Clairvoyaging

089: Mediumship & Energetic Protection for Empaths // with Erin Lee

• Wayfeather • Season 1 • Episode 89

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Erin Lee joins us with a rare blend of candor and craft, sharing how clairaudience shaped her life, why she left broadcasting for full‑time mediumship, and the simple, repeatable ways she protects her energy without getting lost in ritual. 

We talk about clear boundaries, managing energetic overwhelm in public spaces, and simple grounding. Besides being a funny person and an absolute delight, Erin tells great stories and has fantastic insight about the spirit world. 

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Lauren:

Hey werewolves, mummies, and witches! It's Spooky Season, Spooky Time. In today's episode, we chatted with Erin Lee, former radio DJ turned professional psychic medium. We talked about her road to mediumship, creating energetic boundaries, and the surprisingly simple ways you can protect and ground your energy without getting lost in ritual overload. I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank:

And I'm Casey Gasum. You like that? You like that one?

Lauren:

We are a married couple learning how to develop our own intuition. And this is episode 89 of Claire Voyaging. Wayfeather Media presents Claire Voyaging. Hi, puppies.

Frank:

How are we?

Lauren:

Little angel puppies. That's what I call my kids.

Frank:

You did it again. I don't know how you do it every single time. You guys, you're beautiful.

Lauren:

You guys are beautiful people. You are gorgeous.

Frank:

It's stunning. Is the Met Gal is the Met Gal here?

Lauren:

What is happening?

Frank:

No, it's not. You just look like this all the time. You woke up like this.

Lauren:

Your aura is shining and glowing like the moon.

Frank:

It's like glitter.

Lauren:

What the heck? Well. Okay. Well, now that I'm energized by our our listeners and viewers, Frank, do you have any updates to share?

Frank:

I have a little update.

Lauren:

I feel like Frank has a little update.

Frank:

Hey guys, if you go to Claire Voyaging.com right now, you can actually book me for a Reiki session.

Lauren:

Oh, what?

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

Are you serious?

Frank:

You can. And let me throw something out real quick though.

Lauren:

Go on.

Frank:

You might notice by my personality that I'm probably not gonna Reiki the normal way.

Lauren:

He's got his own style, ladies and gentlemen.

Frank:

Yeah, and listen, like the actual Reiki element of it really does resemble like Reiki, right? But what I do integrate into my Reiki is a little bit of like discussion integration. So you and I will kind of have a little chat. We'll do a body scan, we'll do a little bit of chat just to talk about what we're feeling and stuff like that. And then the rest is just normal Reiki. So you you chill, but with that that conversation in mind.

Lauren:

You also have some interesting additional options. One of which is like if you have a family in your home that you want to just have a group Reiki session for, like, that's cool. He'll do a group Reiki, or like, I don't know. Yeah, how's your office? How open are they to group Reiki?

Frank:

True. My big thing is always gonna be like, if uh I don't know, I don't want uh pricing to be a barrier of any kind. So if you're like, hey, I want to have I can't afford like a session, which happens, it's fine, and you want to have just a if you want to have 50 people over into your house and you you buy a group session, I'll do the group session, guys.

Lauren:

Wow.

Frank:

So you split the cost, you know, split the cost between the pals. Split these. I don't mind.

Lauren:

Go have these go fifty f 50 to one.

Frank:

Yeah. Listen, there's a lot of fractions in there. I have some other stuff. Oh, oh, here's a fun one. Uh, if you are a performer of any kind, whether that's like you're uh in a band or you're you have a keynote speech to give or something, I do uh what I call it Showtime Reiki. How about that? If you want active Reiki during your presentation, you don't have to come online or you can send me a live stream link link, I'll watch you. You get Reiki during that thing. You know, you got Frank's in your corner during that period. Isn't that cool? I think that's cool.

Lauren:

Not even you don't even have to log into anything, just receive. That's cool.

Frank:

But I'm behind the scenes and I'll be there for you.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

I'm excited about that one. I think that's cool. I of all the performances that we've had and like going into things with like that like insecurity of like, oh no, now I have to be uh on stage.

Lauren:

If you knew someone was giving you Reiki the whole entire time, you'd be like, I uh I am supported and taken care of.

Frank:

I don't know, there's something there. I feel very excited about that one. And then I'll send you a recording, obviously, of me doing it.

Lauren:

And where can where can everyone go again?

Frank:

Go to Clarevoyagent.com, guys. There's a a new it's gonna be a services tab right now. I think it says Reiki and Coaching. Coaching, yeah. Go up there. Soon Lauren might have a little bit of a little thing to present it to you.

Lauren:

Soon we're working on it. Behind the scenes.

Frank:

It's gonna be good.

Lauren:

Well, I think I think it's just about time to get to our interview. Sweet Erin, we really vibed with her immediately.

Frank:

Ooh, talk about instant friend.

Lauren:

Just off the bat, like it was it's a good, it's a good, good chat.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

So I'm excited for you to hear from her and hear some of her tips. Because that's good.

Frank:

You're gonna be you're gonna you're gonna be friends with her too. Yeah.

Lauren:

You're gonna like it. You're gonna like it. You're gonna like it. You're gonna like it. You're gonna like it. You're gonna like it. Aaron, so nice to meet you already. We're like excited to talk to you. Can you give us the goods on your your backstory and we can we can start there?

Erin:

Um it it was actually like middle school when I started kind of realizing that um other kids my age could not see dead people. So that's that's kind of like how it started. You kind of like have this moment of clarity where you're like, oh, so that wasn't like that's not normal for you. Cool, like that's good to know. So um my my parents were looking for a house. They were, you know, middle class looking to buy their first home. And we we were house hunting and they were dragging me along as one will do when you're 11. I was in middle school. And um I had uh one house that we went into, I had a premonition that someone had passed in the house. And to me, this is very like, again, like being little, not really knowing, but also knowing and being like, oh, this is just normal for me, like, you know, seeing people pass through and spirits. Then I saw um, you know, like there was a uh shotgun under the couch, and I was like, well, that validates that something went down here. And um, you know, this was not, this was the 90s, there was not a time to, you know, look things up on the internet and find out if something had happened in this house. So I I never got true validation, but um certainly the way that I felt and for as little as I was, I uh begged my parents not to buy that house and we ended up getting a different one. So they did listen to it.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Erin:

Um, but you know, it was little like bits and pieces that I was getting fed through my teenage years where I would be in an antique store and see my reflection in the mirror, but it was it was me, but it was not me. Or um, I just got chills from that. Yeah, like things that were premonition, like I'd get in the car and put the key in the ignition and go, Oh, it's ACDC, dirty deeds done dirt cheap. And then the radio would come on and it was literally ACDC, dirty deeds done cheap. And I'm like, Okay, well, like it it was the kind of thing where I'm like, I don't, you know, when you're young or you're a teenager, you're like, I don't know what to do with this. I don't have anyone. I now have a teenager myself who, when he comes to me with stuff like this, I'm like, oh yeah, so this is what you do, X, Y, Z. So it's a whole I didn't have anyone to guide me. So I I was kind of like flying blind through those early years. Um, and I, you know, I had a whole other career. I was a radio DJ professionally for 20 years before I became a full-time psychic medium. Uh COVID hit and and they sent everyone home and they brought almost nobody back, and it changed the entire landscape of entertainment.

Lauren:

Oh wow.

Erin:

Um, and I had already been doing this work part-time um since I got Reiki attuned in 2015, but I'd been pulling cards and stuff since like 2012. And um, you know, it just kind of became like a natural progression for me to start taking on clients full-time and make this my business. I I had been kind of like slowly crawling towards it for a while, but I'm so passionate about music that it was hard for me to make the full leap until Universe said, shove, we're doing it for you.

Lauren:

Yeah. Oh my god. First of all, you do have a great radio voice. Thank you. Um oh, that's so cool. So your parents did they didn't have any and still don't like they don't have any uh uh psychic tendencies.

Erin:

No, nope, not at all.

Lauren:

How does it react to yours?

Erin:

Yeah. So um super supportive. Like my my dad's a very practical guy. He's a Taurus like me, so he's very grounded, like like show me the proof kind of person. But there comes a point where like skepticism is healthy. I invite it, I welcome it. Again, like as a Taurus myself, I'm like, I I want some kind of concrete evidence also. But um, it gets to the point where like you can't deny it anymore when I'm telling you things and then they come to pass. It's like, you know, so uh but my mom was always um, you know, some dabbled in spirituality and astrology and things like that. So it wasn't like completely foreign or like out of the question, but um neither of them are gifted. And and um I have uh family members on my mom's side who who are also intuitive or gifted as well, but don't do it professionally like I do.

Lauren:

I don't know. It's always nice to hear a story of like the parents are like, great, they're going to support you, and like, you know, maybe a little like, oh, this is weird, but not like shutting you down.

Erin:

And my grand my grandparents too, like, and I mean that's you're talking about an older generation and they've since passed, but but like even you know, my grandmother, it's actually the anniversary of her passing today. Funny enough, I just thought it. But wow, my grand, my grandmother was very and she Sagittarius, funny enough, like you guys. So um, even coming from that older generation, she was like, Oh yeah, like that's you know, cool, I'm open to it. You want to draw some cards for me? Like, let's like let's do this. Like, so you know, I'm very thankful that my family wasn't like, okay, weirdo, like I didn't, I mean, like, yeah, that's true still, but but um, you know, it my dad was like, uh, but you know, we paid for a degree for you when you went to college. Like, that's the that's the practical Taurus, right? Yeah, right. And I was like, well, I mean, I'm still doing stuff in music, so like you know, does that count? Like, can I just have can I do both? Can I have both?

Lauren:

So just did you so like you got into music or the DJing, and um was there where was the like even just doing part-time like mediumship and taking clients and stuff, like what was the impetus to like move forward with that? Was it just like, I think I'll think I'll do this? I'm sensing it anyway.

Erin:

So there was um uh just a part of it was like meeting people like along my path that were like it it it it becomes like like I said before, like undeniable that this is what you're supposed to be doing.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Erin:

So um I made friends with a woman who um her aunt is a Reiki master and she was a Reiki too when I met her. And um I had kind of already been hearing about it and interested in in getting a tune myself. And then I met these people and I was like, oh, I was supposed to meet you to learn. Like it becomes evident, like kind of like on your path, like when when people, you know, when you meet people or when when you kind of like interact with people, like, oh, this is the moment I was waiting for, or like this is what the door that needed to open before I could take the next step.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Erin:

Um and you know, even working in radio, like I would be in the studio um, you know, by myself recording something to to that would play on air later, and I'd just be standing there like doing my show prep or kind of whatever, and I would hear my guides, I'm clear audience primarily. So I would hear like a message to check on someone, and it was people I worked with at the radio station. So I'm checking on people and then finding out that they have stuff going on. There was someone on a particular day that I work with that our families have kids around the same age and they played together and whatever, and I noticed he wasn't in the office that day. And he was in sales, so that's not unusual for them to kind of be out and about, like meeting with other clients and whatever. But I was like, I texted him, I was like, Hey, uh, you know, I'm just checking on you, haven't seen you today. I've I felt pushed to like just see how you're doing. And he's like, I'm literally standing on the side of the road. I just had a car accident. And I said, Oh my God. I was like, so I said, Was it around this time? And he goes, Yeah, like within five or ten minutes. And I was like, okay, because I first started hearing that I needed to check on you. And again, you know, working in entertainment, a lot of people are already inclined to spirituality or inclined to astrology and things of that nature anyway. So it's not weird for me to text people that already knew that I leaned in that direction as it is. So but it's like feeling out like who's gonna be cool with me checking on them and being like, hey, like I heard to see how you're doing. So, you know, when it when it becomes like when you're constantly getting hit with messages like this, or you know, check in with your people, or whatever the case may be, it gets to the point where you're like, I I need to be doing this. Like it's very clear that it's not a hobby any longer, or it's not something to do casually, it's it's my life's work or my calling.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Well, this is kind of hold on. So you're saying primarily clear audience and you have and you were a radio DJ.

Erin:

Yeah.

Frank:

I mean, were you Was there ever like a time when you're like listening to your your playlist and you're like, hey, coworker, you know what my favorite lyric of the song? You know when you know when Freddie Mercury goes, uh help me, help me, please help me. You're the only one that can hear me.

Lauren:

Did you ever experience that? That happened every single time she's listening to the same Freddie Mercury.

Erin:

So there's definitely a degree of like catching messages in the music for sure.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Erin:

And and there's also a degree of like having worked in radio, meeting artists directly, like on this plane of existence, not that the past, just for clearly. Oh, yeah. Um, and and then there's a level of understanding that you have as a psychic or intuitive person that it's like here's here's the interaction I'm having face to face with you, and then here's kind of what I'm receiving intuitively or in the background. And I I try to like not be on at all times. Like I don't, I have the ability, not, and not all psychics do, to flip the switch on and off. Like some people are open and receiving information at all times, whereas I have really good energetic boundaries where I'm like, we're not doing this right now. Like, I'm just being a human being. Like I don't need to be, I don't need to be open or on at all times and receiving messages about your dead grandma like at Publix or whatever.

Lauren:

It's like so it's it's did you do like doing that? Did you do um did you find like um a mentor or a teacher or something like as far as mediumship, like to develop that and to get to turning off your switch?

Erin:

Yeah, absolutely. So um it, I mean, technically it started with John Edward watching John Edward on TV. Oh right. So yeah, amazing. And like super like direct communicator, which I'm a direct communicator too, so I appreciate that style. Um, can you explain what that is? Um what direct communication? Yeah, yeah. So like when you um when you don't use like flowery words or you don't um like when you when you direct communicate, it it's like I'm telling you exactly like it is. I'm not like softening it or sugarcoating it. Like I'm giving you direct information without all of the fluff.

Frank:

Okay.

Erin:

So and that's not exclusive to being psychic, that's just how I communicate in general.

Frank:

Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lauren:

So like you're not filtering it through you're not being like too gentle with like Yeah.

Erin:

Well, I mean, uh I find, you know, the longer I do this, I find that some people do need a softer approach, and that's fine. But I'm never gonna like tell you, oh, you're gonna find the love of your life next week if that's not in the cards for you. Like I try to be grounded and practical in the information that I give when I'm communicating during a reading. And that's like I said, goes back to why I liked John Edwards so much because I saw him giving very clear and direct information, and there's no like, you know, flowery, fluffy stuff going on. He's very like rapid fire the way he reads. And I, you know, I was a teenager watching him on television. Crossing over was big when I was a kid.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Erin:

Um, and then you know, subsequently I I met people um through a uh class that I took online on Zoom through Thomas John, who's also uh a fairly renowned psychic medium on a national level. And um we took a class with Thomas and then uh several of the people who were students of his, this was during lockdown when everything was on Zoom. Um, you know, we formed like a group chat and and uh I joke about this a lot because there's only so many people that you can message the group chat and like take a picture and be like, hey, what do you see in the corner over here in my room? Or like, or like, oh, your your aunt wants to say hi for a minute, who passed away, you know, 25 years ago. Right.

Lauren:

Oh wow.

Erin:

So um uh, you know, I I made some friends and mentors through um things like that. And then also, you know, like on a local level, um, I've had the pleasure of working with some people that uh I really do feel that um we're always learning from each other. Like we all can stand to learn things from each other. I don't see it as like teacher and student, I see us all as students of one another.

Frank:

Yeah. Listen.

Lauren:

I feel like you just talked about this recently.

Frank:

I talk well, because I've been I talk about it nonstop. Yeah. I the it very much feels like you know, everyone we uh we started, we asked this question uh at the very beginning of when we first started the podcast of like, you know, I keep hearing like a lot of um very intuitive people are are talking about how they feel like the world is shifting in a in a direction. Like, what do you think it's shifting to? And you get a lot of like you get a lot of uh weird answers because you know, there's the uh and I've come to understand like the the energy of what you're feeling doesn't quite necessarily translate to like how things 3D manifest, right?

Erin:

Yes.

Frank:

Yeah. So it's like, oh yeah, in the future everything's gonna be light and flowy and we're all gonna have mutual respect. I'm like, okay, that's awesome, but also that's not how things always pan out. Right. But if there's a bigger push towards that, like that's a cool thing that's gonna manifest it differently. You know, democracy or whatever. Um the uh it you saying that like really pushes me towards like the thing that I'm I'm always trying to wrap my head around of that, like I really feel like the model in when it comes to learning or any space like this that the the hierarchy of teacher master or I'm sorry of of master student is kind of going away. Yeah. Because the the the role of master is starting to feel a little like unbalanced, egotistical.

Lauren:

Yes.

Frank:

And and also like that level of control is something that we need to eliminate at this point.

Erin:

Yeah.

Frank:

So I I love that. And I'm and it's also difficult because when you are a practitioner like you are, like, oh, you know, you are in a position of power over the person that that's like hiring you, but also like it's it's 100% your responsibility to make sure that the playing field is is level and that you have a like a mutual respect for that person. So yeah.

Erin:

And and all my clients. Yeah, no, like you're you're spot on. Everything you're saying is spot on, and I totally agree with you. Like all of my clients, they're my contemporaries. A lot of them are give or take ten years on either side of I'm 44. So it's you know, people in your similar age.

Lauren:

I turn 44 in two months.

Erin:

You called it psychopsychic or something. Well, and oh, and you guys had like the the one um you made a sublime reference on one of the podcast episodes, and I was like, oh, clearly, like we got we have to be a similar age.

Lauren:

Sounds we all practice Santeria. I remember it. Yes, that's the title of the episode.

Erin:

So um, you know, to me, like these are my contemporaries, these are people that are within my same age group or even generation. So I don't feel uh and I and also like you know, we all have ego to a degree, that's human nature. I don't feel like it's correct or responsible, responsible to be like, oh, we need to remove ego. No, like that's part of the human experience.

Lauren:

Right.

Erin:

And like you said, we have a responsibility in how we check it and manage it. But to me, like I, you know, a lot of the people that I work with come to find out they're gifted themselves, um, usually with help from me. So I'm like, I'm like, oh, you didn't know? Like, we could work on this, like, you know, whenever you want to talk. Like that's cool. But so, like, to me, um, you know, I'm working with people that are just not as far down the path as I am. And I love being a teacher, but also it's just sharing my experience or sharing my knowledge. And I feel like in this lifetime or in this incarnation of myself, and we could go down a whole rabbit hole with this, so I'll try to keep it brief. But in the in this incarnation of myself, I'm here this time to have as many life experiences as possible to be able to assist people through their challenges as well. I've had a lot of hardship in my life and a lot of different, like really just just bad, bad life experiences. And I mean, it there's something to take from everything, correct? But also it's like when I have a client who, you know, I I was in an abusive relationship, so I've experienced domestic violence. Um, I have a child with a chronic illness, so I have the experience of going through that. I just like so many different life experiences that I feel like this lifetime is for me to guide others so that next time I come back, I can be a spirit guide instead of in the in the vessel in the human form, basically. Oh that's cool.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

That's fun.

Lauren:

Wait, what's your do you do you do human design? Do you know human design?

Erin:

Um I did it, but I don't remember what it is. I I yeah.

Lauren:

I'm I'm just curious if you're a similar if you have a similar number in the profile as I do. It's like a trial and error thing where you're meant to experience a lot of things and then use the those hardships or trauma or whatever to give uh wisdom, your wisdom to other people and like help them through it.

Erin:

That's cool. Now I'm gonna have to go back and check after we're done talking.

Frank:

We still haven't had a human design person on to talk about it. We've been talking about it for like a year.

Lauren:

I know.

Frank:

We're not pros, we're we're just like fangirls.

Lauren:

And that's fair.

Frank:

Having like, yeah, it's it's very cool. I have a bunch of apps on my phone. I'm like, oh, that's interesting, cool. But yeah.

Lauren:

Wait, I I just going back to the how do you know when someone are you hearing from their spirit team that like they have abilities, like you said? Like, how is how's that information come? Because I feel like I've heard that a lot where people are like, oh, a psychic told me.

Erin:

Yeah, it's definitely so anytime I'm doing a reading with anyone, it's a collaboration between my team and their team.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Erin:

So um, and sometimes I'm taking the time to differentiate who I'm communicating with, and sometimes I'm like, I'm just gonna listen and whatever comes through, and I'm not like, oh, is this your person or your person?

Lauren:

Yeah.

Erin:

Your spirit or my spirit. I'm just like, okay, I'm gonna take the information and give it to you as it comes through, and we're not gonna try to overanalyze it unless we're doing a spirit guide reading specifically. But um, but to me, like it it there tends to be either like a like a like a deep down knowing, like when I meet someone, it's like, oh well, you're I see my reflection in you, or vice versa. There's there tends to be like it sometimes I'm communicated with through their guides, but sometimes it's like I just intuitively feel like like, oh, clearly you must have some kind of gift as well. And it it ends up being, I mean, nine times out of ten, like no exaggeration. Almost all my clients have some kind of ability. And I have I have clients from all over the country.

Lauren:

That's so interesting. I mean, it's like something's kind of like sparking them to go push for more. And you're like, you actually don't need me.

Erin:

But yeah, like I'm happy to facilitate, but also like you have some stuff going on there that apparently is yours.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

It's funny because over the course of like this podcast, like we've you know, we we are always talking about how like everyone like I have marketing material that says you are psychic, like because it's anybody, right? It's just a matter of like how much you are uh attuned to it. And by attuned, I don't mean in the Reiki sense, I mean in like I tuned tuned into it. Sure. And it's actually a question I wanted to ask you about, like your your past. You're you were you like were in middle school seeing dead people, right? Yeah. And at one point were you like, oh shit, like yeah, literally. That's not everyone's experience, you know?

Erin:

Yeah, yeah. And and also like I did know, I guess, like on some level that you can't just like go around and ask other little kids. Like, I don't know, I I don't know if this was like my guides protecting me from that, or but I mean I was always like the little weirdo kid. Like, yeah, I mean, from from day one, like I was the weirdo kid, like, and I knew that I was the weirdo kid. Like, I I figured out a way to channel it and make it performance. So, and I mean that's part of being a Leo Rising too. Like, I can't, like the spotlight is me, whether I want it or not. So But like there there was this like understanding of like, oh, this is not like polite society to like go around talking about being able to talk to dead people. Like, I I guess it's part of it is the way you're raised, part of it is the the time that I grew up in. I think it's kind of like a mix of a few different things, but I I knew like at first I was like, oh, well, this is just like you said, it's like, oh, this is my normal or like this is normal to me. But then when I started kind of like looking around and I'm like, oh, other people are not having the same experience that I'm having, and I can't like then you go like you're kind of like whispering at people, like, hey, like is this you too? Like, do you like is am I like is that person like over there in the corner? Like, and it's funny too, because as a fully developed like in tune with my gifts now and and intentional and purposeful with it, psychic, at this stage, I don't typically have people in the room with me, so to speak. For the most part, it's like watching it on TV.

Lauren:

Okay.

Erin:

So um, every now and again, someone that has a very strong presence shows up at my house. But like for the most part, it's very, it's very like I like I'm almost like remote viewing, but like remote viewing memories. So like if I was doing a reading for you and I was I was looking for someone that you have in spirit that's past, I would be looking at it from the either the time that they were living or maybe a time that was significant or important to them. So and I'm what and I'm watching it as it looked then. So if I was looking at the 1970s, everything would be like that brown, orange, and green.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Erin:

And I'm and I'm viewing it almost like the way that you look at like the old pictures that that have just like the amber tones to them. So like I'm seeing it more like I'm more like I'm watching TV or a movie than actually having people like physically come stand in the room with me. But that's also a boundary that I learned, kind of like how we talked about before. That it's like you don't have to, you don't have to physically be standing next to me for us to communicate.

Lauren:

So when you were when did you start learning your boundaries? Like were you in middle school, like, all right, I I hey, I gotta work, I gotta learn, or was it after that?

Frank:

Like also I'm gonna I'm gonna tag on to that of at what at any point did you was it just your normal, or were you were you did you were you shocked or afraid at any any point? Because that could be a little bit more.

Erin:

I should have been. I know like I'm air quoting a lot, but there's like some things that it's like there's like God, I guess like in retrospect, maybe I should have been, but I just never I never was. And maybe that was like having a really strong spirit team to begin with, and or maybe it was kind of like always. having an understanding at least on a whatever level I could for the age and stage I was at. It was definitely not middle school when I learned boundaries. It was much later, probably like late 20s, early 30s, before I really started going, okay, you guys can't like just show up anytime. Or like you can't wake me up in the middle of the night. Like I like I like I value my sleep. So like we can't but I tell people that are early on in their journey also that because they'll they'll give me that oh my God I woke up between three and four in the morning and that's very common when you're first starting out. And I'm like, okay, so here's what you do. If you get woken up by someone in the middle of the night you say thanks for reaching out I really want to communicate with you or I really want to develop my intuition or what however those words look to you. But um I promise to set an appointment with you for tomorrow. We'll talk at 4 p.m not 4 a.m. Yeah and and it works and it's something that I learned through a through a contemporary or a colleague of mine like set the appointment for the next day but then you have to follow through with it. You can't just say I'm sleeping leave me alone I'll talk to you tomorrow and then not do it. Because then they come back again at 3 a.m and they're like hey like we never talked are you still billing me for that time or are you I just there were times where it was a little unnerving or a little strange um because and I mean this is still true even as as deep in in terms of like my level of experience now there's times where I'm like it catches me off guard or I'm not really expecting it. Yeah I was telling uh I did a reading literally right before I jumped on with you guys and I was telling my client about how yesterday I was sitting and having a conversation with a friend of mine and she and I were just like chatting and bouncing off of each other. And this is um a friend of mine who has gotten readings from me but we were just having a normal friend conversation yesterday and uh she was saying something and I was hearing the words before she was saying them and I wasn't purposefully tuned in. I wasn't like trying to read her like none of that. We were just like casually talking and I I went and like I looked at her and I was like I heard that word before you said it. Like I knew you were going to use that specific word and it was it's the kind of thing where like I guess trying to keep like a level of like curiosity or a level of whimsy or a level of however you want to describe this even when you have um as much experience as a psychic medium as I have there's still things that I'm like oh it's neat that I can do that. You know what I'm saying? I'd be like that was cool. Right. And well and also it's great too like when somebody comes back and validates you and they're like so the thing that you said was going to happen happened and you're like oh it did like like of course it did I'm psychic like that's my job but also like oh it actually did you know because sometimes you will read people and never hear from them again. And other times you have people that consistently get readings with you weekly monthly bi monthly whatever whatever the case may be but sometimes I I will not hear from someone from for a year or more and they'll come back and message me and be like so I got married now I'm pregnant like everything that you saw for me and I'm like like everything at once I'm like damn okay like I was waiting to give you the validation when I had everything in a row and I'm like I'm not mad at that. That's pretty cool actually That's cool.

Frank:

I was thinking I was thinking of when you're saying you were hearing the words before your friend was saying them. And again with the radio DJ thing you know when you talk to someone and you make a you do like you you take listener calls that they have their radio onto loud and there's like a yeah there's a delay and you hear I was like oh man that's funny. That reminds me of that yeah when when you are seeing um spirits do you see them as alive or dead or does it depend um I s I see them as so I will know that it's someone who has passed.

Lauren:

Okay.

Erin:

Um but I see them looking as if they're alive. So it's not like um it's so funny because literally it's the 30th anniversary of Casper. Yeah just watched Casper in the theater this past weekend my me and my family went. And so it's not like nobody's transparent nobody's like in in like monotone colors or anything like that. I I intuitively know that they're no longer living but they don't they don't look like they're not living.

Frank:

So when spirits are waking you up at night and needing something or showing up when you're trying to like you know make a cheese omelette and you didn't make enough for two.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Erin:

What are your strategies for like setting energetic boundaries and and and grounding yourself in all that so it's funny because it comes back to what we talked about before direct communication right so I literally I used to be self-conscious like oh it's kind of weird like I'm talking to no one quote unquote like right yeah because it's like you you know that they're present and they're there but it feels still weird to be verbalizing things out loud when there's no you're you don't have a person standing literally physically in the room with you. I had to kind of teach myself to like get over that mental hurdle or that mental hump of like I'm just gonna say the thing because I know that you're receiving it. I have to get over the human side of saying things out loud to quote unquote no one there, but there is someone there. You know what I'm saying?

Lauren:

Yeah.

Erin:

You know there have been times where out of exasperation I I will be looking for something one of my favorite stories to tell is I was in Dollar Tree and I was looking for a very specific candle. They had they had a line of chakra candles for a while and I think I saw those and I would I would bring them to to my clients in person as a gift.

Frank:

Oh that's fun.

Erin:

Yeah so I went I stopped by a Dollar Tree on my way to an appointment one day and I was looking for a very specific chakra and I scanned over and over and over and over and over and I'm like looking at this shelf and intuitively I felt like it was there. But visually I was not finding it and finally I threw my hands up in the air and I said guides like literally out loud in the middle of the Dollar Tree and like just show me where it is like please just show me where the candle is I'm out of time I need to go to my appointment like I cannot stand here and like fool with this anymore. And and I it wasn't even that I got like a clear auditory answer. It was that I reached all the way to the back of the shelf directly in front of me and there was that throat chakra candle the entire time and I said thank you like literally I looked up I did a wave like out loud again and I'm like I don't give a shit if I look crazy right now. Let people think whatever they want I got the assistance that I was looking for.

Frank:

So being able to I'm like a little old lady with a shopping cart like down that aisle or like an acne riddled 16 year old on the other aisle like who handed it through is like oh you could have just asked you miss.

Erin:

I feel like getting over the and like we talk about Gen Z a lot and the cringe thing right like getting over the cringe of like what it's like or what it might look like or how I'm perceived or whatever. I think I think that again like tying it back to being a radio personality for so long like I don't give a shit what anyone thinks I look like or what or how I'm coming off or like whatever it is. I'm literally just trying to I feel like when you're when you communicate with your guides directly clearly that even if you're not auditorily receiving confirmation they will reveal things to you in a way that needs to be revealed. Like I said that day at Dollar Tree I did not get and and remember I'm primarily clear audience and I didn't even get auditory confirmation. I just went right to the spot pulled it out like like I should have done the entire time. It was crazy. I it was literally like it hadn't been there and they placed it there because I swear to you I went through every single candle in the entire shelf and didn't and then I just reached in and there it was. But the lesson was that I needed to ask directly and not be afraid of what it looked like or who was looking or how it might be perceived. So I feel like part of setting boundaries is communicating with your guides regularly enough that it's not weird or they're not hearing you for the first time if you make it commonplace or you make it part of your routine or you make it normal, which normal is a relative term anyway. If you make it part of your routine it's not as unusual and they're more likely to be like oh you're asking us directly for assistance sure we can help you. It's like it's literally like part of being a human also right like when we when we're like oh I've got this myself like I don't need any help. And it's like we avoid asking and if we would have just asked we would have gotten the information or gotten what we needed so much sooner. But there's like pride or ego or whatever in the way of like instead of just asking for the thing or asking directly we go about it the long hard way when we kind of just asked.

Lauren:

Yeah. So in the cheese omelet scenario would you just say like I need space or like please like give me this like kind of shield or whatever. Or like if you're going out I know I've heard from several some of our listeners are very empathic and um I've heard from them like it's hard for me to kind of protect myself out in public or or whatever. What what kind of advice do you have for that maybe like before going out and greeting the world?

Erin:

So I feel like um early on before I knew how to do this for myself I was I was retroactively doing it instead of proactively doing it. So I like I I would get somewhere and be like whoops I forgot to shield and it could because then it hits you. Yeah and you're like oh here's everyone's everything all at once like oh I feel anxious now and I know it's not my anxiety it's you know this person's anxiety and this person's stress and this person's upset. So um I usually advised for people if you have the and a lot of people don't I understand like we're busy we're adults like lots of stuff going on as humans if you have the ability before your feet hit the floor in the morning shield yourself before you even get out of bed. Because that way you're starting your day already energetically protected. Yeah if if you have a feel like if I have the ability working for myself and being freelance to lay in bed for as long as I want do a meditation if I want energetically protect myself if I want I I ease myself into my day.

Frank:

Not everyone has that ability I tell people that's older kids.

Erin:

So um so I say if you can't do it before your feet hit the floor and you're like a nine to fiver type of person or you're a commute type of person, do it on your commute. Put um a Hertz frequency from Spotify or YouTube on in the car and obviously you can't like meditate or close your eyes because you're driving but you can at least get into a better energetic space before you're out into the larger world where you're around a ton of people. And instead is there a specific Hertz that you would recommend uh I would go with anything upper chakra so third eye crown even throat but mostly third eye and crown because you're thinking about protecting this space from receiving and um solar plexus would be good also because that's your your empathy center so to speak. That's where you have your connection to others is through your solar plexus. So I feel like it's um the kind of thing where there's not necessarily a wrong answer. It's kind of intuitively choose what you feel like you need on any particular day.

Lauren:

I feel like if everything is intention then like you can't do it wrong if you are just setting the intention of like protecting yourself or giving that that energetic shield right correct yeah so the other thing I was going to say is um to not strictly shield but um to filter so to think of it as a filter instead because when you're fully and completely shielding you are blocking everything positive and negative so if you want to continue to receive positive input you're thinking of it as a filter instead of a full on shield.

Erin:

So I'm filtering negative from reaching me but I'm still allowing positive to come in.

Frank:

Do you have like a do you have like a mantra or something or what what is your mental state for creating a a a shield or a filter?

Erin:

So um I feel like it should be super simple like I don't feel like you should say a ton of stuff. I usually just ask my guides for protection. I'll be like I try to do gratitude first. So thank you for giving me these gifts thank you for giving me the ability to receive information psychically thank you for giving me the ability to help and heal others to guide others and and then please keep me safe please keep me protected please you know I try to make it like super simple because it shouldn't be like I mean some people are very ritual and it's funny that you mentioned like paganism earlier because the the entire reason I couldn't get into like true witchiness is because there's so much ritual behind it and I'm very much so much ritual. I'm like I'm never gonna remember all this like and some people are super good at it. Like I have some friends that are like oh and you have to you have to do your circle and you have to lay everything out and I'm like that's cool and I love that for you but I need like 30 seconds where I can list all my gratitude thank my guides ask for protection and then go about my day I'm the same the the the deep ritualism of like the witchcraft is so uh it feels like work.

Frank:

Yeah for sure again I'm a Sagittarius I'm allergic to work.

Lauren:

That's a word relate.

Frank:

Yeah I love the vibes but like you know at the end of the day you after doing all the research that we have with the the the show and stuff it's like oh that's salt and this and that and I'm like well that's for intention and salt is a crystal so I got plenty of those already it's like you know there's it's just a witchcraft is a different brand of this you know it's a very vibey brand. Yeah it's like hey you want to are you a postmetal band or are you emo? Because the difference is you're gonna swoop your hair down in your face. It's a look it's a vibe. Yeah that's funny.

Lauren:

If there's a like spell or something that has like more than three or four steps I'm like I'm too tired.

Erin:

Well and again I think that goes back to like yeah like the human experience thing that we were talking about before like right at the end of the day it's like we're parents we're working we're trying to like you know balance our personal life and our professional life and do all of these things and sometimes you're like damn I'm tired like I don't want to do a whole ass ritual like time now.

Frank:

Yep like I'm like let me throw some rosemary and basil on a green candle and get some money come in my way and call it a yeah oh wait I like that yeah super simple rosemary and basil on a green candle okay that I can do yes now you're speaking my language I have everything here we're good great and you can use the stuff that's in your cupboard you don't have to like like don't feel like oh I need to go to the the witch store or the crystal store and get like like basil is basil rosemary is rosemary like sorry what were you gonna say oh I was gonna just ask you more about like some more of the the grounding and shielding because I I want to run something by you that I found works for me and I want to see uh having the limited amount of tangible I'm more of an I'm more of an emotional uh intuitive I don't have like the tangible stuff always so I like to ask people like you like if this do you have some confirmation that this is actually functional.

Erin:

Okay.

Frank:

I used to do a lot of shielding and I'm like I I my shield sucks my my my shield is more of a cheese grater and it's just like that's not good. So something that I've found since I've I've learned more about Reiki is uh there's a grounding exercise where you are like calling in energy into your body and I always say it's like filling up your body like an ice cube tray. Let it fill you up right and then they also say but pull up pull energy up from the ground and have it meet in the heart. Yep and then in the heart center you then broadcast. And I've found that I'm a better broadcaster of energy than I am a filter. So if I can like exude a positivity it's more of like a a more to me it feels like a more radiating like pushing it out. Yeah or yeah like pushing out like good vibes that are stronger than the bad vibes and hopefully I can influence the people who are having those bad days around me rather than trying to like you know put a put on a a suit of arm armor.

Erin:

That sounds completely logical to me yes okay yes I love that actually and it's funny that you mentioned also about like um uh drawing up from the earth because you can also discharge back down right so like if you have if you feel like oh I'm stuck here or I'm stuck here and you can visualize like sending it back or returning it back to the earth that's a good way as well. Another thing is um finding the element that you connect with so you guys are both fire signs. So it would be candle gazing or building a bonfire or something like that that connects you to your element that helps you feel grounded and cleared. So like when you like for water signs I find that almost all of them are like oh I'm going to the beach to clear my energy or I'm gonna take a shower and clear my energy and earth signs are like I'm literally just going to sit down right here on the ground. Like my my vibe is like oh there's some grass like this is this is perfect like right here like oh there's a lovely little picnic table in the park and there's nothing else around it I'm gonna sit at the table and just put my feet down in the earth. And then air signs it's um using either like the breeze or using like um smoke cleansing like using palosanto or sage or something like that.

Frank:

So you this makes sense because sometimes when I'm feeling big emotions I want to throw myself into a fire.

Erin:

Utilizing your element is like it really helps and and again I feel like a lot of people do it and don't even realize that like or don't make the connection like oh I'm a fire sign so I XYZ or I'm an earth sign so I ABC like I I feel like some people just do it and don't even realize they're doing it. But there's so many different ways that you can ground and clear yourself using elements that and it's like everyday stuff like I said drinking a glass of water taking a shower um eating dark chocolate and sea salt together.

Frank:

Yes please I mean yeah right can we and that works for everybody. That works for everybody universal side this is actually kind of funny because since we've hit autumn we I we whipped out our box of fall decorations so all the candles came out and I've been lighting them up every day but they're they're all I have things lit behind me right here. And you know like yesterday I forgot to light them because I was just I got busy like immediately. Yeah and like I just felt I felt a little dead inside I'll be honest.

Erin:

Yeah.

Frank:

So like today was literally the first thing I'm like I've gonna make the kids breakfast nope candles first. No starting the ritual yeah and it just makes it feel like our house is more alive and like it it fills it fills my my joy it fills up my joy cup a little bit. Yeah I love that and maybe that's maybe that's because of little Sagittarius action.

Lauren:

Wait this is funny because Jean our daughter is a Capricorn and she keeps blowing out the candles she's very sensitive to smell so she's like can I not smell that anymore hold on I have to blow this one out like that one doesn't even smell oh my god we're just battling constantly that is funny.

Erin:

Oh the other thing I was gonna say is if you um want to try working directly with um either archangels or elementals or I go down the list and I'm like spirit guides, ancestors family members who have passed dragons mermaids fairies like whatever you feel pulled to energetically there's been different times throughout my spiritual practice where I'm like oh I'm super interested in like archangels or I'm super interested in fairies or whatever it is on any given time there's like something draws me to it and then I find oh I needed um you know I'm just using this as an example because it's an easy one Archangel Michael is protection like oh I needed a little extra protection so I'll visualize blue around me and that's Michael. Like that's the easiest way to do it. Or I want to be um a little more uh whimsical or like fanciful in my practice that's very energy. I am looking for um you know there's there's different um also even going back to like what I was talking about with like ancestors and family members, it's like, oh I know that Uncle Pete was brilliant at logic and organizing and I'm looking to be more organized in my life. So utilizing the strengths of people or spirits in your team or that you find yourself drawn to or interested in helps you to better protect yourself energetically as well because you're utilizing those strengths for those to become your strengths as well. That's great.

Frank:

That is fun. Yeah I just started and I'm I'm I'm back and forth on it. I've talked about it on the podcast a little bit but I haven't fully jumped into it yet. I just started a little bit of an ancestor veneration practice. I've mostly of grandparents and great grandparents. So I just printed out a bunch of their phot I have like an instant printer over here. Printed out little photos of them when they were like at their best and I have a little box over there that I and I I one of my grandparents did a like I think it was I just learned about it. I think it's called Spiritism but in in Cuba so he was like a a hands healer person. Whatever their brand of that was never got to meet the guy. But I have a picture of him over here and as I'm going into my Reiki practice I'm like oh I think I'm gonna like light a candle and have a quick conversation just be like dude can you help me out a little bit like let's do this you know yeah I'm actually pretty excited to do that. I haven't done it yet though.

Erin:

That's actually like exactly what I'm talking about. Like what what you just described is like that's it. That's literally it. And it it doesn't like I was saying before it doesn't need to be anything like crazy or over the top literally just having the picture and or visualizing them. And also um something that you mentioned about never having met him it doesn't necessarily matter if you knew each other on this plane of existence. Our ancestors look out for us regardless. So they have a a presence um in spirit to kind of look over us and help guide us in the right direction. So and and especially like when you feel connected to someone who you you share that experience with like you're both healers it it just makes sense. Like it makes good sense for you to connect directly with someone like that.

Frank:

Yeah.

Erin:

Although I have been warned that sometimes some ancestors could overstep a bit but I I don't I feel like it comes from a like a good place like and it's just like any family member right where it's like they want to give you advice but it's kind of like either not applicable or it's not it's not modern where it's like oh maybe you should try this practice and and then you have to be like sir like this is 2025 like we can't do that. Like what what you did like back in in I don't know the 20s 40s 50s whatever like we don't do that anymore.

Frank:

I will not use leeches to cure that disease I don't care what you say we don't do that anymore.

Lauren:

We can't find that I don't know where the leeches are anymore.

Frank:

Leeches were that's funny.

Lauren:

Oh my God. What a delightful conversation.

Frank:

Yeah seriously thank you so much for hanging out with us today. Can you give everybody your plugs to tell them where to find you absolutely thank you.

Erin:

So you can check me out on Instagram it's at psychic mediumAaron Lee. I'm also on Facebook same thing PsychicMedium Aaron Lee um or you can even text me directly that's totally fine with me as well it's 954 274 5477. I just I love making new acquaintances and it was such a joy spending time with you guys and getting to know you and your family.

Frank:

I am Aaron have a great rest of your day and we'll we'll uh we'll catch you soon. Yeah thanks thank you for listening visit ClareVoyaging.com for merchandise or to access free resources to help you on your spiritual journey subscribe to our Patreon for more content or join for free to chat with us Clarevoyaging is a fiscally sponsored project of Fractured Atlas a 501c3 charity make a tax deductible donation to support our mission to foster understanding respect and curiosity for diverse spiritual belief systems. Claire Voyaging is a production of Wayfeather Media

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