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082: Big Dolphin Energy // with Nick Musica

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Nick Musica’s journey from digital marketer to animal communicator began with an unexpected message from a psychic: “You can talk to animals, and it’s going to be easy for you.” From that moment, synchronicities started to align, and countless subtle signs pointed toward a hidden gift. Nick describes receiving animal messages as a quiet shift in awareness, like noticing a change in wind while standing still.

Through stories like his conversation with a dolphin named Liz—who revealed grief over being separated from her family, not her captivity—Nick shows how animal communication often uncovers truths about both animals and their humans. A seemingly misbehaving Chihuahua, for example, was mirroring its owner’s frustration and guiding her toward a more fulfilling path. Whether you’re curious about your pet’s inner world or ready to explore your own intuitive abilities, Nick’s insights offer a powerful reminder: you don’t need the “perfect” spiritual path—just the willingness to start.

To learn more about Nick or to book a session with him:

Visit: NickMusica.com

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Lauren:

Hi kings and queens of the spirit realm. In today's episode we talked to Nick Musica, an animal communicator and intuitive development coach. We talked about animal energy, talking to a dolphin and Frank's love of cats. I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank:

And I am not a fan of cats.

Lauren:

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition, and this is episode 82 of Claire Voyaging. Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging hello friends, hello kings and queens, how you doing today, we hope you're well you feeling good, frank.

Frank:

I'm feeling great.

Lauren:

Eight percent, lauren okay, we had some. We had some technical stuff with our guest and we're so sorry to nick, it's my fault because I didn't have my computer charged and I'll never hear the end of it from sweet frank over here I'm so nice it we he kept dropping out and we have like, we're like so sorry, nick, so that happens. You know it's okay. To someone like me hey, maybe I should seek out ADHD medication. Say no more.

Frank:

I have a question for everybody how do you guys find out about psychic fairs and psychic events occurring in your town? Let me know, is there a master newsletter or something? Just a?

Lauren:

psychic newsletter, the one I think it's called Google.

Frank:

Yeah, is it just me not looking?

Lauren:

Because we'd like to start going to them.

Frank:

Look, new town, town, new vibes. We're finally settled, settled into a point where, like, we can start doing things, which is kind of cool. Yeah, uh, yeah, we're gonna get some coffee with our pal nick now, who you're gonna hear from in just a second.

Lauren:

It's gonna be great we're gonna have new services to offer soon, so joining the psychic fair, I feel like that's.

Frank:

That's for us we are gonna have new services to offer soon.

Lauren:

Right, Right Right.

Frank:

Frankie. And guess what? We decided that once Frankie, once we get the Frankie, rakey, frankie.

Lauren:

Frankie, rakey, frankie.

Frank:

We're going to be operating under the Claire Voyaging umbrella, so our website's going to have some services to offer and hopefully day instead of just. And Lauren's got a thing coming up too.

Lauren:

I got a workshop coming up soon.

Frank:

We got different things.

Lauren:

I think maybe it'll be ready to announce in like a week or two.

Frank:

Oh yeah, let's announce it then. Stay tuned. This is kind of announcing.

Lauren:

No, it's not announcing. Oh, okay, I will. Okay, fine, I will have a workshop coming up. So, okay, fine, I will have a workshop coming up. So keep your ears and eyes open and your hands and arms inside the cart, because this is the wildest ride in the wilderness, anyway, I think we're obsessed with that ride.

Frank:

Well, who isn't? If you've been on it, you'll like it.

Lauren:

And if you're on our Patreon you'll see a little blurb of us doing that, oh, that's right we have recently done that. Yes, it's part of our. It's part of our language here in this house.

Frank:

This is our love language.

Lauren:

Yeah, big thunder mountain yeah, guys, this was a great conversation with nick, all technical problems aside you won't know about, about the technical issues you will never know, you know what?

Frank:

because poppy fixed it over.

Lauren:

Here we're just telling you the little behind the scenes, little dish yeah but he is fantastic. He's so cool to talk to and I think it was so interesting to hear his his take on how he communicates with animals, so I hope you enjoy. I feel like it's time to play it.

Frank:

Might be time to take it to the stars.

Lauren:

Take it to the moon, nick. Thank you so much for joining us today. On Claire Voyaging, we're excited to talk to you. Can you give us a little backstory on what got you into this work and, yeah, how you got here?

Nick:

Yeah, yeah, and thanks for having me on, so it's funny, we were just chatting. Before you hit the record button. We're both in Carlsbad, yes, and this started you know this version of it, shall we say started. The animal showing up started in Carl's bed. About, say, two and a half years ago, my wife and I went to the psychic fair off of I think it was off of Palomar, and we walked around the show floor, didn't really see anyone that was really attracting us to sit down with them, see anyone that was really attracting us to sit down with them. And then we approached the short the the floor from the opposite direction and it was like she wasn't there when we were walking in the one direction. But you know, when we turned it was like, oh my god, there's this big sign that says medium adalita, psychic medium. And you know, I I have been to psychics since age 17, 18, 18. But I've never been to a medium and it just wasn't a thing for me.

Nick:

So, I was like, for whatever reason, I felt like she would be good for my wife I don't know and I said, hey, Jill, what do you think of her? And my wife said that sounds great, but you're going to go first, and so I sat down.

Nick:

Yeah, yeah, right. And so I sat down. Yeah, yeah, right. And so I sat down for 15 minutes and I'm thinking 15 minutes in the chair, 15 minutes waiting, and then I'm looking forward to hearing what happens with my wife from this. But I sit down and Adelita starts by drawing this heart and she says this is either a formal romantic relationship or it's an animal. And she circles animal and then she says you did too much and it was my cat. It was my cat, henry, coming through. He was 22 years old when he passed the last two years of his life, ages 20, 21,. We were going back and forth to the vet a lot, a lot. You're looking to ease the symptoms of old age. There's nothing to solve, but you know but what can?

Nick:

we do Right.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Nick:

And you know there's multiple times he's walking out of, out of the veterinary hospital, clinic office, whatever we want to call it with, like this lump on his back, you know, like Quasimodo, cause he's he's dehydrated and that's how you would, you know, hydrate a cat, um, and there was a bunch of things we're checking, whatever we could for you know the symptoms, to try to ease ease what he was, uh, what he was feeling.

Nick:

So the, the phrase you did too much was a was a perfect summary and and as my reality of summary and and as my reality of you know, the situation is fast forwarding to my belief system, because I sat down going like I'll be a good player, and then I can't wait to get you know, and then I can't wait to hear you know she's continuing to do her thing and she says so. Now my guides are showing me Dr Doolittle, they're showing me that you can talk to animals and it's going to be easy for you, and I thought, oh, yeah, that's that's, that's totally true, uh, and I had no reason to think that'd be true. Um, you know, 10 minutes prior, 10 minutes prior, I would have just like called you know, you know, dismissed it and went on with my day. But yeah, you know, as I'm chatting with this young lady, I'm like, oh, like that's. I don't know when something lands.

Nick:

And it's true, you're like, yeah, that's right, right yeah, yeah, yeah and you know, and I just saw her at a, at a psychic fair, a couple, a couple a couple days ago, um, we were both vendors there. This time it was, it was cool and and she, uh, she's like you know I, I I was still she's like I don't. I don't remember all of my, all my sessions, but I remember the one with you and you gave me this look when I said that and I said really yeah, I said I want to explain the look.

Nick:

I said you know, and largely when I got on, when I'm telling the story, it's I stopped there with. You know it landed is true. That and that is true, that was the emotional feel I got. You know this feeling of what it is. But I said I want to tell you the other things that were in my brain, which was just so. I met her in March and the September before my wife and I are out with a friend who had a healing center in Colorado. Out with a friend who had a healing center in Colorado and for whatever reason we're on the topic of the healing center and she had a dog and she had this animal communicator come in to do a reading for the dog and I'm like, what's an animal communicator? What is that? And she goes.

Nick:

It's like a but for animals, and I was like that's a thing, like that's crazy, that's that's. I had no idea, no clue, just a few months prior, right. And so I get, I get this, this book, this animal communication book, and I'm like obsessing about this book, right, I'm just like having such a good time with all the stories, and so like for months I'm just obsessing about this book. And that was September and in August prior this book, and that was september and in august prior. So now we're like going three or five months, six months back, um, I had mike, the carpet guy come over, who he's been here before to clean the carpets and my job is to get cat one into this bathroom and cat two into this bathroom and our little girl ninja, she got a signal of something going on.

Nick:

She doesn't like, she doesn't like my shit, and and um, and so now she's hiding and it's hard to find her. And Mike comes over and I'm stressing about it and I finally get her and there's this Ferris Bueller moment, like she's coming up the stairs and I'm going down the stairs and her eyes meet Right and and I get ahold of her and I'm supporting her little body with my forearm and I'm walking her down the stairs and holding her by the neck and supporting a little body with the forearm and she reacts. Uh, because I'm stressed, it's a stressful situation, so she reacts. Right, she bites my index finger. Long story short, I go. I end up in the hospital for four days because I have a bone infection in my finger.

Nick:

Oh my gosh, she really did something yeah, yeah, yeah, like I was sweating over the sink, bleeding over the sink, and I'm thinking I'm pretty sure this is how passing out feels oh, my god, I didn't, I didn't, there's no passing out.

Nick:

So, like when she said you know, and you're going to talk to animals and it's going to be easy for you, I'm like man, man, like I've been, like that makes sense, emotionally it makes sense. And if you only knew about me obsessing about this book, telling everyone and no one else is excited about it, I'm the only one excited. And and then I'm like, oh yeah, good for you.

Nick:

Animal communicator, like like way to go, um, you know, getting bitten by your own cat and ending up in the hospital because you didn't, because you didn't pick up the signals, uh right, yeah and you know, and medicine comes in many forms you know, when I was in the hospitals right off the five here in uh, encinitas, uh, and I'm just watching the traffic going up and down the five for four days, right, I'm like what the hell am I doing in here? Like why, why am I here watching everyone going to all the places that I'm imagining them going to? Uh, right, you know, and so that was there, was there was some reckoning that that that I had, you know, sitting there watching all the people going to all the places in my imagination and wondering what you know, like what, why am I? Why am I sitting here? So there's a few things that I would play.

Nick:

When she's like talk to animals, it's going to be easy for you, I was like, yeah, this is hilarious as well. So, yeah, so that was the start of it, right. And so she said it'll be easy for you. So I go home and I was like, well, I'll just do my typical meditation that I do.

Nick:

And I'll just find my living cat, chucky, easy right, and so I sit down and I do my meditation. I just I just try to find him and I see this big, bright light suddenly. It's a type of light you would associate like spirit guides or angels or some high level being, and I just missed it. I was like no, my cat poops in a box and sometimes on the floor, not a high level of beings. That's like no, and so I call her, I get in a point with her and I call her, I go easy, like this isn't even working and her feedback was well, you're expecting things to show up in very specific ways and that is not how this works you get. You get to be the open channel. What you get is what you get.

Nick:

Okay, yeah, but I decided to give it a second shot and I buy more animal communication books and I get a couple sessions with animal communicators, because, as much as I feel like I can do this right, like I'm totally firm about it, but I have no idea what it looks like, I don't know how to do it. Um and and, as I'm about to get onto a zoom you know a zoom meeting like this with an animal communicator for a session, to get to get myself a session. I get up from my dining room table and I get this flash of um, a scene out of return of the jedi, and I see the ghost of obi-wan and yoda from the end of the movie right, and I was like, oh, this is this, is this is coming from chucky? I know it is and he's showing me this student teacher relationship and the crazy part about it is that he's the teacher and I'm the student here and you just, you just know what it is when it shows up.

Nick:

Right. And now I'm thinking about that big bright light, which was the introduction that I just completely blew off, cause, cause, how could this little cat that poops in a box I like, how could that possibly be Right? And then I get on the line with the animal communicator and she goes you're here to talk about chucky, uh-huh, do you know who he is? To you. And I was like, yeah, he just did, and now we're talking about that and how he's here to open me up and and and, and. So that was, that was the beginning of it all, yeah oh my gosh you.

Frank:

You did a couple things that are close to my heart just now and, believe it or not, it's definitely not cats. You, you tied in. You have a couple of origin stories. You got some star Wars in there, a little Spider-Man. You got bit by a cat and then got cat powers. I mean, I'm a I'm already a huge fan of your, your origin story.

Nick:

It's very cinematic.

Lauren:

We told our son he's a big Spider-Man fan.

Frank:

Yeah, oh, that's so cool.

Nick:

Okay, so don't take the cat's head and like a stapler and be like but I want to do that too. Like, don't do that.

Frank:

They will oblige. Oh my gosh, when was the first time when you like, actually had, like I don't know how it presents for you, I want to say a conversation with one of your cats?

Nick:

Yeah, when you're cats, yeah, so, so things started to open up for me, uh, and so, like the the random, the random, uh, we'll call it acknowledgement from the dog at home depot that I smiled at, and then you get this energetic connection back and you're like, oh, that's so, that's how this works now. Okay, um, and and the and the dolphin in mexico, and like Just, things started to stack up.

Lauren:

Wait, wait, wait.

Frank:

This is.

Lauren:

I love dolphins.

Frank:

Everyone's going to have to stand by and let Lauren talk for 30 minutes now.

Lauren:

Say more about the dolphin in Mexico. I asked someone one time one of our guests if she could hear dolphin thoughts because she lives on a boat. And Frank kind of made fun of me. But please, please, tell me.

Nick:

Yeah, so this was, I think. I think we went there in the following July and so not too far after COVID. We didn't go anywhere for a long time, so this was our first time getting on a plane and going someplace for fun, for vacation, after COVID, right, and so we're like kids in the candy store. You could do two things in Cabo you can either drink your face off or you can like be a tourist and spend way too much money on activities, right, and so we were the latter, yeah, and you know, boats and snorkeling and camels, and there's an opportunity to go swim with dolphin in tanks like SeaWorld, and my relationship with dolphin has been open ocean surfing type of thing. That's right, and I never like seeing animals in cages. I get there's a point, but it doesn't feel good for me. You know, ideally they're temporarily and find a home, and so those things are revolving in my brain and and we, finally, we, finally go, yeah, we'll, we'll go, we'll, we'll go there. And when we're there, there's a, there's a time over on, like this little ledge out of the deep water and the trainer is at the head of of Liz the dolphin, just feeding her fish, bribing her to stay put and do the thing with her tail and whatever, whatever she's doing Right, and there's six, totally six people in our group One, two, three on one side of her, on her left-hand side, and there's one, two and for whatever reason. I thought, well, let me just see, let me see if Liz the dolphin is game to play. And and I was like, well, let me just find her. And I felt the connection. And then I felt this like overwhelming feeling of sad. And now I'm thinking it's because you live in a cage, right, like I thought this is yeah, this is why I didn't want to come. This is what it is.

Nick:

But here's the thing, going back to what Adelita said, you get to be the open channel and part of that is not your narrative. I don't get to write your story, lauren. I don't get to write your story. If I want to know how you feel, I get to ask you why. And so that's what I did. I said so why sad? After I recognized I was inserting my own story, what I heard back was family. Then that was it. Connection's gone, it's over. Afterwards I went to my wife and I said hey, joel, I need to validate some information. I went to the trainers and I said we had such a great time with Liz the dolphin, curious what her background is. Mom, dad, siblings, what's going on with this little dolphin dolphin? And yeah, I was told boom, dad's off the planet and I'm tracking the conversation like where, where's where? What's the thing that's important here? It's not that what about mom?

Nick:

or or siblings? Oh, yeah, yeah, mom. Mom and her sister are right over there, mom and her sister are right over there, no, in the other pool. Oh, the pool that's separated by a floor-free concrete wall from the pool that she lives in, oh man.

Lauren:

No no.

Nick:

Right and mom and sibling are over there. Well, how long is why? And how long? Well, because when mom had the second baby, baby lista wanted attention from mom because she was two but mom had to feed baby. So we took mom and the baby and put them in the other pool, and that was three years ago. This is five oh god right.

Nick:

So so imagine imagine living in a condo. Townhome. Situation, right? You share a wall with loved ones. You can never walk out the front door of your place into the front door of their place, but you know they live there. That was her situation. What a drag, Right?

Nick:

So the family said, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, right, so it had nothing to do with her living in this pool and a cage. Like I thought about it, it was her situation from her perspective. You know the reality of her perspective, which is what this is all about.

Lauren:

Wow, oh my God, that that would be such difficult information to have and then not be like she's sad. Liz is sad, please.

Frank:

Please, yeah, did you like? Like how open are you? Were you like? By the way, I talked to dolphins and like cause, not everyone's going to take that.

Nick:

Well, you know, I, I, I'm way more open to talk talking about it now, for, obviously, and at the time, I'm trying to figure out the world, which makes sense and what's appropriate for conversations, and then and and I don't, I mean, I would imagine, going back now I would try to feel like the situation a little better and go how productive will this be? What is this? Have a chance of being productive, right.

Nick:

And to get my step done, but it did feel like what's the point of having this information If something can't happen from this, if something productive can't happen, right.

Nick:

so yeah I heard about dolphin energy, reading books or talking to someone. I don't remember how it happened, but I'm and I and I thought, like that's not what I got from liz I got. I didn't get this exciting feeling from her, I got the sad feeling, right and um. And so I I found her the next day.

Nick:

I woke up early and I tuned in with her and the conversation that I had with her was I mean, you, I understand your situation and there's a real opportunity to be an ambassador between animals and humans, and that there's a lot of purpose in that, because people, people really need to be woken up to these things. And when I thought the word purpose, I felt this little dolphin just come alive with all this energy like she didn't have before, and I thought, oh, that is how you can make a difference. It doesn't have to feel like a parlor trick, it doesn't have to feel like it's not productive. There is something that you can change, even in situations that are not ideal. So that was, that was learning for me and for her. It was super cool.

Lauren:

That'd be I'm too. I'm too like emotional for, for, for for dolphin depression. Sweet little Liz. Oh, my gosh.

Frank:

So, from there, what was next in your journey? Like, what was so? How did you? What did you decide to do after that?

Nick:

Yeah, so I would. I mean so those types of things would show up. I was, um, I volunteered at a, at a horse sanctuary, for about nine months, and that was amazing. Um and then, um, it was super cool. It was super cool. Um and then, and then one day a buddy of mine goes, so do you think you could do this for other people? And I thought, I don't know no idea. And so I went on. I went on to next door, um, you know, which is, you know, facebook ish, but but not friends. They're strangers. Same conversations, different, different people. People, same conversation same rage sometimes.

Nick:

Yeah, people yelling about stuff, yeah, yeah yeah, let me tell you why I'm unhappy about a thing. Um, and I went on there and I said hi, my name is nick music. I'm a animal communicator. That means I psychically talk with animals. Uh, click here for free 15 minutes, let's see if this is going to work or not. And then I started to see, you know, like this very it wasn't political, but the same dynamics that you would see. You know, like this guy sucks no, this guy's great. No, this guy sucks. No, this guy's great. Right, I started to see that, but I created it this time, you know, like, this is crazy. No, this is awesome, this is crazy, this is awesome, this is crazy. What is this for real? Now, you should do this. So I started to see this. I'm like what did I start?

Lauren:

what did I just do?

Nick:

right. And so I'm having that feeling of oh god, and at the same time I have this I have a browser window open and and I'm capturing the, the data in um, the form submission in a google sheet, and so I'm I'm just I'm really not waiting to see if someone's going to submit, but I have it open, and then I see the first row fill up with with a woman's first name, last name, name of the animal, age of the animal, you know, basic information, three questions, yeah, and I feel her come through and I'm like, oh, this is going to work, this is going to happen.

Nick:

This will be fine, this will be fine, but I still don't know, right. But what I realized is after is that that was the intention of her wanting to meet, wanting me to talk with her animal. That's what I was picking up, right. And so after 15, 20 minutes, whatever it was that I was talking with this young lady no-transcript. Hey, that was great, thanks, I'd go. Uh, I mean, maybe, I mean, people say nice things all the time, but but she's offering up her friend group, right? She's saying I'm gonna send people to you. That's different. I was like, oh, that's, that's, that's what I needed to hear first time out of the gate. So that was it. And now we're off to the races wow, whoa, oh my gosh.

Lauren:

Like the first person who's like first?

Nick:

person. Yeah, and the right, the right feedback, like I got. I personally got what I needed to hear to go let's do this that's so cool quick sub question when you use a term like off to the races, are horses offended?

Frank:

it's hilarious, I don't know okay, we'll follow up later on that one how do horses feel about that? Oh my, goodness are our horses like woke?

Nick:

I think they would. I think they would feel confused, like we're the ones off in the races. What?

Lauren:

do you think you're doing?

Frank:

so when you said that you feel, um, you were looking at your spreadsheet and you felt, you felt her come through, the intention and the one yeah, for this need like what. What does that feel like? Is it just, is it just emotional for you or is it? There's some other sense to it?

Nick:

no, no. So imagine if you're standing outside and you're not moving. You're in a field of sorts at the beach. You're at the beach here in Carlsbad, right, and you're just chilling out, looking over the railing, watching the water and all of a sudden, because you're quiet and nothing's's distracting you, you can feel when the wind shifts right and it's just a sudden it's, it's just not blowing from this direction anymore. It's now blowing from this direction and you just pick it up. But if you were walking, you wouldn't pick it up. If you were talking with someone, you'd be involved in something else. But there's this shift that happens, and it's that subtle shift where you go. Oh, that's, there's something going on. What now? What is going on? And so that subtle shift in the wind, shall we call it, is what came through when the woman submitted.

Frank:

That's really cool. I mean, so much of psychism is like being still you know and and we always talk about it like like paying attention to subtle shifts and just being open and available to that.

Nick:

Yeah, yeah, you know. So I chat with animals and I work with people on their intuition and do some other coaching, and 80% of all that work is really working on self, because you can't help anyone else if you're not willing to like step into things that you're going to get dirty and right, like make yourself feel uncomfortable and work through those things. Treat yourself well, eat well, sleep well, like you. If you're not doing those things, you got nothing to offer anyone else yeah right, yeah I mean even you.

Frank:

Just talking about the story of like posting on next door, I felt a a little bit of like oh no, you're out there now.

Nick:

Yeah, I do know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, Cause you know, you know I've been. I've been in the SEO digital marketing world since 2003 at least, and and as I hit that post, you know, my internal narrative again is oh shit, Like if I say this, will people still pay me for that?

Lauren:

Yeah, oh yeah.

Nick:

And that's one of the things I had to get over and go. Well, that's not part of this. It's just I can make it as much of a part of it as I want to. Also, it's no part of this. It doesn't belong here, right yeah?

Lauren:

It's funny because we talk about like I mean, frank is learning Reiki and I learned Reiki and then gave him his first two placements.

Frank:

I was riding her coattails for a while she's a Reiki master and she was like I'll tune you. I'm like sure, whatever. And like now I'm like you know, I do this with the kids sometimes to help them fall asleep. But now I'm like, okay, I'm, I'm actually going to be a practitioner myself.

Lauren:

So I'm, I'm now think I want to be like a one-on-one practitioner and he's like that actually sounds kind of great. So anyway, but it's funny because just what you said, like we're artists, creatives and you know filmmakers, and it's funny how we had this. Like when I first learned Reiki, I was like, does this mean I can't do the other stuff If I do Reiki, can I not like do you know writing or filming?

Frank:

It's fart jokes, yeah, yeah.

Lauren:

And it is like you can do all of it. It can be, you can make it what you want and yeah, that just resonated what you said.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah, perfect. Fart jokes hit SEO real well these days. That's a hot topic, that is a hot topic.

Nick:

It's a universal thing.

Lauren:

I encourage it. It's all with Reiki too.

Frank:

Are you still in the SEO world? I am.

Nick:

I am. But yeah, you know, a lot of focus is put on this work and getting out there and having these conversations.

Lauren:

Yeah, yeah, so okay, when you now I've heard like animal communicators and I know like for everybody information comes in in different ways. Like you know, I'm clairaudient or I'm clairvoyant or whatever, how, now that you're like in it, how does information come through for you? Do you hear like words?

Nick:

Yeah, so you just like know. Sometimes. So let's back up to the aspects of the animal, and when I say animal, we're including that Right. A lot of people go oh look at all the animals.

Nick:

You're one dude. Just because you have thumbs and credit cards doesn't make you anything less than that. Let's don't separate. That's how problems get started Right there's there's the higher self, there's the personality and there's the body, and so those are the aspects of the animal that are available for communicating in one way or another.

Nick:

The ways those aspects may show, for me specifically, is hearing things. It me specifically, is hearing things. It's funny, hearing things, seeing things and feeling things largely is how it shows up. So hearing things, sometimes it's sort of in a voice I don't recognize. Maybe it's a version of my own, I don't really know, but I'll hear something. Sometimes it'll be of in a voice I don't recognize. Maybe it's a version of my own, I don't really know, but I'll hear something. Sometimes it'll be the client's voice, the human that I'll hear Sometimes I'll hear this was a young lady who was in I think she was in New York and when her dog came through it had this boston accent and like and like the attitude to go with it too.

Nick:

Like no shit, like like I was like okay, I'll pay attention, got it okay, okay, um and um. And so when I got her on the line and I started to just, you know, shape the framework of, of the information for her. I said so before we get started, your dog, your dog, talked with a Boston accent. Does that mean anything to you? And she said well, you know, I have spent time in Boston. I'm like so, you know, you know the attitude of the people you like, you know that feeling. She's like oh yeah, I know it Right, so it was relevant for her, so it was cool, how like to to have her now imagine this information coming through with that attitude, with that, you know, straightforwardness, cause that's how the dog presented it was. It was great.

Frank:

There is like a social personality to that accent, so like that's very funny.

Lauren:

That's very funny. That's very funny that would be helpful, I got a number.

Nick:

You like apples? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was, it was great, it was, it was so much fun, uh, but yeah, so typically that seeing and hearing and feeling is how it shows up.

Nick:

Like it like sometimes when people show up, like it just happened at the psychic fair this weekend like when someone shows up and it's very emotional for them, like it hit just like with Liz the dolphin like it hits me and I'm just like, oh my God, like I feel a way for a moment and then it has to flush out of my body and then I'm like this is a very emotional thing for you, lauren, and you're like right, even if you weren't emotional again with it, there's a recognition of that emotion.

Lauren:

Do you get information about, like do they tell you information about their past lives, or like anything like that? Or is it what is currently happening, like here's why I am sick or here's why I feel anxious?

Nick:

Yeah, you know I would love to get into the Akashic records and I think that's the thing I'll step into, but right now it's very much this life and this home Like a lot of folks want to go. Where did the animal come from? Let me know? And very few times it's been relevant. There is one time it was relevant was because the young lady I was talking to she would do something that triggered the animal with the PTSD the animal had from the prior home and she's like I don't understand. Like why does the dog go under the table and won't go outside when I open the door and most animals will go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talk about this home, let's talk about the now, but for this one it was she's doing the behavior she's exhibiting.

Nick:

even though it's not aggressive there's no malintent it looks like the prior behavior that didn't work for this animal, like the prior behavior that that didn't work for this animal, and so that was that was relevant for her relationship with this animal in this home, and so that's why that came up.

Lauren:

Yeah, oh wow. Stop stop doing whatever is triggering that. That's right.

Nick:

Yeah, but I do get, and this is like you know, I'll get folks coming to me and and a lot folks they have these feelings of my dog pass. I feel like I have this connection and and and and. So sometimes it's that type of conversation that shows up and validating folks and their feelings on things and they feel better. It's a real thing for a lot of people and I recognize that as helpful. And I recognize that as helpful. And the ones where I get off the line and I'm like oh man, from a skeptical perspective, because I am, I like to hear the details of things, right.

Nick:

And so there was a young lady like Australia. I want to say I'm big in Australia. I'm not, but it feels that way. When people from Australia show up, you're like I'm big in Australia, yeah, big deal. I'm not, but it feels that way. When people from Australia show up, you're like I'm big in Australia, yeah. But I had a young lady from Australia show up and her question I asked folks for three questions. One of her questions was if I get a new couch, will the cat pee on the couch like it did the old?

Frank:

couch.

Nick:

And my typical process for a while has been talk with the animal on Wednesday, debrief with the human on a Friday, and so I'll tune into the animal and I'll just spreadsheet away and take notes and take notes and take notes. And one of the things that I took note on was it was table comma glass, was the note that I took. So when she gets on the line, I'm going through the notes and I'm like you got to help me out with this one. I don't know if there's a table on a glass, I don't know if it's a glass table, I don't know what it is, but what I heard was table comma glass and she goes. Well, I broke up with a boyfriend about a year ago. I got rid of everything that was his. The one thing that I've been holding onto and I've been meaning to get rid of it is this glass table and I was like, oh, this is great, like this, this is super cool when this happens.

Frank:

And.

Nick:

I said you know I don't, I can't guarantee no one. Can you know? People are people, they do people things. Dogs doy things, dogs do dog things. Cats do cat things. Will the cat pee on the couch? I don't know, but I would highly suggest getting rid of that glass table before you get this new couch, and also let's talk about the couch that the cat peed on you had this when your boyfriend was there, Did you guys sit on the couch at night watching TV?

Nick:

Was it you? Was it him? She's like he would sprawl out on this couch. I was relegated to this little chair off to the side of it.

Lauren:

Oh wow, oh my gosh.

Nick:

Okay. So there's this modeling behavior of like, get this out of that, get him fully out of the house, and here's how we're going to do that. I will use everything at my disposal. I will pee on this couch Right. So get rid of the table, then get the couch.

Lauren:

I feel like our cat Gigi, probably had a lot of things to say to you. You were so such a not a cat person can I the?

Frank:

truth is they made me not a cat person. I was a fine animal person. I love animals and I was like oh, what are these guys doing? My cat was a just a person. I love animals and I was like oh, what are these guys?

Lauren:

doing. My cat was just a nuisance. He was so cute and he had the best personality but he would pee on my stuff, like before Frank and I even got together. He just like peed on everything all the time. And Frank would be like why do people have have cats? And then we had these cats for like 10 more years. They lived one of them, he lived till he was 17, the other one lived till she was 19 and then the other one lived till she was 20 and frank just much to frank's dismay, like he's super allergic. But it's pretty funny.

Frank:

We we should have I need a disclaimer of nick, that's just my. I treated them very nicely. I, I did. I wouldn't. When lauren was pregnant I did all their boxes all the time. I had a schedule. It was very. It was spick and span there, um, but yeah, I think you know, because before we got there was a little bit of upheaval in your life, so maybe I'm sure I mean from my experience and I don't talk to animals the cats hold on to a lot of emotion.

Nick:

So, yeah, so let's talk about that, right, so?

Frank:

yeah.

Nick:

And so this, this is so. People come to me because of a 3d problem. Right, my, my cat's peeing on the couch. What, what happens if I get a new couch? Will it do it? Will that happen again? My dog's biting people, Can you tell them to stop, Right? So, generally speaking, people come to me for one of those behavioral type of problems and the conversation typically takes a right-hand turn and it's like hey, Lauren, so let's talk about the thing. Right? And you're like but I came to you because my cat was peeing on my bag, Nick. And I'm like, yeah, we're talking about that.

Lauren:

It's all happening.

Nick:

So here's the example. So young lady comes to me and she says my dog is biting people. I, I, I have people come over and this little chihuahua is just diving at their ankles. I can't, I don't, I can't bring people over anymore. The dog's biting their ankles. Tell the dog to stop doing that, all right? Well, my promise is I will have the conversation, I will ask the questions. I can't guarantee anyone's behavior changing, that's just. You can't tell someone to do the thing if they don't want to do the thing. It's not how this works. Any of this works. And I said but I'll have the conversation. And so I tune into this little chihuahua. And the chihuahua says you need to ask her about her job. Well, why? Because that's what has to change. Okay.

Nick:

So I get her on the line and she says did you talk to my dog? Did you tell him to stop biting people? Well, what did you talk about? What do you do for a living? I'm unemployed, you're not unemployed. How do you make money? Well, I'm you. Talk about what do you do for a living? I'm unemployed, you're not unemployed. How do you make money? Well, I'm a private driver. Ubers and limousines. How's that working out for you. Well, you know, my back is all banged up after about an hour or two driving around. It's very irritated and my doctor tells me I shouldn't even be driving. Oh, okay.

Lauren:

And I tell her what the dog says.

Nick:

And as I'm telling her what the dog said, I get this quick flash of roses. I go, what do you do with roses? And she says well, I paint roses on bosses and I give them away. Oh, this is fascinating. Let's take a look at these two pieces of information. One, and she comes in hot into this meeting Like she's. She's not a happy person and I'm like oh, right, how's this going to work?

Frank:

The ankle biting has to stop.

Nick:

That's what she's after yeah.

Nick:

Yeah, she's just not well, she's not self. And what's happening is the dog is going. I'm just going to show you who you are. It's a mirroring behavior with the dog. Wow, right, you're angry. I'm going to show you what angry looks like. Here we go, and so I tell her what's. You know what, what the dog says? And I go let's take a look at these two pieces of information. You know one? Uh, causing your pain brings you down, right, not a whole lot of benefit there. And then there's this other thing brings you up, and not only brings you up, but you give it away to other people and you bring them up too. So less of this thing over here and more of this thing over here. So that's, that was the and that's the advice from the dog. Right, I'm just seeing it and going. Here's what it all means.

Lauren:

Wow, did you ever hear from her again? I didn't but here's the cool thing about this one.

Nick:

It was like the next week, someone shows up and I was like, who is this? And I asked folks, how did you hear about me? And they mentioned a name that I was like that, who is this? And I asked folks like, how did you hear about me? Um, and, and they mentioned a name that I was like that's familiar, but I can't place it. And I go back into my, my spreadsheet, where I take the notes and I have everyone's information, and I was like, oh, that's the, that's the chihuahua lady with the with the bitey dog. Oh, I had no idea. And so she obviously talked to someone and I don't know what her take on, was it? But someone was like that sounds cool, I'm going to go.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Nick:

And so, yeah, I got a referral out of it. So, okay, yeah, that's as good as a glowing review Right, that's right, that's right.

Lauren:

You know, like these animals when you hear these stories, like they're so wise, they're like picking up on this information that is so to the human, like, duh like, and it's, it's weird how the reaction, I don't know, like this dog is biting people's ankles because the energy probably in the house is not great it's angry yeah, that's right. That's so fascinating I.

Frank:

I actually have kind of a macro question related to that. Do all animals know that they can talk to you, or is it more of like, is it more of a um, I don't know? Is communication just like this, like universal thing that all things are doing all the time and it's just a matter of we are telling ourselves that, like, these things can't communicate with us?

Lauren:

Or like, yeah, if you tune into it, then you're like picking up almost like this, this flowing channel of information.

Nick:

I think it's all of those things. Yeah, I think all the things are communicating all the time, in whatever way they do it, and all the time may be too much. But, yes, right, I think, from their perspective, having someone who can communicate with them a human specifically, that's not typical. So they're like, oh, and now a human is part of this. That's cool.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Nick:

And the reality of it is, I think we all have something available to us, whether it's Reiki or mediumship, or animals or trees or people, I don't know but this is available for all of us in some way or another. It's just a matter of doing the work, um, and, and let things unfold and have it show up right. So here's here's for folks listening and they're like I don't know what that means and and I'm interested, but I don't, I'm not quite sure. Here's my basic framework, um, and, and I, and I sort of got it to some degree from a um, from a surfer in hawaii. So I go to hawaii, I get the surfing lesson from, uh, from a world champion he was. He lives on the island, and I get the surfing lesson and I think his name is uncle brian, who set up this, the surfing lesson, and he goes I got something for you. I'm like like okay, and he's like are you available? It picks up the phone Are you available? When can you be here? 30 minutes work for you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, 30 minutes, you'll see in 30 minutes.

Nick:

He's like you know who Sonny Garcia is. And I was like yeah, I know who Sonny is. Yeah, I mean, I go, I'm projecting my life in Hawaii, living out of a car with with a surfboard right, cause I'm like I would only want to surf the entire time I'm here, like what else would you possibly do? Yeah, although they just surf all the time and and I go. I bet you surf like all the time and he goes like I. I train every day, I'm in the gym, I'm on the mountain bike and when contests come, where the waves are good, I'm surfing. It's like, oh, okay, so there's training days and then there's game days. Okay, so in my world there's training days, meditation every day, and then there's game days, actually the times you talk with the animal. So that's the basic rhythm of getting this going is having a meditation practice and then the application of that vibration.

Lauren:

Oh, that's a great analogy.

Frank:

That's actually kind of awesome, yeah everyone's got to meditate more, it's just no matter what you do like, no matter what practice you're in, you just got to meditate more and get still and like find center yeah, the quiet that you talk about is so important that's it 100 yeah that's the secret, all of this it is it really?

Frank:

it really seems like it is. Yeah, especially now that I'm back in the phase of, like you know, being a student of learning, of learning Reiki, and I'm like I'm following someone else's you know um, like syllabus essentially of like how they, what their introduction to things were, and I'm just like, oh yeah, like everyone's talking about meditating again and we're just like we used to talk about meditating on the show all the time, like it was such a thing, and then we, like you know, get into the weeds and talk about other things, but at the foundation of it all, it really is just meditating.

Lauren:

Yeah, I love that.

Frank:

Let me ask you this have you noticed or sensed different communication styles between species? Like are all, like do all, do all the boston terriers have a boston accent. Put it that way um, I haven't.

Nick:

Well, here are the things that I have noticed like dolphin energies are very real thing. Like that very exciting energy is very real thing. Um, chihuahuas present, at least for me, the same way they do in 3d, like they are so expressive and I remember talking to a little, a little chihuahua and I'm like man, they're so expressive and so when you're, when the communication is happening, thoughts are going back and forth, right. So I'm hearing these things coming through and I'm taking notes and I and I think to myself, man, chihuahuas are so expressive and this little dog goes yeah, but I'm pretty okay, right, okay, yeah, you are okay talking to the personality you are pretty pretty little pup horses are extremely healing.

Nick:

That's what we've heard yeah absolutely, and that was that was my nine months with them. I'm like this is amazing, like it's therapeutic to be around you guys like all the time as I, as I'm cleaning up poop therapeutic, yeah, um, cats. Cats are like sort of like sneaky in this way, where you're like I'll connect with them. And then I'm like where are you? And it's like, well, like you feel the connection and you're like, but where are you? And it's like, oh, you're like you're sitting right here. How long have you been here?

Lauren:

That just feels so true, that's so funny.

Nick:

Dogs, not not recently, recently, but in the past I would see them like at this, at the back of a yard, by the fence, and they would. They would run up to have the conversation oh, what's the weirdest pet has is there.

Lauren:

Has there been a weird one that you've been asked to communicate with like like a salamander?

Nick:

You know no, Dogs and cats are the norm.

Lauren:

No one's bird or anything, not yet.

Nick:

Not yet.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Nick:

No, but my experience was talking with oh, this was a good one, oh, my goodness, I mean I've talked, talked to in my own experience, uh, the dog at home depot, that the dolphin snakes when I'm hiking I can, I can see the energy of the, of the trail that they create, that that was happening for years before your slytherin. Yeah, yeah, sort of that was happening for years before the animals actually showed up and I was like what is going on here? Oh, that's cool, yeah, yeah. And there was one morning this was amazing and this is like the when Adelita said you got to be, just be the open channel. What you get is what you get and how you get it is how you get it Right. And so there's this one morning. We're right off La Costa Ab. So if you guys know the geography, it's we're on the south side, the south side of La Costa, and we overlook, overlook the road, and then there's units on the other side and then there's the golf course, right.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Nick:

It's a lot of coyote activity on the golf course and one morning my wife wakes up like 4 am, our screen doors is the sliding glass doors, open screen doors there, and she gets out of bed and that wakes me up a little bit and she goes over to the door. I can see her and I'm half asleep and I'm like what is going on here? And then I started to hear it. I started to hear the coyotes and I was like, oh, that's a gorgeous sound. Yeah, that's cool. And then when I started I'm still looking at her but what I'm starting to see are these six little energetic bodies, blue and white, and when the coyotes would howl, getting to that, that that high pitch sound, I would see these bubbles coming off of these little bodies. I would see these bubbles coming off of these little bodies. I'm like this is amazing, this is unbelievable. I woke up at like six in the morning and I'm just sketching out this little thing waiting for her to wake up. I'm like this is what I saw last night. This was it.

Frank:

Do the other coyotes like? Do you think that they can see that too?

Nick:

Is it like a coyote smoke signal that everyone like responds to, or like a comic book? I don't, I mean I don't, uh, I'm gonna go with the no. But I think they're way more attuned to uh, the energy and that type of dynamic between them, way more than we are on a daily basis. I mean, I think we have to have to try, like we have, to get ourselves there. I think it's more natural for them.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah.

Lauren:

I love that you went to this psychic fair and now you're part of the psychic fair.

Frank:

You went as a skeptic and now it's true?

Lauren:

has your wife just been like well, this is, this is nick. Now like what a fun journey to just be, like I guess I hear animals and now I'm just doing this you know there's, there was an adjustment period in the house, for sure.

Nick:

Yeah, I had to adjust to what I'm going to say, how I'm going to say it, do I want to say it? Who do I say it to? Right, like and I remember her being when I was telling her this she's like you're going to tell people what and here's the part of it like it's, um, there was no getting away from it, there was no not doing it. My, my, my emotional health was when I wasn't, when I was like what do I do with this? When I was sort of looping around, like how do I express this thing and what is? I don't know? Uh, my mental health, my emotional health, was just not, wasn't going in the direction that I wanted to go in. Yeah, and then, once I started to act on it, uh, different, better, you know things, things start to change.

Frank:

Yeah, it's very funny because I found myself in the middle of this journey as well and that, um, sometimes you just, sometimes you just got to work with what's being given to you. You know, like, as someone who uh, tends to try and like, I want, I want some semblance of control over like what I do, some semblance of control over like what I do. Like I'm in a space right now where, like I kind of I must get into like Reiki work and my life before that where I was like doing corporate stuff. It wasn't, it wasn't good, it wasn't good for me and I did it for way too long and I'm still working through some of that. I don't want to call it trauma, because some people have, you know, more violent trauma than that. Mine is the trauma of extreme boredom, but yeah, and like, since making this transition, I'm like so much better and I don't know like it, it almost speaks towards that, like that soul contract stuff of just needing to work with that energy that's coming in.

Nick:

And I do believe that's what it is. You said yes, right Like you. You said yes, and now we're here, and so I'm going to have to hold you to that Right, like someone, someone's holding you to account, and now's the time to go. We waited a long time and now and now we're going and now we're going, now we're in it. But you're still not sure. So let's work on that part, Right? And you're like this is awful. It's like, well, if you just said yes, it wouldn't be awful. Just say yes.

Frank:

Yeah, exactly.

Lauren:

That's so true. It's hard Just say yes.

Frank:

It's hard. As a person, you want a. As a person, you want to like. You know you want to. Everyone wants to have, everyone wants to do the thing that we're told to do. On the Ted talks, like, oh yeah, I have a 10 year, I have a 50 year longterm goal and I'm going to retire by I'm 30. Cause everything's going to go exactly the way I planned, you know, and like as if nothing's going to happen, that's out of the plan in the middle of all that, and that you're not going to have like waning or different interests along the way. Yeah. Or that someday a dolphin is going to talk to you and you're going to be like well, how is this going to affect my rise in SEO and marketing?

Nick:

Yeah, I need to readjust this plan.

Frank:

I'm looking at my spreadsheet. I don't see dolphin anywhere in here. Like that's a big shift. It's a big shift to make.

Nick:

It's not fit between steps five and six.

Frank:

And, like Nick, I want to like you, you know I'm always wanting to like applaud people who like went with it and like tried it out and see where it went, and then like did the risky thing and like put it out online and and next door of all places next door the, the lion's den seemed like a good idea at the time, but, but it was.

Nick:

It was a great idea.

Lauren:

You got your group that you know started the whole thing.

Frank:

They were there, and that's another thing. That's another part of the lesson, right, like they were there waiting for you and had you not made that choice, they would not have found you and that means you were withholding you from them.

Lauren:

Yeah, your, your special magic.

Nick:

Yeah, you know, and I sort of went through this and I'd love to share, like a another animal story from, if we have time, from from, yeah, so I sort of went through this with, like SEO, like it's such a garbage industry. It's, it is. It has a checkered reputation for very, very good reasons, and I never really want to be a part of that circulation of voices. And I remember telling someone something like this and they said well, here's what you're doing, nick. If what you're saying is true and there is a checkered reputation and the folks who are willing to speak up are the ones who lack integrity, you're not giving anyone a choice. You're allowing that to happen by not stepping into it and saying the things you want to say. And I was like, oh don't, I don't get this conversation and and this person was right, and they were right, right, like, what shows up is what shows up, and if you're not part of the consideration set, then you're not at a choice point for anyone, right, and so same same thing with with the animals, like, and I had to step into that. Um, we were just chatting about you know that that 30-year plan that's going to go off without a hitch right never happens, right. And and there's this.

Nick:

There's this wonderful book by I think his name is to me I'm forgetting his first name, but his last name is to me T-O-M-M-E-Y, and it's. The book is called Kingdom of Play and in it he's talking about these little piglets that are being studied in this controlled environment. And the researchers are watching these little piglets run around and they're newborns, and he's running at full speed, and then they belly flop and then they get up and start running at full speed again. It's flat ground, it's you know environment, and they're like that was a mistake. And then they keep seeing the behavior. This is not. This is intentional. What are they doing? And then they keep seeing the behavior. This is intentional, what are they doing?

Nick:

And they came to the conclusion that these little piglets in this controlled environment are not experiencing what they would in the wild. In the wild there's trees, there's divots in the ground, there's places. They will fall. It's not a straightaway. They're not going to go 100 miles an hour. It will go at a certain pace, very fast, but then they're going to eat it. Right, they're going to trip and fall. And he's like they're planning on failure. They're planning on getting away from the predators and after they fail Right, they're tripping and falling and they're planning on getting up. That's the plan. They're actually working on it. And so when people are like spirit animal buffalo, lion, tiger- Sure.

Nick:

Also piglet, piglet they are. They are working a solution into the problem that is going to happen.

Lauren:

We don't do that.

Nick:

We go 30 years, a million dollars Awesome, let's do it Right.

Frank:

Yeah, that's so funny. The piglets are out there with the big tires doing the training, the high knees thing. You know the football players are doing that flopping, flopping in the mud and piglets on the on the monkey bars.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

That flopping flopping in the mud and piglets on the on the monkey bars. Yeah, that's wild, that is true. Like just for to have no obstructions in their way and to train for a fall and a get up.

Lauren:

That's I mean yeah, I guess I got piglet, energy but it's so funny because like that feels like opposite of I don't know, I guess positive, like manifestation or something, because if you're like I'm going, I'm going to fail at some point. Like it's almost like you're telling yourself you will, I'm having I just don't think about it that way.

Nick:

I think about it as like there's going to be like the shit's going to show up, right? I mean, the shit is largely the lessons, right that? We're here to that. We're here to that, we're here to learn. So I'd rather be on the right path, planning to get back up because that's, we're all gonna fall, we're all gonna trip and fall, we're all gonna have bad days, it's all gonna happen, right? Yeah it. For me, it seems to be the person who gets up the most tends to win for themselves. They're the ones still standing at the end of the day. There's the, they're the and, and sometimes there's nine people that start the day, and then there's one person at the end of the day because they chose to get up repeatedly, because because they're just resolved in in terms that right path.

Lauren:

One little piglet.

Nick:

One little piglet can change the world. It's true.

Frank:

I think it is the thing of like.

Frank:

you know, when we are trying to be adaptive to our environments, right, and we're trying to like, manifest what we want, you imagining like if something goes wrong, you feel like you're manifesting a problem yeah but then, at the same time, you look at people who, like, excel in sports and stuff and like you're, like you're talking about nick, like it's the, it's the training and the anticipation of an issue, and then the fact that you're going to get back up, and at what point, at what point, is a challenge, a hard stop versus the thing that, like, reinforces your, your vigor and like, that nuance is a is a difficult thing to navigate, right.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

And I don't have an answer for that, but I think, like an individual person might have to really assess what's? What's you pushing too hard for? Something that, like, you're trying to make happen that shouldn't happen, versus what you like. What's a road bump that's going to, like I said, trying to make happen that shouldn't happen, versus what you like. What's a road bump that's going to, like I said, like, make you stronger, because now you know this is right, yeah.

Nick:

That's great, yeah, perfect.

Frank:

But I think anticipating that, that, like potential, the speed bump is a great thing.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

That, that it's not you being like blindly positive, or what do we call you. It's not you being like blindly positive, or what do we call you?

Lauren:

A dangerously optimistic. I call myself dangerously optimistic sometimes.

Frank:

Like you are saying like okay.

Frank:

It'll be fine, everything will be fine, and I'm like well, what happens if this, like I plan ahead, sometimes to a detriment, right, and and like going through those things, going through like the how does this, if this happens and there's a high possibility of that happening you know of, uh, some like little hiccup, like how does that affect my optimism? Am I going to feel great about it still, and and and. If you want it enough and that hiccup doesn't affect your optimism, then like that's, that's just a beneficial challenge, that's the thing that makes you stronger, I think.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

But so animals?

Lauren:

piglets in the mud piglets flopping around.

Frank:

I love that they're saying move, move, move, get out people. That's how piglets talk. They're all army, they're drill sergeants and you wouldn't expect it let's go, people nick, yes, well before, I was going to have you like give all your pitches and your links and everything, but is there anything else you'd like to throw in?

Nick:

Yeah, you know, I would say for anyone, anyone who is still in the conversation, right, if you got this far in the, in the, in the recording, then you're here for a reason Like X. I don't think accidents are a thing, there's no. There's no such thing as coincidence, no such thing as accidents. Everything is very on purpose. Everything is intentional.

Nick:

And so if you got here, if the conversation is interesting, if animals are interesting, cool. If you're like I don't know, but what that guy said about Reiki, that's cool. If you're like I don't like any of these things, I want to go do yoga, great, perfect. But go find the thing. Go find the thing that's going to help you get down on this path and start to move on the path. It doesn't matter what it is and don't stress too much about it. Like, go into a crystal story. Like you're overwhelmed with what, what are all the crystals and the sizes and the shapes and the meanings of. Find the one you like. Like, just go for the one you like, right, and so same thing. There's so many disciplines, there's so many methodologies. Just start someplace.

Frank:

If this is, if this broad conversation is interesting, start someplace. I love that. It is true. It is such a good point because I'm sure, if I mean I mean you read when you, when you were told about like oh, you're going to be able to talk to animals, you picked up a bunch of books, but I mean I'm sure that helped with like some of the exposure, but did any of the thing you read in these, read in the books, like help you once you were like out in the field and like talking to animals?

Nick:

no, and maybe if I go back to them now, I can pick up some things and go, oh, that's, that would be a helpful technique, or what I imagine. That's true, but what those books served for me at the time was to be excited about this thing, like I was. I loved reading the stories. I loved it, uh, and I still do. Um, yeah, but, and that that was the benefit for me. Yeah, so, and really it's like, it's like, it's that, it's that um instinct of like, like. If you follow your instinct of like without any attachment, without any meaning, just like the joy of like. There's a lot to be said for that and, in hindsight, I can say that in hindsight I can go.

Lauren:

That's what those books were doing for me yeah, we like to say frank and I to say but are you jazzed about it? If you want to do something, does it light you up, are you jazzed? And then we're like, okay, I feel jazzed about this, let's do it.

Frank:

In a spiritual community, that that that like translates to follow your sacral yes or no. Yeah, but are you jazzed? Is the Frank and Lauren version? Yeah, hey, we could do this. Should we do this? We could, but are you jazzed? That's the whole thing. Awesome, that's cool, nick. Thank you so much for your time today, man. I really appreciate it. It was a great chat. Can you give everybody your plugs and tell them where to find you?

Nick:

Yeah, yeah yeah. You can find me at Nick Musica. That's N I C K M U S I C acom. Hit me up for an animal reading If you're interested in developing your intuition. I work with folks around that as well.

Frank:

Awesome. All right, man. Hey, we should. We'll probably see you at a psychic fair. We haven't, like, looked up any local ones. Did we just miss a big one, or?

Nick:

there was one in San Diego, though It'll be happening again in November so beautiful, that's a good time. Yeah, I'll send you guys the link and there's a bunch of shows on there. I'll tell you guys the link yeah, yeah Um amazing. Right down the street Do you do amazing? Right down the street do you guys drink coffee.

Lauren:

Do you like good coffee?

Nick:

yes, we do. Okay, we should go to meet up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, lofty coffee is like, it's like the place where people go for meetings and, like you know, oh, I haven't heard of that me neither. That's fun. Yeah, let's do it. Okay, let's do it.

Frank:

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