ace of pentacles reversed. The thing that's going to make you procrastinate is the concern that maybe you are making a change into something worse. Right?

Lauren 17:14

yeah, yeah and that's like that's always the concern what if it's worse than this?

Frank 17:19

But nothing. You know, if we're here on a spiritual level to learn and grow, nothing is worse than not giving yourself a situation to grow in. You might in your case, it might be beneficial to find comfort in the challenge, maybe the challenge itself is you're like, oh, I'm in growth space, like this is something I'm having a hard time with right now and something I'm not sure of, and the future is undefined and I can't see past this date, or I can't see past this event. Right, yeah, you're like oh, I'm in uncharted territory, this is growth space, this is where the magic happens. Right, yeah, you're like, oh, I'm in, I'm in uncharted territory.

Lauren 18:00

This is growth space.

Frank 18:00

This is where the magic happens. Right, this is where the magic happens. This is back to the the your body is a beaker conversation.

Lauren 18:07

Yeah.

Frank 18:07

Of like oh wow, this is very fun. Now there's no wrong or right and things that happen. From this point on, if something goes wrong, it's probably not my fault because I've done all the thinking, that I'm going to do all the pre-planning and I'm not suggesting you out there be an irresponsible but which?

Lauren 18:21

which wait? You just mentioned where the magic happens, that that's the. I just pulled, like two days ago, the two of swords which is did the.

Frank 18:31

The magic comes in the in between and I said finally, you got it, not me frank's always getting that one.

Frank 18:39

The magic comes in the in-between. That's the growth space, right? So, yeah, sure, life might not be fair all the time, but when life's not fair, what it's doing is presenting you a challenge, and without those challenges, how the hell are you gonna grow Like? That's the thing that makes you stronger, that's the thing that makes you better, that's the thing that makes you stronger, that makes that's the thing that makes you better. That's the thing that shows you if nothing, what you don't want right, right.

Frank 19:01

So like you can't like be, you can't take blame or feel bad when you roll the dice it doesn't land in your favor, you just. You just pick up and you shift directions again, you say, okay, it wasn't that, let's do something else yeah nothing is ever unless you're playing like russian roulette.

Lauren 19:21

Nothing is ever so final that you can't make an adjustment yeah right yeah, and that's like a big lesson that I have learned over time and am currently learning now, and I think part of it is, you know, the well everyone learns this, no one's.

Frank 19:41

I mean, there's maybe that guy in high school here, like god, you're so cool, like nothing phases you, you know, you guarantee you he's living under a bridge right now and it's okay, but like, but you know those people where you're like, oh wow, you really are unfazed by like a devastating upheaval yeah like that person was always meant to be an archetype, right yeah and you just have to embrace some of that, that vibe the vibe the, the archetype vibe I think part of it, too, is like the stakes are higher because, because we have kids and we're going, you're gonna change schools and you're going to live in a different area.

Lauren 20:21

And part of that is me projecting onto my kids going are you going to be okay? Not that I would say that to them in their face, but my brain is going they're going to be fine, right, because that's my own fear.

Elliot Adam 20:39

Going like is, am I making the right choice?

Lauren 20:42

for them? Or 15 years from now, are they going to look back on that move that we made, that they were like? I resent you for that, yeah that's when everything went wrong moving to beautiful san diego? Yeah, no, how dare you well, what happened to you?

Frank 21:01

why? Why'd you come to the meeting today? Well, when I was seven, my parents moved to an extremely gentrified, beautiful town.

Lauren 21:10

That's when it all went wrong and they prepared me mentally, emotionally and spiritually for the whole thing.

Frank 21:20

And my parents talked about it so much.

Elliot Adam 21:24

They made me so comfortable.

Frank 21:25

They made me call tarot cards. We'll see about that.

Lauren 21:29

I know, yeah, we'll see.

Frank 21:30

But yeah, the projecting is a thing, and also that's you projecting on your that's shadow work right there. Yeah, you know what I mean. So that's you projecting on your that's the that's shadow work right there. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like you, I mean, you did grow up in a situation where you're you know nothing felt quite comfortable, nothing felt quite safe. You had moments of safety, moments of comfort, you know periods, short ones, but on the whole you didn't know.

Frank 21:55

Well my well, my, that's my early childhood. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, and you're projecting onto our early childhood kids, right?

Lauren 22:03

things became well established and very comfortable for many years.

Frank 22:07

By the time I turned like five, six yeah, okay, yeah, but but yeah, I mean, our kids are in the sweet spot. They're three and seven, so yep yeah so I'm like we're in that window my babies are you okay when I'm also talking to my inner baby?

Lauren 22:23

yeah, are you okay, lauren?

Frank 22:26

yeah, you don't want them to.

Embracing Discomfort for Growth

Frank 22:27

You don't want them to grow up like, feeling like they've had the rug pulled out from under them yeah so we to put a period in the kid conversation and, as you've spoken to people about this as well, because Lauren's checked in, she's very concerned about this Kids are adaptable and like it's not like we're moving. You know there's kids that grow up in military families and they're fine, they're fine. I mean, you know they're okay, they're fine, they're great. You know, and that's like you just adapt and there's new conditions and and everyone's always living under the conditions they live in right now and they will grow up and they will want something different and that's okay yeah but this is one move, man it's also just kind of an important part of adapting yeah you know there is something to kind of giving pushing your kids a little bit with a little bit of.

Frank 23:22

It's not even adversity, but a change that helps them grow, in a way, the beaker, the beaker make sure, for ourselves and for them, that we show that there's this magic portal of change, where that is a cool place to be, and that you learn from it and you grow in it and you move forward yeah it's a cool place to be, otherwise everything's too scary. You never make any changes, so I have a question. The doctor is in Wait you're the doctor. I guess. No, I was going to become the doctor for a second.

Lauren 24:05

Okay doctor me, doctor me, doctor me. Is this bringing up anything for you, or are you just like cool adventure time? Adventure time, that's how our three-year-old says stuff. We went to Island's last night and he went it's Island's time, that's how our three-year-old says stuff. We went to Island's last night and he went it's Island's time.

Frank 24:21

He came out of the bathroom the day before that and he was like I'm back baby. I don't know where he's learning this shit. It's not from me. It's very funny.

Lauren 24:29

It's not from anyone. He is such a character.

Frank 24:33

Anyway, is it bringing up stuff for me? Yeah, I don't know how to define it as clearly as you have mine. There's always two narratives going on in my head, and it's the one where I like I know exactly what to tell myself and I'm listening to that version. And then I know exactly what. Someone who is full of doubt it's almost like a, like a imaginary third party, imaginary third party Someone who's casting doubt on a move is also saying and I just like live in the center and I wake up in the morning and I'm somewhere on that spectrum and I have to forcefully get myself into the right mental space sometimes. So the perspectives are dude, all the stuff that we've been talking about.

Lauren 25:14

Yeah.

Frank 25:15

This is a magical time we are. We've done as much planning and and making the situation comfortable for our kids as much as possible. You know, I'm always. I'm worried about the kids too, of course. And and then there's another half saying you live in a beautiful town right now. What are you looking for? Oh, the grass is always greener, isn't it?

Frank 25:32

yeah and yeah, and there is that, there is that voice too, and then like, oh you, oh, you know you're, you're, so you know you. You have a podcast. You're talking about your spirituality all the time. Well, shouldn't you just be comfortable where you are? And it's like dude, shut the front door, man, suck a bag of trash, frank. But then I'm also on the other side. So, yeah, I mean, that's all there. But the one thing that I do I'll give myself credit for is that, regardless of what's going on in my head, I'm still driving forward. Yeah, like I don't. I'm not looking to slow down, I'm looking to make all my plans move forward. And I hear those voices, yeah, but I'm still going. Voices, yeah, but I'm, I'm still going. And in my mind, in my mind, by moving forward and having my actions, prefer, um, the better half of me, the better, the better side of the argument that that it will win and then eventually, the other guy's just gonna go away yeah he'll.

Lauren 26:36

Meditation is good, he'll start talking about something else, I'm sure. But he always has, he always has what I keep remembering when I go back to that doubt of like who do you, why do you think you're so so much better than like who do you think you are moving away? You're like this town is so bad, or whatever. What I remember is that it's a beautiful town.

Frank 26:59

It's a beautiful town, adorable school, adorable school, some really great people here.

Lauren 27:04

Yeah, we live by this beautiful mountain. There's a lot of amazing things that people come here for.

Frank 27:10

Yeah, this is. This is some people's Shangri-La.

Lauren 27:13

However, I hate that word.

Frank 27:16

Do you hate Shangri-La?

Lauren 27:18

I don't think I've put much thought into that word.

Frank 27:20

Shangri-La. I don't even know what it is.

Lauren 27:23

It's like an ideal place to be, isn't it?

Frank 27:27

I don't know the etymology.

Lauren 27:31

Well, while we're looking up, no, I made you lose your point.

Frank 27:32

Don't lose your point.

Lauren 27:33

No, I remember it, shangri-la. We need a researcher yeah, A fictional, remote, beautiful and idyllic place often used to describe a utopia or a paradise.

Frank 27:50

It's from a James Hilton's Lost Horizon.

Lauren 27:52

This is some people's Shangri-La, it's true. However, we've lived here for 12 years now and we've kind of outgrown the we've. We've like it feels very boxed in and I feel like we've taken, we've done what we can with this place and now it's time to try something else, because the boredom and isolation that we feel, no-transcript. I feel like we'll just continue to get worse if we stayed.

Frank 28:27

Yeah, well, you know, then then you settle in, it's again you're just settling into. We're trying to make a move before we get too comfortable with the discomfort. I stayed at a job once for eight years and like, and I didn't like it but I kept hoping it would be better. And and it was such a thing where, like, I kept hoping that it was going to get better and I kept doing extra work, I kept putting in extra work to try and make it better.

Lauren 28:55

Yeah, and then, and for a while it would be better and you'd be like oh it's actually, this is actually pretty cool. And same with my job. It was like this is fine, Fine. And then it would be like, oh no, this is terrible, this is very toxic, this is horrible. Well, it would be fine again.

Frank 29:10

You can make little pockets of better conditions in whatever discomfort you're experiencing and experiencing, but nothing will ever really change the context, right?

Lauren 29:20

Yeah.

Frank 29:21

And, and boy oh boy, I'm trying to speak in generalities. And boy oh boy, I'm trying to speak in generalities. I hope this is working. I hope this isn't just a big episode of me talking about moving, but you get what I mean. Like there's a pocket, right, there's a pocket in your discomfort, where there's a pocket of your, where you've that, you've made comfortable in the discomfort, you're okay with this level of discomfort, yeah. But what if it's better? What if you know? And and I'm about to our procrastination let's say it is a job or a relationship. What are you doing?

Lauren 29:52

get on grinder, he's out there okay he's waiting for you check out zillow.

Frank 30:02

It might be better open up. Indeed, you know what, don't go in If you're here, maybe not indeed Hinged. Hinge. Well, she's pretending like she doesn't have three accounts on there Unreal.

Lauren 30:12

Unhinged.

Frank 30:13

You're on unhinged.

Lauren 30:16

Yes, I'm creating my own app. I'm creating my own app. It's called unhinged and it's where I find people like me and sign up for my account on only farts.

Frank 30:28

It's good. Oh no, why did another fart joke?

Tarot Guidance for Our Collective

Lauren 30:36

ends the podcast and we're done no yeah no, but yes, you can speak in generalities. However, I think the idea of moving past something is it's scary and also necessary. It's been relatable my entire life. So, yeah, what's the third card that you pulled?

Frank 31:03

That's it Um. I the third one was the one that Gene pulled the other night, but you know what I'd like to do. I'd like to grab my deck. I'll be right back.

Lauren 31:13

Oh, unstructured time. You know what's funny? What's so funny about my and Frank's style is that he is so much more structured than I am, so he always wants a plan and I'm like I don't know. He's like did you write anything for our episode? No, and then I, and then I write it 30 seconds before we start recording and I say that's good. And Frank, if he is in charge, he is writing a full script. So this is funny because he's going off script right now and grabbing his tarot deck.

Frank 31:57

You see him going off script. Yeah, we never have a script.

Lauren 32:01

Well, when you have an episode, that is just your episode.

Frank 32:04

Oh, I got to script the hell out of it. That's my brain.

Lauren 32:07

I know I said we're very different.

Frank 32:11

I have the Tarot Original 1909 deck here. Who releases this? It's not the full big size. I got tiny little powerful hands, but they are tiny. This is the. This is made by Los Garibay BO, I don't know. They make other stuff too, and I have Elliot Adams' book. Of course I bought this. This is not sponsored. It's called Fearless Tarot. Fearless Tarot, that's right. You can't see Fearless Tarot by Elliot Adams. How to give a positive reading in any situation. Dare to pull any card.

Lauren 32:40

He really is fantastic at making a positive spin on any card. Even last night he was like this is the bleakest card in the deck.

Frank 32:52

What do you want to ask right now? How about you know? Everyone's always talking about the collective, the collective this, the collective that? First of all, I believe there are many collectives. Second of all, I think we're a collective Our podcasts and listeners.

Lauren 33:04

Yeah, dude, hell yeah. So this is for our collective, our podcast and listeners. Yeah, dude, hell yeah. So this is for our collective.

Frank 33:09

Yeah, if you're hearing this today, this is for us, and it's about doing that thing that we're afraid to do but we kind of know we need to and making sure we don't make it harder than it needs to be.

Lauren 33:20

Okay.

Frank 33:21

So, and what is it? What are we looking at? How beautiful is that.

Lauren 33:27

The Ace of Cups. You got it Upright, okay Are you going to pull up, elliot? Yeah.

Frank 33:32

I was going to reference the book.

Lauren 33:34

But it's kind of more fun if we Oops.

Frank 33:36

Through the magic of editing, we'll make this fast.

Lauren 33:38

Yeah, so this is what we do we pull a card, and this is fun because we're giving you a true example of how we pull tarot cards. We don't know all the cards at all, but Elliot does.

Frank 33:51

Crank it, hi, I'm Dr.

Elliot Adam 33:53

Elliot Adam. What's today's card of the day, which is the Ace of Cups?

Frank 33:56

Now, like all, aces.

Elliot Adam 33:58

This card represents giving birth to new conditions or new experiences in your life and because it's a cups card, it usually indicates that there's a renewal in the realm of emotions or feelings. For you at this time, the ace of cups, simply put, represents love, and you can see how love is being offered as a gift by this divine hand coming from the cloud. It's overflowing and you can also see the dove, which represents spirit far above the cup, which is also causing the cup to overflow and replenish. The pond below the pond represents you and your source, and so sometimes this card comes up when it's time for you to renew yourself by plugging into what makes your spirit feel renewed, by plugging into what makes you feel the most love and the most joy.

Frank 34:42

So when this card is coming up, it's really telling you to let love be the answer, to read a lot more. How about that?

Lauren 34:48

Look at that.

Frank 34:50

You cut off his own plug.

Lauren 34:51

To read a lot more or to schedule a session with Elliot, visit elliotoraclecom.

Frank 34:56

That's actually exactly it. All right. So I opened the book. I didn't read anything, but it made me remember one more thing here when you are moving forward authentically and with your best intentions, you cannot be afraid of of flexing your own power to make change right, and it's going to be uncomfortable, but that's where we grow and also what there's no, there's no option other than to move forward through your life, guided by your own principles and what you're about. So if you're doing anything but that, you're probably kind of like that weird discomfort, comfortable, where you need to make a change. So let that discomfort be the guide that you reference, let it be your compass that you reference for which direction to move in. The last thing you want to do is be comfortable all the time. We're here to learn, we're here to grow. Make some changes and use your principles to fucking do the thing, man, do it.

Lauren 35:58

Make the big moves. Make the big move. It's moving, time it's moving time. It's actually not for another month at least, but we are in moving time.

Frank 36:10

Yeah.

Lauren 36:10

Do the thing, make the moves. We love you.

Frank 36:14

We love you.

Lauren 36:15

And we did it all for the glory of love.

Frank 36:22

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