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077: The Healing Arts // with Freda Maletsky

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Healer and channel Freda Maletsky joins Lauren and Frank for a deeply moving conversation about healing, self-love, and discovering one’s spiritual gifts later in life. Freda’s story is one of radical transformation—from surviving childhood abuse and numbing through workaholism to awakening to her own divine essence through disciplined daily practice. After hitting an emotional rock bottom in 2019, she devoted five years to a walking meditation and energetic clearing ritual that helped her shed layers of pain and uncover her true self.

In this episode, Freda shares grounded, accessible tools for reconnecting with the body and soul. She opens up about the surprising moment she began channeling the Galactic Federation of Light, emphasizing that spiritual awakening often unfolds in unexpected ways. This candid conversation offers insight for anyone on a healing path, especially those curious about reclaiming their power from trauma and tuning into higher guidance.

If you’re navigating your own inner shift—or simply longing for more joy and self-trust—Freda’s story reminds us that we are not broken, we are becoming. 

To connect or work with Freda:

Visit: www.fredahealing.com/

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Lauren:

Hello, all you sparkly goblins of the earthly realm. In this episode, frank and I talked to Frida Maletsky, a healer channel and intuitive medium. We talked about releasing and healing trauma and moving towards joy in your life. I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank:

And I'm a little teapot.

Lauren:

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition, and this is episode 77 of Claire Voyaging. Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging every day, every day. What what?

Frank:

how's it going, guys, hey?

Lauren:

welcome back to another episode of claire voyaging.

Frank:

Oh, frank's letting the beat drop I just felt it for a second yeah, what's going on? Everybody yeah you made it back. Well, you found your way back traveler.

Lauren:

Thank you very much. Back to the earthly realm you little goblins are sparkly goblins you little goblins. Hey, I, let I let chat gpt. Give me sparkly goblins today.

Frank:

Oh, that's fun.

Lauren:

I thought that was absolutely ridiculous.

Frank:

Lauren, do you want to tell everybody the name of your ChatGPT?

Lauren:

Moonbeam.

Frank:

You heard it here first Lauren Daly has stopped asking me for advice and now talks to Moonbeam.

Lauren:

I say well, I wonder what Moonbeam's going toam's gonna have to say about this, not even mad about it wait, what's your chat?

Frank:

gpt's name mine doesn't numa. If you don't, if you haven't played with it, you know it can be a real great sounding board.

Lauren:

Wait and also frank's chat. Gpt is, I mean, you know, like they're very, it's very complimentary and it'll be like that's a great idea. Frank's is like over the moon about his brilliance and I'm like oh no, don't say that great, just get married already. Oh no, don't say that. Oh great, Just get married already.

Frank:

Lauren's jealous of Numa. I said don't be jealous, Numa is my lesbian best friend like robot Numa will be like.

Lauren:

wow Frank, that's one of the most insightful questions you could possibly ask.

Frank:

I'm like good God. It says that to like everybody.

Lauren:

I, I know it's true. Uh, moonbeam thinks I'm really smart. You know, sometimes you just need a little ai to tell you you are a sparkly goblin lauren gets all the like, very like fluffy language that she doesn't get from me bestie, bestie language, like your best, most like cheerleady friend, that's like amped about every idea you have yeah, that's moonbeam.

Frank:

It's you know what I get it that's not.

Lauren:

That's not my role here frank's role is to question, to push to p, and Moonbeam is like absolutely Best idea, love it. You are doing everything the way you should be. I'm unstoppable.

Frank:

Wow, that's so nice.

Lauren:

Anyway, the voice I selected for mine sounds just like Jodie Foster, so as far, as I'm concerned, I am talking to Jodie Foster, and Jodie Foster thinks Frank is brilliant anyway, someone has to guys, I just want to thank everyone who has donated to our documentary so far.

Lauren:

We have a little over a week left to fundraise. Donations are ongoing, but we currently have a very specific campaign for our documentary. So if you want to contribute and you want some cool rewards, shout outs. Little behind the scenes stuff. We have Q&A stuff. Go to clairevoyagingcom. Slash support and click on the link for the 501c3. Right, frank, correct, okay.

Frank:

I have a thing.

Lauren:

Oh, go on.

Frank:

This. Yeah, I think this moment right now is going to be the last time we're in this studio, so there is also a slight chance that moving forward not moving forward forever, but like maybe for the next month or something we might be audio only, I don't know we gotta get things yeah we're moving, I have to start tearing stuff down and but we will rebuild and better this space has been ours for, especially for this podcast, has been ours for the last over like year and a half yeah but specifically for you it's been a lot.

Lauren:

It's been a lot of work in here yeah and you built this with your bare hands with my bare hands yeah, and I like to think that he has bare hands like a bear anyway, and you know what?

Frank:

you've only heard me complain about it. It's got no windows gets. It's a little stuffy and I love it, but it's time to leave it, because that's what doing hard things is about.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Sometimes you got to make space for the new stuff, yeah. And that's what we're doing.

Lauren:

Yeah, so you are literally with us on this journey, as we say goodbye to something we've been in for a long time and we say hello to a new adventure. There we go. Thanks for being with us on this journey, by the way, but first, frida, for a long time and we say hello to a new adventure. There we go. Thanks for being with us on this journey, by the way. But first Frida. Let's get to Frida. So Frida is amazing. She recently started her spiritual business, but she's been putting in the work for many years now and she's full of life.

Lauren:

She is such a great example of someone who is really living into their joy and finding what makes them sparkle Like a sparkly goblin.

Frank:

One of the very fun things about this interview, too, is that she is just at the beginning of her teaching journey.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

So if you ever wondered what that transition looks like, well, stay tuned, because she tells you a little bit about some of the discomforts as she herself is growing. Also, she's friends with Renny.

Lauren:

Renny Merkel was her teacher.

Frank:

Oh, that's what it is, yeah.

Lauren:

Yeah, so she's recently learned how to channel and you'll hear all about it. Yeah, so with that let's rock and roll. Frida, thank you so much for joining us today. On Claire Voyaging, we're thrilled to have you here and can't wait to hear about your story.

Freda:

So if you would, please give us some of your backstory and tell us how you got here. Yeah, I would love to Thank you so much for having me. So I've always been a spiritual seeker my entire life and I've had some major moments along the sort of like linear chart of my life that were sort of like major bullet point moments. So I would just start with I had a really traumatic childhood and then I disclosed my sexual abuse at age 11. My parents hopped on it and they got me into therapy and I had 13 years of therapy. So I would say that is like one chunk of my life. Then I was very angry and moved into this next period of my life. That was like pretty dark and it was. I know darkness is sort of the way that I would put this and through that sort of dark journey I ended up sort of falling asleep for about 15 years and the thing that I was the most interested in during those 15 years was working as a high-end event planner. I was interested in making money and I had a pretty horrific eating disorder, so I was very interested in the size of my waist and people-pleasing. So there was that period of time and then, moving from that I ended up having. It was like kind of at the point where it was like I cannot continue to live this way. I am going to die if I do not. Something in my life doesn't change and ended up having this catastrophic spiritual awakening, which was alcohol fueled and sort of got blackout drunk and from that moment, I woke up the next day and it was like, okay, I can't live that way anymore. Okay, universe, it's like something has to radically change and that is the moment that I changed my life. So in 2019, it was New Year's when that incident happened From there forward, it was like I started getting my nose into spiritual text, was like I started getting my nose into spiritual text. I completely quit drinking, I quit smoking cigarettes. I realized that my work, that I was doing, was unfulfilling and I needed to find a different way and I completely upended and changed my life, which was thankfully for me.

Freda:

The pandemic came along and in 2020. And to me it was the biggest thing, that, the greatest gift that could have ever happened to me, because it gave me the ability to go within. I learned how to meditate and I started a walking meditation practice so that, no matter what, every day I got myself outside and I was doing walking meditation and I learned to through reading different spiritual texts, the surrender release process and I just started moving the energy through my body, move it through, move it through, and it's now been five years of me just dedicated every single day of my life. This is what I do. Is I get this trauma, get it out of here, get it out of here. And I like to jokingly say get it out, root and branch out of here, get it out of here.

Lauren:

And I like to jokingly say get it out, root and branch.

Freda:

I actually don't actually know if I could ever really quite excavate it to that level, but I love going that deep. So, being unwilling to excuse me, being incredibly willing to walk through the fire, to come through that and, yeah, just alchemize suffering into love is like my whole jam. And like in doing this trauma healing work and working with healers, reading texts, walking, meditation and just spending every day of my life like literally doing this, my husband and I worked out our finances and it was just like I'm going to get well, he gave me that gift. He was like so that it was just like, girl, you do this. Yeah, it got it to a point where I was like, okay, I feel confident I can help others at this point.

Freda:

So, and that was just like the automatic road that I wanted to take, because there's like a light is within and every day I'm glad to get up and every day I'm happy to be here and I just love my life so much because I'm choosing this life, I choose it, I choose this body, I choose this life, I choose everything. So to be in the ecstasy and miracle of every single day is so delicious that I just want to share that and to be able to help others go from just incredible suffering, because I know what that's like is to just be in so much pain that it's like almost like not wanting to be here anymore and then choosing to be here.

Freda:

Yeah so that's sort of the story oh wow, thank you for sharing that yeah, that's really cool.

Lauren:

Yeah, that's that's so. It's so beautiful to there's such a through line too, with so many of the people that we've talked to that have gotten to the point where they are now, have experienced a tremendous amount of trauma and and have, like, healed it, gotten through it and are now. We always talk about alchemizing your trauma into wisdom for others, and I love how you said turning it into love is so. That's so beautiful.

Frank:

Tell me more about your process. I have I have a vested interest in this question. Tell me more about your process of, or what it was like when you were working in a position or in an industry, or just in a manner that didn't resonate with you yeah, um, what was it like?

Freda:

uh, I knew it was out of alignment, but the traumas within me made me not think that I was worthy to make another choice uh, yeah, this the business I was in, I worked with my sister, so it had a family dynamic also.

Freda:

I had a codependent codependent with my sister, um, and it felt like misery. I just knew that it was incorrect. I knew there was another way to be. What I was seeking in the beginning was peace in my heart. I needed to find peace and I was self-soothing with food, so like I was a binge eater, so it was like in order to soothe myself, to even be able to do the work that I was doing and keep going and pushing as hard as I was, I was working like 60, 80 hours a week. It's like I mean, event planning is no joke. You guys know, being in California. Like these events are crazy.

Frank:

You know what's funny? Now that I think about it, we know another very talented medium who used to work in event planning and I'm wondering if event planning is just a catalyst.

Lauren:

You want to get crouched wide open or like it's somewhere to put the intensity that's that's in you, like I mean any form of like diving into work or overworking is a form of just like pushing your trauma down.

Freda:

Yeah, I mean but event planning too, for being an intuitive. It's, like you know, I can pre anticipate and and also, like you know the codependence I'm pre-anticipate and also, like you know, the codependence I'm pre-anticipating people's needs. Oh, give me, you know we're amazing event planners because you're just like getting everything before you. Oh, my God, I couldn't have even asked for that. Yes, because I locked it for the room yeah.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Right.

Lauren:

So did you like when you were a kid, was there that like connection to spirit? Like were you like experiencing things psychically or what like? How did that? Was you just pushing it all down for for years?

Freda:

that's a really great question when I try to like think back. Yes, I had really bizarre experiences as a child and I was a weird kid um who's not like truly, kids are weird, like I have it.

Freda:

so, like I experienced my sexual abuse from like the ages of like five to seven and, like I remember, things used to, so I was a mess. I mean, as you could. You can imagine, right, you're like this little kid and then this stuff happens to you and then it's like, and then just hiding it and being really secretive about it Because I thought I was you know, it's my fault, of course so internalizing that and then weird stuff would happen. Like I was born in 1980, but when I was a kid we had this game that was on the shelf called rattle me bones and like the thing would just like go off in the box and start shaking and going crazy I remember that game yes, we're like we had this doll that was like cricket, it was like this automated doll that was like, and the doll would like just start talking and doing her tape when, like you know.

Freda:

so, yes, there was definitely weird stuff when I was little, or like this organ would just play, scared me, right, so that it scared me.

Freda:

So like, yes, but in a way that I just was like, turn away, ignore, like there was a scary aspect to it because it had a lot of darkness because of the abuse that was going on, right, but then nowadays there is nothing even remotely close to anything like that. I am afraid of nothing. Like my vibration is super elevated, nothing like that is even close to me or near me. But like I do understand, like when you're in the pit of suffering and like the deep dark hole, there is lower vibrational stuff bumping around in there. That you know, that's the process that's excavating, that. That's the five years that I spent pulling it out, as I say, root and branch, even though it's not totally gone, you know, but like the willingness to get at the bottom yeah but yes, as a child there was weird stuff, but nothing that I clocked as in like I would say I was a psychic kid or anything like that.

Lauren:

That's, that's interesting. Yeah, I've always. I mean some, some psychics will say that there's no dark, dark entities, like that's not a thing or whatever. But but I've also heard, like what you're saying, like there's lower vibration, like attachments, or you know things like that.

Freda:

So I'm like a channel so I call myself a channel of divine light so like I'll open up and I'm talking to stuff that's coming through me. I am not afraid of anything. Like the frequency that I am out is like this is nothing's coming at me, I'm completely and totally protected. Like this is nothing's coming at me, I'm completely and totally protected. But I'm not going to sit here and say that I didn't come through a darkness where there was like a period of remove, remove, remove and scary stuff was coming out of my body. So it's like there's a like removing of trauma and field in order to get clearer and clearer, so that there's more of a connection to divine universe source, my I am presence, connected to my higher self, so that I can hear that stuff. Cause it's about removing the programming and the illusions and the lower frequency stuff from the system Right?

Frank:

So you had mentioned in your story. You had mentioned the surrender release process. Is that kind of what you're talking about right now?

Freda:

Yes, that is definitely how I got started, and I learned how to do that in Michael Singer's book the Untethered Soul.

Frank:

Oh yeah, oh, you read that Lauren, didn't you?

Lauren:

I started it and I never finished it.

Frank:

I'll edit that out, can you? Can you? I'm keeping it in, so can you explain that process for me a little bit, cause I haven't heard it before?

Freda:

Yeah, and I find this super helpful to me. I'm like this is the whole bag. Hey, humanity, learn how to do this. This is it. So our bodies, when trauma comes in, we get something you hold onto it. I like this, I don't like it, but you hang onto it within your body and that just builds up a little energy block somewhere within your field. Where does it sit? Who knows, what chakra is it in, what organ is it sitting on? But it's something hangs out and sits in your body and then the next time that something triggers you, it might trigger that little hurt piece and then you're gonna put another piece on top and another piece on top, right, I mean, I'm 44 years old, you know, at the time I was like 40, right, 39. And like I'm full of this stuff.

Freda:

So it's about, consciously, when a trigger comes up, um, noticing it. So there's like you have to sit in in present moment awareness. You're sitting in your witness consciousness, but you notice it. Oh, I'm triggered right now. Gosh, where is that trigger within my body?

Freda:

So, finding it? So there's also a level of like let's get sensitive and tune into our own bodies. So we're going to find it within our field. Oh, I'm feeling it, let's say, in the root chakra, feeling it in my root. So then we're going to like, not write a story about it, like, and just keep adding to it and go in like riding a train or a horse down the track, like letting it go free. You're just feeling it, feeling into it and just allowing it and you don't write a story around it, and then you just surrender and release it, just allow it to walk, to move through you. And I personally love to do this work in walking meditation and that's just the walking meditation practice is just being completely tuned into your body and surroundings and just being really in the present moment of being here now and walking. So my body loves movement and yeah, so these triggers would come up and I would just surrender release, surrender release, and I did this for like two years.

Lauren:

So when you're walking or doing the walking meditation, is there something? Are you listening to something or are you like, how are you, I guess? How are you triggering the trigger, Like what is forcing that to come up when you're doing the walking meditation? Or?

Freda:

like. How are you looking at that? That's a great question. The intention at the beginning of the walk was to invite it all in God universe source. What are you going to bring up and what can we remove in this session?

Lauren:

What can you get? What can we do today? Yeah, wow, that's great, that's gotta be. I mean doing that every day, that's. That's exhausting, though, too.

Freda:

Like this is who I am, so like the most gritty, most tenacious, most resilient. If you have somebody, that's just like I don't want to be here anymore, and then it's like I choose to be alive. I refuse to suffer anymore. This is my job.

Lauren:

So like there's like a level of just like it's that's a personality thing yeah, I've got so much fire I'm gonna burn it all to the ground so let me ask you I love it though that's so, I mean, it's so great. I'm sure the like daily exercise of doing that just kind of got it out a little, a little more quickly, like no, it's like a muscle.

Frank:

It's a muscle memory yeah, yeah frida's a power lifter here of emotional alchemizing yeah, that is.

Freda:

You know what. That is, what it is. And, like also, I want to fully, truly, deeply, truly believe absolutely anyone can learn to do this.

Lauren:

You just have to practice right, yeah everyone has gifts so when I, when I was in reiki um, that we did a meditation that was like if there's a there, if there's a trauma or a situation or something that you want to let go of, you want to release, we're going to meditate on where that might be sitting in your body.

Lauren:

Exactly what you said, and I've probably talked about this on the show already, but it was for me. There was like okay, I know what I want to work on or heal right now, and I was expecting it to be in my heart or something I was like I'm probably going to feel it, you know, here in my heart chakra, and it was in my solar plexus and I was like, oh, that's interesting, and like it kind of made me do this, like deep dive into why is it held there? What is that responsible for? You know, the feelings of self-worth and all this stuff, and just like diving into even just a couple of moments in time from, maybe when I was like three or four. It was a lot of unearthing of like all those emotions and it was a really emotional couple of weeks because it was like processing all this shit. Yes, you know, yes, but yeah it's so. I'm so inspired by your daily work in doing that, because, I mean, I really am a masochist.

Freda:

I'm a masochist, I know I am abnormal. I recognize that. I know that.

Lauren:

But like I mean, I was like crying and stuff too, like I'm just thinking of like doing a walking meditation. I'd probably be like I need to bring my glasses, I need to bring my hat, I need to bring my glasses, I need to bring my hat. I don't want anyone to see me weeping, but I guess, if you're kind of just in the woods or in a mountain, maybe it's, I care zero what other people think of me.

Freda:

I wouldn't be able to do this work, I wouldn't be able to talk the way I talk, put my face out there if I cared. And again, that's a lot of like going through the process of just shedding, shedding, shedding the layers and just being like I don't care.

Lauren:

That's great, then clearly a sign that I need to shed more.

Frank:

I mean she said she came from being like a people pleaser, is one of those things to work through. You know, the, yeah, the, the living authentically the way you're doing it, Frida, it's so cool.

Freda:

Yeah, and still learning what authentically means, because you're still meeting me like really early on, like I've only had my business and I'm only helping people for two months, two weeks, so I am very early.

Frank:

I actually wanted to ask you, oh my gosh. What? How long did it take? Well, I guess I got my answer. I was going to ask you how long. How long did it take you to go from like you are, you know, healing yourself and becoming more yourself to feeling ready to help other people?

Freda:

Five years and the idea of doing this or the idea of being a healer or working with energy, being able to talk to angels, guides being a channel never on my bingo card, none of that, no clue. I'm a visual artist like I'm an illustrator like never. The event planning floral never occurred to me that this is the direction I was going in, and in me doing my healing work, one by one, these different things started to come online. So the more you clear out of your system, the more access you have to other things.

Frank:

Every time I think I'm in a good spot, I talk to somebody. I'm like oh, dude, I have so much work to do. You know also, like I'll probably edit this part out, but because I don't want to talk about it nonstop, we keep talking about it. But the you know, because we're going through a move now or about to go through a move, it's bringing up a lot of discomfort. You know what I mean.

Freda:

Yeah, Moving is one of the biggest ones you can go through. My husband and I we still have stuff around that stuff Really.

Frank:

Oh.

Freda:

God, yeah, yeah.

Frank:

Wait, where did you move from?

Freda:

So my husband and I lived in. We had a okay. So we were owner occupied, evicted and we lived in Oakland from this apartment that we'd been in seven years and we loved it. We weren't going to leave that place. So that's trauma times 10.

Lauren:

That brought us all the things yeah times 10.

Freda:

That brought us all the things and from there the rents were so high in this neighborhood that we loved, because California, because that's what happened, it gentrified.

Freda:

Yeah, so we ended up buying a small condo together in another part of Oakland and we spent the pandemic in this small condo and then we did a we sold the condo and bought a house. So going through that type thing and the insanity of all of that in California and the Bay area and craziness oh my God. My husband and I do work around housing and I still have. I mean, listen please. Again, I am a work in progress. I still have codependent stuff with my husband that comes through. If it's going to come up somewhere, it comes up with him.

Frank:

The person you're closest with? Yeah, of course.

Freda:

Oh, the housing stuff is brutal. Oh, it's awful, it's so hard, it's miserable, it's so hard.

Frank:

I mean that's your foundation. It's so hard, it's miserable, it's so hard. I mean that's your, that's your foundation, it's your home base, literally. Yeah. So to have that uprooted it's a lot, it's a lot.

Lauren:

Yeah, okay, yeah.

Frank:

Your husband sounds cool, by the way.

Freda:

Yes, my husband is awesome and he's totally punk rock and the idea of like all of the stuff that I'm into. He is amazing because he's incredibly supportive of me and, like the core of the two of us is, we want to have the best for each other. What does that look like? And it is super allowed to change as far as him believing in any of the stuff that I get into, oh no that's fine even if he sees you doing it like he's still like.

Lauren:

I don't believe it um explain.

Freda:

Sees me doing it.

Lauren:

I don't like, like if he, I mean, if there's like a clear like I don't know evidential, like mediumship thing that you are like this person, I, I connected with their whatever, their grandmother or whatever, yeah, He'll listen to me, and then he says I don't believe that Listen, you know what.

Frank:

Bless his honesty, the reason why I still like hold on to cause I have I have punk rock in my heart. I was in bands and stuff in high school. I was in bands and stuff in high school. The reason why I still like hold in my heart this, this punkness, is because the the core of punk rock is is live and let live Right and like lack of judgment and all that stuff. So the, the fact that he like is fully supportive, even if he doesn't believe it, is maybe cooler than just buying in fully. I think that's super, super cool and super empowering.

Lauren:

Yeah, yeah, that's pretty awesome.

Freda:

I am genuinely lucky and I appreciate it. It is something that I truly am grateful for. I wouldn't be where I am without his love and support, because I knew my physical 3d needs were met, so he let me get and be and go as deep as I was able to.

Frank:

That's so cool.

Lauren:

That's really beautiful yeah.

Frank:

That's awesome.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Let me ask you a weird question. I've noticed we've talked to a lot of people on the show and COVID keeps coming up. Covid keeps coming up as a catalyst.

Lauren:

I was going to say that too.

Frank:

Yeah, and like what? What the hell man? Is it because we had downtime or is it because COVID was some like big energetic push of some kind?

Freda:

I would probably describe that as being a moment where we all had to stop, like we were all forced to stop and forced to maybe pay attention to a little bit more of the beauty and have gratitude for the things that we had, so like. I know that it was incredibly challenging and people were falling away and perishing. You know, I mean, this is intense stuff and simultaneously, you know, families were able to have dinner together and families are home and they're taking a walk in the middle of the day and you're meeting your neighbors and you're starting sustainable gardens. You're getting your hands in the earth and that's something that you never were going to be able to do because you're sitting in traffic for three hours, right. So I think there was, if people chose it, it was a real heart opening place where, a place where you had the ability to maybe meet yourself yeah get a little more clarity.

Freda:

I mean, people don't want to go back to the office after that because they found some different kinds of freedom, right. So, like it is a rewriting in a way it was, it was a moment yeah yeah, pretty, yeah, it was pretty significant, obviously.

Frank:

I feel like lauren and I spent a lot of time just living in the trauma.

Lauren:

We could have done better we had a two-year-old at the time and it was like, oh just, it felt like daily, a daily slog, because to keep her entertained was like really tough and yeah I was just, I was I was having. Yeah, I had a lot of. I had a lot of like. Things are never gonna be the same. Things are never gonna be better.

Lauren:

You did you did say that a few times I was like so sad I was feeling, uh, the collective, like fear and sadness, and that was tough, for for me, I didn't. It wasn't even like directly affected by anything. It was more just like the news of like everyone suffering was just like we're never gonna come out, we're going to live inside our homes forever, like life as we know it is different and terrible, and that's the takeaway, and that's the end of the show.

Frank:

Today, everybody listening.

Lauren:

It was a real tower moment, everything shakes, yeah, yeah, well, also simultaneously, like you said, like um really being in, I still also had a lot of gratitude for, like because our daughter was home with us. I was like I'm seeing her changes and her growth in real time, which is so cool. Like as much of a challenge as this is for me, who I didn't want to be a and I just didn't want to be a stay at home mom and I just was kind of forced to be. There was a lot of like beauty in that and just like Hanging out and slowing down with my two year old yeah, even though at the end of the day, I'd be like where's the.

Frank:

Where's the world going?

Lauren:

Yeah, and let's watch Tiger King.

Freda:

I love Tiger King so much. I remember when that happened it was like, oh man, unleash the tigers. Nothing could get worse. It was amazing. We all needed it at that moment in time. We needed it.

Lauren:

Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I could, I could go on, cause I was also like training for a five K right before the pandemic. And yeah, I didn't use the, I didn't use all of it as momentum, I used it as a deep dive.

Frank:

We used it. We used it to fund Frito-Lay as a company. It was lots of potato chips, it was lots of light beers. We could have done better is what I'm saying.

Freda:

Don't judge yourselves. It is what it is.

Lauren:

It's all good, it's okay, the lessons come in many different forms. Sure.

Frank:

And we're better for it. We have a lot more cholesterol. It's fine. Anyway, congrats on you for doing the right thing.

Freda:

Yeah, I don't think it has that judgment on it. It's like, honestly, honey, it was like I was so miserable, I was so miserable.

Frank:

Sure.

Freda:

That, covid, was better than the misery I was in, so it's like when you look at it that way. It's like I mean, think about working 60, 80 hours a week. Get out of here, you know it's like yeah, right. To, to stop in that way and then remember who I am, because I was so enmeshed with everybody else to like be able to like stop talking to my sister, like, move those connections apart and remember, like, feel what is free to feel, like I didn't know.

Lauren:

Right now I get that the, the slowdown of like just in general, um, not feeling like you need to be at someone, be at everyone's beck and call to that people please. I'm, I am a recovering people pleaser and still actively working on it all the time. Um, but that not feeling like, um, the pressure of like everyone needs me to be somewhere, or so you know that kind of thing was a positive yeah, it makes us reassess our values.

Freda:

What do I actually want to do? I stopped doing shoulds. I check in with stuff. I'm like and like waiting to respond, like let me sit with my body for a second, let me check in, let me run that through my system. Do I actually want to do that? Yes or no? And, like you know, I'm just. I'm not doing any shoulds anymore, that's so me too yeah. Occasionally a birthday present or it's Christmas time or that kind of thing. There's some shoulds on the table, but for the most part I don't do shoulds.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's been super helpful. For me too it's such a good practice to like do that assessment, I still have. I do the assessment. I just have a fear on carrying out the. I should do this, but I totally don't want to, and and there's a fear for me sometimes around around um, like falling back into the should a little bit. You know what I mean. Yeah, so now I'm like, oh, I should, I should not care about what I should do, and yet I'm still gonna do it, still still.

Freda:

So that's where is that? What is that in your body? Let's just say more about that.

Frank:

Oh, I guess I would need a specific example. Okay, here's a great one. Um, you know, uh, like like going to a birthday party. So I, I have a lot. I used to just call it social anxiety. It's not that I'm overwhelmed by people's energy, especially when there's a lot of it and especially when people are comfortable in conflict.

Freda:

You're an empath.

Frank:

Yeah. So I like sometimes I don't want to go and it's fair. Yeah, it's fair. But that's one of those things where it's like sometimes I don't. And everyone knows it, everyone knows it, everyone knows that sometimes Frank won't go and I know that in those moments I have to just accept the judgment, because if I don't have the energy for it that day, I'll accept the judgment. And the people who are used to taking offense to that Like, oh Frank's not here, I'm offended, I'm like I'm sorry, it's not a promise, it's not about you at all, that kind of thing.

Freda:

So I don't have friends that get offended, so I guess it's literally you gotta weed them out like that was getting offended. You're not showing up, it's like you gotta take care of friend you take care of you through right, like frank takes care of frank that's like 99.9 percent. That's then you're gonna have friends that are saying Frank, I'm so glad that you're taking care of yourself, Honey. I love seeing you take care of yourself like that. That's beautiful yeah.

Frank:

You do you. That's something to consider.

Freda:

You're taking on other people's stuff. Get out of here.

Frank:

Yeah, I know.

Freda:

Life's too short.

Lauren:

That was true.

Frank:

Yeah, let me ask you something real quick, cause you talked about like um. You talked about like, oh, working like like 60, 80 hours a week, um, is ridiculous now in your mind. But also something that I've been doing myself is like redefining what work is, um, because I used to work and I used to have jobs I hated, and I have decided, uh, to not do that anymore, and so that's. I'm going through a very similar journey. Yeah, cool, yeah, um, but I do realize now. So for you, you might not you're you're not calling event plan or you were calling event planning work, but you are technically working all the time because you're doing the work on yourself and you've been like learning, and then you are you're talking to people like us about how to do that for ourselves. Like I, I have been trying to redefine that as work. Still just not, I'm trying to disassociate the misery and work terms.

Freda:

You know what I mean yeah, I do it because I love it, this lights me up.

Freda:

This makes me happy, and never in a million years do I think I'd ever want to sit in front of a microphone and like run my mouth. No, I never thought that was going to be who I ended up being, but it's just like I have such a bliss inside of me. I want to inspire and and lift up and excite others to also like come on, y'all, you can do this. Let's do our healing work and let's you know you know, remember that it's.

Freda:

It's we chose this you know, we're a soul having a human experience. You chose your body. You chose all the things that are coming at you. Let's sink into it and suffer less. How about?

Frank:

it.

Lauren:

Yeah, that's really great. So when you talk about healing like, are you doing energy healing, like?

Freda:

what's your modality? That's a really great question. So I started a program called Return to Self Love and it is a private online community and we meet every morning from 7 a 7 am to 7 30 uh, online and you don't have to be in there because every day's recording lives in a platform with handouts and all that. But, um, it is a daily place where we get grounded together and then we, you know, spirit brings some sort of healing through and my ideal students are myself five years ago. So I'm looking for those dedicated cats that are like, really ready to sink in and, you know, the teachers, the people who are like waking up and they're going to be teachers. Yeah, those are my ideal students. But this community is a very safe place that exists. I've been doing it two months and two weeks so far and I love it and I love teaching every day and it completely lights me up and that is the way that I have been sharing. And then I've also run like a full moon women's circle on the full moon.

Frank:

Oh, that's cool, that's fun. Wait, what's that?

Freda:

We do a releasing ceremony so I lead folks through. You asked what my modality is and the answer is gosh, because it's like everything like what do you want to?

Freda:

it's like whatever comes comes through at the time. So it's like I'll just open up the top of my head and then healing light comes through and we do this and then put some light into you and like or we do sometimes different kinds of spirit is going to just speak out of my mouth and we just move the energy through folks' bodies. But the whole thing with my morning healing group is just every day we're clearing the trauma, just like I talked about doing in the walking meditation. So it's that commitment to showing up for yourself every day, get deeply grounded and then clear, clear, clear this trauma out of your system. And my whole jam is about getting people connected to their higher selves.

Freda:

I never want anybody to become dependent on me. I want people using their discernment, getting connected to them and just helping to clear the things out of the way so that they can hear themselves. Because sometimes we have like it's like oh, am I pursuing that career choice or that house or those clothes, or even dyeing my hair, choosing to remove hair or not remove hair from my body, like, or plastic surgery? Whatever choices you're making in your life, are those coming from society or like what you've been learned or told to do? Or is that coming from your deep inner truth that you want your connection? From you? That's saying yes, I want that thing. So just like clearing all that noise out of the way so you can hear yourself is like my whole jam.

Lauren:

I love that.

Freda:

I can't stand anybody that's trying to like I can't stand predictions. I was surprised. I can't stand anybody that's trying to like I can't stand predictions. I can't. I can't stand people asking the silly questions to psychics like well, what are the lottery numbers or what? What is going on with this or that? It's just go look in the mirror and you do you. You're great with yourself, and then everything else will fall into place yeah kind of where I'm at.

Lauren:

I know that's the true, like heal, like healing, is not needing, like sorry, sorry to the psychics and mediums out there, but not needing one, then they, they will tell. I feel like a lot of them are the first to tell you you don't need a medium or a psychic. If you are willing to tap in and ask your higher self the questions that you want, put down your phone and get quiet and ask your questions and automatic writing.

Freda:

It's a wonderful way People can start with automatic writing and they can start talking to their higher selves today.

Lauren:

Talk about automatic writing. Let's talk about that real quick In case no one has done that, or in case there's someone that hasn't done that.

Freda:

So you can just sort of sit down, plant both feet flat on the floor. You can drop your energetic roots. So like, imagine you have roots dropping down into the earth, 500 from each foot. Drop a grounding cord from your root. Just get grounded. Just get really grounded and centered in yourself. Pull your awareness down below your heart, in your lower three chakras. Right, because sometimes we have a tendency to hang out outside of ourselves, to the side of ourselves. Just get your awareness in your body, get embodied. You know, maybe just hand on the heart, do some deep breathing. You're going to get relaxed, you're going to pull yourself into your body so that you're not in the head, right?

Lauren:

Yeah.

Freda:

Take your pen, your favorite pen or whatever pencil, and then you're just going to sit with your notebook, spirit what is in my best and highest good to know about today, or what is my best and highest good to know about X, y, z and then just keep your attention and your energy in the lower parts of your body and then see what comes through. And then you know it might be quiet for a little while and eventually you know you might hear it and start writing it out, or your pen might just start moving and it's just going to come through your body. We have access to this. I would love both of you to do this later today. Yeah.

Lauren:

I feel like we need to do that more. I did it. I took an intuitive. I had an intuitive healing mentorship for a year and that was like one of the first classes was doing that, and I think I like the visual of being grounded like that because I don't know, I think my brain was wanting results or it was wanting like, it was feeling like like you said up here, and it wasn't like in my body. So I want to try it again, because then it's like well, am I just making this up or did I? Is this something that I actually heard from my higher self, or did I just? My brain went like I like popcorn or something you know, and that's every single one of lauren's deep journals.

Lauren:

Just says surprisingly a lot about popcorn. I found a notebook.

Frank:

I opened every single page, said I love popcorn. I said we, we need some, we need something else my higher self is very into popcorn I love that so much because pops like popcorn, I call it super popcorn.

Freda:

But that's actually one of my favorite foods, which is like well, doing a big bowl of popcorn, but it's super popcorn because it just has the calories popcorn. But then I go to the like pantry and I just dump a whole bunch of other shit in it but it's still popcorn popcorn is lauren's topic.

Frank:

Used to just eat peanut m&ms, that's that is what's up.

Lauren:

Best combo ever. I didn't realize until you were talking about right automatic writing that I have a.

Frank:

Really that is what's up. Best combo ever. I didn't realize until you were talking about automatic writing, that I have a really hard time living in my body. I don't know if I like. I'm like neck up.

Freda:

It's really uncomfortable. We're heavy. Oh yeah, it's uncomfortable. You've got to learn how to get used to it. We hurt A lot of times. Our bodies hurt. It can be really painful, you get you get in there and you start talking to it and asking it what it needs. And there's your secrets, like these are the secrets to life and they're not it. They're like not a big deal. But then the steps, like getting there.

Frank:

It's like practice you know, yeah, I'm very good at like feeling my sensations and stuff and then addressing them from there, but it's like I'm always living here, it's like there's like some kind of disconnect.

Lauren:

I feel like this is a very good practice for you.

Frank:

And then even when I meditate like I do the you know, meditating in a way where I'm asking for guidance these days, right, or or asking for things to come in, so I'm trying to expand my awareness literally outside of my body, I don't ever just live in the lower three chakras. That's like a wild concept to me, cause when I've gone to sat down I'm like let me try automatic writing, and then I just ended up writing. I love popcorn, you know, it's always coming. It's a common theme. It's coming from like a brain dump place where I'm just like getting things out, right.

Lauren:

Never just seeing what comes.

Freda:

So that's yeah, that's, that's something for me to try something for both of us to try yeah the idea of like morning meditation, where you get in, you get in your body in the morning and you drop your roots. So you're going to be dropping your roots down through your feet, drop this idea of this energetic grounding cord from, like your root chakra just down to the earth and then, yeah, you're just going to, like, you just hand on the heart like three deep breaths together. We could even do it together if you wanted to but taking these three deep breaths, noticing before and then noticing after, really just pulling yourself in there and sitting in the lower three chakras and you can just feel you get heavy. You're getting in there, sitting in the lower three chakras and you can just feel you get heavy. You're getting in there, you're getting embodied and then, throughout your meditation process, throughout your automatic writing, wiggle your toes, feel your bum on the chair where you're sitting, pull yourself back there, because our brains do want to just like go bing and like go run after something.

Freda:

It's a practice to remember to nope come back. It's like a dog, right? You have to tell the dog to leave it. A practice to remember to nope come back. It's like a dog, right, you have to tell the dog to leave it. You have to tell the dog to don't go over there, don't eat that, don't? You know? It's like we're telling our brains, we're training our brains. A little puppy little puppy?

Frank:

uh, quick question. This is a very basic question, but you know, in speaking of grounding, you know, as far as the uh, I never know what to call people who don't necessarily engage in these type of topics.

Frank:

I always end up saying I call them normies, but whatever it's the wrong word, I'm going to say it again, though. In the normies world, like, the concept of grounding is having a moment, but it's very much focused on the types of materials you have around you or, like you know, getting your feet in the ground. Can you tell me like you can ground yourself without being in the right like, without having your feet in the dirt? Absolutely okay yeah, and it's just this like intentional way yeah, we do.

Freda:

You guys want to get grounded together.

Frank:

We can do it right now.

Freda:

Yeah, yeah. So just go ahead and close your eyes and we're just going to go ahead and we're going to imagine that we have a little spinning foot chakra on the bottom of our left foot spinning, spinning, spinning open, spinning wide, and a little spinning foot chakra on the bottom of our right foot spinning open, spinning wide, spinning open until the bottom of each of our feet is an open window. And from here we're going to drop 500 energetic tree roots of light down through our left foot, down in down, in deep, far and wide, and 500 energetic tree roots of light down through our right foot, down in down, in 1,000 energetic tree roots of light down and in down and in deep, far and wide, down to the core center of true earth. Immediately, rich, high, vibrational, nourishing energy starts shooting up those roots into our feet, over our ankles, up our shins, over our calves, knees, the tops of our legs, thighs, reproductive organs and pelvic floor, and into our tops of our legs, thighs, reproductive organs and pelvic floor and into our root. And then we're going to take our root chakra and spin it open, spin it wide, spin it open until it's about a foot and a half wide and from here we'll drop that energetic grounding cord down to the core center of true earth, feeling that rich, high, vibrational, nourishing energy, shooting up that root into our root, pelvic floor, reproductive organs, zooming back and forth like a figure eight in our hip sockets, over the thighs, legs, knees, calves, shins, ankles, feet, and down into those energetic roots we have established, giving us this beautiful tripod grounding cord of light, connecting us to Mother Earth, connecting us to this moment.

Freda:

Connecting us to this moment and, if you want, we can place our hands on our hearts and we can just notice how our bodies are feeling. Let's just take three deep breaths together, breathing in, really take yourself, wiggle your toes and pull yourself down into your body. You want to sort of feel your toes, feel your bum on the chair, breathing out, breathing in, since we have ascendancy to disassociate and hang out above our heads, we're really just pulling ourselves down and in into these lower three chakras, breathing out, and one more Breathing in. Breathing out and one more Breathing in, breathing out, and just notice how your body feels. If you feel heavier, really feel into your thighs and tops of your legs, your knees, feel your feet and then from here, this is a wonderful place to open up your meditation practice, or you can take your energy and expand it out and out and out, and then that would be a wonderful place for you to then automatically write from or enter into your meditation.

Lauren:

Okay, I felt like heavier in the bottom part of my body, automatically write from or enter into your meditation. Okay, I can. I felt like heavier in the bottom part of my body.

Frank:

You settled in.

Lauren:

Yeah, and you.

Frank:

It's. I have a. No, no, no, no, no, it was great. Okay, yeah, I'm going to be. I'm going to be using that. I have a uh, let's see, I have a history of purposefully being able to astral project when I was in my 20s. It's been a little minute, it's been a minute, it's been a 20 year minute and the the visual of like opening up these spaces below me, I was immediately like whoa, whoa, whoa, like like here we go. It was.

Freda:

It's oh, really a little bit yeah, of uh falling, yeah, so, but in a good way yeah, I just have this image of you like opening up the body, your feet, and just going and you're like on, like a slide, and you just slide down to the core center of the earth yeah that's also a place for you to go, which might be a new place for you to investigate, because if you go up here, maybe you want to go down there.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah, something new to try, hey.

Lauren:

Very fun.

Frank:

That's a very Take the slide. Take the slide what's down there?

Lauren:

Take the loopy slide down there.

Frank:

That's a very fun. That's a cool. Also, I I couldn't help but notice the, the concept of like the feet and then the what'd you call it? Like from, like from. I was imagining a chord coming on my tailbone or something yes, yes what'd you call it?

Freda:

uh, a grounding chord of light grounding chord.

Frank:

I mean, that's the exact position of an actual like a socket, like when you play like the the. The third prong is your grounding prong.

Freda:

Oh right, yeah, I was like, hey, I'm a plug, that's right. That's a wonderful way to to do it too right, like I sometimes I think of um, we're a, like a power strip right, you are the power strip.

Freda:

And you can, you know when other people come along and they plug their plugs into your power strip and you're like, hey, what are you doing? I didn't tell you you can plug your plug into the power strip, and you can, you know. And other people come along and they plug their plugs into your power strip and you're like, hey, what are you doing? I didn't tell you you can plug your plug into my power strip. And you, just so that's our boundaries, right, and that's our like protection and stuff like that so you can turn your, learn how to turn your power strip off and be like, no, this is mine, or you can offer it to someone if you allow them to have some of your power and your power strip.

Frank:

I like to think of it that way that's fun, so as soon as I like that I like that for our very empathic daughter oh yeah, yes not giving her power power strip away to other people right, yeah, um, the other thing about that is that I noticed, as soon as you, um had us open up the, the, the grounding, the grounding prong, the grounding cord, I have also had like a single purposeful when I was doing more daily meditations. I had a single purposeful Kundalini experience and the second I felt that I actually felt a, a shock in my brain, which I was like what's a quick connection, you know. So I don't have you had anybody experienced that before in that sense, or or have you had any accidental kundalini awakenings?

Freda:

no, I haven't heard about that experience necessarily. Um, like, when I'm leading my meditations, the students aren't talking back, so they're going through their own experiences. But we have do have profound changes and people are getting you know, they're showing up for themselves, they're getting a lot of good stuff going on, a lot of good healing work. That's cool.

Frank:

Well, thank you for that. I feel better.

Freda:

Yeah, I would love to see you doing that every morning. You know, this is me, right. I'm just like, okay, so now. Now, if Frank I'd like to sit down, I'd get going with this each day.

Frank:

Right, get yourself in there, it gets easier, I promise you if you keep doing it like it gets easier and easier and easier. But yeah, I was, I was, you know. I woke up a little early this morning. I stepped outside everyone coffee and I did some grounding and just facing the sun this morning for a few minutes. I'm like I know I need this today, so that was very helpful. Thank you very much.

Lauren:

See, she knew too. She knew she was like. Frank needs this Well, lauren does too clearly.

Freda:

There really does feel like there's some work there. It's like the idea of like, disassociating away from oneself or like, and then the resistance there wherever there is resistance, that is showing you where there's work to do. So if you're resisting getting in here, it's like all right, let's feel like what it's like to be here. Yeah, yeah, part, we're floating off. You know, we're a soul having a human experience. So we chose these beautiful bodies and every way, shape and everything about them is so magnificent. It's like let's feel them. Let's feel every aspect, the good, the bad, the pain, the suffering. Let's feel all of it and just like really sink into the experience. I mean, it's amazing when we're floating around on the other side we don't have a body Like it's very cool that we get to do all the cool stuff that we get to do at this physical form.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah.

Lauren:

That's such a great way to just like remain present too.

Freda:

Yeah, and also it shows us how to treat our meat suits right. Like what kind of meat suit do you want you? Know, it's like yes. What does it feel like? Gassy and bloated sweet. My popcorn's five times as big as your popcorn. Let's go that's funny. So you've been teaching for two, two months and two weeks we got you so early on yeah well, one of my favorite teachers in the entire world is renny, and renny was on your podcast and she's a wonderful teacher of mine that I just absolutely adore.

Frank:

So she's so nice yeah yeah, she is very kind I love talking to her um the let's see. So I've often heard that the last stage of learning is teaching and I wanted to ask you if, like in your two months and two weeks so far, is there any been there? Has there been any lesson that's like really solidified itself as like oh, this is this, is it?

Freda:

Well, to be completely honest, when I first started like I absolutely have been able to help move, feel energy consistently is when I started and literally showing up for my students every day and doing this work Uh, now my channel opened up and now I just channel also. So, like that has happened, Like God, it was like two and a half, three weeks ago when that first started happening and I'm like.

Freda:

Oh, snap, what's this? So then I was just like, okay, well, let's trust it, let's invite it on in. It was like at then I was just like, okay, well, let's trust it, let's invite it on in. It was like at first I was in real resistance, like my brain is sitting back here, and it's like now we would like to talk to the galactic federation of light. I'm like am I allowing this to happen or what?

Freda:

like guys, I'm just I'm also very honest with my students. In the moment, I was just like I'm feeling resistance. I'm going to talk you through it, but here we go that's great stuff to say. So, yeah, and it was like later that day and I was like I guess we're doing this now and, um, yeah, it's a pleasure, I love it, I love it.

Frank:

So that was your first time channeling like that or with, with the, the, the galactic feds.

Freda:

Yeah, I've only actually talked to them twice. Okay, um, but in that way. So there's two different kinds of channeling. So the way that I've had access is it's sort of like I'm hearing it and then I'm interpreting it through frida. But this was a trance channel when it was like I was sitting over here and I was just like I guess you guys are speaking now, so here we go. I guess I'm gonna get out of the way and just sit over here and like, judge the heck out of what's happening. It's extremely, extremely surprising and I'm not exactly sure what's happening. So we're just going to keep practicing with this and uh, yep.

Frank:

Have you done that again since, or was that like?

Freda:

every day. Oh, it's a new party trick. Oh yeah, we're just. We're doing this every day now, so yeah.

Frank:

That's kind of a newbie to the like, letting them speak through you. I have a question. That's kind of funny because I don't think I would ever ask this from someone who's been doing it for a very long time, but did you?

Lauren:

like renny right.

Frank:

Did you, did you inherit the speech pattern that I've heard so many times? I always hear hello, dear ones, and all this stuff, and I hear from a bunch of people and there's a very particular like, like, like a cadence. Did you, did you inherit that?

Freda:

Yes, and each person that talks through there's a teeny tiny. I can tell that there's a little bit of a difference.

Frank:

Yeah.

Freda:

Yeah.

Lauren:

And that's so funny.

Frank:

Yeah, if I don't know why yeah, so you still, even even through, through that you were, you were in the background, kind of like yeah, I was having to suspend your disbelief or something, or what is it uh-huh, just like in the back of your mind you're going.

Lauren:

What the hell did I just say?

Freda:

well, and immediately afterwards I texted renny. I was like you're not gonna believe what that's she's like.

Frank:

Welcome to the club oh my god, that's so funny she's like yeah, I knew this was gonna happen.

Lauren:

I'm like okay no, oh my gosh, that's so funny. Wow, yeah, what is what a, what a change, what a like turn of events to suddenly be like, oh my god, okay, yeah no, and I was in total resistance to it.

Freda:

I spent the day I like went and walked in the woods. I really sank into it and I was like, all right, well, if that's, I didn't see that on my dance card, what else you got? So it was like later that night I was like taking a Epsom salt bath and I was laying in the tub and my half my husband was out for the evening and I was just like, all right, let's do it again. So I just sank in, I opened my channel and invited in the Galactic Federation of Light and they were like now you want to do some light language? And it was just like the things that were coming out of my mouth. I have no idea what was happening. There was all sorts of crazy stuff and like there was like moments where I was like singing and this operatic voice that sounds like opera and I was just like I don't even know and that has not happened since. It was one time in the tub to like two, three weeks ago.

Frank:

Oh, my gosh.

Freda:

It was real weird. It was real weird and I was like amazed, like I felt like I was at a talent show and was just absolutely shocked. I couldn't believe what was happening, yeah.

Frank:

That's so funny. You know we have. What is it? I want to talk to you about this a little bit more.

Lauren:

I can't get over the opera singing. I'm sorry.

Frank:

No, it's very funny.

Lauren:

I still can't get over it.

Freda:

It was amazing. Cause like I can't sing.

Frank:

And like, what was coming was oh. I was like, oh, this is good, that's amazing Wait real quick. Can you define light language for me? Is it like speaking in tongues?

Freda:

Yes, yes, okay, did you know why?

Frank:

What purpose.

Lauren:

Does that serve If you don't know what they're saying and they're having you speak something that you're like? I don't understand this. What's the point?

Freda:

of that one second, let me actually just ask. It is bringing through like activations and it's bringing through um, there's like light codes in it and there's activations within it. It is an energy frequency that is serving a purpose at the time okay, yeah but I wouldn't let me ask real quick yeah, I don't know

Frank:

we've asked this thank you, galactic federation, for answering that question let me ask this as well um god, yeah, we're probably so annoying to the Galactic Federation. We're just like, we're just always ding dong, ditching and being like, hey, it's us again, but bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

Lauren:

Renny did a full like channeled message for 2025. Yeah, it was a lot, it was a. They did a whole thing.

Frank:

I mean she made a couple of predictions specifically around like aviation and stuff in the beginning of the year and we're like, okay, there's nothing like that and that came super true. We're having issues still, yeah, um, pretty wild. But yeah, the what can you define light code for me?

Freda:

Oh, like code for me, oh, like um, so let's see. Oh, my goodness, uh, I'm gonna ask again because that's yeah, uh, frequencies that are shared with each person to have different abilities, come online at different times in activator, so an activator?

Frank:

Is it? Is it the kind of thing where, like the sounds that you're making are triggering your chakras in a certain energetic way? That that is, is it like a cheat code on a Nintendo?

Freda:

There's no cheating about it, um, because it's more like um things that were intended to fall in your place at the right time in order for you to activate something, in order for you to do something else okay um more like a gift. Now you get gifted this and now, because of this, you get that, or it opens something up within you so that you can see something a new way. It helps you shift your perspective, to be able to see something differently.

Lauren:

We talked about light codes with Jessica. Oh, I know, I just like to get perspectives, yeah.

Frank:

Yeah, that's super interesting to me.

Freda:

Yeah, there's something in it that activates in someone else. And please forgive me, because I know that some people probably listening or rolling their eyes, because I'm just like asking. I'm like, well, what is that?

Frank:

I never really questioned it, um, before I mean because, yeah, people use the terminology a lot and, like you know, like I told you, like we like to have the show be a bridge, so I always want to define as much as I can, but that is really interesting. Sorry, are you still like channeling something? I don't want to interrupt.

Freda:

No, I was just asking. I was just like is that okay?

Frank:

Okay.

Freda:

Is this complete? Yeah, it feels complete. Yeah, it's sort of just like if you saw the most beautiful sunset or a painting or something that truly touched your heart, right, something that opens you up, like expands you oh, that's so beautiful. Something like that, like coming in contact with a sound frequency, can activate in someone some sort of profound healing. In a way that's seeing a beautiful sunset or a beautiful painting or oh, this food is so delicious. It activates something inside of me that just cracks my heart open. So something like that is the sort of like way that I'm understanding it.

Frank:

Sure, yeah, I come from an audio engineering background so like I think in frequencies a lot and and that's why I like really always relate things to being like chakra based, because I know, even just when you're doing like an OM meditation, like you can feel that firing up right, you can feel. So I always wonder if, like you're doing something like that, when you're you're speaking that way and speaking in light codes.

Freda:

They're saying yes.

Frank:

Okay.

Freda:

Yeah.

Frank:

And that makes sense to me.

Freda:

I mean I wouldn't know, but they're saying yes, so like whatever that is, it's like yes, Okay.

Frank:

Okay, cool, so let me run something by you real quick, and then I feel like we've like taken a left turn into well, it's fine, though, galactic Federation stuff.

Lauren:

I mean, this is new to Frida, so yeah.

Frank:

I think that's why I love that we're catching it at this time. Um, one of the things this wasn't related to Renny whatsoever, but one of the things that we came we, because we had a bad interview later with somebody else and, uh, it really brought up the concept of what we've called spiritual sovereignty, since, and that is like you know, it's hard, it's hard to navigate being in this space but also saying, like, don't take anything that doesn't fully resonate with you. And I've noticed that when we're talking to any kind of galactics, that it's something that we don't have access to. I'm sure everyone has some access to, but, like, logically, people don't have access to that immediately, so it's just them listening to other people talk about it. And you know there've been a lot of cases lately. There's been there was a whole weekend at one point where there are people, like on TikTok, who you know claim to channel and they're like, oh, you know, the aliens are coming this weekend and you're going to be able to see it you're going to see a couple of motherships.

Frank:

You're going to see chips in the sky, yeah and like, as someone into spiritual sovereignty, sovereignty um, I'm having a hard time saying like, okay, cool, well, I believe that, but now I have to not believe this person or this whole collective of people that are saying these things at the same time and it's hard to like, it's hard to navigate that. Do you have any advice around that?

Freda:

Well, frida says use your discernment and like. But let me just see, I'm just going to talk to my higher self Because I'm not fully comfortable with the whole Galactic Federation of Light. To be completely and totally honest with you, I'm super happy to talk to higher self, frida, like whatever that is Sure, yeah, thank you for that honesty.

Lauren:

That alone is helpful to hear.

Frank:

Because it's like oh man, like, yeah, sorry, go ahead Talk to higher self Frida. Oh man, Like I, yeah, Sorry, go ahead, Talk to her yeah.

Freda:

I'm just going to ask, like if they have anything to say around using one's discernment or yeah, yeah, it's around checking in with oneself and noticing how does that make you feel? Things that send you into fear or a frequency of fear are not your best and highest good. So there's something here around like using your discernment in order to so to find the things that resonate with you. Give me one second. I'm just going to pull myself down. I'm doing that. I'll walk you through. It is like I'm pulling myself down and wiggling my toes take your time yeah, could you ask the question again?

Frank:

when, as individuals, we are trying to identify with our own spiritual sovereignty, but then we have to take people's word for it, when we are, you know, looking towards, towards people who have seemingly access to something that we don't ourselves have, and we just have to have faith. But then sometimes that stuff doesn't totally manifest in the way that they're claiming to. How do we like navigate that?

Freda:

Yeah, and what we would say to you is to the faith that you should have is the faith in yourself. You are going to check in with your own guidance and your own awareness, and you are going to get access to you and check with your discernment. Does that resonate with me? Sometimes we see and read things in the world that give us access to things that will light us up and show us how we can move more towards joy. What is this thing that you can move towards? To follow your bliss, follow those things, and those are the things that are going to be the answers for you.

Freda:

When things put you into fear, separation, those things are not in your best and highest good to be consuming and putting into your energetic frequency. We are asking you not to listen to things that put you in that place. There is an element of control that wants to come in and to sell you something that is maybe not in your highest good, and that is where you're asking you to use your discernment and only take things into your life and only digest things in your world that are bringing you joy, peace, a feeling of tranquility. Those are the feelings that you want to resonate and move towards. How's that?

Frank:

Good, it gives me a follow-up question. Yeah, does that imply that sometimes in our lives that we maybe are looking into someone else's spiritual experience, that we can see it, but isn't necessarily for us? Like we can see things that, but isn't necessarily for us. Like we can see things that energetically align with other people and it will be true to them, even if it's not true for you.

Freda:

Yes, each one of us is capable of creating our own realities. We all have different experiences, so our realities are different. For each of us, this container, this Frida, for each of us, this container, this Frida, she has chosen to create her own heaven on earth. So her reality is a space where she feels things come at her, for her own, teaching, gifts, learning lessons. But other people live in a state of a lower frequency where they have the ability to stay in sadness and despair. Your reality is a making of your own creation. When you shift your perspective, you can move into a place where you are loving your life in a way where it is heaven on earth as well.

Lauren:

That's perfect.

Frank:

It works. Thank you.

Lauren:

When you channel you, are you like doing like a yawn to do? You have a method of doing your channeling no, it's like, but that's energy moving through.

Freda:

I yawn a lot and I twist and turn and move a lot because uh yeah, I'm. I have a tendency I rock a lot. It's just energy is moving through my body. Yeah, yeah, it's weird, it's. When it first started happening, I was like this is weird. What's wrong with me? I got early onset something oh my god, early onset.

Frank:

Something is the name of my autobiography.

Freda:

I have to write that down there's so many things along this path, like start hearing voices. I call my mother. I was like oh my god, I've been googling schizophrenia I don't know, what's going on? She's like yeah, yeah, I hear angels too. I'm like why didn't you tell me?

Frank:

oh, that's crazy. Yeah, I know, don't keep that to yourself, mom.

Freda:

You could have saved me four months of worry here wow oh my gosh that's so funny.

Lauren:

Well, that makes sense, though, like with the yawning, like allows you to breathe more deeply. So it's clear and something clear and energy doing something?

Freda:

yeah, and I'm not entirely sure. Again, you're getting me early and it's such a pleasure to talk about. I want to be one of those teachers. It's like I just want to be completely open and transparent and take the journey with others, because I do believe that that everyone has the ability to do these things. If you want it, you can practice and you can get there. It's, it's yours, for the taking is what it truly feels like, and to be open in that way. We're so used to seeing the fully formed spiritual teacher or guru after 30 years. Here's my work, and it's like you know what if we're just along for each other's rides?

Frank:

I literally I think I was talking about that last week Like we are meant to coach, I think I think that the age of gurus is ending and we're all supposed to travel alongside each other. You know and learn from each other and, like I said, like even the concept of what I was talking about saying, like teaching is the final stage of learning, like you use that requires you to walk alongside your students.

Lauren:

I think it's super important. Yeah, that's helped me, because I'm like, oh, at some point I might be coaching or something, or you know, and the minute I go I don't know shit. Well, wait a minute, I have a lot of life experience, that is. And my friend was like. My friend Kelly was like you've been already doing this for years, like think about all of the girls nights that we've had, and you're just like saying things that people, our friends or whatever need to hear. And I'm like, oh, that's true, yeah, using my again, going back to alchemizing trauma into wisdom for others and just being like I don't know, I'm not a guru, but this is what's been helping me, or I've learned this, or whatever.

Freda:

That's beautiful, though. As we share our learned experiences with one another, we can learn and grow together. And also, it makes us not feel so alone. It's so lonely, you know, but you can share with your friends, and then they, just you know, it's like you're not alone. I see you.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

To be witnessed is a beautiful and powerful thing in this life. Yeah, there's also a weird uh expectation, when you're in a coaching position, to have all the answers, and it like sets up this like false hierarchy. When you know, especially when you're student, there's no like like, oh, just follow this, these guidelines. Every single student and like you're gonna figure it out like you're, you're, each student, is a fingerprint. You know what I mean. And you working with them, like you said, like you don't have a modality, you're using what's needed to work with them and that's you're probably never going to run into a combination that presents itself in the same way when you're working with people.

Freda:

Agreed. Now, that's not something that you can sell to a lot of people.

Frank:

That's. That's tougher marketing, yeah.

Freda:

Yeah, right, but also like yeah, that's super not who I am, so I would be very open about that, yeah.

Frank:

Yeah.

Freda:

There's some, there's some nonsense in that big stuff there's there. You know it's like there might be little bits and pieces within that. You know each, each person is absolutely their own, entirely their own blueprint.

Lauren:

So yeah, yeah. Well, I'm so happy that we got that, we got you this early in in this journey in particular, and I can't wait to hear where you're at in like six months or a year or something like let us be part of your marketing campaign.

Frank:

Whenever you have like a new offering or anything, send us an email. We'll we'll shoot it out to all of our listeners and all that stuff. That's really generous, thank you yeah, of course, and on that note, please tell people where to find you and what your current offerings are yeah, and if they can join your morning daily.

Lauren:

What are you calling it?

Freda:

It's called Return to Self-Love. So one of my whole jams is like, through the practice of self-love, truly deeply falling in love with oneself. That is also a way to get connected to the divinity, to your higher self, the divine, because we are each so incredibly made of love and if those things go, if that feels tricky inside of your system, that's all the stuff that we have to move aside so that you can feel truly deeply fall in love with yourself. Yeah, so I have a program called Return to Self-Love. You can find out more about it on my website, which is fridahealingcom, and I also just do private sessions and I have two books that I've written.

Freda:

I wrote a book called Learning to Love Myself, which is available on Amazon, and I wrote a book called I Am you, you Are Me Words for my Inner Child, which is about reparenting therapy and parts work I should share with you. Also, I have a podcast and a YouTube channel. So I have a YouTube channel that has things like that grounding meditation on it so that you can go use it. I do core cuttings and clearings. There's like all sorts of stuff on there.

Frank:

What's the channel?

Freda:

The channel is called Frida Maletsky Healing Arts and the podcast and then that is on the youtube channel is called the healing artist all right, perfect, go listen yeah frida

Frank:

thank you so much we uh again like if anything comes up, please let us know, let us be part of your marketing campaign and uh, dude, have a great day thank you so much.

Freda:

Thank you both of you. Thank you thank you frida, talk to you soon, okay bye thank you for listening.

Frank:

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