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088: Evolving an Intuition-Led Business // with Iva Svetliva

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Permission to grow doesn’t come with a playbook—it starts when you admit what’s no longer working and choose to rebuild from the inside out. We’re joined by intuitive guide and entrepreneur Iva Svetliva, who shares how she swapped algorithm-chasing for resonance, turned her website into a community hub, and created “inner ceremonies” that help founders reconnect to their own wisdom.

We explore the patterns that keep entrepreneurs stuck—fear of visibility, people-pleasing pricing, urgency over alignment—and how Iva’s co-creative approach helps clients access what’s already within them. She breaks down how to choose the “easy yes,” practice body-based discernment, and redefine success beyond hustle culture.

If you’re craving a business that actually feels like you—clearer messaging, offers with soul, and growth without burnout—this conversation is your permission slip to follow resonance over rules.

To learn more about Iva: 

https://mysticalheartco.group.app/about-community

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https://www.threads.com/@ivaoftheheart

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https://youtube.com/@ivaoftheheart?si=K4zU8ZQkxPjuUu76

Ways to walk together:

Inner Ceremony: Inner Self connection for healing & guidance

https://cal.com/svetliva/inner-ceremony

Spirit Baby Sanctuary: Empowered Motherhood

https://cal.com/svetliva/spirit-baby-sanctuary

EverBloom for Entrepreneurs: Authentic Business *Now enrolling Founding Members for EverBloom*

https://mysticalheartco.group.app/plan-subscription/checkout?plan=2a37bc54-43d2-4469-9d9b-f2ab2b2c7b5a

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Lauren:

Hey there, you wondrous creatures wrapped in beautiful moonlight. In today's episode, we caught up with friend of the show, Eva Svetleva. You might remember her from episode 54. Since then, she's taken a big leap in her work, evolving from mindset coaching into something more intuitive and energetically guided. We talk about what sparked that shift, how she helps entrepreneurs break out of old stories, and why authentic growth sometimes looks less like strategy and more like surrender. I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank:

I want you to know.

Lauren:

We stop it. We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition. And this is episode 88 of Claire Voyaging. Oh! Oh, we're dancing.

Frank:

Happy to come back.

Lauren:

Hello.

Frank:

How's it going?

Lauren:

Welcome in, friends. Hey, come on over the chair.

Frank:

Mikasa is two costs.

Lauren:

Grab your beverage, grab your french fries.

Frank:

You know what? This is the nice time for you to come here.

Lauren:

It's the perfect time. It's the right time. How's everyone liking our tarot card polls, by the way?

Frank:

Is that okay?

Lauren:

Do you like them?

Frank:

Hey, maybe a little inconsistent. That's okay.

Lauren:

We we realized we went in over our heads a little bit. We were doing two a week and we said, I uh we can't do this. We can't do it. We can't do it.

Frank:

You know what else doesn't help? A family stomach flu.

Lauren:

That'll do it.

Frank:

That happens sometimes.

Lauren:

That does. Well, I hope everyone is having a fantastic day today. We've got a great episode. Eva, Eva Svetleva reached out recently and she said, Hey, you know what? I've changed my offerings and I'd love to come chat with you guys. And I said, Come, come in, sister.

Frank:

And who are we? Who are we to say no to someone who says, I have grown? It's kind of like a whole thing, right?

Lauren:

Yeah. Like the whole thing is intuitive development and alignment and authenticity.

Frank:

So also you don't just say no to Eva.

Lauren:

You don't.

Frank:

When Eva says can I, you say yes.

Lauren:

You say, come on, sister.

Frank:

When Eva says, can you, you say yes.

Lauren:

And so I'd say, open the gate, let her out.

Frank:

Let's hit it. We are a go for Eva, Eva launch.

Lauren:

Enjoy Eva's Vedliva. Eva, we're so happy to have you back. You are just a ray of sunshine. Look at that smiling face. Um, okay. So you have, you've done some, there's been some developments since we talked to you last. You've been working on some some things. Yeah. Let's just tell us, tell us everything.

Iva:

Oh my gosh. Well, we'd be here for like five days if I told you everything. Um, okay, so I guess if I could summarize it, I would say I feel like the direction of the direction I went in my business is feeling so much more aligned, which is funny because last time I was on here, I was calling myself a soul alignment mentor or something like that. But yeah, like I just, I kind of just started giving myself more permission to do what I wanted to because I was like holding myself back from like some experiences with like past mentors who had kind of like steered me away from like you know, working with certain people. So I really wanted to work with entrepreneurs. And like I just felt like every time I would connect with other entrepreneurs, just like really loved the interaction, really loved supporting entrepreneurs. And people say entrepreneurship is like self-development on steroids. So you need like a lot of inner work in order to really get through it. And um when I started to feel this shift in my business, where I was like, wow, this is like I'm creating in a way that actually feels good. I am focusing on platforms that align with the way I express. So I'm not like forcing myself to run against the algorithm all the time and having all this resistance and like the creation process started feeling so much more fun. So I was like, I want to support other entrepreneurs to do that as well. So um I started a membership and I'm looking for founding members to join Everbloom for Entrepreneurs, which is all about basically like a space for you to listen to yourself. Like I'm I'm there supporting, asking the questions. Um, but it's really about entrepreneurs to really have that safe space to like tune within without all the outside noise because there's so many opinions and strategies and approaches out there. And it is just so easy to get lost. Like at one point, I felt like I had to like try on other people's strategies because what I was doing wasn't working, but then I ended up circling back around to like, oh, I did know what I needed to do. I just wasn't, I hadn't found quite figured out like the way to do it yet. And so some puzzle pieces did like fall in, but ultimately like the way I do it is still unique to me. And so, yeah, authentic business. That's what I'm like really excited for.

Lauren:

Oh, I love that. That's what so is Everbloom like a like a community thing? Yeah, okay, that's great.

Iva:

Yeah, so um I have live coaching calls where people can just drop in and kind of like office hours, but I'm calling them like soul support calls. So I would guide them to connect to their higher self and then ask whatever questions, get whatever clarity they want, um, and then just really work with them on like the creation process and and also I will say um their definition of success. Because I've also observed that that's like a really big thing where we learn like success means like being a six-figure entrepreneur or whatever, you know, and then everyone's like striving for that. But then if people actually slow down and ask themselves, is that really what I want? Then some of them realize, oh, that's actually not something that I value as much. But I had started, you know, following the crowd. So um, yeah, and I do have um Mystical Heart Collective, which if you guys would love, um, would be interested to join, um, I would love to have your guys' energy in there. That one is a completely free um community space. Um, so I I basically scrapped my website. I was like, we're done with this because this is just a link I keep sharing everywhere, but it felt so like everything felt separate because like my community was in Telegram, Heartflow, which is how I'm podcasting right now, um, is in was in Telegram. And then my website was separate, and then social media was all separate. So um I got the intuitive nudge to like just like have it all be in one spot. And so then I started looking for community-centered platforms and I found group app, which I love. Like I'm so happy with the functionality and everything that I can do in there. Um, so yeah, so I opted for a community space instead of a website, and then people are free to share like their own offerings, and it's just really like heart-led humans coming together on the journey, wanting to deepen their intuition and walk together in community and learn from each other because that's kind of ultimately what community is.

Frank:

Let me ask you what, if anything, initiated this change for you in in in how things have become even more aligned?

Iva:

Well, you know, like, okay, yeah. Oh, but you guys are out in Cal. Yeah, you guys are safer. Okay.

Frank:

So um the the code word that everyone always uses is plant medicine, if you like, you know, and that like implies a bunch of different things.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

You could be talking about basil. You so you took a hero dose of basil.

Iva:

So I took my um my hero dose of basil. My favorite way is uh making a Nutella sandwich, actually, if anyone is curious. Oh wow. Oh that is the tastiest form.

Frank:

That's funny.

Iva:

Um so uh yes, I was on a journey out in nature, and I just felt I I was already feeling like something was percolating in like in general, but I it wasn't fully like there yet. But on this journey, I could feel it so much more, and it felt like very earthy. It felt like the best way I could describe it is maybe more like shamanic. And I played around with that term because I know there's like kind of some controversy with using a term like that. Um, I feel like the way I was I would have used it was fine, but some people had like other opinions, and ultimately I just kind of was like, I don't want to really deal with this. Um, I'm just trying, like, I don't know, me and titles. We've had a long history.

Frank:

You mean just for like the concept and the the the the semantics of the the term shamanic and stuff like that?

Iva:

Yeah, I guess like it gives like I don't know, I guess it like scares people off. Uh, because I'm like so used to all this work. I'm like, it's just inner work. Like at the end of the day, it's just all inner work, you know.

Frank:

I feel like as long as you're not storming the Capitol, everyone's okay with it these days, at least in this community. Sorry, we we cut you off. Yeah, what did that spark?

Iva:

Um, so it was like this earthy shamanic energy that just started, like it was so present. And all of a sudden I realized like, oh, this is what has been like kind of coming, like bubbling up. But like it clicked that that was the new, like the new approach, I guess. So it kind of like was this pivoting moment of it, it wasn't like a total rebrand, but it started to nudge me to kind of evaluate and also like I don't know, like shift and and reflect on the direction I was going in my business. So I still have like one-on-one work, like I call them inner ceremonies now, where it's kind of like my signature offering. Um, and we'll do like a little bit of that. We'll see like how it wants to flow. Um, but basically I'm multi-passionate, so I'm not using like one specific modality, I'm just present with each person. And then in the moment, I'm like feeling into and noticing also like it. Um, oh, this is the best way I can describe it. It's a co-creative healing journey. So when I'm sitting with someone, I'm creating it with them. So they're very active in the experience. And that is really important for me because I don't want to be doing the healing like for the person. Like, I first off, like we can't really do healing for people, like it happens within them. But I really wanted to empower people to feel it for themselves and to be like that, have that active role. Um so yeah, it's like kind of that's just kind of my signature thing. I just flow in the moment. I call it like the medicine of the moment because I never know. Like, even if you tell me what your intention is, my brain might be able to come up with like, oh yeah, we'll do like this like more hypnotherapy approach, right? To like drop you in and like then we'll do, you know, we can explore this and that and that. But until we're like in the moment, sometimes things will come up that I had no way of knowing. So that's why I've learned, like through all of the sessions I've done with people, to just kind of also have this element of surrender. And I think that's so important in our healing journey because we can't like control how it will be. And I've had healings myself where I'm like, okay, we're gonna work on this money wound stuff, and then I go in and then I have this like expectation of you know what's supposed to happen as a result, and then that's not how it went. And then I had to lean into like, how can I accept this more? Because I had really strong expectations, and it doesn't mean the healing wasn't powerful, but it was medicine of the moment that I wasn't um like I'm not, I wasn't always like open to like on my journey. Hmm. Interesting.

Frank:

Yeah, so you're being more you're you're leading more, you're intuitive first now. It's it's it seems like instead of like trying to identify a problem and being very logical about it and and then like having a diagnosis for that problem, say, ah, I know just the thing. Here's this tool I have. You're just you're it seems like you're giving people space to explore with you and and see what else comes up and and then taking it from there. Is that a pro a good assessment?

Iva:

I think I didn't have like the words before to say it and to identify like this is what's actually happening in the space, because I kept trying to fit what like other practitioners were doing and saying today, you know, like focus on like one thing you're helping them with. But then when I looked back at like, well, you know, these are the sessions, and we've worked on all areas of life. There's not a single thing that I'm focused on. Um, and then I would look at like, well, what's like the transformation? And it's like, well, they connected deeper to themselves, they received some kind of healing, but it was all unique, like to them, you know, and then I started owning that more. Like it's a unique healing, it's custom to you, it's what you need in the moment. And then that also like really helped me like anchor deeper into like, yeah, this is my signature process. Sorry, he's in the crate.

Frank:

Did you hear you good?

Lauren:

Yeah, you're fine.

Iva:

Oh, okay. This microphone is awesome. I feel like it it blocks all that stuff out.

Frank:

So it does, it really does, yeah. Um that's really cool. So it seems like you're I hate using this word and everyone does now because it's been abused, but it seems like your approach is more holistic now. You know, I've recently learned about like Reiki stuff. Um I'm I'd actually just well, yeah, I actually just opened up I'm officially gonna be a Reiki practitioner. But in that process of like learning it all, like I was like, oh, like I I got a map of like Japanese like body meridians and you know how oh, you have a cramp in your foot, and now uh I don't know, you hate broccoli. Like there's stuff that shouldn't be related that like ends up being related. And it seems like you're doing that on an intuitive, like emotional level of it's like we're gonna solve your mentality around money. It's like, well, you know, how do you feel about like safety and security and like all this other stuff that comes and someone might talk about their their parents or their home life or their upbringing, and that translates to their business and how they operate.

Iva:

Well, it's all connected, right? Because like we're at the heart of our life. So then everything that that is that we're like interacting with, it like our connection to ourself ultimately like touches all of that, right? Like how we show up in our career, how we show up for our family, how we show up in our business. So I guess like the thing that I'm really passionate about that I almost kind of feel like people overlook a lot is the connection to the self. Like that's the best way I can put it because everyone's gonna call it different things: higher self, intuition, inner self, inner voice. Um but it's like connecting to that and then having this self-leadership in your life, that's kind of what my journey was. And then that's what supports me now. Like, so just to give you like an example, um this past the past few weeks have been really rough. Like I had mentioned, you know, like some health stuff in the family, um, juggling a lot, feeling kind of like stretched thin. So I was feeling very overwhelmed and had like all these questions in my mind. And then I was like, okay, this weekend I'm taking some time, gonna like sit and connect. Um, I reached out to a friend to hold space for me who like we would like hold space and connect um to each other's like higher selves, like guide that process. Um, and we would like swap. So like we would have time like for her to do it, and then me, and then we would like help each other like that. And we would send what questions we have ahead of time, and then yeah. So I reached out to her, I was like, hey, I've got some stuff I'm like really attached to, and I need like to hear from my I call it my inner magic. Um, so I I sent the questions, and then all it took was 45 minutes to just take the time to sit down, ask the questions, and it's not even just like hearing the guidance, but it's like feeling it in your body. When you feel it, it's different because there's a resonance, and then you're so clear that the mental stories are no longer like bouncing around because now you're like, no, I actually like feel the truth within me. So I know like this is the direction I'm going. And then you're clear, and then you have that like higher perspective that you already like looked at it from. So then you don't have to like overthink and and do all the mind gymnastics. And and don't get me wrong, I love love our minds. I think some people in the spiritual community like to shit talk our minds. I never resonated with that approach, and I think our minds are a great ally. I just think that we have given them too much power, like, and too many jobs. Like we aren't want our mind to like do everything for us, you know? And um, and I think it's just not, it's technically not designed to do that. Like it can do certain things, but it's not really the space to like, like it can pull from the past. So anytime you're trying to like anytime you want to do something new, it's not the best tool to be using because it can only pull from what it's been exposed to. So naturally, when you try to do something new, it feels scary because it's like, oh, we don't know what's in this territory, so I don't know how we feel about this. So you need to start kind of showing your mind like evidence, like, look, this person did it and they're still alive, living and breathing. We we're not gonna die if we do this too. I mean, unless you're like talking about skydiving, then I don't know, but no, that's true too.

Frank:

Especially that that's also what keeps people like back, like in terms of it's not just the the fear of uh it's not just the fear, it's also the like, well, logically I've already tried this, so why would I why would it work again this time? And it's like, well, you're bringing something different into it this time now. You're you're paying attention more, you're seeing what you what you uh what you um resonate with more and you're not so rigid.

Lauren:

Yeah, and the stories are pr can be really powerful in a not great way because they kind of can just keep you from uh doing a lot of different things. Like you know, if you hadn't uh reached out to your friend, your mind can keep you just struggling for days and days and days and days, and uh, you know, t taking that time to really just kind of like ground yourself and connect to your own body and higher self is I mean, that's so it's so powerful.

Frank:

So let me ask you this. Your before you had shifted like your your approach with your with your clients, the did you have you said you felt something kind of bubbling up at some point, right? Did you have this like underlying discomfort that you were like kind of like, oh, it's really because this happens to me a lot too. Um of like, oh, I suddenly sense that maybe there's the need for change, and that's so inconvenient that I don't want to think about it right now. But then, you know, a little maybe a little bit of basil and a nice long walk, and and suddenly you're like that fear is gone, and you're like able to like look at it dead on and like really start making those adjustments. Did you have that like underlying discomfort?

Iva:

Not with this one, but with with previous situations when I was going through changes or had to like take certain steps um that I knew like it was gonna be like challenging to do, definitely. Yeah, mainly around like family stuff, sure like like uh moving out of my parents' place and moving to like a different state. Um I would say that definitely I felt more of that, but I also didn't really have the tools back then, you know. Like I I wasn't connecting to my higher self yet. I didn't, I hadn't had like the first session with a facilitator to experience that. Um that's why I'm so like I'm like guys, this work is like so important. We need more people doing it, you know. And it's funny because like so many entrepreneurs will say, like, yeah, I'm just like really passionate about this. And I think in my business, I was passionate about like the what, but I think the way I was doing it, like the approach, I was getting mixed up with like how other people were saying to do it. And and so then once I started doing it my way, then I was like, oh, like it gets to actually feel like like fun to create this and to like so I used to have my podcast, and you know, like on like all platforms, right? Like I hosted on the Spotify for creators. I wish they would have just stuck with anchor, that was so much easier to say. But yeah, but um, so I I used to have the podcast there, it still is up there if anyone wants to go check it out. Um, but I was like, I would be out and about in my life and have so much like I would have like moments where all of a sudden like I would make a connection, like, oh, like you know, I didn't even realize like this is connected to that, or like have like a question or something. Um, and I would just want to like talk about it with someone, right? And so then I started just voice recording myself, like as I was driving in the car when you know these things would drop in. And so then I was like, I feel like this needs to live somewhere, like I I need to like this is kind of basically like a podcast, just like in literally in the like little micro moments of life. And so then I got this idea for heart flow. So this is like my podcast, which is in the Mystical Heart Collective community now. I've moved it over in there. Um, but basically it's so great because I just click record and then I share whatever is coming through, and then I upload it, and then that's it. And there's no editing, and then they're short, most of them are short and sweet. I do have a few that are like about 20 minutes, but most of them are like five to 10 minutes, sometimes even less. And so um, yeah, it I just I feel like there's something really empowering about finally giving yourself that permission to do it your way and like ask yourself those questions of, well, what's the way I'm doing it right now? And why does it feel why do I have resistance to it?

Frank:

I keep thinking of the one of the the things that you know, if you subscribe to Bashar and his stuff, one of the things he always talks about is what's in your life's theme, right? Yeah, yeah, and sometimes we find ourselves kind of pushing things that are like you were saying, like the your your mentors, like you are like, oh, this is the way they do it, and I I should try that, right? And and like, and then you do it and it's just not hitting right. Like it's not landing the way it lands for them. It feels very forced the way you're the way they do it, it seems effortless, you do it, it seems like it's it's shitty. And like, well, this is maybe just not part of your theme. This thing of like you landing into your authenticity and bringing that into your practice, and then helping other people find that in theirs is so cool. And also, I want to commend you too. Like, you gave yourself you gave yourself a wild amount of permission to make adjustments, even if it felt kind of uncomfortable. I think that's really cool.

Lauren:

Yeah, that's great.

Iva:

Thank you. I want to like put you guys in my pocket and take you with me everywhere.

Lauren:

Just cheer you on.

Frank:

God, I wish I was more pocket-sized. Have you had any clients that who are like they know they should be talking to you and like they also are holding back a little bit because of their discomfort, or like I don't know.

Lauren:

There's yeah, I mean, people have like fear, self-judgment.

Frank:

Yeah. Have you had any people that are like clamming up? I'd say this is this would be a session one, hello, big badass CEO. Like, you're doing a great job, but you're really stressed and you you're trying to power through, everything's going the way exactly the way you you want, except for you're stressed and miserable still, and you don't want to talk to me about how you feel. Because you know, because you you're not in that business. Uh and and they're like, I don't know, everything's fine, everything's fine. Like, did they do they have you had anybody like that yet?

Iva:

Um, yeah, I feel like I can, I mean, like I'm not perfect. I'm not gonna claim to be, but sometimes when I'm talking to people, I'll start to feel like subconscious stuff coming up for them. Like, and and then I'll ask questions to see like if they're aware of it, and then a lot of times they're not, or they're or they'll basically their response tells me like they're not willing to go there right now. So I I try to like really respect that people are going to like feel it and know when they're ready. I don't want to like push anyone, or also because like in the before like my whole healing stuff, I would like I wanted to help people so bad that I would give a lot of unsolicited advice. So I learned like through that process that I I want to respect people's decisions and their journey and their sovereignty ultimately. Um and then yeah, just trusting like the ones that are drawn, it's for a reason. And um, and then with the ones that are not ready or not willing to go there, um, then I just let them be. And if at some point along the way like that shifts, then great. Or if they find like a different person to work with that's support that's supportive. Ultimately, I just want people to receive the support that they need, whether it's with me or someone else. It's not really, for me, it's not really about like where they're getting the support, it's just that they're feeling the support and they're and they're doing the like inner work, you know, like to have a better life from like the inside out.

Frank:

What are the repetitive patterns? What are the patterns you're seeing in entrepreneurs that is consistently holding them back?

Iva:

So um visibility, that was like literally what I just walked through this past year. Um not knowing how to get clear on articulating or communicating what it is you're doing with with the world because I also walked through that one. Basic here, let me just think back to the last four years and I'll tell you I'll tell you all the stuff. People pleasing showed up with pricing, wanting to give everyone discounts, not feeling like worthy enough to stick to my pricing. What else have we moved through? I think at some point too like feeling like the ant someone had like the golden key and the answer. And then after trying to listen to a few different people, I realized like oh it's not because have you guys heard these stories where like entrepreneurs will be like I didn't have the money to invest in this coaching. It was like 10K I felt I felt the nudge. So I went ahead and put it on my credit card and then I went through the program and then I made all that money back in like a month. Yeah.

Frank:

Oh I've heard that story. I think I'm I'm living that story right now. I'm looking at some coaching programs and I'm like that's expensive.

Iva:

I think the difference because the thing is that I've noticed there's a lot of people investing in these coaches and programs and stuff, right? But then I got really curious like what's the difference between someone who actually ends up make like having a shift and a change in their business and with themselves versus someone who doesn't. And I realized it's the alignment piece. So first you have to make sure you're being discerning and really picking a coach that actually aligns for you not just because they showed you all these receipts of their clients making a certain amount of money every month. And being really clear on that because I've also invested in more on the marketing side but I remember one particular person I had reached out and I said hey I really need help with my messaging and she basically just helped me with um with my aesthetics and like creating video content. So by the end of the call I was like we didn't do anything with my messaging and I had said like I really need help with this part of my business. So I think just being really clear on like what's the area that you need help with but also not like not undervaluing yourself because there's so much like like it's all coming from you right like I was having this conversation with a friend and she was talking about like the different modalities right like that exist which I think is so beautiful like you know we've got Reiki we've got inner child healing we've got ancestral healing like past lives you know whatever you name it there's we have the whole buffet in front of us. And the really beautiful thing about that is it doesn't matter which tool you're using what matters is that that tool supports you to shift your perspective and it gives you like the it presents the information in a way that can support you in that moment. I think that's the difference between trying a modality or exploring something for like your self-discovery journey and it landing and then sometimes like it doesn't land. And it's just the way that it's being presented. It's like it all comes down to the alignment. I think that's the difference between like whether something works or not. I think if you're looking at it and you feel like is this oh okay this is good. This this was what I learned by making the wrong investment was when I feel in my body like this person is going to save me from whatever I'm not making enough in my business. I I can't get the clients um I'm struggling in this way whatever that is fill in the blank for you and then when when you feel like this person or this whatever they have like is the key like is the thing that's when you know you're not in you're not going you're not choosing it from a clear space but because you're putting like also like pressure on it right like to work and having certain expectations and in my experience those have always backfired. So I would not recommend um but when you I don't know like for me in my body and it could be different for different people that's why I always say like tune in to yourself and really practice like what does it feel like for you and to build that discernment muscle because that's how you're going to be able to identify it ultimately but for me when I've invested when it has felt right and I've looked back and been like oh yeah that's like that was what I needed like I got like it was like aligned and it flowed really well it has almost kind of felt I don't know like the best way I can describe it is it's almost like I'm being like spirit led like I'm still taking the action like it's Eva taking the action but it's almost like the I don't know how to describe it. And maybe you guys might have some questions to help me explain it a little more it's almost like it's not coming from me. Like it's like I'm being guided but I'm not poss like I'm not possessed or anything.

Lauren:

Do you know what I mean? Like listening yeah listening to what what feels like the next thing what feels like the right thing.

Frank:

It's also just like when it's an easy yes. Like not when it's a not when it's an excited like I need this right now and then while someone's telling you for a limited time we'll take off like five thousand yeah and then but it's also not so challenging where it's like wow this is a left turn from my current like mode of operation and it's giving me like a uncomfortable gut feeling.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

And you're like oh this is this is going to be challenging for me. It's probably good that because then you're in a space of just like accepting what other people are saying, right?

Lauren:

It's like giving your own power away.

Frank:

Yeah. It's an improv you're looking for things that are a yes and you know it's a oh yeah you're doing it the right way and try this too on top of it. You're that way you're like kind of modality stacking. Like that's yeah. I think a lot of times just in in general in life when people aren't finding things that are aligning with them they're looking for those two things. They're looking for the thing that's okay what's the 180 opposite of what I'm doing right now. Because if what I'm doing right now isn't working it must be the exact opposite and that's so extreme you find yourself in the same problem once you get comfortable to that new direction.

Lauren:

And then you know just fucking car dealerships they're like oh the best I could do for you is this and you're like oh man I don't feel good about any of this you know last time we talked to Eva we had a whole thing about a car oh my god that's right I was wondering is that still linger no it's not she did like a mini healing example too and you were you were talking about I think it's on our Patreon that we left that clip out but it was uh about a power move of like a car dealer.

Frank:

I just always feel like you know it's because we're talking about people that are like putting you in an uncomfortable sales position where you feel like you you and like that's what car that's like the cornerstone of of of like hard hard sales right it's always like oh you know you're giving them too much money already but they're also acting like you're doing they're doing you a favor. And it's like what what is this un I'm trying I'm going for like healing and like um you know doing some self-work here. Why do I also have to have this really uncomfortable negotiation on top of it that that makes it it kind of taints the entire thing in like some like uncomfortable unnecessary capitalism in the space of of healing or in the space of like modalities you know what I mean? So that's sometimes an uncomfortable challenge on top of the the work that's already coming. So yeah I get that car dealerships man. I don't know if that maybe I spoke over your point.

Iva:

No I I think that was good.

Frank:

It wasn't good. It's okay dude thank you so much for spending time with us today.

Lauren:

Thank you for coming back and also I just want to say like I can see the the like the evolution and the growth since we talked to you which I feel like was about a year ago and I think that's really cool. It's cool to watch someone evolve and kind of shift what they're doing because it feels more like aligned to them and their their heart and soul. So I see that.

Frank:

And we always talk about like permission to grow and like you have to you have to be in that space. And you know if you don't give yourself permission to grow it's going to turn into like a harder lesson down the road and it seems like you're doing such a good job in integrating these newer lessons and so you're a badass now.

Iva:

Thank you. You guys are as well I love hearing all your updates and the ways that you guys are growing as well. It's so nice to reconnect.

Frank:

Eva if you don't mind tell everybody where they can find you all your plugs all that stuff.

Iva:

Okay so um I'll have links up shared with Lauren on my social media um the ones that I'm most active on right now are Threads and YouTube and it's the same username handle. So it's Eva of the heart and um and then I would love to invite you and your listeners to the Mystical Heart Collective. That's my free online community where heart led humans are gathering to support one another to share our gifts and um yeah just it's kind of a crazy time right now in the world and I think we need more community more than ever before. So we already have some people from all over the world. So it is a global community and it's really exciting and uh we'll have monthly gatherings um for true connection and um and support. So would love to see you all there and then I'll also have links for ways to work with me one-on-one down below as well.

Frank:

All right Yeah you have a great rest of your day and uh we'll talk to you soon. Yeah sounds good you guys as well thank you for listening visit ClaireVoying.com for merchandise or to access free resources to help you on your spiritual journey. Subscribe to our Patreon for more content or join for free to chat with us. Clare Voyaging is a fiscally sponsored project of Fractured Atlas, a 501c3 charity make a tax deductible donation to support our mission to foster understanding, respect and curiosity for diverse spiritual belief systems. Claire Voyaging is a production of Wayfeather Media

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