Clairvoyaging
Normalize Your Spiritual Journey!
After a close family member experienced an undeniably psychic event that shocked believers and skeptics alike, Lauren and Frank (an open-minded but naturally skeptical married couple from the suburbs of California) decided that it was time to learn more about things that can't be easily explained.
Lauren and Frank Leon interview experts about the esoteric sciences. Through spiritual growth and trauma healing, they attempt to enhance their intuition and unlock their psychic abilities. They'll ask the stupid questions you've always wanted the answers to.
Clairvoyaging offers a glimpse into the couple's exploration of diverse esoteric subjects, with warmth, humor, and genuine curiosity, Lauren and Frank navigate these intricate domains, inviting experts and practitioners to share their insights, experiences, and wisdom.
Each episode explores the expertise of their guest. Topics include the vast spectrum of psychic abilities, mediumship, energy healing, divination, tarot, spirit communication, astral projection, remote viewing, auras, past lives, dream interpretation, intuitive awakening, spiritual empowerment, and channeling messages from guides and higher consciousness.
Whether you're a seasoned esoteric enthusiast or a newcomer to these mystical arts, this podcast encourages reflection and self-exploration, inspiring a deeper connection with the mystical aspects of life, and how to integrate open-mindedness with the struggle of adulting in everyday American life.
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Clairvoyaging
078: Updates From a Hotel Bathroom // with Lauren and Frank
We’re recording this one from a hotel bathroom in Aspen (yes, really) while our kids sleep in the next room. Life’s in full transition—we’ve left our old home, haven’t moved into the new one, and decided now’s the perfect time for a multi-state road trip (classic Sagittarius move).
In the midst of this beautiful chaos, we’re reflecting on presence, parenting, tarot wisdom, and unexpected spiritual shifts.
Home, it turns out, might just be the people you’re with.
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Speaker 2:Wow we are coming to you from a bathroom in a hotel in aspen, colorado.
Speaker 1:Yeah hi, hey hi, friends, how's it going this? What a setup frank has created for us so that we could check in real quick because, in case you didn't notice, we have missed two weeks of episodes and we're sorry just a little bit um wait, we're just a little bit sorry no, we've just a little bit missed two weeks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah um hi hey, hope everyone is doing great we don't want to leave you high and dry like that doesn't feel good. That wasn't the plan.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:And here we are.
Speaker 1:But you know, the minute we started packing up the studio, it was like oh okay, yeah, we're probably going to have a few weeks off. So also, if you're wondering why we're whispering, it's because we put our kids down for bed and they're in the other room. If you're watching this, then you'll see that we look ridiculous because we are in the bathroom. We're hiding out here to give you a little update.
Speaker 2:So, Frank, Anyway, hold on real quick. We've been road tripping right, so we've been. When did we leave? Okay, hold on real quick, We've been road tripping.
Speaker 1:Yes, so we've been when did we leave?
Speaker 2:Okay, hold on, let's back up from there.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:We have moved out of our house.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But not moved into a new one.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So we're currently temporarily staying with my parents, except for we stayed with them for a total of Four nights. Four nights I we stayed with them for a total of four nights. Four nights I think. And then we hit the road because lauren had a job thing to do in aspen and we decided it would be really fun and smart to simultaneously get our house ready to sell while also just jump on like a two-week two-week long road trip with our kids.
Speaker 2:Did I mention we're Sagittarius. This is rough. I just happened to buy this like pretty decent webcam before we left and I brought the equipment just in case.
Speaker 1:I wish you could do like a behind the scenes of what this actually looks like, because it's pretty insane. It's not good.
Speaker 2:Anyway, the point is that, like I thought, oh yeah, we'll make some content on the way and at the very least we'll tell everybody. If you know push comes to shove, We'll just like drop a quick audio announcement. Hey, you know what guys, we might have to take a couple weeks off. You know we're on the road, We'll just drop a quick audio announcement. Hey, you know what guys, we might have to take a couple weeks off, we're on the road.
Speaker 1:We're moving. We're not in our home.
Speaker 2:And the second we hit the road to do this. It was just, mind you, we have a three-year-old and a seven-year-old. It's just chaos. So living someplace every night, maybe at the most staying someplace for two nights yeah at a time is like it's a lot I'm not doing great, but it's been a lot of like. I will say that doing all this I haven't had a lot of time like, actually like, think about the things that I normally think about in terms of like, oh, we're moving, and like oh, what am.
Speaker 2:I going to do when we move and all this stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's probably kind of better in that way.
Speaker 2:It's not. Oh, okay, in addition to me not being super clear on what I'm going to do once we move, in terms of, like, you know how I'm going to earn an income, or anything like that, if you guys have been listening, I have been told from multiple sources that I shouldn't try and figure it out until I get there. Um, some of those multiple sources include some of the fantastic people we've had on the show in addition to my tarot deck which, every time I pulled a card, it said to continue organizing and packing up the house literally there was one night that we pulled tarot cards and Frank was like, okay, how can Lauren and I, what should we manifest together?
Speaker 1:And it was I forget what the card was. But Elliot Oracle is our messenger and he was like, get your house in order. This was like two weeks before we were going to move and I was like, oh my God, like we're not supposed to manifest anything except for organizing our house, and Frank said okay, he got kind of like pissed at his spirit guides for a second second and he said as usual yeah, he said wait, why?
Speaker 1:how come everything that you're telling me lately is to like stay in the present. Why can't I look towards the future?
Speaker 2:we pulled another card and it was about like organizing your house and decluttering yeah it's like more of the same and it was like like bitch, you better get your shit in order and once again like this maybe for some people that would be a fine thing to get, but, um, I know we keep talking about human design without without actually having it to be anybody on to talk about it, but but it's coming. But in human design I am an what is it called? It's a one four. So I'm an investigating opportunist, opportunist, something like that. So, like you know, for the past year and a half I've been nonstop complaining about not being able to turn off my brain and we've had people on who are like oh, Frank, like you need to stop thinking so much.
Speaker 2:Turns out that's built in, right. So, like for me and I've been coming to terms with that I'm like, okay, well, how do I, how do I put my terrier of a puppy brain on the right path, where it stays busy and enables me to do other things while not like overthinking, right? So I'm like learning how to work with it, which has been pretty great. But in this case, where you know there's so much going on and so many like big life moves occurring, it's been like, okay, I need to actively not think about this, but I don't have anything as important to think about to like kind of temporarily distract. So now that we're on this road trip and like we have sorry, we're also out of breath because it's freaking aspen yeah, we are not used to this altitude, more like yet as as aspirating, aspirating ben no, no, no um, what the fuck was I saying?
Speaker 1:I don't know, you have brain frog.
Speaker 2:I have brain frog so do. I. There's not enough O2 up here.
Speaker 1:I'm so tired.
Speaker 2:And like anyway, the whole point was like now we're on the road and it's like, okay, now I have. You know Lauren's still taking meetings from the road, you know she's working. So it's like I got to find a park in Richfield, utah, to make sure that the kids stay entertained for a little while before we, like, hit the road again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then like and an arcade at the Excalibur in Las Vegas. By the way, if you're considering taking your kids to Las Vegas, if you have a toddler, don't do it, don't do it, it's hard, it's hard.
Speaker 2:We have made it's hard. We have made it's hard A series of poor choices.
Speaker 1:It was fine, but it's tough. Was it fine, those games are fun. Why can't I play on those? Those are for the adults and the children. Games are in the dungeon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, literally the fun, dungeon the fun dungeon yeah. Anyway, but yeah, walking past, like you know, ghostbusters, casino games, oh god, is that for me?
Speaker 1:yeah, nah, buddy, it's not for you, I'm sorry, do they got a python man game here?
Speaker 2:nope, nope anyway, man, we are non-stop side missions here. They're like the few moments that I had to like actually sit down, let's say, let's say at that park in richfield utah, I like threw my back against a wall and like I let the kids you know, I was keeping an eye on them and I was like, oh no, what's after this? Yeah, not just in terms of like after the park, but but like no, no, I know, yeah, when we get to the final destination. Yeah.
Speaker 1:What does Frankie boy do?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, what I love that you've kind of landed on, though, or like not landed on, cause I don't know if you will actually do this, but like that you're considering which I don't think you would have ever considered even two months ago is being a reiki practitioner okay like what?
Speaker 2:imagine the turn of events that have had to lead to this, where it's like, oh yeah, that does kind of make sense so like having been on the road like and not having our normal access to the like psychic, uh con, the psychic and esoteric conversations that we normally do, and not being busy with editing or anything like that. Yeah, I've just been thinking about some of those older lessons and thinking about stuff that I've investigated on my own time investigated on my own time and one of the things that kept popping up for me was a few weeks ago I had pulled up I think I mentioned on the show too I pulled up the uh idea of like, uh, how, in tarot, you have birth birth cards, yeah, yeah, and I was like at first I was like, oh, that's really cool. So my birth cards were the. Um, I think I don, birth cards were the I don't know if it's based on your month or if it's based on the day, whatever.
Speaker 1:I don't know, you like add things together. I forget what we did.
Speaker 2:But there's really only a couple of combinations and you're given two. Anyway, mine is the chariot and tower and, like, on a foundational level, like the chariot and tower, uh, combination is is foundational, it is that you are supposed to be someone who is in a position who, like, helps things. I, I, I tapped into um, my chat gpt, to help me interpret, so I'm going to use some of the language that, uh, that did sorry, we do use chat gpt yeah, it's fine it's fine, we don't, we're not it's my not.
Speaker 2:It might not be we're not.
Speaker 1:We're not relying on it all the time. This might not age well but we're not becoming like mindless robots no, it's a tool.
Speaker 2:It's a tool, it's a conversational tool and just like I just need to put that out there.
Speaker 1:And it's a thought sometimes. Yeah, it's a thought partner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and the thing that gpt says that, that like I told it to act, act as like a professional, esoteric, like uh, what do you call it? Consultant, basically, and um, it said that that combination really is for um spell breaking in like societal sense. The societal sense like point out the things that don't work, point out. And so it's like that, that like elemental sense in me that I'm always kind of. I'm like why am I so angsty all the time? You know we're in Aspen, right, listen, we're in Aspen, okay. And like you know, there's like some little like things I could take the kids around to do while Lauren's at work and I'm walking around just going, like you, rich son of a, like everyone, everyone here is like you, can you know when you can just smell it, you're like, ah, you guys have a lot of money and and frank's texting me I'm I'm at the aspen ideas festival, which is, like you know, thought leaders and and all these really powerful people like creating change within the world, and he's like there's a lot of rich people in aspen and I was like I know I know that should come
Speaker 2:at this festival where there's a lot of rich white people yeah so, like seeing, like the, this is a place where you know there's nothing wrong with having money of course, I've said that before but this is a place where people of privilege come or like can't afford to come and hang out um, we shouldn't be here. But, like you know, being suddenly like dropped into that culture, it's like, ah, okay, yeah, you guys have benefited from certain things that the majority of people don't, yeah, and like so I can't help but be a little angsty about it. It's not about the money, it's about the. You know, I'm I'm over in the kids areas hanging out with the nannies and it's like what is that? What? What world is that? Even, yeah, it's really you know it's really weird. Yeah, really you know it's really weird. Yeah, I'm, yeah, maybe it's not weird. I don't know, maybe I'm just being super judgmental and I'm sorry if that's how it comes off, but yeah, it is well it's just not like what we're used to.
Speaker 2:Also like it's a very affluent area and that's we're not as used to that but like back to the cards, like my whole whole thing is supposed to be like your angst, my angst, your punk, yeah, like seeing through those things and being like this isn't working for everybody and I think things need to change. And then you know, being here where, like, people might not be, people might be like somewhat oblivious to that, or at least seemingly, maybe they're great change makers. They might be at your conference, I don't know, but great change makers, they might be at your conference, I don't know. But yeah, so the whole thing for me is supposed to be like that tower card, that being there for the change, and then the chariot card of the driving for something new and something better. That's built into me.
Speaker 2:And there's something to me, you know, in the last few episodes before that I kept talking about, like the concept of sovereignty for me, be it like spiritual sovereignty or sovereignty of I don't know, the patriarchy and how I fit into it. That feels to me very elemental and very foundational and just like a part of who I am at my core. Plus, like you know, I like to make silly jokes, so I like to have fun with it. But coming back to the Reiki thing and how that all ties together. Before we went on the road trip, we had a quick little rendezvous with Emily Bolsik, a friend of the show. Friend of the show.
Speaker 1:Emily.
Speaker 2:And I had a moment to like actually consider for a second the because she was asking for a little bit of advice from us. I had a moment to like actually consider for a second the the because she was asking for a little bit of advice from us. I had a moment to actually consider like hey, the things that I've learned how to do, the very small psychic advancements that I've made in feeling someone out, like being in their presence, and that I took a moment while Emily and Lauren were talking and I kind of turned around secretly.
Speaker 1:As he turned he's. He's currently turned around.
Speaker 2:And I was thinking all right, hopefully nobody notices, I'll just pretend like I'm looking at the stars and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:But I found that he's looking at the hotel bathroom ceiling right now.
Speaker 2:I found that when I turn around, I can feel people's energy more and I was able to proceed to like maybe give some. I felt some things, I was able to give some advice that I normally wouldn't otherwise. So that whole thing of like feeling someone out again and like being able to use that information to assist in any kind of way is very aligned with Reiki. Yeah, and then, in addition to that, the way I've been using, I accidentally came across a Reiki strategy that I didn't know was a Reiki. Yeah, like take a deep breath and when she blows out to like expand her field, because I've I noticed that anxiety feels like a contraction and when you expand your field on a, on a out breath, things feel a little bit better. So it's a and a and really blowing out and feeling like a bubble of air, safe airspace around you, growing yeah it's a broadcasting right and like I've been doing it for myself as well and I'm like that's really cool.
Speaker 2:I don't know what that is, but it came to me intuitively and I went and looked it up and like turns out that's a reiki thing. Oh, okay fine, fine, I'll buy it. But yeah, everything's pointing back to Reiki.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Nothing's more basic to me than like, and good basic than like sitting down with a person and feeling them out and if you have their, their um what's the thing?
Speaker 1:Permission.
Speaker 2:There's a, there's a word that's more applicable.
Speaker 1:Approval.
Speaker 2:Uh consent. Consent, consent, and if you have their consent, I am a white presenting male who can't remember the word consent, with their consent, like you know, engaging in some conversation with them about what you felt and like again, there's nothing more basic than that for me, like an elemental.
Speaker 1:What's so funny is that, like I've said several times on this show or to whoever about Reiki, that like, oh, it's been this thing of like I don't know why I learned it. I know why I learned it I needed this like deep healing, and also I know I'm going to do something with it. I know why I learned it I needed this like deep healing, and also I know I'm going to do something with it. But I also know that I'm not going to be a one-on-one Reiki practitioner. And it's just so funny like thinking about how it potentially will be you and like just me kind of exploring and going like what is this? And then giving you some Reiki placements.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like taking this other path and for me I'm like I see myself in like a group setting where I'm like maybe doing guided meditations that are Reiki infused or something, but like I'm like the one-on-one thing. I don't like that's for me, and you're like no, I think that actually might be for me. I'm like the one-on-one thing. I don't like that's for me and you're like no, I think that actually might be for me.
Speaker 2:I'm a small groups guy and then, while talking about this with Lauren, again, I don't want to. This is how many things have I proposed during the course of the show I've been like, oh, it might be this, I might be doing this, I might be doing this. I made a book. No one bought. I also the place, messed it up.
Speaker 1:Anyway, your poor journal.
Speaker 2:My stupid journal. I still like it.
Speaker 1:I like my journal. By the way, if you want a journal, send us an email.
Speaker 2:Just say hey, I'd take one.
Speaker 1:Yeah say, I want journal.
Speaker 2:You'll get a journal.
Speaker 1:Give me journal Journal free yeah.
Speaker 2:Just ask. Anyway, yeah, I'm a small groups guy, I'm a one-on-one guy anyway, so like that makes sense. I think I just needed to get there in my way. Also, we remembered that what? Two years ago now, our family therapist that we had for a while, dr Claire, as we call him on the show Dr Claire did once say that he had a feeling that you were going to get into Reiki for my benefit somehow, and I was like at the time I was like, oh cool, I'm going to get a bunch of Reiki sessions from my wife.
Speaker 1:And I was like, of course it's always about him, it is Anyway. I was like, so I'm doing the work so he can benefit.
Speaker 2:I never thought that it would be potentially me doing the actual Reiki sessions, so yeah, that's cool, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think it's cool that, like, because you haven't had a list of to-dos besides, keep the kids entertained, drive to the next location, sleep better, breathe better, high altitude I think it's kind of given this idea a little bit more space, so I think that's cool. Also, like, what I've kind of taken away from this road trip is that, like, we're really in this in-between space and I kind of thought, you know we did, we moved out of our home and I thought I would take it harder. And I don't know if it's because we're in this in-between or what it is, or if I did some of the healing by talking about it a lot, but I thought my root chakra would be really upended, really having a hard time, and I've felt like, okay, this is just the next thing and I don't know there's something where I'm like going to bed in a different place almost every night. Hashtag van life.
Speaker 2:Hashtag van life.
Speaker 1:Is. There's something kind of like there's a little unsettled feeling to it, but it's also kind of like well, what's this, what's next? I don't know. And I think it's been a little helpful for me to not like sit in the like, the belonging, the like you know, like the root chakra, like safety, security, belonging. I am constantly in a state of. I am constantly in a state of no, I belong here too and I'm safe and I am secure and things are taken care of until we actually move. So we don't have, I mean, if we were like I want to go home, our house is empty. So it's not like we'd be going back to the comfort of what we know, it's like, oh, we haven't moved yet and our home is each other Guys, I said it.
Speaker 2:I said it, I have to mute to bar for a second. Our home is each other.
Speaker 1:But it is kind of true, like it's kind of um, it's helping me like feel at peace and just riding the wave, and also because I have to like tell my kids every night, like, put your hand over your heart, tell yourself I am calm, I am safe, I'm ready for bed, like I'm doing that Also, I'm repeating it and in any setting I'm going, I belong, I'm safe, I'm calm, and yeah, it's been an interesting adventure that I wasn't. I wasn't expecting that I'd be like okay, this is fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that that that is a really good point. Point, not that everyone could go on like on a road trip to aspen whenever they want, but, um, yeah, I will say like, and I I'm also not advocating for running away from your problems, but there is an element to like, what do you want to call it? Going with the flow, like you said you know, yeah, yeah, um or riding the wave really that's what it is.
Speaker 1:What's next?
Speaker 2:I mean, even though we're not having like a bunch of interviews right now, I'm still very active on on witch talk and by active I mean I'm lurking. Everyone is saying that like astrologically. There's a lot going on right now and in fact when the day we moved out, because we moved our stuff into a storage unit temporarily because we're not moving in officially for until the middle of July to our new place. But we were at the train station in San Diego and I saw a young woman with some really cool tattoos and I said those are cool tattoos. Did I ask that much to set something stupid Like what do you do? Or something?
Speaker 1:No, you, like you pointed out, you could tell that there were like esoteric symbols yeah and then you said we have a podcast.
Speaker 2:And she said, oh cool, I'm an astrologer right, yeah, and, and even in that small conversation she was saying like there's a lot going on right now astrologically, and even that aside, you just look at the news, man yeah shit's going off and I haven't had a lot of because we've been on the road, I haven't had a lot of time to like, dig in and and pay attention to it and then, if you miss a couple days, it's the truth is it's too much to catch up on. Yeah, and it's, it's all bad, it's all fucking bad there's not.
Speaker 2:There's not a lot of good stuff in there yeah, but the thing is is when you take a couple days away from it and you're riding the the wave of your own life and and you're setting your yourself and your immediate family and your loved ones as a priority, and you, you, you take a break from that junk and you come back to it, you're gonna look at it and be like this is almost comical, how dumb things are right now. Not that it's not important.
Speaker 1:And that obviously comes from like a place of privilege, because we are not people who are concerned about our safety of being detained.
Speaker 2:I mean there's people whose safety I'm concerned about, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I'm just talking about the news.
Speaker 1:I know, yeah, yeah, I'm just acknowledging our privilege we're very aware, as we stand in our hotel room in Aspen but paid for by my company.
Speaker 2:I don't like it here. Does that help? I can't breathe anyway. Yeah, you come back to the news. You realize how stupid I can't breathe Anyway.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you come back to the news, you realize how stupid it is.
Speaker 2:No, it's not that the news is stupid or unimportant. It's that there's, especially right now. The rate at which things are being dismantled in an unhelpful way is like too much to keep up on, and if you were to keep up on it like you would be consumed by it yeah. Make no mistake, if you are keeping up with the news on a daily basis, you are not in a good place right now, and yeah I'd highly recommend refocusing your attention and you know, you know the old phrase uh, be the change you want to see in the world.
Speaker 2:like settling into that and really focusing on like your immediate surroundings could have the most positive impact. But if you let that shit take you down like you're not helping, yeah. I'm not saying not to get out there and protest. Do that if you can and if you're able.
Speaker 1:Yeah, protest, but there's, it is your voice.
Speaker 2:The other way to protest is to just to be your own light and the light for people around you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And like holding on onto that and being that person for everybody. That's a huge deal, especially today.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it's true. So, guys, I mean I was going to pull a tarot card, but I feel like we don't need to.
Speaker 2:No, pull a tarot card. Pull a tarot card. Pull a tarot card.
Speaker 1:You have to hold my microphone while I do it.
Speaker 2:I'm holding your mic, wait, hold on. What's that again, lauren Do?
Speaker 1:we want to. I feel like we want to collect a question for our collective I feel like. The Claire Voyaging Collective.
Speaker 2:We're a collective.
Speaker 1:Our listeners, you, sweet puppies, our sweet babies.
Speaker 2:That have stuck around two weeks Like I'm sorry about that. I really am sorry about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I want to be better than that yeah. Yeah, I want to be better than that. Yeah, yeah, oh Well, hold on. Well, they're all face down. A couple dropped.
Speaker 1:There's too many. Look at my deck.
Speaker 2:Lauren picked up the neon. Isn't that neat, neon neat.
Speaker 1:If you can't see it because you're just listening. They're neon, it's the Rider-Waite, but they're neon colored.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, hold on, let me, let me get some asmr on the deck. Oh, that's nice, that's so cool what's the question? Um, just pull a card. Pull a card for the collective right now what do we need to hear, guys?
Speaker 1:yeah, what do we all? What are we all needing? The fool reversed he's a homie.
Speaker 2:And this is the part of the show where we realize we don't know anything about the deck, even though we use it almost every day, and lauren types in the full reversed comma elliot oracle anyone listening that they like knows tarot really well, is like you idiot.
Speaker 3:Here he goes. Hi, I'm Dr Ellie Daddum with today's card of the day, which is the Fool, reversed, now upright. The fool is an archetype for new beginnings and just basically feeling optimistic about a fresh start and going fearlessly into the future. When he comes up reversed, he often accompanies a sense of feeling afraid of getting something started because we're afraid we're going to look foolish, we're afraid we're going to look stupid or not know everything, and this could be a really crippling companion that actually limits so many things that you could be doing in your life, because you're just self-conscious or you're afraid of how other people are going to receive who you are or what you're doing. When this card comes up reversed, it's saying to begin anyways, even if you're afraid you don't know everything, and to get rid of that sense of being an imposter, that imposter syndrome that somehow, if people find out you don't know everything, they're going to discover that you're a fraud. This card is saying to be confident and optimistic, to read more or to schedule a session.
Speaker 2:Okay, listen up. We are in a period of time Hold on Handing the mic back to Lauren. We are in a period of time when, if that meant something to you in terms of, like world events right now, keep in mind that we're in a period of time where all the people who would normally say they know better than you have led us to this moment. They blew it. You could not blow it harder.
Speaker 1:They are idiots, yeah but that could also be something personal in someone else's like. Yeah, but I'm talking about current events right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so and and then and I mean same thing with if you're so concerned, if you're concerned about what someone in your life might say about you, or you're worried about what you might say about you because you're not confident about where you're going. We are in a period of time right now where it is the time to take a risk to not know where you're going and do it anyway it is the time to take a risk to not know where you're going, and do it anyway.
Speaker 1:I mean, I will say like for just for me. What I got from that for myself is that I'm here in this place where I'm a little bit uncomfortable. I feel like a fish out of water and I'm going to this like Aspen Ideas Festival, which is like this kind of fancy like, like I said, thought leaders change makers. I just heard the governor of Maryland, wes Moore, speak today and Steve Kerr, and I'm like I don't know that.
Speaker 1:What am I doing here? I know I haven't been able to talk to you yet. We went straight to the podcast in the hotel bathroom. But I keep having this imposter feeling of like well, these guys are cool and everybody has something to say and I'm just a dummy. What am I doing here? And it's a bad habit because we all bring something unique to a situation and like let go of the. Everybody has imposter syndrome, even I mean, I guarantee you, even Steve Kerr, the governor of Maryland, was like I just one day said I think I want to be governor of Maryland. And he's like I had never had any experience in politics and just ran like an interesting campaign and he won. The guy's awesome. And I was like was like, well, okay, if he doesn't know anything about politics, like that's so cool. He probably felt like an imposter at first and let's talk about this card one more time.
Speaker 2:The fool, just real quick. Why is this not focusing on whatever you guys get it, the fool. I'm holding up the full card, I'm holding it up, right. I have heard something recently that was so interesting to me about the concept of the fool and the mayor of Maryland.
Speaker 1:Governor.
Speaker 2:Governor of Maryland. Governor of Maryland.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I said Mayerland, the governor of Maryland.
Speaker 1:One more time.
Speaker 2:I don't want to do it. I'm gonna say it wrong again. This dude waking up I have no idea what it looks like or anything about his history, but this dude waking up one day and saying I think I want to be the governor, like that's cool. Um, and the rest of us? You might think for a second. I think for a second. What gives you the right? What gives you the right to like, wake up and just decide that you're going to do that one day? Yeah, and how did that happen?
Speaker 1:I mean it has like a really cool. He did other things. He worked on Wall Street, he did a nonprofit, he did all these other things, but yeah.
Speaker 2:But the point is like you're just going to wake up and decide that one day, yeah, and then you're going to get it. Yeah, you know the fool card. What did I read about it? I read about it how, like in general, for whatever reason, the universe favors the fool, the fool gets luck, and that's what the fool card is about. Look at this happy-go-lucky nerd. He's going to go out there and he's going to become the governor of Maryland because he thought he could, and all this stuff. I'm saying like what gives him the right? Like that's my own inner voice telling me that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah.
Speaker 2:If I wanted to wake up in the morning to say that I want to do that like I wouldn't let myself think that I'd say that's ridiculous. You haven't led a life that would lead to that.
Speaker 1:Or you know, like you don't, but like you. But it's funny because you could carve a path at some point, if you were like that's what I'm going to do. Like you, there's nothing stopping anybody from doing anything, and that's what this card tells me.
Speaker 2:But even still, like carving a path, there's an element of like, I don't know, not saying that hard work wouldn't be involved in acquiring that job, but before the work, the thing that strikes me as the most important and something that keeps coming back lately from one of our first episodes, is Sarah Reeves. I have to go back and listen to that episode. But sarah reeves said, like you need a belief system, and I've thought about that and I I'm I keep wondering if I've misheard that. If it was, you need a belief system or you need a belief again like the way quantum things are working. These days, everyone is realizing that our brains are actually receivers more than anything and that we are, to a certain degree, sculpting our world around us. You have to believe that you can do something and not like we'll see how it goes, kind of way.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But, like in a, you kind of have to believe that you can do something. If there's something that you even remotely like want to achieve, you have to be a fool. Allow yourself to be a fool. If the worst version of yourself is harsh and denying you of something that you want, you have to let yourself be a fool for a moment and say I can do it, anybody could do it, I could do it.
Speaker 1:And I'm just going to add to that by. I'm going to continue to talk about Wes Moore for one second, because he was super inspiring.
Speaker 2:Is that the mayor of Governorland?
Speaker 1:Governor of Maryland. He lost his dad when he was four years old.
Speaker 2:I'm going to call him a nerd. That's fine, keep going.
Speaker 1:Very cool, anyway. So he said, like when he hears people say I'm going to do that thing in five years, I'm going to do that thing in 10 years, for him he's like I know, life is not promised to us. And when I hear someone say like I'm going to do that thing in like probably like 10 years, I'll do that later, he goes like oh, who'd you talk to that? Like told you how much time you had left. And I think that's a great takeaway to just remember that, like that, like you can do anything, you can start right now, and who cares what you think you might look like while doing it? Because if it's something you care about or you're interested in, just do the thing, start the project.
Speaker 2:Take the leap. The world is full of trolls and you have to just dance to their booze is what I always say. Yeah, let it feel you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You don't have to inherit the mentalities of the trolls that come at you and tell you you can't do something.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They're already there doing that. You need to be somebody else and allow yourself to be the most authentic, most not carefree, but the person that believes in you more than anybody else in the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Believe in yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would like to go. I need to go to bed now it is 11 pm.
Speaker 2:It's actually fine, because I'm for some reason actually losing my voice right now and I and I can't breathe from allergies um and because she's standing very close to me and I probably smell weird you smell fine I smell like rich people.
Speaker 1:I got too close to them you smell terrible I got their burberry on me I had burberry the perfume and it smells great anywho see, she belongs in aspen. I belong in aspen. See, I'm meant to be here. Guys, thank you for taking on this weird episode the bathroom episode the bathroom episode. We could title it that and you will be very concerned for us and you should be like I don't know what this is going to be about guys listen real quick.
Speaker 2:We'll get back to our normal, our normal stuff soon. We might have like one more weird episode like this because we still have a week on the road. Yeah, but um, I'm hoping we move into our place july 11. Yeah, so hopefully around there there'll be something normal and we'll get back to our. I'm hoping we move into our place July 11. Yeah, so hopefully around there there'll be something normal and we'll get back to our normal schedule. Until then, join us for this stupid ride.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we'll try not to skip any more weeks. Yeah, also. Lastly, We'll just give you weird updates like this yeah, I don't have outro music, so I don't want it to be an abrupt ending.
Speaker 3:Okay, so here we go.
Speaker 2:Drop here's the drop.
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Speaker 2:Guys, we love you. Thank you, bye, get out there and you're not a fool? No, or you are a fool, but the good kind yeah I should have said something better who cares?
Speaker 1:you get a fool reversed.
