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080: NDEs, Past Lives, and UFOs // with Simon Bown

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Certain fears or patterns in your life might have deeper roots than you realize. In this episode with hypnotherapist Simon Bown, we explore fascinating stories that challenge what we think we know about memory, healing, and the nature of reality.

Simon shares powerful experiences from his past life regression work with clients, where unexpected insights led to profound transformation. From long-standing conflicts suddenly dissolving to physical symptoms vanishing, the stories open up possibilities that feel both mysterious and deeply human.

We also touch on extraordinary accounts of near-death experiences and aliens. As always, we are exploring the idea that our existence may be far more expansive—and interconnected—than it seems, and Simon, a prolific paranormal podcast host himself, is a perfect guest to talk about this with. This is a conversation that invites curiosity, skepticism, and wonder all at once.

To learn more or to work with Simon:

Visit: https://www.pastliveshypnosis.co.uk/

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Lauren:

Hi Glitter Ghouls. In today's episode we talk to Simon Bowne, a hypnotherapist, author and double podcast host. We talk about past life, regression, near-death experiences, aliens and more. I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank:

And I'm the captain now.

Lauren:

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition. This is episode 80 of claire voyaging. Way feather media presents claire voyaging. All right, what's going on? Everybody, hey, everyone, how's it? How's it hanging?

Frank:

you caught frank right in the middle of one of his raps. I did a real bad rap.

Lauren:

I'll post it to patreon we had a lot of promises about your raps and turns out I am horrible, so yeah you had one half decent rap, improvised rap, and there's been, it's been downhill from there.

Frank:

You know, what's funny is that it's the pressure. You know you ask Lauren, all day long I'm walking around singing songs. Sometimes I've I drop a mad flow and you know you hit record and I am a trash can.

Lauren:

We improvise songs all day. It's true.

Lauren:

We're so annoying people, it's so annoying, so much that like, oh, actually I was singing. I made up a song last night for our kids. I was trying to tell our seven-year-old to use her own bathroom in the middle of the night and I was like I don't even remember it now, but I was saying it so many times that she one was singing it with me but also wanted me to stop. So bad, it was like use your own bathroom, use your own bathroom. And I was like get out of my room. And then I did a clap, it was a whole thing. She was like please stop.

Frank:

Very nice. I heard someone singing that at some point.

Lauren:

Yeah, she was repeating it. It was catchy, you wouldn't think so from what I was just saying just now. But anyway, not your best work.

Frank:

It's okay, but I digress. I was just saying just now. But anyway, not your best work, it's okay.

Lauren:

But I digress Friends.

Frank:

Uh videos back. Hi, we are a temporary studio, but maybe not. I don't really know what's happening, but this works for now. Yeah, it's not as pretty as the last one but have that luxurious those colors the yeah, we had a nice colorful background we don't have the colors this time, but the star is still here the stars, the heart, star and star, you know, are here, so they're here to stay.

Frank:

That makes it home. So here we are. Truly, uh, welcome back to it. Yeah, and thank you for your patience. Again, I know we had a couple of weeks off there. That wasn't part of the plan, but again, that's what happens when you have two serious Sagittarius people running a podcast. You know, you know, especially one that doesn't plan well.

Frank:

I want to do a public apology. Um, once upon a time I was making fun of other world because they have like a whole like crew and I was like, what do all those people do? This is just us. We're out here kicking ass and taking names. And now I'm like, yeah, what do all those people do? This is just us. We're out here kicking ass and taking names. And now I'm like, yeah, they don't miss weeks, it's. I think I know what those people do and I want to say great job, other world team, you're, you're really doing a great job.

Lauren:

Hang on a second. I don't think you were actually making fun. I think you were saying this is a lot of work and it's hard to do with two people.

Frank:

I there was. I got like I may be just a little cocky for a second.

Lauren:

Oh, did you? Yeah, well, if it didn't come across that way.

Frank:

Uh, yeah, it was just Frank Frankie go.

Lauren:

It's fine, it was fine.

Frank:

I thought it. I thought it.

Lauren:

Have.

Frank:

Thank you for coming to my confessional. How much help you need in many ways, help is great, which is why we're sponsored by BetterHelp. No, no, no, hey, betterhelp, a sponsor would be cool, we can be. That'd be great. That sounds nice.

Lauren:

Hey, so let's get to today's episode, okay, instead of making fun of ourselves and singing songs about going to the bathroom.

Frank:

This sounds good. This is what the people want.

Lauren:

They love the banter. How many people actually?

Frank:

Let's do a poll.

Lauren:

I'm going to do a poll on Spotify. If you watch or listen on Spotify, I'm going to add a poll that says do you want banter?

Frank:

Well, it shouldn't be. Do you want, because you're going to get it anyway. Do you like it? Yeah, no, I don't even think that the question should be how many people just hit fast forward until they get to like the song cue that tells them that the actual interview has started.

Lauren:

Oh yeah, or me saying like let her rip or whatever it is Right yeah, if or whatever it is Right yeah.

Frank:

If I were you, I would not listen to this. I'm just letting you know.

Lauren:

But Drew does.

Frank:

Thanks, Drew.

Lauren:

Sweet Drew.

Frank:

Friend, I'd say friend of the show, just friend.

Lauren:

Okay, so today's guest is Simon Bowne, and one of our listeners, holly, wrote to us and said I think Simon would be a great guest and I just want to say thank you for reaching out because you were right.

Frank:

He was a great guest.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Very cool, amazing stories. This guy is, uh, an author, a podcast host. He has stories about NDEs, he has stories about aliens, he's got it all.

Lauren:

Yeah, and he does past life regression. Yeah, he, he's got it all.

Frank:

Yeah, and he does past life regression. Yeah, he's not. He's not a self-proclaimed psychic in any kind of way, but he is so deep in that world and and believes it that, like it's, he's got great stories. I loved it.

Lauren:

It was a fun conversation it was a really great conversation so with that, please enjoy simon bound and twinkle, twinkle little puppies what's up with the twinkle twinkles? Did I say twinkle, twinkle, okay it stays, it stays.

Lauren:

Simon, thank you so much for joining us. On Claire Voyaging, we actually had a listener recommend you because her name's Holly and she listens to your podcast and she said I think he'd be a great guest. So thank you for coming on and we like to do a little backstory to understand how you got into the work that you're doing. So can you tell us a bit about yourself and what led you here?

Simon:

Yeah, well, the work I'm doing is I'm a clinical hypnotherapist. I take people through past life regression. I've got two podcasts, our Paranormal Afterlife and the Alien UFO podcast, and my book came out recently which is Verified Near-Death Experiences, and so I've had this fascination with supernatural or paranormal stuff my whole life. When I was 10 years old I'd go to the local public library and get the books out. I didn't have many, but it could be anything. It could be Bigfoot or ghosts or UFOs, and that was 1976. That shows how old I am. And over time I read more books and over time more books came out, because back then there weren't so many. I read more books and over time more books came out, because back then there weren't so many. But now there's a lot of stuff.

Simon:

And in the 1980s I would go to the College of Psychic Studies in London. It was set up by the Society for Psychical Research, like 140 years ago, and they had a fantastic library. But I wasn't a student there, but the students were learning mediumship and channeling and past life regression, and so you could go every couple of weeks and the students could practice on you. You just pay a little bit of money. So I used to do that as a kind of fascination of this investigation, and so I was taken through a past life regression there and I talked with this woman who was a channel and this Chinese voice accent came through and it was saying this spirit. They said they haven't incarnated on earth for 3000 years and were Chinese. They seem very wise. And so then more books came out and I was reading books about alien abduction on one side and afterlife stuff on the other, near-death experiences and mediumship, and I was taking through a number of past life regressions over time and I decided that's something I wanted to do, because I was working in IT and it was all to do with servers and networking and it might be what you call soulless and I wanted to do something soulful.

Simon:

So I got my diploma in clinical hypnotherapy and I got certified in past life regression therapy and I was listening to a lot of podcasts about all this kind of stuff and I was thinking maybe I could do that because I've been bass player since 1980 and I've learned how to use all this recording software. So recording a voice is a piece of cake and it's just amazing. I'd email people and say, would you be a guest? And they'd say yes, and I've maybe had 10 downloads in total for my whole podcast. But it just kind of slowly, slowly built up, because you know they say it's a marathon, not a sprint with podcasts, and so I've released over 800 episodes now and my book is doing okay.

Simon:

And the thing about the book it's all about these near-death experiences where people will be out of body, they'll see something and it may be that their body's hooked up to these devices. So they know the body, the heart was flatlined, the brain was flatlined, and then they come back and they're resuscitated and they describe what happened and the people there could say but you were clinically dead, there's no way you could have seen that. And so every near-death experience in my book has got that kind of a verification event. That's why I call it verified near-death experiences and there's about 30 of them in my book and so, yeah, I'm working on my next book now, but that's sort of more or less how I got here.

Lauren:

Wow, that's awesome.

Frank:

I got here Wow, that's, that's awesome. So you were like a fan of general psychism at any point, did you? Would you have considered yourself a skeptic?

Simon:

Yeah, yeah, I think it's. You know, you've got to keep an open mind, but you can't just accept anything. You still have to have logic and reason and study what's going on, and I like this phrase of keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out. I feel I've got a big gray area. There's little bits at one end here where I might say, no, I definitely don't believe that, and then a little bit over here I definitely do believe that, and in between this big gray area where most things fit.

Lauren:

Yeah, I feel like we're like that when it comes to that. The alien stuff like the galactic federation is a tough one for me to like wrap my brain around.

Frank:

Yeah, we talk about that a lot because we talk to so many psychics. It's always like, okay, well, I have like I can, I can verify that they have tapped into something and told me information that they shouldn't have known, right, but with the like alien stuff, sometimes I'm just like, ah, this is tough, like I want to believe. I really I am Fox Mulder, I want to believe, but, like you know, uh, it often has to come through you know, someone else telling you something about it, unless you have like direct experience yourself. So, yeah, my question to you was was, I guess, do you still hold on to that? Do you still hold on to that skeptic mindset or are you? Are you more in now?

Simon:

I'd say I'm a bit more in now yeah like a few years ago, if you'd asked me about life after death, I would have said like 99% believe in it, but I feel 100% now, after all this research I've done with near-death experiences and mediumship and past life regression and children that remember past lives, and there's deathbed visions and terminal lucidity all these different things coming together for it. But I'll tell you a story. I was interviewing a woman who'd written a book about angels and to me that was very religious and you think, oh, I don't know about that. You know the white robes, the big white feathers, the wings. I stopped, I finished talking to her and recording and she said about how, if you see a white feather, it's a sign that there's an angel around. So the next day I'm walking down the street and this feather falls out of the sky right in front of me, this white feather. And I thought, oh, it's just a coincidence, not taking any notice of it.

Simon:

And a few few weeks later, I was interviewing a medium for the podcast and again we stopped the recording. We were talking and I mentioned it to her and she said, oh yeah, that's the sign angels around, if you see a feather showing up in a weird way. I was like okay. So I finished the call with her and I went to wanted to see one of my teenage daughters and she's in her bedroom. She's very tidy and there in the middle of the floor of her bedroom was a feather and there's nothing else on the floor because she's so tidy. And I said to her where did this come from? And she looked at it and said I don't know. And then went back to her video game. I thought that's weird.

Simon:

I was just talking to a medium about feathers showing up in a weird way and a feather shows up in a weird way, and so I was starting to think about it. And then I went to see a medium locally and I was sitting opposite her in her room and we're both in these big comfortable armchairs, completely clean carpet. We didn't get up and go anywhere and she did the mediumship thing and she was really good. And then she finished that and she was saying well, how did you find me? And I said well, I was talking to a medium on my podcast. She recommended you. And then we were talking about feathers and she said look at the floor. And I looked at the floor and there was a white feather in between us.

Frank:

Oh my gosh.

Simon:

And that had not been there the whole hour she'd been doing her mediumship. Neither of us had got up and gone anywhere, and it was like a sudden stop to my brain. I just could not compute. Where did this come from?

Frank:

That's really funny.

Simon:

That's almost like there's. These angels or spirit guides are trying to communicate with me and send me a feather, and the first time I didn't get it, second time I didn't really get it, and they must be slapping their foreheads thinking what are we going to do to get through this guy? So they teleported one in when I was in that medium like push it up from the floor.

Simon:

Yeah, this is come out we'll get simon with this one so that that that was a thing where I I really it didn't sit right with me, this angel thing. But then after those three times it really makes you think about it yeah yeah, I feel like it's.

Lauren:

Yeah, sometimes it's like just testing to see how, how, how long until you actually believe and like open up your understanding a little bit more.

Frank:

And Lauren's big on on signs. You talk about signs a lot and when something comes up that many times it's like, okay, I get it, you gotta, you gotta get, you gotta get beat over the head sometimes with it. Yeah, having spent so much time in this space, I want to ask you this question have you personally been in a place where you can develop your own psychic abilities, or have you found yourself more intuitive in any kind of way?

Simon:

No, not really. It's a thing. I take people through past life regression. I did hundreds and hundreds of sessions and sometimes they ask me what did I pick up? And I say sorry, I didn't pick up anything. I did have a couple of times a vision of a kind of a small Greek amphitheater and as we were starting the session these people were coming in to sit down and I almost felt like that was spirit guides or council of elders coming in to help out or observe or something. I have had psychic things come to me, but the very few of them and I got no control over it. I was in. I think it was 1998.

Simon:

I was going to a friend's wedding in New Zealand. I'd never been there before and two weeks before I was going to go she said to me would I get some horrible piece of tourist rubbish as a wedding present? So I went into the centre of London, I bought her a tea towel with the London Underground map on it and I'm just walking out down the street and suddenly I had this vision that I was with her in her car in New Zealand. And this lasted about 30 seconds and so I heard part of this conversation. I saw the houses, what they look like. Street names and the houses are quite distinct in this part of Christchurch because they have earthquakes there. So they built these wooden houses and they're set up in a certain way. So they built these wooden houses and they're set up in a certain way. So a couple of weeks later I was there and then it happened exactly as I'd seen it those 30 seconds, the whole conversation, the street names were the same, the houses exactly the same as I saw them.

Lauren:

So that was a psychic thing that happened to me. That's amazing. Does it make you want to develop it or do you kind of prefer being like I like to just ask the questions?

Simon:

No, I suppose I would like to develop it, but I think that's a lot of hard work and I don't have the time and I try to meditate and I'm really not very good at that. So I think, with this sort of thing, you'd have to learn how to still your mind in some way and open it so you can receive communication in some way, whether it's psychic or mediumship, because you know they're two different things.

Frank:

And uh yeah, and also, I've reached an age now where I'm looking for retirement rather than development I can appreciate that, yeah yeah, but I also love that that you know you have found your way into being a practitioner of a, of a, of a study that is really well-seeded in the esoteric traditions, right, even though you claim to not have like constant control over your, let's say, latent psychic abilities. So let me ask you this then can you walk us through what one of your sessions looks like when you're doing the, the past life regression stuff?

Simon:

yeah, well, um, first of all, you know I'll talk to the person about hypnosis and how it works and how it feels, if they haven't done it before, because being hypnotized is just very, very relaxed kind of state and you're still aware of your surroundings. You'll feel like you could stop anytime you want. You remember everything. And there's a part of my past life regression session where we go into the life between lives, the kind of afterlife place where we would hope to encounter their spirit guide, and so before we start, I say do you have questions for your spirit guides? I say hope to encounter them, because they don't always show up. Most of the time they do. I did a session once and this is for therapy and a spirit guide showed up and said I'm not going to talk to you, you're here to work on this lesson and it wouldn't be good if I helped you with it. And then it just disappeared.

Lauren:

Whoa.

Simon:

We go into the hypnotic induction, which is all about relaxation and visualization. There's several stages to it and it's got this very hypnotic language and I sort of cool my voice down a little bit, so it's almost like I'm a smooth jazz FM DJ.

Frank:

Oh, I like that.

Simon:

I like that therapy thing we could say take us to the past life.

Simon:

That is the origin point of this issue. You know what the issue is, yeah, and then I say that there's this big, tall wall in front of you and there's a gate in the middle of this wall and I say, go over to the gate, and on the other side of this gate is one of your past lives. And I say, now, just open the gate and step through into that past life. So then I stop describing anything and it's all coming to the client in their mind's eye and they can have emotions and just gain knowledge about things. And so I'll be asking them very basic, open questions, can't do any leading, can't suggest anything, after we start off, just finding out who they are, where they are, and then we say, okay, let's move it forward. What happens next? What are your emotions here? And then we sort of could go hunting for something if it's for therapy and trying to find out what might have happened in that past life that has caused the issue in this life. And one of the ways you do it is, I might say I'll count you down from five to zero. When I get to zero, you'll move to a significant event in that life, an event that is the cause of your current life's issues. You try and find these things, and then I've got techniques to break the bond with the past life and release negative energy, and we can also ask the spirit guide to give some healing.

Simon:

But I've got a whole list of questions that I work from the spirit guide as well, where I would ask them why did you show us this past life? What can we learn from it? How is it related to your current life? Is there anything negative we can clear today? You might ask what is your purpose? Are you on the right path? What did you agree to before you were born? How can we have a stronger connection to you? What advice would you give right now? And then you might ask is there any karma coming through that was negative? You might ask how many past lives have you had and who in your life have you incarnated with before? So that would bring me to the end of the session and we record it all. So I send the recording to the client afterwards. Well, that's how I would do a past life regression session. Basically, okay, your voice is very soothing. That's how I would do a past life depression session.

Lauren:

Basically Okay, your voice is very soothing. I was like, okay, I could see how that would be.

Frank:

Oh, no, 100%.

Lauren:

I felt like I was slipping into some peaceful state just now.

Frank:

Yeah, and you are very clearly good at what you do.

Lauren:

That's amazing yeah.

Frank:

And I love those questions. I mean you cover the bases. That sounds perfect, that's amazing. Yeah, and like I love those questions, I mean those are you cover the bases? That's, that's sounds perfect, that's amazing.

Lauren:

I have a. I have a question about that. So are there, do you have any patients who almost wrestle with their own mind? Because I ask this? Because I've never been hypnotized but I've, like our family therapist, like a year or two ago, um said let me try a past life regression, just like. It was kind of like a quick, like 20 minute thing, and he did that with me and I felt myself like um and I felt myself like Fighting yourself.

Lauren:

Fighting, but also like filtering almost, or actually no, just judging what I was saying, what I was seeing, and I was like in my head I was like I'm making all of this up but I wasn't, but I was doubting it so much. So do you have patients who like how do you deal with that? Someone who's a little self-judgmental, I guess like me?

Simon:

One of the things that I say is that it's all recorded. So if you want to do an analysis and be logical, you can do that later when you listen back to it.

Simon:

So you just go with the flow and just let whatever comes to you come to you. I mean, when I was taking through past life regressions, it does come up in your imagination and you feel like you're making it up. Yeah, that's what we do with our imagination. But then the lives that show up are so unexpected and unpredictable, and it's a thing of engaging with the process and following the hypnotic induction. And I often start calls and people say I'm really nervous, I don't know if I can do it, or I don't think I'm someone who can be hypnotized, and then they just go straight into it. And I also think that sometimes people's idea of what hypnosis is is different to what it actually is, which is just being very, very relaxed. And it's usually when people come out of the hypnosis they're rubbing their eyes and they're oh man, I didn't know how relaxed I was. It's a very gradual thing, but people can get into it.

Frank:

That's great. Yeah, I think the thing that you said, the thing that that you said, uh, simon, about how it's it comes from the same place as your imagination, that that's that was my kind of hang up too with it, because I did have a quick session too. Um, actually mine was like an hour.

Lauren:

It wasn't that quick, but yeah, but it's a whole episode with your talking about your experience.

Frank:

I did but the entire time I was in that struggle of like I'm, I'm making this up, you know, because I'm, we're creatives, right, so we write a lot. We like imagine scenarios when we're writing narratives and I'm like what you know, this is coming from the same place as that, except for I'm letting it come to me, as opposed to forcing my own creativity on to something I don't know I was taken through a past life regression and I saw myself as a woman in 16th century venice.

Simon:

And after we came out of it, the hypnotherapy saidist said to me would you make that up? I said you know, I'd want to be a Spitfire pilot in the Second World War. I wouldn't be a woman in Venice.

Frank:

Right that is true, that's a great point, but actually, while you're a woman in Venice, could you bring me back some wine from there? I bet you that's a real good event wine from there.

Lauren:

I bet you that's a real good event. Have you had people or patients who have looked into like they had some real details or really specific events from their past life regression and then found that information after the fact Like, oh, I validated this, like past life this was me or whatever? A?

Simon:

couple of people have done that. I think a lot of people don't bother or we just don't get enough detail yeah somebody did send me a picture of a portrait, an oil painting, and said this this is me, I found the life, this is the person, what this is what they look like, so I put that on my website.

Lauren:

That's so cool. I love that that's, that's amazing. I'm going to switch gears to your book. When you wrote this book were you. How are you finding the people to tell the stories about?

Simon:

well it. It's over time. Yeah, I've talked to lots of people who've had near death experiences, a lot of them. You know, it's like I could say my UFO podcasts maybe 250 episodes. So it'd be 550 of the afterlife podcast and it's each episode is an hour long interview, but then I do another 10 minute one after that. Most of the people on my podcast are authors, so I interview them and then afterwards, when I get permission, I read a 10 minute extract from their book and those episodes can get just as many downloads as the interview.

Frank:

That's a good idea, that's cool, that's great.

Simon:

So I came across so many people that had these verification events and I find this particularly interesting because it's some kind of evidence, there's something you can talk to witnesses about, and so I was thinking I'm going to write maybe three books, and so that's what I chose the first one to be. So each chapter is featuring one person describes their whole near-death experience, how they got into it, what happens with their out-of-body, their whole spiritual side of it with the spirit guides and life review, and how they came back. And then at the end of the chapter, I go through what I call the verification events and show for every chapter you know how strong the verification is on each of these people.

Lauren:

Whoa, that's great.

Frank:

That is really cool.

Lauren:

Say the name of your book again.

Simon:

Verified Near-Death Experiences.

Frank:

So you seem very academic in this and I love that, because I have a tendency to like be very investigative. Investigative Is that good?

Lauren:

Yeah, sure, yeah.

Frank:

As well. And you know, over the course of our podcast, which is nowhere near as prolific as yours, you're knocking out episodes. That's amazing. But over the course of our podcast I tend to, you know, make a Venn diagram in my mind of, like, everyone's experiences and try to actually pull out the structure of, like, how things might work in the afterlife and stuff like that. Or, you know, how do angels operate? That kind of stuff in your NDE interviews, like, have you kind of sussed out a, a, a structure that you think the way like of things, how they kind of work on the other side very, very basically because they they have such detailed experiences but they can be so different from each other.

Simon:

Like, some people will have the death and then they'll have the out-of-body experience and they'll see their body, what's going on around there, and then they move into the afterlife. Other people are just instantly in the afterlife. There's no out-of-body view and this idea of the tunnel of light is very, I would say very rare, but I think it's maybe 15 percent of people have that experience in it and, like, some people describe where they go to as a very kind of I what I call an idyllic england, with these wonderful green fields and the flowers and the trees and the stream going through and all that kind of thing. And there was a place that the society for psychical research. I think they named it Summerland, like a hundred years ago, which pretty much describes that. And that's why I think of it as an idyllic England, because that Society for Psychical Research were in London and all the people they talked to were pretty much British and when they died their heaven would be like that because that's where they grew up. But somebody else say if they grew up in Saudi Arabia, their heaven might be a completely different idea, so they'd go to their heaven and not to this place full of green fields.

Simon:

So it's like the near-death experiences are tailored for the individual and there's some people who don't go to that kind of space, those green fields. They go to just a space of light or a space of darkness and they, they meet a spirit guide and they're taken on a tour and they go all over the universe. Sometimes that's what they say they may have their body is clinically dead for 12 seconds and they say their near-death experience lasted three years and so it's very tough to work out what's going on. But people die and they do go somewhere else and they come back with verifications of these things. There's people in the book who go to kind of taken on a tour and they'll go somewhere that's not very nice and a guide will be showing them this is the place that's not very nice and then they'll go somewhere else that's maybe a bit better. But what they also see is that the spirits who are more enlightened are coming down to these darker spaces and helping spirits out of there and raising them up to the light, so to speak.

Simon:

But there's also this thing of religion where some you might get an atheist who says they meet Jesus and then you get a Christian who doesn't meet Jesus or will meet one of the Hindu gods, like Shiva or Buddha or something. So it gets confusing. And it is that thing where I think it's tailored exactly to the individual and it's almost as though the space they go to isn't the afterlife, it's a holding space or what you might call the theater of the near-death experience, to give the person exactly what they need. Because I think you might have 100 people who have a cardiac arrest and resuscitated, only 10% of them will have a near-death experience. The rest will say nothing happened. That's a wonder if they didn't have it, because they didn't need it from a spiritual point of view.

Frank:

That's so interesting.

Simon:

Maybe everybody does, but only some are allowed to remember it because sometimes the spirits say that to the person. It because sometimes the spirits say that to the person. You know there was a woman who was shown her whole life and everything that was laid out in front of her that was to come. And she said I could read it all, I knew it was happening. And then they said we're not going to let you remember this, just letting you see it now. But they said to her you can take something out. And she, she saw chronic illness was written on it and she took the chronic illness out that was going to happen after these injuries that caused her near-death experience. And there's miraculous healings that show up as well. It's quite remarkable. So knowing what the afterlife is like seems to be different for everybody, but I do believe it's there.

Lauren:

I love the term the theater of a past life experience, because I feel like that. I mean, we've interviewed a few people who have had past life or, sorry, near-death experiences and they all seem different and I'm like, well, wait a minute, what actually happens? But I love I think you put it so well that that makes sense to me, like it's tailored to each person, like we had who was it? Someone had they envisioned like a crystal palace.

Frank:

Oh, yeah, yeah, who was that? I don't remember.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Would you say that everyone does come back changed, or or are there some people who are like, oh, whatever, that was a crazy dream, like they don't care that much?

Simon:

I'd say everybody comes back changed. The change comes after a while and other people it's instantaneous. I think sometimes it depends on your upbringing if you're very strongly religious or you're very atheist. There's a guy in my book who was a drug addict and his near-death experience happened when he was very, very drunk. He got in his car at 2 am. He was full of heroin. While he was driving he had mushrooms in a bag next to him and he said he was eating them like we call them crisps. You know, like it was just chomping on them as he was driving oh, my god man somebody's house at 70 miles an hour and he said he was an awful person.

Simon:

And this is when, I think, he's 19 years old. This, this happened and after he came out of the near-death experience, it took him a while to really realize what had happened and what it was all about. And he's a completely changed person now. That's a guy called malcolm nair, I think it is. He's, uh, he's like a life coach now and a spiritual mentor for people.

Frank:

Wow.

Simon:

Wow.

Frank:

That's amazing. But good God, gnarly crazy, that's crazy. That guy knows how to party.

Lauren:

No, he doesn't. Yeah, I guess that's true.

Frank:

Wow, that's wild. Um, okay, let's. Oh, I do have a question for you regarding sorry now we're kind of jumping back and forth between ndd, ndes and past life stuff, but I guess it's somewhat related. Um, so I've heard some people describe like past lives, right, as something that happened before, but, um, I don't know, I've heard other people say that it's actually a concurrent life because time doesn't really exist on the other side, right, like do you, do you have an opinion on on that?

Simon:

yeah, I say that that's both correct. It's, it's a thing for us. It's linear, isn't it? It's one after the other. Yeah, in the afterlife, people, near-death experiences, and others will say you know, it doesn't seem like there is any time. Near-death experiences say that they can be in several places at once and be completely engaged in every place, and it's not at all overwhelming. And so I feel it's. It's kind of like an image I have of a tree where the trunk is the soul and every leaf is a different life. So as the tree is experiencing all the leaves at the same time, the soul experiences all the lives at the same time, because that afterlife space, there's no time there. So it's a thing where your soul will put a part of itself in each life. So it's kind of like me, simon when I die, I don't reincarnate, but my soul is putting another spark of itself in another life.

Lauren:

I feel like you should write a book. That was beautiful.

Frank:

Okay, so I have another, and maybe I'm getting too into the details here. I'm always asking about the structure of stuff, but he's a structure guy.

Frank:

Yeah, and it's unfortunate, the I often wonder, you know, if we are able to, you know, go into hypnosis and then experience one of our past lives, like, do we have access to the entire film reel, from start to finish, or do we only get a glimpse into, as if there's like two movies happening at the same time and you pop your head into another theater? You know what I mean. Like in one of my regressions I was able to kind of experience a death that I'd had, but then in one of my other ones I tried to get to the. I walked towards the death part of another life, but it just felt like it was on pause, like it was still happening. I was told that I might have died, but I didn't have access to the sensations of death. It felt like it was something that was actually occurring. I don't know if you have a theory on that.

Simon:

I think the spirit guides. If it is them that choose which past life you see, they decide what you see and they'll show you what is good for you. And if they don't show you your death, it might be because they just don't think it's important. Or it may be that you don't see some people. I I've sessions quite a lot. People may be in this space with their past life family and they're getting this great view of their children, but it may be the husband's, the, the lady's saying I just can't get a good image of him. I can't see his face or what he's wearing, but he's there and I think think, yeah, the spirit guides, he's not important. That's not what this is about. It's about the children, and so it's like you won't see the death there because they don't feel you need to see it.

Frank:

That makes sense.

Lauren:

Yeah, that makes sense, you got what you needed out of that reading.

Frank:

Yeah, you needed out of that reading and it was very specific things, right. So in that, yeah, and that makes sense for me too and for that one that I experienced, because in that one I was on something of like a quest and I was very ill prepared and I didn't have what I needed and, um, I tend to like I don't want to call myself a doomsday prepper, but I have some stuff just in case. Put it that way I have a sometimes unreasonable need to make sure I have everything to like encounter an emergency, and some people just call that anxiety, but it's deeper than that for me.

Lauren:

You like to be prepared?

Frank:

I like to be prepared.

Lauren:

Very prepared.

Frank:

Oh my gosh. So I wonder, like in in, according to, like your theory, like maybe I'm tapping into that, or or the guides are like oh, maybe it is a good idea to have some stuff that you need, or you know, there's something there that I could like think about a little bit and really like dwell on and see what the lesson is in that.

Simon:

I had a client who always had to have food in the house. They didn't eat it, they didn't have like a weight problem, but it was this thing of this horror of not having enough food. And we saw a past life where they had seven children Victorian era and the husband left. They had no money. Two of the children died of malnourishment and she was very skinny. And in this life there's this feeling she's always got to make sure there's enough food for everybody and it, when we said, take us to the origin point of that feeling. That's the life they took us to, that's what they showed her.

Lauren:

That is so fascinating to me.

Frank:

I think you need to do like a full.

Lauren:

I know, I know I was going to say it.

Frank:

It would be so cool to see what your things are. Yeah, all right, you should do that.

Lauren:

Yeah, because there's certain things where you're like well, I know where some of my whatever fear or trauma or just recurring pattern comes from. But then sometimes I'm like I don't know why I do that or I don't know why I'm scared of that thing, you know.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

That's so interesting.

Frank:

I'd love you know what we need to do. We, and maybe we should tap into Simon here, uh, like at a later date. And maybe we should tap into Simon here at a later date, I would love to know what your issue with time is.

Frank:

I think that's ADHD, I don't know. Lauren is clinically late. She doesn't wear a watch. She doesn't want to wear a watch. She doesn't want to acknowledge the fact that time is a thing and there's got to be something to it. Wait, correction, I want want to. I just am very I'm not skilled at it. I think there's something genetic, not not like from your genes. I think you had some genetic programming from past lives or something something's going on maybe that's my sense of it simon, do you do Zoom appointments?

Simon:

Yeah, we're all on Zoom now. Most of my clients are in the US, oh cool.

Frank:

That's actually a funny question. Why are most of your clients in the US? Is it just a cultural thing? Is it more?

Simon:

acceptable, I suppose. So I don't know, but I do find with my downloads on the podcasts it's about 80-85% US where the downloads are, and then the next one is Australia and New Zealand, and then after that it's the UK.

Lauren:

Interesting.

Frank:

That is really interesting. Have there been any? Have you had any clients that like? Obviously people walk away changed. They find what they experienced profound. Is there anything that you have heard from a client that you were like that is the most profound thing, that like has changed you deeply?

Simon:

Yeah, there's a couple of things I could think of. There was a woman who I think it was like 27 years she's had this argument with her mother and it's always been bad and we did the past life regression and she emailed me later and said I went to my mum's for Sunday lunch and it's the first time in 27 years I've stepped through the door and not felt angry straight away.

Lauren:

Wow.

Simon:

And there was another lady who had lots of eczema on her leg, below her knee. She didn't even tell me about this. This just shows what the spirit guides do. But we went to a past life where she was a hunter in a forest and she stepped in a bear trap. You know, those big metal claws came up and grabbed her leg and it's exactly the same spot as the eczema in this life. What she emailed me later and said the eczema's completely cleared up what she was in her 50s and she tried all her life to get rid of it. Nothing would work with doctors and lotions and potions, but it seemed this past life regression just cleared it up.

Lauren:

Whoa.

Frank:

Oh man, I love this idea of a physical manifestation, manifestation of like a past life trauma.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

That is so so interesting. I'm going to have to think about this what's wrong with my tummy? What's wrong with Frank's tummy? Oh, my gosh, that's so cool. Oh, I don't know if I've heard of that. I love that.

Lauren:

What is your next book?

Simon:

Oh, the next't know. I don't know if I've heard of that. I love that. What? What is your next book? Oh, the next one is, uh, alien abduction.

Simon:

Ooh, I've talked to a lot of people on my UFO podcast. You've had these experiences and a lot of, I think, ufo podcasts talk about the whole disclosure thing and the government and what they're hiding. I don't really cover that. I've got about 50 interviews and I've got the transcripts now and I'm going through them these people describing their whole experiences. So that's what I'm studying for the book and I'll also have quotes from them in my book. And it's like the Near-Death Experience book is that? Everybody in there, almost everybody in that one. I have talked to myself and they have verified the events. When I finished their chapter, I sent it to them and they read it through and confirmed if it was accurate or a little changes need to be made. So it's not that I watched a YouTube video and then wrote about it. I did all this research with the person and talk to them. So I talked to everybody for this alien abduction book wow, that's so cool what?

Frank:

what are your like big like with? You know no spoilers, but what are your big like?

Lauren:

takeaways like your key findings from your interview so far about that yeah, again, is there like a recurring theme or like a, like you said, like the venn diagram, where?

Simon:

stories kind of meet up in some way yeah, there's lots of stuff, typical weird things like people when their children waking up outside the house in their pajamas and they're locked out and it's three o'clock in the morning and they just find themselves just there suddenly, not that they're asleep on the grass and they wake up. And there's some people who wake up in the morning and their pajamas, their night clothes, are on backwards or inside out, or they're not their clothes at all, and these are sort of hints and things. And then there's missing time that shows up for lots of people which and they kind of describe it as though somebody's taken a film and cut a segment out and then join the film back up together. So it's an instant change. There was a guy I talked to had this, uh, has this harley davidson and he's so proud of it and he loves it and he only rides it on really nice, smooth tarmac because he doesn't want any little stones spitting up and hitting the chrome and the paintwork and things. So he was out for a ride and he was doing about 70 on this road and an instant later he's doing 30 on a gravel path. He said there was no weirdness, no blackness or anything, and it was two hours later and he just didn't know what was going on and he would never take his bike on a gravel path like that. Just didn't know what was going on and he would never take his bike on a gravel path like that. So that that's a typical missing time thing that lots of people describe.

Simon:

And then there's the thing of being picked up you know the actual abduction and being floated through the wall or through the window like it doesn't exist. And there's suggestions there that people are not physically taken but their consciousness is taken. But then there are other things where people are physically taken because there's marks on their body and their family members see things or their friends see things. I've talked to a woman who ended up getting divorced because the husband was so freaked out by what he was seeing in the house. So there are lots of commonalities and that's basically what my book is about. It's it's different aspects and then I'll be studying this like the missing time aspect and I'll have lots of quotes in there from people describing the missing time event that happened to them. Wow, it's. It's also gets very strange. They call it high strangeness yeah for me.

Simon:

The weirder it is, the more interested I am yeah, yeah definitely hold on.

Frank:

Let me see what's going on with our light. It's flickering for some. It started flickering when we started talking about aliens oh my god it's either a technical issue or a not so technical issue. Would you mind grabbing your charger? It's plugged in yeah, I think it was just your laptop kind of going out?

Frank:

no, I think it's the aliens it's the aliens, okay, so I do have a question, a follow-up question, on that, because when we've talked to people, because we are talking to people in the context of, like psychism and all that, um, we're always talking about, uh, aliens in terms of galactic or um other dimensional beings, right, and we've never discussed an abduction of any kind. Do you? How do you? How do you quantify this? Are we like, are these two different creatures? Do we have like the things from other planets that are abducting people? And then there are also the like spiritual aliens, or what do you think?

Simon:

it seems to be something like that yeah and it's like human, the human race. There's going to be different viewpoints and different agendas and things. Different people describe different alien beings, but it's. It gets very weird. There's one guy I talked to who said the alien said to him this is one of the greys. They said this is not what we look like where we come from. We're not physical. What you see of us is what you imprint upon us with your consciousness.

Frank:

Oh.

Simon:

So that's part of the high strangeness that I really like to find, yeah.

Lauren:

Can you define the greys just for anyone?

Frank:

that's the classic.

Simon:

Like a gray alien I know, but I mean, it took a while for me to even know what that was oh because there's the short, three and a half four feet tall, with the big head and the big black eyes, and then there's taller ones than that, and then there's the ones they call the tall whites, which look pretty much the same but they're six or seven feet tall, and it appears that the short ones are maybe genetically engineered and that they're they're made to perform certain tasks and they're not so clever, and it's the tall ones that the actual aliens that may have evolved somewhere. But there's another thing of looking at it is why are they so much like us? Why they got a head and two arms and two legs? How is it? They're perfectly fine in our atmospheric pressure. And why is it? None of our viruses or bacterias cause them to be ill? How are they just fine in our gravity? So it may be that they were genetically engineered to be on earth to do what they need to do on earth. They're more kind of biological robots.

Frank:

That's such an interesting. That's such an interesting take. Yeah, I've heard that. I've heard like time travelers or like they're coming back in time and like abducting people to like fix their dna or something there's like been. I've heard so many different things about what they might be. Do you have a take on any of that, or are you just like in in, collect data mode and observe?

Simon:

yeah, I mean I've been reading books since the 80s about alien abduction and I've seen ufos close up myself a couple of times.

Frank:

You've experienced a UFO.

Simon:

Yeah, I did a gig west of London in this town, and this would have been about 93. And we packed up all the gear in the cars. It was 1 am Monday morning. I'm heading on the M40 and back into London and I remember noticing there were no other cars around on the motorway, which was a little odd.

Simon:

But up ahead of me on the left was a really bright light and this empty field and we drive on the left and I knew that stretch of motorway really well and I was thinking there's nothing in that field, there's no houses. How come there's such a bright light? I thought maybe they're doing emergency electric system repairs or something, and so I slowed down and I checked my mirrors again there's no other cars and I got my speed down maybe five miles an hour and just as I got to where that light was, it came into view as this UFO. This craft was about 25 feet off the ground and 200 feet from me and it was completely silent. It didn't move an inch the whole time and it had many, many little red lights across one half of the bottom and the other end. There was a really bright spotlight pointed at the ground and the craft was shaped like a rugby ball and the spotlight was so bright and it's only later I was thinking. You know this kind of uh, comical image of abduction.

Frank:

They show the light coming out, the craft and the person going up in it I was gonna going to say, yeah, you didn't see like a cow going up or anything, did you? No, that classic image.

Simon:

So I went past it really slowly, staring at it and then leaning forward over the steering wheel looking up at it. So I got a good look at that. And then I just increased my speed and went home and I checked my clock as well, because I knew about missing time and I was thinking did I get home an hour later than I should? Yeah, there was no missing time there.

Lauren:

Oh my gosh.

Frank:

What was your emotional? Were you just like that's cool, or were you scared? What were?

Simon:

you feeling it was more of that thing of just saying oh, that's interesting. Which is weird, and this is something I come across with uh, ufo people having these experiences is sometimes it's almost like their brains are switched off, like the ets are telepathically controlling them in a way. I talked to a lady um, this is before people had phones but she had a really nice camera in the backseat of her car and she stopped and she was looking at this UFO and she started leaning back to get the camera and then she just stopped and didn't take a picture and she felt that was so weird and so unlike her because she's so into photography. It was like something external switched that idea off and that sort of thing shows up now and then huh whoa that's wild.

Frank:

It's so wild that you saw one of these things. That's that's amazing. Yeah, you said that was one of your experiences.

Simon:

You've had multiple well, another time I saw a ball, an orange ball of light about the size of a car, and that was stationary and just 25 feet off the ground. And again I was driving, again I was gigging, and this time, though, it was going across this area called the New Forest, which is a national forest and it's protected, so you can't build there or do anything. So to set up a 25-foot tall thing and put an orange ball of light the size of a car on top of it seems like a pretty odd thing to do, and I couldn't stop because the roads were so busy and there's no area to pull over to the side.

Simon:

So I just had to drive and look at it and then look at the front and then look over again, and it didn't move at all the whole time I was driving.

Frank:

And I'm assuming like a lot of people saw that because you're on the road I don't know I don't know there is weird stuff with that as well.

Simon:

This is part of the high strangeness. You can have three people. Two of them will see a ufo and the third won't see it oh my gosh I talked to a woman who saw this UFO.

Simon:

She was having ET contact experiences. This UFO came over the house about the size of a football field and it was completely silent and it was black and she said if she'd had a baseball she could have thrown it and hit the bottom of this UFO. Oh my gosh, she was in the garden looking at it. Her daughter was in her bedroom looking up at it her adult daughter and what her daughter described was different to what her mother saw, completely different craft huh so that that's.

Frank:

That's another weirdness thing that shows up, something to do with consciousness and perception and screen memories, which is another thing that's fascinating consciousness is so weird maybe this is like your next next book, but have you had anybody who's like had a past life experience and like reported, I don't know, having an interaction with a ufo or an alien of any kind?

Simon:

yeah, I've had a small number of people go to past lives on other planets oh my gosh, I interviewed somebody this week who remembers a past life on another planet where they were dying and their planet was visited by the greys, I think it was which was for their planet. They knew about the greys and they had contact with them maybe an embassy and diplomatic, you know all that kind of thing and the greys were looking for people to recruit them to go on a special job for them which was to incarnate as a human, and then it would be part of their. I don't know if you say job or their mission was that they would be somebody who's adopted, abducted, and so they remember volunteering for that work, to work for the greys to incarnate as a human and help the greys in what they're doing. And they said that that set of grays were working to raise spirituality on the planet and to kind of connect everybody together in this spiritual consciousness kind of thing.

Simon:

I suppose some people might call it moving to 5D or something like that. Sure, those greys. And then there might be another set of greys who aren't so nice and doing other things, and then there's, you know, they talk about the Nordics and the tall whites and all these other things start showing up. But I'm not sure about this Federation thing and it sounds too Star Trek to me. It sounds so Star Trek trek.

Frank:

We talked to someone who channels the, the galactic federation, and I told her and she agreed I'm like maybe I'd be more like into this if they just called themselves something else, because that is that is. That sounds super made up, I'm sorry. And she was like I know it sounds weird, but so many people talk about it yeah that's. It's very funny.

Lauren:

Yeah, wow, that's crazy, though, going to a past life regression like let me, let me figure out what's wrong with my tummy, or like why am I so like stuck in this pattern, and then realizing like I was an?

Frank:

alien. Oh, I'm a Lumerian who's been visited by the greys and I volunteered to be abducted. Yes, yes.

Lauren:

That was my past life.

Frank:

I know that's amazing, oh man.

Lauren:

Great stories.

Frank:

So cool, well okay, I guess we should wrap it up a little bit here. So cool, well okay, I guess we should wrap it up a little bit here. Um, simon, uh, can you give everybody your plugs and then tell them, like, where to get your books and and what your podcasts are?

Simon:

yeah, so the book is verified near-death experiences. That's on amazon. Get it on kindle paperback audiobook and the podcasts are. Is it that side or that side Our Paranormal Afterlife? And the other one is called Alien UFO Podcast. My website is pastliveshypnosiscouk and people can go on there and go into my calendar and book a time and I'll do a 20-minute call with them free of charge to discuss past life regression and what they might want to achieve by doing it.

Frank:

That's fantastic. That's so cool. Yeah, simon, thank you so much for spending time with us today and sharing your stories and your incredible skill set, which we just got a glimpse of, but I'm sold.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

And yeah, good luck with the book and the upcoming book and we'll talk to you soon. Let us know when the new book comes out and we'll have you back on so you can you can pitch it.

Simon:

Yeah, yeah, definitely Okay. It's been really good talking to you.

Frank:

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