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090: Halloween Horror Hangout // with John A. Rice & Adrienne Acevedo Lovette

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Filmmakers and best friends Adrienne Acevedo Lovette and John A. Rice share how intuition, dreams, and tarot quietly guide their creative work—and why treating the supernatural as a teacher, not a threat, makes their stories hit deeper.

We talk about real encounters with the unseen, the fine art of blending spirituality with storytelling, and how authentic experiences breathe life into horror without the clichés. From ghostly inspirations to low-budget brilliance, this episode is a love letter to creativity, mystery, and the magic that haunts great filmmaking.

Enjoy the episode, then tell us: should the ghost be the mentor, not the menace? If this resonated, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review to help more curious listeners find the show.

Watch their iPhone short horrors:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up367x7GcUs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_RFDSb36Eo

John's website: https://www.jarstudionyc.com/

Adrienne's website: http://www.adriennelovette.com/

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Lauren:

This is Halloween. This is Halloween. Halloween. Halloween. Halloween. Hey, Halloween monsters! In today's spooky episode, we chatted with our pals Adrian Oceveto Lovette and John A. Rice. They are writers and filmmakers who often write horror films. We talked about how their spiritual understanding and experiences affect their writing, as well as dreams, past lives, and tarot. I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank:

Whoa! Whoa!

Lauren:

Oh. Whoa! I'm the Oogie Boogie Man! Oh, you're joking! You're joking! I can't believe my ears! We are a married couple. It's true. Learning how to develop our own intuition. And this is Spooky Halloween episode 91 of Claire Voyaging.

Frank:

Hey!

Lauren:

Hi, Fred!

Frank:

Is that Spooky?

Lauren:

Guys, we've got a great one today.

Frank:

We've got a fresh one.

Lauren:

On All Hollows Eve.

Frank:

Hey, real quick, has anybody noticed that for Halloween, I dress like me?

Lauren:

Just slightly more cloaked.

Frank:

It's just a longer hoodie. It's just a longer hoodie.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Is a cloak.

Lauren:

And then sometimes there's a dagger.

Frank:

Yeah, I'm not going to wear the dagger this year. I just feel like this isn't the season for daggers. Politically climate season is why.

Lauren:

Are you going to bring your your staff trick-or-treating? It's kind of heavy. Frank made a staff a few years ago.

Frank:

It only works if you say it like that, a staff.

Lauren:

A staff.

Frank:

Well, it has some staff in the streets. I'm going to pass out some scones.

Lauren:

Scones. Yeah, it has a crystal ball at the end. It's very cool.

Frank:

This is previous. This is your wizard.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

This was pre-voyage. We bought wizard cloaks and I made a staff with a crystal, an actual crystal ball on it.

Lauren:

We're sorcerers.

Frank:

It was just always in the cards, I guess.

Lauren:

I think so. In the tarot cards. Before we get to the episode, a couple of notes. Guys, if you like Claire Voyaging, the show, please don't forget to share your favorite episodes with a friend. And give us some follows on TikTok, Instagram, or YouTube.

Frank:

We're all over the place. We're everywhere. You know what we realized? We uh in in in the podcasting world, a call to action is a big deal. And we never say, hey, go find us, we're all the other places we are. If you're if you go find us on socials, the some of the stuff that doesn't make the show, we post it there, it's usually in the form of Lauren and I being complete jackasses.

Lauren:

But yeah, usually made-up songs or weird uh jokes that just come out of nowhere.

Frank:

We're laughing at ourselves a lot.

Lauren:

Often. And most of the time. Yeah. And also, if you want to see extra clips or behind the scenes that aren't on our socials, remember you can join our Patreon and it's only four dollars per month.

Frank:

So what?

Lauren:

Frank?

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

It is four dollars per month. That's so cheap. Also, Frankie, we recently announced that your Reiki services are available. So, guys, go book an appointment with Mr. Steamy Biscuits himself.

Frank:

So I don't think that's gonna sell anybody.

Lauren:

Frank, let them know about the current offer you have. Still limited time.

Frank:

We're still working some stuff out, figuring out exactly what kind of services I'm offering. Or I should say it's evolving. But right now, the the standard that I recommend, we're going to do a quick like assessment, a little body scan, uh, and then we're gonna do a little discussion. If you want. If you want, you don't have to, but if you want it, you and I can talk a little bit. You know, as if you've been a fan of the show for a long time, you know that we've discovered that my intuitive abilities are naturally in the form of empathy and feeling your feelings. But because of my my busy, busy brainy Waney, I have a tendency to be able to like give a little bit of guidance. Call it intuitive guidance if you want. That's what I call it.

Lauren:

Me too.

Frank:

But yeah, so that's the thing. And then after we discuss just a little bit, it's gonna be Reiki from there. So you get to just chill out and relax. If you don't want any of the talkie part, I'll just give you some rain.

Lauren:

Just say it. Just tell them. Don't don't don't don't go digging around, man. I will just make me relax. Just tell them shut your trap.

Frank:

Shut shut your trap, please. There's a shut your trap option when you're signing up.

Lauren:

So just click that.

Frank:

Um another thing that I want to throw out there is in case she didn't check, uh, Lauren and I are offering uh like a neck we call it a next steps consultation. So if you um are experiencing, you know, I guess I'll say paranormal or psychic or or or any kind of intuitive phenomenon, and you kind of want to know where to move next, uh, what you should do, who you should talk to, or what you should look into in terms of like different practices, you can book us. It's free.

Lauren:

And it's just a quick half hour.

Frank:

Yeah, quick 30 minutes just to like talk about it, discuss it and see what's up. If you have any questions about that stuff, we want to offer that for you guys because you know we feel like that's important and that's what we would have wanted when we first started this journey.

Lauren:

Or if like you have a kid that you're like, I don't know what to do, that's a that's what that's available for also. Or if you're just like, I need some, I need to get some guidance from somebody and I don't know which practitioner, we often recommend people. So, you know, but we can kind of connect you to the right person. We we vibe things out and we say, based on personality and what you need, this person would be the right one for you. So if you want to chat with us, book, book it.

Frank:

Please do. And if you're not familiar along the lines of that consultation, we do have a directory of all the people that offer services, the all the people that we've interviewed. It's on our website, it's under resources. So go check it out. It's uh their contact information, where they're located, all and what their specialties are. And lastly, I am offering uh once a week a one hour of free Reiki. So um, if you are interested, but you don't know exactly what it is or how it's gonna work for you or what your reaction is gonna be to it, like go book me. It's it's book them. I'm only available to do this kind of session like once a week. I don't want cost to be prohibitive at all. Uh that's why I'm we're that's why we're doing these things. That's why I'm doing these things. So um, I want to help out, guys. So let me know what you need. We've got a couple sessions. A couple people have found that already, by the way.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Uh without us even saying it anything. So uh go go poke around our website. There's a section that says workshops in Reiki, and you're gonna see a bunch of stuff in there. And Lauren's workshops are coming soon.

Lauren:

It's coming. ClaireVoyaging.com.

Frank:

Yeah, go check it out.

Lauren:

Yeah, we're excited.

Frank:

We're very excited. I think this is you one might say that maybe the entire culmination, this is the the culmination of the last two years of our our inner work and our it's now it's coming out.

Lauren:

It's finally making sense. It feels good.

Frank:

Not to say Frank and Lauren are stress-free and doing everything we need to be, but this is part of life, right? This is this is how we're presenting now, and I'm pretty excited about that.

Lauren:

Yeah, it feels very aligned. So super exciting. And now I think that was all the announcements and updates we have. So let's get to our episode. We thought it would be fun to bring Adrian back for another Halloween episode. Well, why not make it a tradition if we can?

Frank:

Please.

Lauren:

And since she and John Rice are writing partners who make horror films, it felt like the perfect combo. Right? It was just such a great conversation. What a fun, just a lot of laughs.

Frank:

Honestly, just a lot of dream stories. A dream team.

Lauren:

Yeah. Yeah. But now, like I want to write with them. Oh, the four of us.

Frank:

I just want to be near them while they're writing. Yeah, yeah.

Lauren:

I just want to be a fly on the wall.

Frank:

I'll just sit on the couch and make stupid comments. I don't care.

Lauren:

Like a couple I they had a couple ideas that popped up while we were talking. Yeah. It was just a great time.

Frank:

So maybe I throw out some ideas. Maybe they were bad. I don't know. You'll be the judge.

Lauren:

I don't know. They said, oh, hey, we might use that.

Frank:

Because that's what nice people say.

Lauren:

When secretly they like wrote it down and then they threw it away. This guy is so cool.

Frank:

Cool, light this on fire. This is bad.

Lauren:

Great. Good to know. And dust that one off. Okay, guys. Please enjoy the episode and happy Halloween. Happy Halloween.

Frank:

Wait, happy, happy Halloween.

Lauren:

Oh yeah. And happy, happy Halloween. Voyagers, you are in for a Halloween special. We have two guests with us today. They are currently silent in their Halloween masks. If you could see them on video, you would love this. We have Adrian, Asavedo Lavette, and John A. Rice with us. Hello. Hi, you spooky creeps. Hi guys. Oh my god. Happy Halloween, friends. Okay, so our listeners have met both of you in different areas, but the fun part is that you guys are best friends. You are also co-writers and filmmakers. You make horror, like thriller movies together. Today I want to talk about intuition and ghosty stories and how that kind of feeds into your storytelling and writing. If you haven't heard last year's Halloween episode, it featured sweet, wonderful Adrian. We went on a journey in Duluth, Minnesota, of all places, and we did our own little paranormal investigation at the famous Glen Sheen Mansion. We did a paranormal investigation. But we also got some fun stories from Adrian, and it was really great to hear all about your abilities that you were like, oh, by the way, yeah, I see ghosts all the time. Yeah. I mean, you know. So fill us in a little more.

Adrienne:

Yeah. So uh that was that's something that I've always been able to do as a child. And then so it's funny because it's always been that I could see them and then my mom can hear them. So it was it was kind of like we both had this ability, and then together we're we're one, you know. But um, but most of the time I see them or um they'll do activity around me uh so that it's like so that they make themselves aware. And actually, funny enough, last night it happened, um, and my husband was like, I swear this light wasn't on. Did you turn this light on? I said, No, I didn't turn it on. And he was and and he was just like it turned on. Like he just got really like nervous. And I was like, Yeah, they're just saying hi. You know. And um, you know, like even recently, again, it was like I was we were sleeping, and all of a sudden in the middle of the night, the TV turned on and and and the speaker, because the TV and the speaker are two different, they don't connect. Like you have to turn on the TV and then you have to turn on the speaker, and um like the those like sound bars on the top. Yeah. Oh, that's right.

Frank:

You had a whole story about that happening.

Adrienne:

Yeah, and it was just it's happened again where like it the TV turns on and then this the speaker turns on really loud. And and so um when that happens, I'm always like, what is it? Is something happening outside? Like I think I always think that they're warning me uh about something happening. Yeah, and and I like looked outside, I was like, is someone trying to steal my car? You know, like that kind of thing.

Frank:

Yeah.

Adrienne:

Um, but uh a lot of times too, it's just uh uh either an entity here that's been in this land or this house or um uh you know are still around, um, or it's a family member or someone I've known that's passed away that is like, hey, you know, and and there's like sometimes no rhyme or reason why they're just like, hey, remember me, you know, and then I'm just like, hey, yeah, yeah, whoever it is, you know, and so and then when it's a visual, it it comes in either they look like a person, which is confusing, like like uh like a solid entity. I just yeah, or they they come, you know, kind of I guess like in movies where you see they're kind of see-through and ghostly and not that clear, and but you can see the formation of the body. And then sometimes they come in um once in a blue moon, it's like a shadow figure, um, which usually is more of a negative entity, and then uh occasionally they'll come in wisps, like little light wisps that kind of go like around the room. Um and those are usually not negative, those are positive, but there's a lot happening. Um and so yeah, I mean, it's just uh something that I've always been able to do. I mean, my my mom and I are on the I guess you could say on the psychic spectrum. Like sometimes I'll get visions or uh things that I'll have to tell someone, like, hey, you should, you know, whatever, you know, be careful with this, or you shouldn't be with this guy, you know, that kind of thing. But it's always that.

Lauren:

Yeah, it's never the right one. Right, right.

Frank:

Lauren hears that like daily. You shouldn't do it anymore.

Lauren:

Stop it. But you know, I mean, it's when you was there anything that um just curious, like when the TV turned on, was there anything playing that was like, oh, that was an interesting message, or was it just like totally random, or you didn't even like think about it?

Adrienne:

Well, when the TV turned on, it was like an action film. So, you know, I don't know what that message was.

Frank:

I mean, it's better than like flipping through the channels, and it's like, get out of the house. There's nothing on TV tonight.

Adrienne:

We're gonna use that in a movie.

Lauren:

I actually love that I can tell my cut down.

John:

To be honest, my mind's already going.

Lauren:

I know. I was like, I'm gonna feel that. I already have a whole scene planned.

Frank:

Perfect. Oh, that's so funny. Oh my gosh. Okay, so hold on. Before we we uh do a quick recap on on John, I want to ask you a a quick question, Adrian. This is this is a theory I've been developing, and I haven't really been able to ask anybody yet. Does your do you think, and you might not initially have an answer to this, but do you think the way you see spirit, do you think it changes based on maybe your emotions and your your vibration on that day? Or is it like can you like to your left I have a wisp, and to the right I have like a shadow guy? Or or is it always like kind of on let's say on that day presenting the same?

Adrienne:

That's a good question. I never thought about it um manifesting or coming up or showing up uh depending on my emotional state. Yeah. Um I've I haven't really clocked that. I really should pay attention to that and see, you know, if how they're coming through. Is it because of the way that I am perceiving my emotions in the world at that moment? Um, and that could be, that could be a factor, you know. I mean, everything is energy. So, you know, we can affect you know energy around us as well. So that that could be a possibility. I usually it seems to me, at least when like a dark entity comes and a dark shadow comes, I've never seen it in my own house. Like that's not something that I've ever seen in my own house. It's always been in another location that was new to me. And so anytime I've seen like a shadow figure uh or a you know, a negative entity, it's been funny enough, every time now that I analyze it, it's always been at a hotel. Um, and that's the times that I've actually seen them was in a hotel room. Uh, and specifically the one that I was staying in. So something, you know, I mean, hotels are like, oh gosh, like I feel like a beacon of of energies. And um, right, that was the other story.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah, story with your your friend. You guys were at a hotel.

Adrienne:

Yeah, yeah. And um, and I don't know if I told you the other story when I was attacked by an entity.

Frank:

I think you did, yeah.

Adrienne:

I think that was.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Adrienne:

Yeah. And so that was in a hotel. So I I feel like um when that happens, it's just there's so many energies that come through, and people bring people along, and then there's, you know, it's just so yeah, yeah.

Frank:

That's interesting. Okay.

Adrienne:

That's a good question. I never thought of that.

Frank:

I don't know. Something something I'm working on. I don't I'm not working on anything, I'm just asking questions.

Lauren:

Something I'm working on.

Frank:

And then, and then John, correct me if I'm wrong. Born spooky made an awesome deck, right? Yes.

Lauren:

And if you haven't heard John's episode, he created a beautiful deck called Mindscape's Tarot.

Frank:

It's so nice.

Lauren:

And he's he illustrated it, and it's so beautiful. Tell us to also, you have a new book, which is a Halloween book.

John:

Specifically spooky book. Yes, yes. Uh yeah. So I yeah. I mean, I I was born spooky. I was always interested in that sort of stuff, but I don't see ghosts. I only see alive people.

Lauren:

Um but I don't see them either. It's okay.

John:

Yeah. Uh yeah, I mean, I wish. I wish I did. Um, in all fairness, Adrian, we had known each other for like three years and we're living together until you even mentioned anything having to do with that. You were just like one day you were just like, There's like a guy in the corner. I was like, what are you talking about? A guy in the corner. And you were like, Yeah, I see ghosts. I was like, what are you talking about? We've been best friends for three years. How have I never heard anything about this?

Adrienne:

Yeah, that was in the beginning, like what because we've been now best friends for how long?

John:

It's been like since 2005 or six.

Adrienne:

Yeah, yeah. But in the beginning of our relationship, I just don't want to freak people out.

Frank:

Yeah, yeah.

Adrienne:

You know, like I don't tell everyone my spiritual capabilities or like, you know, that I I like to, you know, do energy healing and things like that. Like I don't really tell people uh right away because it it not everyone is into it, you know. Um and then also to be fair, it's like I'm you know, I'm not a practicing medium or psychic or you know, it's one of those things where it it's just like a a gift, you can say, that I are an ability that I have. And then, you know, it's I only share it with people that are like super, super close to me. We've known each other for a decent amount. And um, you know, I also didn't want people to come up to me, be like, hey, can you do me a reading? And I'm like, I'm not like that. You know, like it's just I don't want to disappoint you.

John:

Can confirm, can confirm that does happen.

Lauren:

Oh, really? Oh yeah, yeah, a lot.

John:

And I but the thing is I'm happy to do it and I enjoy doing it, but John's actually really good at it. The moment I tell people I'm reading a tarot deck, like that there's like a 50% chance of that question happening. Of course, yeah.

Lauren:

Like, do they expect that you have a deck in your pocket? And do you usually?

John:

No, but I should I guess I should start. Um no, it's more it's more just like acquaintances and people who I will probably see again, but they're like, Oh, wait, can you read my cards at some point? Yeah, and I am happy to, but Adrian, I do understand being hesitant to to shout it from the rooftops. But um I mean most professional psychics and mediums start that way. And how you said where it was just a gift, and they've simply chosen to make that their calling and help other people. Right.

Frank:

Oh yeah.

John:

We s we actually talked on the podcast a little bit through my tarot deck. Um a lot of people call my art channeled because I can't I envision the artwork, it just kind of appears in my head. And I got involved with a town called Lilydale in uh western New York that is just a town of psychic mediums. Practically everyone in the town is a registered medium, they all communicate with the other side. Um they all you know have clientele that they bring in, and and it's pretty it's a pretty regular thing every summer. But I now know like many psychic mediums. And it's exactly what you were saying, Adrian, with like it's just a gift that they have chosen to share with the wider world.

Lauren:

Sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Some yeah, a lot of people that we've talked to have been like, I couldn't, I couldn't not answer that poll because it was so strong that then they uh eventually decided to do it as a professional thing. But yeah, not everybody takes that takes that path, and it's just kind of like this background thing.

Frank:

It is interesting to note though, like at least on on our show, like we uh we are always almost always talking to people who are psychics uh they're psychic like practitioners, right? So it is very fun to like talk to you two who you're you have a bunch of other stuff you do, but also you know and you see it in our films.

John:

I mean, that's the only funny thing is that it comes out.

Frank:

Yeah.

Lauren:

That's what I was gonna ask you next, is like because so could because Frank and I are writers too, and we haven't written anything in the horror genre at all. But every time we we like watching scary movies, and it's so funny. I feel like the spiritual aspect can like inform you differently as a writer, because sometimes we're like, I don't know, we'd want to be more like grounded in we're not gonna make tarot like a scary thing or whatever. Like, how does it inform you guys when you're writing stuff? Are you like, let's be more in like reality or let's make this as scary as possible?

Frank:

And sub question the classic tropes that you know, as writers, you know, your viewer your viewers are expecting to see some things, and it's okay because that's how you like signal that what type of movie this is, right? But but how do you address the the classic tropes? Like, you know, being someone who makes tarot, like do you always do the scary cards, or you know, like how does it present for you?

John:

Well, now I feel bad. Like now when I'm writing, I'm like, uh, people just expect like the devil card and then somebody dies or whatever.

Frank:

Right.

John:

But but you now you know better. And and now, like, I mean, I made my deck several years ago. Before then, maybe I was less sensitive to it, but now I'm sort of like, okay, well, how can I take what I'd have learned about tarot, about these esoteric communities, and how can I write a script that is compelling based on the truth of those communities? So it's just another way of thinking about it. But I do find personally, whenever I write horror, even if it's like kind of slashery, there's almost always a supernatural element to it. And I think that I've just always been drawn toward that sort of gray area in life. I just think that's where the interesting things happen. You know, going from what we know into what we don't know.

Adrienne:

Well, yeah, I, you know, for me, I guess because um so much of my um history with uh spiritual aspects or metaphysics is is you know more psychic related or uh spirit related. Um anytime that we do any kind of film, I do kind of draw toward some of the reality, but if I do too much reality, it kind of gets boring. You know, because it it really isn't like, you know, at least for me, uh experiencing spirits is not it's not what you see in the films. It's not so extreme, you know. Like I I think every film takes a creative liberty because they know they have to entertain. If I was doing something factual, it would have just been a ghost in a corner and then that was it. And you're like, well, that was exciting. You know, like you want to see like the spirit throwing things around and throwing you around and throwing, you know, someone's gotta get thrown around. Never that extreme. And so, um, you know, I I have been actually wanting to write a film in the metaphysical realm that has nothing to do with horror or thriller, and and in fact, maybe like a drama um that that uses uh metaphysics. And uh my mom actually pitched me an idea, which I was like, I like that, you know, I actually like the idea.

Lauren:

So uh I love that my mom was pitching me a movie idea, but um, you know that's amazing.

Adrienne:

But it was but it was in the metaphysics and in and in um reincarnation and all this stuff, and I was just like, I actually really like that idea. So just kind of have to figure out how to make it into a compelling story, you know.

Frank:

I know because if you lean into like the app like the reality of things, uh every one of your movies is gonna be like, and then everything was okay. It wasn't so bad.

Lauren:

Or like, I don't know, I've had ideas that then it's like, but how do you put that into a film without it feeling like so dorky or like right easy, you know what I mean? Like there's there's that like how do you how do you have like a film where there's a communication with like a spirit and it's like really sweet and not like I don't know, Casper the friendly thing it's almost like the supernatural element can't be the scary thing.

John:

It's like the scary thing is the thing that is actually grounded in reality and how like yeah, people hurt one another here, and the supernatural element is sort of almost like the mentor force. You know what I mean? That's like the the thing that allows the the protagonist to kind of solve the mystery or like move forward, but it's it's not the scary thing in and of itself. We should write that.

Adrienne:

We should write that, John. That's our next film. There you go. We're already brainstorming. Because I love that. I love that idea.

John:

I was just gonna say, did you see there was a scary movie, scary thriller that came out recently called Presents by Steven Soderbergh?

Adrienne:

I've been thinking about that today.

John:

That's excellent.

Adrienne:

It was excellent.

John:

Kind of does what we just talked about.

Adrienne:

Right, yeah, exactly. That's cool.

Frank:

That's a that's like a uh but it's presented as like a standard haunted house, right? Is am I wrong? Or am I thinking someone else?

John:

It's like a haunted house turned on its head a little bit.

Frank:

Okay.

John:

I don't want to give too much away, but it's definitely worth watching. And the supernatural force isn't the antagonist. Got it.

Frank:

That's fun.

Lauren:

Yeah.

Frank:

Someone's doing it.

Lauren:

You guys are fundraising for something right now, or or in the world. Is it been pre-production?

Adrienne:

It's it's in development right now. It's um, yeah, it's a kind of like a genre-bending horror film feature called No One Leaves. And that one, that one we're um we're pitching, we're working on maybe getting a co-producing company. So we're doing that and dealing with meet meetings and um just also looking at basically raising the funds ourselves and getting investors ourselves. And you know, it's it's tricky because when you do get a co-producing company, it starts pivoting and changing, and and we really believe in the structure. It's a little different than usual, and and it you have so many genres of horror in one film, so it's super exciting and um oh that's right. Okay, yeah. Yeah, so so we'll see. You know, we're we're we're really gunning for this one. We think it's gonna be um a super fun one to make. And you know, like as a filmmaker, and it's funny because I feel like all of us are such peaceful, loving, happy, you know what I mean? Like we're we don't look like people that are making horror films in in retrospect, you know.

Lauren:

Like I think people look at me and they're like, You're you have such a sweet face, and then I'm just like, I make

Adrienne:

horror movies you know um look like look horror and i feel like john and i are such like kind hearted people and it's so funny because him and i we're actors as well and we tend to play villains a lot and like you know like i i play like this like angry brooding gunslinging villain and then and then john plays like the scary slasher you know stalker guys and things five no stilts hated yeah no stilts can you imagine me stalking somebody on stilts no that'd be amazing actually we didn't even create a character that that actually this is you just remind me of something back when I was in college um a friend of mine had these like really tall like chunky boots these like really high heel I mean they were like an eight inch almost like a stripper like heel and I put them on I was probably drunk but I like chased her down the hall and she had a Polaroid camera and took like a flash photo oh my god I have no idea where that photo ended up but I remember I literally look like the crooked man yeah in like in the conjuring I'm like in this hallway like towering above on these giant like stiletto boots or that's amazing that is horrible can confirm it's terrifying we need it we need to create a character like that for sure I just like make your height even higher yeah but the benefit though of that is that one if once you get too tall then you just have T-Rex arms there's no stabbing happening from a way up there. Yeah yeah but you know I think doing the the horror film where I think because we're so opposite I that's why we can dive into that world and and use our own fears and dramas and um turn them into some form of entertainment which is an odd way of healing but it kind of is in a weird way.

John:

It's catharsis it's like you see it on screen and you can and it ends and you've survived and everybody you know and and you can come out of it almost like I I feel like that's a very powerful psychological thing. I think that's why so many people like horror and I think that's probably why we gravitate toward it.

Adrienne:

I think it's a combination of that and then if you if you look at our history how we've evolved with violence which sounds like a terrible thing to say but if you think about like even a caveman surviving and and trying not to get eaten by a wild animal it there's always been some aspect of violence within our um within our uh growth as as a human as humans right and so I think now because we're you know we're not living in the dark ages where it seemed like everyone was getting murdered every day in front of our eyes yeah it's like it like manifests as like films in a way which it's interesting but um yeah scratches an intellectual or uh instinctual itch or something.

Lauren:

Yeah right exactly like that's such a great way to think about it though to John like the the like watching someone survive is is especially some like horrifying trauma you're like watching it lay out and like see them they're they're gonna be pretty emotionally scarred but you're watching them actually like survive you made it you know and we feel like we made it when we see that you know yeah right wait I want to hear I feel like John had at least one story about Lily Dale.

John:

Yeah it in the Dale um in the dale Lily Dale uh I got invited to do some seances with some of the mediums there and um they were like classic Victorian red light seances and for people who don't know what that is basically you go into a room and um often the room is like it has like curtains all around just to kind of contain and and and um eliminate any sound that might come from the outside. It's completely dark except for a single red light bulb. And there's a chair often it can it used to be inside an actual cabinet like in a cabinet with a door that closes. That's why it's called the mediums cabinet. But then the mediums take turns or I guess there can just be one medium going into the cabinet and connecting with the spirit and delivering messages to people who are who are gathered there. And in the seances that I went to there were you know well established mediums who went into the cabinet and connected with different spirits and and different messages came through. But then they were also open to anyone going and sitting in the cabinet and getting into sort of a meditative receptive state and seeing if anything came through for them. Because one of the tenets of spiritualism in Lilydale is that everyone has the capacity to be a a medium. Everyone can do this you just have to train your mind to get quiet and and receive the messages. So I went into the cabinet several times and I started bringing a notepad with me and a piece of charcoal because sometimes these messages can manifest as automatic drawing which is where you uh you want to completely clear your mind and allow a spirit to basically inhabit your body and draw through your hand. There is another form of that called mental mediumship where you stay in control. You're just kind of like transcribing a message that you might be receiving. They're two very different things and I tried both but um some really cool things came through and uh again like I don't know I try not to parse it too deeply because I think that that kind of ruins the the mystery of it. But um I don't know if it's an entity or my own subconscious mind but some really cool drawings came through and like you can see of course there's like scribbles but then you can see clearly like faces and animals and structures and and like landscape forms and um I took that process home and I've started to create an an Oracle deck out of these drawings. Yeah so it's basically just I you know I'll write a book and I'll describe the process that kind of journals each channeling session and what came through what I saw in the drawings. But I want it to be very interpretive so people can just kind of draw a card and see what they see in it, you know, ask a question and see what they see to get some sort of guidance. So that was my experience in the spirit cabinet at Lilydale soon to be a card deck.

Frank:

That is really cool wait Lauren explain Oracle cards real quick. I don't think we've ever talked about on the show.

John:

Maybe John's the one to explain an Oracle deck can be whatever you want. Like you know tarot and there's another uh card reading tradition called Lenormond that I'm also doing a deck for um they have more established structures so like each card means a specific thing or represents a specific archetype in Oracle decks it can literally be whatever you want. It's almost like um it's on the audience or the viewer to interpret what they're seeing. So you can you can have symbols you can have words you can have pictures like whatever anything goes that's what an Oracle deck is.

Lauren:

That's dangerous for me and you because I feel like at some point we're gonna be like we are going to create an art you absolutely should you absolutely make so many fart jokes on cards.

Frank:

I don't know what's going on that's literally going to be the entire deck yeah ah this fart. Wait so for that Oracle deck because some Oracle decks will be like you know it'll have a really cool piece of art and then on the back it'll be like this this black cat sees you and says how is your day going and you are led to your inner guidance for and it's like oh are you are you drafting up like these little stories or is it just the image?

John:

In my deck it's gonna be just the image. I want it to be completely just what came through. But that's the beauty of an Oracle deck is that it can be multimedia like you can have a picture and then a word or even like a phrase or like a snippet of a poem or something that you have like it's kind of cool that it can it can just be whatever you want to communicate. Yeah but actually hold on I just realized literally right over here I have my folder of these drawings that I've been doing like in this for example like in this one like you clearly see like eyes and like it's a bit of a Picasso.

Adrienne:

Right I mean right like you can see you can see the face you can see like you can see faces or like facial structures and right but I mean you can flip it they can be read in any direction that you want um that's really cool.

John:

Yeah I mean I did like with different color charcoals and stuff.

Frank:

Yeah I did want to ask you like what what is your latest film and and you said um well hold on is this the film that you're raising funds for or is it the film that is okay can we hear a little bit about it? Or give us the log line?

Adrienne:

Yeah for sure I mean it's it's a a a group of strangers that um are kind of like tied up, beat up they have no idea how they got where they are tied up in they're tied up in a quant set. And um yeah it it starts right away like it goes and they kind of start accusing each other. They have no idea how they got there but um eventually when they leave um their own traumas manifest as their own horror film. So every person's trauma is is you know a different genre of horror basically that's so cool. Yeah and and we find out more of exactly what's going on in the end but um but yeah it's a very exciting I think it's a very exciting film. It's also just super fun for actors to like have their own like mini horrors and then um I I feel like it would be great for a cinematographer because you're hitting so many genres and and the art department multi-genre thing would come into play yeah. Yeah uh-huh so one of the characters is a a war veteran another character there's uh set of brother brothers who are podcasters who uh were abducted and so that's their trauma and things like that. So I think it's it's gonna be a really fun one to to check out.

Frank:

Oh that sounds so cool. That's yeah what's the title?

Adrienne:

No one leaves no one leaves that's so fun and that and that actually the idea of that came up in a dream because John and I wrote like a ton of blog lines and we're pitching each other different film ideas for like a month. And then you know because we were like well what's gonna what's the next film that we're gonna write and co-write together and focus on and um and then I had I had this crazy dream about this and I I pitched it to John and John was like this is it and then we were like okay great let's go and so um we co-wrote it I think it took us what like two months to write we're in our um technically I would say like our third draft uh but uh yeah I mean it's we really love it. We think it's gonna be a a good time and but also like horrifying at the same time which is what you want for a horror film. Yeah and uh it's an ensemble piece has a Latina lead technically and I I say that just because of the structure is a little different. We're taking uh artistic risks on the structure but uh you know I I think uh a good example of a film that just did that was weapons and so and that had a very good um uh turnout I guess and and a lot of people loved and we loved it so and they took artistic risks on their structure as well so you know um yeah we're we're excited and I but I feel like you know with dreams they they really are telling and um gosh there's just so much so much you can get from it and I feel like I've had dreams where I knew was a past life you know where it was almost like a past life memory of some sort that have popped in you know and manifested and I was like whoa that was a little too real you know yeah I don't know have you guys ever had dreams like that where you were like I know this is a past life recollection.

Frank:

I've never had a dream like that I want to so we we we oh man we are threatening nonstop on the show to really look um get an expert on the human design are you familiar with human design yes yes we've been talking about it nonstop but we haven't found like someone who actually wants to come on and like talk I think because it's such a in-depth yeah it's hard to like very detail like here's what human design is without like then getting into each thing and if you don't know what it is then it's like how is this helping? But I I do a lot of reading and digging and um so I just recently found out in human design there's a concept of like everyone has their like um how they interact with the world. You know I we Lauren and I are both called manifesting generators but we have I'm a manifesting generator as well yeah I think I am too I think it's a so the way in general the way that's supposed to work out is that we are best when we are responding to something. You guys just like Lauren and I have you guys have set up a system where you are pitching to each other and then you get some kind of affirmation and then it it builds this like you're like a uh like a nuclear reactor for creativity. Yeah you're just constantly responding to each other I want to put that on our websites nuclear reacting creation creators so what I did just find out is that when you are in a dream state or a sleep state you your type changes so and and that can reflect the way in which you dream and what you dream about. So for me I don't remember what I am I think you are a projector. I think it was a projector. And the majority of my dreams and I this is accurate uh the majority of my dreams are about protecting or trying to um so I have so many dreams where like the majority like like my daughter will do some dumb shit. I'll be like stop don't don't run into the street like you're gonna get hit by a car and I'll grab her just in time. It's always about like guarding or protecting or something.

Lauren:

Or there's an emergency and I am taking my time to get out the door and Frank so frustrated because I'm not listening.

Frank:

And going like decades back I can remember like one of my one of my more traumatic dreams was that there was some big event going on in the world and my dad who is as stubborn as I am I was just trying to convince him what was happening. I was like we need to go and he was like we don't need to go right now he's Cuban. Oh we don't need to go there's no rush there's no reason to do that right now I'm like Dad we gotta go so many of my dreams are about guarding and protecting and trying to like like contain something that's going on.

Adrienne:

Wow I I feel like I'm learning something about myself because that's exactly what I have a lot of dreams of where I'm always the one that's like why are you not understanding? Come on you know like it's always that kind of dream and it's like a family member friend my husband I'm like why would you do that? Come with me you know and so or shooting somebody but I'm trying to like protect everyone from this one person you know like yeah interesting that's how I that's how I dream too.

John:

It's great if you're a horror writer right Adrian you should mention we're doing something kind of cool and experimental um shooting mini short horror films. They might not all be horror eventually we might branch out in genres but right now we're doing these mini short horror films that we're shooting on an iPhone. And they're like good like they look great. The new iPhones are excellent but Adrian can talk more about this.

Frank:

Yeah I mean we we do I'm sorry I don't want to interrupt you I just want to say I I'm such a fan of minimalist production and not because of um laziness or anything like that but because of the the creative flow that you're allowed to get into and like how expensive some of these other projects can be when you're like I just shot a five minute scene and that comes out to being $2,000 a minute or something you know based on how however big your crew is.

Adrienne:

So say more about it please yeah so it's called iPhone Frights and we're we're basically releasing one a month. And yeah they're like these either they're two to five minutes long and we make these kind of like fun different horror genre shorts and um either I write them or John writes them and and we have so many talented actor friends that we just ask our actor friends hey do you want to be a part of this and and have something for your real but also just you know let's play you know because let's have fun and play because the industry is so bizarre right now and so weird um we're all auditioning but nothing's really happening and I have I even have friends who are who were just series regulars in different TV shows and and have had to go back to their workforce like the regular workforce because there hasn't been any bookings and it's we're all we're all working a side hustle right and you know we need something that keeps our creativity going and and our happiness going and um I associate uh creativity with happiness and so um where can you find are they on your YouTube or yeah they're on our YouTube channel The Garage Productions and um sometimes we'll release them on on Instagram or TikTok as well. We just started doing that. But um there's gonna be one hopefully I'm I'm like trying to edit it as quick as I can uh released on Halloween um called found you and um there they're you know it's amazing what you can do with the iPhone I I am I I learned a lot about it and I learned a lot about how to shoot on it and how to properly shoot on it and how to like you know change the frame rates and all this kind of stuff so that it can look more like a legit camera as opposed to a phone. Yeah and so the quality of them are actually pretty good especially for a a phone and um yeah I mean it's been a really fun creative tool uh because it allows us to experiment on genres, on styles that we would not normally be able to experiment on unless we're raising you know thousands of dollars to shoot another short film and we were like why don't we just experiment this way and it's it's been really really fun like we've all just been having so much fun working together in this capacity and then just having something really fun to share right after it. Yeah it's been and it as a director it's great because it allows me to experiment with genres and with styles and you know that kind of thing.

John:

So we shoot them in like three to four hours and like our last one we shot with literally three people it looks great. Like the the entire cast and crew three people well except it looks great except for the scene that I shot because I'm not a cinematographer so that's there's one scene that's like very mid. But um everything else everything else that Adrian shoots looks great. Just must be John scene.

Adrienne:

Yeah yeah you will literally you'll see it and you'll be like there it is there it is you know it's been really fun too because I'm directing but I'm also the cinematographer I'm also sound I'm also gaffing so like I'm doing all the jobs and and that's been fun for me too not to say that I want to do that all the time but you know with these shorts I I learn a lot by doing it. So um so yeah it's it's been a really a really fun tool almost guys thank you so much for hanging out with us tell us where to find your your projects give us all your plugs uh so uh you can find us in various locations but uh the garage productions uh we have a website called thegarageproductions dot com so thegarageproductions within us dot com and um also we have an Instagram same title the garage productions and then for myself it's literally my name so it's Adrian Acevedo love it and then you'll find a website with that name you'll find my Instagram with that name um directed I my my directing website is directed by Adrian Acevedo love it but it all interconnects so it's super easy to find me and um and find our work and you know help us make movies if you can support in that way. And yeah.

John:

And um my my socials are just my name it's john.a dot rice uh the website is www.jarstudio nyc.com and that's all my art stuff um like Adrian said the garageproductions.com uh you can see all of our film projects and the last the only other thing that I wanted to add was this book that I just released it's called October Shadows classic ghost stories for Halloween perfect for spooky season it's got 13 excellent ghost stories and I illustrated the whole thing on autumn leaves um so it's a super cool gift book for the season or even if you want to read like a story night leading up to Halloween uh October Shadows you can find it wherever you get your books. Yeah it's a gorgeous book that's awesome themselves it's it's a beautiful beautiful book that's fantastic oh man thank you both so much for hanging out with us what a blast I think next Halloween if I'm hoping to see you guys at a film festival before then but next Halloween I think it's we gotta get in person we got to do some kind of some kind of ghost hunting right oh my gosh we should totally do that do the travelog publish let's plan it too fun and we'll film the whole thing on an iPhone yes yeah let's do it I'm down annual Adrian Halloween special Adrian I love it I think it's so fun all right friends we'll talk to you soon and thank you so much bye you guys Halloween thank you for listening visit Clairevoyaging.com for merchandise or to access free resources to help you on your spiritual journey subscribe to our Patreon for more content or join for free to chat with us Clarevoyaging is a fiscally sponsored project of Fractured Atlas a 501c3 charity make a tax deductible donation to support our mission to foster understanding respect and curiosity for diverse spiritual belief systems. Claire Voyaging is a production of Wayfeather Media

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